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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Manoli on June 24, 2020, 02:39:47 am
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The Economist is publishing its first-ever statistical forecast of an American presidential election. Developed with the assistance of Andrew Gelman and Merlin Heidemanns, political scientists at Columbia University, our model calculates Joe Biden’s and Donald Trump’s probabilities of winning each individual state and the election overall. Its projections will be updated every day at
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president.
Article detailing the methodology
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president/how-this-works
We are publishing the source code (https://github.com/TheEconomist/us-potus-model) for what we believe to be the most innovative section of the model. All readers are welcome to download it, explore how it works, tweak its parameters and run it themselves. (requires wading wading through a script in the R and Stan programming languages).
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This topic is started pursuant to:
< Free-flowing political discussions may take place elsewhere and may cover any, or indeed all, topics >
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134505.msg1176190#msg1176190
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All models are relatively static. In a steady environment, they can be quite accurate.
However, a lot of things could happen between now and November, and any of these things could drastically change the final outcome.
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All models are relatively static. In a steady environment, they can be quite accurate.
However, a lot of things could happen between now and November, and any of these things could drastically change the final outcome
" Our model is updated every day and combines state and national polls with economic indicators to predict a range of outcomes ..."
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president.
Please read < How The Economist presidential forecast works > before posting.
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president/how-this-works
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... Our model is updated every day...
Please read the links attentively prior to posting.
So?
It only means that we shouldn't pay attention to today's polls, as tomorrow it will be different. And even one day before the election, it may or may not be any wiser. Remember the 98% chance of Hillary winning, the night before the election?
P.S. Not a good idea to start a thread with condescension.
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Why would we want to follow one poll when there are dozens to choose from? For example, Real Clear Politics summarizes and averages them out. That's a better, less prejudiced source for polls than the one you favor. Also, The Economist is a left-leaning British outlet who doesn't like Trump. You ought to follow more neutral and independent polling sources.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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Why would we want to follow one poll when there are dozens to choose from? For example, Real Clear Politics summarizes and averages them out. That's a better, less prejudiced source for polls than the one you favor. Also, The Economist is a left-leaning British outlet who doesn't like Trump. You ought to follow more neutral and independent polling sources.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
It's not a poll. It uses a bunch of different polls along with the economic data to predict the outcomes. Did you read the article?
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Noe:
This topic is started pursuant to:
< Free-flowing political discussions may take place elsewhere and may cover any, or indeed all, topics >
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Is this caveat really necessary? If you had bothered to read the relevant post at the appropriate time it should have been crystal clear this would be fine, or so I'm pointedly informed ;)
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Is this caveat really necessary? If you had bothered to read the relevant post at the appropriate time it should have been crystal clear this would be fine, or so I'm pointedly informed ;)
It's a justification, not a caveat. But you're quite right.
Jeremy
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It's not a poll. It uses a bunch of different polls along with the economic data to predict the outcomes. Did you read the article?
Regardless of their technique, it's a single algorithm from a left leaning British organization. What is their track record of predictions? After all this is a new algorithm. Why should we believe their results?
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It's a justification, not a caveat. But you're quite right.
Jeremy
No, it's a caveat:
Definition: (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/caveat)
A warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations.. This is, in fact, a proviso of specific conditions and/or limitations related to the established rules of posting here.
It needs no justification, as you believe you had previously made clear.
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No, it's a caveat:
Definition: (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/caveat)
A warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations.. This is, in fact, a proviso of specific conditions and/or limitations related to the established rules of posting here.
It needs no justification, as you believe you had previously made clear.
Without getting into too much detail, you're wrong. My post contained warnings. That part of Manoli's post which you quoted contained none; it merely referenced mine. I agree that this thread needs no justification, and Manoli none for starting it; but that doesn't alter the nature of his words, which constituted a justification.
I have a feeling that at some point I am going to have to explain what argumentum ad hominem means, since I get a strong indication that people are confusing its use with being insulting; but I'll leave that for another day.
Jeremy
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Some excellent examples here:
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/ad-hominem-examples.html
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Some excellent examples here...
Excellent!? Rather like The Leftist Idiot’s Guide to Ad Hominem. Leftist idiots managed to redefine yet another classical term to be about feelings and emotions. ;D ;D ;D
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Excellent!? Rather like The Leftist Idiot’s Guide to Ad Hominem. Leftist idiots managed to redefine yet another classical term to be about feelings and emotions. ;D ;D ;D
Was this meant as an observation or an example of an Ad Hominem attack? If the latter, it's pretty much perfect!
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Hey Manoli - my apologies for derailing your thread right off the bat :(
Let's get back to it.
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Regardless of their technique, it's a single algorithm from a left leaning British organization. What is their track record of predictions? After all this is a new algorithm. Why should we believe their results?
History shows you don't believe anything unless it lines up with your views. Believe in whatever floats your boat. Looking at any angle...Trump is not sitting pretty right now.
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History shows you don't believe anything unless it lines up with your views. Believe in whatever floats your boat. Looking at any angle...Trump is not sitting pretty right now.
Poll says Hillary up big just days before the 2016 election. What are you gonna believe?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-major-lead-trump-final-debate-poll-article-1.2841984
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Poll says Hillary up big just days before the 2016 election. What are you gonna believe?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/clinton-major-lead-trump-final-debate-poll-article-1.2841984
Yep...and lightening can strike twice in the same place.
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Yep...and lightening can strike twice in the same place.
or when it comes to Democrats
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I sort of enjoyed the way that this went from a serious and fairly compelling original post, and then drove straight into the ditch.
The Economist doesn't consider itself to be left-leaning; it explicitly considers itself to be "radically centrist." I've been reading it for years, and think that's fairly accurate. As for not liking Trump, well, who does, really? The guy is undoubtedly the biggest asshole ever to inhabit the American presidency, which makes him high up in the standings for biggest asshole in the universe. But because the obsequious, ass-kissing Republican Senate follows him around like a bunch of frightened puppy dogs doesn't mean they like him, they're simply afraid of being kicked.
If the Economist thought one ranking was enough, then they obviously wouldn't have made provisions to alter this day-any-day through the campaign. I just wished they'd waited until, say, October to do this, because it's going to get tedious.
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I sort of enjoyed the way that this went from a serious and fairly compelling original post, and then drove straight into the ditch.
It's all my fault. :(
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..l The Economist doesn't consider itself to be left-leaning; it explicitly considers itself to be "radically centrist." I've been reading it for years...
That’s the problem. I’ve been reading it for years too. But it isn’t the same magazine we’ve been reading years ago. The new generation of journalists are taking over, the Millennials, and they are a radically brainwashed, radically left, radically intellectually lazy generation, with radically fragile feelings.
As for Trump and the Republican support for him, in spite of all his weaknesses, he is the only one with enough guts to stand between us and communism.
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Slobodan, I see in another thread that you're referring to Barack Hussein Obama II as Hussien. In future will you be referring to Donald Trump as John?
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Slobodan, I see in another thread that you're referring to Barack Hussein Obama II as Hussien. In future will you be referring to Donald Trump as John?
I don't remember that I ever referred to him just as "Hussein," but most likely using his full name Barack Hussein Obama.
Then again, nomen est omen. If "John" would indicate something special, I would probably use it too.
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I don't remember that I ever referred to him just as "Hussein," but most likely using his full name Barack Hussein Obama.
Then again, nomen est omen. If "John" would indicate something special, I would probably use it too.
And what does Obama's middle name say about his policies?
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I don't remember that I ever referred to him just as "Hussein," but most likely using his full name Barack Hussein Obama.
Then again, nomen est omen. If "John" would indicate something special, I would probably use it too.
Looking forward to hearing something special about *President Tweety.
*You'll note, no thinly disguised prejudices from me regarding Donald Trump.
;D
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And what does Obama's middle name say about his policies?
Explains his pro-Muslim policies, in addition to the facts that his father was a Muslim, half-brother, his relatives, he was raised in a Muslim religious school.
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Explains his pro-Muslim policies, in addition to the facts that his father was a Muslim, half-brother, his relatives, he was raised in a Muslim religious school.
Well, he went to an Indonesian public school until he was 10 if that's what you mean. But hey, I'm not going to try to change your mind about Muslims, all 1.25 billion of them.
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Explains his pro-Muslim policies, ...
It does nothing of the kind.
Are you back on caffeine again? I did warn you. :)
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Explains his pro-Muslim policies, in addition to the facts that his father was a Muslim, half-brother, his relatives, he was raised in a Muslim religious school.
Bin-Laden found US policy under Obama to be deadly. More recently, long standing US Kurdish allies found US policy under the current administration to be deadly as well.
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Bin-Laden found US policy under Obama to be deadly. More recently, long standing US Kurdish allies found US policy under the current administration to be deadly as well.
Your nationality would add context to your comment. What is it?
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Your nationality would add context to your comment.
Good point. Actually, it would be useful if all forum participants would fill out the Location field in their respective user profiles. Because, at least to some extent, "Where you stand depends on where you sit. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/975497?seq=1)"
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Your nationality would add context to your comment.
How would that add "context"? The comment would remain the same regardless.
Below are a couple of Voice of America (The US Government's international broadcasting service) news stories from late last year...
https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/syria-kurds-urge-us-assume-moral-obligations-turkey-attacks (https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/syria-kurds-urge-us-assume-moral-obligations-turkey-attacks)
https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/children-among-10-kurdish-civilians-killed-shelling-turkish-controlled-area-syria (https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/children-among-10-kurdish-civilians-killed-shelling-turkish-controlled-area-syria)
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Good point. Actually, it would be useful all forum participants would fill out the Location field in their respective user profiles. Because, at least to some extent, "Where you stand depends on where you sit. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/975497?seq=1)"
It's been my experience that people in different places, of different backgrounds, religions, professions, ethnicities, genders, etc. can and do have wildly different points of view. Has your experience been different from mine in this regard?
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It's been my experience that people in different places, of different backgrounds, religions, professions, ethnicities, genders, etc. can and do have wildly different points of view. Has your experience been different from mine in this regard?
Well then, you must be a Kurd.
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Well then, you must be a Kurd.
You must be someone that jumps to conclusions with the greatest of ease. With that jumping ability, are you also a professional acrobat?
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You must be someone that jumps to conclusions with the greatest of ease. With that jumping ability, are you also a professional acrobat?
Well, you didn't deny you were a Kurd so I understand your criticism of America. And no I'm not an acrobat.
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Well, you didn't deny you were a Kurd so I understand your criticism of America. And no I'm not an acrobat.
I didn't criticize America. I pointed to a change in US policy that led to deaths for a long standing battlefield ally.
Are you sure that you're not an acrobat? Your ability for logical leaps is phenomenal!
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I didn't criticize America. I pointed to a change in US policy that led to deaths for a long standing battlefield ally.
Are you sure that you're not an acrobat? You ability for logical leaps is phenomenal!
There would have been a lot more deaths if America took a stand against Turkey, another ally of ours, one that is part of NATO. The Kurds are not. Also, they were able to make a deal with Turkey and Syria, and things are quiet there again without (edit) a major war that America would have been brought into. If you were an American, you'd appreciate more that we weren't dragged into another war with no end.
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There would have been a lot more deaths if America took a stand against Turkey, another ally of ours, one that is part of NATO. The Kurds are not. Also, they were able to make a deal with Turkey and Syria, and things are quiet there again without (edit) a major war that America would have been brought into. If you were an American, you'd appreciate more that we weren't dragged into another war with no end.
So someone can't have a differing point of view from yours, regarding the change in policy towards Kurdish allies, and be an American? That will surprise a lot of Republicans that condemned the policy! https://www.axios.com/turkey-syria-kurds-republicans-lindsey-graham-trump.html (https://www.axios.com/turkey-syria-kurds-republicans-lindsey-graham-trump-51a481a4-a31c-47ce-b0d2-c9c7bf741760.html) (Statements from Republican officials on Syria policy)
It goes even deeper... https://www.axios.com/syria-troop-withdrawal-trump-allies-kurds.html (https://www.axios.com/syria-troop-withdrawal-trump-allies-kurds-d0686854-ff4b-468e-b012-8effbae49609.html) (Statements from additional Republican officials on Syria policy)
And deeper... https://www.axios.com/republican-reaction-trump-syria-withdrawal-turkey.html (https://www.axios.com/republican-reaction-trump-syria-withdrawal-turkey-3fe85049-0397-40ed-a81e-58ca0f8cb4eb.html) (Statements from even more Republican officials on Syria policy)
Does that now make me a Republican from your point of view?
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Also, they were able to make a deal with Turkey and Syria, and things are quiet there again
Things are quiet there except for renewed protests followed with bombing by Russian jets on a number of villages in northwest Syria in the past couple of weeks. Then last week, new White House sanctions against Assad's support and Syria's dire economic situation.
But overall, yeah, it is better. Unless of course, you have a Russian bomb coming at you.
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Things are quiet there except for renewed protests followed with bombing by Russian jets on a number of villages in northwest Syria in the past couple of weeks. Then last week, new White House sanctions against Assad's support and Syria's dire economic situation.
But overall, yeah, it is better. Unless of course, you have a Russian bomb coming at you.
Not America's problem. We shouldn't be involved. Can you imagine if we had troops there trying to sort out that mess among the Turks, Russians, Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis, Iranians, and all the other terrorist players jockeying for power, territory and control of oil?
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Not America's problem. We shouldn't be involved. Can you imagine if we had troops there trying to sort out that mess among the Turks, Russians, Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis, Iranians, and all the other terrorist players jockeying for power, territory and control of oil?
Yeh, America never went onto foreign soil to control oil.
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So someone can't have a differing point of view from yours, regarding the change in policy towards Kurdish allies, and be an American? That will surprise a lot of Republicans that condemned the policy!
Indeed.
But anyway only history will judge who is pro or anti American.
My view is that the hard core Trump supporters will go down as being profoundly anti-american.
I don’t see how you can disagree deeply with both Obama and Bolton and be pro-American.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Not America's problem. We shouldn't be involved. Can you imagine if we had troops there trying to sort out that mess among the Turks, Russians, Syrians, Kurds, Iraqis, Iranians, and all the other terrorist players jockeying for power, territory and control of oil?
I don't need to imagine because US forces never left Syria. They're there today in Eastern Syria trying to avoid getting into conflicts with Russian and other forces in the area.
Voice of America News June 03, 2020: "Each day there are conversations between leaders here in the coalition and Russian leaders in Syria, where we share and exchange information on where our patrols will go," Caggins said, adding that there have been encounters between the two sides at times.
"Those encounters are normally resolved in a professional manner. And what we've seen in recent days was the United States escorting a Russian patrol out of an area that was not de-conflicted in eastern Syria," he told VOA.
The American official added that U.S.-led coalition "doesn't seek to have any escalations" with the Russians. "We certainly call on the Russians to not do anything to have an escalation or interfere with the SDF mission to defeat Daesh," he said, using an Arabic acronym for IS. https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/russia-eyes-military-expansion-northeast-syria (https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/russia-eyes-military-expansion-northeast-syria)
The US is also currently protecting Syrian oil fields. These are frequent hotbeds of activity.
NPR March 26, 2020: It's early morning in northeast Syria. It's sunny and chilly. Capt. Alex Quataert briefs his soldiers on the day's patrol.
"In the last 48 hours we've had two attacks on critical petroleum infrastructure," he says. The convoy will visit one of those sites today. "So we're going to have a show of presence there to deter any further attacks on these forces," Quataert says.
The mission for U.S. forces in Syria is now more complex — and possibly more dangerous. Though U.S. forces are doing a variety of things in Syria, 29-year-old Quataert says, "our primary mission is to secure the oil infrastructure for use of our partner force."
These soldiers had to quickly move east last fall when Turkish troops invaded cutting U.S. supply lines and threatening U.S. forces. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821379862/u-s-forces-in-syria-tackle-a-more-complex-and-possibly-dangerous-mission (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821379862/u-s-forces-in-syria-tackle-a-more-complex-and-possibly-dangerous-mission)
The withdrawal of US troops in Syria, last October, was only from one region of Syria. The "Buffer Zone" along the Turkish / Syrian border.
Quoting from NPR article above again: That all happened because President Trump essentially gave the green light for Turkey to invade, then tweeted that all U.S. troops would be leaving Syria. Soldiers here and in neighboring Iraq refer to that order as simply, "the Tweet."
But Trump reversed himself because military officials convinced him. The White House allowed hundreds of U.S. troops to stay and secure the oil fields for Kurdish forces.
U.S. forces in Syria work with a group of Kurdish and Arab fighters, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, the SDF.
"They are the partner force that primarily defeated the physical caliphate — the actual ISIS-controlled area," says Quataert, a small, compact and serious West Point graduate from Rochester, N.Y. He says ISIS is not defeated yet.
You see... What the US did last October was simply remove the US Special Forces teams, that were embedded with our SDF (Kurdish) allies, away from those forces along the Turkish border, leaving them to be killed or trying to escape. The only thing that had prevented Turkey from attacking the Kurds, before then, were those embedded US Special Forces. Turkey did not want a conflict with US soldiers and consequently the US. You might understand now why so many Republicans (and Democrats) were harshly critical of that policy.
The Kurds have a fascinating, and also sad, history that dates back centuries. You should read up on it. They've basically been screwed over for hundreds of years by everybody. In the last hundred years, at the end of World War I when the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) was defeated along with their German allies by US, French, and British forces, The Kurds were promised that Kurdistan (their home region) would be recognized as an independent nation. However, Turkey declared that they would keep fighting if the Kurds were given recognition as a nation; and they did keep fighting. So, the US, British, and French then renegotiated the armistice treaty (1923) and divided up the Middle East with new boundaries which created new nations, except for Kurdistan. Kurdistan was left partly in Turkey, partly in Syria, partly in Iraq, and partly in Iran. This left them as a minority in all of those countries instead of being a majority in their own country. They are a people with their own language, culture, history, territory; but no country.
The Turks have been trying to destroy the Kurds since the Armenian genocide shortly before WWI. In Turkey, until 1991, the use of the Kurdish language was illegal as was Kurdish music, clothing, or any other Kurdish cultural inheritance. They were not even allowed to be called Kurds, they were called Mountain Turks. The words Kurds, Kurdistan, or Kurdish were officially banned by the Turkish government. Education in Kurdish is now permitted but only in private institutions. From 1984 to 1999, the Turkish military destroyed houses and villages in the Turkish portion of Kurdistan. An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped off the map.
That's it. I'm done. I just wanted to give a little history in the hope that it might nudge some further interest of a few people to learn more.
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things are quiet there again
That will be welcome news to these folks
https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000007036700/syria-idlib-displaced.html
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... I don’t see how you can disagree deeply with both Obama and Bolton and be pro-American.
Extremely easy.
P.S. Bernard, your Japanese perspective is sorely needed in the Olympus SOLD thread. Do something useful there, instead of wasting your anti-Trump energy here ;)
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I don't need to imagine because US forces never left Syria. They're there today in Eastern Syria trying to avoid getting into conflicts with Russian and other forces in the area.
Voice of America News June 03, 2020: "Each day there are conversations between leaders here in the coalition and Russian leaders in Syria, where we share and exchange information on where our patrols will go," Caggins said, adding that there have been encounters between the two sides at times.
"Those encounters are normally resolved in a professional manner. And what we've seen in recent days was the United States escorting a Russian patrol out of an area that was not de-conflicted in eastern Syria," he told VOA.
The American official added that U.S.-led coalition "doesn't seek to have any escalations" with the Russians. "We certainly call on the Russians to not do anything to have an escalation or interfere with the SDF mission to defeat Daesh," he said, using an Arabic acronym for IS. https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/russia-eyes-military-expansion-northeast-syria (https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/russia-eyes-military-expansion-northeast-syria)
The US is also currently protecting Syrian oil fields. These are frequent hotbeds of activity.
NPR March 26, 2020: It's early morning in northeast Syria. It's sunny and chilly. Capt. Alex Quataert briefs his soldiers on the day's patrol.
"In the last 48 hours we've had two attacks on critical petroleum infrastructure," he says. The convoy will visit one of those sites today. "So we're going to have a show of presence there to deter any further attacks on these forces," Quataert says.
The mission for U.S. forces in Syria is now more complex — and possibly more dangerous. Though U.S. forces are doing a variety of things in Syria, 29-year-old Quataert says, "our primary mission is to secure the oil infrastructure for use of our partner force."
These soldiers had to quickly move east last fall when Turkish troops invaded cutting U.S. supply lines and threatening U.S. forces. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821379862/u-s-forces-in-syria-tackle-a-more-complex-and-possibly-dangerous-mission (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/821379862/u-s-forces-in-syria-tackle-a-more-complex-and-possibly-dangerous-mission)
The withdrawal of US troops in Syria, last October, was only from one region of Syria. The "Buffer Zone" along the Turkish / Syrian border.
Quoting from NPR article above again: That all happened because President Trump essentially gave the green light for Turkey to invade, then tweeted that all U.S. troops would be leaving Syria. Soldiers here and in neighboring Iraq refer to that order as simply, "the Tweet."
But Trump reversed himself because military officials convinced him. The White House allowed hundreds of U.S. troops to stay and secure the oil fields for Kurdish forces.
U.S. forces in Syria work with a group of Kurdish and Arab fighters, known as the Syrian Democratic Forces, the SDF.
"They are the partner force that primarily defeated the physical caliphate — the actual ISIS-controlled area," says Quataert, a small, compact and serious West Point graduate from Rochester, N.Y. He says ISIS is not defeated yet.
You see... What the US did last October was simply remove the US Special Forces teams, that were embedded with our SDF (Kurdish) allies, away from those forces along the Turkish border, leaving them to be killed or trying to escape. The only thing that had prevented Turkey from attacking the Kurds, before then, were those embedded US Special Forces. Turkey did not want a conflict with US soldiers and consequently the US. You might understand now why so many Republicans (and Democrats) were harshly critical of that policy.
The Kurds have a fascinating, and also sad, history that dates back centuries. You should read up on it. They've basically been screwed over for hundreds of years by everybody. In the last hundred years, at the end of World War I when the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) was defeated along with their German allies by US, French, and British forces, The Kurds were promised that Kurdistan (their home region) would be recognized as an independent nation. However, Turkey declared that they would keep fighting if the Kurds were given recognition as a nation; and they did keep fighting. So, the US, British, and French then renegotiated the armistice treaty (1923) and divided up the Middle East with new boundaries which created new nations, except for Kurdistan. Kurdistan was left partly in Turkey, partly in Syria, partly in Iraq, and partly in Iran. This left them as a minority in all of those countries instead of being a majority in their own country. They are a people with their own language, culture, history, territory; but no country.
The Turks have been trying to destroy the Kurds since the Armenian genocide shortly before WWI. In Turkey, until 1991, the use of the Kurdish language was illegal as was Kurdish music, clothing, or any other Kurdish cultural inheritance. They were not even allowed to be called Kurds, they were called Mountain Turks. The words Kurds, Kurdistan, or Kurdish were officially banned by the Turkish government. Education in Kurdish is now permitted but only in private institutions. From 1984 to 1999, the Turkish military destroyed houses and villages in the Turkish portion of Kurdistan. An estimated 3,000 Kurdish villages in Turkey were virtually wiped off the map.
That's it. I'm done. I just wanted to give a little history in the hope that it might nudge some further interest of a few people to learn more.
This was all hashed out before you came to the party. Check earlier threads about this subject. The main point I made then and make again is that it is not in America's interest to get involved securing a homeland for the Kurds in opposition to our NATO ally Turkey. We've spent enough treasure and lost enough blood in the Middle East trying to sort out the craziness there that will never be resolved regardless what we do. While it would be nice for the Kurds to have a homeland, it doesn't become America's responsibility. The Kurd history was something European and other countries caused and who didn't do anything to correct for a hundred years.
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Regardless of their technique, it's a single algorithm from a left leaning British organization. What is their track record of predictions? After all this is a new algorithm. Why should we believe their results?
The Economist is not "left-leaning." It's perhaps the only news outlet I have seen that is regularly judged "dead center" by the groups that rate these things (e.g., Quora, AllSides, MediaBiasFactCheck). Of course, to some people "left-bias" means "to the left of me."
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I don't remember that I ever referred to him just as "Hussein," but most likely using his full name Barack Hussein Obama.
Then again, nomen est omen. If "John" would indicate something special, I would probably use it too.
Well, "john" is a euphemism for toilet.
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Well, "john" is a euphemism for toilet.
It also means a prostitute's client.
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The Economist is not "left-leaning." It's perhaps the only news outlet I have seen that is regularly judged "dead center" by the groups that rate these things (e.g., Quora, AllSides, MediaBiasFactCheck). Of course, to some people "left-bias" means "to the left of me."
Their bias seems to depend on what subject they're writing about. They seem pretty left-liberal to me. In any case, regardless which way they lean, their new polling algorithm is, well, new. No proven track record. Trusting their predictions alone doesn't seem smart.
Analysis / Bias
"In review, The Economist takes an editorial stance of classical and economic liberalism that supports free trade, globalization, open immigration, and social liberalism. There is minimal use of loaded language in both headlines and articles such as this: America’s new attitude towards China is changing the countries’ relationship. In fact, most articles are well written with very low emotional bias. Economically, The Economist leans right, but they also support such initiatives as a carbon tax and environmental protectionism, which are not right wing positions. Editorially, The Economist endorses both Republicans and Democrats in the United States. For example, the have endorsed Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2016, while endorsing Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush in earlier elections. In the UK they most recently endorsed the Liberal Democrats, which hold left leaning libertarian positions. One criticism of The Economist is that a majority of their articles are penned anonymously, which they explain is to maintain a continuity of writing. They do however, provide a media directory where you can view who is involved in writing and editing."
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-economist/
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Explains his pro-Muslim policies, in addition to the facts that his father was a Muslim, half-brother, his relatives, he was raised in a Muslim religious school.
The claim that he attended "a Muslim school" gets a "pants on fire" from Politifact.
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It also means a prostitute's client.
I think we need a definition for "ad hominem" attack.
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Good point. Actually, it would be useful if all forum participants would fill out the Location field in their respective user profiles. Because, at least to some extent, "Where you stand depends on where you sit. (https://www.jstor.org/stable/975497?seq=1)"
I do not agree. I challenge you to say what it means if someone is, like me, from North Carolina.
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Trusting their predictions alone doesn't seem smart.
Nobody has suggested that. Look at the poll or not. Entirely your decision. Nobody really cares.
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I do not agree. I challenge you to say what it means if someone is, like me, from North Carolina.
Well, first we know you're American. Many people here are not. So their positions regarding American foreign affairs such as regarding tariffs and trade may be distorted by their desire for policies that favor their countries. A reader of their point of view would then understand their position is prejudiced.
Even in your case, stating that you're from North Carolina, a southern state would make your argument in favor of Black Lives Matter, if you hold that position, more powerful. Otherwise, people might assume you're just another Yankee from another northern liberal state and would favor the organization. (edit)
Thus, Chris's "where you stand depends on where you sit" provides support for letting people here know where you're from. I support his point wholeheartedly.
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This is podcast from NPR's Fresh Air program. It is an interview with Ann Applebaum who wrote a recent article in The Atlantic analyzing the behaviour of GOP and administration officials and how they seem to acquiesce to many of Trump's proto-authoritarian impulses, something to which they would have been normally opposed, https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult). She likens this to a form of collaboration that is due to several motivations and there is a discussion of those.
Just a word of warning to Trumpeteers, this podcast is not a safe space for you. It contains disturbing descriptions of Trump's actions since being elected, nothing new but you won't enjoy them. If you at all sensitive, best not to listen. ;)
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This is podcast from NPR's Fresh Air program. It is an interview with Ann Applebaum who wrote a recent article in The Atlantic analyzing the behaviour of GOP and administration officials and how they seem to acquiesce to many of Trump's proto-authoritarian impulses, something to which they would have been normally opposed, https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult). She likens this to a form of collaboration that is due to several motivations and there is a discussion of those.
Just a word of warning to Trumpeteers, this podcast is not a safe space for you. It contains disturbing descriptions of Trump's actions since being elected, nothing new but you won't enjoy them. If you at all sensitive, best not to listen. ;)
Why are you surprised that members of a party, whether Republican or Democrat, support their party's president? That's how it works. How many Democrats didn't support Obama? You either stick together or all hang separately.
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Why are you surprised that members of a party, whether Republican or Democrat, support their party's president? That's how it works. How many Democrats didn't support Obama? You either stick together or all hang separately.
Or grow a set and call a spade a spade as you see it rather than behaving like one of those dogs on the dashboards that continually nod their heads.
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Even in your case, stating that you're from North Carolina, a southern state would make your argument in favor of Black Lives Matter, if you hold that position, more powerful. Otherwise, people might assume you're just another Yankee from another northern liberal state and would favor the organization.
This sort of nonsense is why we shouldn't disclose our locations.
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Why are you surprised that members of a party, whether Republican or Democrat, support their party's president? That's how it works. How many Democrats didn't support Obama? You either stick together or all hang separately.
You didn't listen to it, did you? You didn't hear why the author thinks their support of authoritarian policies may run contrary to American constitutional beliefs. That's ok, I didn't put it out there for you, I put it out there because I thought it was interesting piece. You can listen to it or not, up to you.
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Why are you surprised that members of a party, whether Republican or Democrat, support their party's president? That's how it works. How many Democrats didn't support Obama? You either stick together or all hang separately.
I didn't vote for Obama in '12 specifically because he abandoned (or actively embraced) some of the policy positions that I though were critical and necessary changes from the previous administration. I wouldn't vote for any candidate, D, R, my party or not, that advanced and went to court to promote a unitary executive theory, or that argued, literally, that the president was immune from investigation for murder, and I'm pretty comfortable with that...
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Why are you surprised that members of a party, whether Republican or Democrat, support their party's president? That's how it works.
No, Alan that's not how it works. If it did, then Johnson wouldn't have won the landslide victory he did in the UK elections and Trump, for sure, wouldn't have won in 2016.
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I didn't vote for Obama in '12 specifically because he abandoned (or actively embraced) some of the policy positions that I though were critical and necessary changes from the previous administration. I wouldn't vote for any candidate, D, R, my party or not, that advanced and went to court to promote a unitary executive theory, or that argued, literally, that the president was immune from investigation for murder, and I'm pretty comfortable with that...
No, Alan that's not how it works. If it did, then Johnson wouldn't have won the landslide victory he did in the UK elections and Trump, for sure, wouldn't have won in 2016.
I was referring to Senators and Congressmen who are Republicans sticking together, or if they are Democrats. Of course, voters will switch parties when they vote despite belonging to a party. Additionally, many voters don't even belong to a party.
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You didn't listen to it, did you? You didn't hear why the author thinks their support of authoritarian policies may run contrary to American constitutional beliefs. That's ok, I didn't put it out there for you, I put it out there because I thought it was interesting piece. You can listen to it or not, up to you.
NPR, Ann Applebaum and The Atlantic are all left, anti-Trump. How many Trump hating diatribes should I listen too?
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NPR, Ann Applebaum and The Atlantic are all left, anti-Trump. How many Trump hating diatribes should I listen too?
Just as many Trump loving...he can't do no wrong diatribes to balance your biased views. If you only read what you agree with...you'll never know the real truth...just what you want the truth to be.
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This was all hashed out before you came to the party. Check earlier threads about this subject.
If I missed out on the hash at your party, I'm not likely to be going there now.
The main point I made then and make again is that it is not in America's interest to get involved securing a homeland for the Kurds
When has anyone suggested that the US become involved in securing a homeland for the Kurds?
We've spent enough treasure and lost enough blood in the Middle East trying to sort out the craziness there that will never be resolved regardless what we do.
The US has invested blood and treasure in the Middle East. Anyone, not wearing blinders, will also know that the US has also extracted treasure from the region and thru the fomenting of revolution and support of brutal dictators and monarchs has aided in the loss of blood there. As to craziness, the US has had a hand in stirring that pot as well.
The US has been involved wherever money, power, and oil intersect in the Middle East since the 1920s when oil was discovered there. The ledger is thick and complex, but there are certainly entries on both sides of the balance sheet for the US.
While it would be nice for the Kurds to have a homeland, it doesn't become America's responsibility.
Again, who has suggested that a Kurdish homeland is the responsibility of the US?
The Kurd history was something European and other countries caused and who didn't do anything to correct for a hundred years.
Largely, but not exclusively.
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My post was in response to your suggestion to imagine what it would be like if US troops were still in Syria engaged with "players jockeying for power, territory and control of oil". I spent the vast majority of the post, to which you replied, showing that the US is still there - in reality - and doing precisely what you asked to imagine.
Mention of the Kurds in this thread (not your previous hash party which I missed) began when I pointed out that they hadn't fared well under recent US policy. This is nothing new for them as the US has repeatedly played them as pawns and then abandoned them in Iraq. This time it's Syria.
I tacked on to the bottom of my more recent post a highly abbreviated modern history of the Kurds for the expressly stated purpose of giving "a little history in the hope that it might nudge some further interest of a few people to learn more" about the Kurds, especially as it relates to their history with Turkey.
Never did I or anyone else, anywhere in this thread, even remotely suggest that the US should be involved in "securing a homeland for the Kurds". How or why you went off on that tangent, I haven't a clue.
You did mention hash at a previous party that I missed. It must have been good.
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NPR, Ann Applebaum and The Atlantic are all left, anti-Trump. How many Trump hating diatribes should I listen too?
Enough to convince you that when the president's lawyer claims that he's immune from investigation (not indictment, investigation) *even if he shoots someone in plain view * we have a problem.
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NPR, Ann Applebaum and The Atlantic are all left, anti-Trump. How many Trump hating diatribes should I listen too?
You should read or listen to nothing except predigested information conforming to your ideological diet. Unless of course, you're attempting to keep an open mind and are looking for broader knowledge.
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This is podcast from NPR's Fresh Air program. It is an interview with Ann Applebaum who wrote a recent article in The Atlantic analyzing the behaviour of GOP and administration officials and how they seem to acquiesce to many of Trump's proto-authoritarian impulses, something to which they would have been normally opposed, https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869783127/why-gop-leaders-back-trumps-proto-authoritarian-cult). She likens this to a form of collaboration that is due to several motivations and there is a discussion of those.
Just a word of warning to Trumpeteers, this podcast is not a safe space for you. It contains disturbing descriptions of Trump's actions since being elected, nothing new but you won't enjoy them. If you at all sensitive, best not to listen. ;)
I read the article in The Atlantic and thought it was very well written. Thanks for the interview link! I'm going to listen to it now.
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Just as many Trump loving...he can't do no wrong diatribes to balance your biased views. If you only read what you agree with...you'll never know the real truth...just what you want the truth to be.
I'l bet I watch more CNN and MSNBC than you watch Fox.
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I'l bet I watch more CNN and MSNBC than you watch Fox.
You got that right. I don't watch any of that shit...it's there to entertain the simpletons. If I want entertainment, I'll watch the Three Stooges...much smarter than the Stooges in the White House today.
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I think Trump will not be reelected mainly because of the way he (not) handled the corona pandemie.
It will linger on till election-day and beyond, just because there was no clear national direction and will have a devastating effect on the economy, unemployment; not to talk about the 150.000+ casualties.
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I think Trump will not be reelected mainly because of the way he (not) handled the corona pandemie.
It will linger on till election-day and beyond, just because there was no clear national direction and will have a devastating effect on the economy, unemployment; not to talk about the 150.000+ casualties.
Texas and Florida are on a record setting pace for cases and hospitalizations, and the governors today rolled back their reopening plans, which largely means they are closing bars. You'd think that adults would take steps to protect themselves by wearing masks and social distancing, but it is simply too much too expect. People are idiots.
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I think Trump will not be reelected mainly because of the way he (not) handled the corona pandemie.
It will linger on till election-day and beyond, just because there was no clear national direction and will have a devastating effect on the economy, unemployment; not to talk about the 150.000+ casualties.
He showed extremely poor leadership throughout the pendemic. Rather than providing the leadership the USA was critically needing, all Trump was concerned about was his reelection...thinking ( hoping ) the virus would just go away as it is interrupting his reelection plans.
If he had more wisdom, he would realize the virus was a huge opportunity to show the people his leadership and tackle the issue head on...get the nation united against this invisible enemy...but instead he totally blundered any opportunity to take the Bulls by the horns and now he's swimming in dodo.
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If I missed out on the hash at your party, I'm not likely to be going there now.
Trust me; you didn't miss a thing. But you knew that.
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Texas and Florida are on a record setting pace for cases and hospitalizations, and the governors today rolled back their reopening plans, which largely means they are closing bars. You'd think that adults would take steps to protect themselves by wearing masks and social distancing, but it is simply too much too expect. People are idiots.
Some of them were told that in the summer the virus will magically disappear. Or that some herds will appear which will put the end to it.
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Here's why mail-in voting can be a fraud problem. This is near where I live. This is not one or two votes as is always claimed by Democrats. It ran into the thousands for a little election. You won't see this story much on CNN.
1 in 5 Ballots Rejected as Fraud Is Charged in N.J. Mail-In Election
In the City Council election, 16,747 vote-by-mail ballots were received, but only 13,557 votes were counted. More than 3,190 votes, 19% of the total ballots cast, were disqualified by the board of elections.
Over 800 ballots in Paterson were invalidated for appearing in mailboxes improperly bundled together – including a one mailbox where hundreds of ballots were in a single packet.
The board of elections disqualified another 2,300 ballots after concluding that the signatures on them did not match the signatures on voter records.
There were multiple reports that large numbers of mail-in ballots were left on the lobby floors of apartment buildings and not delivered to residents’ individual mailboxes, further casting doubt on the integrity of the election.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
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I think Trump will not be reelected mainly because of the way he (not) handled the corona pandemie.
It will linger on till election-day and beyond, just because there was no clear national direction and will have a devastating effect on the economy, unemployment; not to talk about the 150.000+ casualties.
It appears that Trump is starting to paint himself as the "law and order" choice. If FOX keeps showing rioters and looters on high rotation, it's a strategy that might have legs.
A recent podcast from Sam Harris points this out, among many other things, https://samharris.org/podcasts/207-can-pull-back-brink/ (https://samharris.org/podcasts/207-can-pull-back-brink/).
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It appears that Trump is starting to paint himself as the "law and order" choice. If FOX keeps showing rioters and looters on high rotation, it's a strategy that might have legs.
A recent podcast from Sam Harris points this out, among many other things, https://samharris.org/podcasts/207-can-pull-back-brink/ (https://samharris.org/podcasts/207-can-pull-back-brink/).
I don't actually believe that argument. You know why? Because people are simply tired of Trump's bullshit. And a lot of the people who are tired of it are Republican women. His ratings among them are crashing. In the last election, Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, but Trump managed to squeak through by winning a crucial group of normally Democratic states by very narrow margins. If he'd lost them, he'd have lost the election in a landslide. The point being, that he can't afford to lose any voters -- and he is. Now, the Republicans are helping him to defeat by picking this moment to try to get rid of the Obamacare in a Supreme Court case. Twenty million people would lose their insurance. I almost hope they succeed, because then the November defeat will be truly crushing, and a Democratic Senate will replace the ACA with a much wider program and will Supreme-Court-proof it by paying attention to all the reasons the ACA went down. We might finally get a decent national insurance program out of it.
Americans are beginning to wise up to the awful news bias perpetrated by Fox and other rightwing outlets. They're not buying it anymore.
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... some herds will appear which will put the end to it.
Some herds (aka mobs) did appear and that is causing the spike.
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... a Democratic Senate...
USSA.
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I don't actually believe that argument. You know why? Because people are simply tired of Trump's bullshit. And a lot of the people who are tired of it are Republican women. His ratings among them are crashing. In the last election, Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, but Trump managed to squeak through by winning a crucial group of normally Democratic states by very narrow margins. If he'd lost them, he'd have lost the election in a landslide. The point being, that he can't afford to lose any voters -- and he is. Now, the Republicans are helping him to defeat by picking this moment to try to get rid of the Obamacare in a Supreme Court case. Twenty million people would lose their insurance. I almost hope they succeed, because then the November defeat will be truly crushing, and a Democratic Senate will replace the ACA with a much wider program and will Supreme-Court-proof it by paying attention to all the reasons the ACA went down. We might finally get a decent national insurance program out of it.
Americans are beginning to wise up to the awful news bias perpetrated by Fox and other rightwing outlets. They're not buying it anymore.
I truly hope you're right.
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Americans are beginning to wise up to the awful news bias perpetrated by Fox and other rightwing outlets.
Scuse me? You had a straight face when you wrote that? ROTFL!
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Scuse me? You had a straight face when you wrote that? ROTFL!
He meant intelligent people.
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He meant intelligent people.
Oh, I get it now: intelligent people are beginning to wise up; they were not so wise in the past. Makes me wonder.
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I think we need a definition for "ad hominem" attack.
OK. The term is, properly, argumentum ad hominem. It means attacking an argument by attacking the person putting it forward; in sporting terms, playing the man and not the ball. It has nothing to do with feelings, or emotions, or perceptions.
Let's take an example. Suppose a forum member - let's call him 'Alan', because it's short and easy to type - makes an obviously ludicrous assertion in a post, such as "chemotherapeutic agents are made from nuclear waste". Suppose there are those who might want to respond. There are at least three approaches.
1. Engage in rational argument. "Chemotherapy agents are derived from a variety of sources. Some are natural and some, synthetic. But none is radioactive, at least above background levels (radioactivity is used in radiotherapy, not chemotherapy), and none is derived from nuclear waste".
2. Abuse 'Alan' in an irrelevant fashion: "Your mother was a hamster and your father, 'Alan', smelled of elderberries".
3. Abuse 'Alan' in a relevant fashion: "You are an ignoramus who knows nothing of medicine or cancer treatment, 'Alan', and so anything you say on the subject must be false".
The third of those is argumentum ad hominem. The first is a reasoned response, but experience suggests it is unlikely to bear fruit; and the second is merely abuse.
Jeremy
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How about, 4. None of the above.
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OK. The term is, properly, argumentum ad hominem. It means attacking an argument by attacking the person putting it forward; in sporting terms, playing the man and not the ball. It has nothing to do with feelings, or emotions, or perceptions.
Let's take an example. Suppose a forum member - let's call him 'Alan', because it's short and easy to type - makes an obviously ludicrous assertion in a post, such as "chemotherapeutic agents are made from nuclear waste". Suppose there are those who might want to respond. There are at least three approaches. . . .
A fourth possible response, assuming you don't think an utterly baseless claim is worthy of a counter-argument or deserving of abuse (rational or otherwise) but interrupts an otherwise sensible conversation or debate, is to ask the poster to move his made-up facts to the "playpen" thread, where they are not only always welcome but, for those brave enough to look in every now and then, actually often amusing and—I say this with no condescension intended—sometimes quite instructive because they offer insight into an approach to understanding reality that is shared by many of his countrymen. (And, I daresay, many nationals of other countries.)
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A fourth possible response, assuming you don't think an utterly baseless claim is worthy of a counter-argument or deserving of abuse (rational or otherwise) but interrupts an otherwise sensible conversation or debate, is to ask the poster to move his made-up facts to the "playpen" thread, where they are not only always welcome but, for those brave enough to look in every now and then, actually often amusing and—I say this with no condescension intended—sometimes quite instructive because they offer insight into an approach to understanding reality that is shared by many of his countrymen. (And, I daresay, many nationals of other countries.)
If you cut through the legalese, that sounds a little ad hominem. ;)
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Thanks for that, Jeremy.
At the top of the list of the "types of ad hominem attacks" listed in the link I previously provided was:
Abusive - This is where the person is directly attacked. (i.e. This is why a woman shouldn’t do a man's job.)
Unfortunately, it was immediately attacked as typically leftist.
Here's the link I provided:
https://examples.yourdictionary.com/ad-hominem-examples.html
An alternative fourth choice of argument is to ask for proof. That puts the onus back on the original assertion maker where IMHO, it rightfully belongs.
"Otherwise, it's just all lies and bullshit"
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The most reasonable approach would be for true Republicans believing in democracy to come up with an independent candidate by-passing the republican party if they cannot make it happen within the party.
Bolton has been hinting strongly at the possibility of another Republican candidate.
This would be a unique opportunity for them to have their agenda accepted by many people who would normally have had mode moderate views. I believe that the "anybody but Trump" opens interesting possibilities.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The most reasonable approach would be for true Republicans believing in democracy to come up with an independent candidate by-passing the republican party if they cannot make it happen within the party.
Bolton has been hinting strongly at the possibility of another Republican candidate.
This would be a unique opportunity for them to have their agenda accepted by many people who would normally have had mode moderate views. I believe that the "anybody but Trump" opens interesting possibilities.
Cheers,
Bernard
Not this year, Bernard. The Republicans, unfortunately, have rolled over and played dead -- they are now the Trump party, at least for the time being. I sincerely believe in our two party system, the liberal party providing new ideas and testing new directions, the conservatives, reining in the over-enthusiasm and trying to maintain some sense of fiscal sanity. Unfortunately, at the present time the two parties are both plagued by goofy fringes on the far left and far right. The Republicans have it the worst with the Tea Party and the Trumpers, who are not quite the same; so far, the Democrats have been able to fend off the goofiest of the leftists, and keep a finger hold on the center. Which is good, because that's the only way they're ever going to win anything. Both parties need to get rid of the extremes. The extremes shouldn't be banished, but should be encouraged to start their own parties, Socialists on the left, Fascists on the right. They should not be allowed to infiltrate and take over the center parties, because those two ideological groups, socialists and fascists, are responsible for most of the political calamities of the past hundred years. We need to know who they are so we can stay away from them. IMHO.
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Not this year, Bernard. The Republicans, unfortunately, have rolled over and played dead -- they are now the Trump party, at least for the time being. I sincerely believe in our two party system, the liberal party providing new ideas and testing new directions, the conservatives, reining in the over-enthusiasm and trying to maintain some sense of fiscal sanity. Unfortunately, at the present time the two parties are both plagued by goofy fringes on the far left and far right. The Republicans have it the worst with the Tea Party and the Trumpers, who are not quite the same; so far, the Democrats have been able to fend off the goofiest of the leftists, and keep a finger hold on the center. Which is good, because that's the only way they're ever going to win anything. Both parties need to get rid of the extremes. The extremes shouldn't be banished, but should be encouraged to start their own parties, Socialists on the left, Fascists on the right. They should not be allowed to infiltrate and take over the center parties, because those two ideological groups, socialists and fascists, are responsible for most of the political calamities of the past hundred years. We need to know who they are so we can stay away from them. IMHO.
I've generally found that the easiest way for me to distinguish between the extreme tunnel-visioned ideologues, of any type, and the more balanced and pragmatic is their display of empathy or lack of it. Those that are able to recognize and acknowledge the legitimate concerns of people that they don't agree with on policy and politics are the people I want to listen to most often.
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That just reminded me of a quotation from one of the Federalist Papers that I have always found memorable. After the text of the US Constitution itself, the Federalist Papers are the most referenced set of documents for interpreting the intentions and meaning of the Constitution. They are often referred to in court rulings on constitutional issues. This is from Federalist #1 and written by Alexander Hamilton.
"And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose. To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives. An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty. An over-scrupulous jealousy of danger to the rights of the people, which is more commonly the fault of the head than of the heart, will be represented as mere pretense and artifice, the stale bait for popularity at the expense of the public good. It will be forgotten, on the one hand, that jealousy is the usual concomitant of love, and that the noble enthusiasm of liberty is apt to be infected with a spirit of narrow and illiberal distrust. On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."
Here is a link to the complete set of Federalist Paper essays from the Library of Congress along with a brief introduction of their history... https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text (https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text)
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This is how James Madison expressed his views on the same subject in Federalist #10
The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts. But the most common and durable source of factions has been the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. Those who are creditors, and those who are debtors, fall under a like discrimination. A landed interest, a manufacturing interest, a mercantile interest, a moneyed interest, with many lesser interests, grow up of necessity in civilized nations, and divide them into different classes, actuated by different sentiments and views. The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of modern legislation, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.
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How about, 4. None of the above.
Yes, that's another option. My use of the words "at least" indicated that I didn't consider my list to be exhaustive.
Thanks for that, Jeremy.
At the top of the list of the "types of ad hominem attacks" listed in the link I previously provided was:
Abusive - This is where the person is directly attacked. (i.e. This is why a woman shouldn’t do a man's job.)
Unfortunately, it was immediately attacked as typically leftist.
The writer's political views are of no interest. However, I find the article poorly argued. The example you quote above is simply not argumentum ad hominem and, along with most of the others he cites, makes it clear that the author doesn't understand what the phrase actually means.
Jeremy
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Not this year, Bernard. The Republicans, unfortunately, have rolled over and played dead -- they are now the Trump party, at least for the time being. I sincerely believe in our two party system, the liberal party providing new ideas and testing new directions, the conservatives, reining in the over-enthusiasm and trying to maintain some sense of fiscal sanity. Unfortunately, at the present time the two parties are both plagued by goofy fringes on the far left and far right. The Republicans have it the worst with the Tea Party and the Trumpers, who are not quite the same; so far, the Democrats have been able to fend off the goofiest of the leftists, and keep a finger hold on the center. Which is good, because that's the only way they're ever going to win anything. Both parties need to get rid of the extremes. The extremes shouldn't be banished, but should be encouraged to start their own parties, Socialists on the left, Fascists on the right. They should not be allowed to infiltrate and take over the center parties, because those two ideological groups, socialists and fascists, are responsible for most of the political calamities of the past hundred years. We need to know who they are so we can stay away from them. IMHO.
Each of the two parties draw extremes because of the electoral system in America. Unlike a parliamentary system, the requirement for 50% of the electoral vote to win causes the unlikelihood you can win if a third party draws away votes from your main party's candidate. This has happened a number of times recently. For example, third-party candidate Perot's run caused Republican Bush to lose to Clinton in 1992. It's claimed that Nader's run in 2000 caused Democrat Gore to lose against the second Bush.
Of course, each party encourages third party candidates to run - in the opposition party. :)
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That just reminded me of a quotation from one of the Federalist Papers that I have always found memorable. After the text of the US Constitution itself, the Federalist Papers are the most referenced set of documents for interpreting the intentions and meaning of the Constitution. They are often referred to in court rulings on constitutional issues. This is from Federalist #1 and written by Alexander Hamilton.
"And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion. A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose. To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives. An enlightened zeal for the energy and efficiency of government will be stigmatized as the offspring of a temper fond of despotic power and hostile to the principles of liberty. An over-scrupulous jealousy of danger to the rights of the people, which is more commonly the fault of the head than of the heart, will be represented as mere pretense and artifice, the stale bait for popularity at the expense of the public good. It will be forgotten, on the one hand, that jealousy is the usual concomitant of love, and that the noble enthusiasm of liberty is apt to be infected with a spirit of narrow and illiberal distrust. On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."
Here is a link to the complete set of Federalist Paper essays from the Library of Congress along with a brief introduction of their history... https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text (https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/full-text)
This is how James Madison expressed his views on the same subject in Federalist #10
The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts. But the most common and durable source of factions has been the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society. Those who are creditors, and those who are debtors, fall under a like discrimination. A landed interest, a manufacturing interest, a mercantile interest, a moneyed interest, with many lesser interests, grow up of necessity in civilized nations, and divide them into different classes, actuated by different sentiments and views. The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of modern legislation, and involves the spirit of party and faction in the necessary and ordinary operations of the government.
Their writings are why the Constitution has a Bill of Rights and a divided government with checks and balances. What they feared the most, frankly, were the people. Democracy would be the part that would destroy it all. It's why they set up the Electoral system and had State legislatures selecting Senators, the latter being changed in the last century to direct vote. The people in their greed would demand from government more than it could do. We're seeing it now as the Fed prints money to satisfy the demands of the people that will destroy our economy taking the world with us. The Europeans, Japanese, and others are just as bad. The Republicans and Tea Party threw in the towel. And the Democrats have been a lost cause for fiscal responsibility for decades.
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And the Democrats have been a lost cause for fiscal responsibility for decades.
Really?
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
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Really?
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
Looking at which president was in charge when debt was created only tells part of the story. Congress is the branch responsible for budgets. So you'd have to examine their political makeup and party affiliation at the time legislation was passed. I'm not saying Republicans are tight wads. They're not. Reagan spent like crazy and Nixon took us off the gold standard which will probably bankrupt us. It's just that compared to democrats, they used to be more fiscally conservative. By comparison, if Democrats are like drunken sailors on shore leave, republicans are just sailors on shore leave.
My apologies to the navy.
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Trump's plans are not going well, it seems, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/27/trump-losing-2020-election-342326 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/27/trump-losing-2020-election-342326).
There are also reports this morning about Putin putting a bounty on US soldiers and that Trump knew about it. It will be interesting if this turns out to be as true as early reports seem to indicate. I don't have a link because I forget where I saw it, but it should be all over the interweb by now. It's sad how plausible it is though.
Trump's behaviour towards US allies and his seeming chumminess with Putin are odd, to say the least. That time he openly stated that he believed Putin over the US's own intelligence services was eye-popping. I guess that since it was just one more eye-popper in an endless stream of them, the outrage didn't last long. It says something about Trumpeteers that they were seemingly ok with the statement. The idea that they could stomach that big a lie is more in line with cult behaviour than politics.
The article by Ann Applebaum in The Atlantic made an interesting point about "lies", and she used the nonsense about the size of crowds at the inauguration as example. The Trumpian claims at the time was that the crowds were large, which was patently untrue and spectacularly so. But, she says, that's the point. That you can outlandishly make a false claim that is THAT obviously false and that there are no repercussions, THAT is the problem. Whether the crowds were there or not is almost a minor side issue, but the fact that he can state the lie with impunity is what's important. That kind of behaviour is reminiscent of Soviet era in which suddenly someone is erased from pictures. Everyone knows it's bullshit but people are complicit in the bullshit for various reasons, ranging from "I want to keep my job" to "I get a hard-on from belonging to this cult".
I don't think it's possible to overstate how toxic this is. Trump wants people who riot and deface statues to be prioritized by police, nothing wrong with that as it stands. Too bad he didn't come out against armed militiamen storming state legislatures. A true "law and order" candidate would have, if he truly believed in the rule of law. But the signals he gives are that some behaviours are ok if they come from the "correct" side. This is highly authoritarian behaviour, to split citizens into us and them. Leaders of democratic countries are supposed to represent everyone not pick sides internally. The USSR would be proud. Believers in the rule of law and constitution should be up in arms. Why aren't they?
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Trump's plans are not going well, it seems, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/27/trump-losing-2020-election-342326 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/27/trump-losing-2020-election-342326).
There are also reports this morning about Putin putting a bounty on US soldiers and that Trump knew about it. It will be interesting if this turns out to be as true as early reports seem to indicate. I don't have a link because I forget where I saw it, but it should be all over the interweb by now. It's sad how plausible it is though.
Trump's behaviour towards US allies and his seeming chumminess with Putin are odd, to say the least. That time he openly stated that he believed Putin over the US's own intelligence services was eye-popping. I guess that since it was just one more eye-popper in an endless stream of them, the outrage didn't last long. It says something about Trumpeteers that they were seemingly ok with the statement. The idea that they could stomach that big a lie is more in line with cult behaviour than politics.
The article by Ann Applebaum in The Atlantic made an interesting point about "lies", and she used the nonsense about the size of crowds at the inauguration as example. The Trumpian claims at the time was that the crowds were large, which was patently untrue and spectacularly so. But, she says, that's the point. That you can outlandishly make a false claim that is THAT obviously false and that there are no repercussions, THAT is the problem. Whether the crowds were there or not is almost a minor side issue, but the fact that he can state the lie with impunity is what's important. That kind of behaviour is reminiscent of Soviet era in which suddenly someone is erased from pictures. Everyone knows it's bullshit but people are complicit in the bullshit for various reasons, ranging from "I want to keep my job" to "I get a hard-on from belonging to this cult".
I don't think it's possible to overstate how toxic this is. Trump wants people who riot and deface statues to be prioritized by police, nothing wrong with that as it stands. Too bad he didn't come out against armed militiamen storming state legislatures. A true "law and order" candidate would have, if he truly believed in the rule of law. But the signals he gives are that some behaviours are ok if they come from the "correct" side. This is highly authoritarian behaviour, to split citizens into us and them. Leaders of democratic countries are supposed to represent everyone not pick sides internally. The USSR would be proud. Believers in the rule of law and constitution should be up in arms. Why aren't they?
You have to beat somebody with somebody else. You don't vote against Trump. You have to vote for his opponent who is Biden now and was Hillary Clinton in 2016. I realize Democrats are making this a vote on whether you like Trump or not. It's because they have a weak candidate and it's scary that he might be in charge of running and protecting America, a guy who isn't sure where he is and hides out in the basement afraid to come out. That's not leadership. An American President has to deal with some despicable people around the world through difficult times and challenges. Many Americans don't think Biden is up for it. So they'll hold their noses, again, and vote for Trump.
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You have to beat somebody with somebody else. You don't vote against Trump. You have to vote for his opponent who is Biden now and was Hillary Clinton in 2016. I realize Democrats are making this a vote on whether you like Trump or not. It's because they have a weak candidate and it's scary that he might be in charge of running and protecting America, a guy who isn't sure where he is and hides out in the basement afraid to come out. That's not leadership. An American President has to deal with some despicable people around the world through difficult times and challenges. Many Americans don't think Biden is up for it. So they'll hold their noses, again, and vote for Trump.
And you call what Trump does leadership. A guy that blantantly lies to his people...that's leadership and someone you want running your country?
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And you call what Trump does leadership. A guy that blantantly lies to his people...that's leadership and someone you want running your country?
All politicians and presidents lie or embellish. Obama lied about Obamacare. Johnson lied about the Tonkin Gulf and Vietnam, Reagan lied about Iranian aid to Nicaragua, Nixon lied about Watergate, Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq, and Washington lied about the cherry tree. :) Trump's done a lot of good stuff: got us out of Iraq and getting us out of Afghanistan, destroyed ISIS, until the virus created a dynamic economy, and other stuff. He's certainly not a politician, never was, can;lt speak well. But he gets things done and has protected American interests. Do you really think Biden is telling the truth about the Ukraine, his son, and the millions they made? Why don't you run? You seem like an honest fellow. :)
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The winning campaign issue right now is health insurance. Even if they have a COBRA plan, the premiums will be very high. A lot of those who have been laid off and will not be going back to their jobs won't have health insurance and the Trump Administration seems to be willfully committing suicide by going after the ACA aka Obamacare, without any replacement being offered. Biden just has to sit on the stoop ala William McKinley and just keep repeating the mantra - "they want to take away your health insurance"
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You have to beat somebody with somebody else. You don't vote against Trump. You have to vote for his opponent who is Biden now and was Hillary Clinton in 2016. I realize Democrats are making this a vote on whether you like Trump or not. It's because they have a weak candidate and it's scary that he might be in charge of running and protecting America, a guy who isn't sure where he is and hides out in the basement afraid to come out. That's not leadership. An American President has to deal with some despicable people around the world through difficult times and challenges. Many Americans don't think Biden is up for it. So they'll hold their noses, again, and vote for Trump.
None of which is responsive to the post you quoted. It's just a deflection.
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All politicians and presidents lie or embellish. Obama lied about Obamacare. Johnson lied about the Tonkin Gulf and Vietnam, Reagan lied about Iranian aid to Nicaragua, Nixon lied about Watergate, Bush lied about WMD's in Iraq, and Washington lied about the cherry tree. :) Trump's done a lot of good stuff: got us out of Iraq and getting us out of Afghanistan, destroyed ISIS, until the virus created a dynamic economy, and other stuff. He's certainly not a politician, never was, can;lt speak well. But he gets things done and has protected American interests. Do you really think Biden is telling the truth about the Ukraine, his son, and the millions they made? Why don't you run? You seem like an honest fellow. :)
Sure all presidents lied...but Trump does it continuously, on purpose to mislead his people. He totally screwed the response to the pendemic and then lies about it...along with his puppet Pence. Just look at the fact checks on any of his speeches...and don't even try on his tweets as they are all bullshit. He loves to put down anyone that does not agree with him by using childish name calling. I just shudder to think the values being instilled into today's children as they watch this idiot of a president lie and name call to his hearts content...and his Trumpateer crowds all eat it up.
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The winning campaign issue right now is health insurance. Even if they have a COBRA plan, the premiums will be very high. A lot of those who have been laid off and will not be going back to their jobs won't have health insurance and the Trump Administration seems to be willfully committing suicide by going after the ACA aka Obamacare, without any replacement being offered. Biden just has to sit on the stoop ala William McKinley and just keep repeating the mantra - "they want to take away your health insurance"
If the incomes of a lot of these folks falls too low it won't be Obamacare in their future, it will be Medicaid.
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New Jersey Mail in vote fraud case. Interesting. Perhaps up to 20% of the total vote are fake. Even more interesting are these different reports on the incident.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/new-jersey-attorney-general-announces-voting-fraud-charges/index.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/close-results-in-paterson-vote-plagued-by-fraud-claims-over-3k-ballots-seemingly-set-aside/2425813/
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There are also reports this morning about Putin putting a bounty on US soldiers and that Trump knew about it. It will be interesting if this turns out to be as true as early reports seem to indicate. I don't have a link because I forget where I saw it, but it should be all over the interweb by now. It's sad how plausible it is though.
Trump has denied being briefed. I am not sure whether to believe him. He lies about everything else. so I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Besides, he didn't say he didn't know anything about it. He just said he hadn't be "briefed". We'll just have to see how this develops over time.
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New Jersey Mail in vote fraud case. Interesting. Perhaps up to 20% of the total vote are fake. Even more interesting are these different reports on the incident.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/new-jersey-attorney-general-announces-voting-fraud-charges/index.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/close-results-in-paterson-vote-plagued-by-fraud-claims-over-3k-ballots-seemingly-set-aside/2425813/
Paterson, NJ election fraud is just the tip of the iceberg, the ones who got caught. Quote from on of the articles above: "Paterson was just one of 31 municipalities in New Jersey that held vote-by-mail elections on May 12. The average disqualification rate for mail-in ballots in all 31 elections across the state was an alarming 9.6%. (The ballot rejection rate drops to 8.1% if Paterson’s results are excluded.)" So the fraud was across the state. 10%! Where is the national news on this? Trump's been complaining about mail-in and non-ID voting. Where are the Republicans on this issue?
