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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14360 on: June 22, 2022, 04:01:12 pm »

Americans know how to walk and chew gum at the same time.
History repeats itself.
History repeats itself. Alan speaking for others (in this case, people in the middle, independents especially who don't 'care about Trump').
When such authors recognize their own writings are obviously incoherent, such authors speak for others and deflect.
I never asserted that?
He doesn't even know, hence the question mark. Sad.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14361 on: June 22, 2022, 04:01:18 pm »

Agree on the vile part.  Disagree on the human part.

The fact, as Alan asserts, that most Americans are more concerned with the current price of gasoline rather than democracy is, unfortunately, unsurprising.

There is a disturbingly large portion of the population in the U.S. that has either determined democracy to be a lower priority than the prized possession it once was or are utterly blind to the threat to democracy posed by Trump, Trumpism, and the new anything goes Retrumplican Party.

Sadly, this drift toward seizing power at any cost has been underway for decades inside the "conservative movement" and Republican Party — and no... there is no equivalence to be had which can rationalize it or wash away the stain.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14362 on: June 22, 2022, 04:09:19 pm »

There is a disturbingly large portion of the population in the U.S. that has either determined democracy to be a lower priority than the prized possession it once was or are utterly blind to the threat to democracy posed by Trump, Trumpism, and the new anything goes Retrumplican Party.

Sadly, this drift toward seizing power at any cost has been underway for decades inside the "conservative movement" and Republican Party — and no... there is no equivalence to be had which can rationalize it or wash away the stain.
The Democrats stole the election for Democrat Kennedy in Illinois in the 1960 presidential election.  The Democrats for Gore tried the same in 2000.  The Democrats tried to subvert Trump electors in 2016 to vote for Democrats instead of Trump who they swore they would do beforehand.

Where do you get the idea that Republicans are the only ones who try to change election outcomes?

Fortunately, our laws and Constitution have protected us for the most part.  But it would be nice if you were fair in your presentations of who is doing these things. 

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« Reply #14363 on: June 22, 2022, 04:26:26 pm »

But it would be nice if you were fair in your presentations of who is doing these things.
If I could funnel the inner TechTalk who has (smartly) told us he will ignore this foolishness:
"I’ve learned two things the hard way: You can’t fix stupid and you shouldn’t use up your patience to fix stupid". -Karen A. Baquiran
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14364 on: June 22, 2022, 05:06:27 pm »

Just to reiterate, I'm willing to discuss foolishness. I've just lost my patience and willingness to engage with insincerity, pretense, disingenuousness, and dishonesty.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14365 on: June 22, 2022, 05:10:49 pm »

Just to reiterate, I'm willing to discuss foolishness. I've just lost my patience and willingness to engage with insincerity, pretense, disingenuousness, and dishonesty.
I just find the guy a damn fool. But you might be spot on. I should consider that possibility more carefully.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14366 on: June 22, 2022, 05:18:21 pm »

Well, in addition to what I just stated...

I've given up trying to drill in places where all you will ever find after drilling thru one layer of rock is another layer of rock.
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« Reply #14367 on: June 22, 2022, 06:08:27 pm »

There are many people living from check to check.  Higher gas prices put a real crimp on their ability to pay for weekly expenses.  Additionally, high oil prices raise the cost of diesel fuel used in farming machinery, tractors, and trucks, ships, and rail to get food to market.  That raises the cost of food for people at home and in other parts of the world who really cannot afford to pay more to eat.  Starvation could follow.  Also, oil is used to heat homes for many throughout the world. Not everyone is in a position to afford these additional costs.  We should not be so cavalier about the cost of necessities just because some of us have been fortunate enough to afford these higher costs.  I'm sure that's not what you meant.  I know you're concerned about these people.  But these costs should be considered when looking at these things.

Blah blah blah, when is any of that NOT true. Are you advocating that the government step in and control prices in the marketplace? That's socialism, man, get a grip. I thought you were a free market guy.
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« Reply #14368 on: June 23, 2022, 09:37:47 am »

I don't and will not speak for most Americans.
The price of gas sucks, not a major issue for me. Look what Europeans paid for year's. We gotta got over this gas addiction.
The issues with our democracy is far more concerning to me. Alan, apparently not at all sadly.

We got an electric car aout 8 months ago that is used for 95% of our driving. We charge at home. I have calculated that our fuel costs are equivalent to gasoline at $0.72 per gallon. And in terms of climate change gas emissions, it is the equivalent of a gas car that gets 93 miles/gallon. And to frost the cake, it is a really terrific car!
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« Reply #14369 on: June 23, 2022, 09:47:24 am »

The Democrats stole the election for Democrat Kennedy in Illinois in the 1960 presidential election. 

