US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Alan Klein]

I'd love to see your medical qualifications for that hyperbolic assertion.

A couple of years ago, in front of a dozen of my friends at my birthday party, I couldn't recall Bob Dylan's name.  I ain't senile.

Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator.  You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down.  He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term.  So you have to consider that Harris would become president.  Fair-minded voters should consider these issues. 

[chez]

Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator.  You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down.  He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term.  So you have to consider that Harris would become president.  Fair-minded voters should consider these issues.

With Trump's emergency hospital visit last year and his barely able to make it up a ramp and shaking hands as he almost spilt his water...and his obese status, do you really think he's in better physical condition than Biden? As far as their relative mental health...do you really think a sociopath is better equipped to lead a country over someone that might forget a name?

I'd rather have a leader that forgets a name once in a while than a leader that makes up names and lies with every sentence from his mouth.

[Manoli]

What the stock market "experts" think is that Biden and a Democrat controlled Congress will print more so-called "stimulus" money than Trump and the Republicans.  That will help fill the stock market bubble and keep markets inflated.  That's an illusion.  It's a fake "high".

Inflation is going to raise the price of goods eventually making the dollar less valuable.  People will have less "real" money to buy things lowering corporate profits as sales collapse.  Also, the Democrats want to raise business taxes and will increase regulation.  Both moves will lower corporate earnings forcing stock prices even lower.  Gold as a hedge might be a better investment.  But I've been wrong before. 

I thought the rising stock market was Trump’s main claim to ‘success’ (bollocks but its the propaganda he’s been touting). 

The reality is that it’s not inflation the central bankers fear, it’s deflation. Anyway, I posted the comments only as a pointer of where ‘joe public’ feel this election is heading. Wall Street got it spectacularly wrong in 2016, and it somewhat defies belief that with 3 weeks to go, opinions swing from ‘a blue wave’ taking control of both houses, to a somewhat tenuous belief that, notwithstanding his histrionics and lack of funding, Trump might swing it.

[LesPalenik]

Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator.  You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down.  He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term.  So you have to consider that Harris would become president.  Fair-minded voters should consider these issues.

2 years of Biden and 2 years of Harris would be still better than 4 years of Trump (or if gets senile then 2 years of Trump and 2 years of Pence).

[Alan Klein]

2 years of Biden and 2 years of Harris would be still better than 4 years of Trump (or if gets senile then 2 years of Trump and 2 years of Pence).

Better for who?  You're Canadian and I understand why you don't like him.  NAFTA and all that.  But from an American standpoint, USMCA is a better deal for us.   

[Alan Klein]

I thought the rising stock market was Trump’s main claim to ‘success’ (bollocks but its the propaganda he’s been touting). 

The reality is that it’s not inflation the central bankers fear, it’s deflation. Anyway, I posted the comments only as a pointer of where ‘joe public’ feel this election is heading. Wall Street got it spectacularly wrong in 2016, and it somewhat defies belief that with 3 weeks to go, opinions swing from ‘a blue wave’ taking control of both houses, to a somewhat tenuous belief that, notwithstanding his histrionics and lack of funding, Trump might swing it.

The economy and market has been going up a lot because of the Fed printing and Trump encouraging it.  I disagree with him, totally, on that.    It's fake.  It's creating more debt that will have to be paid back hurting business, jobs, the economy and our future.  Unfortunately, Biden and his liberal ideas are worse.  They will print more.  So we're damned whoever we choose regarding printing.  That's why we need a divided government with each party controlling some part of it.   Otherwise, the printing will totally destroy the economy and the dollar.

[Alan Klein]

What goes around comes around.  Seems like the Democrats have been not wearing their masks either. 

Biden campaign halts Kamala Harris' travel after two people in campaign's orbit test positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-travel-coronavirus/index.html

[Alan Klein]

President Obama gave two countries for his VP Joe Biden to handle foreign affairs with - China and Ukraine.  His son Hunter got million dollars jobs with both of them and the family got rich.  Of course we all remember his and his father Joe Biden's dealings in the Ukraine as well.  Of course, Biden's protector's the liberal anti-Trump press including Twitter and Facebook have buried this story.

Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/

[MattBurt]

What goes around comes around.  Seems like the Democrats have been not wearing their masks either. 