Also, the type of people who would commit fraud to win the election, would be the same people to commit fraud with kickbacks once in power. The town has a budget of $300 million. If you want to get a contract there to do government work, you'd have to pay the "customary fee" to the winners. The fraudsters don't care about democracy. Just getting into power to control the money. The town is the third most populated in New Jersey where I live.
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Trump has denied being briefed. I am not sure whether to believe him. He lies about everything else. so I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll just have to see how this develops over time.
That's the problem when dealing with a compulsive liar. You have no idea when he is telling the truth. Assume he is lying and you'll be more right than wrong.
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Trump has denied being briefed. I am not sure whether to believe him. He lies about everything else. so I am not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll just have to see how this develops over time.
Apparently, The NSA, The CIA Director and the White House Chief of Staff also deny Trump was briefed.
“The CIA Director, National Security Adviser and the Chief of Staff can all confirm that neither the President nor the Vice President were briefed on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence,” press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said.
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That's the problem when dealing with a compulsive liar. You have no idea when he is telling the truth. Assume he is lying and you'll be more right than wrong.
Oh, you talking about the press again?
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Apparently, The DNI, The CIA Director and the White House Chief of Staff also deny Trump was briefed.
“The CIA Director, National Security Adviser and the Chief of Staff can all confirm that neither the President nor the Vice President were briefed on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence,” press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said.
Has anyone said the substance of the report is untrue?
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Has anyone said the substance of the report is untrue?
I've not heard and the White House will not comment as they say is customary practce. Both the Taliban and the Russians also deny it.
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Both the Taliban and the Russians also deny it.
Well, there is a surprise.
I have listened to a couple of the recent press conferences, and Kayleigh McEnany is even less credible than her predecessors, if that is even possible.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are bounties. I believe we had bounties on Taliban leaders. At least for info about their whereabouts. The questions is if it's true about the Russian bounties, what should we do about it? I think they're getting even for all the Russians we killed in Syria. This is one of the reasons I favored not getting involved with the Kurds when the Turks complained. We need to get out of there. We don't have a dog in the fight. Let them all kill each other. A plague on all their houses.
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Oh, you talking about the press again?
Nope...the Trumpster that you worship daily and kiss his feet.
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The winning campaign issue right now is health insurance. Even if they have a COBRA plan, the premiums will be very high. A lot of those who have been laid off and will not be going back to their jobs won't have health insurance and the Trump Administration seems to be willfully committing suicide by going after the ACA aka Obamacare, without any replacement being offered. Biden just has to sit on the stoop ala William McKinley and just keep repeating the mantra - "they want to take away your health insurance"
Exactly.
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The winning campaign issue right now is health insurance. Even if they have a COBRA plan, the premiums will be very high. A lot of those who have been laid off and will not be going back to their jobs won't have health insurance and the Trump Administration seems to be willfully committing suicide by going after the ACA aka Obamacare, without any replacement being offered. Biden just has to sit on the stoop ala William McKinley and just keep repeating the mantra - "they want to take away your health insurance"
Both parties seem to be giving away the store. By the time this is over, there will be free medical care, unemployment insurance for life, forgiveness of tuition debt, and a chicken for every pot. Your pension and mine and our Social Security checks won't be worth squat as inflation destroys the value of the dollar from all the printing the Fed's going to do. We'll all be in the poor house.
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Well, there is a surprise.
I have listened to a couple of the recent press conferences, and Kayleigh McEnany is even less credible than her predecessors, if that is even possible.
Let's not get started on Kayleigh. I treasure her press briefings, especially the interplay with other female reporters who are telling her that she's full of shit. But Kayleigh is made of teflon -- the comments slide right by her and she doesn't even blink, just keeps going with that inane, and possibly insane, smile, because she doesn't recognize the fact that the reporters are telling her that she's an idiot. And she looks so much like Barbie! Andy Warhol would have loved her as much as I do! She's the Republican female dream, and you gotta respect that!
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Both parties seem to be giving away the store. By the time this is over, there will be free medical care, unemployment insurance for life, forgiveness of tuition debt, and a chicken for every pot. Your pension and mine and our Social Security checks won't be worth squat as inflation destroys the value of the dollar from all the printing the Fed's going to do. We'll all be in the poor house.
In other words, pretty much what the boomers got for themselves, and convinced themselves that they earned. Social Security that pays out much more than they paid in, thereby breaking the bank, colleges that charged a couple hundred dollars for tuition (I think I paid $360 at the University of Iowa in 1962.) They also gifted themselves with Medicare to take care of themselves when they were no longer getting company-paid health insurance. And on the chickens...I got nothin'.
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In other words, pretty much what the boomers got for themselves, and convinced themselves that they earned.
Of course boomers are guilty as everyone else. When I explained to my accountant friend, who also collects Social Security and is a liberal Democrat, that they might cut Social Security, he was very upset and adamant that it's unfair if they did that. After all, he contributed to Social Security all his life. It's his money they're paying back. Yet he feels it's perfectly OK to raise taxes on richer people as if the money they earned they didn't earn. He couldn't see that those additional taxes are really owned by the people not the government and they have just as much a right to their money as we are with the contributions we made to Social Security. It's really the same issue. The money belongs to the individual in both cases. You see everyone is for more taxes to pay for things as long as its the other guy who's getting taxed.
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Let's not get started on Kayleigh. I treasure her press briefings, especially the interplay with other female reporters who are telling her that she's full of shit. But Kayleigh is made of teflon -- the comments slide right by her and she doesn't even blink, just keeps going with that inane, and possibly insane, smile, because she doesn't recognize the fact that the reporters are telling her that she's an idiot.
Well, I take your point, but I still treasure the memories of Sean Spicer's White House press briefings. Sean didn't have Keyleigh's flair for saying preposterous things with a straight face and a blank smile: you could see the little beads of sweat break out on his face when he was lying. Of course, Spicer was a pro, with a series of progressively important appointments in Republican Party politics before he went to work for Trump, and he undoubtedly knew that after his White House gig his credibility would be gone for good. Now he's dancing with the stars. That's not a metaphor, for those of you who aren't familiar with U.S. television—it's the name of a celebrity "reality" competition program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_with_the_Stars_(American_TV_series)). Actually, that ended a while ago. He's probably selling shoes now.
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Spicer has his own program on Newsmax called Spicer & Co. I believe they teach dancing to punk-rock.
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Nope...the Trumpster that you worship daily and kiss his feet.
If, as your posts appear to demonstrate, this is the best you can manage, begone. Final warning, yet again.
Jeremy
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Both parties seem to be giving away the store. By the time this is over, there will be free medical care, unemployment insurance for life, forgiveness of tuition debt, and a chicken for every pot. Your pension and mine and our Social Security checks won't be worth squat as inflation destroys the value of the dollar from all the printing the Fed's going to do. We'll all be in the poor house.
Doesn't your pension increase with inflation?
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Doesn't your pension increase with inflation?
Pension indexing adds even more to the federal debt, so they will have to print even more money. In addition, the inflation devalues any of your savings.
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Doesn't your pension increase with inflation?
Yes, partially. Up to 3% but no more than $540 maximum increase for any one year. So it really doesn't cover it. Social Security does go up based on inflation. Unfortunately, the way the government figures it doesn't actually cover the devaluation of currency. The problem is that in the future, when they really start to run out of money, they're going to make changes that reduces Social Security. They may index it to your total income like they do Medicare payments that seniors pay. Social Security is now taxed at 85% if you make more than a certain amount. They could increase than tax to 100% of the total amount. That's already a double taxation. They tax the original income and then take out the social security payroll deduction. Then when you retire and get the social security, they tax that money again. Of course if you die before starting social security, they just keep it all so your dependents get nothing from what you paid in all your life.
At least we don't have a VAT tax like Europe. But that may change too. We'll all be working for the government like the serfs use to work for the British King and Lords. We revolted, fought for independence, and now we're doing it to ourselves. We've come full circle.
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By the time this is over, there will be free medical care...
Medical care is not and never will be free. Not even in Canada.
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Medical care is not and never will be free. Not even in Canada.
Medicare for the elderly is not free in America. They pay approximately $1500 annually. Plus there's a surcharge if your total income is higher than a certain amount. So you could be paying thousands for "free" medical care. Medicine is extra. Of course nothing is free that the government provides. It has to be paid for in incomes taxes. Or they borrow and you have to pay it back later like a credit card. Or they print it and you have to pay with currency whose purchasing power is being devalued by inflation. There is no free lunch.
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Pension indexing adds even more to the federal debt, so they will have to print even more money. In addition, the inflation devalues any of your savings.
Since I retired 5 years ago, my savings almost doubled. Got to be smart with your money and not treat them as savings, but investments.
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Since I retired 5 years ago, my savings almost doubled. Got to be smart with your money and not treat them as savings, but investments.
What's your secret?
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Paterson, NJ election fraud is just the tip of the iceberg, the ones who got caught.
In the decision of a two year long Federal Court case, that ran from 2016 to 2018 and was just reaffirmed by a Federal Appeals Court 2 months ago, in which Kris Kobach (who has built his political career for the past decade on claims of widespread voter fraud and who Trump appointed to lead a commission to uncover such fraud) was the defendant in a voter suppression lawsuit, the judge wrote...
Defendant insists that these numbers are just “the tip of the iceberg.” This trial was his opportunity to produce credible evidence of that iceberg, but he failed to do so.
Instead, the Court draws the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error.
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What's your secret?
I spend a couple of hours a day reading, watching and learning about the markers and individual stocks. Back 10 years ago when the banks tanked...I invested into BAC which paid back 6x when I sold it last Febuary. I made a quick double on marijuana stocks and got out when I saw it is cheaper to buy off the street than through retail as the middle man is greedy. Need to keep your ear to the ground and just use some common sense.
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In the decision of a two year long Federal Court case, that ran from 2016 to 2018 and was just reaffirmed by a Federal Appeals Court 2 months ago, in which Kris Kobach (who has built his political career for the past decade on claims of widespread voter fraud and who Trump appointed to lead a commission to uncover such fraud) was the defendant in a voter suppression lawsuit, the judge wrote...
Defendant insists that these numbers are just “the tip of the iceberg.” This trial was his opportunity to produce credible evidence of that iceberg, but he failed to do so.
Instead, the Court draws the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error.
I don't know anything about that case and it has nothing to do with the current situation in New Jersey. The City of Paterson and 31 other district problems in NJ are just a few weeks old and have major criminal implications. People have already been arrested. The results of elections are being discarded or questioned. You're just creating a straw man diversion to protect Democrats who are opposed to effective monitoring of voting.
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I spend a couple of hours a day reading, watching and learning about the markers and individual stocks. Back 10 years ago when the banks tanked...I invested into BAC which paid back 6x when I sold it last Febuary. I made a quick double on marijuana stocks and got out when I saw it is cheaper to buy off the street than through retail as the middle man is greedy. Need to keep your ear to the ground and just use some common sense.
What kind of dividends did they send you on those marijuana stocks? :)
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Since I retired 5 years ago, my savings almost doubled. Got to be smart with your money and not treat them as savings, but investments.
That's the right approach to use your savings as investment. Many people use their savings to buy discretionary items or pay medical bills.
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High Quality Photojournalism.
Long lens. Night. Moving subject. Perfectly timed.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zHP4V7gj2Ol1jPMGaXtQYWhyusU1Uop0WJICM_xGWEFqEbYGNWGqDMc25QGbQG-3xXzycnGNd0A9fJ6duwGgl7j-Fht76_Pga2gFPPh9dl4MosW2Nk86NnMoJnKmjbZMCiI52-l3qQ=w2400)
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High Quality Photojournalism.
Long lens. Night. Moving subject. Perfectly timed.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zHP4V7gj2Ol1jPMGaXtQYWhyusU1Uop0WJICM_xGWEFqEbYGNWGqDMc25QGbQG-3xXzycnGNd0A9fJ6duwGgl7j-Fht76_Pga2gFPPh9dl4MosW2Nk86NnMoJnKmjbZMCiI52-l3qQ=w2400)
Is that Trump coming back from his Tulsa roundup. Doesn't look too happy...expected tens of thousands of people including the outside overflow...got maybe 6,200 if we stretch it.
Get used to that grumpy look...November is coming.
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Is that Trump coming back from his Tulsa roundup.
Yep. Just stepped off the helo.
Doesn't look too happy..
No kidding. Hence the "high quality photojournalism" comment.
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Not really a good look for a President.
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High Quality Photojournalism.
Long lens. Night. Moving subject. Perfectly timed.
Yes! The video was widely broadcast and there are a number of other stills, but this shot (by Patrick Semansky of the Associated Press) is the best of the latter that I've seen. A beaten man captured at the decisive moment.
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Paterson, NJ election fraud is just the tip of the iceberg
In the decision of a two year long Federal Court case, that ran from 2016 to 2018 and was just reaffirmed by a Federal Appeals Court 2 months ago, in which Kris Kobach (who has built his political career for the past decade on claims of widespread voter fraud and who Trump appointed to lead a commission to uncover such fraud) was the defendant in a voter suppression lawsuit, the judge wrote...
Defendant insists that these numbers are just “the tip of the iceberg.” This trial was his opportunity to produce credible evidence of that iceberg, but he failed to do so.
Instead, the Court draws the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error.
I don't know anything about that case and it has nothing to do with the current situation in New Jersey. The City of Paterson and 31 other district problems in NJ are just a few weeks old and have major criminal implications. People have already been arrested. The results of elections are being discarded or questioned. You're just creating a straw man diversion to protect Democrats who are opposed to effective monitoring of voting.
I'm suggesting that when people make the claim that something is the "tip of the iceberg" that it would be a good idea to show the iceberg.
When voter fraud is caught and prosecuted one possible reaction could be, I'm glad to see the system functioning to detect fraud. Another reaction could be to claim that it's just the "tip of the iceberg" without ever showing any evidence of that claim. Kobach chose the latter and it hasn't served him very well. It's your choice if you wish to do the same.
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I don't know anything about that case and it has nothing to do with the current situation in New Jersey. The City of Paterson and 31 other district problems in NJ are just a few weeks old and have major criminal implications. People have already been arrested. The results of elections are being discarded or questioned. You're just creating a straw man diversion to protect Democrats who are opposed to effective monitoring of voting.
Dude. *Four* people have been arrested for the crime of not properly filling in the thing that affirms that they’re official ballot collectors, as best I can tell. What’s weird is I can’t find the story on Fox anywhere, which tells me either this is a total nonevent or the perpetrators were Republicans.
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but this shot (by Patrick Semansky of the Associated Press)
Thanks for providing that info. It really is an excellent image.
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Thanks for providing that info. It really is an excellent image.
It is an excellent example of spot news photojournalism. Would not surprise me if there is a Pulitzer nomination for it.
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It is an excellent example of spot news photojournalism. Would not surprise me if there is a Pulitzer nomination for it.
I was gonna use that word, too.
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Dude. *Four* people have been arrested for the crime of not properly filling in the thing that affirms that they’re official ballot collectors, as best I can tell. What’s weird is I can’t find the story on Fox anywhere, which tells me either this is a total nonevent or the perpetrators were Republicans.
Some of the people arrested are not official ballot collectors. Either they collected more than three the maximum allowed by law (hundreds in fact) or they were the ones running in the election in which case they cannot be official ballot collectors. There were thousands of ballots that had phoney signatures. There were hundreds more that were just dumped in the mail box bound together, obviously not sent by individuals. You really did read the article and are just apologizing for a major election crime these guys did.
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Some of the people arrested are not official ballot collectors. Either they collected more than three the maximum allowed by law (hundreds in fact) or they were the ones running in the election in which case they cannot be official ballot collectors. There were thousands of ballots that had phoney signatures. There were hundreds more that were just dumped in the mail box bound together, obviously not sent by individuals. You really did read the article and are just apologizing for a major election crime these guys did.
No I'm not, and I'm freely admitting that I can't find much about it yet. I AM saying that characterizing it as major fraud with "serious criminal implications" is premature, and it's certainly too early to use this as a reason why even more restrictions to voting should be instituted.
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No I'm not, and I'm freely admitting that I can't find much about it yet. I AM saying that characterizing it as major fraud with "serious criminal implications" is premature, and it's certainly too early to use this as a reason why even more restrictions to voting should be institute.
I'm in favor of mail in voting. My wife and I use it. But it's too easy to finagle as this case shows. I live in New Jersey. The politics are so corrupt here. I came from New York where it's worse. The leaders of the NY state senate and legislature went to jail for corruption.
This case isn't premature. People have been charged with election fraud. The only reason they got caught is because they were stupid. The put together hundreds of mail in vote envelopes, tied them together and stuffed them in the US Mail box. An alert mailman knew this looked phoney. Votes are mailed individually by people on their own. It was obvious someone was playing games with them bound together and reported it to his boss. So they investigated and found the fraud. Multiply this across the country. Of course they were Democrats. Democrats are good and getting dead people to vote as they did in Chicago and helped Kennedy win the presidency in 1960.
If we're going to have mail in voting, we should understand that there are people who will gameplay. We should come up with procedures to minimize that. You're not opposed to that are you?
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Of course they were Democrats.
From NPR News July 30, 2019: Prosecutors in North Carolina filed new felony charges against a Republican political operative accused of ballot tampering in a congressional election in 2018.
Leslie McCrae Dowless was charged Tuesday with two counts of felony obstruction of justice, perjury, solicitation to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal possession of absentee ballots, according to a statement by Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman.
The charges relate to the tainted 9th congressional district election last year in which Republican Mark Harris led in the unofficial vote tally by a margin of about 900 votes over Democrat Dan McCready. But the election results were overturned by the state after an investigation into an absentee ballot operation on Harris' behalf suggested that Dowless had improperly collected and possibly tampered with ballots. https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud (https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud)
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The charges above were the second set of felony charges filed. The first set of felony charges were filed in February of 2019.
NPR News February 27, 2019: North Carolina prosecutors have announced that Leslie McCrae Dowless, the political operative accused of illegally collecting absentee ballots in that state's 9th Congressional District, has been indicted on charges of obstruction of justice and possessing absentee ballots.
North Carolina election officials voted unanimously last week to order a new election in the race after four days of testimony laid out how Dowless and his associates collected absentee ballots on behalf of Republican candidate Mark Harris, a felony under state law.
Harris announced Tuesday that he would not run in the new election. In testimony before the State Board of Elections last week, he denied that he was aware of any illegal acts on behalf of his campaign. But Harris' claims were undermined by testimony from his son John, who said he warned his father about Dowless' tactics.
In a statement, Kim Strach, the executive director of the State Board of Elections, said the indictments "should serve as a stern warning to anyone trying to defraud elections in North Carolina."
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/27/political-operative-at-center-of-tainted-n-c-election-charged (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/27/698606483/political-operative-at-center-of-tainted-n-c-election-charged)
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Well then, you must be a Kurd.
You're just creating a straw man diversion to protect Democrats who are opposed to effective monitoring of voting.
So far in this one thread, you have assigned to me an ethnicity and a motive neither of which are correct. Should I choose to reveal any personal details or describe any motivation that I may have for what I write, I'm quite capable of doing so myself... and with greater accuracy.
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On point TED talk about representative democracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE). As a warning, it is critical of the current US processes and he makes some suggestions for improvement.
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On point TED talk about representative democracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJy8vTu66tE). As a warning, it is critical of the current US processes and he makes some suggestions for improvement.
His initial and main point is as follows: "Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig makes the case that our democracy has become corrupt with money, leading to inequality that means only 0.02% of the United States population actually determines who's in power."
What's interesting is his speech was made in 2015. Trump, a populist, went on to prove him wrong the following year in 2016 election as he beat all the traditional insiders who were monied. (Bush had $100 million war chest but got a miniscule 3% of the nomination votes). It is true had Trump lost, than Hillary who all the monied interests supported and who now support Biden, including Republican insiders, would have won. So if that happens, we will revert to what he suggests again in 2020. It's the insiders who want Biden. He has no support from the people. No one is interested in him. He was pushed to the lead by democrat insiders who pushed Sanders to the side. It's the insiders who want Biden elected. It is they who will control him as a puppet to get what they, not the people, want.
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Let's not get started on Kayleigh. I treasure her press briefings, especially the interplay with other female reporters who are telling her that she's full of shit. But Kayleigh is made of teflon -- the comments slide right by her and she doesn't even blink, just keeps going with that inane, and possibly insane, smile, because she doesn't recognize the fact that the reporters are telling her that she's an idiot. And she looks so much like Barbie! Andy Warhol would have loved her as much as I do! She's the Republican female dream, and you gotta respect that!
Yes, she doesn't have the scowl of Sarah Sanders or the discomfort of Sean Spicer. She just gets out there and tells it like it is. It's like a breath of air but I'm unsure how fresh it is.
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Doesn't your pension increase with inflation?
Most pensions that I am familiar with, including my own, are fixed and do not increase. Some trade unions may have negotiated for adjustable pensions but those can be terminated by the company through bankruptcy proceedings. My old company stopped their pension program five years ago so all new employees would not get a pension on retirement, only a 401(k) plan. I got out at the right time.
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Most pensions that I am familiar with, including my own, are fixed and do not increase. Some trade unions may have negotiated for adjustable pensions but those can be terminated by the company through bankruptcy proceedings. My old company stopped their pension program five years ago so all new employees would not get a pension on retirement, only a 401(k) plan. I got out at the right time.
Canada pension and my wife's teacher's pension both increase with inflation as does Old Age security.
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For Canadian residents, CBC has an interesting 10 min. online interview with John Bolton by Adrienne Arsenault.
The video starts with Trump saying that Bolton is maybe not telling the truth and that he is known for not telling the truth.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1758622275621
The video is available also on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB4hewDLiSI
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For our European (and Canadian, and Latin American) friends who are wondering if the current US president is hedging ever close to fascism, be aware that the president has just commuted the prison sentence of a felon who was convicted of lying to cover for said president.
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For our European (and Canadian, and Latin American) friends who are wondering if the current US president is hedging ever close to fascism, be aware that the president has just commuted the prison sentence of a felon who was convicted of lying to cover for said president.
James, I had no doubt.
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For our European (and Canadian, and Latin American) friends who are wondering if the current US president is hedging ever close to fascism, be aware that the president has just commuted the prison sentence of a felon who was convicted of lying to cover for said president.
What has that to do with fascism? Left-wing despots have freed, or simply arranged for no prosecution of, those who support them.
Jeremy
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What has that to do with fascism? Left-wing despots have freed, or simply arranged for no prosecution of, those who support them.
Jeremy
Call it what you want. We had some time ago another individual around who also propagated the notion "WE first" (Deutschland über alles), used a ridiculous cap, in this case with an eagle instead of a Baseball one, used a preposterous forelock, black not blonde, bullied everybody around just to show his power, fancied himself infallible and almighty, gave the blame of all problems to the "others", disposed of friend or foe if he was in his way and many other character traits which describe a special personality.
Go figure.
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What has that to do with fascism? Left-wing despots have freed, or simply arranged for no prosecution of, those who support them.
Jeremy
And? I’d offer the same warning if we were discussing Chavez, at which point I guess you’d complain that “fascist” is more correctly associated with the right, and around and around we’d go. But call it authoritarianism, cronyism, whateversuitsyouism...
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What has that to do with fascism? Left-wing despots have freed, or simply arranged for no prosecution of, those who support them.
Jeremy
James Clark said nothing about left-wingers. He suggested that a President with clear fascist tendencies (if you're unfamiliar with fascist tendencies, you might google them) is edging closer to an outright fascist position, by overturning the rule of law by commuting the sentence of a man who was convicted of several felonies committed in support of that President. Makes perfectly good sense to me.
One thing that many, not, all, American conservatives refuse to see is that us liberals (and I'm very moderately liberal) worry about Trump not because he has a few identifiable conservative-like policies, but because he has many fascist-like tendencies, and fascism and conservatism don't have a lot to do with each other.
Here is an advertisement from a conservative group (the Lincoln Project) concerning Trump. It's on Youtube, and is quite short:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nytBEWbwOkw
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For our European (and Canadian, and Latin American) friends who are wondering if the current US president is hedging ever close to fascism, be aware that the president has just commuted the prison sentence of a felon who was convicted of lying to cover for said president.
President Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich a fugitive from American justice for years. Rich gave millions to Clinton and the Democrats to smooth the way. A lot of people were upset Clinton pardoned him. But no one called him a fascist. Presidential pardons are legal.
Clinton pardon of Rich a saga of power, money
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-clinton-pardons-analysis-story.html
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President Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich a fugitive from American justice for years. Rich gave millions to Clinton and the Democrats to smooth the way. A lot of people were upset Clinton pardoned him. But no one called him a fascist. Presidential pardons are legal.
Clinton pardon of Rich a saga of power, money
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-clinton-pardons-analysis-story.html
Did I miss the part of that article where Marc Rich was committing crimes on behalf of Bill Clinton, who then pardoned him? That's sort of a relevant point, don't you think?
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Obama issued more presidential executive orders than Trump. In fact, except for Bush, Trump has issued less than any other president since the early 1900's. Of course, that could change if he wins a second term. All these fascist comments are just politics. Additionally, when the courts reversed any of Trump's orders, as they do with most presidential orders, he followed the law. He didn't ignore the courts decisions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
Grover Cleveland (second term) 140
William McKinley 185
Theodore Roosevelt 1,081
William Howard Taft 724
Woodrow Wilson 1,803
Warren G. Harding 522
Calvin Coolidge 1,203
Herbert Hoover 968
Franklin D. Roosevelt (a little over 3 terms) 3,522
Harry S. Truman 907
Dwight D. Eisenhower 484
John F. Kennedy 214
Lyndon B. Johnson 325
Richard Nixon 346
Gerald R. Ford 169
Jimmy Carter 320
Ronald Reagan 381
George H. W. Bush 166
Bill Clinton[17] 308
George W. Bush 291
Barack Obama 276
Donald Trump (as of May 24, 2020) 159
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Correction to my last post. Trump even issued less orders than Bush. The last president who issued less was Grover Cleveland during his second term that ended in 1897.
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I believe that ignoring the question and instead introducing the subject of executive orders in a discussion of pardons is called a non sequitur.
However, I will concede the point that, compared to previous presidents, Trump really hasn't done that much, for which we should all be grateful.
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I believe introducing the subject of executive orders in a discussion of pardons is called a non sequitur.
Most accusations about Trump are hype. When you start looking at the facts, you find he hasn't done most of what people claim. I presented a chart of his presidential orders that shows he's less ambitious about getting his way, much less than all other presidents for the last 120 years. If you want to see who had fascist tendencies, look at Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt's numbers. Now FDR was a guy who not only tried, but in fact did change America with his socialist fascist tendencies.
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James Clark said nothing about left-wingers. He suggested that a President with clear fascist tendencies (if you're unfamiliar with fascist tendencies, you might google them) is edging closer to an outright fascist position, by overturning the rule of law by commuting the sentence of a man who was convicted of several felonies committed in support of that President. Makes perfectly good sense to me.
I know he didn't. That was rather my point.
The question of his possibly "overturning the rule of law" depends on whether his commutation of the sentence was intra vires. I've not seen any suggestion that he couldn't (a legal or constitutional matter, as opposed to the moral shouldn't) have done what he did.
Jeremy
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Most accusations about Trump are hype. When you start looking at the facts, you find he hasn't done most of what people claim. I presented a chart of his presidential orders that shows he's less ambitious about getting his way, much less than all other presidents for the last 120 years. If you want to see who had fascist tendencies, look at Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt's numbers. Now FDR was a guy who not only tried, but in fact did change America with his socialist fascist tendencies.
Like I said, I will concede the point that, compared to previous presidents, Trump really hasn't done that much, for which we should all be grateful.
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The question of his possibly "overturning the rule of law" depends on whether his commutation of the sentence was intra vires.
There is very little case law on the use of the presidential power to issue pardons and commute sentences, but what there is suggests that it is not in general subject to judicial challenge. The normal remedy for abuse of that power would be impeachment by Congress. There may be a few edge-case exceptions: e.g., if a president issued a pardon to himself for a crime committed before or during his term in office. Trump has asserted that he has "the absolute right to pardon myself," but I am skeptical that a self-issued presidential pardon would serve as an effective defense to a federal criminal charge.
Note that the constitutional pardon power only extends to federal prosecutions; the overwhelming majority of crimes in the United States are prosecuted in the state courts. A grand jury conducting a criminal investigation in New York has issued a subpoena to an accounting firm that worked on Trump's state taxes for copies of his tax returns. The nature of the investigation is not publicly known. (The substance of a grand jury proceeding in the United States is not subject to public disclosure unless and until an indictment is issued.)
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I know he didn't. That was rather my point.
The question of his possibly "overturning the rule of law" depends on whether his commutation of the sentence was intra vires. I've not seen any suggestion that he couldn't (a legal or constitutional matter, as opposed to the moral shouldn't) have done what he did.
Jeremy
No one disputes the general authority of the President to issue pardons or commutations. Doing so to obstruct justice (or presumably in the furtherance of other criminal acts) would theoretically be illegal, however, and beyond the authority of the President. (I say theoretically because I'm unaware of it having ever been tested).
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There is very little case law on the use of the presidential power to issue pardons and commute sentences, but what there is suggests that it is not in general subject to judicial challenge. The normal remedy for abuse of that power would be impeachment by Congress. There may be a few edge-case exceptions: e.g., if a president issued a pardon to himself for a crime committed before or during his term in office. Trump has asserted that he has "the absolute right to pardon myself," but I am skeptical that a self-issued presidential pardon would serve as an effective defense to a federal criminal charge.
To this point, Bill Barr was asked a related question and answered pretty directly that "[it] would be a crime [for a President to] issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient's promise not incriminate him..."
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Obstruction of Justice was not charged when the Democrats in the House of Representatives impeached Trump even though they claimed for years that he was guilty of it.
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I know he didn't. That was rather my point.
The question of his possibly "overturning the rule of law" depends on whether his commutation of the sentence was intra vires. I've not seen any suggestion that he couldn't (a legal or constitutional matter, as opposed to the moral shouldn't) have done what he did.
Jeremy
Naturally, none of these things are mutually exclusive, a person can engage in an action for which they have the proper authority (intra vires); engage in that action with the intent to commit a criminal or corrupt act (a legal or constitutional matter); which is also morally objectionable and shouldn't have been done.
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Most accusations about Trump are hype. When you start looking at the facts, you find he hasn't done most of what people claim. I presented a chart of his presidential orders that shows he's less ambitious about getting his way, much less than all other presidents for the last 120 years. If you want to see who had fascist tendencies, look at Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt's numbers. Now FDR was a guy who not only tried, but in fact did change America with his socialist fascist tendencies.
8-)
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I know he didn't. That was rather my point.
The question of his possibly "overturning the rule of law" depends on whether his commutation of the sentence was intra vires. I've not seen any suggestion that he couldn't (a legal or constitutional matter, as opposed to the moral shouldn't) have done what he did.
Jeremy
I don't believe that's necessarily so, at least, not in all cases. A person can do something for which he has legal authority, but it's nevertheless illegal if done for "wrong" or corrupt reasons. For example, an employer can fire an employee for being incompetent, but not for being old, or because he/she belongs to a racial or religious group. Then, what is normally a legal act becomes illegal -- the common formulation in the newspapers here is that you can fire somebody for any reason except a wrong one. If Trump commuted Stone's sentence because Stone refused to talk about Trump's crimes, that's a corrupt deal and would be illegal.
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8-)
Remember the original Star Trek series where Captain Kirk would destroy a computer (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Induced_self-destruction) by making it consider contradictory information?
That's happening to Jeremy right this instant ;)
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I don't believe that's necessarily so, at least, not in all cases. A person can do something for which he has legal authority, but it's nevertheless illegal if done for "wrong" or corrupt reasons. For example, an employer can fire an employee for being incompetent, but not for being old, or because he/she belongs to a racial or religious group. Then, what is normally a legal act becomes illegal -- the common formulation in the newspapers here is that you can fire somebody for any reason except a wrong one. If Trump commuted Stone's sentence because Stone refused to talk about Trump's crimes, that's a corrupt deal and would be illegal.
Mueller spent $30 million, interviewed hundreds, and subpoenaed hundreds more. His conclusion was that neither Trump, nor anyone in his campaign, in fact no one in America colluded or conspired with the Russians. But somehow, you know that Stone is hiding something that Mueller could not find after two years of investigating and that Trump made a secret deal with him.
You know it's simply that Trump after all these fake charges against him felt that his friend Stone was gone after for political reasons relating to the fake Russian charges and he didn't want his friend to spend the rest of his life in jail for a BS charge fabricated by Hillary Clinton dossier and corrupt officials in the Obama administration included the FBI and CIA who wanted to destroy the Trump administration. The fact Trump did this now before the election with all the negative fallout and not afterwards, actually shows loyalty, something many people accuse him of not having.
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Mueller spent $30 million, interviewed hundreds, and subpoenaed hundreds more. His conclusion was that neither Trump, nor anyone in his campaign, in fact no one in America colluded or conspired with the Russians. But somehow, you know that Stone is hiding something that Mueller could not find after two years of investigating and that Trump made a secret deal with him.
That's not at all what he concluded. I could find links to articles and podcasts about the subject, but I won't because you won't read or listen to them.
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Mueller spent $30 million, interviewed hundreds, and subpoenaed hundreds more. His conclusion was that neither Trump, nor anyone in his campaign, in fact no one in America colluded or conspired with the Russians.
Actually, Special Counsel Mueller and his staff concluded that the contacts they discovered between the Trump campaign and individuals connected to the Russian attempt to influence the election were insufficient to sustain a prosecution for criminal conspiracy.
The Office considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy—either under statutes that have their own conspiracy language (e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 1349, 1951(a)), or under the general conspiracy statute (18 U.S.C. § 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts [previously described in the report] amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal criminal law—including foreign-influence and campaign-finance laws . . .
— Report, p. 181
However, the investigation concluded that some campaign officials did make false statements to federal investigators as well as engage in other attempts to obstruct justice.
[A]lthough the evidence of contacts between Campaign officials and Russia-affiliated individuals may not have been sufficient to establish or sustain criminal charges, several U.S. persons connected to the Campaign made false statements about those contacts and took other steps to obstruct the Office’s investigation and those of Congress. This Office has therefore charged some of those individuals with making false statements and obstructing justice.
— Report, p. 180
The second section of the report also enumerated a number of instances where Trump himself arguably attempted to obstruct justice—and included evidence that would have been more than sufficient to sustain an indictment of any other individual—but the Special Counsel declined to offer a conclusion regarding whether these constituted violations of criminal statutes because Department of Justice policy precludes charging an incumbent president with a federal crime.
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Actually, Special Counsel Mueller and his staff concluded that the contacts they discovered between the Trump campaign and individuals connected to the Russian attempt to influence the election were insufficient to sustain a prosecution for criminal conspiracy.
However, the investigation concluded that some campaign officials did make false statements to federal investigators as well as engage in other attempts to obstruct justice.
The second section of the report also enumerated a number of instances where Trump himself arguably attempted to obstruct justice—and included evidence that would have been more than sufficient to sustain an indictment of any other individual—but the Special Counsel declined to offer a conclusion regarding whether these constituted violations of criminal statutes because Department of Justice policy precludes charging an incumbent president with a federal crime.
In America, prosecutors like Mueller don't find people innocent. They find that the evidence does not reach a level where they can prove guilt You guys will never believe Trump didn't conspire with the Russians even though Mueller said he didn't. Re-arguing his conclusion is a waste of time.
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Trump announced in the Rose Garden that Biden would forbid buildings to have windows. I'm appalled by this, our windowless future. He said Biden's mandates would produce buildings that are hot in the summer, cold in the winter. The monster. Who knew, before the Glorious Leader revealed this plot? Free our windows!
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I went back and re-read my previous post. And more closely read a story about the Rose Garden event. I was mocking Trump, but seriously, the guy has gone 'round the bend; he's f*ckin' bonkers. Or as my redneck friends would say, crazier than a sh*thouse mouse. Will we make it to January without some enormous, historic tragedy, beyond even the Covid-19? I think that has to be a major concern now.
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Outlook looking good to better each day
Republican Voters Against Trump (RVAT), wants to boot Trump out of office later this year... a lifelong supporter of the Republican party, does she really want Biden to win? Lewell says she absolutely, unequivocally does.
“Donald Trump has a negative impact on the future of the Republican party,” says Lewell. “He has sort of hijacked it, and really poisoned the country, and has turned it into a nationalist populist party. There’s a section of Republicans who do not find that attractive, and I’m one of them. The best thing for the party long term is for him to get defeated soundly, and for the party to rethink its direction.”
Then,
Joe Biden had no tougher opponent on the debate stage than Kamala Harris ... last week she threw him a fundraiser, on the same day that Elizabeth Warren, with whom Mr Biden also sparred, appeared at an event for him. Their enthusiasm for their one-time rival may not be simple partisan duty. A recent Monmouth poll put the two women first and second among Democratic primary voters’ vice-presidential preferences.
Elizabeth Warren ? If remotely true, it’s game on - you couldn’t give Trump a better present. Hard to believe that the Dems haven’t learnt that a unified broadly centrist drive is required to boot the the orange donald out of office. Someone please tell me it’s not even a remote possibility.
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Outlook looking good to better each day
Then,
Elizabeth Warren ? If remotely true, it’s game on - you couldn’t give Trump a better present. Hard to believe that the Dems haven’t learnt that a unified broadly centrist drive is required to boot the the orange donald out of office. Someone please tell me it’s not even a remote possibility.
I don't think it is, really. In reality, she'd be a good choice from a policy perspective. She's well-prepared and policy oriented in a way that's in tune with the progressive wing of the party in a way that Biden never will be.
But you're right - politically she's a poor choice. She's an easy target for the right to cry about "socialism" and an easy target for the progs to complain about POC voices being unheard again. Harris is, in my opinion, the "political" choice and the best choice out there, although I've seen some quiet suggestions about Valerie Jarrett, which would be an inspired, if risky choice.
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I think Val Demings would be the right pick. Former police chief, two term representative, tough, articulate, black, female and ***popular in Florida.***
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Trump is at it again with the cognitive ability test. I thought he had pretty much maxed out on the subject with Chris Wallace on Sunday, but apparently there was more to say. Since not everyone subscribes to the New York Times, I'll give you a long quote:
“It was 30 to 35 questions,” Mr. Trump said. “The first questions are very easy. The last questions are much more difficult. Like a memory question. It’s, like, you’ll go: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. So they say, ‘Could you repeat that?’ So I said, ‘Yeah. It’s: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.’”
“‘OK, that’s very good. If you get it in order you get extra points,’” Mr. Trump said a doctor told him. “OK, now he’s asking you other questions, other questions, and then, 10 minutes, 15, 20 minutes later they say, ‘Remember that first question — not the first — but the 10th question? Give us that again. Can you do that again?’”
“And you go: ‘Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV,’” Mr. Trump said. “If you get it in order, you get extra points.”
“They said nobody gets it in order,” Mr. Trump said. “It’s actually not that easy, but for me, it was easy. And that’s not an easy question. In other words, they ask it to you, they give you five names and you have to repeat ’em. And that’s OK. If you repeat ’em out of order, it’s OK, but, you know, it’s not as good. But when you go back about 20, 25 minutes later and they say go back to that — they don’t tell you this — ‘Go back to that question and repeat ’em, can you do it?’ And you go: ‘Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.’
“They say, ‘That’s amazing. How did you do that?’” Mr. Trump continued. “I do it because I have, like, a good memory, because I’m cognitively there. Now, Joe should take that test, because something’s going on. And, and, I say this with respect. I mean — going to probably happen to all of us, right? You know? It’s going to happen.”
Isn't obsessing over stuff an indicator of a mental impairment, or at least a personality disorder? I mean like when you went to the nursing home to visit your aunt and she kept telling you the same stories over and over again, didn't you just smile and nod, and when you got back in the car you just sat there for a minute with your hands on the steering wheel, sighed, and said to yourself: "Boy, she has really lost it." That's just what comes to mind for me.
So it looks like we have a choice in November: vote for a guy who can ace the test but can't stop talking about it, or vote for a guy who maybe doesn't get all the answers right the first time around, but otherwise seems to be a normal human being. Really, who do want taking that 3:00 am call, the guy who says "What's the problem?" or the guy that says "Hey, before we get started, I just want to tell you about this cognitive ability test I aced a couple of years ago. I'm really amazing." Wouldn't it be a shame if the missile reached New York before he finished his story?
Then there is this other question nagging at me: if Trump got extra points for getting the words in the correct order, why did he only score 30 out of 30? Seems like he should have gotten a 33 or something.
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Trump is at it again with the cognitive ability test. I thought he had pretty much maxed out on the subject with Chris Wallace on Sunday, but apparently there was more to say. Since not everyone subscribes to the New York Times, I'll give you a long quote:
Isn't obsessing over stuff an indicator of a mental impairment, or at least a personality disorder? I mean like when you went to the nursing home to visit your aunt and she kept telling you the same stories over and over again, didn't you just smile and nod, and when you got back in the car you just sat there for a minute with your hands on the steering wheel, sighed, and said to yourself: "Boy, she has really lost it." That's just what comes to mind for me.
So it looks like we have a choice in November: vote for a guy who can ace the test but can't stop talking about it, or vote for a guy who maybe doesn't get all the answers right the first time around, but otherwise seems to be a normal human being. Really, who do want taking that 3:00 am call, the guy who says "What's the problem?" or the guy that says "Hey, before we get started, I just want to tell you about this cognitive ability test I aced a couple of years ago. I'm really amazing."
Then there is this other question nagging at me: if Trump got extra points for getting the words in the correct order, why did he only score 30 out of 30? Seems like he should have gotten a 33 or something.
You'd be sensitive too if every day the leftist press called your intelligence and personality into question calling upon so-called psychologists to pass judgment from afar on his psychological makeup and intellect. I haven't seen this much of those kind of attacks since Republicans Reagan in the 1980's and Ike before him in the 1950's. Funny thing is it was the same media that attacked Regan and Ike on their supposed senility as an issue, something that Biden seems to be the one who's afflicted. Of course Biden is their guy. So they never bring it up.
In any case, no one becomes a billionaire, runs 500 businesses, a real estate empire, a successful TV program, and becomes president of the US the first time out by being a dummy. Although he's been divorced a couple of times, his children seem loving, integrated, happy and successful as well.
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You'd be sensitive too if every day the leftist press called your intelligence and personality into question calling upon so-called psychologists to pass judgment from afar on his psychological makeup and intellect. I haven't seen this much of those kind of attacks since Republicans Reagan in the 1980's and Ike before him in the 1950's. Funny thing is it was the same media that attacked Regan and Ike on their supposed senility as an issue, something that Biden seems to be the one who's afflicted. Of course Biden is their guy. So they never bring it up.
In any case, no one becomes a billionaire, runs 500 businesses, a real estate empire, a successful TV program, and becomes president of the US the first time out by being a dummy. Although he's been divorced a couple of times, his children seem loving, integrated, happy and successful as well.
Alan, read the book. You might learn a few things about Mr Trump.
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You'd be sensitive too if every day the leftist press called your intelligence and personality into question calling upon so-called psychologists to pass judgment from afar on his psychological makeup and intellect. I haven't seen this much of those kind of attacks since Republicans Reagan in the 1980's and Ike before him in the 1950's. Funny thing is it was the same media that attacked Regan and Ike on their supposed senility as an issue, something that Biden seems to be the one who's afflicted. Of course Biden is their guy. So they never bring it up.
In any case, no one becomes a billionaire, runs 500 businesses, a real estate empire, a successful TV program, and becomes president of the US the first time out by being a dummy. Although he's been divorced a couple of times, his children seem loving, integrated, happy and successful as well.
Trump is sensitive? Are you trying to be ironic?
How do we KNOW he is a billionaire? All we have is his say-so. Why can't a successful billionaire get an American bank to talk to him anymore?
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Trump is sensitive?
He is extremely sensitive to the polls that show him shedding support among critical constituencies and in states crucial to his prospects for re-election, as well as to the howls from Republican Party senators that they are at risk of losing control of the Senate. Hence his abrupt volte-face regarding wearing of facemasks and holding a large-scale Republican nominating convention in Florida, where the coronavirus numbers are figuratively and almost quite literally off-the-charts.
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Trump is sensitive? Are you trying to be ironic?
How do we KNOW he is a billionaire? All we have is his say-so. Why can't a successful billionaire get an American bank to talk to him anymore?
Trump a great businessman? Nope--if he had invested his inheritance in the S&P 500 and then gone to sleep for 40 years, he'd now have more money than he claims to have--which is an almost surely inflated figure. Not to mention the bankruptcies--5 I think. If he's a great businessman, I am the Pope of Rome.
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You'd be sensitive too if every day the leftist press called your intelligence and personality into question calling upon so-called psychologists to pass judgment from afar on his psychological makeup and intellect. I haven't seen this much of those kind of attacks since Republicans Reagan in the 1980's and Ike before him in the 1950's. Funny thing is it was the same media that attacked Regan and Ike on their supposed senility as an issue, something that Biden seems to be the one who's afflicted. Of course Biden is their guy. So they never bring it up.
There's another question on the test that I am really surprised he got right. They ask: "Tell me all of the vegetables you can think of that start with the letter "c"." Since he only eats at McDonald's and KFC, and neither "french fries" nor "mashed potatoes" start with the letter "c", and neither "cheeseburger" nor "chicken" are vegetables, how did he do it? Wait, wait...I am being told that KFC offers corn on the cob. "Corn on the cob" has two letters "c" in it, so maybe he got extra points on that question too. I am starting to see why he says he is a very stable genius. Maybe he should ask for a do-over with Chris Wallace so he can add that point. Nah, he can just tell us about it at the coronavirus briefing this afternoon.
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Trump a great businessman? Nope--if he had invested his inheritance in the S&P 500 and then gone to sleep for 40 years, he'd now have more money than he claims to have--which is an almost surely inflated figure. Not to mention the bankruptcies--5 I think. If he's a great businessman, I am the Pope of Rome.
How much of New York did you build?
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How much of New York did you build?
Speaking only for myself, none. Which probably means I've made more money than Trump dong it. ;)
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Speaking only for myself, none. Which probably means I've made more money than Trump dong it. ;)
Glad you used a smiley!
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How much of New York did you build?
I believe his father had a lot of real estate. Whether he was big in New York City terms, I have no way to judge. But I've not heard anyone say that Donald was a big real estate mogul except Donald himself.
But more to the point, who cares if Peter Ait is not big in New York City real estate. Is that supposed to mean something.
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I believe his father had a lot of real estate. Whether he was big in New York City terms, I have no way to judge. But I've not heard anyone say that Donald was a big real estate mogul except Donald himself.
But more to the point, who cares if Peter Ait is not big in New York City real estate. Is that supposed to mean something.
He was bitching and moaning about Trumps business skills. Its a fair question to ask him given his complaints.
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He's not a poor man.
"In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.). Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018, and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.
In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Bloomberg%20Billionaires%20Index%20listed%20Trump's,as%20of%205%20March%202019.
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He's not a poor man.
"In its 2018 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (766th in the world, 248th in the U.S.). Bloomberg Billionaires Index listed Trump's net worth as $2.48 billion on May 31, 2018, and Wealth-X listed it as at least $3.8 billion on July 16, 2018.
In its 2019 billionaires ranking, Forbes estimated Trump's net worth at $3.1 billion (715th in the world, 259th in the U.S.) as of 5 March 2019"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Bloomberg%20Billionaires%20Index%20listed%20Trump's,as%20of%205%20March%202019.
Apparently he has been hit hard with the plummeting economy. According to Forbes, he lost a billion dollars in asset value in March and is down to a net worth of 2.1 billion.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/04/02/trumps-net-worth-drops-1-billion-as-coronavirus-infects-the-presidents-business/#5c04108727de
Something else must have happened along the way. He said he was worth 10 billion during the 2016 campaign. I can't imagine he exaggerated. Maybe it was an aspiration statement.
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Apparently he has been hit hard with the plummeting economy. According to Forbes, he lost a billion dollars in asset value in March and is down to a net worth of 2.1 billion.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/04/02/trumps-net-worth-drops-1-billion-as-coronavirus-infects-the-presidents-business/#5c04108727de
Something else must have happened along the way. He said he was worth 10 billion during the 2016 campaign. I can't imagine he exaggerated. Maybe it was an aspiration statement.
Well, if he wins a second term, he won't be able to afford giving back his presidential salary like he did in his first term.
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As could have been expected, the infection rate in Oklahoma spiked after the Trump's rally there, and most probably some of the infected people came from also other states which would increase the infections also outside of Oklahoma.
The important thing is that the attendees were required sign a waiver preventing them from suing if they tested positive for the coronavirus afterward.
Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart says President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June "likely contributed" to the new surge of coronavirus cases in the area.
On Wednesday, Dart told the Associated Press that the large gathering "more than likely" contributed to the spike, as it drew in thousands of participants — and protesters.
"In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots," Dart said.
https://www.newsbreak.com/oklahoma/tulsa/news/1597688623383/tulsa-city-health-official-says-trump-rally-likely-contributed-to-surge-of-new-coronavirus-cases
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A left wing media called Fox News is reporting that Trump would have sent federal law enforcement to cities governed by Democrats against their will.
This is the kind of news normally read about unstable African dictatorship.
Please tell me that Fox is once again spreading fake news about the great enlightened leader?
The craziest thing is that it apparently triggered a warning from the UN human rights committee, I guess it means they are under Chinese control, right?
All in all it seems healthy to have a Republican administration reinforce Washington’s control of things. We all want more government right?
I say let’s amend the first amendment and remove the right of free speech also, at least when that freedom is misused to oppose Trump.
Cheers,
Bernard
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A left wing media called Fox News is reporting that Trump would have sent federal law enforcement to cities governed by Democrats against their will.
This is the kind of news normally read about unstable African dictatorship.
Please tell me that Fox is once again spreading fake news about the great enlightened leader?
The craziest thing is that it apparently triggered a warning from the UN human rights committee, I guess it means they are under Chinese control, right?
All in all it seems healthy to have a Republican administration reinforce Washington’s control of things. We all want more government right?
I say let’s amend the first amendment and remove the right of free speech also, at least when that freedom is misused to oppose Trump.
Cheers,
Bernard
You're being hyperbolic. Aren't Dutch national police used in Dutch demonstrations? While I think that Federal policing of local crime should be left to local police authorities, the idea that Federal cops being used for policing is unconstitutional is wrong. The Federal court just threw out a lawsuit trying to stop the Feds from doing it. Of course, I can't find the article now the media is so biased they've already hidden it from the web. (Maybe someone else can find it.) You probably never read about it since you only read leftist news media from the US.
Also, we don't operate like an "African dictatorship". We are a nation of laws. That's a pretty insulting comment you made especially when you consider how the Dutch colonized Africa killing thousands if not millions of Africans for your gain and in other Dutch colonies around the world. And today, your The Netherlands has laws that target Muslims. Maybe you should look inward before you point finger at others. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/10/01/dutch-laws-increasingly-target-muslims-rights
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That's a pretty insulting comment you made especially when you consider how the Dutch colonized Africa killing thousands if not millions of Africans for your gain and in other Dutch colonies around the world. And today, your The Netherlands has laws that target Muslims. Maybe you should look inward before you point finger at others. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/10/01/dutch-laws-increasingly-target-muslims-rights
Well, your mother wears army boots.
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Well, your mother wears army boots.
:) :) :)
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You're being hyperbolic. Aren't Dutch national police used in Dutch demonstrations? While I think that Federal policing of local crime should be left to local police authorities, the idea that Federal cops being used for policing is unconstitutional is wrong. The Federal court just threw out a lawsuit trying to stop the Feds from doing it. Of course, I can't find the article now the media is so biased they've already hidden it from the web. (Maybe someone else can find it.) You probably never read about it since you only read leftist news media from the US. <snip>
Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html
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Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html
Any arrests that were wrong, leaves the city open to monetary lawsuits. If cops violated criminal laws, they're open to criminal prosecution.
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Only one demonstrator/rioter claims that the Feds in Portland, Oregon apprehended one demonstrator/rioter and "whisked" him or her or "they" away in a van. This claim has not been verified or acknowledged by anybody. The usual hype of the radical left.
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Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause, which they didn't have, which was why some of the cops' leaders were denying that they had made arrests at all. They put people in jail, and after a while, turned the loose. Whoops, nothing to see here, folks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/portland-fourth-amendment-arrests/2020/07/24/c7e9822c-cceb-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html
I see, John, that you get your information from the Washington Post. Way to go if brainwashing is what you like to be subjected to.
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I see, John, that you get your information from the Washington Post. Way to go if brainwashing is what you like to be subjected to.
Where do you go to get your unbiased news...fox?
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Of course federal cops can make arrests. The problem in Portland was that some of the arrests were unconstitutional. To make an arrest, a cop must have probable cause
If 10% of what the world sees happening in the US is true then you guys are in real trouble.
At the end of the news the other night they showed a mob of "militia" (big kids with real guns) on one side of a road and another mob of militia facing them on the other side of the road. Everyone seemed to have an automatic weapon at the minimum. A few had rocket launchers. Then one of them shot himself accidentally. Funniest thing in the news. The police probably should just fire a few shots in the air and stand back.
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You're being hyperbolic. Aren't Dutch national police used in Dutch demonstrations?
Also, we don't operate like an "African dictatorship". We are a nation of laws. That's a pretty insulting comment you made especially when you consider how the Dutch colonized Africa killing thousands if not millions of Africans for your gain and in other Dutch colonies around the world. And today, your The Netherlands has laws that target Muslims. Maybe you should look inward before you point finger at others. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Bernard is Belgian, not Dutch.
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How much of New York did you build?
Talk about your completely irrelevant questions, sheesh.
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Talk about your completely irrelevant questions, sheesh.
I think he owns, or at least manages, eight buildings in New York, which is what, half of New York? But maybe the internet is wrong.
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Bernard is Belgian, not Dutch.
Well, sorry. But Belgium was not any better when it came to colonialism including the Belgian Congo where up to ten million Congolese died due to Belgian occupation and exploitation? Their record on discrimination against Muslims in their country is one of the worse in Europe. Look, America isn't perfect. But people should look at their own countries and straighten out their own issues before they point fingers at the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire#:~:text=Belgium%20controlled%20two%20colonies%20during,Burundi)%20from%201922%20to%201962.&text=Roughly%2098%25%20of%20Belgium's%20overseas,known%20as%20the%20Belgian%20Congo.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3431184
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Well, sorry. But Belgium was not any better when it came to colonialism including the Belgian Congo where up to ten million Congolese died due to Belgian occupation and exploitation? Their record on discrimination against Muslims in their country is one of the worse in Europe. Look, America isn't perfect. But people should look at their own countries and straighten out their own issues before they point fingers at the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire#:~:text=Belgium%20controlled%20two%20colonies%20during,Burundi)%20from%201922%20to%201962.&text=Roughly%2098%25%20of%20Belgium's%20overseas,known%20as%20the%20Belgian%20Congo.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3431184
Seems like you live in a glass house and are throwing stones at Belgium. So what makes you special that it is okay for you to do.
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Talk about your completely irrelevant questions, sheesh.
So in other words your real estate business experience is considerably less than the guy whos real estate business you want to trash.. OK, got it.
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Well, sorry.
That’s ok.
Just thought you might at least want to get the correct nationality before you skewer him (Bernard). In their (Belgian) defence though they do lay claim to inventing ‘french fries’ (contested by the French) whilst all the Dutch gave us were two poxy cheeses, Gouda and Edam.
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Well, sorry. But Belgium was not any better when it came to colonialism including the Belgian Congo where up to ten million Congolese died due to Belgian occupation and exploitation?
This is pointless. The US was a nation founded on the preservation of slavery. It forced indigenous peoples off lands that were given to them in treaties and then consigned to reservations. A little inward reflection should relieve you of the desire to throw stones at others.
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Seems like you live in a glass house and are throwing stones at Belgium. So what makes you special that it is okay for you to do.
Because Bernard is constantly criticising my country-America, calling all sorts of vile names. If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out.
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That’s ok.
Just thought you might at least want to get the correct nationality before you skewer him (Bernard). In their (Belgian) defence though they do lay claim to inventing ‘french fries’ (contested by the French) whilst all the Dutch gave us were two poxy cheeses, Gouda and Edam.
Well, I really like French fries. So I guess they're really not that bad after all. :)
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This is pointless. The US was a nation founded on the preservation of slavery. It forced indigenous peoples off lands that were given to them in treaties and then consigned to reservations. A little inward reflection should relieve you of the desire to throw stones at others.
You're late to the discussion and should stay out of it. He threw the first stone and insulted America. As an American, you ought to stand up for it instead of accepting insults from others.
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You're late to the discussion and should stay out of it. He threw the first stone and insulted America. As an American, you ought to stand up for it instead of accepting insults from others.
Unless the insult is based on facts.
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Unless the insult is based on facts.
I said America isn't perfect. But it's not polite to insult others here in the forum or their country. If he keeps it up, I'll keep it up.
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I said America isn't perfect. But it's not polite to insult others here in the forum or their country. If he keeps it up, I'll keep it up.
I thought you said you were 75.
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Well, sorry. But Belgium was not any better when it came to colonialism including the Belgian Congo where up to ten million Congolese died due to Belgian occupation and exploitation? Their record on discrimination against Muslims in their country is one of the worse in Europe. Look, America isn't perfect. But people should look at their own countries and straighten out their own issues before they point fingers at the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_colonial_empire#:~:text=Belgium%20controlled%20two%20colonies%20during,Burundi)%20from%201922%20to%201962.&text=Roughly%2098%25%20of%20Belgium's%20overseas,known%20as%20the%20Belgian%20Congo.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3431184
whatever...
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You're late to the discussion and should stay out of it. He threw the first stone and insulted America. As an American, you ought to stand up for it instead of accepting insults from others.
Why should he stay out of it?
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If he keeps it up, I'll keep it up.
Sigh. So much for "geopolitics, informed debate."
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yeah, that's what can happen when you use ketchup instead of mayo on the french fries ;) ;D
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Does anyone actually believe “polls” like this anymore, especially after the egg on face last round of manipulative malarky during the lady election? They have no fresh ideas in the press, so why not try it again - somebody i bound to believe us and if it
Gets the USA closet to the
Communist utopia, then the lie is heroic truth. As an escape from communism, where my father funneled makes ney to the west to buy journalists ‘of the right ideals’ when in the army for i can vouch for the fact that the tactics never change. A sucker born every day does not belong to Barnum only.
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Does anyone actually believe “polls” like this anymore, especially after the egg on face last round of manipulative malarky during the lady election?
Yes. But that requires an understanding of what polls are and what they are not. Polls give an indication of a probability of a result not a prediction of a result. On average in 2016, national polling was quite accurate regarding the popular vote. At the state level, results were less accurate, as they usually are, but not very far off from average polling error.
Still, the very slim margins (0.2% to 0.8%) in a few key states which were won by Trump were within the margin of polling error. Put another way, if Clinton had received just 1% more of the actual vote in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, she would have won the electoral vote in addition to her win of the popular vote.
One poll is just one sample taken of a moment in time. Individual pollsters vary in their historic accuracy and methodology. Poll aggregators are generally a better indicator of what a result may be... within the margin of error of course. Of the poll aggregators, 538 is my preference. They have a deep understanding of polling and statistical analysis. They have measured the accuracy of various pollsters and have ratings for them. They have sophisticated methods for weighting their poll averages and have a realistic outlook on polling.
Here's the headline of an article that 538 published just a few days before the election in 2016; "Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/) Their article the day after election day is also revealing... https://fivethirtyeight.com/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes/?ex_cid=2016-forecast) A 2018 analysis of the state of polling with a lot of data showing past error rates... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/)
You can find the latest results from 538 here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Pollster ratings are located here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/?ex_cid=irpromo)
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Yes. But that requires an understanding of what polls are and what they are not. Polls give an indication of a probability of a result not a prediction of a result. On average in 2016, national polling was quite accurate regarding the popular vote. At the state level, results were less accurate, as they usually are, but not very far off from average polling error.
Still, the very slim margins (0.2% to 0.8%) in a few key states which were won by Trump were within the margin of polling error. Put another way, if Clinton had received just 1% more of the actual vote in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, she would have won the electoral vote in addition to her win of the popular vote.
One poll is just one sample taken of a moment in time. Individual pollsters vary in their historic accuracy and methodology. Poll aggregators are generally a better indicator of what a result may be... within the margin of error of course. Of the poll aggregators, 538 is my preference. They have a deep understanding of polling and statistical analysis. They have measured the accuracy of various pollsters and have ratings for them. They have sophisticated methods for weighting their poll averages and have a realistic outlook on polling.
Here's the headline of an article that 538 published just a few days before the election in 2016; "Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/) Their article the day after election day is also revealing... https://fivethirtyeight.com/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes/?ex_cid=2016-forecast) A 2018 analysis of the state of polling with a lot of data showing past error rates... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/)
You can find the latest results from 538 here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Pollster ratings are located here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/?ex_cid=irpromo)
Excellent. All of which goes to prove that Trump was elected by an anomaly of arithmetic, not by informed choice of the electorate.
Hopefully, they'll have learned from their mistake.
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Excellent. All of which goes to prove that Trump was elected by an anomaly of arithmetic, not by informed choice of the electorate.
Hopefully, they'll have learned from their mistake.
When asked about the polls today, part of Trump's stable genius reply was...
"When you look at Florida, as an example, you have thousands of boat out on — boats out in the ocean, out in the Intracoastal. You look at other states where, likewise, you have thousands of boats, and they’re all waving the Trump sign — Trump-Pence sign — and they’re so proud. Thousands and thousands. You’ve seen it — where you have Bikers for Trump with lines that are miles long on highways going along on weekends."
I mean, what can you say in response to that?
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The usual hype of the radical left.
the Washington Post. Way to go if brainwashing is what you like
There's a kid waiting for you to tell him to get off your lawn.
Just out of curiosity, do you give thoughtful consideration to something before you apply an ideological inflammatory label to it or only afterward?
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Yes. But that requires an understanding of what polls are and what they are not. Polls give an indication of a probability of a result not a prediction of a result. On average in 2016, national polling was quite accurate regarding the popular vote. At the state level, results were less accurate, as they usually are, but not very far off from average polling error.
Still, the very slim margins (0.2% to 0.8%) in a few key states which were won by Trump were within the margin of polling error. Put another way, if Clinton had received just 1% more of the actual vote in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, she would have won the electoral vote in addition to her win of the popular vote.