False: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27550168

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14370 on: June 23, 2022, 10:16:49 am »

We got an electric car aout 8 months ago that is used for 95% of our driving. We charge at home. I have calculated that our fuel costs are equivalent to gasoline at $0.72 per gallon. And in terms of climate change gas emissions, it is the equivalent of a gas car that gets 93 miles/gallon. And to frost the cake, it is a really terrific car!
EV is next on the list. First, we're more than doubling our solar generation from 3.8kwz and hopefully, the panels will get installed in the next few months. Got 220 in the garage so we're all set for the EV. The trick is finding something big enough for road trips with the three dogs and hopefully, a range of 300 miles, more or less. The IONIQ 5 is looking good thus far.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14371 on: June 23, 2022, 10:46:56 am »

Blah blah blah, when is any of that NOT true. Are you advocating that the government step in and control prices in the marketplace? That's socialism, man, get a grip. I thought you were a free market guy.
No.  I'm advocating the government get out of the way and let industry produce more domestic oil to keep prices down.

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« Reply #14372 on: June 23, 2022, 10:56:53 am »

EV is next on the list. First, we're more than doubling our solar generation from 3.8kwz and hopefully, the panels will get installed in the next few months. Got 220 in the garage so we're all set for the EV. The trick is finding something big enough for road trips with the three dogs and hopefully, a range of 300 miles, more or less. The IONIQ 5 is looking good thus far.

I saw an interesting throw-away comment on an online car review site. Towards the end of the article the author mentioned speaking to several EV owners anecdotally about their experience. He said they all more or less said the same thing, that the one problem they expected, i.e., restriction because of limited range, failed to materialize. It is simply a non-issue, they quickly and simply adapted to it because the benefits are so great. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone everywhere all the time. I could easily live with a 300 mile range.

I just hope that the selection of EVs expands a bit. It would be nice to have small 2-seat urban commuter cars (even non-highway certified ones, 70 kph max, say) with limited range of 100-150 km at reasonable prices. Be nice to have that choice. I keep seeing neat vehicles available elsewhere in the world (e.g., https://microlino-car.com/en/microlino.)
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« Reply #14373 on: June 23, 2022, 10:59:17 am »

No.  I'm advocating the government get out of the way and let industry produce more domestic oil to keep prices down.

Yeah right, because governments are so anti Big Oil.
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« Reply #14374 on: June 23, 2022, 10:59:25 am »

False: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27550168


That's their opinion. Most savvy people know that Democratic Mayor Daly of Chicago stuffed the city's ballot boxes with Kennedy votes from the former living.  Those zombie votes helped Kennedy win Illinois and the presidential election. 

Nixon decided not to challenge the vote although his advisors urged him to do so.  He didn't want to create a major political disturbance in the country like Democrat Gore would do decades later in 2000 when he challenged the vote in Florida.

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« Reply #14375 on: June 23, 2022, 11:03:13 am »

Yeah right, because governments are so anti Big Oil.
Biden and the Democrats are.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14376 on: June 23, 2022, 11:11:27 am »

No.  I'm advocating the government get out of the way and let industry produce more domestic oil to keep prices down.
Still totally lost on the facts: oil is a global product, there is a war in Ukraine, the US isn't refining the oil fast enough and the solution above is as usual an assumption and a knee jerk. IOW, idiotic and simplistic.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14377 on: June 23, 2022, 11:12:54 am »

Yeah right, because governments are so anti Big Oil.
As you now see; if you throw raw meat at a troll, you get his regurgitation thrown back at us.
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« Reply #14378 on: June 23, 2022, 11:20:25 am »

As you now see; if you throw raw meat at a troll, you get his regurgitation thrown back at us.

You think I'd learn. I must be an optimist.

On the other topic, a friend bought a 2nd hand Chevy Volt over a year ago. He commutes to work, about 135 km per day return, which is why he went shopping for a PHEV. Loves it, best decision he ever made, and although his electricity bill went up by about $40 per month on average (re-charges every night at home), he saves much more than that by not buying gasoline, even at last year's prices. He lives in Northern Ontario where it's cold and there aren't many public charging stations yet. Btw, he's a car nut, heavily involved in rally, his other car is a Subaru WRX.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14379 on: June 23, 2022, 11:21:12 am »

I saw an interesting throw-away comment on an online car review site. Towards the end of the article the author mentioned speaking to several EV owners anecdotally about their experience. He said they all more or less said the same thing, that the one problem they expected, i.e., restriction because of limited range, failed to materialize. It is simply a non-issue, they quickly and simply adapted to it because the benefits are so great. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone everywhere all the time. I could easily live with a 300 mile range.

If you get Apple News or The Wall Street Journal, this article is an interesting read:
https://apple.news/AVKj3Qx50Qeyq0fGqcT4z8Q
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