Biden campaign halts Kamala Harris' travel after two people in campaign's orbit test positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-travel-coronavirus/index.html

Did you read the article?

The two people were with Harris on a flight on October 8, the day after her debate with Vice President Mike Pence.
"During the flight, Senator Harris wore an N95 mask, as did both individuals. She was not within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes with either of them," O'Malley Dillon said

[Alan Klein]

Did you read the article?

Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. 

[Craig Lamson]

Did you read the article?

Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask.  She's a hypocrite. 

[Alan Klein]

Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask.  She's a hypocrite. 

They all are.    But who can blame them.  Yesterday, my wife dropped me off at the ice cream parlor and left to go to the post office.  I immediately realized I forgot my mask in the car.  But I went ahead, got my ice cream anyway standing 6 feet away from the sales window.  Then sat down to eat my hot fudge Sunday by myself while waiting for my wife to return to pick me up.  Yum. 

[MattBurt]

Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask.  She's a hypocrite.

This clip? She sure looks masked to me.
Although I agree the elevator looks too crowded for current safety protocols. That's not good but it's nothing compared to the Trump family refusing masks at the debate, for example.
Hopefully she will get through this close call ok and update her protocol to be more careful and be a better example.

[Craig Lamson]

This clip? She sure looks masked to me.
Although I agree the elevator looks too crowded for current safety protocols. That's not good but it's nothing compared to the Trump family refusing masks at the debate, for example.
Hopefully she will get through this close call ok and update her protocol to be more careful.

I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.   

[MattBurt]

I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.   

Well there's the exchange in the link I posted. Makes a popular talking point but it also appears to be false.

[John Camp]

President Obama gave two countries for his VP Joe Biden to handle foreign affairs with - China and Ukraine.  His son Hunter got million dollars jobs with both of them and the family got rich.  Of course we all remember his and his father Joe Biden's dealings in the Ukraine as well.  Of course, Biden's protector's the liberal anti-Trump press including Twitter and Facebook have buried this story.

Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/

This is like a Trump comedy routine -- the "e-mails" came from a laptop computer that "Hunter Biden" dropped off at a repair shop and then, oddly, never returned to pick up. When the shop owner got curious and looked into it, he found the "e-mails" and gave them to...Steve Bannon. Bwahahahaha. No, really, you're killing me.

[LesPalenik]

Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. 

Quite correct. Trump's been getting out all the time and infecting his staff and family with the virus, and through his rallies he has caused indirect infection of hundreds of his supporters, whereas Biden complies with the advice from medical experts and avoids non-essential encounters. He has logged also many more hours of wearing a mask than Trump.

[Alan Goldhammer]

The economy and market has been going up a lot because of the Fed printing and Trump encouraging it.  I disagree with him, totally, on that.    It's fake.  It's creating more debt that will have to be paid back hurting business, jobs, the economy and our future.

The stock market is gong up because there is a lot of money that investors have to put there.  Bonds are a dead end right not in terms of interest rates so the only play is equities.  Before you bitch about debt, look at how much debt the tax cut bill created even though Mnuchin said it would pay for itself.  I've never seen any Republican tax cut proposal generate the amount of revenue they claimed.  Even St. Ronald Reagan had to support a tax increase after the tax cut he championed did provide the supply side boost they claimed it would.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.   

Trust but verify should be your motto; it is mine.

[Robert Roaldi]

Better for who?  You're Canadian and I understand why you don't like him.  NAFTA and all that.  But from an American standpoint, USMCA is a better deal for us.   

Every analysis I've ever read, except for yours, has stated that the so-called re-negotiation of NAFTA was an utter waste of time and money, nothing substantial was changed, except that Trump sent out a bunch of tweets that, apparently, some people believed.

A few weeks ago now, out of the blue, Trump threatened to raise aluminum tariffs on Canada, then a few days later called it off. Nothing happened in between that anyone could see. Were it me, I'd check the market trades of him and his buddies to see if they took advantage of any movements that happened. Similarly I'd check the trades that occurred the day after he dumped on Amazon. I think it's emerging quite clearly that he's simply an old-fashioned con man crook and that he's never been anything else. He can't understand the ins and outs of trade policy anymore that he can understand vaccines. One thing that is spectacularly clear is that he doesn't give a damn about the USA and especially its citizens.