One poll is just one sample taken of a moment in time. Individual pollsters vary in their historic accuracy and methodology. Poll aggregators are generally a better indicator of what a result may be... within the margin of error of course. Of the poll aggregators, 538 is my preference. They have a deep understanding of polling and statistical analysis. They have measured the accuracy of various pollsters and have ratings for them. They have sophisticated methods for weighting their poll averages and have a realistic outlook on polling.
Here's the headline of an article that 538 published just a few days before the election in 2016; "Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton" https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-behind-clinton/) Their article the day after election day is also revealing... https://fivethirtyeight.com/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-a-difference-2-percentage-points-makes/?ex_cid=2016-forecast) A 2018 analysis of the state of polling with a lot of data showing past error rates... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/)
You can find the latest results from 538 here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Pollster ratings are located here... https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/?ex_cid=irpromo)
You're re-writing electoral history. Hillary was favored 10 to 1. No one expected her to lose, including Trump. Everyone was stunned.
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You're re-writing electoral history. Hillary was favored 10 to 1. No one expected her to lose, including Trump. Everyone was stunned.
And the USA and the world is better for it!
If the armed guard of the Democratic Party (BLM and Antifa) are tearing down statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others because of cancel culture mandates for owning slaves, then the Democratic Party must be canceled for their violent history of slavery, KKK, John Crow and for not giving one single vote to ratify the 14th and 15th amendments to the US Constitution.
Cheers,
Bud
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Never understood this; "the winner takes it all " attitude.
if you win by 0,1 % than you should also respect the wishes of this other part.
At least here in the Netherlands they do.
No wonder the US is getting more and more divided.
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You're re-writing electoral history. Hillary was favored 10 to 1. ...
You might be re-writing a little history there yourself.
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I mean, what can you say in response to that?
He's completely lost it?
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Never understood this; "the winner takes it all " attitude.
if you win by 0,1 % than you should also respect the wishes of this other part.
At least here in the Netherlands they do.
No wonder the US is getting more and more divided.
That attitude is bizarre, isn't it. You would think that people would behave differently just because there's another election coming up in a few short years, so instead of only catering to the people who voted for you, you would benefit from establishing links with those who didn't. But these days sometimes it appears as though the emphasis is on punishing those voters instead. Pretty short-sighted, but then our culture is short-sighted.
I think of it as the old geezer syndrome. I'm old and I'm cranky and, goddammit, people are going to do what I tell them to. Religions are prone to this as are privately companies, being strictly hierarchical you can see how people at the top think they are right about everything. Do people want freedom, or do they really want freedom to conform?
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He's completely lost it?
isn't that making a big assumption ? ;) ;D
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isn't that making a big assumption ? ;) ;D
You mean that he ever had it to begin with?
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You're re-writing electoral history. Hillary was favored 10 to 1. No one expected her to lose, including Trump. Everyone was stunned.
I expected her to either win by a slim margin or lose by a slim margin. I was not stunned at all.
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And the USA and the world is better for it!
If the armed guard of the Democratic Party (BLM and Antifa) are tearing down statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and others because of cancel culture mandates for owning slaves, then the Democratic Party must be canceled for their violent history of slavery, KKK, John Crow and for not giving one single vote to ratify the 14th and 15th amendments to the US Constitution.
Cheers,
Bud
It is difficult to tell if this post is sarcasm or the reflection of someone who knows very little about American history.
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He's completely lost it?
That has long been the case. Many simply refuse to acknowledge the fact.
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When asked about the polls today, part of Trump's stable genius reply was...
"When you look at Florida, as an example, you have thousands of boat out on — boats out in the ocean, out in the Intracoastal. You look at other states where, likewise, you have thousands of boats, and they’re all waving the Trump sign — Trump-Pence sign — and they’re so proud. Thousands and thousands. You’ve seen it — where you have Bikers for Trump with lines that are miles long on highways going along on weekends."
I mean, what can you say in response to that?
"Verbal dysentery."
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You might be re-writing a little history there yourself.
I was trying to make a point. OK, so she had an 87% chance of winning one month before the election. That's about 7 to 1? Then she went down to a still large
2 1/2 to 1 because of the server issue and her lies about her cell phone and lying about secrets. But even then, no one was expecting her to lose. Every expert was showing how Trump couldn't put together a way to win. Until he did.
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Here's the link on the odds. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
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Never understood this; "the winner takes it all " attitude.
if you win by 0,1 % than you should also respect the wishes of this other part.
At least here in the Netherlands they do.
No wonder the US is getting more and more divided.
I assume the Netherlands is a Parliamentary type system where the PM is voted in by his fellow Ministers of Parliament. It doesn;t work that way here. The COngress can be made up of a total separate party than the president. So their position can be totally opposite what the president wants. These checks and balances in our system is limited by a division of power between the legislature (The senate and house of representatives in Congress)and the president. The Congress represents the people from every congressional district and state who sent them to Washington. Our founders set it up this way because they wanted to limit central power. A Parliamentary system gives too much power to government because there's no real separation between the legislative and executive branches. Of course, in America, we have had periods when they were all from the same party. So unfortunately during those periods, many bad laws were passed as the party ran roughshod over the party out of power. America is better off when there's a division so it's had to pass these stupid laws.
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That attitude is bizarre, isn't it. You would think that people would behave differently just because there's another election coming up in a few short years, so instead of only catering to the people who voted for you, you would benefit from establishing links with those who didn't. But these days sometimes it appears as though the emphasis is on punishing those voters instead. Pretty short-sighted, but then our culture is short-sighted.
I think of it as the old geezer syndrome. I'm old and I'm cranky and, goddammit, people are going to do what I tell them to. Religions are prone to this as are privately companies, being strictly hierarchical you can see how people at the top think they are right about everything. Do people want freedom, or do they really want freedom to conform?
Nominees for president usually move to the middle right before elections in the hope they can pull off some votes from the other side. It's why you see Trump wearing a mask and Biden coming out in favor of the working man. Trump finds this difficult to do because he just started in politics four years ago. Biden on the other hand, has been in politics so long he can change colors by the second like a chameleon and has forgotten who he is because of it.
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... These checks and balances in our system is limited ...
Our PM is not able to get his friends out of jail...
But then there is no reason to put them in jail in the first place...
Our PM does not interfere with the work justice department - it is not possible. Any attempt would be the end of the line.
A man like Trump would not even make it to be chosen chaiman of the local football club, maybe bartender.
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Trump finds this difficult to do because he just started in politics four years ago. Biden on the other hand, has been in politics so long he can change colors by the second like a chameleon and has forgotten who he is because of it.
You can't possibly believe this.
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You can't possibly believe this.
Yeah, it is unclear if Trump is a very stable genius or a slow learner.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
TRUMP WANT TO POSTPONE THE ELECTION
Well I suppose this is one way to avoid a drubbing in the election.......
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
TRUMP WANT TO POSTPONE THE ELECTION
Well I suppose this is one way to avoid a drubbing in the election.......
I guess he wants to postpone them by 4 years... By that time all US citizen have died from Covid-19.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
TRUMP WANT TO POSTPONE THE ELECTION
Well I suppose this is one way to avoid a drubbing in the election.......
That cannot happen without an act of Congress. It is Federal Law under 3 USC section 1 that specifies the election to be held on the first Tuesday of November following the first of the month.
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He must have done something really stupid that has not been reported yet to float this distraction.
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He must have something really stupid that has not been reported yet to float this distraction.
As long as you're talking about Trump daily, he's happy.
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As long as you're talking about Trump daily, he's happy.
Well people have been talking about Trump daily...but there are many days Trump does not look to happy.
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You're re-writing electoral history.
Absolutely nothing in what I wrote, regarding 2016 polls, was a rewrite of electoral history! If you feel otherwise, I invite you to specify what I wrote that leads you to believe so.
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Hillary was favored 10 to 1.
I was trying to make a point. OK, so she had an 87% chance of winning one month before the election. That's about 7 to 1? Then she went down to a still large
2 1/2 to 1
First we have 10 to 1, then 7 to 1, then 2-1/2 to 1, do I have any other bidders before we close the auction?
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No one expected her to lose, including Trump. Everyone was stunned.
Try typing - Trump could win in 2016 - into your Google machine or copy and paste it. See what you come up with in the way of results. Every major news outlet said that Trump could win, but had a narrow path to the electoral votes to do so.
The top hit that came up when I did that search was from CNN on Sept. 7, 2016 entitled "How Donald Trump Could Win". Here's an excerpt: "Trump and Hillary Clinton enter the critical post-Labor Day phase of the campaign in a dead heat. A CNN/ORC national poll released Tuesday finds Trump ahead of Clinton by two points -- 45% to 43% -- among likely voters. The race is also tight among registered voters, where Clinton has a three point advantage. Both findings are within the margin of error. The narrowing of the race is a remarkable feat for Trump, who was down 10 points a month ago in CNN's Poll of Polls" https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/politics/How Donald Trump could win (https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-election-2016/index.html)
The #2 hit was from the Washington Post July 26, 2016 entitled "Yes, Of Course Donald Trump Can Win". #3 From 538 Sep. 15, 2016 "How Trump Could Win The White House While Losing The Popular Vote". #4 Politico September 14, 2016 "Time to Face It: Trump Really Could Win This". If you want more, I can provide a lot of stories from various news sources up to election day that said despite the consistent lead of Clinton in national polling (which she won, by the way) that winning the 50 +1 (District of Columbia) individual states needed for an electoral victory was far from certain. The AP (Associated Press) had a forecast of 274 electoral votes for Clinton the day before election and seeing that you need at least 270; they weren't exactly forecasting a sure bet or a certain outcome.
What's notable in my memory though, and the guy who nailed it with predicting that Trump would win and exactly how he would do it, is Michael Moore. He was all over the media saying not that Trump could win, but saying Trump will win. I hate to burst your bubble of "No one expected her to lose" by pointing to a scourge for conservatives like Michael Moore; but here's just an excerpt of what he was saying before the 2016 election...
"And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November." https://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ (https://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/)
I think that perhaps you're remembering what happened after the election, when conservative media was giddy and gleefully proclaiming that the "biased polls" and the "liberal media" were all wrong as usual; they were all certain that Hillary was going to win before the election. That's not what happened before the election. I think perhaps that rewriting of history is what you remember.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975
TRUMP WANT TO POSTPONE THE ELECTION
Well I suppose this is one way to avoid a drubbing in the election.......
This is all about protecting Trump's fragile ego. If he loses, he will claim it is because of voter fraud, you know basically lie to himself so he doesn't have a psychotic breakdown from losing, and if he wins, he will claim it is in spite of voter fraud, which will really give him a psychological boost. We saw this in 2016 when he claimed that voter fraud was the reason he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by 3,000,000 votes. Of course nobody believes that, but it doesn't matter as long as he believes it. Either way we will never hear the end of it. There is no escape from Trump. Jean-Paul Sartre anticipated this in No Exit.
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First we have 10 to 1, then 7 to 1, then 2-1/2 to 1, do I have any other bidders before we close the auction?
there's no auction. The polls had clinton 9-1 odds down to a still significant 2 1/2 -1 odds. Every anti Trump talking head on left wing cable turned ashen faced when they learned Hillary lost.
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there's no auction. The polls had clinton 9-1 odds down to a still significant 2 1/2 -1 odds. Every anti Trump talking head on left wing cable turned ashen faced when they learned Hillary lost.
9:1 is new. Where did that one come from? What happened to 10:1 and 7:1? It sounds like you are just making these up and then forgetting which one you made up last.
Tip of the day: Get a little notebook and write down your posts as you go along. It is easier to find them in a notebook than scrolling through all the posts in all the threads you participate in. Then when you make stuff up at least you'll be consistent.
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9:1 is new. Where did that one come from? What happened to 10:1 and 7:1? It sounds like you are just making these up and then forgetting which one you made up last.
Tip of the day: Get a little notebook and write down your posts as you go along. It is easier to find them in a notebook than scrolling through all the posts in all the threads you participate in.
You're right. It wasn't 9-1 it was 7-1, still a huge advantage Clinton had a month before the election. It dropped to 2 1/2-1 Clinton right before the election. Still, a huge advantage that everyone assumed would allow her to win. The Democrats and the left were shocked when she lost. She refused to acknowledge the lost the night of the election and tried desperately to get electors to change their vote. It turned out she was the one who didn't want to accept the loss. I think you ought to check this two minute video from CNN, not a Trump favored cable station. It will remind you and others just how much of a longshot victory this was for Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/06/relive-the-stunning-2016-election-night-orig-mg.cnn/video/playlists/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/
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You're right. It wasn't 9-1 it was 7-1, still a huge advantage Clinton had a month before the election. It dropped to 2 1/2-1 Clinton right before the election. Still, a huge advantage that everyone assumed would allow her to win. The Democrats and the left were shocked when she lost. She refused to acknowledge the lost the night of the election and tried desperately to get electors to change their vote. It turned out she was the one who didn't want to accept the loss. I think you ought to check this two minute video from CNN, not a Trump favored cable station. It will remind you and others just how much of a longshot victory this was for Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/06/relive-the-stunning-2016-election-night-orig-mg.cnn/video/playlists/barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton/
It sounds like that is a very important moment for you to re-live.
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It sounds like that is a very important moment for you to re-live.
Except that Trump lost the election by a large margin and "won" only because of an electoral college fluke that would not have happened if a mere 70,000 votes (IIRC) had gone the other way. The main skill his campaign had was tarring Clinton with so many lies and innuendos that many people who otherwise would have voted for her just stayed home on election day. And he is starting the same BS all over again. We saw a "Willie Horton" (AKA "frighten the white people")style ad last night where they claim Biden wants to defund the police. Biden has never said that and in fact has explicitly said he does not want to defund. Yet there are enough poorly informed saps out there who will believe this.
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Except that Trump lost the election by a large margin and "won" only because of an electoral college fluke that would not have happened if a mere 70,000 votes (IIRC) had gone the other way. The main skill his campaign had was tarring Clinton with so many lies and innuendos that many people who otherwise would have voted for her just stayed home on election day. And he is starting the same BS all over again. We saw a "Willie Horton" (AKA "frighten the white people")style ad last night where they claim Biden wants to defund the police. Biden has never said that and in fact has explicitly said he does not want to defund. Yet there are enough poorly informed saps out there who will believe this.
Let's not fight over the electoral system again. It's the way it is. Even Biden is addressing that by campaigning in the swing states for this election. He knows he has NY and CA and doesn;t even have to go there. Where's the fairness in that?
In any case, he telling all the swing state voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, etc. how he intends to get them jobs, the same arguments Trump made in the 2016 election. So both sides are aware of the electoral system as they are every election and campaign accordingly. By the way, Trump didn't have to "tar" Clinton. She did it herself calling all the swing state workers and other voters in the middle of the country "deplorables" being snotty and "holier than though". Trump on the other hand championed them, something they hadn't felt in decades.
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Yet there are enough poorly informed saps out there who will believe this.
That's the problem with democracy. Half the voters are on the left side of the bell curve.
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That's the problem with democracy. Half the voters are on the left side of the bell curve.
A lot of smart people don't have an ounce of common sense.
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She did it herself calling all the swing state workers and other voters in the middle of the country "deplorables" being snotty and "holier than though".
Of course that is not true. Hillary said one half of Trump supporters were deplorables (racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, etc.) and one half had legitimate grievances and should be listened to. So Trump supporters had a choice about which basket to put themselves in. Given that Trump and his supporters universally see themselves as victims, they all voluntarily put themselves in the deplorables basket, and bought a delorables t-shirt to boot.
https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/
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Of course that is not true. Hillary said one half of Trump supporters were deplorables (racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, etc.) and one half had legitimate grievances and should be listened to. So Trump supporters had a choice about which basket to put themselves in. Given that Trump and his supporters universally see themselves as victims, they all voluntarily put themselves in the deplorables basket, and bought a delorables t-shirt to boot.
https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/
Remind me not to ask you to be my campaign manager or speech writer :)
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There may be an intriguing clue later this month about the effect, and political consequences, of President Trump's claim that increased voting by mail will lead to widespread fraud. (A claim, I should add, that is not supported by credible evidence.)
On August 18, the state of Florida will conduct an intraparty primary election* to select candidates for both chambers of the national legislature, the House of Representatives and the Senate. Because of the coronavirus pandemic, it appears likely that many more Floridians will vote by mail than in previous primary elections.
Primary elections are low-turnout events which tend to attract more highly-motivated voters. For a variety of mostly demographic reasons, voters who identify with the Republican Party are generally believed to be proportionately more predisposed to vote than those who favor the Democratic Party.
This year, it may be different. A number of political professionals from both major parties reportedly believe Trump's claims about mail-in voting are indeed reducing confidence in it ... but mostly among likely Republican voters. There are reports that in many states, a much higher proportion of self-identified Democratic voters are requesting mail-in ballots than self-identified Republicans.
So the interesting things to watch in the Florida vote will be the respective turnout in this month's primary elections, rather than which candidates are selected by the voters of the respective parties, and what proportion of each party's voters cast ballots by mail instead of showing up at a polling place in-person.
Florida is a "swing state" in presidential elections, and the winner of the state election is awarded all of Florida's electoral votes (https://www.usa.gov/election#item-36072). Trump won Florida by a 1.2 percent margin in 2016 and it's a crucial state for him again this year; in fact, it's difficult to come up with a plausible path for him to be re-elected if he loses Florida. The result of the November election may well turn on which of the two major parties is more effective in getting its potential voters to cast ballots.
Florida also one of the states with the highest incidence of COVID-19 infections, and if that persists―especially if 2020 turns out to be a bad autumn for influenza infections―in-person voting may be seriously depressed in November. And therefore who votes by mail could be unusually significant.
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*For those of you unfamiliar with American political terminology, political parties in the United States conduct "primary" elections in the individual states during which voters who consider themselves members of a political party select the candidates the party will put forward in the November general election. (Most states require advance registration for party selection; a few allow voters who appear at a polling place in-person to decide on the spot which party's primary they want to participate in.)
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There may be an intriguing clue later this month about the effect, and political consequences, of President Trump's claim that increased voting by mail will lead to widespread fraud. (A claim, I should add, that is not supported by credible evidence.)
On August 18, the state of Florida will conduct an intraparty primary election* to select candidates for both chambers of the national legislature, the House of Representatives and the Senate. Because of the coronavirus pandemic, it appears likely that many more Floridians will vote by mail than in previous primary elections.
Primary elections are low-turnout events which tend to attract more highly-motivated voters. For a variety of mostly demographic reasons, voters who identify with the Republican Party are generally believed to be proportionately more predisposed to vote than those who favor the Democratic Party.
This year, it may be different. A number of political professionals from both major parties reportedly believe Trump's claims about mail-in voting are indeed reducing confidence in it ... but mostly among likely Republican voters. There are reports that in many states, a much higher proportion of self-identified Democratic voters are requesting mail-in ballots than self-identified Republicans.
So the interesting things to watch in the Florida vote will be the respective turnout in this month's primary elections, rather than which candidates are selected by the voters of the respective parties, and what proportion of each party's voters cast ballots by mail instead of showing up at a polling place in-person.
Florida is a "swing state" in presidential elections, and the winner of the state election is awarded all of Florida's electoral votes (https://www.usa.gov/election#item-36072). Trump won Florida by a 1.2 percent margin in 2016 and it's a crucial state for him again this year; in fact, it's difficult to come up with a plausible path for him to be re-elected if he loses Florida. The result of the November election may well turn on which of the two major parties is more effective in getting its potential voters to cast ballots.
Florida also one of the states with the highest incidence of COVID-19 infections, and if that persists―especially if 2020 turns out to be a bad autumn for influenza infections―in-person voting may be seriously depressed in November. And therefore who votes by mail could be unusually significant.
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*For those of you unfamiliar with American political terminology, political parties in the United States conduct "primary" elections in the individual states during which voters who consider themselves members of a political party select the candidates the party will put forward in the November general election. (Most states require advance registration for party selection; a few allow voters who appear at a polling place in-person to decide on the spot which party's primary they want to participate in.)
You may be right about Trump shooting himself in the foot regarding mail-in turnout of Republicans. But there is some truth about fraud with mail-ins.
There was a major mail-in fraud election just a few miles from where I live in New Jersey recently. They used 100% mail because of the virus. 19% of the votes were fraudulent. 1 in 5! Four people got arrested including a government official running for re-election and other guys running for office. The only reason they got caught is because a mailman picking up the mail from a mailbox, thought it strange that there was a sack of hundreds of mail-in ballots tied together, something that doesn't happen when each person mails their ballot. So he notified the authorities. Next time the "crooks" won't be so stupid or lazy and mail them separately and no one will get caught.
One wonders just how widespread it is since no one's checking. It was only because of an alert mailman that this fraud was discovered.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
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You may be right about Trump shooting himself in the foot regarding mail-in turnout of Republicans. But there is some truth about fraud with mail-ins.
There was a major mail-in fraud election just a few miles from where I live in New Jersey recently. They used 100% mail because of the virus. 19% of the votes were fraudulent. 1 in 5! Four people got arrested including a government official running for re-election and other guys running for office. The only reason they got caught is because a mailman picking up the mail from a mailbox, thought it strange that there was a sack of hundreds of mail-in ballots tied together, something that doesn't happen when each person mails their ballot. So he notified the authorities. Next time the "crooks" won't be so stupid or lazy and mail them separately and no one will get caught.
One wonders just how widespread it is since no one's checking. It was only because of an alert mailman that this fraud was discovered.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html
I think you posted that yesterday or the day before, verbatim.
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I think you posted that yesterday or the day before.
I was responded to Chris's false statement that there is no fraud with mail-in voting. Apparently he missed my previous post.
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There was a major mail-in fraud election just a few miles from where I live in New Jersey recently. They used 100% mail because of the virus. 19% of the votes were fraudulent. 1 in 5! Four people got arrested including a government official running for re-election and other guys running for office. The only reason they got caught is because a mailman picking up the mail from a mailbox, thought it strange that there was a sack of hundreds of mail-in ballots tied together, something that doesn't happen when each person mails their ballot.
There was no evidence any of those ballots was fraudulent. "Bundling"—third-party collection of mail-in ballots from voters and transmission of them to state vote-counting officials in batches—is illegal in New Jersey.
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There was no evidence any of those ballots was fraudulent. "Bundling"—third-party collection of mail-in ballots from voters and transmission of them to state vote-counting officials in batches—is illegal in New Jersey.
Additionally, handling ballots for others is illegal if you're the one running for office. That also happened. Additionally, they found signatures that were not the original voters. The fact is four people were charged and 20% of the ballots were declared illegal. Come on Chris. This is a fraud. It would be better to acknowledge these things and try to come up with a system to reduce it from happening rather than looking the other way in denial for political reasons. Election fraud is fraud.
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I was responded to Chris's false statement that there is no fraud with mail-in voting. Apparently he missed my previous post.
Attempted fraud is not fraud. It was caught, and even if the mailman had not reported the issue there are other safeguards in place that would have caught it, such as signature matching--applied to mail-in ballots just like in-person ballots.
Another failed fraud case happened here in NC when an operative for Republican Mark Harris (US house candidate) was found to have fiddled lots of absentee ballots. The operative is facing charges, Mark Harris withdrew, and a new election was ordered.
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For those of us who try to assuage their Trump-related misery with some humor, here is a new one from The Orange Oaf:
"The Rolling Stones are un-American because they won't let me use their songs."
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For those of us who try to assuage their Trump-related misery with some humor, here is a new one from The Orange Oaf:
"The Rolling Stones are un-American because they won't let me use their songs."
If it weren't so crazy, I'd ROFLMAO (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ROFLMAO) ;D
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Trump on the other hand championed them, something they hadn't felt in decades.
Riiiiight. And exactly how much good has he done for them since then?
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509568578777088
Trump tweet : "I am happy to inform all of the people living their Suburban Lifestyle Dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood..."
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/29/trump-slams-housing-rule-latest-message-suburban-voters/5536731002/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suburban-voters-housing-rule
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Attempted fraud is not fraud. It was caught, and even if the mailman had not reported the issue there are other safeguards in place that would have caught it, such as signature matching--applied to mail-in ballots just like in-person ballots.
Another failed fraud case happened here in NC when an operative for Republican Mark Harris (US house candidate) was found to have fiddled lots of absentee ballots. The operative is facing charges, Mark Harris withdrew, and a new election was ordered.
Yes, the case hasn't come to trial. It just happened. However, four people were charged criminally. Regardless of the reason it was caught, you're brushing it off because you want to ignore that it's a real issue.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288509568578777088
Trump tweet : "I am happy to inform all of the people living their Suburban Lifestyle Dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood..."
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/29/trump-slams-housing-rule-latest-message-suburban-voters/5536731002/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suburban-voters-housing-rule
Do you even understand why he said this and what it means?
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Do you even understand why he said this and what it means?
Pray tell us. This ought to be good.
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Most people who live in suburbia are concerned that low income housing if it is built in their communities reduces the value of their own homes when they sell them. Additionally, it raises property taxes of existing homes because low income housing being lower cost has lower property taxes. So their children cost the rest of community more for schooling. The taxes of low income homes don't cover the school costs for their kids. Those additional costs are then paid in higher property taxes by others in the community.
So the end result is that low income housing lowers the value of property of existing residents. At the same time it raises their property taxes with no additional services. It's not a racial issue because poor or lower income of all colors move into these low income houses. So Trump is reminding suburbanites what his philosophy is before the election.
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Most people who live in suburbia are concerned that low income housing if it is built in their communities reduces the value of their own homes when they sell them. Additionally, it raises property taxes of existing homes because low income housing being lower cost has lower property taxes. So their children cost the rest of community more for schooling. The taxes of low income homes don't cover the school costs for their kids. Those additional costs are then paid in higher property taxes by others in the community.
So the end result is that low income housing lowers the value of property of existing residents. At the same time it raises their property taxes with no additional services. It's not a racial issue because poor or lower income of all colors move into these low income houses. So Trump is reminding suburbanites what his philosophy is before the election.
So what is Trump's solution to low income housing? Oh...I know, that is why he was interested in Greenland.
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Most people who live in suburbia are concerned that low income housing if it is built in their communities reduces the value of their own homes when they sell them.
Really? Most people in the suburbs are worried about this? Is there a lot of low income housing being built in the suburbs? Are you actively resisting low income housing encroaching into your neighborhood?
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Really? Most people in suburbia are worried about this? Is there a lot of low income housing being built in the suburbs?
Yes. In New Jersey where I live, it's mandated for new home construction. The real estate developer has to include a certain percentage of the homes he's building to low income. We're getting killed with school costs. More than half of my property taxes go for schooling. i have no children in schools. I don't mind paying schools taxes even though I have no kids as someone paid for me when I was a kid. It's just that it costs $18,000 per child [annually = edit] for school and going up. They have to build a new high school and addition to K-12 to cover all the new kids.
Even then it won't be enough. There are a lot of fixed income retired people who can't afford these escalating property taxes caused by these mandates.
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Yes. In New Jersey where I live, it's mandated for new home construction. The real estate developer has to include a certain percentage of the homes he's building to low income. We're getting killed with school costs. More than half of my property taxes go for schooling. i have no children in schools. I don't mind paying schools taxes even though I have no kids as someone paid for me when I was a kid. It's just that it costs $18,000 per child [annually = edit] for school and going up. They have to build a new high school and addition to K-12 to cover all the new kids.
Even then it won't be enough. There are a lot of fixed income retired people who can't afford these escalating property taxes caused by these mandates.
Well the young are saying "damn old people is costing me a bundle in health costs supporting their heart conditions. Why not just segregate them to retirement communities and let them die naturally so us youngster can enjoy our lives".
Sort of goes both ways don't it.
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They must figure my property taxes differently. If we have an increase in the number of children in the county who need schooling, it doesn't matter where they live, my property taxes go up.
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Well the young are saying "damn old people is costing me a bundle in health costs supporting their heart conditions. Why not just segregate them to retirement communities and let them die naturally so us youngster can enjoy our lives".
Sort of goes both ways don't it.
Of course. Every group is looking for the government to do something for them at the expense of someone else. It's always "raise the other guy's taxes". Or "give me something for free and let the other guy pay for it. " SO everyone is separated ion groups: poor vs. rich. Black vs. white. Old vs. young. Male vs. female. Identity politics with each group trying to get more than the others. Meanwhile, politicians try to get the votes by promising more giveaways and less taxes. So the government prints money debasing its value. It's a race to the bottom.
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They must figure my property taxes differently. If we have an increase in the number of children in the county who need schooling, it doesn't matter where they live, my property taxes go up.
The county has it's taxes. But school taxes are determined separately in each town within the county here in New Jersey. Our township gets very little help from the state of NJ. So we fund about 95% of the schools costs. So if a low income person move into a coop and pays let's say $2500 in school taxes, but his two kids cost $18,000 each per year or $36,000, the rest of the township property owners have to pick up the difference of $33,500. My new tax bill just went up 5%. But the bill says that's just an estimate. I suspect, when all the losses of tax collection due to Covid 19 are added up, they're going to have to raise it a lot higher. That's just for the next 12 months. It's getting out of hand. SS and my pension aren't going up. There are people where I live who have to sell their homes and move to another state with less taxes. It's why FLorida and Texas is growing and California, NY and NJ are shrinking in population.
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Of course. Every group is looking for the government to do something for them at the expense of someone else. It's always "raise the other guy's taxes". Or "give me something for free and let the other guy pay for it. " SO everyone is separated ion groups: poor vs. rich. Black vs. white. Old vs. young. Male vs. female. Identity politics with each group trying to get more than the others. Meanwhile, politicians try to get the votes by promising more giveaways and less taxes. So the government prints money debasing its value. It's a race to the bottom.
You haven't answered my question. What is your solution to low income housing? I know your view of "not in my backyard", but if not in yours...then where? And if you don't want to pay for it, who should?
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The county has it's taxes. But school taxes are determined separately in each town within the county here in New Jersey. Our township gets very little help from the state of NJ. So we fund about 95% of the schools costs. So if a low income person move into a coop and pays let's say $2500 in school taxes, but his two kids cost $18,000 each per year or $36,000, the rest of the township property owners have to pick up the difference of $33,500. My new tax bill just went up 5%. But the bill says that's just an estimate. I suspect, when all the losses of tax collection due to Covid 19 are added up, they're going to have to raise it a lot higher. That's just for the next 12 months. It's getting out of hand. SS and my pension aren't going up. There are people where I live who have to sell their homes and move to another state with less taxes. It's why FLorida and Texas is growing and California, NY and NJ are shrinking in population.
So it is not that you don't want low cost housing in your neighborhood, you don't want low cost housing anywhere in the township. And you certainly don't want any families with children moving into your township. That's just a tax increase for you.
I don't know why you live in New Jersey. You've told us that you have high state income taxes, high property taxes, out of control voter fraud, doctors that won't take Medicare patients or even see their other patients in person, and low income people who are trying to invade your neighborhoods, not to mention the grocery clerks who take their masks off to wipe their noses when loading your groceries in your car trunk. I'm sure I have left something out. Oh, its a blue state so your vote for Trump is meaningless. Why don't you go live someplace more congenial?
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Of course. Every group is looking for the government to do something for them at the expense of someone else. It's a race to the bottom.
In a strictly capitalist society, yes. In a more, uh, socialist society, no.
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You haven't answered my question. What is your solution to low income housing? I know your view of "not in my backyard", but if not in yours...then where? And if you don't want to pay for it, who should?
Government paid for schooling is way too expensive, like every government program. Government should issue credits for private schooling. That would reduce the cost and improve education at the same time. Let's start there.
Also, types of housing should not be mandated by government. Eliminate rent control. That would encourage builders to build more apartments and decrease rental costs for low income families.
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Also, types of housing should not be mandated by government. Eliminate rent control. That would encourage builders to build more apartments and decrease rental costs for low income families.
Just what America needs: more Kushner owned apartment complexes. Decrease rental costs? You've got to be joking.
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Also, types of housing should not be mandated by government. Eliminate rent control. That would encourage builders to build more apartments and decrease rental costs for low income families.
In your neighbourhood...or somewhere out of sight?
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Just what America needs: more Kushner owned apartment complexes. Decrease rental costs? You've got to be joking.
Yep, those that build apartments do it out of the goodness of their hearts...not their wallets. Does anyone think that if government totally stepped out, the billionaires of this world would step in and care about low income families and their housing?
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Yep, those that build apartments do it out of the goodness of their hearts...not their wallets. Does anyone think that if government totally stepped out, the billionaires of this world would step in and care about low income families and their housing?
Of course people build to make money. Don't you go to work to make money too? Who's going to work or build something if they can't make money? There's nothing immoral about that. No one works for nothing. Do wedding photographers work for free? They're business people. Only socialists think like that. Get over it. When someone starts a business, they think there's a need for it and they'll get customers. If there's a market for low cost rental housing, it will be built.
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Of course people build to make money. Don't you go to work to make money too? Who's going to work or build something if they can't make money? There's nothing immoral about that. No one works for nothing. Do wedding photographers work for free? They're business people. Only socialists think like that. Get over it. When someone starts a business, they think there's a need for it and they'll get customers. If there's a market for low cost rental housing, it will be built.
That's the problem right there...if there is a market...in other words if they can make a bunch of money, low cost housing will be built. But if there is something better to build, that low cost housing and the potential tenants will be out of luck...out on the streets...rising crime rates...building yet more prisons...and in the end costing the government way more money than if they just built low cost housing in the first place.
Some things like a place to hang your hat, your health, food etc...are not a luxury, but a necessity and its government, in fact the people like you Alan, that should ensure this necessity of life is available to all. It is not something that the rich should get richer from nor neglect because they can't make a buck from it. It's just basic good humanity and I'm glad that there are parts of this world that don't live and die by the almighty buck.
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That's the problem right there...if there is a market...in other words if they can make a bunch of money, low cost housing will be built. But if there is something better to build, that low cost housing and the potential tenants will be out of luck...out on the streets...rising crime rates...building yet more prisons...and in the end costing the government way more money than if they just built low cost housing in the first place.
Some things like a place to hang your hat, your health, food etc...are not a luxury, but a necessity and its government, in fact the people like you Alan, that should ensure this necessity of life is available to all. It is not something that the rich should get richer from nor neglect because they can't make a buck from it. It's just basic good humanity and I'm glad that there are parts of this world that don't live and die by the almighty buck.
Your contention is wrong. I'm from NYC and 90% of apartment buildings are for low and middle income people. Go to a socialist nation like the former Soviet Union and Cuba if you want to see dilapidated housing. Additionally in NYC, public housing paid for and maintained at public expense is available as well. Typical of government owned and managed facilities, they are poorly maintained and have the highest crime rates because no one gives a damn because there's no profit motive.
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The county has it's taxes. But school taxes are determined separately in each town within the county here in New Jersey. Our township gets very little help from the state of NJ. So we fund about 95% of the schools costs. So if a low income person move into a coop and pays let's say $2500 in school taxes, but his two kids cost $18,000 each per year or $36,000, the rest of the township property owners have to pick up the difference of $33,500. My new tax bill just went up 5%. But the bill says that's just an estimate. I suspect, when all the losses of tax collection due to Covid 19 are added up, they're going to have to raise it a lot higher. That's just for the next 12 months. It's getting out of hand. SS and my pension aren't going up. There are people where I live who have to sell their homes and move to another state with less taxes. It's why FLorida and Texas is growing and California, NY and NJ are shrinking in population.
Uh... Texas works EXACTLY like this. No income tax, so everything runs off of property taxes. That means that what you pay scales with property value, not what you earn, so a high earner that loses his/her job (or a retiree) is screwed. Many, many people in Texas are being property taxed out of their homes.
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Uh... Texas works EXACTLY like this. No income tax, so everything runs off of property taxes. That means that what you pay scales with property value, not what you earn, so a high earner that loses his/her job (or a retiree) is screwed. Many, many people in Texas are being property taxed out of their homes.
Like they say. There's no escaping death and taxes. :)
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That's the trouble with "not in my backyard" isn't it? Everything is in someone's back yard.
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If there's a market for low cost rental housing, it will be built.
There's a huge market, but by definition the potential buyers/renters can't afford to pay much. And it's long known that there's more money to be made from building middle/high end housing. So the low income market is ignored, absent government incentives/regulations, and the builders focus on the higher profit projects.
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There's a huge market, but by definition the potential buyers/renters can't afford to pay much. And it's long known that there's more money to be made from building middle/high end housing. So the low income market is ignored, absent government incentives/regulations, and the builders focus on the higher profit projects.
Since there's a market, someone will build it. Not everyone can afford a Mercedes. Cheap cars are built too. So it is with homes and apartments.
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Since there's a market, someone will build it. Not everyone can afford a Mercedes. Cheap cars are built too. So it is with homes and apartments.
Without government assistance, many of the low income families cannot make rental payments, pay the bills and feed their families. How far do you think minimum wage stretches?
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Since there's a market, someone will build it.
Just not anywhere in your township if you can help it.
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Since there's a market, someone will build it. Not everyone can afford a Mercedes. Cheap cars are built too. So it is with homes and apartments.
Cars aren't apartments. Your car doesn't determine your school district, your tax base, your ability to build wealth, or your access to infrastructure.
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So not only is Trump lying with every breath but his campaign is using photoshopped images of Biden.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510774-trump-campaign-uses-altered-photo-of-biden-in-new-ad
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So not only is Trump lying with every breath but his campaign is using photoshopped images of Biden.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510774-trump-campaign-uses-altered-photo-of-biden-in-new-ad
OMG! Those evil Trump #@%^&*(!
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OMG! Those evil Trump #@%^&*(!
In his case i only would use desaturate
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Trump claims Biden will "hurt the bible" and is against god, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510900-trump-claims-biden-is-against-god (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510900-trump-claims-biden-is-against-god).
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Trump says a vaccine may be ready around election day, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day). That's spectacular timing. Maybe they can cure cancer by Inauguration Day.
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Trump says a vaccine may be ready around election day, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day). That's spectacular timing. Maybe they can cure cancer by Inauguration Day.
You have obviously learned never to believe anything Trump says. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, call it an exaggeration or an aspirational statement. Given his track record, I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. It is just one lie after another.
In hospitality news, room rates at Trump's hotel in Washington D.C. have jumped 60% for the week of the Republican convention. But Trump's sycophants don't mind getting hosed. They consider it a privilege. Seriously, is anybody really going to get on a plane and fly to Washington D.C. anytime soon? Save your life and some money; stay home and watch it on TV...or not.
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You have learned by now never to believe anything Trump says. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, call it an exaggeration or an aspirational statement. Given his track record, I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. It is just one lie after another.
In hospitality news, room rates at Trump's hotel in Washington D.C. have jumped 60% for the week of the Republican convention. Is anybody really going to get on a plane and fly to Washington D.C. anytime soon? Save your life and some money; stay home and watch it on TV...or not.
Be interesting to see if other area hotels jacked their fees as well. That might be a normal thing for all I know.
Remember Father Guido Sarducci's 5 minute university, "Supply and-a demand." :)
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In hospitality news, room rates at Trump's hotel in Washington D.C. have jumped 60% for the week of the Republican convention. But Trump's sycophants don't mind getting hosed. They consider it a privilege. Seriously, is anybody really going to get on a plane and fly to Washington D.C. anytime soon?
Probably not the foreign supplicants who reportedly have been responsible for many of the bookings at the Trump hotel in Washington. I suspect most foreign governments and corporations are already assuming he will be defeated in the November election. Some of his more enthusiastic supporters may still want to come here, however; I would be surprised if the Trump campaign didn't arrange a number of events for supporters or at least major donors to coincide with his nomination—notwithstanding the pandemic.
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Trump claims Biden will "hurt the bible" and is against god, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510900-trump-claims-biden-is-against-god (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510900-trump-claims-biden-is-against-god).
I have to wonder... Is Biden "against God" in the "he cheated on his (third) wife with a porn star and paid her to shut up about it" way, or more in the "I kinda think two scoops of ice cream when everyone else gets only one is gluttony" sort of way, or just sort of in the "Thou shalt not lie" basic kind of way?
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I have to wonder... Is Biden "against God" in the "he cheated on his (third) wife with a porn star and paid her to shut up about it" way, or more in the "I kinda think two scoops of ice cream when everyone else gets only one is gluttony" sort of way, or just sort of in the "Thou shalt not lie" basic kind of way?
How can anyone vote for such a liar? He's making the USA a laughing stock. Putin, Xi, Jong-un must be rolling in laughter...watching this pitiful person lie his way through life.
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Trump says a vaccine may be ready around election day, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/510853-trump-covid-19-vaccine-may-be-ready-right-around-election-day). That's spectacular timing. Maybe they can cure cancer by Inauguration Day.
Highly doubtful unless it is the Russian vaccine that will be approved momentarily (seriously). All the current trials require 30,000 subjects and have to be evaluated for both safety and efficacy. Several of the vaccines have not yet entered this phase at all. The ones I have seen require two shots, 28 days apart and that already gets us into September assuming all 30,000 are injected today. It will take 6-8 weeks to determine whether the vaccines are protective against SARS-CoV-2 (I think it will be more like 8-10). That bumps right up against election day without even having done the full data analysis and regulatory submission and evaluation.
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Highly doubtful unless it is the Russian vaccine that will be approved momentarily (seriously).
Ah. That sort of explains it.
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I can't wait until Biden wins, and his ghouls on the left like AOC finally expose the white, fat, old, Leica toting dumb as*ses here on this privileged forum for the entitled class that they are, and confiscate all your photo gear to give to the poor black drug users who can't afford them because of systemic white jerks injustice.
You don't even soul search why poor black families don't have expensive photo gear, when there should be equality.
Time to leave this forum. Forums are dead anyway. In all those trips to the Antarctic, I did not see ONE single person of color, much less one from a housing project. What a bunch of privileged racists.
Oh it feels so good to be woke. Now where did I put those Molotov's?
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I can't wait until Biden wins, and his ghouls on the left like AOC finally expose the white, fat, old, Leica toting dumb as*ses here on this privileged forum for the entitled class that they are, and confiscate all your photo gear to give to the poor black drug users who can't afford them because of systemic white jerks injustice.
You don't even soul search why poor black families don't have expensive photo gear, when there should be equality.
Time to leave this forum. Forums are dead anyway. In all those trips to the Antarctic, I did not see ONE single person of color, much less one from a housing project. What a bunch of privileged racists.
Oh it feels so good to be woke. Now where did I put those Molotov's?
Bad night, homie?
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Oh it feels so good to be woke. Now where did I put those Molotov's?
Next to the Lysol and hydroxychloroquine bottles?
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I can't wait until Biden wins, and his ghouls on the left like AOC finally expose the white, fat, old, Leica toting dumb as*ses here on this privileged forum for the entitled class that they are, and confiscate all your photo gear to give to the poor black drug users who can't afford them because of systemic white jerks injustice.
You don't even soul search why poor black families don't have expensive photo gear, when there should be equality.
Time to leave this forum. Forums are dead anyway. In all those trips to the Antarctic, I did not see ONE single person of color, much less one from a housing project. What a bunch of privileged racists.
Oh it feels so good to be woke. Now where did I put those Molotov's?
Please tell me this post is a joke. But wait, you have left the forum so you won't see my post.
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Cars aren't apartments. Your car doesn't determine your school district, your tax base, your ability to build wealth, or your access to infrastructure.
And, may I add, your access to your work. It's an issue here in Chapel Hill...so many service workers at the university and other places cannot afford to live in town, so they have long commutes. And while public transit is better here than most places, it still does not serve areas out-of-town where rents and home prices are lower.
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Word is Trump is having some sort of "press conference" later this evening televised from his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. He obviously got an early start for a weekend of golf. The members of the golf club will be his audience and will provide the applause. The initiation fee to be a member of the club is estimated to be $350,000. That doesn't include monthly dues and assessments. One reporter suggested that the optics are bad.
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Word is Trump is having some sort of "press conference" later this evening from his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. He got an early start for a weekend of golf. The members of the golf club will be his audience and will provide the applause. The initiation fee to be a member of the club is estimated to be $350,000. One reporter suggested that the optics are bad.
You're so hateful of Trump and blinded by it, you missed the whole political import. Congress just failed to enact an extension of the Covid funding to individuals. Negotiations between Republicans and Democrats in Congress has ended. PPP is dead. So now Trump unilaterally is going to come out and make a speech and be the people's champion and bypass Congress giving them their PPP money. This will show his leadership while Democrats in Congress dropped the ball. Of course, Democrats are going to argue he cannot constitutionally bypass Congress. They're mainly right. But what are they going to tell the voters. That they want to stop Trump from helping them? That he's doing what they refused to do? He's got Democrats caught between a rock and a hard spot. Head he wins. Tails they loss.
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You're so hateful of Trump and blinded by it, you missed the whole political import. Congress just failed to enact an extension of the Covid funding to individuals. Negotiations between Republicans and Democrats in Congress has ended. PPP is dead. So now Trump unilaterally is going to come out and make a speech and be the people's champion and bypass Congress giving them their PPP money. This will show his leadership while Democrats in Congress dropped the ball. Of course, Democrats are going to argue he cannot constitutionally bypass Congress. They're mainly right. But what are they going to tell the voters. That they want to stop Trump from helping them? That he's doing what they refused to do? He's got Democrats caught between a rock and a hard spot. Head he wins. Tails they loss.
Great you see this as a game of chance...sort of like the virus will magically disappear one day...or the virus will just go away when it gets hot. And another 1000+ people died today from the virus.
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Well-reported piece by Julian Barnes (https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes) in the New York Times today about the latest assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding the attempts by Russia and China to interfere in the November U.S. presidential election (https://nyti.ms/2PA1EJ6).
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Great you see this as a game of chance...sort of like the virus will magically disappear one day...or the virus will just go away when it gets hot. And another 1000+ people died today from the virus.
We're talking about funding to help people who lost their jobs. The Democrat controlled House in Congress didn't help. The Republican president will.
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Well-reported piece by Julian Barnes (https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes) in the New York Times today about the latest assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding the attempts by Russia and China to interfere in the November U.S. presidential election (https://nyti.ms/2PA1EJ6).
Nobody cares about that. They only care about staying healthy and their next paycheck.
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Nobody cares about that. They only care about staying healthy and their next paycheck.
But that's a problem. Shouldn't people care if their election results are influenced by foreign countries? Who's running this ship anyways?
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We're talking about funding to help people who lost their jobs. The Democrat controlled House in Congress didn't help. The Republican president will.
I thought you were bitching and moaning about how the government was printing money, and it was going to cause inflation, and your pension and social security wouldn't keep up, and your savings would be wiped out, and about how lazy workers were staying at home collecting more in unemployment benefits than their former wages, and how your dentist couldn't hire a replacement assistant, and on and on and on and on ad nauseam. Not real consistent are you? By the way, wasn't it the Republicans who all left town for their summer vacation leaving no one for the Democrats to negotiate with.
And in the end Trump didn’t do anything, no executive orders, no this, no that, nothing. Just blah blah blah about what he might do. Funny, no mention of a second stimulus check and no details about the amount of the unemployment add on and no details about relief for state and local governments. Just blah, blah, blah. Just more reading stuff out of a notebook. Here Mr. President, go read out of this notebook. Yo-Semites.
Did you get a little laminated card for your wallet when you joined the cult?
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Well-reported piece by Julian Barnes (https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes) in the New York Times today about the latest assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding the attempts by Russia and China to interfere in the November U.S. presidential election (https://nyti.ms/2PA1EJ6).
Nobody cares about that. They only care about staying healthy and their next paycheck.
For once, I'm inclined to agree with you―although I find it disturbing, and rather surprising, to think that the American general public is not concerned about attempts by foreign governments to interfere in our fundamental democratic processes. But at the moment, the out-of-control coronavirus infections and collapsed economy probably take precedence for the attention of most people.
Actually, however, what really surprises me is that "Kremlin-linked actors" are still trying to "undermine" former Vice President Biden and "boost" President Trump. I had assumed Russian President Putin by now had concluded that Trump was unlikely to be re-elected in November, and that it would be Russia's interest, as well as his own, to do what he could to avoid provoking stronger sanctions by a Biden Administration than are already likely.
We assess that Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia “establishment.” This is consistent with Moscow’s public criticism of him when he was Vice President for his role in the Obama Administration’s policies on Ukraine and its support for the anti-Putin opposition inside Russia. For example, pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption – including through publicizing leaked phone calls – to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party. Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media and Russian television.
―Statement by William Evanina (https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2139-statement-by-ncsc-director-william-evanina-election-threat-update-for-the-american-public), director, National Computer Security Center
Of course, there may be some hysteresis in the system: i.e., decisions by Putin and his close associates may take some time to propagate through various bureaucratic layers before they reach the people actually engaging in the disruption.
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The initiation fee to be a member of the club is estimated to be $350,000. That doesn't include monthly dues and assessments.
When I read numbers like that, my jaw drops. I guess the reason to join up is to be near people who have the money to join up. That's some serious ass-kissing.
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You're so hateful of Trump and blinded by it, you missed the whole political import. Congress just failed to enact an extension of the Covid funding to individuals. Negotiations between Republicans and Democrats in Congress has ended. PPP is dead. So now Trump unilaterally is going to come out and make a speech and be the people's champion and bypass Congress giving them their PPP money. This will show his leadership while Democrats in Congress dropped the ball. Of course, Democrats are going to argue he cannot constitutionally bypass Congress. They're mainly right. But what are they going to tell the voters. That they want to stop Trump from helping them? That he's doing what they refused to do? He's got Democrats caught between a rock and a hard spot. Head he wins. Tails they loss.
Why was just the Democrats who dropped the ball? It was a 2-way negotiation (more or less), wasn't it? Aren't Republicans also to blame for negotiations breaking down.
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Why was just the Democrats who dropped the ball? It was a 2-way negotiation (more or less), wasn't it? Aren't Republicans also to blame for negotiations breaking down.
Of course. The irony is that the Dems wanted MORE funds, the White House said no, refused to compromise in the middle, and now the Alans of the world are buying the BS that somehow Trump is the guy that went to bat for the working man. It’s maximal stupidity. And, as mentioned earlier, you just have to scroll up a bit to see the same person screaming about how spending is irresponsible. It’s positively Trumpian in its total disregard for what the truth was 5 minutes ago.
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... and now the Alans of the world are buying the BS that somehow Trump is the guy that went to bat for the working man.
That's been true since the get go. Yet, unaccountably, and despite all evidence to the contrary, they still intend to vote for him.
It’s maximal stupidity.
No effing kidding.
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Well-reported piece by Julian Barnes (https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes) in the New York Times today about the latest assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding the attempts by Russia and China to interfere in the November U.S. presidential election (https://nyti.ms/2PA1EJ6).
Nobody cares about that. They only care about staying healthy and their next paycheck.
Well than it is very important for Trump can only be reelected with Russian help.
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Of course. The irony is that the Dems wanted MORE funds, the White House said no, refused to compromise in the middle, and now the Alans of the world are buying the BS that somehow Trump is the guy that went to bat for the working man. It’s maximal stupidity. And, as mentioned earlier, you just have to scroll up a bit to see the same person screaming about how spending is irresponsible. It’s positively Trumpian in its total disregard for what the truth was 5 minutes ago.
More funds for other things such as bailing out the states (which would help me personally since NY and NJ taxes affect me directly) than helping the average out-work American and small businessperson. The Democrat controlled house and Nancy Pelosi could have agreed to the lower amount that would refund the PPP. But she refused. Trump is twisting their arms making them look like the culprits. I suspect the Congress will come to a compromise. Otherwise they'll make Trump look better when he gives out money by presidential executive order. Of course, once they settle, he'll take credit for it and knocking Biden for hiding out in his basement and doing nothing.
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Otherwise they'll make Trump look better when he gives out money by presidential executive order.
I am unaware that the President can unilaterally give out money. From my understanding Congress has the sole right under the Constitution to appropriate money. The only power the President has it to submit a budget to Congress which is most cases is DOA. It will be interesting to see what new powers President Trump has conjured up.
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I am unaware that the President can unilaterally give out money. From my understanding Congress has the sole right under the Constitution to appropriate money. The only power the President has it to submit a budget to Congress which is most cases is DOA. It will be interesting to see what new powers President Trump has conjured up.
It doesn't matter if he has the constitutional authority. Politically, he'll look like he's trying to help the unemployed while the Democrats are refusing to fund it.
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It doesn't matter if he has the constitutional authority. Politically, he'll look like he's trying to help the unemployed while the Democrats are refusing to fund it.
In the interests of obstinacy, I'll ask again. Why do you say it's the Democrats doing that when it took both sides to reach a breakdown in the talks.
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In the interests of obstinacy, I'll ask again. Why do you say it's the Democrats doing that when it took both sides to reach a breakdown in the talks.
The Republicans who run the Senate already passed a bill for the unemployed and to extend the PPP. It's the Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi that run the House of Representatives. So the Democrats are holding it up. If the Republicans ran the House too, the bill would have passed Congress already and signed by Trump and the unemployed would be getting their PPP checks.
Of course the states won't be getting bailed out by Republicans, something that Democrat House Speaker Pelosi wants to do. But only Democrats care about that or people like me who live in New Jersey and see our states going broke because we waste tax money and need a charitable handout from Washington DC. We don't want our pensions screwed with.
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The Republicans who run the Senate already passed a bill for the unemployed and to extend the PPP. It's the Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi that run the House of Representatives. So the Democrats are holding it up. If the Republicans ran the House too, the bill would have passed Congress already and signed by Trump and the unemployed would be getting their PPP checks.
The House passed another relief bill 3 months ago. It's sitting rotting on McConnell's desk as we speak, because politics. So, for the third time then, why is it all the Democrats' fault?
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The Republicans who run the Senate already passed a bill for the unemployed and to extend the PPP. It's the Democrats under Speaker Nancy Pelosi that run the House of Representatives. So the Democrats are holding it up. If the Republicans ran the House too, the bill would have passed Congress already and signed by Trump and the unemployed would be getting their PPP checks.
The Democrats who run the House already passed a bill for the unemployed and to extend the PPP. It's the Republicans under Majority Leader McConnell that run the Senate. So the Republicans are holding it up. If the Democrats ran the Senate too, the ill would have passed Congress already and signed by Trump and the unemployed would be getting their PPP checks.
You see, it works both ways.
The Democrats in the House passed a bill and the Republicans in the Senate passed a bill. They are different. So the Democrats in the House and the Republicans in the Senate need to come together and negotiate the differences. The problem is the Republicans left town to go on their summer vacations so the Democrats have no one to negotiate with. The Democrats and the public at large will simply need to wait until the Republicans have finished their summer vacations and come back to work.
Meanwhile, 164,887 Americans have died from COVID-19, and the total is growing at over 1,000 deaths a day.
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It doesn't matter if he has the constitutional authority. Politically, he'll look like he's trying to help the unemployed while the Democrats are refusing to fund it.
Still playing politics as the people die. 162,000+, tic toc, tic toc, tic toc...
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Well-reported piece by Julian Barnes (https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes) in the New York Times today about the latest assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding the attempts by Russia and China to interfere in the November U.S. presidential election (https://nyti.ms/2PA1EJ6).
China and Russia are on opposite sides here, so maybe they'll cancel each other out and the American people can decide this one on their own.
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China and Russia are on opposite sides here, so maybe they'll cancel each other out and the American people can decide this one on their own.
Clearly the American people can make a decision on their own if they base their votes on reliable, uninfiltrated information sources. Alas, given recent experience, that doesn't seem likely.
In any event, it does not appear from the publicly-available intelligence assessment that the Chinese government and individuals working at its behest are currently trying to influence or disrupt the election the way the Russian government is.
The threat from China is more in the nature of its economic and technical influence―particularly the real possibility that concealed firmware "hooks" in communication infrastructure devices manufactured in China (e.g. switches used for high-speed wireless transmission) will be exploited by the Chinese government to steal intellectual property, and that mobile application software will be used to eavesdrop on researchers in the United States and its allies.
The threat from Russia involves its attempt to corrupt our election system. Not just to influence the outcome of the presidential election in Trump's favor, if it can, but to provoke doubt among voters about the legitimacy of the democratic process. Based on the information that has been released by the director of U.S. intelligence, it appears the Russians are using the same techniques they used in 2016.
The Chinese approach is more subtle and long-term, albeit not ultimately less dangerous―in the long term. But given how the Russian efforts played out in 2016 (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf), Putin's government appears the be the more imminent threat.
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Putin's government appears the be the more imminent threat.
I think the biggest imminent threat spends equal time in the White House and the golf club.
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The House passed another relief bill 3 months ago. It's sitting rotting on McConnell's desk as we speak, because politics. So, for the third time then, why is it all the Democrats' fault?
Because the Democrats refuse to extend the PPP for unemployed people unless they also get money to give to the state treasuries. Both sides want to give money to the unemployed, so they should just do it. Discuss other funding is a separate issue for another bill. The Democrats are tying the unemployment funding to state relief.
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The Democrats who run the House already passed a bill for the unemployed and to extend the PPP. It's the Republicans under Majority Leader McConnell that run the Senate. So the Republicans are holding it up. If the Democrats ran the Senate too, the ill would have passed Congress already and signed by Trump and the unemployed would be getting their PPP checks.
You see, it works both ways.
The Democrats in the House passed a bill and the Republicans in the Senate passed a bill. They are different. So the Democrats in the House and the Republicans in the Senate need to come together and negotiate the differences. The problem is the Republicans left town to go on their summer vacations so the Democrats have no one to negotiate with. The Democrats and the public at large will simply need to wait until the Republicans have finished their summer vacations and come back to work.
Meanwhile, 164,887 Americans have died from COVID-19, and the total is growing at over 1,000 deaths a day.
Frank, see my last post. Same answer,
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Still playing politics as the people die. 162,000+, tic toc, tic toc, tic toc...
Both sides are playing politics with Covid because this is election season, unfortunately. But the funding in any case is mainly for economic support of the unemployed and businesses. People are going to get sick and die regardless and sadly. By bringing up deaths with an economics bill, you're playing politics with it.
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People are going to get sick and die regardless and sadly.
You sound just like Trump, "it is what it is"
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You sound just like Trump, "it is what it is"
Low class ad hominem attack. Stop with the moral superiority. You know that's not what I meant. The bill is not to relieve Covid but to pay people's rent.
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So Trump just signed the executive order that placed Democrats between a rock and a hard place. The ball is in their court. All the Dems have to do is agree to sign a bill to make in legitimate. After all, don't they want to help out-of-work Americans and other during these times of economic difficulties? If they don't the Dems and Biden will get blamed. The polls next week are going to be interesting.
Trump signs executive actions after stimulus talks break down on Capitol Hill
"President Donald Trump tried to assert executive power by signing four actions Saturday, one of which will provide as much as $400 in enhanced unemployment benefits -- 25% of which states are being asked to cover -- after Democrats and the White House were unable to reach an agreement on a coronavirus stimulus relief bill this week.
The other three actions he signed include a memorandum on a payroll tax holiday for Americans earning less than $100,000 a year, an executive order on "assistance to renters and homeowners" and a memorandum on deferring student loan payments."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-executive-order-stimulus/index.html
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The bill is not to relieve Covid but to pay people's rent.
... while they are unemployed because of COVID. Seems like you might want to address the underlying problem at some point.
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Frank, see my last post. Same answer,
It wasn't a question. It was a recitation of facts.
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But the funding in any case is mainly for economic support of the unemployed and businesses.
What economic support is provided to businesses with these executive orders?
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Low class ad hominem attack. Stop with the moral superiority. You know that's not what I meant. The bill is not to relieve Covid but to pay people's rent.
Just commenting on your cold view of the people that lost their lives...and your insistence of the economic effects of Covid. Lines up with Trump's views.
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Both sides want to give money to the unemployed, so they should just do it.
They couldn’t do it if they wanted to because the Republicans went on summer vacation.
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Biden's the one on vacation. Trump just took control and made Congress irrelevant. The unemployed see him as their champion while Congress twiddles their thumbs. Pelosi and the Democrats will reverse themselves to save themselves. Trump holds all the cards.
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Biden's the one on vacation. Trump just took control and made Congress irrelevant. The unemployed see him as their champion while Congress twiddles their thumbs. Pelosi and the Democrats will reverse themselves to save themselves. Trump holds all the cards.
It's almost a sure thing that Trump's payroll tax cut is illegal -- a president can't overturn laws on his own -- but you know what the payroll tax supports? Social Security and Medicare. Haven't seen Alan speak out in favor of his boy on that. And, of course, cutting payroll tax doesn't do much to help prop up the millions of covid unemployed, since it only affects people who actually are employed.
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It's almost a sure thing that Trump's payroll tax cut is illegal -- a president can't overturn laws on his own -- but you know what the payroll tax supports? Social Security and Medicare. Haven't seen Alan speak out in favor of his boy on that. And, of course, cutting payroll tax doesn't do much to help prop up the millions of covid unemployed, since it only affects people who actually are employed.
of course it's illegal. But that's not the point. He's giving money to both the unemployed and the employed for their vote while Congress twiddles their thumbs, especially the Democrats who refuse to help unless they can bailout the states, especially Democrat run states. This helps Trump and Republicans in November. Pelosi hurt her side.
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This thread is straying dangerously close to political discussion of Covid-19, and hence to being shut down.
Jeremy
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Low class ad hominem attack. Stop with the moral superiority. You know that's not what I meant. The bill is not to relieve Covid but to pay people's rent.
Why is comparing you to Trump an ad hominem attack? :)
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Both sides are playing politics with Covid because this is election season, unfortunately. But the funding in any case is mainly for economic support of the unemployed and businesses. People are going to get sick and die regardless and sadly. By bringing up deaths with an economics bill, you're playing politics with it.
Of course it's politics. Duh. But nothing is purer politics than Trump's executive order which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes.
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I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.
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Just commenting on your cold view of the people that lost their lives...and your insistence of the economic effects of Covid. Lines up with Trump's views.
I presented no such views. You attacked me personally and judged my moral standing to try to gain an advantage rather than presenting arguments to bolster any positions you may have.
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Of course it's politics. Duh. But nothing is purer politics than Trump's executive order which is nothing more than an attempt to buy votes.
I agree.
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I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.
Yea, he fixed the crap signed by Obama...
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
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I know that reporting another Trump lie is like the headline "Sun rises in east," (at least that is only once a day), but this deserves mention. At his press conference yesterday, Trump claimed credit for passing and signing the Veterans Choice Act, which in fact was signed by Obama in 2014. When a reporter called him on this he stomped off stage. It seems he has told this lie some 150 times!! And this is the first time he has been directly challenged on it, which is hard to reconcile with claims that the press is unduly harsh on him.
