US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[chez]

Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. 

Could you imagine how much of a whitewash this compaign would have been if Biden didn't just sit back in the summer and watch Trump self destruct. Biden has played his cards very nicely as Trump tried to lie his way through the health and economic mess he made.

[JoeKitchen]

This is like a Trump comedy routine -- the "e-mails" came from a laptop computer that "Hunter Biden" dropped off at a repair shop and then, oddly, never returned to pick up. When the shop owner got curious and looked into it, he found the "e-mails" and gave them to...Steve Bannon. Bwahahahaha. No, really, you're killing me.

Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet.  I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic. 

If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired.  This is serious.  I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity.  There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice. 

But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies.  Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories. 

Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights.  However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”  In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms.  FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude. 

If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture. 

[Alan Klein]

Quite correct. Trump's been getting out all the time and infecting his staff and family with the virus, and through his rallies he has caused indirect infection of hundreds of his supporters, whereas Biden complies with the advice from medical experts and avoids non-essential encounters. He has logged also many more hours of wearing a mask than Trump.

Biden's been acting like a wimp hiding in his basement, not as a leader. Teaching people to be fearful is not what we need a president who leads the most powerful nation in the world.   

[Alan Klein]

The stock market is gong up because there is a lot of money that investors have to put there.  Bonds are a dead end right not in terms of interest rates so the only play is equities.  Before you bitch about debt, look at how much debt the tax cut bill created even though Mnuchin said it would pay for itself.  I've never seen any Republican tax cut proposal generate the amount of revenue they claimed.  Even St. Ronald Reagan had to support a tax increase after the tax cut he championed did provide the supply side boost they claimed it would.

The money's there because the Fed is printing it and the government is spending it, some of it as direct support of markets, bonds, corporations, etc.  Trump is just as guilty of being irresponsible.  I said that in my post.  It's just that Biden will be worse. 

[Alan Klein]

Every analysis I've ever read, except for yours, has stated that the so-called re-negotiation of NAFTA was an utter waste of time and money, nothing substantial was changed, except that Trump sent out a bunch of tweets that, apparently, some people believed.

A few weeks ago now, out of the blue, Trump threatened to raise aluminum tariffs on Canada, then a few days later called it off. Nothing happened in between that anyone could see. Were it me, I'd check the market trades of him and his buddies to see if they took advantage of any movements that happened. Similarly I'd check the trades that occurred the day after he dumped on Amazon. I think it's emerging quite clearly that he's simply an old-fashioned con man crook and that he's never been anything else. He can't understand the ins and outs of trade policy anymore that he can understand vaccines. One thing that is spectacularly clear is that he doesn't give a damn about the USA and especially its citizens.

Yet you want me believe there wasn't a con with Vice President Biden and his son regarding the Ukraine and China millions his family got.  Or how Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her ex-president husband Bill made millions selling access. Or how Obama got his original house in Chicago for a song below market value? How's this?  They're all crooks!! Welcome to American politics.

[Alan Klein]

Could you imagine how much of a whitewash this compaign would have been if Biden didn't just sit back in the summer and watch Trump self destruct. Biden has played his cards very nicely as Trump tried to lie his way through the health and economic mess he made.

Ex-VP Biden doesn't have a job. He's got nothing to do except nap.  President Trump has to run the country as well as campaign.  His stamina is amazing.  I get tired just sitting at the computer.

[kers]

Biden's been acting like a wimp hiding in his basement, not as a leader. Teaching people to be fearful is not what we need a president who leads the most powerful nation in the world.   

Here your 'immune' leader!

[Alan Klein]

Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet.  I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic. 

If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired.  This is serious.  I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity.  There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice. 

But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies.  Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories. 

Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights.  However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”  In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms.  FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude. 

If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture. 

Of course, if the Democrats win, they'll protect  FB and Twitter as long as they keep supporting the Democratic position.  And if they pack the court, even the supremes will look the other way and allow them to do what they want under freedom of speech.  It's like the CCP being happy with Chinese news as  long as only say nice things about them.

[Craig Lamson]

Well there's the exchange in the link I posted. Makes a popular talking point but it also appears to be false.

I have no idea if thats the moment in time that was referenced in the news report I saw.

[Craig Lamson]

Trust but verify should be your motto; it is mine.

I simply reported what I heard, kind of like the Atlantic.

[Craig Lamson]

Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet.  I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic. 

If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired.  This is serious.  I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity.  There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice. 

But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies.  Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories. 

Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights.  However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.”  In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms.  FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude. 

If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture.

It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.

In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story,  it proves its not true.

They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them. 

I think Biden has real problems now. 

[Alan Klein]

It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.

In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story,  it proves its not true.

They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them. 

I think Biden has real problems now. 

Nothing's going to come out from the FBI before the election.  Even if they or the DOJ had something, there's a policy that no case charges or information about an investigation can be released three months before the election to prevent influencing the election.  Of course, if he wins, it will all be buried by his administration.  If he loses, no one will care.

[Alan Klein]

The plot thickens.

The New York Post's dubious Hunter Biden article was shared 300,000 times on Facebook even after the company said it limited its reach
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-new-york-post-hunter-biden-shared-thousands-after-restrictions-2020-10?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral

[faberryman]

It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.

In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story,  it proves its not true.

They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them. 

I think Biden has real problems now.

The only people who care about this are Trump voters, so I'm not sure how this is supposed to help him.

[Craig Lamson]

The only people who care are Trump voters, so I'm not sure how this is supposed to help Trump.

Well I guess that remains to be seen.  But it sure seems all the commie libs at Twitter and Facebook care a lot.

[chez]

Ex-VP Biden doesn't have a job. He's got nothing to do except nap.  President Trump has to run the country as well as campaign.  His stamina is amazing.  I get tired just sitting at the computer.

So is that what you call it...running the country. I call it running the country into the ground. Pendemic out of control...economy out of control...enemies of what we're friends and friends of what we're once enemies. Great job Chetos.

[Alan Klein]

So is that what you call it...running the country. I call it running the country into the ground. Pendemic out of control...economy out of control...enemies of what we're friends and friends of what we're once enemies. Great job Chetos.

I don't like being called a cheto.

[chez]

I don't like being called a cheto.

No one called you a Chetos.

[James Clark]

It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.

In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story,  it proves its not true.

They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them. 

I think Biden has real problems now.

Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this.  He's totally doomed.

[MattBurt]

Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this.  He's totally doomed.

Just got my ballot in the mail today and I can assure you I'm not going to write in Hunter Biden.