In 2019, Trump replaced Obama's 2014 Veterans Choice Act with a better one called the VA Mission Act. The left wing news does not want to recognize how Trump is cleaning up a defective Veterans Administration that has plague the country for years. Vets had been dying en masse waiting for care and appointments with VA doctors. It was a disgrace. You no longer read about that kind of stuff because Trump cleaned up a lot of that delinquency. Just like the press ignores how Trump cleaned up ISIS that Obama left, they don't want to acknowledge any of Trump's successes. I'd walk out of the news conference too if I was challenged with a set-up question that tried to embarrass me. The left wing press is just playing political games.
Military News
Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
President Donald Trump signed a landmark bill Wednesday to replace the troubled Veterans Choice Program and expand private health care options amid a fight between the White House and Congress over how to pay for it.
The bill, the VA Mission Act, would also expand caregivers assistance to the families of disabled veterans and order an inventory of the Department of Veterans Affairs' more than 1,100 facilities with a long-term view to trimming excess.
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This is rich...even I could not believe it of Trump. But true. He wants his face on Mt. Rushmore. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
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Election season is silly season. I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do? Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies? They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs. How uninspiring.
NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names, the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]
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Election season is silly season. I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do? Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies? They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs. How uninspiring.
NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
What about black holes and big bang theory?
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Election season is silly season. I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do? Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies? They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs. How uninspiring.
NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names, the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]
I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names.
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I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names.
I think I'll rename my second wife from Janet to WF-02. That ought to help our relationship.
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"I don't see any problem calling celestial objects by their scientific names. Usually this takes a generation to implement. Old folks will continue to use the offensive names, but new students will learn the night skies by the technical names."
Give me a break. Will NGC 69 even be allowed or will big brother NASA ban that as well?
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What about black holes and big bang theory?
Love it!!!
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They'll have to change Dean Martin's song from "When the Moon hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, that's Amore." to "When the CGV-01 Hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, That's Amore". Or how about "Harvest CVG-01". Now that's romantic. Or the 1934 Rogers and Hart foot tapper "Blue CVG-01"
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They'll have to change Dean Martin's song from "When the Moon hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, that's Amore." to "When the CGV-01 Hits Your Eye Like a Biga Pizza Pie, That's Amore". Or how about "Harvest CVG-01". Now that's romantic. Or the 1934 Rogers and Hart foot tapper "Blue CVG-01"
My fave in this genre of jokes is "Great Balls of Fire" will become "Large Testicles of Combustion"
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Election season is silly season. I'm curious what scientist and space organizations in other countries are going to do? Are we going to have two sets of names for heavenly bodies? They're finally going to call Pluto a planet again but it's name might be something like PP-09 to not insult dogs. How uninspiring.
NASA to remove offensive names from planets and other heavenly bodies
Political correctness has now expanded to space, where NASA says planets, galaxies and other heavenly bodies will no longer be referred to by “offensive” nicknames.
In a press release Thursday, the space agency said that all planets and heavenly bodies will be referred only to by their scientific names, the Houston Chronicle reported.
Under the new rules, the “Eskimo Nebula,” discovered in 1787 by William Hershel, will only be referred to as NGC 2392.
The so-called “Siamese Twins Galaxy” will likewise be known only as NGC 4567 and NGC 4568.
“As the scientific community works to identify and address systemic discrimination and inequality in all aspects of the field, it has become clear that certain cosmic nicknames are not only insensitive but can be actively harmful,” the agency said in a news release.
“NASA is examining its use of unofficial terminology for cosmic objects as part of its commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”
NASA’s Associate Administrator for Diversity and Equal Opportunity, Stephen T. Shih agreed, saying “These nicknames and terms may have historical or culture connotations that are objectionable or unwelcoming, and NASA is strongly committed to addressing them.”[/i]
This is a non problem.
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So when is the United States going to go metric? I'm pretty sure the resistance is being funded by the calculator industry. What do you use a calculator for besides conversions?
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So when is the United States going to go metric?
As the joke goes: The USA will go metric, but it's inch by inch ...
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White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.
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White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.
Mount Rushmore Is Federal property. The Governor of S Dakota has no say in it. You would have thought the vaunted New York Times crack staff could have figured out that one tiny detail.
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Mount Rushmore Is Federal property. The Governor of S Dakota has no say in it. You would have thought the vaunted New York Times crack staff could have figured out that one tiny detail.
So why did the White House reach out to the governor?
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So why did the White House reach out to the governor?
Did they?
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In 2019, Trump replaced Obama's 2014 Veterans Choice Act with a better one called the VA Mission Act. The left wing news does not want to recognize how Trump is cleaning up a defective Veterans Administration that has plague the country for years. Vets had been dying en masse waiting for care and appointments with VA doctors. It was a disgrace. You no longer read about that kind of stuff because Trump cleaned up a lot of that delinquency. Just like the press ignores how Trump cleaned up ISIS that Obama left, they don't want to acknowledge any of Trump's successes. I'd walk out of the news conference too if I was challenged with a set-up question that tried to embarrass me. The left wing press is just playing political games.
Military News
Trump Signs $55 Billion Bill to Replace VA Choice Program
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/06/06/trump-signs-55-billion-bill-replace-va-choice-program.html
President Donald Trump signed a landmark bill Wednesday to replace the troubled Veterans Choice Program and expand private health care options amid a fight between the White House and Congress over how to pay for it.
The bill, the VA Mission Act, would also expand caregivers assistance to the families of disabled veterans and order an inventory of the Department of Veterans Affairs' more than 1,100 facilities with a long-term view to trimming excess.
Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.
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Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.
When Trump starts acting that way, I shut him off. I can't watch. But that's who he is. He's a real estate developer from Queens. He doesn't take BS. He punches back. He doesn't stand for crap. We knew that when we elected him. And that's how he treats people who aren't loyal or whi oppose him. He's unpolitically intolerant. He doesn't sweet talk. He doesn't take crap.
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When Trump starts acting that way, I shut him off. I can't watch. But that's who he is. He's a real estate developer from Queens. He doesn't take BS. He punches back. He doesn't stand for crap. We knew that when we elected him. And that's how he treats people who aren't loyal or whi oppose him. He's unpolitically intolerant. He doesn't sweet talk. He doesn't take crap.
So what exactly was the “BS” and “crap” he wasn’t going to take when walked out in a huff like a two year old at the “news conference” the other day. A news reporter simply asked why he keeps lying about Veteran’s Choice. Seems like a fair question to me. Maybe you know why he keeps lying about Veteran’s Choice? Is “unpolitically intolerant” a synonym for “asshole”?
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So what exactly was the “BS” and “crap” he wasn’t going to take when walked out in a huff at the “news conference” the other day. A news reporter simply called him out for lying about Veteran’s Choice.
I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing. The reporter apparently was trolling him, trying to bait him and get a rise out of him. So he didn't take the bait and wwalked out.
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I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.
Why? Shouldn't you be informed about your favourite president?
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Ok, but let me ask you something. Several days ago now, there was an exchange on here about how we elect TV personalities now rather than policy makers. In that exchange I stated that I thought that all TV debates between candidates is staged bullshit (not my words at the time), and I haven't watched any in over 40 years. I consider the TV performance of candidates pretty unimportant, and you replied that it's important to see how well a politician "handled" themselves. What do you think of Trump stomping off the stage in a huff when questions don't go his way? He has done this more than once now and he did it the other day when the veterans legislation came up. Because I think he handled that pretty badly.
Well for one thing he did not "stomp off the stage in a huff", but quite frankly I simply love seeing him ignore the press. He is learning they suck and is figuring out how to deal with them. Why don't we subject old basement Joe to the same and see how he deals with it? Come on man! He can ask if anyone is a junkie....yea thats refreshing and bringing diginity back...
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I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing.
Typical.
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I did not watch the conference so I'm only guessing. The reporter apparently was trolling him, trying to bait him and get a rise out of him. So he didn't take the bait and wwalked out.
Seems to me that walking off in a huff is taking the bait in spades. But I guess he didn't have many good choices, beyond simply admitting he's a liar.
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Seems to me that walking off in a huff is taking the bait in spades. But I guess he didn't have many good choices, beyond simply admitting he's a liar.
Yep, running away from tough questions tells a lot.
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White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
What? Not his own mountain? I can't imagine him wanting to share the limelight. Maybe only his face would be illuminated at night.
I've been saying for years that politicians should not have any statues or monuments erected in their honour till they've been dead 50 years. This give history a chance to figure out if they actually did any good or not. Having a living official lobby for their own display seems a bit gauche to me. That's what I expect from kings and tsars.
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Did they?
The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.
"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html
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The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.
"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html
The NY Times and other media have been lying about Trump a lot. But I suppose you don't count those lies.
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The NY Times and other media have been lying about Trump a lot. But I suppose you don't count those lies.
Like I mentioned to Craig, that is what was reported by the New York Times. You can chose to believe or or not.
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Like I mentioned to Craig, that is what was reported by the New York Times. You can chose to believe or or not.
It's only true if something glorifies Trump... Otherwise it is a lie...fake news.
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The New York Times reported that they did. You can chose to believe it or not.
"And last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html
So they have one un-named person making an unsubstantiated claim. Whats to believe? Typical Trump hating NYT. Have they or anyone else who re-ran this tripe bothered to confirm anything?
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It's only true if something glorifies Trump... Otherwise it is a lie...fake news.
Or its just a lie or fake news because thats what they do...and the gullible fall for it hook line and sinker.
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So they have one un-named person making an unsubstantiated claim. Whats to believe? Typical Trump hating NYT. Have they or anyone else who re-ran this tripe bothered to confirm anything?
It is always your prerogative to believe what you want to believe.
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It is always your prerogative to believe what you want to believe.
Yes, it my perogative to believe news that is proven true and discard the rest. I guess you use a different formula.
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Yes, it my perogative to believe news that is proven true and discard the rest. I guess you use a different formula.
Can you disprove the article...or do you walk around with a half empty glass all the time?
Put it another way...can you prove even half of what Trumps says as being true...as there are fact checkers that disprove much of what Trump claims.
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Like I mentioned to Craig, that is what was reported by the New York Times. You can chose to believe or or not.
Did the NYT ask the So. Dakota governor what was discussed? What did she say? A simple phone call.
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Yes, it my perogative to believe news that is proven true and discard the rest. I guess you use a different formula.
I don't know what your standard of proof is for news stories like this. I can easily see you not believing anything in the news. There is only so much time in the day to check, cross-check, corroborate, and confirm using multiple trusted sources that were actual eye witnesses. I'd never get out of the driveway in the morning.
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Can you disprove the article...or do you walk around with a half empty glass all the time?
Put it another way...can you prove even half of what Trumps says as being true...as there are fact checkers that disprove much of what Trump claims.
The NY Times is making a charge to embarrass the president right before a presidential election. They should have asked the parties involved what transpired because even if something was mentioned, it could have been a joke. Trump does that a lot and the press quotes him directly knowing he said it tongue in cheek, just like I joke around here. You guys fall for it hook, line and sinker. The NYT has done this before against candidates they didn't like. This is nothing. Wait until October and watch the charges fly.
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I don't know what your standard of proof is for news stories like this. I can easily see you not believing anything in the news. There is only so much time in the day to check, cross-check, corroborate, and confirm using multiple trusted sources that were actual eye witnesses. I'd never get out of the driveway in the morning.
Proper reporting would have required that the governor be called and asked to confirm or deny it. Then the paper should report that. After all, they weren't there. They using second hand hearsay information. The Times used to have higher standards. They've given up on fair reporting and joined cable news in a race to the bottom for journalism.
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Proper reporting would have required that the governor be called and asked to confirm or deny it. Then the paper should report that. After all, they weren't there. They using second hand hearsay information. The Times used to have higher standards. They've given up on fair reporting and joined cable news in a race to the bottom for journalism.
What if the governor lies about it? I mean she is a Trump supporter so she could just be covering for him. Perhaps you should at least ask her for proof she's not lying, and then double check and confirm her proof. I'm not sure how you would prove her proof though. Perhaps her corroborating witnesses are all lying too. I really have no idea how far the conspiracy extends. You may never get to the bottom of it.
I read a story that 100 people were arrested and 13 police officers were injured in the looting in Chicago last night. I don't know if it is true or not. Was there really looting in Chicago last night? With COVID still on the rampage, I'm not planning on flying up to Chicago to chase that story down. I guess I'll just put that in the discard pile. Why did I waste time even reading about it? Why do I bother reading or listening to the news at all? I'll never be able to prove all the articles I read. Too many lying liars lying about lying liars lying. And they are out to cheat me.
But everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is the gospel truth, except for the occasional exaggeration or aspirational statement.
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What if the governor lies about it? Perhaps you should at least ask her for proof she's not lying, and then double check and confirm her proof. I mean she is a Trump supporter so she could just be covering for him. I have no idea how far the conspiracy extends.
You don;t know that. Regardles, proper reporting and standard practice would be to ask the governor and the president. Otherwise you have a report where no one is identified where the info came from and no one was allowed to deny or confirm the story. It' sjust put out there to embarrass the president.
The other problem is that Maggie Haberman, the co-writer of the article, is a Trump hater. She's constantly on CNN and other anti-Trump cable stations showing her distaste for him. So her appearance on cable knocking Trump all the time diminishes her trustworthiness when she writes for the NY Times. Frankly, the paper shouldn't let her appear on cable. The whole process is incestuous and diminishes the Times' authority. Previous reporters have damaged them in the past with embellishments and downright lies being reported. I'm surprised they put up with her doing cable shows. It shows just how much the editors hate Trump as well.
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Pelosi blinked.
Pelosi, Mnuchin signal openness to resume aid talks
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-mnuchin-signal-openness-resume-182116838.html
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Proper reporting would have required that the governor be called and asked to confirm or deny it. Then the paper should report that. After all, they weren't there. They using second hand hearsay information. The Times used to have higher standards. They've given up on fair reporting and joined cable news in a race to the bottom for journalism.
How do you know how much follow up there was to verify the story? Your bias just assumes there was none.
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Pelosi blinked.
Pelosi, Mnuchin signal openness to resume aid talks
https://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-mnuchin-signal-openness-resume-182116838.html
It's just a game...but people keep dying. Tick, toc...
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Can you disprove the article...or do you walk around with a half empty glass all the time?
Put it another way...can you prove even half of what Trumps says as being true...as there are fact checkers that disprove much of what Trump claims.
I don't need to disprove it. Its the media's job to PROVE their story.
As for Trump, as usual you move the goalposts.
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Proper reporting would have required that the governor be called and asked to confirm or deny it. Then the paper should report that. After all, they weren't there. They using second hand hearsay information. The Times used to have higher standards. They've given up on fair reporting and joined cable news in a race to the bottom for journalism.
The so called "source", if they were actually privy to the alleged converstion, would have known exactly who placed the call and to whom the call was directed. Those facts are glaringly missing from the "news" the NYT printed.
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How do you know how much follow up there was to verify the story? Your bias just assumes there was none.
I've looked, have you?
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I don't need to disprove it. Its the media's job to PROVE their story.
As for Trump, as usual you move the goalposts.
Rather than ducking, hiding and running Craig...just answer the question. How do you know Trump is ever telling the truth?
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it could have been a joke. Trump does that a lot and the press quotes him directly knowing he said it tongue in cheek, just like I joke around here.
Like his joke about passing Veteran’s Choice. That sure got a lot of laughs!! Not sure that was quite the response he was aiming for, but hey.
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In 2019, Trump replaced Obama's 2014 Veterans Choice Act with a better one called the VA Mission Act. The left wing news does not want to recognize how Trump is cleaning up a defective Veterans Administration that has plague the country for years. Vets had been dying en masse waiting for care and appointments with VA doctors. It was a disgrace. You no longer read about that kind of stuff because Trump cleaned up a lot of that delinquency. Just like the press ignores how Trump cleaned up ISIS that Obama left, they don't want to acknowledge any of Trump's successes. I'd walk out of the news conference too if I was challenged with a set-up question that tried to embarrass me. The left wing press is just playing political games.
This nonsense about long waits at the VA is long over. A JAMA study (1917) showed that waits for new appointments in certain specialties were 12 days SHORTER at the VA than in the private sector. This is just one of those bugaboos that the right spreads to try to delegitimize government programs. You can of course find individual horror stories about long waits with disastrous consequences, both at the VA and outside of it.
But, so what. The point I was making is that Trump repeatedly lies about silly things. If he signed an act that is helping veterans, let him boast about that. Nooo...he's got to boast--150 times--about signing an act that he didn't sign. And since when has being caught in a lie ever embarrassed Trump?
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How do you know how much follow up there was to verify the story? Your bias just assumes there was none.
The article didn't say they tried to verify. If they called, they would have reported that either the governor did not respond, confirmed it or denied it. The article was silent.
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This nonsense about long waits at the VA is long over. A JAMA study (1917) showed that waits for new appointments in certain specialties were 12 days SHORTER at the VA than in the private sector. This is just one of those bugaboos that the right spreads to try to delegitimize government programs. You can of course find individual horror stories about long waits with disastrous consequences, both at the VA and outside of it.
But, so what. The point I was making is that Trump repeatedly lies about silly things. If he signed an act that is helping veterans, let him boast about that. Nooo...he's got to boast--150 times--about signing an act that he didn't sign. And since when has being caught in a lie ever embarrassed Trump?
Peter, he created his own act last year in 2019 to improve Veteran Administration procedures. His plan superseded the Obama plan of 2014. He has his own plan to brag about. Why lie about a plan that was created in 2014 before he became president? Your whole point makes no sense.
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The article didn't say they tried to verify. If they called, they would have reported that either the governor did not respond, confirmed it or denied it. The article was silent.
Did you actually read the NYT article? I didn’t think you forked out for a subscription.
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Rather than ducking, hiding and running Craig...just answer the question. How do you know Trump is ever telling the truth?
Why are you trying to change the subject? Can't cover the bullsnit from the NYT's anymore?
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It's just a game...but people keep dying. Tick, toc...
So tell Pelosi to pass legislation to get the money to the unemployed. She and the Democrats are holding it up. Otherwise Trump is going to get all the votes from these people in November. Of course, Pelosi can also sue the president to prevent him from distributing the money as being unconstitutional. I'm sure those same unemployed voters who can't pay their rent would appreciate her doing that.
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Did you actually read the NYT article? I didn’t think you forked out for a subscription.
I read two other articles from other media that referred to the NYT's article. Neither mentioned the reporters checking with the people involved.
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You don;t know that. Regardles, proper reporting and standard practice would be to ask the governor and the president.
Why ask President Trump? He is going to lie about it. And the governor is a Trump supporter so she’ll lie about it to cover for him.
Obviously what we need is a congressional committee to look into it. With subpoena power.
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Why ask President Trump? He is going to lie about it. And the governor is a Trump supporter so she’ll lie about it to cover for him.
Obviously what we need is a congressional committee to look into it. With subpoena power.
Otherwise it looks like a hit piece, which it is. By not giving the persons accused a chance to respond, the NY Times acts like the National Enquirer.
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The NY Times is making a charge to embarrass the president right before a presidential election.
Why would this story embarrass the president?
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Why are you trying to change the subject? Can't cover the bullsnit from the NYT's anymore?
Just answer my questions Craig rather than hiding under a stone. How do you ever know Trump is telling the truth. He's been caught lying so often, you can't believe a single word coming from his mouth. How do you know you verify anything he says?
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I read two other articles from other media that referred to the NYT's article. Neither mentioned the reporters checking with the people involved.
So you really don't know if your previous statement is true. You just made it up.
The article didn't say they tried to verify. If they called, they would have reported that either the governor did not respond, confirmed it or denied it. The article was silent.
If you want to comment on an article, read it.
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Otherwise it looks like a hit piece, which it is. By not giving the persons accused a chance to respond, the NY Times acts like the National Enquirer.
Are you trying to tell me you'd believe anything Trump would say if he was asked? If so...then I guess we are done. You are too far gone down that koolaid path.
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I'm watching Trump's press conference on TV. He looks like he is getting thin on top. I'm not sure how much longer this comb-over thing is going to help.
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Just answer my questions Craig rather than hiding under a stone. How do you ever know Trump is telling the truth. He's been caught lying so often, you can't believe a single word coming from his mouth. How do you know you verify anything he says?
Why should I answer you? You will simply move the goalposts again. Why did you move them in the first place?
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I read two other articles from other media that referred to the NYT's article. Neither mentioned the reporters checking with the people involved.
Of course they didn't check. They just ran with a rumor and called it fact. Its no wonder the media gets such low ratings.
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Are you trying to tell me you'd believe anything Trump would say if he was asked? If so...then I guess we are done. You are too far gone down that koolaid path.
Of course he believes everything Trump says. He's a member of the cult. He's even got the secret decoder ring. It's how he tells us what Trump really means when he says something. Otherwise, nobody would have any idea - outright lie, joke, exaggeration, aspirational statement.
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. . . you have a report where no one is identified where the info came from and no one was allowed to deny or confirm the story. It' sjust put out there to embarrass the president.
The "debate" in this forum about the New York Times story strikes me as rather confused―wholly apart from the predictable bickering about the accuracy of the Times' reporting.
First of all, the subject of the Times report (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html#click=https://t.co/pTPfdX6b2o) wasn't Trump's apparent desire to have his face added to the monument on Mount Rushmore; it was that Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota (where the monument is located), met with Vice President Mike Pence in response to speculation that she was trying to replace him as Trump's vice presidential candidate:
Ms. Noem came to the White House . . . to meet not with Mr. Trump, but with Vice President Mike Pence. Word had circulated through the Trump administration that she was ingratiating herself with the president, fueling suspicions that there might have been a discussion about her serving as his running mate in November. Ms. Noem assured Mr. Pence that she wanted to help the ticket however she could, according to an official present.
The primary source for the claim that Trump had expressed interest in being carved into Mount Rushmore wasn't the New York Times, but a report published by the Argus Leader (https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2018/04/24/president-donald-trump-mount-rushmore-trumpmore/544597002/) of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in April, 2018, quoting Governor (then candidate) Noem herself:
. . . after President Trump was sworn in, he relayed his dream of actually being carved on the mountain, according to South Dakota Rep. Kristi Noem.
Noem said the two struck up a conversation in their first meeting at the Oval Office.
"He said, 'Kristi, come on over here. Shake my hand,'" Noem said. "I shook his hand, and I said, 'Mr. President, you should come to South Dakota sometime. We have Mount Rushmore.' And he goes, 'Do you know it's my dream to have my face on Mount Rushmore?' "
Noem thought he was joking.
"I started laughing," she said. "He wasn't laughing, so he was totally serious."
Noem, who is running for South Dakota Governor in the Republican primary in June, relayed the story to Vermillion native Mitchell Olson while the two were filming a segment for Olson's South Dakota edition of carpool karaoke.
The Times did add a few minor details to the Trump-on-Mount-Rushmore story:
. . . last year, a White House aide reached out to the governor’s office with a question, according to a Republican official familiar with the conversation: What’s the process to add additional presidents to Mount Rushmore?
So last month, when the president arrived in the Black Hills for the star-spangled spectacle he had pined for, Ms. Noem made the most of it.
Introducing Mr. Trump against the floodlit backdrop of his carved predecessors, the governor played to the president’s craving for adulation by noting that in just three days more than 125,000 people had signed up for only 7,500 seats; she likened him to Theodore Roosevelt, a leader who “braves the dangers of the arena”; and she mimicked the president’s rhetoric by scorning protesters who she said were seeking to discredit the country’s founders.
In private, the efforts to charm Mr. Trump were more pointed, according to a person familiar with the episode: Ms. Noem greeted him with a four-foot replica of Mount Rushmore that included a fifth presidential likeness: his.
Finally, while Trump denied suggesting that his face be installed on Mount Rushmore ("Fake News"), in the same Trupperance (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1292628590425759747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), he said it would be a good idea.
. . . based on all of the many things accomplished during the first 3 1/2 years, perhaps more than any other Presidency, sounds like a good idea to me!
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Does anyone seriously believe that Trump didn't ask how to get himself up on Mt. Rushmore? It's so Trumpian. I figured Trump supporters would respond: "Goddamn right he did." Are you guys losing your enthusiasm?
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The "debate" in this forum about the New York Times story strikes me as rather confused―wholly apart from the predictable bickering about the accuracy of the Times' reporting.
First of all, the subject of the Times report (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/kristi-noem-pence-trump.html#click=https://t.co/pTPfdX6b2o) wasn't Trump's apparent desire to have his face added to the monument on Mount Rushmore; it was that Kristi Noem, the governor of South Dakota (where the monument is located), met with Vice President Mike Pence in response to speculation that she was trying to replace him as Trump's vice presidential candidate:
The primary source for the claim that Trump had expressed interest in being carved into Mount Rushmore wasn't the New York Times, but a report published by the Argus Leader (https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2018/04/24/president-donald-trump-mount-rushmore-trumpmore/544597002/) of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in April, 2018, quoting Governor (then candidate) Noem herself:
The Times did add a few minor details to the Trump-on-Mount-Rushmore story:
Finally, while Trump denied suggesting that his face be installed on Mount Rushmore ("Fake News"), in the same Trupperance (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1292628590425759747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), he said it would be a good idea.
You need to get up to speed Chris, because despite of your reply you completely missed the reason all of this got started.
The post that started this contained this link:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/09/politics/mount-rushmore-trump-south-dakota/index.html
Please note the headline.
New York Times: White House reached out to South Dakota governor about adding Trump to Mount Rushmore
No one should be surprised that Trump likes the idea of being the next face on the mountain, but the thrust of the OP’s link was the alleged call from the White House. And that headline came out of the NYT article.
Pence and Noem... Cannon fodder for the liberal media hacks.
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So tell Pelosi to pass legislation to get the money to the unemployed. She and the Democrats are holding it up.
When did the Senate Republicans get back from vacation?
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Why should I answer you? You will simply move the goalposts again. Why did you move them in the first place?
Yep...quack...quack...quack.
Just blindly take whatever comes out of Trump's mouth as gospel. The herder leading the sheep.
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Peter, he created his own act last year in 2019 to improve Veteran Administration procedures. His plan superseded the Obama plan of 2014. He has his own plan to brag about. Why lie about a plan that was created in 2014 before he became president? Your whole point makes no sense.
I think the point is that he is lying about Veterans Choice. Perhaps you can explain why?
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..and the gullible fall for it hook line and sinker.
Gotta love it. There are few as gullible as those who believe the bullshit Trump spews.
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Gotta love it. There are few as gullible as those who believe the bullshit Trump spews.
Unfortunately they can't tell when they are being lied to. Yep...hook, line and sinker.
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Unfortunately they can't tell when they are being lied to. Yep...hook, line and sinker.
Did you believe Hillary regarding email servers and confidential emails and that she only deleted private email of her mother-in-laws recipes? Did you believe her about Benghazi? Do you believe Joe Biden that his getting the prosecutor investigating his son's corporation in the Ukraine [fired=edit]was just the VP protecting America and not helping his son?
Yep...hook, line and sinker.
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Did you believe Hillary regarding email servers and confidential emails and that she only deleted private email of her mother-in-laws recipes? Did you believe her about Benghazi? Do you believe Joe Biden that his getting the prosecutor investigating his son's corporation in the Ukraine [fired=edit]was just the VP protecting America and not helping his son?
Yep...hook, line and sinker.
Hilary is old news...let it go. Biden...never followed it. Now Trump...rampant liar...and was proven many times. Yet Alan you believe in him...even when he lies right to you. Why? If someone constantly lied to me...I'd say syanara...yet you follow him like a lost puppy dog.
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Yep...quack...quack...quack.
Just blindly take whatever comes out of Trump's mouth as gospel. The herder leading the sheep.
Exactly how would you know that? Oh yea the answer is you don't. You are clueless.
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Gotta love it. There are few as gullible as those who believe the bullshit Trump spews.
Or those who blindly believe the MSN when they are in fake news attack mode. Does the shoe fit Peter?
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Why lie about a plan that was created in 2014 before he became president?
Why indeed. Why does he? Maybe it’s just his constant obsession with Obama, another attempt to hide his inadequacy with respect to his predecessor.
Your whole point makes no sense.
Something makes no sense that’s for sure.
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We’ve gone round and round and Alan still hasn’t explained why Trump is lying about Veterans Choice.
Alan, can you answer a simple straight forward question?
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I don't know what your standard of proof is for news stories like this. I can easily see you not believing anything in the news. There is only so much time in the day to check, cross-check, corroborate, and confirm using multiple trusted sources that were actual eye witnesses. I'd never get out of the driveway in the morning.
Most of us have developed simple rules of thumb to address the problem of being buried under an avalanche of information. NYT - probably accurate; CNN - maybe accurate; Fox - almost certainly false. Likewise on the forum - Bart - most likely true; Slobodan - likely true but with a suspect interpretation, Alan - almost certainly incorrect, Craig - zero content.
Of course there are deviations from the rules, and you need to spot check from time to time, but it's a pretty good initial guess.
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We’ve gone round and round and Alan still hasn’t explained why Trump is lying about Veterans Choice.
Alan, can you answer a simple straight forward question?
I don't know anything about Veterans Choice or what Trump said about it ever except what I posted above. I haven't followed the story. In the current news conference when he was asked about it, he didn't answer so how could he have lied?
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Most of us have developed simple rules of thumb to address the problem of being buried under an avalanche of information. NYT - probably accurate; CNN - maybe accurate; Fox - almost certainly false. Likewise on the forum - Bart - most likely true; Slobodan - likely true but with a suspect interpretation, Alan - almost certainly incorrect, Craig - zero content.
Of course there are deviations from the rules, and you need to spot check from time to time, but it's a pretty good initial guess.
We've got you figured out pretty well. Zero content.
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Or those who blindly believe the MSN when they are in fake news attack mode. Does the shoe fit Peter?
My shoes fit perfectly, thanks.
When a huge majority of global media transmit the same information, I tend to believe it.
When a tiny subset of the world's media transmits the opposite information, I tend to discount it.
Simple as that. Just like buying the correct shoe size.
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Exactly how would you know that? Oh yea the answer is you don't. You are clueless.
I thought this thread's title included the admonition "no ad hominems".
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I don't know anything about Veterans Choice or what Trump said about it ever except what I posted above. I haven't followed the story. In the current news conference when he was asked about it, he didn't answer so how could he have lied?
You mean you missed the 150 occasions when he lied about it? Talk about "selective memory"!!
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You mean you missed the 150 occasions when he lied about it? Talk about "selective memory"!!
He should have walked out 150 times. :)
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I don't know anything about Veterans Choice or what Trump said about it ever except what I posted above.
Here you go - just the first 30 seconds will do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMAeKNevSjE
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He should have walked out 150 times. :)
He was too busy lying about it to walk out. How do you think he got to 150?
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He was too busy lying about it to walk out. How do you think he got to 150?
Don't underestimate the effort needed to walk out - those clown shoes don't move themselves !
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Most of us have developed simple rules of thumb to address the problem of being buried under an avalanche of information. . . . Likewise on the forum . . . [emphasis supplied]
Nothing inappropriate about debating the credibility of various news media, but I fail to see how the second part of this post could remotely be considered a useful contribution to the discussion of the U.S. elections.
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Did you believe Hillary regarding email servers and confidential emails and that she only deleted private email of her mother-in-laws recipes? Did you believe her about Benghazi? Do you believe Joe Biden that his getting the prosecutor investigating his son's corporation in the Ukraine [fired=edit]was just the VP protecting America and not helping his son?
Yep...hook, line and sinker.
I ask why Trump is lying about Veterans Choice and this is what we get:
1. What about Hillary’s emails?
2. What about Benghazi?
3. What about Hunter Biden?
You certainly get the impression they are evading answering the question.
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Nothing inappropriate about debating the credibility of various news media, but I fail to see how the second part of this post could remotely be considered a useful contribution to the discussion of the U.S. elections.
Simple - it is just an illustration of the use of heuristics using a close-to-home example for clarity.
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I don't know anything about Veterans Choice or what Trump said about it ever except what I posted above. I haven't followed the story. In the current news conference when he was asked about it, he didn't answer so how could he have lied?
You have put up a pretty vigorous defense of Trump for not having any idea what we are talking about.
In this latest news conference, which you’ve admitted you didn’t watch, instead of lying about Veterans Choice for the 151st time, Trump just walked out when asked why he had lied about it 150 times before.
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I ask why Trump is lying about Veterans Choice and this is what we get:
1. What about Hillary’s emails?
2. What about Benghazi?
3. What about Hunter Biden?
You certainly get the impression they are evading answering the question.
I answered your question. Now why aren't you answering my questions? Is it OK the Biden is lying?
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I answered your question. Now why aren't you answering my questions? Is it OK the Biden is lying?
I haven’t heard Biden say anything in months. What did you have in mind?
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My shoes fit perfectly, thanks.
When a huge majority of global media transmit the same information, I tend to believe it.
When a tiny subset of the world's media transmits the opposite information, I tend to discount it.
Simple as that. Just like buying the correct shoe size.
When the vast majority of the global media simply recycles the same story from the original source ( see White House calls about Mount Rushmore story for example) , you are being played and you are too ( insert your favorite derogatory term here) to even know it. It’s how bad and lazy the MSN is these days. Still morons believe them. Now we know WHY you are constantly clueless.
When a small subset finds something different chances are they are doing the real reporting.
Maybe those shoes that are too tight for you ate cutting off the blood flow to your “brain”.
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When a small subset finds something different chances are they are doing the real reporting.
That has not been my experience, but I guess we all have different experiences with such things.
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That has not been my experience, but I guess we all have different experiences with such things.
Why? Because the MSN covers your biases so nicely?
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Why? Because the MSN covers your biases so nicely?
That must be it.
Did you pour the fixer in first today? You seem so angry.
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I am watching TV and they are talking about Biden's pick of Kamala Harris, and there is this poll up - I can't see whose - showing 32% are favorable about the choice, 34% unfavorable, 14% heard of her, no opinion, and 20% never heard of her. That 20% seems a little concerning. But then again, who ever heard of Mike Pence? Maybe 20% still haven't heard of him.
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That must be it.
Did you pour the fixer in first today? You seem so angry.
Angry? Not even close. Had a short day at work and it went very well, now I listening to a chill jazz mix on Apple Music on my pro buds. The lounger is kicked out, and I’m as chill as the music.
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I don't know if this story is true or not. I am on hold with the White House now. They are seeing if they can track down Trump for a confirmation. I still have to check with Hewitt.
"China will own the United States if this election is lost by Donald Trump," Trump, referring to himself in the third person, told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. "If I don't win the election, China will own the United States. You're going to have to learn to speak Chinese, you want to know the truth."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/trump-china-biden-learn-chinese/index.html
Now we know what all the unemployed will be doing. They won't be contact tracing; they'll be teaching Chinese.
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That must be it.
Did you pour the fixer in first today? You seem so angry.
There are those that don't require a trigger for being a rude obnoxious jerk. For some, there's a sense of pleasure from the feeling of superiority they derive from their name calling and insults. Others act that way as a distraction from the shallowness of their arguments. Often times, it's a cover for deeply rooted feelings of inferiority as is the case with many bullies and those that admire bullies. Unfortunately, it's often all of the above. The current President would be an example and is underscored by the need for continuous self-congratulation of what he perceives to be his own brilliance and accomplishments.
It's as much a case for pity for the practitioner as it is for scorn; at least it is on a forum such as this, where the only loss is in exposing the weakness of the argument that relies on insult. For someone with actual power over another that engages in such behavior, the pity is greatly attenuated.
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Maybe those shoes that are too tight for you ate cutting off the blood flow to your “brain”.
What? Someone ate a pair of shoes that were too tight?
A suggestion... When insulting someone, make sure that you have enough blood flow available to recognize the preview button.
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What? Someone ate a pair of shoes that were too tight?
A suggestion... When insulting someone, make sure that you have enough blood flow available to recognize the preview button.
Oh wait, the resident “most informed poster on the forum” is commenting on typos. How novel and enlightening.
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There are those that don't require a trigger for being a rude obnoxious jerk. For some, there's a sense of pleasure from the feeling of superiority they derive from their name calling and insults. Others act that way as a distraction from the shallowness of their arguments. Often times, it's a cover for deeply rooted feelings of inferiority as is the case with many bullies and those that admire bullies. Unfortunately, it's often all of the above. The current President would be an example and is underscored by the need for continuous self-congratulation of what he perceives to be his own brilliance and accomplishments.
It's as much a case for pity for the practitioner as it is for scorn; at least it is on a forum such as this, where the only loss is in exposing the weakness of the argument that relies on insult. For someone with actual power over another that engages in such behavior, the pity is greatly attenuated.
Obviously you have been reading your own posts. Bravo.
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Oh wait, the resident “most informed poster on the forum” is commenting on typos. How novel and enlightening.
Being aware of your concern for words and their proper context, I thought that you would appreciate it. I hope that you utilize the suggestion as it takes a lot of the life out of an insult when you mangle it with a typo like that.
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Being aware of your concern for words and their proper context, I thought that you would appreciate it. I hope that you utilize the suggestion as it takes a lot of the life out of an insult when you mangle it with a typo like that.
So nicely written and I do appreciate the courage you show posting behind your mask.
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Craig and TechTalk, grow up and contribute sensibly or stop posting.
Jeremy
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Craig and TechTalk, grow up and contribute sensibly or stop posting.
Jeremy
An excellent suggestion. I apologize for any contribution to the diversion from substantive discussion.
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I'd be interested to know how many people changed their password to person.woman.man.camera.tv
After all, it would take a stable genius to crack!
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I'd be interested to know how many people changed their password to person.woman.man.camera.tv
After all, it would take a stable genius to crack!
Notice the password has to do with television. No wonder he can remember it. It is all he thinks about. The man is obsessed with it.
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Notice the password has to do with television. No wonder he can remember it. It is all he thinks about. The man is obsessed with it.
Too bad he can't remember which war finished the n 1918.
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Too bad he can't remember which war finished the n 1918.
Everybody is entitled to a slip of the tongue now and again. It is just that I am unsure sometimes whether it is a slip of the tongue or ignorance. And of course the constant lying bothers me.
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Since this is the appropriate thread, all about politics with no 'ad hominems', I'll raise this interesting choice of Kamala Harris as running VP with Joe Biden.
However, I feel I must first mention that I'm not American, but Australian, and I'm not riled up or annoyed by any choices that the American people make, so I'm addressing this situation as an outsider with less political bias than most Americans.
When I first read in the Media that Kamala Harris had been chosen as running mate, I was quite impressed. She's academically well qualified, smart, tough, and at 55 is much younger than Joe Biden and capable of taking on the role of President should Joe Biden seriously falter and become unfit for the job.
I also got the impression from the media that she is half Indian (not American Indian), and half 'Black African', because her father emigrated to the US from Jamaica where most of the population is of African descent, because of the slaves imported by the British.
In view of the current chaos in America, such as the 'Black Lives Matter' protests, and so on, it seemed to me that choosing Kamala Harris as VP running mate is a sensible choice.
However, Kamala doesn't have the appearance of being half 'African American', and her father, Professor Donald Harris, doesn't have the appearance of being a 'Black African'.
A search on the internet revealed that Kamala's father has previously stated that he is descended from Hamilton Brown who was a 'white' slave owner in the British colony of Jamaica, so the question remains, 'does Kamala Harris have any African associations in her DNA?'
If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue. If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
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Since this is the appropriate thread, all about politics with no 'ad hominems', I'll raise this interesting choice of Kamala Harris as running VP with Joe Biden.
However, I feel I must first mention that I'm not American, but Australian, and I'm not riled up or annoyed by any choices that the American people make, so I'm addressing this situation as an outsider with less political bias than most Americans.
When I first read in the Media that Kamala Harris had been chosen as running mate, I was quite impressed. She's academically well qualified, smart, tough, and at 55 is much younger than Joe Biden and capable of taking on the role of President should Joe Biden seriously falter and become unfit for the job.
I also got the impression from the media that she is half Indian (not American Indian), and half 'Black African', because her father emigrated to the US from Jamaica where most of the population is of African descent, because of the slaves imported by the British.
In view of the current chaos in America, such as the 'Black Lives Matter' protests, and so on, it seemed to me that choosing Kamala Harris as VP running mate is a sensible choice.
However, Kamala doesn't have the appearance of being half 'African American', and her father, Professor Donald Harris, doesn't have the appearance of being a 'Black African'.
A search on the internet revealed that Kamala's father has previously stated that he is descended from Hamilton Brown who was a 'white' slave owner in the British colony of Jamaica, so the question remains, 'does Kamala Harris have any African associations in her DNA?'
If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue. If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
While I only speak for myself, it probably won't matter to most American blacks. After all, President Obama's mother was white and his father was a black man born in Africa whose ancestors were never slaves, at least American. American blacks consider Obama an American black. I suppose they will consider Harris an American black as well even though she too has no American slaves as ancestors. I really hope we all get past this race stuff. It does none of us any good.
The main issue is Biden and Trump. Frankly, the real main issue will be how Covid and the economy are doing in October when everyone starts voting by mail. If it's doing lousy, Trump will lose. If it's doing well, then the people will have to decide whether they want to stick with Trump's leadership and business skills or give Biden a chance despite his apparent age issues and ability to help the economy. I think Trump proved himself during the last four years despite the difficulty we're having recently because of the virus and the shutdown.
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While I only speak for myself, it probably won't matter to most American blacks. After all, President Obama's mother was white and his father was a black man born in Africa whose ancestors were never slaves, at least American. American blacks consider Obama an American black. I suppose they will consider Harris an American black as well even though she too has no American slaves as ancestors. I really hope we all get past this race stuff. It does none of us any good.
The main issue is Biden and Trump. Frankly, the real main issue will be how Covid and the economy are doing in October when everyone starts voting by mail. If it's doing lousy, Trump will lose. If it's doing well, then the people will have to decide whether they want to stick with Trump's leadership and business skills or give Biden a chance despite his apparent age issues and ability to help the economy. I think Trump proved himself during the last four years despite the difficulty we're having recently because of the virus and the shutdown.
Trump’s leadership and business skills? Dude is a crap CEO who BKs everything he touches and, like, 60% of the people he “leads” hate him. American banks won’t touch him and everyone that leaves his employ trashes him.
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Trump’s leadership and business skills? Dude is a crap CEO who BKs everything he touches and, like, 60% of the people he “leads” hate him. American banks won’t touch him and everyone that leaves his employ trashes him.
Biden never ran a business.
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Biden never ran a business.
trump is a failed businessman, with numerous bankruptcies, business failures, and ethics violations. If he is an example of a successful businessman, we're screwed. Aside from that, even if he was good at business, that means NOTHING in government. Two different animals.
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While I only speak for myself, it probably won't matter to most American blacks. After all, President Obama's mother was white and his father was a black man born in Africa whose ancestors were never slaves, at least American. American blacks consider Obama an American black. I suppose they will consider Harris an American black as well even though she too has no American slaves as ancestors.
There's no doubt that Barack Obama is at least partially Black African and can therefore identify with American Blacks, whether or not his ancestors were slaves.
The issue is whether Kamala Harris has any percentage of African ancestry. If she doesn't, then it would be just plain silly for anyone to consider her an American Black.
I'm speculating here, but I think it's possible that her father might have some Black African DNA, but he doesn't look nearly as black as Barack Obama, so he might be, say, 1/4th black. I think it was not unusual in the past for slave owners to have sex with their slaves.
I really hope we all get past this race stuff. It does none of us any good.
Racial prejudice does none of us any good, but being honest is the greatest good.
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A search on the internet revealed that Kamala's father has previously stated that he is descended from Hamilton Brown who was a 'white' slave owner in the British colony of Jamaica, so the question remains, 'does Kamala Harris have any African associations in her DNA?'
If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue. If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
As far as I’m aware the police don’t do a DNA test before they kneel on your neck. The issue isn’t the minutiae of her ancestry, it’s her experience as a “person of color “ living in the US.
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Hopefully this gives certain people pause....
“…you don’t have to be a racist to support Donald Trump, but, ultimately you have to comfortable with having a racist as President - and that something you think you’re getting from him being President is more important than him being a racist.”
Stuart Stevens - Former Chief Strategist Romney For President 2012.
Quoted from the interview below.
https://youtu.be/K8B6VTj4j0U
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Biden never ran a business.
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Biden never ran a business.
Is that a measure of anything relevant?
Did Nixon? Did Reagan? Did Kennedy? Did Eisenhower?
Other than his TV "reality" show, has Trump actually accomplished much that would prepare him for his current job? :)
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As far as I’m aware the police don’t do a DNA test before they kneel on your neck. The issue isn’t the minutiae of her ancestry, it’s her experience as a “person of color “ living in the US.
Exactly right.
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There's no doubt that Barack Obama is at least partially Black African and can therefore identify with American Blacks, whether or not his ancestors were slaves.
The issue is whether Kamala Harris has any percentage of African ancestry. If she doesn't, then it would be just plain silly for anyone to consider her an American Black.
I'm speculating here, but I think it's possible that her father might have some Black African DNA, but he doesn't look nearly as black as Barack Obama, so he might be, say, 1/4th black. I think it was not unusual in the past for slave owners to have sex with their slaves.
Racial prejudice does none of us any good, but being honest is the greatest good.
Is the descendence from slaves a relevant piece of information? Does that criterium matter to anyone?
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Since this is the appropriate thread, all about politics with no 'ad hominems', I'll raise this interesting choice of Kamala Harris as running VP with Joe Biden.
However, I feel I must first mention that I'm not American, but Australian, and I'm not riled up or annoyed by any choices that the American people make, so I'm addressing this situation as an outsider with less political bias than most Americans.
When I first read in the Media that Kamala Harris had been chosen as running mate, I was quite impressed. She's academically well qualified, smart, tough, and at 55 is much younger than Joe Biden and capable of taking on the role of President should Joe Biden seriously falter and become unfit for the job.
I also got the impression from the media that she is half Indian (not American Indian), and half 'Black African', because her father emigrated to the US from Jamaica where most of the population is of African descent, because of the slaves imported by the British.
In view of the current chaos in America, such as the 'Black Lives Matter' protests, and so on, it seemed to me that choosing Kamala Harris as VP running mate is a sensible choice.
However, Kamala doesn't have the appearance of being half 'African American', and her father, Professor Donald Harris, doesn't have the appearance of being a 'Black African'.
A search on the internet revealed that Kamala's father has previously stated that he is descended from Hamilton Brown who was a 'white' slave owner in the British colony of Jamaica, so the question remains, 'does Kamala Harris have any African associations in her DNA?'
If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue. If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
I gotta say, this is one of the stranger things I’ve read here. Are you asking if her father is actually just a swarthy white guy, and if she’s of Indian/Caucasian descent instead of being black? Not attacking you, I’m just not sure what you think is unclear/important.
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Is that a measure of anything relevant?
Did Nixon? Did Reagan? Did Kennedy? Did Eisenhower?
Other than his TV "reality" show, has Trump actually accomplished much that would prepare him for his current job? :)
Well, Biden has helped run up American debt for 40 years in politics.
Yes, running a business or being a governor is good experience for the presidency. Making executive decisions under fire compliments the position. Being a senator, and deciding how to vote on legislation, not so much.
Reagan was governor of California for 8 years. Eisenhower was the general in charge of Allied forces in Europe during WWII and won, Kennedy frankly was the weakest and nearly got us into WWIII with his stupid decision regarding the Bay of Pigs in Cuba and causing the Russians to set up shop there with nuclear tipped missiles. He was very inexperienced in running things. Nixon got himself fired as president because he didn't control his staff properly and let them run wild in Watergate. Trump doesn't waste any time firing you if you screw up. So yeah. Executive experience counts a lot. What did Biden do? It's true he was VP and saw decision making going on. But he wasn't the one making the hard decisions.
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If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue. If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
I am sure that Biden's campaign completely forgot to vet this characteristic of his running mate, and that Trump's crack team of private investigators just back from Hawaii will track this to ground. Meanwhile, let's believe everything we read about it on the internet.
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Well, Biden has helped run up American debt for 40 years in politics.
Yes, running a business or being a governor is good experience for the presidency. Making executive decisions under fire compliments the position. Being a senator, and deciding how to vote on legislation, not so much.
Reagan was governor of California for 8 years. Eisenhower was the general in charge of Allied forces in Europe during WWII and won, Kennedy frankly was the weakest and nearly got us into WWIII with his stupid decision regarding the Bay of Pigs in Cuba and causing the Russians to set up shop there with nuclear tipped missiles. He was very inexperienced in running things. Nixon got himself fired as president because he didn't control his staff properly and let them run wild in Watergate. Trump doesn't waste any time firing you if you screw up. So yeah. Executive experience counts a lot. What did Biden do? It's true he was VP and saw decision making going on. But he wasn't the one making the hard decisions.
I am too tired to look up all of Trump's disastrous business ventures. Let just say that if someone could screw something up, doesn't matter what, it's Trump. You post this tripe so often, I get the feeling you are trying to convince yourself of it.
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As far as I’m aware the police don’t do a DNA test before they kneel on your neck.
Of course not. Don't be silly ;D . George Floyd resisted arrest. The policeman's reaction in kneeling on his neck would not have occurred if George had not resisted arrest. The over-reaction of the police led to his death, and that over-reaction would have been influenced by the obvious awareness and prejudice that they were dealing with a 'Black American'. No DNA test required.
The issue isn’t the minutiae of her ancestry, it’s her experience as a “person of color “ living in the US.
I'm not American, but my impression is that the prejudice against 'Black Americans' is greater than the prejudice against 'Brown Americans', such as Asians and Hispanics. The difference is not minutiae.
The following article addresses the issue. It's a long article, so I'll select a few quotes for those who can't be bothered to read it.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/
"When asked about specific situations they may have experienced because of their race or ethnicity, blacks are considerably more likely than whites, Hispanics or Asians to say that people have acted as if they were suspicious of them; people have acted as if they thought they weren’t smart; they have been treated unfairly by an employer in hiring, pay or promotion; or they have been unfairly stopped by police. Hispanics and Asians are more likely than whites to say each of these have happened to them."
"A multivariate analysis suggests that Hispanics with darker skin tones are more likely than those with lighter skin to say they have ever experienced discrimination or been treated unfairly because of their race or ethnicity. Darker skin color is also associated with a higher likelihood among Hispanics of saying that – because of their race or ethnicity – people have acted as if they were suspicious of them, people have acted as if they thought they weren’t smart, they have been treated unfairly in employment situations, they have subject to slurs or jokes, and that they have feared for their safety."
"Blacks are more likely than other racial or ethnic groups to say being black hurts a lot: 42% say this vs. a third or fewer among Asians, whites and Hispanics."
"While blacks are more likely than people in most other racial and ethnic groups to say being black is a hindrance in getting ahead, just the opposite is true for Hispanics. Hispanics are the least likely to say being Hispanic hurts people’s ability to get ahead."
"Blacks are by far the most likely to say slavery continues to have an impact. More than eight-in-ten say slavery affects the position of black people at least a fair amount, including 59% who say it does so a great deal. By comparison, 26% of whites, 29% of Hispanics and 33% of Asians say slavery affects the situation of black people today a great deal, though majorities of each group say it does so at least a fair amount."
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There's too much discussion about race in American politics. I thought we got past that with President Obama. We really need to move on. We've got a devastating virus going around that's killing people and destroying our economy. The growing national debt is killing us. Both parties just want to print more money to solve the problem. Their plans are a disaster.
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There's too much discussion about race in American politics. I thought we got past that with President Obama. We really need to move on. We've got a devastating virus going around that's killing people and destroying our economy.
And disproportionately affects people of color. But let's gloss over that.
The growing national debt is killing us. Both parties just want to print more money to solve the problem. Their plans are a disaster.
Where have I heard this before? Why don't you just put this in your signature. It will save you from having to retype it every other post.
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I am sure that Biden's campaign completely forgot to vet this characteristic of his running mate, and that Trump's crack team of private investigators just back from Hawaii will track this to ground. Meanwhile, let's believe everything we read about it on the internet.
It will be fascinating to see how this develops. I rarely comment on the American political threads, but I do read the comments and find the plethora of conflicting and chaotic views amazing. :D
There appears to be quite a few contentious issues regarding Kamala Harris. She admits she smoked Marijuana, and inhaled it, unlike Bill Clinton. ;D
It also seems she's in favour of legalizing Marijuana across all of the US. She's been heavily criticized by her own father for this attitude.
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And disproportionately affects people of color. But let's gloss over that.
Where have I heard this before? Why don't you just put this in your signature. It will save you from having to retype it every other post.
Frank, I'm sure if we go back, we'll see you repeated yourself too ad nauseum. We're up to 27 pages here.
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It will be fascinating to see how this develops. I rarely comment on the American political threads, but I do read the comments and find the plethora of conflicting and chaotic views amazing. :D
There appears to be quite a few contentious issues regarding Kamala Harris. She admits she smoked Marijuana, and inhaled it, unlike Bill Clinton. ;D
It also seems she's in favour of legalizing Marijuana across all of the US. She's been heavily criticized by her own father for this attitude.
The question is did she ever exhale it?
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The question is did she ever exhale it?
Of course she did; with huge amounts of CO2. ;D
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It also seems she's in favour of legalizing Marijuana across all of the US. She's been heavily criticized by her own father for this attitude.
Seriously? It is of note that her father disapproves? What other issues should we consult him on?
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Seriously? It is of note that her father disapproves? What other issues should we consult him on?
Of course it is. It's one of hundreds of things to note. Don't Americans want to know about the characteristics, background and history of a possible future president? If they don't, perhaps that's why they are currently in such a mess. :(
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Of course it is. It's one of hundreds of things to note. Don't Americans want to know about the characteristics, background and history of a possible future president? If they don't, perhaps that's why they are currently in such a mess. :(
Carry on with your internet search of Kamala's Harris's father's view on current political issues.
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Of course it is. It's one of hundreds of things to note. Don't Americans want to know about the characteristics, background and history of a possible future president? If they don't, perhaps that's why they are currently in such a mess. :(
Conservative intellectual and commentator William Buckley Jr., now deceased, once suggested that we'd be better off having the first 435 people listed in the Boston telephone directory as our congressmen than the people we have there now. I think that was a good suggestion.
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There's too much discussion about race in American politics.
Maybe you think that 'cos you're white and don't actually have any idea what it's like being black?
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Of course not. Don't be silly ;D . George Floyd resisted arrest. The policeman's reaction in kneeling on his neck would not have occurred if George had not resisted arrest.
Tells me all I need to know. Rest is in the bit bucket.
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Carry on with your internet search of Kamala's Harris's father's view on current political issues.
The last I read, Kamala's father has stated that he won't be interviewed or make any further comments now that his daughter has been nominated as VP in the future elections. Secrecy prevails. ;)
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Maybe you think that 'cos you're white and don't actually have any idea what it's like being black?
Stop with the black lingo. You're not Hillary.
We've had a black president already, for two terms. Discussing a black candidate for VP ad nauseum - is not a big deal. Let's move on. The country has bigger fish to fry.
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The last I read, Kamala's father has stated that he won't be interviewed or make any further comments now that his daughter has been nominated as VP in the future elections. Secrecy prevails. ;)
I am sure if you dig hard enough you can find something. There are always holes in a conspirator's web.
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Discussing a black candidate for VP ad nauseum - is not a big deal. Let's move on.
You were pretty hyped up about it yesterday. Did you burn yourself out?
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Of course not. Don't be silly ;D . George Floyd resisted arrest. The policeman's reaction in kneeling on his neck would not have occurred if George had not resisted arrest. The over-reaction of the police led to his death, and that over-reaction would have been influenced by the obvious awareness and prejudice that they were dealing with a 'Black American'. No DNA test required.
I'm not American, but my impression is that the prejudice against 'Black Americans' is greater than the prejudice against 'Brown Americans', such as Asians and Hispanics. The difference is not minutiae.
The following article addresses the issue. It's a long article, so I'll select a few quotes for those who can't be bothered to read it.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/
"When asked about specific situations they may have experienced because of their race or ethnicity, blacks are considerably more likely than whites, Hispanics or Asians to say that people have acted as if they were suspicious of them; people have acted as if they thought they weren’t smart; they have been treated unfairly by an employer in hiring, pay or promotion; or they have been unfairly stopped by police. Hispanics and Asians are more likely than whites to say each of these have happened to them."
"A multivariate analysis suggests that Hispanics with darker skin tones are more likely than those with lighter skin to say they have ever experienced discrimination or been treated unfairly because of their race or ethnicity. Darker skin color is also associated with a higher likelihood among Hispanics of saying that – because of their race or ethnicity – people have acted as if they were suspicious of them, people have acted as if they thought they weren’t smart, they have been treated unfairly in employment situations, they have subject to slurs or jokes, and that they have feared for their safety."
"Blacks are more likely than other racial or ethnic groups to say being black hurts a lot: 42% say this vs. a third or fewer among Asians, whites and Hispanics."
"While blacks are more likely than people in most other racial and ethnic groups to say being black is a hindrance in getting ahead, just the opposite is true for Hispanics. Hispanics are the least likely to say being Hispanic hurts people’s ability to get ahead."
"Blacks are by far the most likely to say slavery continues to have an impact. More than eight-in-ten say slavery affects the position of black people at least a fair amount, including 59% who say it does so a great deal. By comparison, 26% of whites, 29% of Hispanics and 33% of Asians say slavery affects the situation of black people today a great deal, though majorities of each group say it does so at least a fair amount."
I suggest you watch ths before talking about resiting arrest:
https://www.1011now.com/2020/08/11/graphic-court-releases-body-cam-footage-from-george-floyd-arrest/
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A timely diplomatic success for Trump.
Trump announces historic peace agreement between Israel and United Arab Emirates
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-announces-historic-peace-agreement-between-israel-and-united-arab-emirates/2020/08/13/363f3c54-dd76-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html
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A timely diplomatic success for Trump.
“I’ve kept us out of war,” Trump said.
Maybe I haven't been following Middle East politics closely enough, but when were the UAE and Israel on the precipice of war?
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“I’ve kept us out of war,” Trump said.
Maybe I haven't been following Middle East politics closely enough, but when were the UAE and Israel on the precipice of war?
Except for Egypt and Jordan who signed a peace treaty with Israel years ago, the rest of the Arab countries have been in a defacto war with Israel since one of the earlier actual wars. Additionally, this makes these three countries the only Arab states to have diplomatic relations with Israel. "Additionally, Israel will suspend its plans to annex part of the West Bank as part of the deal, according to a joint statement from the three countries."
It would be like America signing a peace treaty with North Korea and opening up diplomatic relations with it. It's a big deal.
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It would be like America signing a peace treaty with North Korea and opening up diplomatic relations with it. It's a big deal.
Any agreement between Israel and an Arab state is an improvement in Middle East relations, so I certainly applaud it.
I have not seen the details about which part of the West Bank Israel has agreed not to annex, so I can't speak to that aspect of the agreement, but any agreement on this issue is a step forward.
I can't find any information concerning the UAE having declared war on Israel, or any armed incursions, or any deaths of Israeli or UAE soldiers. I am not seeing a US-North Korea parallel.
How is the issue of a Palestinian homeland coming along?
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Any agreement between Israel and an Arab state is an improvement in Middle East relations, so I certainly applaud it.
I have not seen the details about which part of the West Bank Israel has agreed not to annex, so I can't speak to that aspect of the agreement, but any agreement on this issue is a step forward.
I can't find any information concerning the UAE having declared war on Israel, or any armed incursions, or any deaths of Israeli or UAE soldiers. I am not seeing a US-North Korea parallel.
How is the issue of a Palestinian homeland coming along?
Well we fought a war with North Korea that ended in an end to hostilities but never a peace treaty. That was in 1953. We've had no diplomatic relations with them. While the "war" between UAE was non-existent I believe, all the Arab states including the UAE took a harsh stand against Israel and declared they would destroy it. Also, there have been four wars at least between Israel and other Arab states including Jordan and Egypt that made peace years ago. So any kind of a "peace treaty" with another Arab nation and diplomatic relations is a step forward. Since Trump was helpful in getting it done, he deserves credit for it.
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Since Trump was helpful in getting it done, he deserves credit for it.
Yes, but his charactering the deal as "I've kept us out of war" and you characterizing the deal as the equivalent of a US-North Korea peace treaty are both hyperbolic to say the least.
It's like him claiming $400 in unemployment benefits when they really are just $300, and which are supposed to go through December 6th when the money is going to run out in four or five weeks.
Or his FHA eviction moratorium which is nothing more than a directive to look into it. And if they ever figure something out, it won't apply to 90% of renters.
Or even something as petty as him futzing with the elevator control panels so Trump Tower looks like it has ten more floors than it actually does.
There's always some bullshit with Trump.
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And the US takes another step.towards dictatorship as Trump chips away at the cornerstone of democracy, the right to vote
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Yes, but his charactering the deal as "I've kept us out of war" and you characterizing the deal as the equivalent of a US-North Korea peace treaty are both hyperbolic to say the least.
It's like him claiming $400 in unemployment benefits when they really are just $300, and which are supposed to go through December 6th when the money is going to run out in four or five weeks.
Or his FHA eviction moratorium which is nothing more than a directive to look into it. And if they ever figure something out, it won't apply to 90% of renters.
Or even something as petty as him futzing with the elevator control panels so Trump Tower looks like it has ten more floors than it actually does.
There's always some bullshit with Trump.
Or his executive order on pre-existing conditions which was ALREADY THE LAW
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Or his executive order on pre-existing conditions which was ALREADY THE LAW
He hasn't signed it yet. I can't imagine it being enforceable anyway. When asked about why he was signing an executive order about something that was already the law, he said it is "a double safety net." Sounds like something from Animal House.
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And the US takes another step.towards dictatorship as Trump chips away at the cornerstone of democracy, the right to vote
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
And liberals keep on ignoring the obvious signs that a vote by mail election would be a complete and abject disaster. Below is a NYTs article on the NYC primaries that were largely based off of mail in ballots. In short, 21% (that's over a 1/5) of all ballots were invalidated due to a few reasons, all of which would not have been an issue with in person voting.
After this and the Iowa Caucus, I dont know how anyone can trust Democrats on running an election anymore, especially with trying something new for the first time. Furthermore, considering 86% of Republicans but only 45% of Democrats plan on voting in person, the drastic increase in vote by mail is only going to help the republicans. Many more ballots from Dems will be invalidated. Plus longer voting lines due to fewer polling places will mean only the most enthusiastic will wait, and there is no enthusiasm to vote for Biden.
Why the Botched N.Y.C. Primary Has ... (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/nyregion/nyc-mail-ballots-voting.html?fbclid=IwAR1N7M02m0xm3bzRa9TwcAK9XVvk1XK7UrDyCBlw7h4Da0V8CEctM4an1oM)
Yes, I'm back. Jeremy R was kind enough to give me a week off after my heated remarks about James (I believe), and then I decided to give myself another month.
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Yes, but his charactering the deal as "I've kept us out of war" and you characterizing the deal as the equivalent of a US-North Korea peace treaty are both hyperbolic to say the least.
It's like him claiming $400 in unemployment benefits when they really are just $300, and which are supposed to go through December 6th when the money is going to run out in four or five weeks.
Or his FHA eviction moratorium which is nothing more than a directive to look into it. And if they ever figure something out, it won't apply to 90% of renters.
Or even something as petty as him futzing with the elevator control panels so Trump Tower looks like it has ten more floors than it actually does.
There's always some bullshit with Trump.
We've been through this before. Trump is trying to help the unemployed who have to pay rent. A president is not the Congress. They are charged with legislating, not the president. You can can't expect him to dot every "i" and cross every "t". That's Congress's job. And the Democrats have abandoned these people refusing to give them anything unless the states get a trillion dollars in aid. That's a separate issue, a huge funding and debt issue, that could be discussed separately. In the meanwhile, they should pass the extension to the PPP for the unemployed.
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We've been through this before. Trump is trying to help the unemployed who have to pay rent. A president is not the Congress. They are charged with legislating, not the president. You can can't expect him to dot every "i" and cross every "t". That's Congress's job. And the Democrats have abandoned these people refusing to give them anything unless the states get a trillion dollars in aid. That's a separate issue, a huge funding and debt issue, that could be discussed separately. In the meanwhile, they should pass the extension to the PPP for the unemployed.
So that's your excuse for him lying about it?
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So that's your excuse for him lying about it?
He's not lying about it. I heard him say in the news conference that $300 will be paid by the Feds while the states have to pay the $100. The unemployed voters who can't pay rent next month without Trump and because of Pelosi and the Democrats don't care how many floors there are in Trump Towers.
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He's not lying about it. I heard him say in the news conference that $300 will be paid by the Feds while the states have to pay the $100. The unemployed voters who can't pay rent next month without Trump and because of Pelosi and the Democrats don't care how many floors there are in Trump Towers.
It's not what he said at his golf club when he first rolled this out. It came out the following day when the press looked at, and reported on, what was actually in the executive order. By then, the jig was up.
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It's not what he said at his golf club when he first rolled this out. It came out the following day when the press looked at, and reported on, what was actually in the executive order.
Explain that all to the unemployed voters.
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And liberals keep on ignoring the obvious signs that a vote by mail election would be a complete and abject disaster. Below is a NYTs article on the NYC primaries that were largely based off of mail in bailouts. In short, 21% (that's over a 1/5) of all bailouts were invalidated due to a few reasons, all of which would not have been an issue with in person voting.
After this and the Iowa Caucus, I dont know how anyone can trust Democrats on running an election anymore, especially with trying something new for the first time. Furthermore, considering 86% of Republicans but only 45% of Democrats plan on voting in person, the drastic increase in vote by mail is only going to help the republicans. Many more bailouts from Dems will be invalidated. Plus longer voting lines due to fewer polling places will mean only the most enthusiastic will wait, and there is no enthusiasm to vote for Biden.
Why the Botched N.Y.C. Primary Has ... (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/nyregion/nyc-mail-ballots-voting.html?fbclid=IwAR1N7M02m0xm3bzRa9TwcAK9XVvk1XK7UrDyCBlw7h4Da0V8CEctM4an1oM)
An honest president would react by making sure that the USPS was equipped to handle the ballots (note the spelling) and not try to undermine democracy by hindering the vote. Oh, sorry, I said "honest president". My mistake.
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Explain that all to the unemployed voters.
Explain that Trump denied them the support they were getting previously? I'd imagine that that's happening as we speak.
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An honest president would react by making sure that the USPS was equipped to handle the ballots (note the spelling) and not try to undermine democracy by hindering the vote. Oh, sorry, I said "honest president". My mistake.
And how would that solve the rather large number of ballots that were invalidated because people just forgot to sign them? Oh yes, that's right, the Dems also want to not just make it so you dont need any ID, but that you also dont even need to sign ballots anymore. (This is actually in their version of the bill specifically due to the NYC screw up.)
The fact is, there is no way of making the USPS equipped enough without implementing automation, which has been vehemently fought by the Dems for years. To equip the USPS with more automation would take longer then a few months, since you need to start planning logistics, create machine designs, then build them, perhaps expand into new buildings, etc. This would be a multi-year approach. Half-assing it in a couple of months would result in what we saw recently in NYC and in Iowa earlier this year.
Even if they just hired a few 1000 more postman, they would have to be trained. Not to mention, I would find it difficult to imagine you could only hire them as temps since the union is so strong they would fight for them being permanent employees. This would create another mess in the future that would require another bailout.
Sorry Jeremy, but it is you that is not being honest.
BTW, thanks for catching my spelling error.
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The Post Office handles 472 million pieces of mail a day. Now if they would stop pulling those automatic sorting machines out of the post offices.
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-turning-off-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election-2020-8
And Trump said mail in was okay in Florida. Do they have their own post office?
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The Post Office handles 472 million pieces of mail a day. Now if they would stop pulling those automatic sorting machines out of the post offices.
https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-turning-off-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election-2020-8
And Trump said mail in was okay in Florida. Do they have their own post office?
As usually the real meat is at the end of the article.
"But experts have said that Trump's assertion that the USPS won't be able to process mail-in voting without a larger budget is faulty. Amber McReynolds, the former director of the Denver Elections Division and the CEO of the National Vote At Home Institute, told Business Insider in April that election-related mail likely wouldn't strain the service."
If mail-in ballots wont cause any strain, why the need for $25B?
Now, insofar as deactivating the machines, it does not say why nor how many sorting machines the post office has. If they are deactivating 14 out of 14 machines, that would be an issue. But if it is 14 out of 1000, not that much to worry about. As far as why, maybe they are older machines that use a lot more power and more expensive to run?
Not exactly great reporting here. I need more information to make up my mind on this.
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If mail-in ballots wont cause any strain, why the need for $25B?
I seem to recall 3.5 billion was for the mail in ballots and the balance was for annual budget. But I could be wrong. I just don't care enough about arguing with you to bother looking them up again.
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I seem to recall 3.5 billion was for the mail in ballots and the balance was for annual budget. But I could be wrong. I just don't care enough about arguing with you to bother looking them up again.
Well to honest, I would be fine with the $25B if the majority of it went to solve budget shortfalls. However, I would only agree to this if the bill also made it so the USPS can be run completely separate from congress without the need of congressional approval to make business decisions.
The nix on signing ballots would be a deal breaker for me also. Sorry, but you need to have some way of ensuring ballots are filled out by the right person before being mailed, even if that means a large percentage of idiots will forget to sign them making their ballots invalidated.
At the end of the day though, I still think we should go the Joe Rogan route, vote over the Internet. Maybe in 50 years the government will finally jump on that. I know all Apple devices have fingerprint scanners in them now; how common is this in other computers? I feel like you could make this work and have it be pretty secure.
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Here is the article I read:
"Democrats passed legislation in May that would allocate $25 billion over three years to the Postal Service as part of broader coronavirus relief. Democratic leaders have proposed an additional $3.5 billion in supplemental funding to be used for election resources amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has complicated in-person voting."
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511835-trump-says-no-post-office-funding-means-democrats-cant-have-universal
As usual, Trump is farting a cloud of misinformation about the post office funding.
The ballots need to be signed. If you forget to do so, it is your own fault your ballot is not counted. I don't know whether the Democrats or the Republicans have the larger pool of voters who are either too dumb or too absent minded to sign their ballot. If you don't think you can handle the signing part, vote in person. A nice little old lady showed me where I had to sign when I voted in person the last time around. In truth, it doesn't matter whether I vote or not as I live in a red state that Trump carried by double digits. But I'll do my civic duty and most likely vote in person. I'd have to drive the mail in ballot to the post office anyway. People have been going around taking mail out of the mail boxes in our neighborhood hoping to find bill payment checks so they can forge themselves as payee and buy who knows what. Maybe groceries. The polling place is right next to the post office. There is a long window for early voting so no long lines to worry about.
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He's not lying about it. I heard him say in the news conference that $300 will be paid by the Feds while the states have to pay the $100. The unemployed voters who can't pay rent next month without Trump and because of Pelosi and the Democrats don't care how many floors there are in Trump Towers.
The fact is that the Dems wanted to give the unemployed more and the Reps in congress refused. So somehow this is the Dem's fault? And last I read the constitution, money could not be spent without congressional authorization so Trump's action is blatantly unconstitutional, as even a Rep senator has said. But he may yet get away with it as almost all the Rep congressmen and all too many judges have their lips glued firmly to his ass.
I think some more aid to the unemployed is a good thing, but from Trump it is one of the most blatant vote-buying acts in history.
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ere is the article I read:
"Democrats passed legislation in May that would allocate $25 billion over three years to the Postal Service as part of broader coronavirus relief. Democratic leaders have proposed an additional $3.5 billion in supplemental funding to be used for election resources amid the coronavirus pandemic, which has complicated in-person voting."
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511835-trump-says-no-post-office-funding-means-democrats-cant-have-universal
Why Frank, thanks so much for showing you care enough to look this up! I'm going to live high on this for the rest of the week. ;D
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The fact is that the Dems wanted to give the unemployed more and the Reps in congress refused. So somehow this is the Dem's fault? And last I read the constitution, money could not be spent without congressional authorization so Trump's action is blatantly unconstitutional, as even a Rep senator has said. But he may yet get away with it as almost all the Rep congressmen and all too many judges have their lips glued firmly to his ass.
I think some more aid to the unemployed is a good thing, but from Trump it is one of the most blatant vote-buying acts in history.
Just like DACA was with Obama, unconstitutional and vote buying. And don't forget, just a few weeks ago the Supreme Court, with its DACA ruling, cemented the precedent that presidents can do unconstitutional acts and we cant stop them until all of the administration actions are taken (with every t crossed and i dotted on our part). Unintended consequences of TDS, got to love them.
To be honest though, I dont like any of this, including the additional money for the unemployed. The extra $600 per week made it so 4 out of 5 workers in the US were getting more staying home then working. It has been documented that many employers could not reopen since their employees wanted to stay on unemployment. This is just not healthy for the economy and I feel it should have just been ended.
Insofar as these unconstitutional edicts, which they are, the Dems really dont have any way to fight it. Politically it was a brilliant move, especially since McConnell endorsed it, even if I dont like it. The Dems no longer have any bargaining power, since this shields the Republicans. If the Dems sue to stop Trump, they will be screwing over average Americans in an election year, not a good look. All they can do is piss and moan, which only helps the Republican narrative that they purposely sabotaged the bill for their own pet projects.
I should note, I know quite a few moderate Dems that are becoming disenfranchised with the party over stuff like this, and the lockdowns. My wife recently went to her Dentist, who is a Democrat, and he was just demoralized by everything party has been doing. Now, I am not saying that all of these moderate will vote for Trump, but I would not be surprised if they just stayed home. The notion on the left that there is such a exhaust with Trump that the Dems can do anything they want and still win is a false notion.
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Why Frank, thanks so much for showing you care enough to look this up! I'm going to live high on this for the rest of the week. ;D
Yeah, I had a cup of coffee and it kept nagging at me so I looked it up. I just wanted to make sure my memory wasn't failing me. I got up way too early this morning.
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This should be interesting. Right up your alley Joe.
Judge orders Trump campaign to produce evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html
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I also got the impression from the media that she is half Indian (not American Indian), and half 'Black African', because her father emigrated to the US from Jamaica where most of the population is of African descent, because of the slaves imported by the British.
Kamala Harris is mixed race of Indian and African-Jamaican heritage born in America. Spain was the first to colonize Jamaica in the early 1500s and to import slaves from Africa. The Spanish colonists did not bring women in the first expeditions. The start of a Jamaican mixed race population begins over 500 years ago. When the British invaded in 1655, Jamaica's entire population consisted of around 2,500 people. By 1800, there were over 250,000 African slaves working plantations. The British were responsible for the dramatic expansion of population in Jamaica thru importation of slaves, but the roots extend further back. Due to the exploitation of female slaves, there was a proliferation of mixed race slaves. There was a classification system for this. Here's a couple of pages from a 1798 history listing their classifications... https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-history-civil-and-commercial-of-the-west-indies (https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-history-civil-and-commercial-of-the-west-indies)
However, Kamala doesn't have the appearance of being half 'African American', and her father, Professor Donald Harris, doesn't have the appearance of being a 'Black African'.
I have no idea what you expect in the appearance of mixed race people. Kamala Harris is of Indian/African-Jamaican heritage. Her father is African-Jamaican.
A search on the internet revealed that Kamala's father has previously stated that he is descended from Hamilton Brown who was a 'white' slave owner in the British colony of Jamaica, so the question remains, 'does Kamala Harris have any African associations in her DNA?'
There is no question. None. Since appearances matter to you, here's a picture of baby Kamala sitting on her great-grandmother's lap... https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/2018/10/2.-Miss-Iris-with-her-greatgranddaughter-Kamala-©-Donald-J (https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2.-Miss-Iris-with-her-greatgranddaughter-Kamala-©-Donald-J-1024x755.jpg) and here's her other paternal great-grandmother... https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/miss_chrishy (https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/miss_chrishy-725x1024.jpg)
If she is appealing to African American voters, this is surely an issue, and I would suggest that Kamala, and/or her father, clarify this issue.
There is no issue and nothing to clarify.
If they cover it up, it will be fuel for the opposition.
There is nothing to cover up.
it will be fuel for the opposition.
Undoubtedly. It will be used as fuel for the conspiracy minded by extreme right-wing media. In fact, it already is.
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This should be interesting. Right up your alley Joe.
Judge orders Trump campaign to produce evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-lawsuit-pennsylvania/index.html
I'm more of a Hanlon's razor kind of guy and not one to go along with the voter fraud narrative. However, like I alluded to before, the logistical nightmare mail in voting will produce with such short notice is more likely then not, which is not fraud. If you need evidence this will happen, just look to NYC recent primary. It is going to be 2000 all over again, only in multiple states this time. Should be fun, having Thanksgiving without yet knowing who won.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
What I ultimately think will happen is that many more Dems will vote by mail with many more Republicans will vote in person, which will create two positives for Reps. First, since states are not having as many polling places as usuals, there will be long lines. Since Dems are not really enthusiastic about Biden, there will a decent amount of Dems who just choose not to vote over the wait time. However, since so many Republicans are enthusiastic, the vast majority will vote. Second, in a couple of the swing states, counting the mail in ballots will become a nightmare with the courts ultimately coming and invalidating a large percentage of votes, just like in NYC. Since so many more Dems are voting by mail, this will hurt the left and cause Trump to win on a technicality. Oh yeah, throw in the acquittal of Derek Chauvin since it is now obvious he was overcharged with 2nd degree murder and should have been charge with manslaughter.
Shortly thereafter, we will descend into Hell.
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It is going to be 2000 all over again, only in multiple states this time. Should be fun, having Thanksgiving without yet knowing who won.
I definitely don't want to be watching some guy's eyes bug out over hanging chads for hours on end again. I really don't need to know anything on November 3rd. What is another couple of weeks anyway. People are too impatient. Got to have everything yesterday. Mad if the stuff they ordered from Amazon on Sunday morning isn't there by 5:00 pm. The only problem is that it screws up cable news coverage. They've got the big board up and nothing to say. So they say nothing with as many words as possible.
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Except for Egypt and Jordan who signed a peace treaty with Israel years ago, the rest of the Arab countries have been in a defacto war with Israel since one of the earlier actual wars.
For most of the time, de jure, not de facto (two words): no fighting.
Jeremy
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Yes, I'm back. Jeremy R was kind enough to give me a week off after my heated remarks about James (I believe), and then I decided to give myself another month.
Nothing's changed, has it?
Jeremy
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For most of the time, de jure, not de facto (two words): no fighting.
In this case, it is neither. There was no fighting because there was no war.
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This will be the first presidential election since 1982 in which the Republican Party has not been bound by a Federal Court Consent Decree which limited their election security and polling place activities without first getting permission from the court. This stems from a 1981 DNC lawsuit over minority voter suppression and polling place intimidation activities by the Republican Party in a New Jersey gubernatorial election. As a historical side-note, Roger Stone was the Republican campaign manager. Because the Republican National Committee organized the voter caging and armed patrols outside of polling places, the decree was enforced nationwide.
https://theconversation.com/armed-poll-watchers-new-jerseys-cautionary-tale-ahead-of-the-2020-presidential-election (https://theconversation.com/armed-poll-watchers-new-jerseys-cautionary-tale-ahead-of-the-2020-presidential-election-141328)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Security_Task_Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_Security_Task_Force)
The Federal Court Decree expired at the end of 2017. It will be interesting to see how that plays out in November.
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And how would that solve the rather large number of ballots that were invalidated because people just forgot to sign them? Oh yes, that's right, the Dems also want to not just make it so you dont need any ID, but that you also dont even need to sign ballots anymore.
Signatures are an essential requirement for mail-in ballots not only to deter potential fraud, but also to to provide evidence when challengers argue the existence of actual fraud. Although apparently there is little credible evidence that significant ballot fraud has been committed in previous U.S. federal elections, the ability to compare signatures on mailed-in ballots with signatures on voter-registration documents―assuming it is done fairly and with appropriate safeguards against partisan bias―is in an important element of maintaining public trust in the integrity of the electoral process.
At the end of the day though, I still think we should . . . vote over the Internet. Maybe in 50 years the government will finally jump on that. I know all Apple devices have fingerprint scanners in them now; how common is this in other computers? I feel like you could make this work and have it be pretty secure.
I don't claim to be an expert in these matters, but I have some experience performing information security functions for the federal government, including dealing with attacks by foreign adversaries, which, according to publicly-available reports of intelligence evaluations, constitute a significant current threat to the electoral process.
While I certainly wouldn't want to foreclose an online voting option in federal elections, I rather doubt it would be possible to implement in an acceptably (and provably) secure manner―at least in a country the size of the United States―without creating a national identity card with strongly-encrypted credentials similar to those used in the personal identity verification cards issued to federal employees.
Cellphones that are currently available are not a secure alternative. Nor are state driver's licenses that conform to the federal Real-ID standard (https://www.dhs.gov/real-id). Until now, at least, the political opposition to creating a national identity card remains intense among both right- and left-wing libertarians.
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Nothing's changed, has it?
Jeremy
Is that a quip against me or the Coffee Corner in general?
I meant no offense to you BTW and harbor no ill feelings keep in mind. And in all seriousness I often get James and John mixed up, just like with loose and lose.
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Kamala Harris is mixed race of Indian and African-Jamaican heritage born in America. Spain was the first to colonize Jamaica in the early 1500s and to import slaves from Africa. The Spanish colonists did not bring women in the first expeditions. The start of a Jamaican mixed race population begins over 500 years ago. When the British invaded in 1655, Jamaica's entire population consisted of around 2,500 people. By 1800, there were over 250,000 African slaves working plantations. The British were responsible for the dramatic expansion of population in Jamaica thru importation of slaves, but the roots extend further back. Due to the exploitation of female slaves, there was a proliferation of mixed race slaves. There was a classification system for this. Here's a couple of pages from a 1798 history listing their classifications... https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-history-civil-and-commercial-of-the-west-indies (https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/the-history-civil-and-commercial-of-the-west-indies)
I have no idea what you expect in the appearance of mixed race people. Kamala Harris is of Indian/African-Jamaican heritage. Her father is African-Jamaican.
There is no question. None. Since appearances matter to you, here's a picture of baby Kamala sitting on her great-grandmother's lap... https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/2018/10/2.-Miss-Iris-with-her-greatgranddaughter-Kamala-©-Donald-J (https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2.-Miss-Iris-with-her-greatgranddaughter-Kamala-©-Donald-J-1024x755.jpg) and here's her other paternal great-grandmother... https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/miss_chrishy (https://www.jamaicaglobalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/miss_chrishy-725x1024.jpg)
There is no issue and nothing to clarify.
There is nothing to cover up.
Undoubtedly. It will be used as fuel for the conspiracy minded by extreme right-wing media. In fact, it already is.
Thanks at least for your attempt at clarification, despite claiming there is nothing to clarify.
My impression is that Kamala Harris is a mixture of three racial groups; Indian Asian, Black African, and White Caucasian, with the 'Indian Asian' aspect predominating and the 'White' part coming from an Irish slave owner, Hamilton Brown. Have I got that right?
Seems she's the perfect Presidential candidate for a racially-torn USA. ;)
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Hopefully this gives certain people pause....
“…you don’t have to be a racist to support Donald Trump, but, ultimately you have to comfortable with having a racist as President - and that something you think you’re getting from him being President is more important than him being a racist.”
Stuart Stevens - Former Chief Strategist Romney For President 2012.
Quoted from the interview below.
https://youtu.be/K8B6VTj4j0U
Ezra Klein at Vox has a much longer audio podcast interview with Stuart Stevens. I found it very interesting.
"For 30 years, Stuart Stevens was one of the most influential operatives in Republican politics. He was Mitt Romney’s top strategist in 2012, served in key roles on both of George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns, and worked on dozens of congressional and gubernatorial campaigns — building one of the best winning records in politics. Then Stevens watched his party throw its support behind a man who stood against everything he believed in, or thought he believed in.
Most dissidents from Trumpism take a familiar line: They didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left them. But for Stevens, Trump forced a more fundamental rethinking: The problem, he believes, is not that the GOP became something it wasn’t; it’s that many of those within it — including him — failed to see what it actually was. In Stevens’s new book, It Was All a Lie, he delivers a searing indictment of the party he helped build, and his role in it."
https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast/2020/8/10/stuart-stevens-gop-republicans-trump-romney-ezra-klein (https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast/2020/8/10/21361966/stuart-stevens-gop-republicans-trump-romney-ezra-klein)
*Edit... A better interview with Stuart Stevens is on NPR Fresh Air... https://www.npr.org/2020/08/11/veteran-gop-strategist-takes-on-trump-and-his-party-in-it-was-all-a-lie (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/11/901274491/veteran-gop-strategist-takes-on-trump-and-his-party-in-it-was-all-a-lie)
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I suggest you watch ths before talking about resiting arrest:
https://www.1011now.com/2020/08/11/graphic-court-releases-body-cam-footage-from-george-floyd-arrest/
Your linked article makes it clear than Floyd did resist arrest. Here are the relevant quotes.
"Floyd is soon pulled from the car. He struggles when Lane and Officer J. Alexander Kueng try to handcuff him."
"This is what the public couldn't see well from surveillance or bystander videos. Floyd initially resists getting into the police vehicle and is then pushed from one side by Kueng."
However, please don't assume that I am excusing the police behaviour. It seems clear that the police overreacted because they were dealing with a Black American, and it seems clear that Floyd was scared stiff, for whatever reason; probably because he was aware that police tend to deal more harshly with Black Americans.
Do you think Floyd would have died if he had submitted calmly to the police and followed their instructions?
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Is that a quip against me or the Coffee Corner in general?
I meant no offense to you BTW and harbor no ill feelings keep in mind. And in all seriousness I often get James and John mixed up, just like with loose and lose.
By all means, confuse me with a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist anytime. Welcome back.
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The fact is that the Dems wanted to give the unemployed more and the Reps in congress refused. So somehow this is the Dem's fault? And last I read the constitution, money could not be spent without congressional authorization so Trump's action is blatantly unconstitutional, as even a Rep senator has said. But he may yet get away with it as almost all the Rep congressmen and all too many judges have their lips glued firmly to his ass.
I think some more aid to the unemployed is a good thing, but from Trump it is one of the most blatant vote-buying acts in history.
And Democrats refusing to make any deal is their attempt to get a bunch of angry voters who don't get money to vote Democrat by blaming Republicans for the problem. Both are sides are playing politics.
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Is that a quip against me or the Coffee Corner in general?
I meant no offense to you BTW and harbor no ill feelings keep in mind.
The political threads in general.
I'm glad to hear it: you weren't the only contributor who took a break around that time.
Jeremy
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Do you think Floyd would have died if he had submitted calmly to the police and followed their instructions?
Do you think that woman would have been raped if she hadn’t gone out in that short skirt?
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In this case, it is neither. There was no fighting because there was no war.
This agreement between Israel and UAE is an effort against the common enemy: Iran.
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And Democrats refusing to make any deal is their attempt to get a bunch of angry voters who don't get money to vote Democrat by blaming Republicans for the problem. Both are sides are playing politics.
So both sides are "playing politics" but it is the Democrat's fault they could not reach a deal? Interesting.
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My impression is that Kamala Harris is a mixture of three racial groups; Indian Asian, Black African, and White Caucasian, with the 'Indian Asian' aspect predominating and the 'White' part coming from an Irish slave owner, Hamilton Brown. Have I got that right?
I don't have any idea. I haven't looked into it except to read your post. When you get it all figured out, please let us know. How far back do you think you'll go? I have no idea how accurate the birtherism records are in Jamaica.
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My impression is that Kamala Harris is a mixture of three racial groups; Indian Asian, Black African, and White Caucasian, with the 'Indian Asian' aspect predominating and the 'White' part coming from an Irish slave owner, Hamilton Brown. Have I got that right?
Isn't this entire subject a bit 18th century? I mean, honestly, discussing racial ancestry in a day and age when we can easily get DNA profiles seems a little previous. Maybe we could insist on DNA profiles of people standing for election. Wouldn't it be hilarious if Trump, Obama, Biden and Hilary all turned out to be cousins? :)
I saw this item this morning, https://thehill.com/homenews/morning-report/511981-the-hills-morning-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/morning-report/511981-the-hills-morning-report). Not that birther stuff again, I thought!
I am surprised that religious fundamentalists haven't raised concerns about the native soil birth requirement for presidential candidates. I would thought by now that some of them would have instead insisted on a native soil conception requirement, since really, it's when the zygote initiates that life begins, no? It's where the parents did the deed that really matters!
Just in case it's not obvious, I find it impossible to take this stuff seriously. But thanks for the laugh.
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Well, Biden has helped run up American debt for 40 years in politics.
This is pretty stupid as the national debt has increased more under trump than under any other President.
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By all means, confuse me with a Pulitzer-prize winning journalist anytime. Welcome back.
Sure thing, although I dont take Pulitzer prizes too seriously. Perhaps when Duranty's is revoked for refusing to report on the Holodomor and fighting to suppress it I'll reconsider.
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Isn't this entire subject a bit 18th century? I mean, honestly, discussing racial ancestry in a day and age when we can easily get DNA profiles seems a little previous.
Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed. ;)
My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry. I'm just questioning how much Black African ancestry does she really have, in percentage terms.
It's purely a matter of general interest for me. I'm not involved in US politics, but I do place value on accurate facts.
I found the following statement in Wikipedia.
"Donald Harris claims to be descended from slaveowner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town, a claim Snopes rated as unproven."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris
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This is pretty stupid as the national debt has increased more under trump than under any other President.
My point was that Trump at least worked in private industry. He understands what's needed for an industrious country. The tax bill he pushed and passed helped us be more effective from a business and jobs standpoint. Biden, having always worked for the government, thinks the government creates wealth. He's never seen a government agency that shouldn't be bigger. Spending and regulation are in his blood. Trump on the other hand hates regulation because it interferes with profits. It slows down success. He's very cheap. What president ever negotiated the price for his own Air Force 1?
But I do agree that Trump has become just like the government officials he always complains about. He's learned how to buy votes just like the best of them.
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I think you are gilding the lily to call the stuff Trump has been into as “industry”.
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Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed. ;)
My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry.
Umm, no - rather that she would appeal to Black American voters as someone whose personal experience as a black woman (even if she is descended from Finnish albinos) shows that she understands their issues.
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I think you are gilding the lily to call the stuff Trump has been into as “industry”.
He's worth $3 billion. Employed thousands of people. How industrious do you want him to be? Think of all the photos you'd have to sell to equal that. :)
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Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed. ;)
My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry. I'm just questioning how much Black African ancestry does she really have, in percentage terms.
It's purely a matter of general interest for me. I'm not involved in US politics, but I do place value on accurate facts.
I found the following statement in Wikipedia.
"Donald Harris claims to be descended from slaveowner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town, a claim Snopes rated as unproven."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris
Biden does not need any help with the Black vote; he's a Democrats. Plus, Black Americans largely rejected Harris in the primary. Now the Biden campaign may have picked her for this, but the primary shows it wont really help him with this demographic.
To be honest, I think this pick does him more harm then good, but when you eliminate 98% of your options purely over Woke politics, this is the choice you are forced to make. But rest assure, she has so many issues with her.
Most obvious, if she is such a great choice, why was she polling at 1% support before she dropped out of the primary? She was a distant 4th in her home state, which is more then likely why she dropped out, to avoid the embarrassment of losing in her state.
Not to mention, there some very reasonable questions any serious reporter will ask, like, "you are now running with Joe Biden, who just a few months ago you publicly called a rapist. Do you still believe he is a rapist, and if not, what has changed your mind?"
"You are now running with Joe Biden, whom you implied several times is a racist through his lack of support of bussing and public praise of former KKK members. Not to mention, since then, he has made some rather disparaging remarks about the black community in general. Do you still feel he is a racist, and if not, why?"
"It is well known that you started your career by having an affair with your boss, Willie Brown, who handed you several politically beneficial appointments. He even campaigned on your behalf. In the era of #MeToo, what kind of message does this send to girls and young women in general?" (No doubt this attack will be portrayed as sexist, but it isn't, it's a legitimate critique that will go a long way with certain type of women.)
There are several other things too, such as she is consistently ranked as one of the most liberal senators in congress, and last year was said to be more so than Bernie and Warren. Although this may appeal to progressives, her top cop stance is not something they appear to be okay with overlooking. Then, those voters whom would be fine with a top cop dont like her progressive policies (such as universal health care, the Green New deal, mandatory gun confiscation (buy backs, but that is what it is), support for abortion up until birth, etc).
With over 50% of Dems believe Biden wont finish his first term, Harris is the one with the target on her back, and it is an easy target. Easier then Trump? Who knows, but she is not anywhere near a great choice.
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Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well. She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks. It was a good pick.
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Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well. She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks. It was a good pick.
I dont think that matters at all.
I forget the exact campaign (I think Harding vs Cox), but shortly after women got the vote, there was large speculation that the handsome candidate would win since, well, he was better looking. He lost, big time. I dont think anyone makes any decisions off of looks.
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Harris, a former prosecutor and current senator, is attractive and personable as well. She's sexy and has a nice smile. She will appeal to white women and men as well as blacks. It was a good pick.
That's all well and good, but I think I'll wait on Ray's two-pronged report on her ancestry and her father's views on current affairs.
Also the results of her debate with Mike Pence. Since it will be conducted without an audience, I guess Mike Pence's wife will need to be there to supervise him so he doesn't lose control and drop trou in front of Harris or whatever he is afraid of doing.
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I dont think that matters at all.
I forget the exact campaign, but shortly after women got the vote, there was large speculation that the very handsome candidate would win since, well, he was so good looking. He lost, big time. I dont think anyone makes any decisions off of looks.
She's a personable and likable person with great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features. Her husband's white. White suburbanites can see her living next door. So she satisfied Biden's promise to blacks for a black VP. Plus he'll pick up the white women vote as well. I'm sure these things went into Biden's decision making. It was a smart pick. Any women here want to add their view about her?
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She's a personable and likable person with great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features.
These are "white features"?
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She's a personable and likable person with great smile that white women can identify with. Frankly, she has a lot of white features. Her husband's white. White suburbanites can see her living next door. So she satisfied Biden's promise to blacks for a black VP. Plus he'll pick up the white women vote as well. I'm sure these things went into Biden's decision making. It was a smart pick. Any women here want to add their view about her?
White people voted for Obama overwhelmingly, twice. I just don't think her race matters at all, nor her looks. Although it hard to think of a recent election that either had a good looking candidate, or one that lost, it is hard to speculate on looks in the current environment. Obama is the only example that comes to mind as good looking, and once again, I doubt he won over his looks.
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These are "white features"?
I was referring to racial and physical features. After all, her mother is Asian Indian and her father doesn't appear 100% black. Her personality and likeability have nothing to do with race. Personally, I think Obama's are better than Trump's.
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I can't even believe what I am reading. Holy smokes.
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I can't even believe what I am reading. Holy smokes.
You can't? You remain essentially an optimist then. Admirable.
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You can't? You remain essentially an optimist then. Admirable.
I'm probably just in denial.
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I can't even believe what I am reading. Holy smokes.
Yes. It's pretty amazing in this day and age that a VP pick would be based on gender and race.
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Fair enough! If you can easily get the DNA profile of Kamala Harris, then do so. Case closed. ;)
My impression is, a major reason she was chosen as VP running mate is because she would appeal to Black American voters because of her Black African ancestry. I'm just questioning how much Black African ancestry does she really have, in percentage terms.
It's purely a matter of general interest for me. I'm not involved in US politics, but I do place value on accurate facts.
I found the following statement in Wikipedia.
"Donald Harris claims to be descended from slaveowner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town, a claim Snopes rated as unproven."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris
You can't let this horse shit go, can you.
Is anyone going to vote for Donald Harris? So the guy believes in some family legend. Any episode of Antiques Roadshow brings out people like that.
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He's worth $3 billion. Employed thousands of people. How industrious do you want him to be? Think of all the photos you'd have to sell to equal that. :)
I thought he was worth $10 billion. What happened?
The guys that mow my lawn are industrious. They can knock out the job in a hurry. Maybe we should elect on of them as president.
I really don't consider photography as an industry. Joe and Craig may feel differently.
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Yes. It's pretty amazing in this day and age that a VP pick would be based on gender and race.
Do you think Trump did not have gender and race in mind when he picked Pence? Could you even imagine Trump picking a black women as VP?
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I thought he was worth $10 billion. What happened?
The guys that mow my lawn are industrious. They can knock out the job in a hurry. Maybe we should elect on of them as president.
I really don't consider photography as an industry. Joe and Craig may feel differently.
Well regardless of what you think, my wife and I make a good living in this ... ummm ... visual arts money making pursuit as a "lens-based worker" (no joke, this is a recent woke term for photographer I recently came across, you should look up the Photo Bill of Rights for a good laugh).
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Well regardless of what you think, my wife and I make a good living in this ... ummm ... visual arts money making pursuit, so much so we are looking at getting a second house.
It certainly can be a profitable business and I congratulate you on your success. Maybe I am being too parochial in my views. When I think of industry, I think of things like steel and mining and railroads, not owning some hotels and golf courses or being a photographer. Probably just showing my age.
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Yes. It's pretty amazing in this day and age that a VP pick would be based on gender and race.
Do you think Trump did not have gender and race in mind when he picked Pence? Could you even imagine Trump picking a black women as VP?
The difference is Biden is openly making it about race and gender. I dont Trump would care actually, but even if he did, he would not publicly announce it.
Although I feel race and gender, and looks, really dont matter to the average person, nor should, if you make your choice based largely on those traits, you are then legitimizing critiques from people who are concerned with those traits. It's a bad strategy, based on Woke politics, which is inherently racist anyway.
Obama, in one of his early interviews, talked about how if he was not chosen, it would not be because he is black, just that he did not have the message people were looking for at the time. Although some did want to make his race an issue, since he would not even hint at openly campaigning on it, those attacks could never get any credence. Also, him being black certainly helped him with some parts of the electorate, but it was organic and not something he was promoting, so it never became an issue with him directly (in 2008).
As has been said, Obama is one of the most talented politicians in history (that does not mean I like his policies all of a sudden). Biden is not.
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It certainly can be a profitable business and I congratulate you on your success. Maybe I am being too parochial in my views. When I think of industry, I think of things like steel and mining and railroads, not owning some hotels and golf courses or being a photographer. Probably just showing my age.
No worries, I was pretty sure that was what you were getting at. I tend to think of industry being more based in reality and physical things too.
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Do you think Trump did not have gender and race in mind when he picked Pence? Could you even imagine Trump picking a black women as VP?
Trump picked Pence because of his strong connection with the Christian right, that he would help cement their vote. And yes. I believe Trump would pick a black woman or a Martian for that matter if it helped him win or make money.
The fact is it's the Democrats that are playing racial and gender politics by insisting the VP be a black woman eliminating many qualified people from the selection process. We wind up with poor candidates and elected officials. The country is hurt when that happens. Do you think Biden is the best the Democrats could have done? It's a sorry situation.
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Yes. It's pretty amazing in this day and age that a VP pick would be based on gender and race.
You do realize that picking a white male as your running mate is a selection based on gender and race. Add religion to the mix and you end up with Mike Pence. His only other qualification is that he is an obsequious toady. Trump couldn't bear to have someone even superficially competent around him, which explains his cabinet picks as well.
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The difference is Biden is openly making it about race and gender. I dont Trump would care actually, but even if he did, he would not publicly announce it.
Although I feel race and gender, and looks, really dont matter to the average person, nor should, if you make your choice based largely on those traits, you are then legitimizing critiques from people who are concerned with those traits. It's a bad strategy, based on Woke politics, which is inherently racist anyway.
Obama, in one of his early interviews, talked about how if he was not chosen, it would not be because he is black, just that he did not have the message people were looking for at the time. Although some did want to make his race an issue, since he would not even hint at openly campaigning on it, those attacks could never get any credence. Also, him being black certainly helped him with some parts of the electorate, but it was organic and not something he was promoting, so it never became an issue with him directly (in 2008).
As has been said, Obama is one of the most talented politicians in history (that does not mean I like his policies all of a sudden). Biden is not.
The worst part of picking a black person because they're black is that it creates an "us against them" attitude and pits one group against the other. It adds to racial conflict rather than lessening it. It doesn't let us get past our past.
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Trump picked Pence because of his strong connection with the Christian right, that he would help cement their vote.
So Trump acknowledging the importance of the Christian Right demo is cool, but Biden doing the same for women/PoC isn't?
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You do realize that picking a white male as your running mate is a selection based on gender and race. Add religion to the mix and you end up with Mike Pence.
Trump didn't eliminate 95% of the American people in his selection process as Biden did. Looking at what Trump did or didn't is just making excuses for Biden's announced selection based on race. Playing racial politics won't end well for the country. Don't we already have enough conflict because of it?
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That's all well and good, but I think I'll wait on Ray's two-pronged report on her ancestry and her father's views on current affairs.
Also the results of her debate with Mike Pence. Since it will be conducted without an audience, I guess Mike Pence's wife will need to be there to supervise him so he doesn't lose control and drop trou in front of Harris or whatever he is afraid of doing.
;D. I laughed :)
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;D. I laughed :)
Just trying to keep it light so no one goes postal on us.
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Alan, you appear to be a student of politics. Perhaps you could explain to our international audience the concept of "balancing the ticket".
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Alan, you appear to be a student of politics. Perhaps you could explain to our international audience the concept of "balancing the ticket".
Balancing the ticket is a false premise and one that is not often followed nor advised. Chris Cillizza had a good write up on this 4 days ago.
Everything you've heard about picking a vice president is wrong (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/10/politics/joe-biden-vp-pick-kamala-harris/index.html)
"Number one, is this a person who could be president literally tomorrow? Secondly, is this a person that I could work with, that I would want to work with day in and day out, in good times and hard times, inside the White House to serve our country? And third, can this person help me win? And with Tim Kaine, I answered all three of those questions affirmatively." HRC
You largely should pick someone you are comfortable with. Obama and Biden got along really well, as does Trump and Pence. This is why their campaigns worked so well.
Biden and Harris do not get along, and as much as Biden says otherwise, I think it will be issue, just like with McCain and Palin, who also did not get along. The sad thing is, Biden and Klobuchar got along really well, but Biden screwed himself by being short sighted in a moment of weakness where he thought he needed to prove his woke bona fides.
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Alan, you appear to be a student of politics. Perhaps you could explain to our international audience the concept of "balancing the ticket".
Declaring you favor one race over the other in a selection process will perpetuate conflict between the races. A president is supposed to be president of all the people. By declaring to the world as Biden did that he'll favor one group if he gets elected, it forces other groups to band together to defend their interests. It creates the very race fights you're trying to avoid and put behind us. This does not add to harmony in the country. Unfortunately, that the way the whole Democrat party operates when it comes to race. That's a lot different than balancing the ticket by picking for VP a "favorite son", let's say a governor of a state you wish to carry in the election.
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Declaring you favor one race over the other in a selection process will perpetuate conflict between the races. A president is supposed to be president of all the people. By declaring to the world as Biden did that he'll favor one group if he gets elected, it forces other groups to band together to defend their interests.
Irony is dead, desiccated, burned, buried, and shot into the sun on a G**D**n rocket.
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Declaring you favor one race over the other in a selection process will perpetuate conflict between the races. A president is supposed to be president of all the people. By declaring to the world as Biden did that he'll favor one group if he gets elected, it forces other groups to band together to defend their interests. It creates the very race fights you're trying to avoid and put behind us. This does not add to harmony in the country. Unfortunately, that the way the whole Democrat party operates when it comes to race. That's a lot different than balancing the ticket by picking for VP a "favorite son", let's say a governor of a state you wish to carry in the election.
Here is the definition from Wikipedia, the fountain of all knowledge:
"In United States politics, balancing the ticket is when a political candidate chooses a running mate, usually of the same party, with the goal of bringing more widespread appeal to the campaign. It is most prominently used to describe the selection of the U.S. Vice Presidential candidate."
You seem to approve of "favorite sons" as VP picks. What about favorite daughters? How about favorite black sons and favorite black daughters?
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Irony is dead, desiccated, burned, buried, and shot into the sun on a G**D**n rocket.
I have to agree with Alan on this one James. As much as you may choose not to see it, Biden openly picking someone largely based on race and sex, and campaigning on that, legitimizes racism and sexism, or at the very least encourages conversations based solely on race and sex. If you are supporting a candidate who makes this an issue, dont be surprised when you are confronted with it from the opposite side of the isle.
It is a horrible standard that has been set that unwittingly gives ammunition to some of the least respectable people in society.
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I have to agree with Alan on this one James. As much as you may choose not to see it, Biden openly picking someone largely based on race and sex, and campaigning on that, legitimizes racism and sexism, or at the very least encourages conversations based solely on race and sex. If you are supporting a candidate who makes this an issue, dont be surprised when you are confronted with it from the opposite side of the isle.
It is a horrible standard that has been set that unwittingly gives ammunition to some of the least respectable people in society. As I said before, Obama knew better, and Biden is no Obama.
The funny thing is you never hear that charge leveled when a white male is selected. It's only when a minority or a female is selected. Then it's racism and sexism. I guess if you don't say the quiet part out loud, it's not a problem. Winks and nods and silent understandings are presumably okay too.
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Irony is dead, desiccated, burned, buried, and shot into the sun on a G**D**n rocket.
James, you need to get out, get some sun, suck down a few adult beverages and relax. :) :) :)
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James, you need to get out, get some sun, suck down a few adult beverages and relax. :) :) :)
A fair point ;)
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The funny thing is you never hear that charge leveled when a white male is selected. I guess if you don't say the quiet part out loud, it's not a problem. Winks and nods and silent understandings are presumably okay too.
This is a false premise Frank. It's not the selection that is the issue, but the criteria which is used to make that selection.
If someone said I am going to make sure my VP is a white male, you most certainly would hear backlash. As a matter of fact, Richard Spencer makes it his life's mission to insist white non-jewish men should run things, and he gets near universal backlash. So your assertion is clearly wrong.
However, if someone made no public comment about what race or gender his/her VP should be, there would not be any racal/gender backlash regardless if that person was a white man or black woman.
Let me clearly state, I really don't think it should matter what race or gender the pick is. I am just merely pointing out making that a criteria of selection gives those that do a lot of ammo to work with. Of course we can, and should push back on those people, for making race an issue, but they can very easily turn the argument around by saying Biden was the one who made it an issue in the first place.
If this ends up fomenting to the surface, it will be a bad position for the country to be in and solely be the fault of the Dems for creating it.
Here's another way of thinking about it, if race is clearly an issue, then why were all of the minority candidates the first to drop out of the primaries? I mean if race is so important, what does that say about Democrat voters? ;)
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However, if someone made no public comment about what race or gender his/her VP should be, there would not be any racal/gender backlash regardless if that person was a white man or black woman.
We do not live in the same universe.
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We do not live in the same universe.
Yes, you are off in space somewhere, while I am down on Earth.
I am merely taking this philosophy to its logical conclusion, which they always progress towards anyway. You are just choosing to ignore that logical conclusion.
It's the same thing with racial diversity training that is all of the rage nowadays. Study after study has shown it is not effective and just makes racial problems worse in a company. Logically this makes sense. If you teach that white people are the source of all problems for minorities, while ignoring uplifting messages to give to minorities, all it does is teach people to think less of white people while not altering their opinions on minorities. Of course it makes things worse; the idea it wouldn't is fantasy. Similar thing here.
You're also making the mistake of looking at this from your point of view, not the White Nationalist's point of view. Although I despise that point of view, if I look at this issue from it, this is great ammo to have.
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Here's another way of thinking about it, if race is clearly an issue, then why were all of the minority candidates the first to drop out of the primaries? I mean if race is so important, what does that say about Democrat voters? ;)
The Democrat voters probably felt that the best chance to beat Trump was with Biden, and that the minority candidates would get shellacked. Are you suggesting they should select a loser out of principal?
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The Democrat voters probably felt that the best chance to beat Trump was with Biden, and that the minority candidates would get shellacked. Are you suggesting they should select a loser out of principal?
The Dems are the ones that keep on insisting that we need to help minorities by putting more of them in positions of power, and if you do not agree, you're a racist. Then, the Dems were given a wide selection of minority candidate to choose from, and they went with a rich old white guy. Good job everyone!
That's either being hypocritical and the Dems are truly racist at heart, or them showing the world that race, in fact, does not matter. I believe it is the latter.
Furthermore, Klobuchar was clearly the best choice. Biden has always been a weak candidate and I still don't think he will pull it off. Even without the pandemic, I was certain Klobuchar would have.
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The funny thing is you never hear that charge leveled when a white male is selected. It's only when a minority or a female is selected. Then it's racism and sexism. I guess if you don't say the quiet part out loud, it's not a problem. Winks and nods and silent understandings are presumably okay too.
Joe responded to your post very well. I'll just add that no one votes for a president because he picked a white male for his VP. No one thinks a president is going to favor white males as a group.
It's different when it comes to racial identity and selection especially when it's specifically stated as the reason a person is being selected. Because of our history, it perpetuates racial group identity and separation which is something we have to get past if we wish to avoid conflict over it.
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Joe responded to your post very well. I'll just add that no one votes for a president because he picked a white male for his VP. No one thinks a president is going to favor white males as a group.
It's different when it comes to racial identity and selection especially when it's specifically stated as the reason a person is being selected. Because of our history, it perpetuates racial group identity and separation which is something we have to get past if we wish to avoid conflict over it.
I am sure you are genuine in your beliefs.
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The Dems are the ones that keep on insisting that we need to help minorities by putting more of them in positions of power, and if you do not agree, you're a racist. Then, the Dems were given a wide selection of minority candidate to choose from, and they went with a rich old white guy. Good job everyone!
That's either being hypocritical and the Dems are truly racist at heart, or them showing the world that race, in fact, does not matter. I believe it is the latter.
That sure seems to put the Democrats in a no-win situation. Pick a white male running mate and you are a hypocrite; pick a black female running mate and you are a racist and sexist.
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Frank, you really need to look into the anti-racist theory and White Fragility training being taught by the left in your party. All of it states that we should first judge people based on their racial identity, and that we are all subject to inherent qualities of our race and gender. It reads like a polished version of David Duke's philosophy geared towards white woke liberals.
Here is a great critique of this theory by a black professor in The Atlantic. Fact is, this is being sold wholesale on the left currently.
The Dehumanizing Condescension of White Fragility (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlemc27Cb6wIVMv3jBx0HiwYfEAAYASAAEgL2xfD_BwE)
This is the logical conclusion of what you are pushing. You are obviously not there, yet, but it is the direction this is all pushing towards and the philosophy that coerced Biden. Your party is infected with illiberalism; liberal thought leaders know it, which is why that Harper's letter was penned.
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That sure seems to put the Democrats in a no-win situation. Pick a white male running mate and you are a hypocrite; pick a black female running mate and you are a racist and sexist.
Once again, you are contorting what I am saying, whether or not intentional.
I never said the selection was the issue, only the racial and gender criteria used for that selection was, which gives obvious ammo to White Nationalists, like Richard Spenser. Do you really want to empower people like him?
You should at least try to keep up with the conversation.
Not to mention this is a problem the Dems created, by insisting on using identity politics. If you guys actually campaigned on policy, you need not worry about looking like hypocrites. You put yourself in this corner.
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Frank, you really need to look into the anti-racist theory and White Fragility training being taught by the left in your party.
I am not sure why you think I am a Democrat. Is it because I think Trump is an idiot? A lot of Republicans use to believe that. I am sure many still do.
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I am not sure why you think I am a Democrat. Is it because I think Trump is an idiot? A lot of Republicans use to believe that. I am sure many still do.
Nice deflection.
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Could race and gender be two among many criteria used to select Harris?
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Could race and gender be two among many criteria used to select Harris?
Biden made race and gender the primary determinant in his selection process. So by ignoring many potential candidates who may have been better VP choices, the public now has to decide if Harris can take over as President if Biden doesn't finish his term. Had he selected someone with stronger credentials, he would have allayed concerns that the public legitimately have about his health and age.
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Could race and gender be two among many criteria used to select Harris?
Sure, if you're fine with legitimizing racism and sexism. I'm not, but if you want to, knock yourself out.
Let's say Richard Spenser needed to fill a position and his mandatory criteria was master degree needed, 5+ years of experience, licensed in area of expertise, knowledge of computer programming, white (non-jew). Would you be okay with this? After all, race is only part of the criteria listed. It's just a tiny little part too, at the end after all, no big deal, right?
You cant logically argue that it is okay to use one race to base your selection off of without allowing White Nationalists to do the same (with whatever positions they seek to fill). So if want to create that position for them, have at it. I would rather not.
I would say a better option would be to pick the most qualified person (the same argument you used for the Dems' selection of Biden). Take for instance Obama, he was clearly the most qualified Democrat in 2008, and not because he black. That was merely a superficial quality. For the time, the message he had worked and he was a master technician when it came to running a campaign.
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Biden made race and gender the primary determinant in his selection process. So by ignoring many potential candidates who may have been better VP choices, the public now has to decide if Harris can take over as President if Biden doesn't finish his term. Had he selected someone with stronger credentials, he would have allayed concerns that the public legitimately have about his health and age.
Who did you have in mind as someone with stronger credentials? Was Pence the strongest Republican candidate for VP in 2016? Seemed to me that he was Trump's Dan Quayle with the added bonus that he was an evangelical. Obviously no one bought Trump's religious fervor, so that part of the electorate needed some shoring up. I don't remember the Democrats saying that Trump cheated the public by selecting him. Maybe they did.
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Has anyone been following the "Great Reset" initiative?
I heard about it the other day and started looking at it. From my cheap seats this is not a good thing. I can't image Trump buying into this but Sleepy Joe and his sidekick...no problem.
Introducing the Great Reset:
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/504499-introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to
Great Reset website:
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
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Has anyone been following the "Great Reset" initiative?
I don't think this is something that Biden or Harris would buy into. Is Prince Charles volunteering to abdicate and abolish the monarchy. Seems like the Queen and Prince William might have some skin in the game.
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Who did you have in mind as someone with stronger credentials? Was Pence the strongest Republican candidate for VP in 2016? Seemed to me that he was Trump's Dan Quayle with the added bonus that he was an evangelical. Obviously no one bought Trump's religious fervor, and so that part of the electorate needed some shoring up. I don't remember the Democrats saying that Trump cheated the public by selecting him. Maybe they did.
The concern here is Biden's age and health especially his mental acuity. That wasn't a concern with Trump in 2016. So voters will be looking at Harris' ability to become president.
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I don't think this is something that Biden or Harris would buy into. Is Prince Charles volunteering to abdicate and abolish the monarchy. Seems like the Queen and Prince William might have some skin in the game.
You're onto something. Socialism didn't work out too well for the Czar and his family.
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Sure, if you're fine with legitimizing racism and sexism. I'm not, but if you want to, knock yourself out.
Well, I disagree with your premise that having race and gender among your criteria for a running mate is either racist or sexist so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point.
Let's say Richard Spenser needed to fill a position and his mandatory criteria was master degree needed, 5+ years of experience, licensed in area of expertise, knowledge of computer programming, white (non-jew). Would you be okay with this? After all, race is only part of the criteria listed. It's just a tiny little part too, at the end after all, no big deal, right?
I don't know who Richard Spenser is or what he does, so you are on your own there. I guess I am just uninformed.
You cant logically argue that it is okay to use one race to base your selection off of without allowing White Nationalists to do the same (with whatever positions they seek to fill). So if want to create that position for them, have at it. I would rather not.
I would fully expect a white nationalist to pick a white nationalist as his (or her) running mate. If the VP pick were a female white nationalist I wouldn't say he is being sexist. It is axiomatic that a white nationalist would not pick a minority as his (or her) VP, so we really don't need to go there.
I would say a better option would be to pick the most qualified person (the same argument you used for the Dems' selection of Biden).
I don't think I made that argument. I said I thought the Democrats selected Biden because from among the contenders, he had the best chance to beat Trump.
Take for instance Obama, he was clearly the most qualified Democrat in 2008, and not because he black. That was merely a superficial quality. For the time, the message he had worked and he was a master technician when it came to running a campaign.
I thought McCain was a good candidate for the Republicans until he picked Palin as his running mate. Anyone who would choose that nitwit exhibited terrible judgment. The campaign was all over after that, except for the stories about Palin spending a million dollars in campaign funds to make herself look presentable. I can't remember if she bought herself a new snowmobile too.
I don't think we have a history of picking the most qualified person for VP in our elections. Biden was a good pick. I don't remember who the other candidates were.
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The concern here is Biden's age and health especially his mental acuity. That wasn't a concern with Trump in 2016. So voters will be looking at Harris' ability to become president.
Trump's mental acuity was certainly a concern for me. I thought he was an idiot then and nothing he has done since has shaken that belief.
His health? Well, the fact that he is a big fat guy who doesn't exercise because he thinks his battery will run down doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. That and all those pictures of him eating loads of McDonalds and KFC stuff while flying around in his airplane weren't a real positive. The letter from his doctor and his subsequent checkup with Ronnie Jackson were cartoon parodies. The less said about his performance at West Point the better. Frankly, I am surprised he hasn't had a heart attack or a stroke, or both. Luckily, Pence can read out of a notebook pretty well. Would his wife really sit in monitoring him if he had a meeting with a female head of state in the oval office? On the other hand, given what has taken place in the oval office in other administrations, maybe it is a good idea.
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I don't think this is something that Biden or Harris would buy into. Is Prince Charles volunteering to abdicate and abolish the monarchy. Seems like the Queen and Prince William might have some skin in the game.
I don’t know. It’s the AOC/Sanders agenda and Biden is “moldable”
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I don’t know. It’s the AOC/Sanders agenda and Biden is “moldable”
There's an absolute astonishing level of convoluted bigotry here. It sort of makes me embarrassed to visit Lula.
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Now the Orange Oaf is floating the idea that Kamala Harris is not qualified to be VP because her PARENTS were immigrants. Birtherism in a new suit. Did you ever hear anything so stupid? Oh right, it's Trump so you have. But, nevertheless:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289
I challenge any of the Trump supporters here to support this. say it's OK. You can support this guy?
And related to birtherism, remember long ago when Trump said that if Obama release his birth certificate he would release his taxes? Well, we have the certificate but are still waiting for the tax returns. Gee, I wonder why?
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Now the Orange Oaf is floating the idea that Kamala Harris is not qualified to be VP because her PARENTS were immigrants. Birtherism in a new suit. Did you ever hear anything so stupid? Oh right, it's Trump so you have. But, nevertheless:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289
I challenge any of the Trump supporters here to support this. say it's OK. You can support this guy?
And related to birtherism, remember long ago when Trump said that if Obama release his birth certificate he would release his taxes? Well, we have the certificate but are still waiting for the tax returns. Gee, I wonder why?
My my my, yes Jeremy, things haven't changed. Peter is still pushing fringe conspiracy theories.
Trump merely said he heard of it (like right before thee presser) and that he would think the Democrats would have looked into it. Yes, he did mention the credentials of the lawyer who published the article. However, that is nor the same as pushing it. Remember, he did not bring it up, but was asked about it. Big difference.
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There's an absolute astonishing level of convoluted bigotry here. It sort of makes me embarrassed to visit Lula.
Wait, how did you read that post from me? Bigotry? Roflmao! Now political dissent is Bigotry! Amazing.
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Now the Orange Oaf is floating the idea that Kamala Harris is not qualified to be VP because her PARENTS were immigrants. Birtherism in a new suit. Did you ever hear anything so stupid? Oh right, it's Trump so you have. But, nevertheless:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53774289
I challenge any of the Trump supporters here to support this. say it's OK. You can support this guy?
And related to birtherism, remember long ago when Trump said that if Obama release his birth certificate he would release his taxes? Well, we have the certificate but are still waiting for the tax returns. Gee, I wonder why?
The Supreme Court on Natural Born Citizens.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
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The Supreme Court on Natural Born Citizens.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
Ooh. Let’s get textual. ;).
In the context of eligibility for office, there are a couple of serious problems with her set-up, if one is trying to draw the conclusion that one must be born of two citizens (as the term is used today) on native soil to carry citizenship.
One, by the definition she is ascribing to de Vattel’s useage (lent authority by the claim that the founders were considering his work - an assertion that, while true, isn’t as relevant as she claims, but that’s irrelevant here) “citizen” is merely defined as one who is a participant in the society, subject to the authority of, and contributes to, the public body. A “natural born citizen” is one who is born to such a person. That’s it.
Second, and flowing from that, if de Vattel’s standard for citizenship requires anything more than jurisdiction and participation, it immediately eliminates any of the founders in question from citizenship, which is, of course, absurd.
In a more general sense, I have no problem deriving original intent from European enlightenment thinking - its very, very simple to draw a straight line between the ideals my country was founded on and those ideas, just as it’s proper and reasonable to find the basis of our law in English common law. What you CAN’T do is make a strictly textual argument and then proceed to embellish the text in an effort to create a *more restrictive* definition.
BUT.... the 14th Amendment renders the whole issue moot in exceedingly plain language anyway, and even in the post-14th USSC discussion she cites, nothing limits the definition to children of citizens, it merely reinforces that that specific circumstance is clearly established.
Edit: good Lord, there are some looney tunes that are posting in her comments section.
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Wait, how did you read that post from me? Bigotry? Roflmao! Now political dissent is Bigotry! Amazing.
I have to agree here - I didn’t see anything bigoted in your response. There’s been some shaky stuff posted by others earlier though. Maybe the wrong post got quoted?
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My my my, yes Jeremy, things haven't changed. Peter is still pushing fringe conspiracy theories.
Trump merely said he heard of it (like right before thee presser) and that he would think the Democrats would have looked into it. Yes, he did mention the credentials of the lawyer who published the article. However, that is nor the same as pushing it. Remember, he did not bring it up, but was asked about it. Big difference.
He also said he “didn’t know” if Harris was eligible and that it was a “very serious” issue. She is, it’s not, and as usual his glaring ignorance for the basic foundational rules of our society are reprehensible. Come on - I knew this junk in 6th grade.
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Ooh. Let’s get textual. ;).
In the context of eligibility for office, there are a couple of serious problems with her set-up, if one is trying to draw the conclusion that one must be born of two citizens (as the term is used today) on native soil to carry citizenship.
One, by the definition she is ascribing to de Vattel’s useage (lent authority by the claim that the founders were considering his work - an assertion that, while true, isn’t as relevant as she claims, but that’s irrelevant here) “citizen” is merely defined as one who is a participant in the society, subject to the authority of, and contributes to, the public body. A “natural born citizen” is one who is born to such a person. That’s it.
Second, and flowing from that, if de Vattel’s standard for citizenship requires anything more than jurisdiction and participation, it immediately eliminates any of the founders in question from citizenship, which is, of course, absurd.
In a more general sense, I have no problem deriving original intent from European enlightenment thinking - its very, very simple to draw a straight line between the ideals my country was founded on and those ideas, just as it’s proper and reasonable to find the basis of our law in English common law. What you CAN’T do is make a strictly textual argument and then proceed to embellish the text in an effort to create a *more restrictive* definition.
BUT.... the 14th Amendment renders the whole issue moot in exceedingly plain language anyway, and even in the post-14th USSC discussion she cites, nothing limits the definition to children of citizens, it merely reinforces that that specific circumstance is clearly established.
If that’s the case James, where can we find a decision by the Supreme Court that defines Natural Born? The 14th, clearly does not deal with it. It leaves that question wide open. Clearly Harris is a citizen by birth, based on the place she was born. That is not in question. The requirements of the Constitution for the office of the President (and Vice President by extension) are quite specific. It does not state “citizen” but rather Natural Born Citizen. That’s a rather big distinction. Nowhere in any later amendment was that requirement changed to “citizen”. While the SC cases listed in that article were not related to Presidential elections, they do define the term Natural Born.
Somewhere, sometime the issue needs to be resolved. It’s now simply a he said she said kind of argument and it won’t go away until it’s litigated and ultimately decided by SCOTUS. People can argue this to death, and I suspect they will.
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I thought McCain was a good candidate for the Republicans until he picked Palin as his running mate. Anyone who would choose that nitwit exhibited terrible judgment. The campaign was all over after that, except for the stories about Palin spending a million dollars in campaign funds to make herself look presentable. I can't remember if she bought herself a new snowmobile too.
I don't think we have a history of picking the most qualified person for VP in our elections. Biden was a good pick. I don't remember who the other candidates were.
Well, I have to agree with you on McCain, and Palin.
Biden though? This just came out today ...
“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to f--k things up,” Obama, 2020.
Yep, sounds like the best choice to me.
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He also said he “didn’t know” if Harris was eligible and that it was a “very serious” issue. She is, it’s not, and as usual his glaring ignorance for the basic foundational rules of our society are reprehensible. Come on - I knew this junk in 6th grade.
I think we've known this for ... what ... 5 years now. How are you still surprised by this? I'm surely not. It's like waking up in the morning and being amazed the sun had risen that day, as if you were not sure it would the night before.
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Somewhere, sometime the issue needs to be resolved. It’s now simply a he said she said kind of argument and it won’t go away until it’s litigated and ultimately decided by SCOTUS. People can argue this to death, and I suspect they will.
I am sure that if the Trump campaign or other interested parties believe this is a serious issue, they will bring a lawsuit so that it can be properly adjudicated, and not content themselves with arguing about it in the media and on the internet.
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If that’s the case James, where can we find a decision by the Supreme Court that defines Natural Born? The 14th, clearly does not deal with it. It leaves that question wide open. Clearly Harris is a citizen by birth, based on the place she was born. That is not in question. The requirements of the Constitution for the office of the President (and Vice President by extension) are quite specific. It does not state “citizen” but rather Natural Born Citizen. That’s a rather big distinction. Nowhere in any later amendment was that requirement changed to “citizen”. While the SC cases listed in that article were not related to Presidential elections, they do define the term Natural Born.
Somewhere, sometime the issue needs to be resolved. It’s now simply a he said she said kind of argument and it won’t go away until it’s litigated and ultimately decided by SCOTUS. People can argue this to death, and I suspect they will.
You see this distinction in the requirements to be a Congressperson where the eligibility is granted upon being a citizen for x years. In neither case is parentage referred to.
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I think we've known this for ... what ... 5 years now. How are you still surprised by this? I'm surely not. It's like waking up in the morning and being amazed the sun had risen that day, as if you were not sure it would the night before.
Not surprised. Just continually disappointed, because I think this is kind of important for someone tasked with the stewardship of that legacy to understand.
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I am sure that if the Trump campaign or other interested parties believe this is a serious issue, they will bring a lawsuit so that it can be properly adjudicated, and not content themselves with arguing about it in the media and on the internet.
There is no plausible legal theory that could serve as the basis of a litigable claim that Kamala Harris is ineligible to serve as president or vice president.
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Not surprised. Just continually disappointed, because I think this is kind of important for someone tasked with the stewardship of that legacy to understand.
Well, yes, I think that "continually disappointed" would work for me as well.
I have no aspirations that his rhetoric is even acceptable, just that Biden's policies are totally destructive to the economy. We are staring a depression in the face and Biden is talking about $4T in new taxes and increase regulations. It did not work in 2009 and wont work in 2021.
Pretty easy decision to make.
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You see this distinction in the requirements to be a Congressperson where the eligibility is granted upon being a citizen for x years. In neither case is parentage referred to.
She is not running for Congress, but rather for VP. The requirements are different.
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There is no plausible legal theory that could serve as the basis of a litigable claim that Kamala Harris is ineligible to serve as president or vice president.
Plausible is in the eye of the beholder, until the SCOTUS rules.
Of course I think the issue would more likely to be standing in respect to bringing a case to the court.
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She is not running for Congress, but rather for VP. The requirements are different.
Right. That’s my point. That’s why the terminology is different. Naturalized citizen = “citizen” natural born = citizen by birth.
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Plausible is in the eye of the beholder, until the SCOTUS rules.
Of course I think the issue would more likely to be standing in respect to bringing a case to the court.
It wouldn’t get past whatever federal judge had the misfortune to have to adjudicate it first. (Well, maybe Naomi Reo would buy it, but she’s a hack.)
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Well, yes, I think that "continually disappointed" would work for me as well.
I have no aspirations that his rhetoric is even acceptable, just that Biden's policies are totally destructive to the economy. We are staring a depression in the face and Biden is talking about $4T in new taxes and increase regulations. It did not work in 2009 and wont work in 2021.
Pretty easy decision to make.
Dunno.. 2010-18 were pretty awesome for me.
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Dunno.. 2010-18 were pretty awesome for me.
Well good for you, how far up the elite ladder are you? You know all available evidence shows the Obama recovery was one of the worse in history, so once again, ths choice is easy. Rinse and repeat or do the smart thing, like not raise taxes or regulations.
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Plausible is in the eye of the beholder, until the SCOTUS rules.
Plausibility is sometimes determined by whether the eye of the holder is willing to incur the time and expense of litigating it. A lot of things are plausible until you start writing checks.
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The Supreme Court on Natural Born Citizens.
https://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
Hard to believe that the same old Birther Conspiracy crap using Vattel is still being peddled. Good luck with that.
I didn't know that the birther conspiracy kook website The Post and Email still existed. Maybe the owner can team up with "Queen of the Birthers" Orly Taitz, the attorney (and dentist) who argued the Vattel citizenship notion in federal and state courts and election boards all over the country making a fool of herself.
"The current owner/editor is Sharon Rondeau, who states she is a natural born American Citizen who began researching the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama during the 2008 election cycle."
“Since its founding, The Post & Email has been on the forefront of the Obama identity/eligibility issue.”
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-post-email/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-post-email/)
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You're onto something. Socialism didn't work out too well for the Czar and his family.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that feudalism didn't work out for them?
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Well good for you, how far up the elite ladder are you?
Well, I have gold toilets, and slap my name on buildings all over New York, and my Kiton suits are so expensive that I don’t even tailor the cuffs. But I do love me some McDonald’s, so I’m a man of the people and I really understand their pain.
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Well, I have gold toilets, and slap my name on buildings all over New York, and my Kiton suits are so expensive that I don’t even tailor the cuffs. But I do love me some McDonald’s, so I’m a man of the people and I really understand their pain.
You will never know the pain of sh!##ing on a ice cold gold toilet. It's so bad I hear you need to hire a toilet seat warmer to get it ready for you. That's a job created right there! ;)
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It wouldn’t get past whatever federal judge had the misfortune to have to adjudicate it first. (Well, maybe Naomi Reo would buy it, but she’s a hack.)
Are you sure? We won’t really know until it happens .
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Right. That’s my point. That’s why the terminology is different. Naturalized citizen = “citizen” natural born = citizen by birth.
Or Natural Born as a requirement for the office of President, means born on American soil of two permanent legal residents.
But of course the question is still unsettled. And that’s why we are having this conversation.
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You will never know the pain of sh!##ing on a ice cold gold toilet. It's so bad I hear you need to hire a toilet seat warmer to get it ready for you. That's a job created right there! ;)
:) All kidding aside, a heated toilet seat is a pretty awesome luxury.
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Well good for you, how far up the elite ladder are you? You know all available evidence shows the Obama recovery was one of the worse in history, so once again, ths choice is easy. Rinse and repeat or do the smart thing, like not raise taxes or regulations.
Given how low we were in 2008, i don’t think anyone could have screwed up the growth, even as slow as it was.
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I kind of got lost in all the above about court cases and I don't know what else. Harris was born in the USA, right? That's my understanding from the few things I've read. That makes her American, doesn't it? So she can run for office, right. Isn't that all there is to it?
Trump or his spokespeople can just make up the dumbest shit and some people will go along with it. Is that's what going on here? Is that where America is now?
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Hard to believe that the same old Birther Conspiracy crap using Vattel is still being peddled. Good luck with that.
I didn't know that the birther conspiracy kook website The Post and Email still existed. Maybe the owner can team up with "Queen of the Birthers" Orly Taitz, the attorney (and dentist) who argued the Vattel citizenship notion in federal and state courts and election boards all over the country making a fool of herself.
"The current owner/editor is Sharon Rondeau, who states she is a natural born American Citizen who began researching the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama during the 2008 election cycle."
“Since its founding, The Post & Email has been on the forefront of the Obama identity/eligibility issue.”
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-post-email/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-post-email/)
The questions still exist and have yet to be resolved in a court of law in the recent past. Maybe this time it will, or not.
But it’s good to know that in TechTalk land, questioning an undecided issue is “kook”.
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:) All kidding aside, a heated toilet seat is a pretty awesome luxury.
The elite really do have it great! ;D
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Or Natural Born as a requirement for the office of President, means born on American soil of two permanent legal residents.
Even the cited de Vattel stuff doesn’t say that. As I said at the start, “citizen” is, in the strictly textual sense, actually arguably *looser* than what I’m arguing, being defined by “subject to jurisdiction.” I believe the Newsweek author in question actually realizes this, because he argues the definition of “subject to jurisdiction.” That some desperation, my friend ;)
Seriously, this is a non-serious issue and Kern is exactly right - it’s beneath reasonable consideration.
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I kind of got lost in all the above about court cases and I don't know what else. Harris was born in the USA, right? That's my understanding from the few things I've read. That makes her American, doesn't it? So she can run for office, right. Isn't that all there is to it?
Trump or his spokespeople can just make up the dumbest shit and some people will go along with it. Is that's what going on here? Is that where America is now?
The question is HOW American is she. 😎
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I kind of got lost in all the above about court cases and I don't know what else. Harris was born in the USA, right? That's my understanding from the few things I've read. That makes her American, doesn't it? So she can run for office, right. Isn't that all there is to it?
Trump or his spokespeople can just make up the dumbest shit and some people will go along with it. Is that's what going on here? Is that where America is now?
Pretty much this covers it, yeah.
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The question is HOW American is she. 😎
As American as Nikki Haley :)
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But of course the question is still unsettled. And that’s why we are having this conversation.
I have forgotten. Why wasn’t this issue settled during the 2008 and 2012 elections? Those seem like they would have been good times to address it.
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I kind of got lost in all the above about court cases and I don't know what else. Harris was born in the USA, right? That's my understanding from the few things I've read. That makes her American, doesn't it? So she can run for office, right. Isn't that all there is to it?
Trump or his spokespeople can just make up the dumbest shit and some people will go along with it. Is that's what going on here? Is that where America is now?
Your first statement is correct. Your second is not really accurate.
Essentially a crazy right wing lawyer wrote an article questioning her ability to be VP since neither of her parents where not born in the USA and there are a discrepancies about whether they were citizens at the time of her birth. So, is she really a natural born citizen? The constitution never actually defines this, but if Ted Cruz is one, Harris should be one too. And every lawyer agrees she is with the exception of a hand full. Trump was then asked about this article the day it was published and he had only seen it in passing, which was obvious. He gave the appropriate answer, namely he just found out about it, was not sure (since he only was read so much on it) and would assume the Dems would have checked it out (which would be expected). Him praising the lawyer certainly did not help him, but it was reasonable response that did not confirm the allegation.
If next week he pushes this again or is indecisive, I'll agree he is being a tool bag. But at this point, I think it is just the media trying to make story out of nothing.
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The elite really do have it great! ;D
It’s a whole different world from the white porcelain junk the common man sits on every day, my friend.
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Even the cited de Vattel stuff doesn’t say that. As I said at the start, “citizen” is, in the strictly textual sense, actually arguably *looser* than what I’m arguing, being defined by “subject to jurisdiction.” I believe the Newsweek author in question actually realizes this, because he argues the definition of “subject to jurisdiction.” That some desperation, my friend ;)
Seriously, this is a non-serious issue and Kern is exactly right - it’s beneath reasonable consideration.
It may be non-serious in the eyes of some and serious in the eyes of others. It’s really not for journalists or law professors to decide, any more that we can. Only the courts or an amendment to the Constitution to define or correct it.
Personally I could care less. Harris has enough baggage that this is just a distraction. But it is less than three months to the election , it’s American Politics and everything is pretty much fair game.
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Your first statement is correct. Your second is not really accurate.
Essentially a crazy right wing lawyer wrote an article questioning her ability to be VP since neither of her parents where born in the USA and there are a discrepancies about whether they were citizens at the time of her birth. So, is she really a natural born citizen? The constitution never actually defines this, but if Ted Cruz is one, Harris should be one too. And every lawyer agrees she is with the exception of a hand full. Trump was then asked about this article the day it was published and he had only seen it in passing, which was obvious. He gave the appropriate answer, namely he just found out about it, was not sure (since he only was read so much on it) and would assume the Dems would have checked it out (which would be expected). Him praising the lawyer certainly did not help him, but it was reasonable response that did not confirm the allegation.
If next week he pushes this again or is indecisive, I'll agree he is being a tool bag. But at this point, I think it is just the media trying to make story out of nothing.
Check out Trump vs Ted in 2016. Trump (the son of at least one, maybe two foreign citizens) argues that “it’s different because I (Trump) was born here”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/)
As in most things, Trump was being a tool bag. There is precious little doubt he will continue to be. It’s his way.
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I have forgotten. Why wasn’t this issue settled during the 2008 and 2012 elections? Those seem like they would have been good times to address it.
It appears it is not.
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It appears it is not.
I am not sure I understand your response. Could you clarify why this issue with respect to the 2008 and 2012 elections of Obama was not adjudicated.
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Ooh. Let’s get textual. ;).
In the context of eligibility for office, there are a couple of serious problems with her set-up, if one is trying to draw the conclusion that one must be born of two citizens (as the term is used today) on native soil to carry citizenship.
One, by the definition she is ascribing to de Vattel’s useage (lent authority by the claim that the founders were considering his work - an assertion that, while true, isn’t as relevant as she claims, but that’s irrelevant here) “citizen” is merely defined as one who is a participant in the society, subject to the authority of, and contributes to, the public body. A “natural born citizen” is one who is born to such a person. That’s it.
Second, and flowing from that, if de Vattel’s standard for citizenship requires anything more than jurisdiction and participation, it immediately eliminates any of the founders in question from citizenship, which is, of course, absurd.
In a more general sense, I have no problem deriving original intent from European enlightenment thinking - its very, very simple to draw a straight line between the ideals my country was founded on and those ideas, just as it’s proper and reasonable to find the basis of our law in English common law. What you CAN’T do is make a strictly textual argument and then proceed to embellish the text in an effort to create a *more restrictive* definition.
BUT.... the 14th Amendment renders the whole issue moot in exceedingly plain language anyway, and even in the post-14th USSC discussion she cites, nothing limits the definition to children of citizens, it merely reinforces that that specific circumstance is clearly established.
Edit: good Lord, there are some looney tunes that are posting in her comments section.
I'm not sure what you were getting at regarding the bolded portion above. But just to clarify a point to everyone, you don't have to be a "natural born citizen" if you were a citizen prior to the adoption of the constitution which occured in Sept 18, 1787. That would give foreigners born in England let's say, the right to be president as long as they were citizens prior to this date and met the other qualifications. Article II of the Constitution says:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Qualifications_for_office
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Check out Trump vs Ted in 2016. Trump (the son of at least one, maybe two foreign citizens) argues that “it’s different because I (Trump) was born here”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/)
As in most things, Trump was being a tool bag. There is precious little doubt he will continue to be. It’s his way.
The material I’ve read says Fred Trump, was was born in the USA and Mary became a naturalized citizen in 1942, before Donal was born.
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I am not sure I understand your response. Could you clarify why this issue with respect to the 2008 and 2012 elections of Obama was not adjudicated.
It was never clarified in a court of law, just ignored. But his case is different that Harris. At least his mother was an American. 😎
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Check out Trump vs Ted in 2016. Trump (the son of at least one, maybe two foreign citizens) argues that “it’s different because I (Trump) was born here”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/14/donald-trump-ted-cruz-citizenship/78824512/)
As in most things, Trump was being a tool bag. There is precious little doubt he will continue to be. It’s his way.
Well, he's just like a poker buddy of mine that always plays pocket 2s, you just cant understand why someone would play an obvious bad hand.
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It was never clarified in a court of law, just ignored. But his case is different that Harris. At least his mother was an American.
Gosh, if it were an important issue you would have thought someone would have sought to have it clarified by the courts.
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Gosh, if it were an important issue you would have thought someone would have sought to have it clarified by the courts.
I don’t remember exactly But I seem to recall someone tried but they were dismissed due to lack of standing. Don’t quote me on this.
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Gosh, I really think I am in the Twilight Zone right now.
On one hand, every liberal is trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill, where Trump was asked about an article he could have only seen in passing (since he was asked about it the day it came out, which the reporter knew) that was an obviously ploy to make him look bad. Really, you libs have truly developed chronic TDS and need to seek medical attention like right now.
On the other hand, all the conservatives are defending the concept that she could not be a natural born citizen as if this is even going to make it to court. It's not, and it will be totally foolish and detrimental if Trump tries to push this any further.
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I kind of got lost in all the above about court cases and I don't know what else. Harris was born in the USA, right? That's my understanding from the few things I've read. That makes her American, doesn't it? So she can run for office, right. Isn't that all there is to it?
Trump or his spokespeople can just make up the dumbest shit and some people will go along with it. Is that's what going on here? Is that where America is now?
Republican Sen. John McCain who ran for president against Obama also ran into the birther question. He was born in the Panama Canal zone. So the issue of Natural born citizen came up then and on previous occasions as well. Here's an article written in 2016 by the Washington Post, not exactly a republican or Trump leaning paper.
There was a very real ‘birther’ debate about John McCain
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
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The material I’ve read says Fred Trump, was was born in the USA and Mary became a naturalized citizen in 1942, before Donal was born.
I know. Trump himself keeps saying his Dad was German. It’s weird.
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I don’t remember exactly But I seem to recall someone tried but they were dismissed due to lack of standing. Don’t quote me on this.
Okay. It just doesn’t seem believable that if there were a good case to be made that, for example, Hillary wouldn’t have made it in 2008. It is not like her to think she just let it slide.
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Okay. It just doesn’t seem believable that if there were a good case to be made that, for example, Hillary wouldn’t have made it in 2008. It is not like her to think she just let it slide.
It’s been said the whole Obama birther thing was started by a Clinton operative. Settled or not it’s just more political theater designed to keep an opponent on the defensive. Played by both sides.
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Okay. It just doesn’t seem believable that if there were a good case to be made that, for example, Hillary wouldn’t have made it in 2008. It is not like her to think she just let it slide.
Everyone on the Democrat side thought Trump would lose. Why challenge it?
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Republican Sen. John McCain who ran for president against Obama also ran into the birther question. He was born in the Panama Canal zone. So the issue of Natural born citizen came up then and on previous occasions as well. Here's an article written in 2016 by the Washington Post, not exactly a republican or Trump leaning paper.
There was a very real ‘birther’ debate about John McCain
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/there-was-a-very-real-birther-debate-about-john-mccain/
Sort of the opposite issue though, asking if “natural born” requires you to be born on American soil. Equally goofy IMHO, but a wholly different question without serious opposition.
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It’s been said the whole Obama birther thing was started by a Clinton operative. Settled or not it’s just more political theater designed to keep an opponent on the defensive. Played by both sides.
Probably the same Hillary operative that started the Trump dossier. Maybe Hillary is doing it again with Harris hoping Biden will change his mind and select her for VP.
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Probably the same Hillary operative that started the Trump dossier. Maybe Hillary is doing it again with Harris hoping Biden will change his mind and select her for VP.
She just today said she would look forward to the opportunity to work with the Biden administration.
God help us all.
Biden needs to hire a taste tester today.
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Okay. It just doesn’t seem believable that if there were a good case to be made that, for example, Hillary wouldn’t have made it in 2008. It is not like her to think she just let it slide.
I have a feeling that if this hits a Republican candidate for Prez, there will be a whole raft of lawsuits making it on the way to the SCOTUS /s 😎
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Everyone on the Democrat side thought Trump would lose. Why challenge it?
I was talking about the 2008 democratic primary between Hillary and Obama. I know it is late but the date 2008 in my post which you quoted is the clue. If there were a good case to be made, I can’t believe she would have foregone addressing it. Tell me, if there were a good case to be made with respect to Obama, do you think the Republicans would have just let it slide in both 2008 and 2012? Does that sound plausible to you?
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Sort of the opposite issue though, asking if “natural born” requires you to be born on American soil. Equally goofy IMHO, but a wholly different question.
It's not a different question. All these cases go back to the definition of natural born citizen.
Just to clarify why this became a requirement in the constitution. Representatives and senators just have to be citizens, either by birth or gaining citizenship like Congresswoman Omar. But the founders were very concerned that the chief magistrate, executive of the government, and commander-in-chief of the army had allegiance only to the United States. So the President and Vice President since he could become president had the requirements tightened up. So they added the phrase "natural born citizen" to the requirements.
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I was talking about the 2008 democratic primary between Hillary and Obama. I know it is late but the date 2008 in my post which you quoted is the clue. If there were a good case to be made, I can’t believe she would have foregone addressing it. Tell me, if there were a good case to be made with respect to Obama, do you think the Republicans would have just let it slide in both 2008 and 2012? Does that sound plausible to you?
Hillary claims she had nothing to do with it, that an operative went rouge, iirc.
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Hillary claims she had nothing to do with it, that an operative went rouge, iirc.
Must have been her mother-in-law, the one with the recipes.
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Earlier in this thread, I said,
"There's an absolute astonishing level of convoluted bigotry here. It sort of makes me embarrassed to visit Lula."
That ran under a comment quoted from Craig Lamson. My comment didn't refer to what Mr. Lamson said in that quote box -- in fact, I don't know how that quote box even got there, as I blocked Mr. Lamson's comments some weeks ago, and don't even see them anymore. In any case, I would apologize to Mr. Lamson. My comment didn't have anything to do with what he said in that quote box.
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Hillary claims she had nothing to do with it, that an operative went rouge, iirc.
I invite you to re-read my post. Perhaps you could respond to it.
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Must have been her mother-in-law, the one with the recipes.
Hillary can also cook?
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Hillary claims she had nothing to do with it, that an operative went rouge, iirc.
Damn. Shoulda stuck to the blanc.
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I was referring to racial and physical features. .
So what are her “racial features” that are “white” ?
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Right. That’s my point. That’s why the terminology is different. Naturalized citizen = “citizen” natural born = citizen by birth.
That's true. Both a naturalized citizen and a citizen by birth are citizens that share all of the same rights except for one; only a citizen by birth is eligible for the offices of President and by extension Vice-President. The Citizenship Clause in the 14th Amendment contains the only language in the Constitution defining the means by which citizenship is established and there are only two. There is no third type of super citizenship that grants an exclusive right to become President due to having citizen parents or parent.
It wouldn’t get past whatever federal judge had the misfortune to have to adjudicate it first. (Well, maybe Naomi Reo would buy it, but she’s a hack.)
That's true as well. A great many lawsuits went thru federal and state courts before and during Obama's terms as President challenging his qualification for office including the claim that because his father was not a citizen Obama didn't qualify as a natural born citizen (the Vattel or jus sanguinis argument). Many failed due to standing issues. The cases where standing was granted had testimony, witnesses, documents, multiple hearings, and to put it mildly were pretty bizarre. They all fell flat as well and went nowhere.
One consistent issue brought up by both the government attorneys and judges was that the qualifications for political candidates for any federal office are non-justiciable, meaning that courts can not decide the issue. Courts do not decide political questions, meaning issues that belong to and are decided in the political branches of government, the legislature and executive branches. The qualification of federal political office holders is decided by Congress as laid out in the Constitution in Articles I and II, the amendments that deal with Presidential election and succession, and the federal law that governs the certification process in Congress of the electoral votes.
The only real likelihood of a case making into court and a decision being rendered would be for a state to deny a Presidential candidate a place on the ballot as being unqualified for office. That denial could be challenged in a court as a legal question as a violation of Constitutional rights. Except for that occurring, Presidential qualification for office is decided at three levels by different groups. First, voters can choose not to vote for the electors pledged to a candidate they consider to be unqualified. Second, the electors that actually vote for the Presidential candidates can also choose not to vote for a candidate they consider to be unqualified. Finally, when the electors votes are counted in the joint session of Congress, objections can be made to one or more electoral votes with the objections to be decided by Congress as required under federal law.
And you're also right about it being a misfortune for any judge that got one those cases. Every judge was miserable that had to listen to the crazy conspiracy nonsense and bizarre legal arguments that were presented.
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My point was that Trump at least worked in private industry.
He worked in real estate which does not qualify as an industry. His record was spotty with numerous bankruptcies that required a bailout from his father. The fact that he was able to structure things as multiple LLCs also provide financial insulation that a manufacturing or retail company would not enjoy.
He understands what's needed for an industrious country. The tax bill he pushed and passed helped us be more effective from a business and jobs standpoint.
It did nothing to rid the tax code of numerous preferences that favor certain business activities over others. He preserved the carried interest loophole that he had vowed to eliminate during the 2016 election. The US has turned into a nation that relies on financial services rather than manuracturing.
Biden, having always worked for the government, thinks the government creates wealth. He's never seen a government agency that shouldn't be bigger. Spending and regulation are in his blood.
I would enjoy seeing evidence for this. Many US presidents did not have business experience. Some were in the military, some were landowners, some were lawyers, some were lifelong politicians. Some were good, bad and indifferent. There is no common background theme that can be pointed to in this assessment.
Trump on the other hand hates regulation because it interferes with profits. It slows down success. He's very cheap. What president ever negotiated the price for his own Air Force 1?
Inappropriate regulation is always bad. Unfortunately, the Trump Administration seems not to be able to discern what is good vs. bad. Look at the decision to rescind the methane emission regulation which clearly was beneficial.
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Hillary can also cook?
Apparently, her mother-in-law was teaching her to be a chef.
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I invite you to re-read my post. Perhaps you could respond to it.
What did I miss? That if Republicians had a good case they would have tried to use it? They did, but they did not have a good case. I thought we discussed that somewhere.
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What did I miss? That if Republicians had a good case they would have tried to use it? They did, but they did not have a good case. I thought we discussed that somewhere.
If you acknowledge that they didn't have a good case, why are you linking to the kooky internet lady's so called analysis of the citizenship issue? If you are going with something kooky, at least go with a kooky lawyer, to wit: the recent op-ed in Newsweek which started the argument anew. Please note that when it was originally published, it did not have the two paragraph introductory non-apology, acknowledging the opinion piece was a load of bullshit.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483
Since then, Newsweek has seen the light, and in order to save their reputation from going further into the toilet than it has been recently under its new management, and to prevent all of its employees from resigning in protest, they got a real lawyer to explain things.
https://www.newsweek.com/born-us-kamala-harris-eligible-become-vice-president-opinion-1525031
The fact is that no serious person believes the birther "argument" and the reason we haven't heard SCOTUS address it directly is that the kooks who brought cases in the lower courts got their asses handed to them on a platter, even they saw that it was a complete waste of time and money to file an appeal from which decision they could take an appeal to SCOTUS, which they would certainly lose, and realized that there were still plenty of idiots on the internet they could convince a load of bullshit was true, and it wouldn't cost them a dime. Why they derive some sense of satisfaction or accomplishment from convincing a bunch of idiots that a load of bullshit is true is anybody's guess. Actually it's not. Everyone one knows the reason, but we don't discuss it out loud.
By the way, if you think slavery has been abolished, just read the Supreme Court decision in Dred Scott. If you are still confused, I am sure the kooky internet lady can explain it to you.
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Apparently, her mother-in-law was teaching her to be a chef.
Well, it seems we're never going to learn what was in those recipes.
Appeals court nixes Hillary Clinton deposition on emails
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/14/hillary-clinton-emails-deposition-overturned-395361
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If you acknowledge that they didn't have a good case, why are you linking to the kooky internet lady's so called analysis of the citizenship issue? If you are going with something kooky, at least go with a kooky lawyer, to wit the op-ed in Newsweek which restarted the argument. Please note that when it was originally published, it did not have the two paragraph introductory non-apology, acknowledging the opinion piece was a load of bullshit.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions-kamala-harris-about-eligibility-opinion-1524483
Since then, Newsweek has seen the light, and in order to save their reputation from going further into the toilet than it has been recently under its new management, and to prevent all of its employees from resigning in protest, they got a real lawyer to explain things.
https://www.newsweek.com/born-us-kamala-harris-eligible-become-vice-president-opinion-1525031
The fact is that no serious person believes the birther "argument" and the reason we haven't heard SCOTUS address it directly is that the kooks who brought cases in the lower courts got their asses handed to them on a platter, even they saw that it was a complete waste of time and money to file an appeal from which decision they could take an appeal to SCOTUS, which they would certainly lose, and realized that there were still plenty of idiots on the internet they could convince a load of bullshit was true, and it wouldn't cost them a dime. Why they derive some sense of satisfaction or accomplishment from convincing a bunch of idiots that a load of bullshit is true is anybody's guess. Actually it's not. Everyone one knows the reason, but we don't discuss it out loud.
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If you look back you will see I don't really care about the issue. I posted a link to start the conversation. It offered a counterpoint to the arguement that there is no case. Now we can argue the claims are bull and that there is no case but the Obama case is different than the Harris case in that at least Obama had a mother that was a citizen. Harris, not so much. And my other point stands. Until this is litigated and gets to the Supreme Court...and they rule...it will continue to be an issue. The fact that it has not been to this point in no way makes the claims go away or makes them junk, just because some journalist or professor says its so. Lots of reason a case gets tossed and yet somewhere, sometime some judge will let it proceed, and we will get a ruling.
Lets put your shoe back on your foot. So if this is such a loser and a kook theory why not litigate it and see where it goes. Surely it can be defeated soundly and the issue can be put to rest. Perhaps we just have cowardly judges who just don't want to stick their necks out. Who knows. The issue will be back again, bet on it. Its bipartisan.
Now on to Newsweak.
I just gotta love that they frame this argument over the meaning of the consitiution and the 14 amemdment as racist and xenophobic. Of course they do. What a crock, especially since this argument was used against Ted Cruz and John McCain. Newsweek is simply a tool in the ongoing racist bullsnit being pushed in this country to try and discredit those who have a diffferent opinion and maybe more importantily a different political party. They like so many others are afraid of thoughts and speech that goes against their beliefs.
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So if this is such a loser and a kook theory why not litigate it and see where it goes. Surely it can be defeated soundly and the issue can be put to rest.
For the same reason no one has done so before; it would be a colossal waste of time and money. You?
Newsweek is simply a tool in the ongoing racist bullsnit being pushed in this country to try and discredit those who have a diffferent opinion and maybe more importantily a different political party.
I think Newsweek is owned by a couple of right wingers, which might explain why they ran the op-ed in the first place. I'll have a cup of coffee and see whether I feel like chasing down the details.
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For the same reason no one has done so before; it would be a colossal waste of time and money. You?
Its a waste put to rest a question like this? So much better to just let it fester I guess. Or perhaps some might be afraid to open that can of worms? I'm going for the can of works. Time and money are easy to overcome.
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Its a waste put to rest a question like this? So much better to just let it fester I guess.
The question is not at rest with only a small subset of the public. I think it not improbable that even if the Supreme Court ruled on it, such subset would think it was wrongly decided and it would continue to fester with them.
Time and money are easy to overcome.
Apparently that's not the case with this issue.
My grandmother thought the moon landing was fake. I didn't try to convince her otherwise. Maybe she was right.
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For the same reason no one has done so before; it would be a colossal waste of time and money. You?
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You mean like the whole Russian accusation against Trump that cost $30 million for Mueller and side tracked the entire country on a political witch hunt for over two years? By the way, an anti-Trump FBI lawyer just pleaded guilty for lying that helped kick off the whole charade. There are loads of others involved but they'll all go away if Biden gets elected.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/fbi-russia-clinesmith/index.html
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You mean like the whole Russian accusation against Trump that cost $30 million for Mueller and side tracked the entire country on a political witch hunt for over two years? By the way, an anti-Trump FBI lawyer just pleaded guilty for lying that helped kick off the whole charade. There are loads of others involved but they'll all go away if Biden gets elected.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/fbi-russia-clinesmith/index.html
Someone thought it was worth the time and money. As I recall, it was Rod Rosenstein, Trump’s Deputy AG, who appointed Mueller and gave him the green light to investigate the issue.
The truth is Trump got exactly what he wanted: something he could bitch and moan about all day, every day, for years, and keep his base riled up. Here, look at me, I am the greatest victim in the history of the world. Nobody has ever been a victim as great as me.
I know you care. Who else cares? Is this even an issue for 2020? Haven't heard much about it lately. Every once in a while Barr will hint at an October surprise. I'm not sure how many people are sitting on the edge of their chairs waiting for new developments. I suspect most people are hoping they won't get sick and wondering how they can pay the rent, not whether the Steele dossier was mentioned in a footnote of a FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page. Carter who? Oh, yeah, that guy didn't seem to be the brightest light in the harbor, did he?
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Someone thought it was worth the time and money. As I recall, it was Rod Rosenstein, Trump’s Deputy AG, who appointed Mueller and gave him the green light to investigate the issue.
Rosenstein was a leftover from Obama's administration. In any case, if the FBI, CIA, Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, etc didn't cahoot and lie about the whole thing, Rosenstein would not have set up any investigation. It was all a setup now quickly being "forgotten" because the left-wing anti-Trump media was in on it.
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Rosenstein was a leftover from Obama's administration. In any case, if the FBI, CIA, Obama administration, Hillary Clinton, etc didn't cahoot and lie about the whole thing, Rosenstein would not have set up any investigation. It was all a setup now quickly being "forgotten" because the left-wing anti-Trump media was in on it.
Well, there is always Fox News to keep the issue alive. They seem to lead pretty consistently in the ratings. Rush Limbaugh has a really big audience of devoted followers. Mega dittos and all that. Then there is Breitbart and Infowars. I am sure there are other conservative voices in the media. I just don't keep up with them much. The "left-wing anti-Trump media" has moved on, so you guys have the field to yourselves. Frankly, I don't know what you are complaining about. Take advantage of the vacuum. Hammer the message home relentlessly. Unless of course Trump's base is sick and tired of hearing about it, and has moved on to groceries and masks. I think there are probably all lot of people who are burned out about everything, and can't summon the energy to feel aggrieved. And they can't figure out how they are really better off with Trump in the oval office.
Speaking of worn out, have you seen Trump in these daily press briefings lately reading out of a notebook in a monotone. It looks like they have him on tranquilizers. His doctors probably thought he was so angry about everything all the time that he might spontaneously combust.
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Well, there is always Fox News to keep the issue alive. They seem to pretty consistently lead in the ratings. Rush Limbaugh has a really big audience of devoted followers. Mega dittos and all that. Then there is Breitbart and Infowars. I am sure there are other conservative voices in the media. I just don't keep up with them much. The "left-wing anti-Trump media" has moved on, so you guys have the field to yourselves. Frankly, I don't know what you are complaining about. Take advantage of the vacuum. Unless of course Trump's base is sick and tired of hearing about it, and has moved on to groceries and masks.
What goes around comes around.
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What goes around comes around.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Do you mean that Fox et al are going to crucify Biden and Harris. Maybe, but who is going to bother to turn on the TV to listen to it. If it will make you feel better that you are getting revenge, you are welcome to it. I guess we all take pleasure where we can find it.
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I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Do you mean that Fox et al are going to crucify Biden and Harris. Maybe, but who is going to bother to turn on the TV to listen to it. If it will make you feel better that you are getting revenge, you are welcome to it.
The Democrats, FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration used the security services and courts of the US government to go after a political opponents like we are a third world country. One day they'll get a taste of their own medicine.
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The Democrats, FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration used the security services and courts of the US government to go after a political opponents like we are a third world country. One day they'll get a taste of their own medicine.
Is that a good thing? Sort of sounds like the attitude of someone in kindergarten. One alternative is that if mistakes were made, we could learn from them, and not repeat them in the future. That's probably asking too much.
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The Democrats, FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration used the security services and courts of the US government to go after a political opponents like we are a third world country. One day they'll get a taste of their own medicine.
US intelligence agencies investigated Russia treating the US like a third world country by attacking and interfering in a US Presidential election. One day, Russia may have to answer for that, but not under a Trump administration.
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The Democrats, FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration used the security services and courts of the US government to go after a political opponents like we are a third world country. One day they'll get a taste of their own medicine.
Utter and abysmal nonsense. Alan, where do you people come up with this folderol? Fox? Breitbart? 4-Chan? Washington Times? It's like debating tectonic theory with a flat earther.
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Rosenstein was a leftover from Obama's administration.
Rod Rosenstein was appointed and confirmed as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on July 12, 2005 by George W Bush. He served in that position until April 26, 2017.
Trump appointed him to be United States Deputy Attorney General and he took that position on the same day he resigned as a US Attorney.
So how is he a holdover (or leftover) from the Obama administration?
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It was all a setup now quickly being "forgotten" because the left-wing anti-Trump media was in on it.
It was all a setup by Putin and Russian intelligence to interfere in a US Presidential election and create division and suspicion among the citizens and electorate in the US; now quickly being "forgotten" because Trump and his administration are doing their best to ignore that fact and divert attention from it and right-wing media are in on it.
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US intelligence agencies investigated Russia treating the US like a third world country by attacking and interfering in a US Presidential election. One day, Russia may have to answer for that, but not under a Trump administration.
So do you believe we as a country, have never interfered in the election of another country?
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Speaking of worn out, have you seen Trump in these daily press briefings lately reading out of a notebook in a monotone. It looks like they have him on tranquilizers. His doctors probably thought he was so angry about everything all the time that he might spontaneously combust.
His brother is quite sick and I would not doubt that is wearing on Trump.
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It was all a setup by Putin and Russian intelligence to interfere in a US Presidential election and create division and suspicion among the citizens and electorate in the US; now quickly being "forgotten" because Trump and his administration are doing their best to ignore that fact and divert attention from it and right-wing media are in on it.
Ah, TeckTalk is a CT...
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Ah, TeckTalk is a CT...
CT? I googled it and found that is the abbreviation for Connecticut and computerized tomography. I'm not doing too well with my googling today I guess.
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So do you believe we as a country, have never interfered in the election of another country?
Oh, that and much worse. Is that where you would like to divert the discussion to now?
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His brother is quite sick and I would not doubt that is wearing on Trump.
Perhaps.
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Oh, that and much worse. Is that where you would like to divert the discussion to now?
So why are you so upset Russia knows how to use Facebook?
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So why are you so upset Russia knows how to use Facebook?
It is like in Star Trek when Captain Kirk orders “shields up.” It seems at the time like a better course of action than letting the Klingons continue to pummel your ship with their phasers, irrespective of who has done what to whom in the past.
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It is like in Star Trek when Captain Kirk orders “shields up.” It seems at the time like a better course of action than letting the Klingons continue to pummel your ship with their phasers, irrespective of who has done what to whom in the past.
We have far more important stuff to worry about than the Russians. People are looting and pillaging our cities. No one seems to give a damn. Unless the Russian are behind that too.
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We have far more important stuff to worry about than the Russians. People are looting and pillaging our cities. No one seems to give a damn. Unless the Russian are behind that too.
I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
I don't know. It sounds like the Barbarian Hordes are crashing thru the gate!!
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I don't know. It sounds like the Barbarian Hordes are crashing thru the gate!!
You mean the wall is coming down? Tear down the wall...tear down the wall...where is Pink Floyd?
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Rod Rosenstein was appointed and confirmed as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on July 12, 2005 by George W Bush. He served in that position until April 26, 2017.
Trump appointed him to be United States Deputy Attorney General and he took that position on the same day he resigned as a US Attorney.
So how is he a holdover (or leftover) from the Obama administration?
Alan wings it sometimes. You have to double check his work.
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I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Yea I guess you are right. The hell with law and order. Loot away.
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Yea I guess you are right. The hell with law and order. Loot away.
It is hard to believe you could construe my post in that way.
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It is hard to believe you could construe my post in that way.
No, it isn't.
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... It's like debating tectonic theory with a flat earther.
I like that. May I use it?
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Yea I guess you are right. The hell with law and order. Loot away.
Maybe you're right! Ignore the Russians, postpone the election, and hide my sister!
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It is hard to believe you could construe my post in that way.
Why don’t you elaborate then.
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Is this still about the US elections ? get on topic...
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Rod Rosenstein was appointed and confirmed as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on July 12, 2005 by George W Bush. He served in that position until April 26, 2017.
Trump appointed him to be United States Deputy Attorney General and he took that position on the same day he resigned as a US Attorney.
So how is he a holdover (or leftover) from the Obama administration?
While it's true that Bush originally hired him as a fed attorney, he was the only one left that Obama didn't fire. And there were and are many republican insiders like him who frankly never liked Trump and tried to destroy him. Rosenstein wanted to secretly record conversations of the president in the oval office to see if they could come up with something to remove Trump from office. He was the one who appointed Mueller to go after Trump. If he was a friend of Trump, who needs enemies.
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It was all a setup by Putin and Russian intelligence to interfere in a US Presidential election and create division and suspicion among the citizens and electorate in the US; now quickly being "forgotten" because Trump and his administration are doing their best to ignore that fact and divert attention from it and right-wing media are in on it.
No one's denying what the Russians did. But you're trying to distract us from the real issue. The Obama Administration, Hillary Clinton (Steele and her dossier), FBI, and CIA, used the secret and powerful tools of government to illegally go after a candidate and subsequently tried to get rid of a sitting president of the United States. FBI and other officials conspired and broke he law in the process. That's not tiddlywinks.
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Why don’t you elaborate then.
When I said I think "we can walk and chew gum at the same time" I meant "we can do two things at once", and, in the context of your comment, "we can address both Russian hacking and looting at the same time." I disagree with your premise that the looting is the bigger fish. If you don't believe the looting is being handled properly, ask Alan to explain federalism to you, you know, when it is all over we can sit down and compare notes and decide which of several approaches is best. From what I gather about the argument, that is at least a year out. My own view is that if that is federalism, perhaps there is a better way. I would take a more competence oriented approach.
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No one's denying what the Russians did.
Trump is.
But you're trying to distract us from the real issue. The Obama Administration, Hillary Clinton (Steele and her dossier), FBI, and CIA, used the secret and powerful tools of government to illegally go after a candidate and subsequently tried to get rid of a sitting president of the United States. FBI and other officials conspired and broke he law in the process. That's not tiddlywinks.
Alan, quick, there is someone peering in at you from your front window. Boo!
By the way, when is Bill Barr going to round up all the co-conspirators in Pizzagate and QAnon. You would have thought those would have been a top priority. As far as I can tell, he has't done diddly squat.
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When I said I think "we can walk and chew gum at the same time" I meant "we can do two things at once", and, in the context of your comment, "we can address both Russian hacking and looting at the same time." I disagree with your premise that the looting is the bigger fish. If you don't believe the looting is being handled properly, ask Alan to explain federalism to you, you know, when it is all over we can sit down and compare notes and decide which of several approaches is best. From what I gather about the argument, that is at least a year out. My own view is that if that is federalism, perhaps there is a better way. I would take a more competence oriented approach.
So when are we going to start deailing with the law and order issues if you think we can walk and chew gum at the same time? Even when we try to deal wiht it on a Federal level (where we can) that too is denyed and reviled. So no, it does not appear we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia, yet another smoke screen, in my opinion.
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So when are we going to start deailing with the law and order issues if you think we can walk and chew gum at the same time? Even when we try to deal wiht it on a Federal level (where we can) that too is denyed and reviled. So no, it does not appear we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Russia, yet another smoke screen, in my opinion.
I think you'll have to ask Trump about that. If he thought he was doing the right thing by sending federal officers to Portland, for example, he shouldn't have pulled them out even in the face of criticism. I think he saw it was a PR disaster, and cut bait. If you think Russian hacking is a smoke screen, you should be happy that Trump isn't doing anything about it.
About the denying and reviling, from what I hear around here, that's coming from the radical left wing. Surely Trump is not bowing to pressure from the radical left wing.
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No one's denying what the Russians did. But you're trying to distract us from the real issue. The Obama Administration, Hillary Clinton (Steele and her dossier), FBI, and CIA, used the secret and powerful tools of government to illegally go after a candidate and subsequently tried to get rid of a sitting president of the United States. FBI and other officials conspired and broke he law in the process. That's not tiddlywinks.
Everyone knows Russia is trying to help Trump, Trump campaign officials are already known to work on other matters for Russia, and it’s wrong of the FBI to check to see if the Trump campaign is playing along? Have I got that right?
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Everyone knows Russia is trying to help Trump, Trump campaign officials are already known to work on other matters for Russia, and it’s wrong of the FBI to check to see if the Trump campaign is playing along? Have I got that right?
What the Russians did was a figleaf justification for illegal activities and an attempted soft coup. The FBI illegally conspired to phony up evidence to deceive the FISA court to get subpoenas to spy on the Trump campaign and stir up trouble for him. The Obama administration not only knew about this but was up to their eyeballs in monitoring it. They certainly approved the surveillance. The country was saddled with over two years of political intrigue that damaged a president's ability to deal with America's affairs and hurt foreign policy considerations in dealing with a major power. It damaged the reputations and respect for the FBI, CIA, and DOJ. We'll never know the entire truth of what happened especially if Biden wins in November. He'll bury all the facts as Hillary was suppose to do when she was expected to win in 2016.
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What the Russians did was a figleaf justification for illegal activities and an attempted soft coup. The FBI illegally conspired to phony up evidence to deceive the FISA court to get subpoenas to spy on the Trump campaign and stir up trouble for him. The Obama administration not only knew about this but was up to their eyeballs in monitoring it. They certainly approved the surveillance. The country was saddled with over two years of political intrigue that damaged a president's ability to deal with America's affairs and hurt foreign policy considerations in dealing with a major power. It damaged the reputations and respect for the FBI, CIA, and DOJ. We'll never know the entire truth of what happened especially if Biden wins in November. He'll bury all the facts as Hillary was suppose to do when she was expected to win in 2016.
You really have to move out of New Jersey so your vote for Trump will count. I mean if it is that important and all. Otherwise, you are pretty much limited to trying to convince a couple of guys on the internet that your viewpoint is the correct one.
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You really have to move out of New Jersey so your vote for Trump will count. I mean if it is that important and all. Otherwise, you are pretty much limited to trying to convince a couple of guys on the internet that your viewpoint is the correct one.
No one ever changes their mind here. It's like arguing to a Canon user to switch to Nikon. 😀
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I think you'll have to ask Trump about that. If he thought he was doing the right thing by sending federal officers to Portland, for example, he shouldn't have pulled them out even in the face of criticism. I think he saw it was a PR disaster, and cut bait. If you think Russian hacking is a smoke screen, you should be happy that Trump isn't doing anything about it.
About the denying and reviling, from what I hear around here, that's coming from the radical left wing. Surely Trump is not bowing to pressure from the radical left wing.
Of course its Trumps fault, why did I even ask? Sheesh.
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The heck with the Russians, maybe we should be more concerned with the FBI....
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/512152-democrats-continue-to-denounce-investigation-of-the-investigators
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Of course its Trumps fault, why did I even ask? Sheesh.
Well it’s got to be someone’s fault if it is not being handled appropriately. Trump claims he is “the law and order President”, so if you think there is a law and order problem, you might as well ask him about it first, and work your way down. It may be a local problem that the local police chiefs are out of their depth. Or you could skip all that and blame left wing radicals or Democrats in general.
I don’t know what the best method is for controlling protesters within the law. I am certainly no expert. What the federal government did in Portland didn’t look like it was working out that well, so maybe try something else. The method used to clear out Lafayette Park was effective, but looked a little over the top, but was still better than Trump releasing the “vicious dogs” from the White House. Vicious dogs isn’t really a good look. The National Guard and local police handled things pretty well at Stone Mountain yesterday. At least nobody got killed, which was a minor miracle given the number of protesters toting their AR15s. At a protest in Louisville a couple of weeks ago, a protester accidentally shot three of his buddies. At least it didn’t spur a fire fight.
What are your ideas?
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Well it’s got to be someone’s fault if it is not being handled appropriately. Trump claims he is “the law and order President”, so if you think there is a law and order problem, you might as well ask him about it first, and if you are satisfied with his answer, work your way down. It may be a local problem that the local police chiefs are out of their depth. Or you could skip all that and blame left wing radicals or Democrats in general.
I don’t know what the best method is for controlling protesters within the law. I am certainly no expert. What the federal government did in Portland didn’t look like it was working out that well, so maybe try something else. The method used to clear out Lafayette Park was effective, but looked a little over the top, but was still better than Trump releasing the “vicious dogs” from the White House. Vicious dogs isn’t really a good look. The National Guard and local police handled things pretty well at Stone Mountain yesterday. At least nobody got killed, which was a minor miracle given the number of protesters toting their AR15s.
What are your ideas?
Things will calm down after the election.
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Well it’s got to be someone’s fault if it is not being handled appropriately. Trump claims he is “the law and order President”, so if you think there is a law and order problem, you might as well ask him about it first, and work your way down. It may be a local problem that the local police chiefs are out of their depth. Or you could skip all that and blame left wing radicals or Democrats in general.
I don’t know what the best method is for controlling protesters within the law is. I am certainly no expert. What the federal government did in Portland didn’t look like it was working out that well, so maybe try something else. The method used to clear out Lafayette Park was effective, but looked a little over the top, but was still better than Trump releasing the “vicious dogs” from the White House. Vicious dogs isn’t really a good look. The National Guard and local police handled things pretty well at Stone Mountain yesterday. At least nobody got killed, which was a minor miracle given the number of protesters toting their AR15s. At a protest in Louisville a couple of weeks ago, a protester accidentally shot three of his buddies. At least it didn’t spur a fire fight.
What are your ideas?
Well the best the feds could do in Portland was try and protect federal property. They were quite restrained given wha they faced. And they left because the left was going nuts. I suspect they will be back unless now that the State police have said screw it.
My ideas, elect people in local goverment that are not nutjobs and then hold people accountable. 80 days of riots in Portland...really? Let the feds help. But thats not going to happen anytime soon in the left wing states and cities.
So instead we watch the country burn....
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Who's going to open a business in Portland? If it is not careful, and allows lawlessness, it'll wind up like Detroit. People want to live where it's safe.
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Who's going to open a business in Portland? If it is not careful, and allows lawlessness, it'll wind up like Detroit. People want to live where it's safe.
Absolutely. You don’t want to open a business where the customers are liable to be lifted off the streets by little green men in unmarked cars.
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Absolutely. You don’t want to open a business where the customers are liable to be lifted off the streets by little green men in unmarked cars.
All people want to live where it's safe. All lives matter.
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My ideas, elect people in local goverment that are not nutjobs and then hold people accountable.
You might want to take a look at your local ballot. If it is anything like mine, you'll conclude there is no truth in the saying "cream rises to the top." You'll drive yourself to distraction if you can't tolerate a little incompetence in your life. Just practice rolling your eyes to get in shape.
So instead we watch the country burn....
When I read that, I could hear Reagan in my head saying: "There you go again." :)
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All lives matter.
The official slogan of white privilege.
When I go to the doctor with a broken leg, he doesn’t say “don’t fuss about your leg, all bones matter”.
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The official slogan of white privilege.
When I go to the doctor with a broken leg, he doesn’t say “don’t fuss about your leg, all bones matter”.
What a racist comment.
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The official slogan of white privilege.
When I go to the doctor with a broken leg, he doesn’t say “don’t fuss about your leg, all bones matter”.
The left and Democrats are always playing the race card. They want to divide people up into voting blocks. Identity politics. You're perpetuating it with that attitude. All lives matter. All Americans matter. We shouldn't play favorites with anyone. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.
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The left and Democrats are always playing the race card. They want to divide people up into voting blocks. Identity politics. You're perpetuating it with that attitude. All lives matter. All Americans matter. We shouldn't play favorites with anyone. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.
With the slavery thing, you mean?
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The left and Democrats are always playing the race card. They want to divide people up into voting blocks. Identity politics. You're perpetuating it with that attitude. All lives matter. All Americans matter. We shouldn't play favorites with anyone. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.
Of course the Republicans wouldn’t dream of doing that.
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With the slavery thing, you mean?
Slavery and all other discrimination based on race. The race card is politically effective but very destructive in the long term.
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Slavery and all other discrimination based on race. The race card is politically effective but very destructive in the long term.
Victim blaming par excellence. What you call “the race card” is not a game, it’s the statement that unacceptable inequalities continue to exist.
Tell me something - at what point do you accept responsibility for something?
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The left and Democrats are always playing the race card. They want to divide people up into voting blocks. Identity politics. You're perpetuating it with that attitude. All lives matter. All Americans matter. We shouldn't play favorites with anyone. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.
White lives have mattered since the first European set foot in this hemisphere. Black lives, not. They didn't matter at all for 250 years except to the extent they were property with monetary value. And then for another 100 years they didn't matter in much of the country. Black people could be lynched, whipped, burned, shot, raped, and tortured with impunity by the whites. So the slogan Black Lives Matter really means "Black Lives Matter Too" and the people who go around shouting White/All Lives Matter are being disingenuous or just plain stupid.
As for playing favorites, I agree we shouldn't. This country has favored white people, men in particular, since day one and is still doing so. So let's stop.
And the race card? Please. That has been played by the white supremacists for ages. Remember the Willie Horton ads in the 1988 presidential campaign? Dog whistle politics in pure form. How about the "southern strategy" where the GOP used dog whistles and code words such as "states rights" to communicate to white people, particularly in the south, the GOP's willingness to oppose civil rights laws.
And identity politics? That has been Trump's calling card since day 1. The identity is, of course, aggrieved white people who fear that their dominance will end.
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His brother is quite sick and I would not doubt that is wearing on Trump.
Trump’s brother died on Saturday. Trump was at Bedminster playing golf with some famous football player. Nothing Trump could do to help, so no reason to pass up an opportunity to play golf, I guess. He was at the movies when his other brother died.
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All people want to live where it's safe. All lives matter.
Over the last 15 years, I've visited Portland over 20 times...always felt very safe there. The city has great people, a very nice vibe with unbelievable brew pubs and great concerts in parks all summer. Love it. Probably closest city in the states to what I'd call a typical Canadian city.
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When I hear "all lives matter" I am reminded of George Orwell's line in Animal Farm: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
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You guys are wasting time debating Russia when the real topic today is how Trump is doing everything he can to bias the elections by preventing mail voting.
Odds are that his plan is to keep the pandemic active as long as he can in order to ensure that as many people as possible don’t go physically to vote out of covid concerns while making sure that USPS is depowered and unable to process the mail voting that’s largely pro-Democrat.
That’s as close as possible to large scale voting forgery and is unheard of in any democratic country as far as I know.
Cheers,
Bernard
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You guys are wasting time debating Russia when the real topic today is how Trump is doing everything he can to bias the elections by preventing mail voting.
You are right. My wife and I have discussed it and will be voting in person during early voting when the lines are short. It is too important to place your trust in the mail given what is currently going on with the USPS.
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You guys are wasting time debating Russia when the real topic today is how Trump is doing everything he can to bias the elections by preventing mail voting.
It now seems obvious that when Trump tweeted
2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA.
he was once again speaking "aspirationally." In other words, that is his goal rather than his prediction.
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You are right. My wife and I have discussed it and will be voting in person during early voting when the lines are short. It is too important to place your trust in the mail given what is currently going on with the USPS.
People have no problem going to Home Depot, Best Buy, the cell phone store, the pharmacy, the grocery, heck even restaurants around me are as full as they can be. So what’s the problem with going to vote? Or is this just another liberal wet dream, let no crisis go to waste to achieve your goals?
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You guys are wasting time debating Russia when the real topic today is how Trump is doing everything he can to bias the elections by preventing mail voting.
Odds are that his plan is to keep the pandemic active as long as he can in order to ensure that as many people as possible don’t go physically to vote out of covid concerns while making sure that USPS is depowered and unable to process the mail voting that’s largely pro-Democrat.
That’s as close as possible to large scale voting forgery and is unheard of in any democratic country as far as I know.
Cheers,
Bernard
Politics is being played on both sides. The Democrats are pushing mail-in voting because they know there's no enthusiasm for the democrat ticket. People aren't going to stand in lines to vote for Biden and HArris. But if all you have to do is check off a ballot at home and drop it in the mail, you don;t need too much enthusiasm. Of course, Trump see this from his standpoint and is against mail-in.
Personally, I intend to mail in my vote. However, according to law, I already have requested my local election board send me mail-in ballot. Trump agrees that this is OK.
What concerns him and should concern others, that the Democrats want to have every election board automatically send out ballots to everyone who listed on the election rolls. The problem with that is that election rolls are not up to date. Dead people are still on them years after they died. I'm still on my local election rolls in NYC even though I moved to New Jersey 7 years ago. I never told them I moved nor does anyone else when they move. So I would get two ballots to vote: one from New Jersey and one from New York. Of course, the ballot might not arrive because the post office won't forward it after a year of moving. So it will float around. But if I only just moved within the last twelve months, I would have get two ballots.
Although it's illegal to vote in two states or more than once even in the same state, there are millions of people on more than one voting roll because they moved. Without specifically asking to vote by mail like my wife and I did, sending ballots out to everyone blindly is going to create another Florida chad problem like what happened in 2000. This election will be contested throughout the country not just in the state of Florida. It'll be a mess.
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People have no problem going to Home Depot, Best Buy, the cell phone store, the pharmacy, the grocery, heck even restaurants around me are as full as they can be. So what’s the problem with going to vote? Or is this just another liberal wet dream, let no crisis go to waste to achieve your goals?
So not being afraid of covid19 becomes a condition to be allowed to vote?
Not to mention the anticonstitutionnality of this approach that’s incredibly shocking for a republican administration, we are right at the point where the US stops to be a democracy. In front of our eyes.
The only precedent in the past 100 years of a democratic state turning into a dictatorship is Germany.
And you seem to like the idea that the US is coming next.
Cheers,
Bernard
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So not being afraid of covid19 becomes a condition to be allowed to vote?
Not to mention the anticonstitutionnality of this approach that’s incredibly shocking for a republican administration, we are right at the point where the US stops to be a democracy. In front of our eyes.
The only precedent in the past 100 years of a democratic state turning into a dictatorship is Germany.
And you seem to like the idea that the US is coming next.
Cheers,
Bernard
See my last post. There's nothing wrong with mail-in voting if you request the ballot. Trump agrees with this method. In fact that's how he votes.
It's just that mailing out ballots to everyone on the election rolls is a problem because everyone who's moved would be on more than one roll. There would be multiple ballots going to the same people and then multiple votes. You can't have people voting twice. There would be challenges in all 50 states against the counts. We'd have to recount the entire country.
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Looking good, boys, looking good.
“... a weekend of violent clashes across America, reflecting a rise in serious crime in US cities and an increasingly febrile political atmosphere before November’s presidential election. “
(https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F47578bac-dfd0-11ea-9a3a-c45f6db42dc9.jpg?crop=4100%2C2306%2C559%2C55&resize=800)
John Amis/EPA
There has been a surge in killings in New York since June. As of yesterday morning at least five people had died from shootings in the city. Between midnight on Friday and 5pm on Saturday 40 people were the victims of gun violence, the police said. In one incident an unidentified man fired ten rounds from the street through a Bronx apartment window.
In Cincinnati, Ohio, 18 people were shot in the early hours yesterday, at least four of them fatally. Ten of them were shot in a single event.
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So not being afraid of covid19 becomes a condition to be allowed to vote?
Not to mention the anticonstitutionnality of this approach that’s incredibly shocking for a republican administration, we are right at the point where the US stops to be a democracy. In front of our eyes.
The only precedent in the past 100 years of a democratic state turning into a dictatorship is Germany.
And you seem to like the idea that the US is coming next.
Cheers,
Bernard
I guess New Zealand is becoming Germany too.
New Zealand Election Postponed Amid New Coronavirus Outbreak
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the September national election scheduled would be delayed by four weeks, citing voter safety and a lockdown in Auckland that would make it difficult to campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/world/asia/new-zealand-election-coronavirus.html
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I guess New Zealand is becoming Germany too.
New Zealand Election Postponed Amid New Coronavirus Outbreak
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the September national election scheduled would be delayed by four weeks, citing voter safety and a lockdown in Auckland that would make it difficult to campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/world/asia/new-zealand-election-coronavirus.html
Do you ever read the stuff you link to? I guess I already know the answer to that, but if you (hypothetically) had done so you would know that this was a change that is within the timeframe specified, it was agreed with other parties, and that it was a change that Ardern had been unwilling to make.
In fact of all world leaders, the one who's least like Trump or Hitler is probably Jacinda Ardern.
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So not being afraid of covid19 becomes a condition to be allowed to vote?
Not to mention the anticonstitutionnality of this approach that’s incredibly shocking for a republican administration, we are right at the point where the US stops to be a democracy. In front of our eyes.
The only precedent in the past 100 years of a democratic state turning into a dictatorship is Germany.
Cheers,
Bernard
Not only Germany!
On February 25, 1948 Czechoslovakia, until then the last democracy in Eastern Europe, turned communist for more than 40 years of totalitarian rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Czechoslovak_coup_d%27état
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Or is this just another liberal wet dream, let no crisis go to waste to achieve your goals?
Did you have any specific goals in mind?
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Do you ever read the stuff you link to? I guess I already know the answer to that, but if you (hypothetically) had done so you would know that this was a change that is within the timeframe specified, it was agreed with other parties, and that it was a change that Ardern had been unwilling to make.
In fact of all world leaders, the one who's least like Trump or Hitler is probably Jacinda Ardern.
You really need to stop with your personal ad hominem attacks. You're smart enough to make your point without that. If you want to have a conversation with me, I expect to be treated with respect. Same with others here who get in the gutter to make their points. Thank you.
The PM's change of election date in New Zealand was not agreed to by others. There was no vote. The article stated the PM of NZ has the sole authority to unilaterally change the election date. Sure she consulted. But consultation is not a vote. Hitler consulted with his government too. But he made the decisions unilaterally. (By the way. I'm not comparing NZ to Germany, just showing that the power of it's leader is greater than in America).
On the other hand, a US president cannot change the date unilaterally. Period. Consultation or no consultation. All these arguments that Trump is Hitler and America is like Nazi Germany are just plain political hyperbole.
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Did you have any specific goals in mind?
Sure, find a way to control the flow of ballots and shape the election.
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The Democrats, FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration used the security services and courts of the US government to go after a political opponents like we are a third world country. One day they'll get a taste of their own medicine.
Just like the endless Benghazi investigation that the Republican controlled House of Representatives launched several years ago.
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Just like the endless Benghazi investigation that the Republican controlled House of Representatives launched several years ago.
It wasn't the investigation. Those are legal and go on all the time in Congress. It was the fact that one political party illegally used the secret and police powers of government agencies to go after the president from the other party accusing him of treason. You can't compare the two.
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It wasn't the investigation. Those are legal and go on all the time in Congress. It was the fact that one political party illegally used the secret and police powers of government agencies to go after the president from the other party accusing him of treason. You can't compare the two.
What exactly are those secret powers? I mean if you know about them, they could hardly be called secret.
If those congressional investigations about Benghazi were okay, why were Trump and the Republicans so bent out of shape about the Russia and Ukraine investigations? I mean they were legal and go on all the time in Congress. At least I think that is what you said.
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Sure, find a way to control the flow of ballots and shape the election.
Gosh, I thought that is what Trump is doing. I read yesterday that in North Carolina people were receiving in the mail absentee ballot requests forms with Trump's picture on them.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html
I have not researched NC election law, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was not illegal, but I am not sure that anything the Democrats are supposed to be doing is illegal either.
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People have no problem going to Home Depot, Best Buy, the cell phone store, the pharmacy, the grocery, heck even restaurants around me are as full as they can be. So what’s the problem with going to vote? Or is this just another liberal wet dream, let no crisis go to waste to achieve your goals?
When you say 'people', do you mean everybody? Because here in the UK, whilst MANY people are out and about, there are a significant number who are still not. I don't know whether Covid favours Rep. or Dem in the US, but the fear of it might well change the election result - might it not?
Jim
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You really need to stop with your personal ad hominem attacks. You're smart enough to make your point without that. If you want to have a conversation with me, I expect to be treated with respect. Same with others here who get in the gutter to make their points. Thank you.
The PM's change of election date in New Zealand was not agreed to by others. There was no vote. The article stated the PM of NZ has the sole authority to unilaterally change the election date. Sure she consulted. But consultation is not a vote. Hitler consulted with his government too. But he made the decisions unilaterally. (By the way. I'm not comparing NZ to Germany, just showing that the power of it's leader is greater than in America).
On the other hand, a US president cannot change the date unilaterally. Period. Consultation or no consultation. All these arguments that Trump is Hitler and America is like Nazi Germany are just plain political hyperbole.
Sorry mate, but you can't vote for the pussy grabber and still demand respect.
As regards NZ, as I said before, the example is ridiculous because delaying the election helps Ardern's opponents, not her - she acted in the interests of democracy, not her own interests. Compare and contrast.
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Sorry mate, but you can't vote for the pussy grabber and still demand respect.
As regards NZ, as I said before, the example is ridiculous because delaying the election helps Ardern's opponents, not her - she acted in the interests of democracy, not her own interests. Compare and contrast.
I have nothing further to say to you anymore. Have a nice day.
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What exactly are those secret powers? I mean if you know about them, they could hardly be called secret.
If those congressional investigations about Benghazi were okay, why were Trump and the Republicans so bent out of shape about the Russia and Ukraine investigations? I mean they were legal and go on all the time in Congress. At least I think that is what you said.
The illegal shenanigans by the CIA, FBI, and other government agencies were secret except the Obama administration's and the agencies involved. Trump, his campaign, and the public knew nothing. Some of it has come out by Congressional investigations. But, much of it is still secret as the democrats and agencies have hidden stuff to protect themselves.
I have no problem with Congress investigating Ukraine or Benghazi. It's how one party keeps the other honest. It's how Congress keeps the Executive branch honest. It helps inform the public what's going on in government. But those are legal unlike what happened to Trump with the FISA court and FBI. The latter was an illegal attempt to damage the president or pull off a coup using the impressive police powers of the Federal government.
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The illegal shenanigans by the CIA, FBI, and other government agencies were secret except the Obama administration's and the agencies involved. Trump, his campaign, and the public knew nothing. Some of it has come out by Congressional investigations. But, much of it is still secret as the democrats and agencies have hidden stuff to protect themselves.
So you weren't talking about secret powers when to wrote "used the secret and police powers"?
I have no problem with Congress investigating Ukraine or Benghazi. It's how one party keeps the other honest. It's how Congress keeps the Executive branch honest. It helps inform the public what's going on in government. But those are legal unlike what happened to Trump with the FISA court and FBI. The latter was an illegal attempt to damage the president or pull off a coup using the impressive police powers of the Federal government.
So you think it all turns on whether the FBI mentioning the Steele dossier in a footnote to a FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was illegal. Do you have a link to some article that makes the case that the FBI mentioning the Steele dossier in a footnote to a FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was illegal? I thought the FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was processed after he left the Trump campaign, so I am not sure how it is even relevant, but I could be wrong about the timing. Did the FISA court grant applications for the FBI to conduct surveillance on anyone else in the Trump campaign. I don't think so, but I may be misremembering.
A coup? Describe exactly how that was going to take place. I am having trouble visualizing it.
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I have nothing further to say to you anymore. Have a nice day.
Good. Now you know how I feel when someone tells me that “all lives matter”.
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So you weren't talking about secret powers when to wrote "used the secret and police powers"?
So you think it all turns on whether the FBI mentioning the Steele dossier in a footnote to a FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was illegal. Do you have a link to some article that makes the case that the FBI mentioning the Steele dossier in a footnote to a FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was illegal? I thought the FISA application to conduct surveillance on Carter Page was processed after he left the Trump campaign, so I am not sure how it is even relevant, but I could be wrong about the timing. Did the FISA court grant applications for the FBI to conduct surveillance on anyone else in the Trump campaign. I don't think so, but I may be misremembering.
I don't understand your first question.
The FBI lied to the FISA court. Once the investigation got going, it had a life of its own. It led to Mueller and false charges of conspiracy and collusion. I'm not going to research google to refresh your memory or mine for each stage. However, it was a very bad chapter in American political and legal deception that hurt the country. It set us up for similar chicanery and harm in the future.
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The FBI lied to the FISA court.
Did they? About what exactly?
Once the investigation got going, it had a life of its own. It led to Mueller and false charges of conspiracy and collusion. I'm not going to research google to refresh your memory or mine for each stage. However, it was a very bad chapter in American political and legal deception that hurt the country. It set us up for similar chicanery and harm in the future.
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Did they? About what exactly?
They used the dossier after getting rid of Steele who put it together with supposed Russian spies he knew. The FBI doubted that much of it was credible. Yet they used it anyway to support their case to the FISA court.
Something new from three days ago regarding Carter Page. An FBI lawyer who didn't like Trump will plead guilty for lying in emails. It's part of a separate probe into the investigation of the investigation. It's new information so I'm not familiar with all the details. However, here's part of what it's about from Washington Post.
"A former FBI lawyer has agreed to plead guilty to altering an email that helped justify surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser as part of the 2016 investigation into Russian interference in the election, according to his lawyer and a person familiar with the matter.
Kevin Clinesmith, who worked in the FBI general counsel’s office, is expected to admit he doctored an email so it said that former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page was not a source for the CIA, even though Page previously had a relationship with the agency. Relying on what Clinesmith had said, the FBI ultimately did not disclose Page’s relationship with the CIA as it applied to renew a warrant to monitor him as a possible agent of a foreign power."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/kevin-clinesmith-fbi-trump-russia-john-durham/2020/08/14/2f579994-de26-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html
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Gosh, I thought that is what Trump is doing. I read yesterday that in North Carolina people were receiving in the mail absentee ballot requests forms with Trump's picture on them.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html
I have not researched NC election law, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was not illegal, but I am not sure that anything the Democrats are supposed to be doing is illegal either.
Its pretty standard for political parties to send out absentee ballot request forms with candidate photos on them. Nothing wrong with that.
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When you say 'people', do you mean everybody? Because here in the UK, whilst MANY people are out and about, there are a significant number who are still not. I don't know whether Covid favours Rep. or Dem in the US, but the fear of it might well change the election result - might it not?
Jim
For those who won't or can't go out, request an application for an absentee ballot. Simple.
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Its pretty standard for political parties to send out absentee ballot request forms with candidate photos on them. Nothing wrong with that.
News to me, but I have only lived in three states.
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News to me, but I have only lived in three states.
Just a quick check and Iowa came up first and it says political parties may solicit and collect absentee requests and may reprint the origianl form in their mailers. I'm too lazy to search for more.
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They used the dossier after getting rid of Steele who put it together with supposed Russian spies he knew. The FBI doubted that much of it was credible. Yet they used it anyway to support their case to the FISA court.
I have heard this said before, but I have not heard any explanation about how exactly the FBI used the Steel dossier to support their case, other than it appeared in a footnote.
Something new from three days ago regarding Carter Page. An FBI lawyer who didn't like Trump will plead guilty for lying in emails. It's part of a separate probe into the investigation of the investigation. It's new information so I'm not familiar with all the details. However, here's part of what it's about from Washington Post.
"A former FBI lawyer has agreed to plead guilty to altering an email that helped justify surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser as part of the 2016 investigation into Russian interference in the election, according to his lawyer and a person familiar with the matter.
Kevin Clinesmith, who worked in the FBI general counsel’s office, is expected to admit he doctored an email so it said that former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page was not a source for the CIA, even though Page previously had a relationship with the agency. Relying on what Clinesmith had said, the FBI ultimately did not disclose Page’s relationship with the CIA as it applied to renew a warrant to monitor him as a possible agent of a foreign power."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/kevin-clinesmith-fbi-trump-russia-john-durham/2020/08/14/2f579994-de26-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html
I read the article yesterday, but am on a different computer and can't access WaPo articles today. I thought this had to do with renewing the FISA warrant in 2017. In January the DOJ declared that renewal and a subsequent renewal invalid, so this is not exactly news. Anyway, it has nothhing to do with Trump. The DOJ has not determined the Carter Page FISA warrant mentioning the Steel dossier in a footnote was invalid.
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Just a quick check and Iowa came up first and it says political parties may solicit and collect absentee requests and may reprint the origianl form in their mailers. I'm too lazy to search for more.
I am not surprised, and am likewise too lazy to look for other examples.
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I have heard this said before, but I have not heard any explanation about how exactly they used the Steel dossier to support their case.
I read the article yesterday, but am on a different computer and can't access WaPo articles today. I thought this had to do with renewing the FISA warrant in 2017. In January the DOJ declared that renewal and a subsequent renewal invalid. Nothing to do with Trump. The DOJ has not determined the Carter Page FISA warrant mentioning the Steele dossier in a footnote was invalid.
In order for surveillance subpoenas to continue, the FISA court requires periodic corroboration of its need. The dossier, paid to British spy Steele by Hillary Clinton, was used as that evidence. The FBI presented it to the FISA court knowing that the FBI fired Steele and largely suspected the dossier had little credibility. Nor did they tell the court it was produced by the Democrats, the opposition party to Trump. So they were using phoney political material to fool the court in keeping the subpoenas going. They lied to the court to go after Trump. Obama knew about this all along.
The worse part is that all this BS investigation became the fodder that was used to push for the two-year Mueller investigation to destroy the president politically. Every day the president was accused of treason and conspiracy. It tied his hands in dealing with Russia. It wasted his time that could have been used in dealing better with America's problems. Whether you like Trump or not, this whole fiasco hurt the country.
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Here's the form you need to vote by mail in my NJ county. My wife and I already did this. No big deal. Trump says this method is fine.
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/assets/pdf/forms-vote-by-mail/vote-mail-ballot-middlesex-english.pdf
I think my county is going for Biden/Harris who's mom in Asian Indian. This is the giveaway. It was from the links to order the form in the language of your choosing.
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - English
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Espanol
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Gujarati
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Hindi
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Punjabi
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In order for surveillance subpoenas to continue, the FISA court requires periodic corroboration of its need. The dossier, paid to British spy Steele by Hillary Clinton, was used as that evidence. The FBI presented it to the FISA court knowing that the FBI fired Steele and largely suspected the dossier had little credibility. Nor did they tell the court it was produced by the Democrats, the opposition party to Trump. So they were using phoney political material to fool the court in keeping the subpoenas going. They lied to the court to go after Trump. Obama knew about this all along.
Like I said, I've heard all of this before. But what you offer is conclusory statements without providing an explanation of exactly how they used the Steel dossier to support their case. It can't have been very important if it was in a footnote. Are you saying that the FISA court would have never granted the warrant but for the reference to the Steel dossier in a footnote? Besides, all this took place after Carter Page left the Trump campaign, so I'm not sure I see its relevance.
The worse part is that all this BS investigation became the fodder that was used to push for the two-year Mueller investigation to destroy the president politically. Every day the president was accused of treason and conspiracy. It tied his hands in dealing with Russia. It wasted his time that could have been used in dealing better with America's problems. Whether you like Trump or not, this whole fiasco hurt the country.
Like I said, if all of this is true, Trump has a beef with Rod Rosenstein, his hand picked Deputy AG. He could have fired him and Mueller. He just chickened out because of the bad press Nixon got for the Friday Night Massacre. It is not like Trump is a man of principal. He doesn't have any except what's best for him. Besides, if he knew he was innocent, he could bitch and moan about it all day, every day, for years to keep his base riled up, and in the end be vindicated. There is nothing like the redemption of a victim for sympathy. Do you think he has gained or lost any voters over this? Do you have any support for your answer.
I'll ask again, does anyone other than Trump, David Nunes, and you care about this any more? Is this an issue for 2020?
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Here's the form you need to vote by mail in my NJ county. My wife and I already did this. No big deal. Trump says this method is fine.
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/assets/pdf/forms-vote-by-mail/vote-mail-ballot-middlesex-english.pdf
I think my county is going for Biden/Harris who's mom in Asian Indian. This is the giveaway. It was from the links to order the form in the language of your choosing.
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - English
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Espanol
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Gujarati
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Hindi
Middlesex County Vote By Mail Ballot Application - Punjabi
Given the fact that Middlesex County in New Jersey has the highest concentration of Asian Indian US citizens of any county in the United States, it's not really a surprise. With the exception of Bergen County which also offers the ballot in Korean, every other New Jersey county offers the ballot in just two languages, English and Spanish.
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtml (https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtml)
Given that your county is reliably heavily Democratic and that Clinton beat Trump by nearly 20 points there in 2016, I'd say that this is your most reliable prediction to date.
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Here's the form you need to vote by mail in my NJ county. My wife and I already did this. No big deal. Trump says this method is fine.
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/assets/pdf/forms-vote-by-mail/vote-mail-ballot-middlesex-english.pdf
I think my county is going for Biden/Harris who's mom in Asian Indian. This is the giveaway. It was from the links to order the form in the language of your choosing.
I may be naive, but is anyone really going to vote for Biden, who otherwise would have voted for Trump, because Harris's mother was born in India.
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Like I said, I've heard all of this before. But what you offer is conclusory statements without providing an explanation of exactly how they used the Steel dossier to support their case. It can't have been very important if it was in a footnote. Are you saying that the FISA court would have never granted the warrant but for the reference to the Steel dossier in a footnote? Besides, all this took place after Carter Page left the Trump campaign, so I'm not sure I see its relevance.
Like I said, if all of this is true, Trump has a beef with Rod Rosenstein, his hand picked Deputy AG. He could have fired him and Mueller. He just chickened out because of the bad press Nixon got for the Friday Night Massacre. It is not like Trump is a man of principal. He doesn't have any except what's best for him. Besides, if he knew he was innocent, he could bitch and moan about it all day, every day, for years to keep his base riled up, and in the end be vindicated. There is nothing like the redemption of a victim for sympathy. Do you think he has gained or lost any voters over this? Do you have any support for your answer.
I'll ask again, does anyone other than Trump, David Nunes, and you care about this any more? Is this an issue for 2020?
When the government police services use extra-legal procedures to go after a political opponent, a president, to destroy him, yes, that a pretty important issue. Next time it could be a Democrat president. Regardless of who it is, it's dangerous and destructive for the country. It tried to destroy the democratic principles and legitimacy of the government. I'm surprised you can't see that but of course you don't like Trump. But you ought to look beyond that
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Given the fact that Middlesex County in New Jersey has the highest concentration of Asian Indian US citizens of any county in the United States, it's not really a surprise. With the exception of Bergen County which also offers the ballot in Korean, every other New Jersey county offers the ballot in just two languages, English and Spanish.
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtml (https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtml)
Given that your county is reliably heavily Democratic and that Clinton beat Trump by nearly 20 points there in 2016, I'd say that this is your most reliable prediction to date.
Thanks for doing the study. I didn't know we had so many Asian Indians. Close by, there's a place that does Indian weddings that's very interesting. Loads of Indian doctors here. Regarding voting, that's the reason I was planning to vote at home. It's not worth the effort voting at the polling place. I'm use to not winning living in Democrat NJ and Democrat NY all my life. You can count Republican wins on your toes. :)
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When the government police services use extra-legal procedures to go after a political opponent, a president, to destroy him, yes, that a pretty important issue. Next time it could be a Democrat president. Regardless of who it is, it's dangerous and destructive for the country. It tried to destroy the democratic principles and legitimacy of the government. I'm surprised you can't see that but of course you don't like Trump. But you ought to look beyond that
You still haven't told me what these extra-legal procedures to go after a political opponent were. This FISA stuff was all done after he left the Trump campaign. After he left the campaign even Trump said he was not part of the campaign. Trump said as far as he knew he was just the coffee boy. Why would anyone with the intent of destroying our democracy pick poor Carter Page the coffee boy as the lynchpin of their conspiracy. I mean the guy can barely tie his shoes.
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I may be naive, but is anyone really going to vote for Biden, who otherwise would have voted for Trump, because Harris's mother was born in India.
Well she wasn't picked because she's Indian. But I suppose many Republican Indians will vote for her out of pride. American Indians do very well. There are huge numbers of doctors here in NJ who have a lot of money and investments who are probably Republicans. I suppose Pakistani Democrats might now vote for Trump. It will even out.
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You still haven't told me what these extra-legal procedures to go after a political opponent were.
Frank, I've explained it above. Enough!
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Frank, I've explained it above. Enough!
You haven't explained anything. You have just made a bunch of conclusory statements.
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This election is about to get started! Oh yeah DNC convention tonight!
If you had asked me a month ago, my money would have been on Biden, but now I think Trump is going to pull it off.
News story today in my local Philly paper, with the virtual learning the school districts have put in place, private & charter schools are seeing a huge increase in demand. A buddy of mine with two kids just tried to get his enrolled in a private Catholic school, but they are at max enrollment now. I went to Catholic school from K through 12 and decreasing enrollment was always an issue. It's been years since I've heard Catholic schools turning kids away due to capacity.
Now is when the actual policies of Trump vs. Biden will be looked at, and (by polling) many more Americans support the Trump agenda. I was talking to a recent former moderate Blue Dog today, and he had to switch due to policy. The Dems just went off the deep end with policy according to him.
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I just love this irony!
Crowd protests outside US Postmaster's North Carolina home (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/crowd-protests-us-postmasters-north-carolina-home-72417131)
It is too dangerous to vote in person, so we must vote by mail, but it is perfectly safe to protest en mass outside the post master general's house.
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I just love this irony!
Crowd protests outside US Postmaster's North Carolina home (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/crowd-protests-us-postmasters-north-carolina-home-72417131)
It is too dangerous to vote in person, so we must vote by mail, but it is perfectly safe to protest en mass outside the post master general's house.
Maybe they were protesting on behalf of their grandmothers.
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Maybe they were protesting on behalf of their grandmothers.
Yeah okay, more like people who like causing trouble causing trouble.
But anyway, keep in mind, he's not my guy, but the protesters' guy.
Fauci defends voting by mail if 'you don't want to take the chance' in person (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/511905-fauci-defends-voting-by-mail-if-you-dont-want-to-take-the-chance-in-person)
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Fauci defends voting by mail if 'you don't want to take the chance' in person (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/511905-fauci-defends-voting-by-mail-if-you-dont-want-to-take-the-chance-in-person)
But remember what Alan says about Fauci: he is only considering the medical aspect. You are going to need some experts on the post office to opine on how likely your ballot is to reach its destination, and some election experts to opine on how likely it is your vote will be counted if it gets there.
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But remember what Alan says about Fauci: he is only considering the medical aspect. You are going to need some experts on the post office to opine on how likely your ballot is to reach its destination, and some election experts to opine on how likely it is your vote will be counted if it gets there.
The USPS has already opined on this and the opinion is not in favor of mail in voting.
There are two types of mail for letters, first class and marketing class, and under normal circumstances it takes 2 to 3 days and 4 to 7 days for first and marketing class to reach its destination, respectively. Now, since it would be considered voter suppression if you required people to buy their own stamp and/or forcing people to pay to vote (which will be viewed as a racial issue by the Dems), all mail in ballots will come with a pre-stamped envelopes. It is almost certainly the case the states will be using marketing class. Marketing class is almost half the price of first class and will save a lot of money (I know from my own business), and since government always takes the cheapest way out I doubt this will be different. Marketing class postage also can only be printed on the envelope (they do not make marketing class stamps), which are almost never post marked. This makes it impossible to know when they were mailed.
Now, with the pandemic, these delivery times may have been extended in certain areas (that are constantly changing based on conditions on the ground) due to variety of issues, some of which will not be fixed by merely throwing money at them. You combine that with most states requiring that ballots be received by election day, at the latest, but no more then four days beforehand, and the whole thing is destined to become a mess.
If you mail early to make sure you votes gets in in an area where the mail has not been effected, it may be received too early and invalidated. If you mail it in on time but suddenly there is a delay in your area, your vote may get invalidated by being received too late. Then combine that with the large number of people who will forget to sign and a lot of ballots will be thrown out this year.
Like I said, if you want to go down this road, be my guest. Many more Dems plan on voting by mail then Republicans, and after the NYC primary and Iowa caucus it really seems like the Democrats need to learn the hard way.
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The USPS has already opined on this and the opinion is not in favor of mail in voting.
There are two types of mail for letters, first class and marketing class, and under normal circumstances it takes 2 to 3 days and 4 to 7 days for first and marketing class to reach its destination, respectively. Now, since it would be considered voter suppression if you required people to buy their own stamp and/or forcing people to pay to vote (which will be viewed as a racial issue by the Dems), all mail in ballots will come with a pre-stamped envelopes. It is almost certainly the case the states will be using marketing class. Marketing class is almost half the price of first class and will save a lot of money (I know from my own business), and since government always takes the cheapest way out I doubt this will be different. Marketing class postage also can only be printed on the envelope (they do not make marketing class stamps), which are almost never post marked. This makes it impossible to know when they were mailed.
Now, with the pandemic, these delivery times may have been extended in certain areas (that are constantly changing based on conditions on the ground) due to variety of issues, some of which will not be fixed by merely throwing money at them. You combine that with most states requiring that ballots be received by election day, at the latest, but no more then four days beforehand, and the whole thing is destined to become a mess.
If you mail early to make sure you votes gets in in an area where the mail has not been effected, it may be received too early and invalidated. If you mail it in on time but suddenly there is a delay in your area, your vote may get invalidated by being received too late. Then combine that with the large number of people who will forget to sign and a lot of ballots will be thrown out this year.
Like I said, if you want to go down this road, be my guest. Many more Dems plan on voting by mail then Republicans, and after the NYC primary and Iowa caucus it really seems like the Democrats need to learn the hard way.
I am not sure what road you think I want to go down, if any.
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Many more Dems plan on voting by mail then Republicans, and after the NYC primary and Iowa caucus it really seems like the Democrats need to learn the hard way.
The Democratic Party has been learning the hard way about Republican Party voter suppression tactics for many years.
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I am not sure what road you think I want to go down, if any.
And by we, you mean the Dems (which by association you admit you are)?
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The Democratic Party has been learning the hard way about Republican Party voter suppression tactics for many years.
And yet you did it to yourselves in the recent NYC primaries (21% of all ballots were invalidated) and the Iowa Caucus (do we know who actually won yet?), both fully run by Dems.
Care to try again?
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And yet you did it to yourselves in the recent NYC primaries (21% of all ballots were invalidated) and the Iowa Caucus (do we know who actually won yet?), both fully run by Dems.
Care to try again?
If I could make some sense out of your last two posts and how your replies relate to the quotations that you reference, I might.
Care to try again?
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I have nothing further to say to you anymore. Have a nice day.
hahahahahahahha!
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And by we, you mean the Dems (which by association you admit you are)?
I am not sure who the “we” to whom you are referring is. “We” is not in the post you quoted.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I have voted for both in the past. I am not sure who you are associating me with or why. Why do you feel a need to associate me with someone or something?
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I am not sure who the “we” to whom you are referring is. “We” is not in the post you quoted.
am neither Republican nor Democrat. I have voted for both in the past. I am not sure who you are associating me with.
I read back thru several posts and I couldn't make out who "we" is either. It made no sense to me at all. Oh well.
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I am not sure who the “we” to whom you are referring is. “We” is not in the post you quoted.
I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I have voted for both in the past. I am not sure who you are associating me with or why. Why do you feel a need to associate me with someone or something?
Okay, good point. I read your response too fast. Apologies on my part.
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How many are willing to bet Trump pardons Edward Snowden Thursday morning, sucking all the oxygen out of the room for Biden's speech that night?
If you wonder why I think this, Trump was asked about Snowden a last week, saying he would look into it. Trump, either last night or this morning, announced a major pardon is coming real soon. Snowden is the only person I can think of that fits that bill and Thursday morning would be the best timing politically. Not to mention it will go a long way at winning over disgruntled Bernie Bros who have been for the pardon for a long time.
It would also put Biden in a bad position. He cant really agree with Trump since that throws Obama under the bus. If he disagrees, he will be seen as someone who is for an authoritarian state, helping to counter the narrative the Dems have been pushing for years on Trump. If he remains quiet, although it wont be as bad as denouncing it, it will still hurt him.
BTW, I consider Obama not pardoning Snowden while commuting the sentence of Manning to be one of the most egregious actions of his administration especially after he ran on having a transparent administration.
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How many are willing to bet Trump pardons Edward Snowden Thursday morning, sucking all the oxygen out of the room for Biden's speech that night?
If you wonder why I think this, Trump was asked about Snowden a last week, saying he would look into it. Trump, either last night or this morning, announced a major pardon is coming real soon. Snowden is the only person I can think of that fits that bill and Thursday morning would be the best timing politically. Not to mention it will go a long way at winning over disgruntled Bernie Bros who have been for the pardon for a long time.
It would also put Biden in a bad position. He cant really agree with Trump since that throws Obama under the bus. If he disagrees, he will be seen as someone who is for an authoritarian state, helping to counter the narrative the Dems have been pushing for years on Trump. If he remains quiet, although it wont be as bad as denouncing it, it will still hurt him.
BTW, I consider Obama not pardoning Snowden while commuting the sentence of Manning to be one of the most egregious actions of his administration especially after he ran on having a transparent administration.
Maybe, but I'm cynical about things like that. I think that the number of people who remember who Snowden is rounds to zero.
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Maybe, but I'm cynical about things like that. I think that the number of people who remember who Snowden is rounds to zero.
Not amongst Bernie Bros; my brother is one and it is still a sore issue. On top of that, there has been an uptick in press about him of late.
Now of course, I would not be surprised if Trump just decided to pardon General Flynn and shoot himself in the foot. There's always that possibility too.
BTW, how did the infomercial go last night?
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Well damn, I'm wrong. Wont be Snowden or Flynn.
Susan B. Anthony, what a flop!
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...but no more then four days beforehand...
This claim is false. States don't send out absentee ballots before they can be returned and accepted.
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The government should provide the means for all people to vote at all times. (period) By mail or whatever under all circumstances.
If not it is not a true democracy.
and it should certainly not put up tresholds to keep people from voting. That attitude belongs to autocracies.
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This claim is false. States don't send out absentee ballots before they can be returned and accepted.
What?
No, I meant the mail-in ballots in many states can not be received any earlier then 4 days before the election, or they are invalidated, and not after it either. This was based upon a statement released by the USPS using GA as an example, which is very similar to most other states including my own.
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How many are willing to bet Trump pardons Edward Snowden Thursday morning, sucking all the oxygen out of the room for Biden's speech that night?
He might as a media stunt, though I don’t think he would pick up up any votes for doing so.
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He might as a media stunt, though I don’t think he would pick up up any votes for doing so.
With Snowden, I would disagree.
But it's Susan B Anthony, announced earlier today. Total media stunt and flop.
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This claim is false. States don't send out absentee ballots before they can be returned and accepted.
I didn’t find that provision in any of the Pennsylvania voting information I looked at either.
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Off the topic of mail-in voting for a moment -- here's something for those of you who poo-poo the Mueller report about Russia and the 2016 election. This is report from a GOP-led senate committee that describes, in great detail, how the Trump people colluded with the Russians to influence the 2016 election. GOP led committee, please note. This completely corroborates, and expands, what Mueller found. Any of you Trumplets care to justify this or dismiss it as "fake news?" Or maybe you just think it is OK?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
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Off the topic of mail-in voting for a moment -- here's something for those of you who poo-poo the Mueller report about Russia and the 2016 election. This is report from a GOP-led senate committee that describes, in great detail, how the Trump people colluded with the Russians to influence the 2016 election. GOP led committee, please note. This completely corroborates, and expands, what Mueller found. Any of you Trumplets care to justify this or dismiss it as "fake news?" Or maybe you just think it is OK?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
LOL man, you just cant let it go. This has been debunked.
BTW, if you actually want people to be able to respond to an article, perhaps post something not behind a paywall.
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But it's Susan B Anthony, announced earlier today. Total media stunt and flop.
Did anyone know she needed to be pardoned? I had to look it up. He must be getting desperate. I guess whoever thought this stunt up is going to get fired.
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How many are willing to bet Trump pardons Edward Snowden Thursday morning, sucking all the oxygen out of the room for Biden's speech that night?
If you wonder why I think this, Trump was asked about Snowden a last week, saying he would look into it. Trump, either last night or this morning, announced a major pardon is coming real soon. Snowden is the only person I can think of that fits that bill and Thursday morning would be the best timing politically. Not to mention it will go a long way at winning over disgruntled Bernie Bros who have been for the pardon for a long time.
It would also put Biden in a bad position. He cant really agree with Trump since that throws Obama under the bus. If he disagrees, he will be seen as someone who is for an authoritarian state, helping to counter the narrative the Dems have been pushing for years on Trump. If he remains quiet, although it wont be as bad as denouncing it, it will still hurt him.
BTW, I consider Obama not pardoning Snowden while commuting the sentence of Manning to be one of the most egregious actions of his administration especially after he ran on having a transparent administration.
Snowden isn't gay.
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The government should provide the means for all people to vote at all times. (period) By mail or whatever under all circumstances.
If not it is not a true democracy.
and it should certainly not put up tresholds to keep people from voting. That attitude belongs to autocracies.
How and when Americans vote is up to each state.
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Did anyone know she needed to be pardoned? I had to look it up. He must be getting desperate. I guess whoever thought this stunt up is going to get fired.
Trump's theory is it doesn't matter if the news is good or bad or indifferent. As long as you're talking about him.
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Trump's theory is it doesn't matter if the news is good or bad or indifferent. As long as you're talking about him.
Yes, the class clown. The ones I have known have grown out of it by the end of elementary school. I guess there always has to be an exception. It is the ones who admire the class clown who are the real problem. That is a trait that tends to continue into adulthood.
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Yes, the class clown. The ones I have known have grown out of it by the end of elementary school. I guess there always has to be an exception. It is the ones that admire the class clown who are the real problem. That is a trait that tends to continue into adulthood.
Hey, well at least he did not inherit a Middle East in relative calm, get a Nobel Prize for doing nothing, and then squandered that by bombing the hell out of innocent people, prop up Iran and finance terrorism by doing a midnight run with pallets of cash, start an unofficial war for no reason in Lebanon, allow ISIS to grow in strength just to get re-elected, and then brag about it.
So he has that, plus first Arab state to recognize Israel in nearly 30 years.
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This just in, the best plan I've seen to save the post office in time for the election!
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a plan to save the USPS: Progressive Penpals (https://aldianews.com/articles/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-has-plan-save-usps-progressive-penpals/60118)
“So one of the best ways to support the post office is to buy stamps. What do you all think? Would you guys be down and excited if I set up a national progressive pen pal program?” AOC
;D ;D ;D
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Hey, well at least he did not inherit a Middle East in relative calm, get a Nobel Prize for doing nothing, and then squandered that by bombing the hell out of innocent people, prop up Iran and finance terrorism by doing a midnight run with pallets of cash, start an unofficial war for no reason in Lebanon, allow ISIS to grow in strength just to get re-elected, and then brag about it.
So he has that, plus first Arab state to recognize Israel in nearly 30 years.
Right on time for a whatabout.
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Right on time for a whatabout.
You got a point. So ... back to the infomercial!
Michelle Obama's DNC speech was recorded before Biden picked Harris as running mate, source says (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michelle-obama-dnc-speech-kamala-harris-biden)
Can we say fakest event ever? Oh boy, one of the running criticisms from the left about her speech was she never talked about Harris, and from the right was the whole thing looked way to edited.
Well, now we know.
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The Senate committee investigating Russia/Trump stuff has released its 1000 page report. Trump is going to blow a gasket, but, according to Alan, as long as he is being talked about he is happy. I am not planning to read it. Surely everything that could be said, has been said. The New York Times hints at a few juicy nuggets, if you are a glutton for punishment. I have included a link to the NYT article on the off chance you haven't yet read your ten free NYT articles this month.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
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I am not watching the Democratic convention. Just to be fair, I am also not planning on watching the Republican convention. At this point, barring Biden having a stroke at one of the debates (for those who don't think he already has had one), no one could possibly be on the fence about who they are going to vote for. I wish we could advance the date we vote to something like yesterday. We are going to need all the time we can get before January 20, 2021 to resolve the lawsuits. Besides, USPS hasn't picked up all of the street letter boxes yet so mailing a ballot is still a possibility.
For all of you constitutional scholars out there, if all the lawsuits are not resolved by inauguration day, does the House elect an interim president? Am I reading the 20th Amendment correctly? Links to knowledgeable discussions (i.e., not CNN or Fox or any nut job lawyer) would be a help.
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The Senate committee investigating Russia/Trump stuff has released its 1000 page report. Trump is going to blow a gasket, but, according to Alan, as long as he is being talked about he is happy. I am not planning to read it. Surely everything that could be said, has been said. The New York Times hints at a few juicy nuggets, if you are a glutton for punishment. I have included a link to the NYT article on the off chance you haven't yet read your ten free NYT articles this month.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html
The report without the paywall...
https://www.scribd.com/document/472838626/Read-Senate-Intelligence-Committee-Report#from_embed
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This claim is false. States don't send out absentee ballots before they can be returned and accepted.
Also false for Maryland.
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LOL man, you just cant let it go. This has been debunked.
BTW, if you actually want people to be able to respond to an article, perhaps post something not behind a paywall.
Tell that to Senator Burr (R-NC) and chair of the committee that issued the report. Don't recklessly post answers that you know nothing about.
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LOL man, you just cant let it go. This has been debunked.
Wow! That was quick. The report just came out this morning. Do you have a link to the debunking? And maybe for starters tell us what the "this" is in the report that was debunked.
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Snowden isn't gay.
Gee, I don’t know how you know that, but mostly I don’t know why it would have any relevance to anything.
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I am not watching the Democratic convention. Just to be fair, I am also not planning on watching the Republican convention. At this point, barring Biden having a stroke at one of the debates (for those who don't think he already has had one), no one could possibly be on the fence about who they are going to vote for. I wish we could advance the date we vote to something like yesterday. We are going to need all the time we can get before January 20, 2021 to resolve the lawsuits. Besides, USPS hasn't picked up all of the street letter boxes yet so mailing a ballot is still a possibility.
For all of you constitutional scholars out there, if all the lawsuits are not resolved by inauguration day, does the House elect an interim president? Am I reading the 20th Amendment correctly? Links to knowledgeable discussions (i.e., not CNN or Fox or any nut job lawyer) would be a help.
Actually they call me and I tell them who won.
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Shamelessly copied and pasted here, the concluding paragraphs of NYT's first look at the report:
The findings broadly echo Mr. Mueller’s conclusions. His report documented attempts by Moscow to undermine confidence in the electoral process and sway the election toward Mr. Trump by hacking and dumping Democratic emails and engaging in sophisticated manipulation campaigns using social media.
After years of work, Mr. Mueller found dozens of contacts between Trump associates and Russian-connected actors, evidence that the Trump campaign welcomed the Kremlin’s attempts to sabotage the election and “expected it would benefit electorally” from the hacking and dumping of Democratic emails.
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For all of you constitutional scholars out there, if all the lawsuits are not resolved by inauguration day, does the House elect an interim president? Am I reading the 20th Amendment correctly? Links to knowledgeable discussions (i.e., not CNN or Fox or any nut job lawyer) would be a help.
"If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President."
https://uscode.house.gov/USC-title3-section19 (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title3-section19&num=0&edition=prelim)
"Under the Twentieth Amendment, the incumbent President’s term ends at noon on January 20th. There are no provisions of law permitting a President to stay in office after this date, even in the event of a national emergency, short of the ratification of a new constitutional amendment. If none of the other avenues for selecting a new President have been successful, the vacancy would be filled according to the prescribed rules of succession. If there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall act as President. If there is no Speaker, or if the Speaker otherwise fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall act as President."
https://crsreports.congress.gov/March 20, 2020 (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10425)
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With Snowden, I would disagree.
So there are people who would switch their vote from Biden to Trump if Trump pardoned Snowden? That must be quite the fan club.
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I am not watching the Democratic convention. Just to be fair, I am also not planning on watching the Republican convention. At this point, barring Biden having a stroke at one of the debates (for those who don't think he already has had one), no one could possibly be on the fence about who they are going to vote for. I wish we could advance the date we vote to something like yesterday. We are going to need all the time we can get before January 20, 2021 to resolve the lawsuits. Besides, USPS hasn't picked up all of the street letter boxes yet so mailing a ballot is still a possibility.
For all of you constitutional scholars out there, if all the lawsuits are not resolved by inauguration day, does the House elect an interim president? Am I reading the 20th Amendment correctly? Links to knowledgeable discussions (i.e., not CNN or Fox or any nut job lawyer) would be a help.
Actually, that's a great question. Off the top of my head, presidents are elected by the electoral college. The president needs a majority vote - more than 50%. (That's why we only have two main parties. If we ran like a parliament with let's say 6 parties, there often would be no majority. That's why it doesn't pay to start a third party.) So as long as the electoral college meets and votes, the fact there are lawsuits going on may not necessarily mean anything. If a lawsuit occured in a state, like what's happened in Florida in 2000, and let's say the Florida electors never showed up in Washington DC to vote, as long as there are more than 50% of the total electors voting for the president, it wouldn;t go to the Congress to decide. Of course, Floridians would lose their vote. Their representation in the presidential election would be lost. That was one of the reasons the Supreme Court refused to allow a re-count of the Florida vote that was requested. It was claimed there was not enough time to do it before the electors had to vote. However, the Supreme COurt let the existing vote count in Florida and the electors went to Washington and Bush won.
I can't imaging the SUpreme COurt holding up an election if there are lawsuits. They'd tell the states to get them settled and sent their electors to Washington to vote. Let's say there are 35 lawsuits going on in 28 states. There's no way the Supreme Court can rule on each of them with hearing, depositions, etc. There's no time. It's up to each state government and each Secretary of State to certify voting results. If they want their states votes to count, they better get them settled in time.
OF course, let's say there is an electoral vote. If no one get 50%+, then Congress decides. I don't know what happens if let's say a war holds up the vote. But like I said, they can call me for advice at that time.
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Gee, I don’t know how you know that, but mostly I don’t know why it would have any relevance to anything.
Obama pardoned the gay guy to show he's woke.
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Obama pardoned the gay guy to show he's woke.
Chelsea Manning is not gay. She is trans. Get with it, Alan. It is 2020.
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Chelsea Manning is not gay. She is trans. Get with it, Alan. It is 2020.
How come you know the difference? 8)
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How come you know the difference? 8)
I don't know. I just pick this stuff up when I am out in the world. Either that or it was a question on Jeopardy.
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All things considered, wouldn’t it be better to send tens of thousands of UN observers to ensure that the US elections are held normally?
- Trump has already officially announced he would not respect the outcome of the elections if he lost
- Considering his inability to face any truth not aligned with his rethorics (the recent interview where he keeps saying the the US has one of the lowest dearh rates of covid19 is mindboggling - akin to a 5 years old sticking to the opinion the 2+2=5) he will lie about whatever happens - we know this with 100% certainty
- he is trying to prevent millions of valid electors from voting
We are exactly in the circumstances where past critical elections were put under neutral control by UN observers.
Cheers,
Bernard
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let's say the Florida electors never showed up in Washington DC to vote,
Electors don't vote in Washington, DC. They meet and cast their votes in their respective state capitals and send the results to Congress. By law, the results are transmitted to Congress by registered mail.
as long as there are more than 50% of the total electors voting for the president, it wouldn;t go to the Congress to decide. Of course, Floridians would lose their vote. Their representation in the presidential election would be lost.
There is no such provision for just skipping a state. No state loses their electoral votes under any circumstance. Every state is required to transmit the vote of their electors. There is a provision for a state delay in choosing electors. "Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct."
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All things considered, wouldn’t it be better to send tens of thousands of UN observers to ensure that the US elections are held normally?
- Trump has already officially announced he would not respect the outcome of the elections if he lost
- Considering his inability to face any truth not aligned with his rethorics (the recent interview where he keeps saying the the US has one of the lowest dearh rates of covid19 is mindboggling - akin to a 5 years old sticking to the opinion the 2+2=5) he will lie about whatever happens - we know this with 100% certainty
- he is trying to prevent millions of valid electors from voting
We are exactly in the circumstances where past critical elections were put under neutral control by UN observers.
Cheers,
Bernard
Yesterday at a rally in Wisconsin Trump said...
"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”
“The only way they’re going to win is that way. And we can’t let that happen.”
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I don't know what happens if let's say a war holds up the vote. But like I said, they can call me for advice at that time.
The constitution is perfectly clear. The prez and VP officially leave office at noon on Jan 20th. If a new prez/VP have not been elected -- either the incumbent or the challenger -- they still have to leave office and they no longer have any authority over squat. So guess what--the speaker becomes president. AKA Pelosi. Wouldn't that be a great thumb-in-the-eye for the Orange Oaf??!!
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Electors don't vote in Washington, DC. They meet and cast their votes in their respective state capitals and send the results to Congress. By law, the results are transmitted to Congress by registered mail.
There is no such provision for just skipping a state. No state loses their electoral votes under any circumstance. Every state is required to transmit the vote of their electors. There is a provision for a state delay in choosing electors. "Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct."
Thanks for clarifying they vote by mail. But that doesn't change my point. If the Electors fail to get their vote to Washington in time, their vote is lost. It Florida had not straightened out the chad mess, and didn't decide their electors in time to mail their state's presidential selection to Washington, Florida would not have been included in the electoral vote for president. Floridians who voted would have been disenfranchised. So the Supreme Court told Florida's government and their courts to get off their butts, make a decision who won their state, and send their electoral selection to Washington without delay.
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Yesterday at a rally in Wisconsin Trump said...
"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”
“The only way they’re going to win is that way. And we can’t let that happen.”
What's wrong with that? He's calling for honest elections and that the government should do everything to insure we have them.
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Thanks for clarifying they vote by mail. But that doesn't change my point. If the Electors fail to get their vote to Washington in time, their vote is lost. It Florida had not straightened out the chad mess, and didn't decide their electors in time to mail their state's presidential selection to Washington, Florida would not have been included in the electoral vote for president. Floridians who voted would have been disenfranchised. So the Supreme Court told Florida's government and their courts to get off their butts, make a decision who won their state, and send their electoral selection to Washington without delay.
That is completely wrong.
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The constitution is perfectly clear. The prez and VP officially leave office at noon on Jan 20th. If a new prez/VP have not been elected -- either the incumbent or the challenger -- they still have to leave office and they no longer have any authority over squat. So guess what--the speaker becomes president. AKA Pelosi. ...
So, even if everyone knows who the new president is, because the electors never got the mail to Washington to vote for the person who won the electoral vote, the Speaker takes over??
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That is completely wrong.
How?
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Electors don't vote in Washington, DC. They meet and cast their votes in their respective state capitals and send the results to Congress. By law, the results are transmitted to Congress by registered mail.
There is no such provision for just skipping a state. No state loses their electoral votes under any circumstance. Every state is required to transmit the vote of their electors. There is a provision for a state delay in choosing electors. "Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct."
Incorrect. In a case for example where the results of a States election count is in dispute and the Govenor submits a slate of electors for one party and the Congress of that state votes to send a different slate of electors for the other candidate, it could transpire that both sets of disputed electors cancel each other out and the States EC votes will not be counted. Its a long shot to be sure it it is well within the possible outcomes.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
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What's wrong with that? He's calling for honest elections and that the government should do everything to insure we have them.
The way he is calling for "honest elections" is the problem. Really he is calling for his own victory at all costs and nothing else. According to this, if he doesn't win then by default it was not an honest election. Even if it was. Would you have been ok with Obama saying that? Implying that if he did not win and get reelected then the election is invalid? That's what third world dictators do. Even as someone who supported Obama I would have been taken aback at such an undemocratic statement from a sitting president.
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The constitution is perfectly clear. The prez and VP officially leave office at noon on Jan 20th. If a new prez/VP have not been elected -- either the incumbent or the challenger -- they still have to leave office and they no longer have any authority over squat. So guess what--the speaker becomes president. AKA Pelosi. Wouldn't that be a great thumb-in-the-eye for the Orange Oaf??!!
Pelosi's term expires on Jan 3 and if she is not re-elected or voted in as Speaker she would not be President.
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Incorrect. In a case for example where the results of a States election count is in dispute and the Govenor submits a slate of electors for one party and the Congress of that state votes to send a different slate of electors for the other candidate, it could transpire that both sets of disputed electors cancel each other out and the States EC votes will not be counted. Its a long shot to be sure it it is well within the possible outcomes.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
3 USC §5 Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors
If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.
3 USC §15. Counting electoral votes in Congress
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
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How?
The how your statement is wrong is because you're just winging it rather than checking what the law actually says.
For the why see above or read thru Title 3 United States Code.
https://uscode.house.gov/Title 3 (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?hl=false&edition=prelim&path=&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title3-section1&fq=&num=0&saved=%7CZ3JhbnVsZWlkOlVTQy1wcmVsaW0tdGl0bGUzLXNlY3Rpb24xOQ%3D%3D%7C%7C%7C0%7Cfalse%7Cprelim)
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3 USC §5 Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors
If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.
3 USC §15. Counting electoral votes in Congress
Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o'clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
You didn’t read the link I provided did you?
Wanna try again?
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All things considered, wouldn’t it be better to send tens of thousands of UN observers to ensure that the US elections are held normally?
- Trump has already officially announced he would not respect the outcome of the elections if he lost
- Considering his inability to face any truth not aligned with his rethorics (the recent interview where he keeps saying the the US has one of the lowest dearh rates of covid19 is mindboggling - akin to a 5 years old sticking to the opinion the 2+2=5) he will lie about whatever happens - we know this with 100% certainty
- he is trying to prevent millions of valid electors from voting
We are exactly in the circumstances where past critical elections were put under neutral control by UN observers.
Cheers,
Bernard
Who would think the all might USA would be better served with UN observers during the voting process. Isn't this relegated to nations which are ruled by corrupt leaders...oh wait...
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You didn’t read the link I provided did you?
Wanna try again?
I did. But I'll go with the actual federal law.
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I did. But I'll go with the actual federal law.
Of course you assume the law as written is upheld. And that of course is the entire point of the article. Given the current political climate there exists the possibility the law gets challenged. In case you missed it, courts exist to deal with challenges to law.
Your pals the Dems have already “war gamed” this election. I surely don’t think the law as written is going to stand in the way of actions from either party after the “votes” have been counted. It’s not impossible for the EC votes of a State to be discarded. I guess that would be a “circumstance”.
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Who would think the all might USA would be better served with UN observers during the voting process. Isn't this relegated to nations which are ruled by corrupt leaders...oh wait...
Yea that’s gonna fly in the USA...
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It’s not impossible for the EC votes of a State to be discarded.
3 USC §3 "The number of electors shall be equal to the number of Senators and Representatives to which the several States are by law entitled"
Currently, that means that the number of electors shall be 538. 3 USC §15 provides a mechanism to insure that number and that all states are represented in the election of the President as provided for in the Constitution.
You actually believe that it is legal and constitutional for the electoral "votes of a State to be discarded"? Well, anything can be argued or questioned. There are plenty of flat earth debates on YouTube.
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3 USC §3 "The number of electors shall be equal to the number of Senators and Representatives to which the several States are by law entitled"
Currently, that means that the number of electors shall be 538. 3 USC §15 provides a mechanism to insure that number and that all states are represented in the election of the President as provided for in the Constitution.
You actually believe that it is legal and constitutional for the electoral "votes of a State to be discarded"? Well, anything can be argued or questioned. There are plenty of flat earth debates on YouTube.
Dude you screwed up. Just deal with it. You said “under no circumstance”. I gave you one, long shot that it is. What’s the old saying. Laws are made to be broken. “ Legal” will be what some Judge or Judges say it is on any given day. USC be damned.
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Yea that’s gonna fly in the USA...
Might not fly...but maybe it should. The mighty democracy becoming corrupt right before our eyes.
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Dude you screwed up. Just deal with it. You said “under no circumstance”. I gave you one, long shot that it is. What’s the old saying. Laws are made to be broken. “ Legal” will be what some Judge or Judges say it is on any given day. USC be damned.
Given that the US Constitution provides for the novel Presidential election system that we have in order to insure that each individual State has their State's interests represented in selecting a President; good luck making your case.
It's very likely that a case such as that would be dismissed by the Court as non-justiciable based on the political question doctrine and separation of powers and send it back to Congress to decide for themselves.
You can believe whatever you choose. I think I'll just watch a flat earth debate on YouTube for fun instead.
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Given that the US Constitution provides for the novel Presidential election system that we have in order to insure that each individual State has their State's interests represented in selecting a President; good luck making your case.
It's very likely that a case such as that would be dismissed by the Court as non-justiciable based on the political question doctrine and separation of powers and send it back to Congress to decide for themselves.
You can believe whatever you choose. I think I'll just watch a flat earth debate on YouTube for fun instead.
I see your gums are flapping but nothing that helps you is coming out...
You too can believe the case would be dismissed, but this is America, and laws are changed that no one would ever believe possible. Who would have imagined the 9th overturning the Calif. 10 round magazine ban.
Enjoy your video. You might learn something...
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I see your gums are flapping but nothing that helps you is coming out...
I'm not in need of any help, but thanks. Have a good evening.
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The way he is calling for "honest elections" is the problem. Really he is calling for his own victory at all costs and nothing else. According to this, if he doesn't win then by default it was not an honest election. Even if it was. Would you have been ok with Obama saying that? Implying that if he did not win and get reelected then the election is invalid? That's what third world dictators do. Even as someone who supported Obama I would have been taken aback at such an undemocratic statement from a sitting president.
Oh puleese. Trump isn't a dictator. You've bought into the political hyperbole from his enemies. The fact is it was Hillary Clinton who said the election was not fair, who tried to change Trump's elector's votes, and was a general nuisance after the election blaming everyone for her loss. She's still complaining she wuz robbed. :)
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The how your statement is wrong is because you're just winging it rather than checking what the law actually says.
For the why see above or read thru Title 3 United States Code.
https://uscode.house.gov/Title 3 (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?hl=false&edition=prelim&path=&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title3-section1&fq=&num=0&saved=%7CZ3JhbnVsZWlkOlVTQy1wcmVsaW0tdGl0bGUzLXNlY3Rpb24xOQ%3D%3D%7C%7C%7C0%7Cfalse%7Cprelim)
I'll take your word for it. But my offer is still open if they want me to pick the winner for them.
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Oh puleese. Trump isn't a dictator. You've bought into the political hyperbole from his enemies. The fact is it was Hillary Clinton who said the election was not fair, who tried to change Trump's elector's votes, and was a general nuisance after the election blaming everyone for her loss. She's still complaining she wuz robbed. :)
No he's just acting like one.
Ok yeah, it's Hillary's fault. All your compelling evidence has changed my mind.
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Who would think the all might USA would be better served with UN observers during the voting process. Isn't this relegated to nations which are ruled by corrupt leaders...oh wait...
Each of the 50 states run their elections. Local officials run and monitor the voting locations with State oversight. The Federal government is not involved, It has no authority to assign UN observers even if it wanted too. The states would challenge the Feds if they tried. Of course who knows what the Supreme Court would do. They're so feckless and haven't read the Constitution since Government 101.
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Might not fly...but maybe it should. The mighty democracy becoming corrupt right before our eyes.
The States run the elections. If they're corrupt like what happened here in New Jersey a few weeks ago with the phony mail-in ballots, it's on the state, not the Federal government. Voting is managed by the states. They count the votes not Trump.
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No he's just acting like one.
Ok yeah, it's Hillary's fault. All your compelling evidence has changed my mind.
That makes one. The first time I ever changed anyone's mind in the forums. :)
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Tell that to Senator Burr (R-NC) and chair of the committee that issued the report. Don't recklessly post answers that you know nothing about.
Some of the Senators gave a presser after issuing this, and one stated it was proven there was no collusion. It's over!
The only thing we need to worry about right now insofar as collusion is whether Biden is working with China? I mean we know his son is working with China and got a free ride there on Air Force 2. But is Joe? Intelligence suggests China is working harder to get Biden elected then anything Russia did.
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So there are people who would switch their vote from Biden to Trump if Trump pardoned Snowden? That must be quite the fan club.
No, but there are Bernie Bros who would just stay home.
I think Biden has the other problem though, moderates staying home. After people start seeing his policies, he is going to be hard to sell.
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All things considered, wouldn’t it be better to send tens of thousands of UN observers to ensure that the US elections are held normally?
- Trump has already officially announced he would not respect the outcome of the elections if he lost
- Considering his inability to face any truth not aligned with his rethorics (the recent interview where he keeps saying the the US has one of the lowest dearh rates of covid19 is mindboggling - akin to a 5 years old sticking to the opinion the 2+2=5) he will lie about whatever happens - we know this with 100% certainty
- he is trying to prevent millions of valid electors from voting
We are exactly in the circumstances where past critical elections were put under neutral control by UN observers.
Cheers,
Bernard
The irony of this post is amazing.
Bernard, you do realize that in the last weeks, the Democratic left were arguing that 2+2=5, because they could just change the deffinition of the elements.
Woke Twitter users argue that "2+2=5" with no hint of irony at all (https://thepostmillennial.com/two-plus-two-does-not-equal-five-no-matter-what-twitter-says)
Anyway, no he did not say he would not respect the election results. And no, he is not trying to prevent electors from voting. (BTW, do you know what an elector is in USA politics? It is not a citizen.)
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No, but there are Bernie Bros who would just stay home.
I think Biden has the other problem though, moderates staying home. After people start seeing his policies, he is going to be hard to sell.
It why Democrats want to send ballots to everyone on all list.s. Unfortunately that means dead people would get a ballot and more than one ballot for every American who has ever moved and is listed on different voting lists where they lived. It will make up for the lack of interests in Biden and Harris.
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It why Democrats want to send ballots to everyone on all list.s. Unfortunately that means dead people would get a ballot and more than one ballot for every American who has ever moved and is listed on different voting lists where they lived. It will make up for the lack of interests in Biden and Harris.
And in that scenario you believe that Democrats would cheat more than Republicans, and therefore steal the election. Do you have any evidence to support the premise that the Democrats would cheat more than the Republicans?
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And in that scenario you believe that Democrats would cheat more than Republicans, and therefore steal the election. Do you have any evidence to support the premise that the Democrats would cheat more than the Republicans?
I've already said it once, but not 1000 times, that both sides are playing politics. The Democrats want to make up for the lack of interest in their candidate by letting people vote from home who have no interest in going to the polling place to vote in person. And the Republicans find that a disadvantage to their side.
From a practical side leaving aside politics, sending ballots out willy nilly is going to create huge confusion, illegal double voting, and lawsuits ten times worse than what happened in Florida in the 2000 presidential election. That's not the way to run an election. No one, including Trump, is opposed to voters requesting a mail-in ballot that would be mailed to the voter's current address. That would stop the illegal double voting and open ballots being mailed to millions of dead people whose names are still on government voting lists.
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Bernard, you do realize that in the last weeks, the Democratic left were arguing that 2+2=5, because they could just change the deffinition of the elements.
I may be out to lunch here, but I thought 2+2=5 was a metaphor not a math equation, that is until the mathematicians, who can never pass up a challenge, got involved.
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Do people think that statements like this from Trump are ok, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report)?
Is it really ok for the President to call for the boycott of a company's products because they don't want political clothing at their place of work? Is this a valid use of Presidential power? Isn't this what we used to think only happened in banana republics?
Aren't you Trump supporters just a little embarrassed about this? I mean, just a little?
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Do people think that statements like this from Trump are ok, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report)?
Is it really ok for the President to call for the boycott of a company's products because they don't want political clothing at their place of work? Is this a valid use of Presidential power? Isn't this what we used to think only happened in banana republics?
Aren't you Trump supporters just a little embarrassed about this? I mean, just a little?
He's pushing back against the left's call to ban corporations who don't follow the left's demands. No one else is doing that except him. It's a political statement that makes me squirm because I'm not use to politicians on the right doing that. But politicians on the left do it all the time and they have created a vacuum that Trump is filling to the delight of his supporters. Meanwhile Biden hides in his basement afraid to say anything because it might show him suffering from senility.
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Do people think that statements like this from Trump are ok, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512690-trump-urges-boycott-of-goodyear-tires-after-maga-attire-report)?
Is it really ok for the President to call for the boycott of a company's products because they don't want political clothing at their place of work? Is this a valid use of Presidential power? Isn't this what we used to think only happened in banana republics?
Aren't you Trump supporters just a little embarrassed about this? I mean, just a little?
Sure, and I am also embarrassed when Democratic politicians do the same, and they have been doing so for years. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and if Dems insist on continuing this tactic, you should not be surprised when conservatives catch on.
Not to mention if a company wants to get political, which Goodyear did, they better be ready for the reaction. It's not like it is not obvious what would happen; NBA ratings are down 26%.
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They banned all political garb, not just MAGA regalia.
Based on what we read here, that's a darn good idea.
Only the Trump Organization would seek to politicize the depoliticizing of the workplace.
They do permit non-political human rights and social values affiliated clothing.
A local NBC News affiliate in Topeka, Kan., reported Tuesday on a slide purportedly shown at a Goodyear diversity training that listed “Black Lives Matter,” “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender pride” under “acceptable” while branding “Blue Lives Matter,” “All Lives Matter,” “MAGA attire,” and “politically-affiliated slogans or material” under “unacceptable.”
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Sure, and I am also embarrassed ...
I thought you had a life and were too busy to post here?
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They banned all political garb, not just MAGA regalia.
Based on what we read here, that's a darn good idea.
Only the Trump Organization would seek to politicize the depoliticizing of the workplace.
They do permit non-political human rights and social values affiliated clothing.
A local NBC News affiliate in Topeka, Kan., reported Tuesday on a slide purportedly shown at a Goodyear diversity training that listed “Black Lives Matter,” “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender pride” under “acceptable” while branding “Blue Lives Matter,” “All Lives Matter,” “MAGA attire,” and “politically-affiliated slogans or material” under “unacceptable.”
The issue is BLM is a political organization, not to mention a trademarked slogan so any piece of clothing will provide funds to the organization, fighting to take down capitalism, replace it with socialism, and destroy the nuclear family (its on their website). To approve that but not allow support for other political organizations is not being unpolitical.
If you want to argue well we should be able to seperate the slogan "Black Lives Matter" from the organization since it an obvious statement, then we should also be able to separate "Make America Great Again" from Trump since it too is an obvious statement.
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I thought you had a life and were too busy to post here?
That was yesterday when it was nice and I was shooting a project. Today it is raining and I am researching locations for movie backdrops.
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Not to mention if a company wants to get political, which Goodyear did, they better be ready for the reaction. It's not like it is not obvious what would happen; NBA ratings are down 26%.
I acknowledge that sometimes I am slow on the uptake, but what have Goodyear and the NBA got to do with each other?
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The issue is BLM is a political organization, not to mention a trademarked slogan so any piece of clothing will provide funds to the organization,
Is that true? This article suggests not ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-24/-black-lives-matter-trademark-applications-surge-after-protests
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I acknowledge that sometimes I am slow on the uptake, but what have Goodyear and the NBA got to do with each other?
NBA became highly political in the last year, and it is seeing the viewership drop because of it, even after months of pent up demand for sports.
Similar thing happened during the Kap controversy, viewership for the NFL went down, however not as much since the NFL (at the time) was not supporting it. Viewership increased after Kap was ousted. More then likely viewership for the NFL will drop too since they have given into being highly political.
Goodyear is making the same mistake, supporting woke politics while banning the opposite politics. It will cost them; they should either ban everything (including BLM), or nothing at all.
Like I said, if a company wants to be highly political, they should not be surprised if there is backlash. This whole mentality on the left that if you are silent then you are supporting what we are against has goaded a lot of companies into being woke to save their bottom line (not because they actually support it). Instead they will see huge backlash from the opposite side and Americans who just want to be able to watch a ball game, or buy a product, without seeing something political. It's a bad business move.
As they say, "republicans buy sneakers too." Even Elvis knew this was the case. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT_O5fK1Zoo)
Now this is not to say I am against a company playing to one side, like Black Riffle Coffee. They do very well selling to conservatives and portray themselves as an alternate for certain woke brands. They have no market share to lose since they never went after everyone. A company like Goodyear does go after everyone, so either they are okay with losing market share or will need to own up to this and alter course, which could be an even worse decision.
By the way, I drink Starbucks; Illy occasionally but it is too expensive to buy regularly even though it is amazing coffee.
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Is that true? This article suggests not ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-24/-black-lives-matter-trademark-applications-surge-after-protests
I read it in another source, but none the less, it is the name of a highly political organization that heavily relays on semantic overload for support.
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They banned all political garb, not just MAGA regalia.
Based on what we read here, that's a darn good idea.
Only the Trump Organization would seek to politicize the depoliticizing of the workplace.
They do permit non-political human rights and social values affiliated clothing.
A local NBC News affiliate in Topeka, Kan., reported Tuesday on a slide purportedly shown at a Goodyear diversity training that listed “Black Lives Matter,” “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender pride” under “acceptable” while branding “Blue Lives Matter,” “All Lives Matter,” “MAGA attire,” and “politically-affiliated slogans or material” under “unacceptable.”
You disproved your first statement in the same post. Social values are in the eye of the beholder. They are politicized views, especially in today's climate in America.
If a corporation approves a value it thinks important, then it's taking sides. The other side's view of a social value is just as valuable to them. Once you start going down that path, then where do you stop? What Goodyear is doing with your example is deciding who's views are correct. That's the left imposing their standards on society like 1984. In early America, they'd put you in stocks in the town's public center, maybe whip you, to embarrass you until you make amends and change your ways. In the Soviet Union, they sent you to Gulags and had show trials where you had to admit your failings.
Corporations should stay out of taking sides and let the free market of speech be the defenders of truth but in the public square, not in their corporations. They should stick to doing business legally and let the rest of the community deal with social norms.
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I read it in another source, but none the less, it is the name of a highly political organization that heavily relays on semantic overload for support.
Well it'd be a strange turnaround if the "trained Marxists" (whatever that means) were relying on T-shirt sales, whereas on the streets of Portland, Donald Trump is proving the truth of Mao's dictum that "politocal power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
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You disproved your first statement in the same post.
Please show me how.
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Corporations should stay out of taking sides
So you disagree with corporations pressing their employees to contribute to PACs which then fund specific candidates?
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I don't watch NBA games so I wouldn't have a clue what they are up to. I also don't watch NFL games and if "Kap" refers to Kaepernick, I am generally familiar with that. I know that Trump likes to grouse about that a lot. I know Goodyear makes tires but to my knowledge have never owned any. Really, who cares if Goodyear like BLM and not Trump.
I don't know why corporations can't be political. The Supreme Court said they are persons and can contribute obscene amounts of money to political campaigns.
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Maybe they are banning political clothing because too many fist fights have broken out on the factory floor.
Or maybe the KKK hoods kept getting caught in machines.
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And in that scenario you believe that Democrats would cheat more than Republicans, and therefore steal the election. Do you have any evidence to support the premise that the Democrats would cheat more than the Republicans?
Here's the evidence.
In my Democrat favored and controlled state of New Jersey, they Democrat Governor is going to send out ballots willy nilly. Here's an interest tidbit from the article. Apparently we have a very lively and civic dead population. Who knew?
"Clark links to a 2016 investigation by the New Jersey outlet Asbury Park Press that found 2,460 voters on the rolls who had been dead for at least five years, nearly 60 of whom had apparently cast votes after they died."
https://www.app.com/story/news/investigations/data/2016/10/19/dead-voters-in-new-jersey/92366510/
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So you disagree with corporations pressing their employees to contribute to PACs which then fund specific candidates?
Yes I disagree. Of course unions do something similar thing when they support politicians when many members of the union may not. Actually its worse because public service unions especially are supporting the very politicians that they'll negotiate their member's salaries and benefits with. Which is why government pensions are going broke. Not that I'm complaining because me and my wife gets them. :)
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I don't watch NBA games so I wouldn't have a clue what they are up to. I also don't watch NFL games and if "Kap" refers to Kaepernick, I am generally familiar with that. I know that Trump likes to grouse about that a lot. I know Goodyear makes tires but to my knowledge have never owned any. Really, who cares if Goodyear like BLM and not Trump.
I don't know why corporations can't be political. The Supreme Court said they are persons and can contribute obscene amounts of money to political campaigns.
Just in.
"Goodyear tumbles 6% after Trump tweets to boycott the company over MAGA hat ban"
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goodyear-stock-price-president-trump-tweets-boycott-maga-ban-tire-2020-8-1029518025?utm_campaign=browser_notification&utm_source=desktop
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Trump is playing a shrewd game. What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril. Two can play that game.
Better you take no position at all then do what Goodyear and Twitter are doing. Either allow both sides or no sides.
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He's pushing back against the left's call to ban corporations who don't follow the left's demands.
Give us some examples of that.
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The issue is BLM is a political organization, not to mention a trademarked slogan so any piece of clothing will provide funds to the organization, fighting to take down capitalism, replace it with socialism, and destroy the nuclear family (its on their website). To approve that but not allow support for other political organizations is not being unpolitical.
If you want to argue well we should be able to seperate the slogan "Black Lives Matter" from the organization since it an obvious statement, then we should also be able to separate "Make America Great Again" from Trump since it too is an obvious statement.
I think there's a difference between supporting or not supporting political movements, and shilling for a party or candidate that's standing for election.
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Trump is playing a shrewd game. What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril. Two can play that game.
Better you take no position at all then do what Goodyear and Twitter are doing. Either allow both sides or no sides.
What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?
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Sure, and I am also embarrassed when Democratic politicians do the same, and they have been doing so for years. .
I'd like to see some examples.
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Not to mention if a company wants to get political, which Goodyear did, they better be ready for the reaction.
They decided to NOT get political. To be more precise, they asked that their employees not display partisan swag at work, something that is a good idea, imo.
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Trump is playing a shrewd game. What he's telling corporations is that support my enemies and go against me at your peril.
So you think it's ok to use presidential power to harm a corporation that doesn't support him? Do you understand what a democracy is?
Should Trump jail registered Democrats then?
Should he call for a ban on all corporations that don't contribute money to his election?
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Or maybe the KKK hoods kept getting caught in machines.
That was a good one!
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Well it'd be a strange turnaround if the "trained Marxists" (whatever that means) were relying on T-shirt sales, whereas on the streets of Portland, Donald Trump is proving the truth of Mao's dictum that "politocal power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
Annnnnnnd no.
The violence in Portland had been going on for 50+ days before Trump sent in federal troops to protect the court house from being burned down. BTW, what was the federal government suppose to, let it burn down or just take all federal services (courts, social security, etc) out of Portland? And now, after Trump pulled out those troops, the violence is still going. You really need to check your news.
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I don't watch NBA games so I wouldn't have a clue what they are up to. I also don't watch NFL games and if "Kap" refers to Kaepernick, I am generally familiar with that. I know that Trump likes to grouse about that a lot. I know Goodyear makes tires but to my knowledge have never owned any. Really, who cares if Goodyear like BLM and not Trump.
I don't know why corporations can't be political. The Supreme Court said they are persons and can contribute obscene amounts of money to political campaigns.
Yes, I was referring to him; I just did not feel like looking up how to spell his name.
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Give us some examples of that.
Chic-fil-La has been banned by many lefties in different areas including not being allowed to bid for spots in new airports, to give one example.
Chick-fil-A banned from second airport in two weeks (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chick+fil+a+banned+from+airport&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
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Chic-fil-La has been banned by many lefties in different areas including not being allowed to bid for spots in new airports, to give one example.
Chick-fil-A banned from second airport in two weeks (https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chick+fil+a+banned+from+airport&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
Banned because they discriminate against LGBTQ, not for their political affiliation (ie MAGA)
That type of discrimination is prohibited by federal law, is it not?
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Banned because they discriminate against LGBTQ, not for their political affiliation (ie MAGA)
That type of discrimination is prohibited by federal law, is it not?
No, they do not discriminate against LGBTQ+S (get it right next time! ;)), and are open to hire or serve anyone. I realized I provided the link for the google search, but in the article that shows up, they state this. So their ban has nothing to do with this. Try to at least be a little informed.
The problem the left has is they make donations to religious groups that the left does not agree with, like the Salvation Army.
But anyway, going over the highlights of the infomercial, and the gaslighting is amazing.
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Give us some examples of that.
Stop watching CNN only.
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What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?
A bit ironic -- anyone who seriously wants to make America "great again" will be voting for Biden.
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What do you mean both sides? Do they allow their employees to wear pro-Biden swag?
Twitter shut down Trump's comments only. Many corporations are playing politics to help their bottom line. They take the left's position on issues that Biden supports opposite to what Trump supports. So they oppose Trump. They shut down positions in their business that supports Trump's policies. It's all the same. Since Republicans don't play these games like Democrats do, Trump will. He's always been a fighter. Hit him. He hits back twice as hard. Exactly what we need in an American President. Not someone feckless like some past presidents.
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So you think it's ok to use presidential power to harm a corporation that doesn't support him? Do you understand what a democracy is?
Should Trump jail registered Democrats then?
Should he call for a ban on all corporations that don't contribute money to his election?
If a corporation or individual gets political and supports one side or the other, they are opening themselves to political attacks in return. That's fair game. It's no different than what we do here. If you don't want to be politically attacked, don't post. Go shoot pictures. Corporations should do the same. Regarding jail or demanding money would not be acceptable. But Trump never did those things. You're creating false charges to smear him.
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Annnnnnnd no.
The violence in Portland had been going on for 50+ days before Trump sent in federal troops to protect the court house from being burned down. BTW, what was the federal government suppose to, let it burn down or just take all federal services (courts, social security, etc) out of Portland? And now, after Trump pulled out those troops, the violence is still going. You really need to check your news.
Aaaand maybe better to reply to what I actually wrote, and not to some random collection of letters you just made up.
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If a corporation or individual gets political and supports one side or the other, they are opening themselves to political attacks in return. That's fair game. It's no different than what we do here. If you don't want to be politically attacked, don't post. Go shoot pictures. Corporations should do the same. Regarding jail or demanding money would not be acceptable. But Trump never did those things. You're creating false charges to smear him.
No need to create false charges - he's used his presidency to damage a company solely becasue of his perception that they don't support him. The effect would be the same if he instituted a tax for non-Trump-supporting companies.
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No need to create false charges - he's used his presidency to damage a company solely becasue of his perception that they don't support him. The effect would be the same if he instituted a tax for non-Trump-supporting companies.
Obama gave millions to General Motors to bail them out in the 2008 economic crisis. It was the only way to protect the automobile workers union pension plan that was going broke. It was a payoff to the unions for supporting Obama in the 2008 election. If they didn't support him, he would have punished them and given them nothing. How is that different?
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Obama punished the oil and coal industries who supported republicans and gave millions to green industries that supported him.
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Obama punished the oil and coal industries who supported republicans and gave millions to green industries that supported him.
Obama just is progressive : he understands burning earth resources is not the way to go ahead. You should understand that too?
Otherwise we would still be in the stone age.
What is the argument against clean energy? That you are not ready for it? Europe is.
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Obama gave millions to General Motors to bail them out in the 2008 economic crisis. It was the only way to protect the automobile workers union pension plan that was going broke. It was a payoff to the unions for supporting Obama in the 2008 election. If they didn't support him, he would have punished them and given them nothing. How is that different?
Obama punished the oil and coal industries who supported republicans and gave millions to green industries that supported him.
Is that really what you believe motivated Obama as a person and a politician? A desire to reward and punish people? You believe that's how his personality and mind are wired?
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Here is an example of a bold, courageous action:
U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday accused Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co (GT.O) of “playing politics” by forbidding workers from wearing hats supporting him, and said he would swap out the Goodyear tires on his limousine if there were an alternative.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-goodyear-trump-boycott/trump-says-not-happy-with-goodyear-would-swap-tires-on-presidential-limo-idUSKCN25F2TQ?il=0
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The irony of this post is amazing.
Bernard, you do realize that in the last weeks, the Democratic left were arguing that 2+2=5, because they could just change the deffinition of the elements.
Woke Twitter users argue that "2+2=5" with no hint of irony at all (https://thepostmillennial.com/two-plus-two-does-not-equal-five-no-matter-what-twitter-says)
Anyway, no he did not say he would not respect the election results. And no, he is not trying to prevent electors from voting. (BTW, do you know what an elector is in USA politics? It is not a citizen.)
How about answering to the point instead of once again avoiding responsibility by blaming somebody else?
Did Trump lie or not time and again about undeniable facts regarding the pandemic even when presented with true objective data?
What does that tell you about his behaviour when presented with election results showing he lost?
Let me help you here: he will either say that he won even if he lost OR that he lost because the elections were rigged.
We know with 100% certainty based on the past 3 years that the elections won’t have to have been rigged for him to say they were. He is going to lie about that too. Not to mention the facts that he is already trying to rig them himself by preventing millions of valid voters from casting a vote through mail,notwithstanding the fact that this is perfectly legal in the US to vote through mail.
So tell me, how does that differ from a third world country dictator and how is this not the end of democracy in the US?
And, bonus question, how do you feel about your own responsibility in supporting this process?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump has good words to say about QAnon, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512821-trump-praises-qanon-supporters-they-love-our-country (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/512821-trump-praises-qanon-supporters-they-love-our-country). He states that he doesn't know much about them but that he's heard of them.
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Obama gave millions to General Motors to bail them out in the 2008 economic crisis. It was the only way to protect the automobile workers union pension plan that was going broke. It was a payoff to the unions for supporting Obama in the 2008 election. If they didn't support him, he would have punished them and given them nothing. How is that different?
It's dfifferent because it didn't actually happen. You have invented a motivation that didn't exist except in your paranoid imagination.
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Is that really what you believe motivated Obama as a person and a politician? A desire to reward and punish people? You believe that's how his personality and mind are wired?
Politicians reward supporters and punish their enemies. That's why many people support their parties and their candidates. They're looking for jobs. If Washington changes hands in January, all the Republican appointed people get fired and the new Democrat president would appoint his friends and supporters. "A new broom sweeps clean." That's how it works.
When Obama took over, he arranged for around $800 million to go to a green energy company that contributed to his campaign in addition to the billions he sent to the auto workers union pension fund for their support. He claimed the reason he did it was because these industries are so important to the country. It had nothing to do with contributions he got. Sure. On the other hand, Obama cancelled oil and gas company's pipelines and exploration rights. Trump reversed the situation when he became president supporting the oil and gas companies and pulling us out of Paris accord. Of course, oil and gas supported his campaign. Both Obama and Trump had philosophical beliefs that gained them support and campaign contributions from certain industries who were then rewarded or punished by the president who came into power. That's how politics works. If Kodak and Fujifilm support my campaign, I promise to keep film coming for years.
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It's dfifferent because it didn't actually happen. You have invented a motivation that didn't exist except in your paranoid imagination.
You should know better by now to call me on something I said as being untruthful much less paranoid.
Obama gave $57 billion to the auto industry. Part of those funds bailed out the auto workers pension fund that was going broke. Here's an article showing the support Obama got from the union while he was senator and the debt he owed them.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/20/obama-recalls-uaw-presidents-early-political-support/79079380/
Here's how the UAW (United Auto Workers) were rewarded at the expense of the bondholders who were punished by Obama and left out to dry. Obama bragged about it.
"As part of the deal, the U.S. government purchased a majority of shares for each of the companies, and UAW received four times as much equity in General Motors per dollar of debt owed to it than secured bondholders received, which many experts have said is the exact opposite of what usually occurs during standard bankruptcy proceedings."
While the auto industry unions received significant financial support, many private stockholders lost their entire investment.
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/obama-brags-to-union-workers-about-bailout-of-big-auto
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Politicians reward supporters and punish their enemies. That's why many people support their parties and their candidates. They're looking for jobs. If Washington changes hands in January, all the Republican appointed people get fired and the new Democrat president would appoint his friends and supporters. "A new broom sweeps clean." That's how it works.
No, that's how it works in banana republics run by criminal gangs.
I think there's a pretty big difference between political appointees in government departments and what happened at Goodyear Tire the other day. Do you think that corporations are just another government department, then? Because that's a bit at odds with your normal point of view.
You don't want or like democracy, do you. You just want your boy to win and trash the people who vote against him. Sounds a bit Soviet to me.
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You should know better by now to call me on something I said as being untruthful much less paranoid.
Obama gave $57 billion to the auto industry. Part of those funds bailed out the auto workers pension fund that was going broke. Here's an article showing the support Obama got from the union while he was senator and the debt he owed them.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/01/20/obama-recalls-uaw-presidents-early-political-support/79079380/
Here's how the UAW (United Auto Workers) were rewarded at the expense of the bondholders who were punished by Obama and left out to dry. Obama bragged about it.
"As part of the deal, the U.S. government purchased a majority of shares for each of the companies, and UAW received four times as much equity in General Motors per dollar of debt owed to it than secured bondholders received, which many experts have said is the exact opposite of what usually occurs during standard bankruptcy proceedings."
While the auto industry unions received significant financial support, many private stockholders lost their entire investment.
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/obama-brags-to-union-workers-about-bailout-of-big-auto
Governments of the day often get directly involved in industry sectors. The government bailed out some banks in 2008 for instance. History will judge if those actions were good for the country or not or if it was money well spent. That's not what happened at Goodyear. Not at all. Not even close.
Whose tires will he buy?
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I'm wondering if Goodyear has any basis for a lawsuit against Trump.
What I guess might happen is that any corporation who thinks that their internal policies are none of the government's business will make healthy election contributions to the other party. The private sector should have some objections about Trump trying to force them to help with his campaign.
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No, that's how it works in banana republics run by criminal gangs.
I think there's a pretty big difference between political appointees in government departments and what happened at Goodyear Tire the other day. Do you think that corporations are just another government department, then? Because that's a bit at odds with your normal point of view.
You don't want or like democracy, do you. You just want your boy to win and trash the people who vote against him. Sounds a bit Soviet to me.
Do you think it's fair that Obama went after all the workers in the coal companies for political reasons so he would get the support of the greenies? Oh sure. You'll argue that Obama is doing it because he supports a clean environment. Well, Trump claims he supports free speech. If Goodyear is allowing one side of the argument, they should allow all sides. After all shouldn't all workers be entitled to free speech to make their views known, Or none at all? Why is the corporation punishing those who views they disagree with?
So both presidents have "valid" reasons to complain. By the way, let's not call it Soviet. When a politician makes a political point, that's fair and free speech and legal. They're not sending anyone to a Gulag or jail. Of course financial punishment comes with the turf. It's why corporations, unions and others contribute to campaigns and petition the government. Some win and some lose. That's how democracy works. If Biden wins, don't you expect he'll punish corporations and stockholders with higher taxes and more regulations? Is that Soviet?
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If Goodyear is allowing one side of the argument, they should allow all sides.
You keep repeating this. Does Goodyear allow their employees to promote Biden on company premises? Because I have not read anything in the reports that suggests this.
What do you mean by Goodyear allowing "one side" of the argument? What argument? What did they allow?
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I'm wondering if Goodyear has any basis for a lawsuit against Trump.
What I guess might happen is that any corporation who thinks that their internal policies are none of the government's business will make healthy election contributions to the other party. The private sector should have some objections about Trump trying to force them to help with his campaign.
Goodyear can't sue a president for political speech. Could the coal companies go after Obama for all the nasty things he said about them?
Corporations give money to both parties, if they're smart. You never know who will win and you want to be in a position where you can say you supported the winner.
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You keep repeating this. Does Goodyear allow their employees to promote Biden on company premises? Because I have not read anything in the reports that suggests this.
What do you mean by Goodyear allowing "one side" of the argument? What argument? What did they allow?
Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.
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Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.
My god, 170.000 people just died the last 5 months and this president make points about the amount of water coming from the shower and this goodyear crap...
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Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.
They've taken a position that outlaws specifically racist slogans. It's a shame (for America) that that position can be seen as "anti-Trump".
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My god, 170.000 people just died the last 5 months and this president make points about the amount of water coming from the shower and this goodyear crap...
I don't know anything about a shower. What's your point and what does it have to do with Covid?
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They've taken a position that outlaws specifically racist slogans. It's a shame (for America) that that position can be seen as "anti-Trump".
They also have taken an anti-police position. People can be against racism but still support cops.
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They also have taken an anti-police position. People can be against racism but still support cops.
In what way have they taken an anti-police position?
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In what way have they taken an anti-police position?
Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So you can't show support for police.
I read recently that 80% of black people support their police. They need them to protect their communities. You realize a person can be against cops who discriminate and act violently or inappropriately, a minority, and those that do a good job protecting the people they serve? Goodyear's policy won't allow their employees to say that. Why not? Don't you think we should support good cops and good policing?
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Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So you can't show support for police.
I read recently that 80% of black people support their police. They need them to protect their communities. You realize a person can be against cops who discriminate and act violently or inappropriately, a minority, and those that do a good job protecting the people they serve? Goodyear's policy won't allow their employees to say that. Why not? Don't you think we should support good cops and good policing?
Oh, I see - this phony argument again. The point of "black lives matter" is not that "other lives don't matter", it's that black people have been treated like their lives don't matter. If you now pop up and say "what about this life" or "what about that life" it is trivialisiing or devaluing what black people experience as a daily reality.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ-EZTBUcAAJok4.jpg)
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Oh, I see - this phony argument again. The point of "black lives matter" is not that "other lives don't matter", it's that black people have been treated like their lives don't matter. If you now pop up and say "what about this life" or "what about that life" it is trivialisiing or devaluing what black people experience as a daily reality.
Other people interpret things differently. Why does the left always want to silence political and social views they don't agree with?
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Other people interpret things differently. Why does the left always want to silence political and social views they don't agree with?
Seems to me that it's "the right" who are trying to do the silencing, with knees and guns and phony arguments.
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I don't know anything about a shower. What's your point and what does it have to do with Covid?
So you haver missed Trump sniveling about low-flow shower heads?
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Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.
If you bothered to look into this, this "banning" of MAGA hats seems to be mostly made up. There was ONE slide presented at ONE diversity training session at ONE Goodyear plant. No one knows where the slide came from, it is not officially part of any Goodyear training, and the company disavows it. It's a non-issue.
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So you haver missed Trump sniveling about low-flow shower heads?
Not to mention the toilet flushes - I know he's full of it, but does he really need to flush "10-15 times"?
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"Only the best people..."
Four more Trumpers indicted for financial crimes, including former Trump right hand man and all-around slime ball Steve Bannon, and an "acting" head of something or another, (because so many of Trump's appointments can never pass Congressional muster.)
Story here. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/former-trump-advisor-steve-bannon-arrested-on-charges-of-defrauding-donors-in-fundraising-scheme.html)
This comes on the heels of yesterday's announcement that other notable Trumper slime ball Ken Cuccinelli and notable authoritarian enabler Chad Wolf have been determined to be placed in their positions illegally, which in turn comes on the heels of the revelation a day or two ago that the Republican-led Senate investigatory committee referred three Trumpy individuals to the DoJ for criminal prosecution for giving false testimony, which, of course, comes in the heels of said DoJ trying to wipe Flynn's confession/conviction for lying to the FBI from the record while at the same time trying to claim gross misconduct because a low level FBI official altered a footnote.
Wow.
I'd be proud, my Trumpy friends. It's been a stellar couple of days. Just can't wait to sign up for four more years of these criminals, huh? :o
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"Only the best people..."
Four more Trumpers indicted for financial crimes, including former Trump right hand man and all-around slime ball Steve Bannon, and an "acting" head of something or another, (because so many of Trump's appointments can never pass Congressional muster.)
Story here. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/former-trump-advisor-steve-bannon-arrested-on-charges-of-defrauding-donors-in-fundraising-scheme.html)
This comes on the heels of yesterday's announcement that other notable Trumper slime ball Ken Cuccinelli and notable authoritarian enabler Chad Wolf have been determined to be placed in their positions illegally, which in turn comes on the heels of the revelation a day or two ago that the Republican-led Senate investigatory committee referred three Trumpy individuals to the DoJ for criminal prosecution for giving false testimony, which, of course, comes in the heels of said DoJ trying to wipe Flynn's confession/conviction for lying to the FBI from the record while at the same time trying to claim gross misconduct because a low level FBI official altered a footnote.
Wow.
I'd be proud, my Trumpy friends. It's been a stellar couple of days. Just can't wait to sign up for four more years of these criminals, huh? :o
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So you haver missed Trump sniveling about low-flow shower heads?
I'm a sniveler about low flow shower heads too. Worse than that are 1 GPM toilet flushes. Don't get me started on those. :)
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If you bothered to look into this, this "banning" of MAGA hats seems to be mostly made up. There was ONE slide presented at ONE diversity training session at ONE Goodyear plant. No one knows where the slide came from, it is not officially part of any Goodyear training, and the company disavows it. It's a non-issue.
Glad to hear Goodyear straightened it out.
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If you bothered to look into this, this "banning" of MAGA hats seems to be mostly made up. There was ONE slide presented at ONE diversity training session at ONE Goodyear plant. No one knows where the slide came from, it is not officially part of any Goodyear training, and the company disavows it. It's a non-issue.
They should allow only one kind of political hats, and also they should appoint an inspector/monitor to make sure the employees comply with the new regulation.
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"Only the best people..."
Four more Trumpers indicted for financial crimes, including former Trump right hand man and all-around slime ball Steve Bannon, and an "acting" head of something or another, (because so many of Trump's appointments can never pass Congressional muster.)
Story here. (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/former-trump-advisor-steve-bannon-arrested-on-charges-of-defrauding-donors-in-fundraising-scheme.html)
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They should go to jail if true. But why the charges now so close to the election? The liberal and democrat NY courts have been trying to embarrass the president. So four guys conspire together and leave a written record trail of fraud? Bannon isn't a dummy. Could he be that dumb to steal charitable funds, have three witnesses and leave a paper trail? If so, he should go to jail just for stupidity.
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Other people interpret things differently. Why does the left always want to silence political and social views they don't agree with?
Straw man. Well, what else is new?
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Amazing! 45 is definitely setting records here. It's tremendous, terrific, and classy.
Has any other administration ever had even a fraction of the indictments his has? To quote the man himself, "Nobody has ever seen anything like this before.".
MAGA!
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Amazing! 45 is definitely setting records here. It's tremendous, terrific, and classy.
Has any other administration ever had even a fraction of the indictments his has? To quote the man himself, "Nobody has ever seen anything like this before.".
MAGA!
The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.
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The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.
I see - so nothing to do with Trump at all then. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Goodyear's policy allows sloganeering for Black Lives Matter but not Blue Lives Matter or All Lives Matter. So they've taken a political position supporting Biden's views but not Trumps during a presidential election. So Trump is making an issue of it.Trump is feeding into the anger on the right about Democrats controlled cities that are going after the police and supporting left wing organizations like BLM. He's reminding voters they have a choice about some big issues. The left would prefer the voters forget about democrat fecklessness and weakness in the face of riots and mayhem they allowed.
You've gone off on too many tangents for me. Is BLM running for election somewhere?
Why is pursuing diversity training anti-Trump? What ARE you talking about, I've lost track.
The President chose to perceive something going on at a company as a sleight against him and he opted to use the power of his office to try to punish them. And you're doubling down on Obama trying to sunset the coal industry as an equivalent? That ridiculous leap doesn't meet my minimum standard for rational conversation.
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The four aren't part of his administration. Bannon was fired three years ago. The other three never worked for Trump.
Right, I know he is a former admin official but even without Bannon he is setting records.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/20/17/32179698-8647401-How_it_was_marketed_This_was_the_GoFundMe_originally_set_up_to_p-a-63_1597939362987.jpg)
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So you haver missed Trump sniveling about low-flow shower heads?
I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.
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Bannon isn't a dummy. Could he be that dumb to steal charitable funds, have three witnesses and leave a paper trail? If so, he should go to jail just for stupidity.
Why not? Trump stole charitable funds from his foundation for personal business and political purposes. Should he go to jail in addition to the two million dollar fine that he paid and the forced shutdown of the charity?
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation)
https://www.google.com/www.washingtonpost.com/trump-misuse-of-charity-funds (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjTheO4xarrAhXLCTQIHTbfCywQIDAAegQIAhAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AcW38swYzL38J%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-paid-2-million-in-damages-ordered-by-judge-over-misuse-of-charity-funds-new-york-attorney-general-said%2F2019%2F12%2F10%2F2132645e-1b7e-11ea-b4c1-fd0d91b60d9e_story.html%2B%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus%26client%3Dsafari&usg=AOvVaw2Mal6TpSGDRYZrLNpzG6t8)
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I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.
Think what a fire hose would do to his hair :-(
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Really I think they are more arrogant than objectively dumb. But it makes them do dumb things. But I don't think MENSA will be courting them anytime soon.
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They should go to jail if true. But why the charges now so close to the election?
In the US you are ALWAYS close to an election.
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Trump's first opponent Hillary Clinton made $100's of millions for her foundation while she was Secr of State. Trump's current opponent Joe Biden protected his son who got a sweetheart deal from Ukraine and China for millions for doing nothing other than having an American VP for his father. What Bannon did, if he did it, was wrong. But Trump had nothing to do with fraud if it occurred.
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Here's a serious question for the Trump supporters here. I am not trying to play "gotcha" or one-upmanship, but really want to know the answer.
Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump as a threat to the nation, and announced that they will vote for Biden. Here's one of many reports:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512954-over-70-of-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden
How can ANYONE who cares about the country support this man? I just don't get it.
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Here's a serious question for the Trump supporters here. I am not trying to play "gotcha" or one-upmanship, but really want to know the answer.
Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump as a threat to the nation, and announced that they will vote for Biden. Here's one of many reports:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512954-over-70-of-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden
How can ANYONE who cares about the country support this man? I just don't get it.
Trump attacked the CIA and other intelligence services as being incompetent. Also, they are part of the Republican establishment that Trump ran against. They resent him. HAte him. The CIA created the mess in Iran when they overthrew the government, helped get us into VietNam, Iraq (WMD), and was involved in going after Trump with the FBI regarding Russian "Collusion". The CIA Director called Trump a traitor lying about Trump colluding with the Russians. The Democrats will be marching all these phony Republicans out between now and the election. What they aren;t considering is that they may help Republicans lose the Senate in the process so much do they hate Trump.
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I was about to answer "Crazy deep state conspiracies." but I see someone beat me to it.
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What Bannon did, if he did it, was wrong. But Trump had nothing to do with fraud if it occurred.
Trump had his own charitable foundation which he defrauded.
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Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump
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I just don't get it.
Can't you see? They're all working on their get-rich-quick, tell-all books. Open your eyes, man!
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Trump had his own charitable foundation which he defrauded.
Weird coincidence, isn't it? ::)
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Diogenes would have a tough time in Washington.
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/myeasternshoremd.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/c3/bc33812a-e5fd-5d13-be09-df04bef3d24c/5790e40961433.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C871)
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Trump attacked the CIA and other intelligence services as being incompetent.
The incompetent attacking the incompetent. Sort of like the blind leading the blind.
Trump has no knowledge or experience with the nature, capabilities, and the limitations of intelligence gathering and analysis which is often more like figuring out a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of pieces missing than observing a complete picture. And he, for some reason, seems perfectly willing to accept what Russia says regarding intelligence matters and to repeat Russian propaganda.
Maybe we would be better off with someone that has decades of experience in dealing with sensitive intelligence matters. Someone that has seen the successes and failures and understands how both occur and what questions to ask when briefed. Actually, just having someone that pays attention to briefings would be an improvement.
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I was about to answer "Crazy deep state conspiracies." but I see someone beat me to it.
"QAnon for 1000, Alex?"
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In the US you are ALWAYS close to an election.
That's true. They are only in for 4 years and spend two of those campaigning for re-election.
I don't know why they bother as they don't even have an opposition candidate until 6 months out. You'd have to be bad to lose.
Our guys call an election and it can be over in three weeks.
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I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.
Or he could jump in the swamp. Clearly, it hasn't been drained yet.
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Submitted without comment Would be superfluous in any case.
Former Republican National Security Advisors (and several others with detailed experience) opine on Trump and why they've decided to vote for Biden.
https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/
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Clean your floors! https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/513031-trump-criticizes-california-for-wild-fires-youve-got-to-clean-your (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/513031-trump-criticizes-california-for-wild-fires-youve-got-to-clean-your). Great idea, sweep up all the forest floors in California. How long could it possibly take. (Where would they put it all?) Maybe the Forestry Service should buy a bunch of Dysons, their newest cordless models go a lot longer on a charge.
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Clean your floors! https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/513031-trump-criticizes-california-for-wild-fires-youve-got-to-clean-your (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/513031-trump-criticizes-california-for-wild-fires-youve-got-to-clean-your). Great idea, sweep up all the forest floors in California. How long could it possibly take. (Where would they put it all?) Maybe the Forestry Service should buy a bunch of Dysons, their newest cordless models go a lot longer on a charge.
Trump's hyperbole shows poor Democrat management in California in an election year. Democrat Speaker Pelosi's San Francisco is being overrun by tent homeless on every street corner. Democrat GOv Newsom has allowed their forests to burn down due to lousy forest management. Do you expect Democrat Sleepy Joe Biden to manage any better?
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Nonsense. It has nothing to do with republican or democrat. It is the result of a century of forest management practice that put out every fire instead of letting the smaller ones burn through and remove the dryfall. We have been paying the price fir that for the last 30 years. And the recent set of droughts has made it worse over a large area of the West.
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Submitted without comment Would be superfluous in any case.
Former Republican National Security Advisors (and several others with detailed experience) opine on Trump and why they've decided to vote for Biden.
https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/
That is some list. You could not imagine such a list before Donald Trump became president.
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Nonsense. It has nothing to do with republican or democrat. It is the result of a century of forest management practice that put out every fire instead of letting the smaller ones burn through and remove the dryfall. We have been paying the price fir that for the last 30 years. And the recent set of droughts has made it worse over a large area of the West.
Who's responsible for forest management in California? When I visited the Grand Canyon National Park, I was amazed how the US Forest Service cleaned out all the dryfall. In between all the fir trees, the were piles of brush that were assembled. I don't know if they were being left there or were just being readied for complete removal. But the areas between the trees were clear of brush to prevent future fires that would have burned worse.
Can't California do similar things in the most dangerous areas? Instead of wasting billions on silly programs, they might be able to reduce bad fires in some areas at least. In any case, Trump is pointing out Democrat incompetence with forest management, burning cities due to riots, spikes in crime, cities overrun with the homeless, etc. Taxpayers want effective management out of their governments. It asks the question. Would you trust Trump or Biden to get things done?
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That's true. They are only in for 4 years and spend two of those campaigning for re-election.
I don't know why they bother as they don't even have an opposition candidate until 6 months out. You'd have to be bad to lose.
Our guys call an election and it can be over in three weeks.
This would be so nice! Consider yourselves lucky.
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Trump's getting money to the unemployed while Pelosi and the Democrats twiddle their thumbs.
"11 states are preparing to offer $300 extra in unemployment benefits and 8 others are waiting on FEMA’s approval"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/10-states-have-started-to-receive-dollar300-extra-in-unemployment-benefits-%E2%80%94-if-you-live-in-these-states-youre-next-on-the-list/ar-BB188gTg
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Trump's getting money to the unemployed while Pelosi and the Democrats twiddle their thumbs.
"11 states are preparing to offer $300 extra in unemployment benefits and 8 others are waiting on FEMA’s approval"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/10-states-have-started-to-receive-dollar300-extra-in-unemployment-benefits-%E2%80%94-if-you-live-in-these-states-youre-next-on-the-list/ar-BB188gTg
The swing states of Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania that helped get Trump elected, have already or will request the extra money that Trump's offering to their states through FEMA that Congress and the Democrats refused to provide before going home for summer vacation. Meanwhile, Democrat Gov Cuomo of NYS said the following: “I'd rather do business with the old time bookie on the street corner than do business with FEMA”. I'm sure that will bring out appreciative unemployed Democrats in his state to vote for Biden.
These Are The States That Declined Trump’s Extended Unemployment Benefits
https://www.forbes.com/sites/advisor/2020/08/20/these-are-the-states-that-declined-trumps-extended-unemployment-benefits/#148a667c1976
These States Plan to Expand Unemployment Benefits With Trump's Executive Order
https://www.newsweek.com/these-states-plan-expand-unemployment-benefits-trumps-executive-order-1526443
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Who's responsible for forest management in California? When I visited the Grand Canyon National Park, I was amazed how the US Forest Service cleaned out all the dryfall. In between all the fir trees, the were piles of brush that were assembled. I don't know if they were being left there or were just being readied for complete removal. But the areas between the trees were clear of brush to prevent future fires that would have burned worse.
Can't California do similar things in the most dangerous areas? Instead of wasting billions on silly programs, they might be able to reduce bad fires in some areas at least. In any case, Trump is pointing out Democrat incompetence with forest management, burning cities due to riots, spikes in crime, cities overrun with the homeless, etc. Taxpayers want effective management out of their governments. It asks the question. Would you trust Trump or Biden to get things done?
You're assuming that cleaning the forest floor is actually a good idea and you're assuming that your pinhead president knows anything the subject. He was just using any old made-up excuse to bash a perceived opponent, much as you're doing in his stead. This was just another missed golden opportunity for a politician to have kept his mouth firmly shut. Do you think there aren't any natural disasters in states that did vote for? You politicize viruses, you politicize disasters, it's insulting to read this shit.
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You're assuming that cleaning the forest floor is actually a good idea and you're assuming that your pinhead president knows anything the subject. He was just using any old made-up excuse to bash a perceived opponent, much as you're doing in his stead. This was just another missed golden opportunity for a politician to have kept his mouth firmly shut. Do you think there aren't any natural disasters in states that did vote for? You politicize viruses, you politicize disasters, it's insulting to read this shit.
Bringing up poor management of government is fair game in an election. Aren't the Democrats using the dire situation regarding Covid 19 blaming Trump's management for making the virus situation worse? Didn't Democrats blame Republican President Bush for FEMA's incompetence during Hurricane Katrina? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Here's a serious question for the Trump supporters here. I am not trying to play "gotcha" or one-upmanship, but really want to know the answer.
Over 70 former national security advisors to GOP presidents (Reagan, both Bushes, and Trump) have issued a scathing indictment of Trump as a threat to the nation, and announced that they will vote for Biden. Here's one of many reports:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/512954-over-70-of-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden
How can ANYONE who cares about the country support this man? I just don't get it.
The same experts who said if we move the embassy to Jerusalem all hell will break out. Embassy was moved and nadda. The same experts who said if we pull out of the Iran deal all hell would break out. We pulled out and nadda. Sure, we had to put down some dirtbag general, which did not start WWIII by the way. The same experts who for decades told us that that Israel Palestinian conflict was the key to Middle East peace and if we did not solve this, there would be no peace. Well, after 50+ yeas and 3 generations of displaced Palestinians, the Trump administration decided to state the obvious, they are as much refugees as the grand children of Jews displaced by WWII, which is to say not refugees at all, and Trump just moved on to other common interests.
And so, after all of this, after all of the "ignorance" towards advisors, Trump just walked away with the first major peace deal in the Middle East in 26 years. So about those advisors ...
But more to your point, how can I support Trump over Biden? I'll admit Trump is no Regan, and not my first pick, or second, or third, ... but Biden is no JFK. Instead I have to look at policy, specifically economic policy. I voted for Hope and Change in 2008, and in 2009 we got higher taxes, more regulations, higher insurance premiums, and everything else associated with big government. I then got to watch many business go under and people become anemically unemployed not just due to the recession, but what all of what Hope and Change brought with him. T'was a total failure, and Biden got a front row seat to the tragedy of his administrations making. And now ...
Now Biden is calling for the same bad policies that brought on despair for the nation while staring a recession in the face. Perhaps in January, before all of this, his higher taxes and regulations would have made sense, but not now. His unwillingness to adjust, and doubling down on, his proposals shows he is not just a bad learner, but is so ideologically bound to the left side of his party, he lacks reason and judgement.
Say what you will about Trumps rhetoric and personality. He is spiteful and combative, and waste time on personal spats more then I would like to see, although I would not say crazy or dangerous, but at least the man rethinks and changes his policies when conditions on the ground change. At least he is not looking at a recession in the face and saying, "lets make it so small businesses have an even harder time after all of this," like Biden is.
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Who's responsible for forest management in California? When I visited the Grand Canyon National Park, I was amazed how the US Forest Service cleaned out all the dryfall.
Correction: the small amount of GCNP that you visited was clear of dryfall. If on the other hand you visited the entire park, I'd love to know how long it took and how you got around. The section you visited was manicured for visitors and tourists, like yourself.
Can't California do similar things in the most dangerous areas?
Yosemite Valley is also nicely manicured.
National and state parks in California are big and large sections are inaccessible for 5 -9 months of the year - depending on weather.
What you might like to do is ask GCNP what area of the park they manicure (clean up dryfall) and how much it costs them each year to do that. Then we can take that number, agree upon some area of national/state parks in California that are considered dangerous and work out how long/how much it would cost.
You might also like to define what you mean by "dangerous". If dangerous just means an area that hasn't had adequate rainfall to mitigate the risk of a wildfire, that could be a very large area.
Instead of wasting billions on silly programs, they might be able to reduce bad fires in some areas at least.
And get criticized for spending money on sweeping the floor of forests when there are more pressing needs, such as giving companies tax breaks, because who needs money spent on sweeping forest floors?
As for Trump getting things done, it all depends on perspective. Trump got the wall built on the Mexican border. The wind came along and blew it down. All his business dealings show this up. He employs people that he thinks are great then 6 months later fires them and hardly knows who they are. Donald Trump is a con-man. That's how he got to be president: he con'd Americans into believing he would Make America Great Again.
A used car salesman is president of the USA and his supporters think the Sun shines out of his a*** because he isn't a suit from the beltway. (Actually, he wears diapers because he has no control of his bowels or bladder, so no Sun comes out there, just an uncontrollable stream of s**t, like what comes out of his mouth.)
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Trump's hyperbole shows poor Democrat management in California in an election year. Democrat Speaker Pelosi's San Francisco is being overrun by tent homeless on every street corner.
What's the problem with this? Do you want to deny the poor the ability to choose how to live their own life? One of the very few choices that they are able to make?
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A used car salesman is president of the USA and his supporters think the Sun shines out of his a*** because he isn't a suit from the beltway. (Actually, he wears diapers because he has no control of his bowels or bladder, so no Sun comes out there, just an uncontrollable stream of s**t, like what comes out of his mouth.)
When you resort to vile and insulting language, you lose me. So I won't waste time responding to your other points.
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I sympathize with Trump on this issue -- a guy his size could take forever to get clean in a low-flow shower. He probably could use a fire hose.
Donald Trump spends 2 hours every day getting his makeup done.
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When you resort to vile and insulting language, you lose me.
Question is, is calling Donald Trump a used car salesman insulting Donald Trump or the used car salesmen? Tough call to make, that one.
As for the diaper issue, that's not an insult, it's a fact. Go looking on the Internet and you'll find pictures of leakage problems.
Don't worry, the pictures of the leakage look much more vile than how the words read.
So I won't waste time responding to your other points.
The rest of my points require facts, not opinions, for a worthwhile discussion.
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And so, after all of this, after all of the "ignorance" towards advisors, Trump just walked away with the first major peace deal in the Middle East in 26 years. So about those advisors ...
Yes, after this peace deal the UAE are not shooting at the Israelis.
Oh ... hang on a mo ...
They never were.
Still - great deal !!
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Alan, please do a quick character assassination on this guy and tell me what he wrote is not true.
I am so confused between what you say about Trump and all these other folks...
"Quid pro quo:Trump's clemency for Roger Stone is an admission of the president's guilt in Russia probe
This level of criminality surrounding a president is unparalleled. We have not seen its like in American history before (though perhaps Richard Nixon comes close)."
- Paul Rosenzweig, a senior fellow in the National Security and Cyber Security Program at the R Street Institute, was senior counsel to Kenneth Starr in the Whitewater investigation and a deputy assistant secretary of Homeland Security in the George W. Bush administration.
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The same experts who said if we move the embassy to Jerusalem all hell will break out. Embassy was moved and nadda. The same experts who said if we pull out of the Iran deal all hell would break out. We pulled out and nadda. Sure, we had to put down some dirtbag general, which did not start WWIII by the way. The same experts who for decades told us that that Israel Palestinian conflict was the key to Middle East peace and if we did not solve this, there would be no peace. Well, after 50+ yeas and 3 generations of displaced Palestinians, the Trump administration decided to state the obvious, they are as much refugees as the grand children of Jews displaced by WWII, which is to say not refugees at all, and Trump just moved on to other common interests.
And so, after all of this, after all of the "ignorance" towards advisors, Trump just walked away with the first major peace deal in the Middle East in 26 years. So about those advisors ...
The problems in the Middle East have been going on for a long time, over many generations and certainly over many American election cycles. As to whether Trump has even made a minor dent in it, well, all I can say is, "We'll see."
The fact that wars did not break out over the embassy move or the Iranian nuclear deal is indicative of nothing at all.
So, you put down a dirtbag general. Ok, but was it your place to do that? Do you think anyone believes anymore than the US is the world's police force. That ship sailed. And anyway, what about the Saudi dirtbags? Or the Russian ones. So you sent a signal to Iran to shut up, BFD. What long-term effects that will have remain to be seen. These things play out over time periods that are much longer than any President's tenure and certainly much longer than the attention span of any American TV viewer. All I'm saying is that it's too early to celebrate or even pat yourselves on the back.
I've been watching the Ken Burns series on the Vietnam War. What it shows, if nothing else, is that the daily news cycle and the pablum served up to the unwashed by the government and the popular media mean next to nothing.
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Alan, please do a quick character assassination on this guy and tell me what he wrote is not true.
I am so confused between what you say about Trump and all these other folks...
"Quid pro quo:Trump's clemency for Roger Stone is an admission of the president's guilt in Russia probe
This level of criminality surrounding a president is unparalleled. We have not seen its like in American history before (though perhaps Richard Nixon comes close)."
- Paul Rosenzweig, a senior fellow in the National Security and Cyber Security Program at the R Street Institute, was senior counsel to Kenneth Starr in the Whitewater investigation and a deputy assistant secretary of Homeland Security in the George W. Bush administration.
OK. I'll bite.
The guy's a jerk and doesn't know what he's talking about.
How's that? :)
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OK. I'll bite.
The guy's a jerk and doesn't know what he's talking about.
How's that? :)
But there was a time when you thought the opposite...like Bannon, Bolton, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and the rest...your circle is becoming ever smaller.
Soon it will be be just you and Trump! ;D
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But there was a time when you thought the opposite...like Bannon, Bolton, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster and the rest...your circle is becoming ever smaller.
Soon it will be be just you and Trump! ;D
In the past he has attributed the high turnover in Presidential advisors to Trump's high standards.
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The problems in the Middle East have been going on for a long time, over many generations and certainly over many American election cycles. As to whether Trump has even made a minor dent in it, well, all I can say is, "We'll see."
The fact that wars did not break out over the embassy move or the Iranian nuclear deal is indicative of nothing at all.
So, you put down a dirtbag general. Ok, but was it your place to do that? Do you think anyone believes anymore than the US is the world's police force. That ship sailed. And anyway, what about the Saudi dirtbags? Or the Russian ones. So you sent a signal to Iran to shut up, BFD. What long-term effects that will have remain to be seen. These things play out over time periods that are much longer than any President's tenure and certainly much longer than the attention span of any American TV viewer. All I'm saying is that it's too early to celebrate or even pat yourselves on the back.
I've been watching the Ken Burns series on the Vietnam War. What it shows, if nothing else, is that the daily news cycle and the pablum served up to the unwashed by the government and the popular media mean next to nothing.
Well sure, unrest has been going on in the Middle East for many decades, centuries even. So has Trump made a dent in it, for a time, at least, and judging by the standards of the Nobel Peace commission in 2009, he deserves a good deal of credit. However, we will see if it last.
And the point I was making by noting the move of the embassy had nothing to do with the Middle East, but with the DC elite who were all proved wrong in their dire warnings that war would follow. It did not, and so their credibility has been damaged, along with other failed predictions.
Ken Burns does a good job on giving a center left view of the Vietnam War, which I respect. Bill Whittle of Esoteric Radio Theatre gives a nice center right view of the War in his The Cold War podcast, albeit less detailed since he covers the entirety of the Cold War instead of just one event. The truth is somewhere in between, as always.
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In the past he has attributed the high turnover in Presidential advisors to Trump's high standards.
I never said that. I believe I said effectiveness and loyalty.
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The problems in the Middle East have been going on for a long time, over many generations and certainly over many American election cycles. As to whether Trump has even made a minor dent in it, well, all I can say is, "We'll see."
The fact that wars did not break out over the embassy move or the Iranian nuclear deal is indicative of nothing at all.
So, you put down a dirtbag general. Ok, but was it your place to do that? Do you think anyone believes anymore than the US is the world's police force. That ship sailed. And anyway, what about the Saudi dirtbags? Or the Russian ones. So you sent a signal to Iran to shut up, BFD. What long-term effects that will have remain to be seen. These things play out over time periods that are much longer than any President's tenure and certainly much longer than the attention span of any American TV viewer. All I'm saying is that it's too early to celebrate or even pat yourselves on the back.
I've been watching the Ken Burns series on the Vietnam War. What it shows, if nothing else, is that the daily news cycle and the pablum served up to the unwashed by the government and the popular media mean next to nothing.
Yes. The dirtbag general we killed was Qassem Soleimani who killed hundreds of American troops throughout the Middle East. Four other dirtbags were killed including Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the leader of an Iranian-supported militia who was implicated in the 1983 bombing of our embassy in Kuwait. Americans have a long memory as well as a long arm.
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A used car salesman is president of the USA and his supporters think the Sun shines out of his a*** because he isn't a suit from the beltway. (Actually, he wears diapers because he has no control of his bowels or bladder, so no Sun comes out there, just an uncontrollable stream of s**t, like what comes out of his mouth.)
If you are incapable of expressing yourself other than in such language, you have no place here. Do not indulge yourself in that way again. Final warning.
Jeremy
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The problems in the Middle East have been going on for a long time, over many generations and certainly over many American election cycles. As to whether Trump has even made a minor dent in it, well, all I can say is, "We'll see."
Kish (Iraq) defeated Elam (Iran) c.2650 bce
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Who's responsible for forest management in California? When I visited the Grand Canyon National Park, I was amazed how the US Forest Service cleaned out all the dryfall. In between all the fir trees, the were piles of brush that were assembled. I don't know if they were being left there or were just being readied for complete removal. But the areas between the trees were clear of brush to prevent future fires that would have burned worse.
Can't California do similar things in the most dangerous areas? Instead of wasting billions on silly programs, they might be able to reduce bad fires in some areas at least. In any case, Trump is pointing out Democrat incompetence with forest management, burning cities due to riots, spikes in crime, cities overrun with the homeless, etc. Taxpayers want effective management out of their governments. It asks the question. Would you trust Trump or Biden to get things done?
Jeez, Alan -- California has 33 million acres of *forest* -- that's six times the total area of New Jersey. Sweep it up?
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Jeez, Alan -- California has 33 million area of *forest* -- that's six times the total area of New Jersey. Sweep it up?
From my post: "...Can't California do similar things in the most dangerous areas? Instead of wasting billions on silly programs, they might be able to reduce bad fires in some areas at least..."
I'm not suggesting they go into the forests where few people live. I understand those are huge. But they can start in the most occupied and dangerous areas. You see them every year going up in flames on the news. Homes on hills with lots of brush. The fires start and sweep up the hills taking the homes with them. If they cut down the brush, the fires would not spread. They should pay the firefighters who fight forest fires all year to cut down the brush instead of some stupid social programs that waste a lot of money. Maybe they can use the money they're taking from the cops.
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Forgive me for asking the obvious. I know it seems self-evident but do we know for a fact that cleaning underbrush would avoid wildfires or is everyone just assuming it to be the case?
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Clearing underbrush would reduce the amount of combustible material and thus number of uncontrolled wildfires. However, a controlled burning is often easier and more effective than just removal of brush. In grassy regions like in Florida or Georgia, prescribed burning has been used for many years removing all flammable brush and ground growth and also to enrich the soil.
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California law requires that homeowners in SRA clear out flammable materials such as brush or vegetation around their buildings to 100 feet (or the property line) to create a defensible space buffer. This helps halt the progress of an approaching wildfire and keeps firefighters safe while they defend your home
https://www.readyforwildfire.org/more/fire-safety-laws
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California law requires that homeowners in SRA clear out flammable materials such as brush or vegetation around their buildings to 100 feet (or the property line) to create a defensible space buffer. This helps halt the progress of an approaching wildfire and keeps firefighters safe while they defend your home
https://www.readyforwildfire.org/more/fire-safety-laws
In Ontario, if you dig on your rural property a decent size pond filled with water, you'll get a discount for your house insurance.
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Clearing underbrush would reduce the amount of combustible material and thus number of uncontrolled wildfires. However, a controlled burning is often easier and more effective than just removal of brush. In grassy regions like in Florida or Georgia, prescribed burning has been used for many years removing all flammable brush and ground growth and also to enrich the soil.
California stopped or cut back controlled burns because of the covid-19 virus. Another associate casualty of shuting everything down.
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California stopped or cut back controlled burns because of the covid-19 virus. Another associate casualty of shuting everything down.
Because of smoke-induced cough?
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In Ontario, if you dig on your rural property a decent size pond filled with water, you'll get a discount for your house insurance.
unfortunately there's no water in California. If it wasn't for the Colorado River, it would be like the Sahara. Right now they have a drought on tp of that with 100 plus degrees. Another problem is people build on the hills. So when there's a fire, it reaches up the sides to the top where everyone wants their house to be.
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You guys are still going at it? 1000+ replies?
The science is settled:
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The science is settled:
Ha!
Jeremy
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An anti-Trump Republican campaign strategist insider speaks about his newly released book on the subject, https://www.npr.org/2020/08/11/901274491/veteran-gop-strategist-takes-on-trump-and-his-party-in-it-was-all-a-lie (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/11/901274491/veteran-gop-strategist-takes-on-trump-and-his-party-in-it-was-all-a-lie). It's about 40 min long. Some interesting historical perspectives are presented. His comments about the differences between the stated policy sound bites and actual outcomes are almost funny to listen to. E.g., Republicans invariably increase deficits after always campaigning against them, is one example.
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You guys are still going at it? 1000+ replies?
The science is settled:
Crikey, we already know his IQ.
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Forgive me for asking the obvious. I know it seems self-evident but do we know for a fact that cleaning underbrush would avoid wildfires or is everyone just assuming it to be the case?
No, but it would stop fires from becoming too big and killing the crowns of the trees, which kills the forests. Forests naturally burn every 20 years or so, which burns up the dried up fuel. Also, after only 20 years, the amount of fuel is not enough to produce a crown fire, so the forest will survive the fire.
But now after 100+ years of stopping forest fires, so much fuel has built up, when a fire starts, it will become a crown fire. It also will burn so hot it becomes impossible to stop.
Unfortunately, Alan's idea of cleaning up the forest floor has a few of issues with it. First, there is just way too much land to clean. Second, no one really knows how much fuel needs to be removed. Thomas Swetnam, a scientist in AZ who studies this, cleaned up a forest near him and they thought it was cleaned up enough to not produce a crown fire. A fire came through shortly afterwards and it became a crown fire and killed the forest. So really no one knows how to solve this issue.
More than likely we will have to deal with severe forest fires for many years to come until all of the forests are cleared and begin growing again. The downside to this is it takes about 100 years for a forest to even start to develop, and by that I mean for trees to re-enter the land.
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who killed hundreds of American troops throughout the Middle East.
and what those troops were doing in the middle east in the first place ?
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No, but it would stop fires from becoming too big and killing the crowns of the trees, which kills the forests. Forests naturally burn every 20 years or so, which burns up the dried up fuel. Also, after only 20 years, the amount of fuel is not enough to produce a crown fire, so the forest will survive the fire.
But now after 100+ years of stopping forest fires, so much fuel has built up, when a fire starts, it will become a crown fire. It also will burn so hot it becomes impossible to stop.
Unfortunately, Alan's idea of cleaning up the forest floor has a few of issues with it. First, there is just way too much land to clean. Second, no one really knows how much fuel needs to be removed. Thomas Swetnam, a scientist in AZ who studies this, cleaned up a forest near him and they thought it was cleaned up enough to not produce a crown fire. A fire came through shortly afterwards and it became a crown fire and killed the forest. So really no one knows how to solve this issue.
More than likely we will have to deal with severe forest fires for many years to come until all of the forests are cleared and begin growing again. The downside to this is it takes about 100 years for a forest to even start to develop, and by that I mean for trees to re-enter the land.
Maybe we can clean out the homes instead. :)
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and what those troops were doing in the middle east in the first place ?
Trying to prevent the General and other miscreants from taking over the place and hurting our friends and allies there. Did he expect soldiers he attacked would sit around forever and not respond? Why aren't you asking why an Iranian General was in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and other Middle East countries stirring up trouble? By the way, what country are you from?
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You guys are still going at it? 1000+ replies?
The science is settled:
Nice to see you back. Want to double your money?
Fold it.
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unfortunately there's no water in California. If it wasn't for the Colorado River, it would be like the Sahara.
This may be the most ridiculous and asinine thing that I have read in this forum.
* If it helps, here's a map. https://geology.com/lakes-rivers-water/california.shtml (https://geology.com/lakes-rivers-water/california.shtml)
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This may be the most ridiculous and asinine thing that I have read in this forum.
Alan will fix that, I am sure.
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Maybe we can clean out the homes instead. :)
Michael Shellenberger, who is an environmentalist that started out on the far left and is now right of center on a lot of environmental issues, talks about this point too. The second biggest contributor to forest fires today, with the Smokey Bear Effect being number one, is more people living too close to or within forests. We are a fire/energy loving species, so to get less forest fires, we need less people living in forests.
This will also make it politically viable to let forests burn naturally when they spark up, decreasing the extent of the Smokey Bear Effect. No politician could survive a campaign of saying "just let it burn, it's better for the forest" when people's houses and businesses would burn with it.
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This may be the most ridiculous and asinine thing that I have read in this forum.
* If it helps, here's a map. https://geology.com/lakes-rivers-water/california.shtml (https://geology.com/lakes-rivers-water/california.shtml)
Southern California is mainly desert including LA. They've had 100+ degree temps the last few days. Their water supply is mainly from the Colorado River that feeds aqueducts.
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California stopped or cut back controlled burns because of the covid-19 virus. Another associate casualty of shuting everything down.
The Trump administration has halted controlled burns in California due to the pandemic. The majority of California forest land is owned and managed by the federal government (57%). Industrial timber companies own another 14%. About 26% is on private land owned by individuals with nearly 90% of these owners having less than 50 acres of forest. That adds up to 97% of California forest land controlled by either the federal government or private individuals and industry.
State and local agencies own and control just 3% of California forests. The State of California is continuing their efforts to control those thru the pandemic and disagrees with the Trump administration decision to halt control efforts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-wildfires/trump-administration-halts-wildfire-prevention-tool-in-california-over-coronavirus (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-wildfires/trump-administration-halts-wildfire-prevention-tool-in-california-over-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X1HD)
https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/ (https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/)
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Southern California is mainly desert including LA. They've had 100+ degree temps the last few days. Their water supply is mainly from the Colorado River that feeds aqueducts.
California used about 42 million acre-feet of water in 2010, the latest year I could find for totaling statistics. That's according to the USGS. California gets 4.4 million acre-feet from the Colorado River, or about 10% to the total.
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The Trump administration has halted controlled burns in California due to the pandemic. The majority of California forest land is owned and managed by the federal government (57%). Industrial timber companies own another 14%. About 26% is on private land owned by individuals with nearly 90% of these owners having less than 50 acres of forest. That adds up to 97% of California forest land controlled by either the federal government or private individuals and industry.
State and local agencies own and control just 3% of California forests. The State of California is continuing their efforts to control those thru the pandemic and disagrees with the Trump administration decision to halt control efforts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-wildfires/trump-administration-halts-wildfire-prevention-tool-in-california-over-coronavirus (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-wildfires/trump-administration-halts-wildfire-prevention-tool-in-california-over-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X1HD)
https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/ (https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/)
Trump can't win. Whatever he does he's wrong. He gets blamed for not shutting things down due to the coronavirus. Now you blame him for shutting things down. He shut it down to protect the firefighters and to stop smoke from hurting people's lungs who may have the virus. If he didn't do this, you'd be complaining he's hurting the very same people by letting fire burns continue.
The article also says that it was left open to each Federal district manager to decide what they needed to do for their district and to continue burns as needed. That sounds reasonable to me.
In any case, the whole program became another side-casualty of the virus, like the economy in general.
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California used about 42 million acre-feet of water in 2010, the latest year I could find for totaling statistics. That's according to the USGS. California gets 4.4 million acre-feet from the Colorado River, or about 10% to the total.
None of that has anything to do with my original point. Someone posted that they can build little ponds next to each home to stop the spread of the fire. There's no room in California for that nor is there water for that. The green crazies would object anyway tying it up in the courts for twenty years.
A real solution would be to cut the brush between houses more as a way to reduce fire damage to homes in heavily occupied areas in the hills. I agree with others that in major forests, these are too big to reduce brush easily.
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Southern California is mainly desert including LA. They've had 100+ degree temps the last few days. Their water supply is mainly from the Colorado River that feeds aqueducts.
Even though that's not remotely connected to what you actually said.
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Even though that's not remotely connected to what you actually said.
My original statement was cherry picked and abbreviated. And you're playing word games with me as you do with Trump. Anyone who reads the news currently knows I was referring to southern California as that's where the 100 degree heat is occurring the last few days. Also, the Colorado water basin serves southern California which is extremely dry most of the year. Apparently you didn't know that either. Next time I'll try to be more informative.
Here's the full original statement I made: "unfortunately there's no water in California. If it wasn't for the Colorado River, it would be like the Sahara. Right now they have a drought on tp of that with 100 plus degrees. Another problem is people build on the hills. So when there's a fire, it reaches up the sides to the top where everyone wants their house to be."
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My original statement was cherry picked and abbreviated. And you're playing word games with me as you do with Trump.
Alan, nobody's playing word games with you. Like Trump, we have to base our reactions to what he says based on what he says., and not on what his supporters say he "meant".
The same goes for you. We only understand what you write. Own it.
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Alan, nobody's playing word games with you. Like Trump, we have to base our reactions to what he says based on what he says., and not on what his supporters say he "meant".
The same goes for you. We only understand what you write. Own it.
Alan, nobody's playing word games with you. Like Trump, we have to base our reactions to what he says based on what he says., and not on what his supporters say he "meant".
The same goes for you. We only understand what you write. Own it.
People speak and write informally in a colloquial and idiomatic way. They don't spell out every detail. We're not submitting a term paper or legal brief. I understand Trump gets lambasted for his Queens NYC lingo. Well, that's political. But doing it here is just a cheap shot.
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unfortunately there's no water in California. If it wasn't for the Colorado River, it would be like the Sahara.
Colloquial or not, it's a silly, irresponsible and incorrect statement. It's based on absolutely nothing except empty rhetoric and earns nothing but disrespect for the maker. Somebody else pointed out that some 4% of California's water comes from the Colorado River.
The Sahara Desert is one of the earth's most desolate, hostile climates. California is not and never could be anything like the Sahara.
If you insist on making stuff up (like Trump) and making wild-ass, easily-disproven statements (like Trump), expect to be called on it.
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Colloquial or not, it's a silly, irresponsible and incorrect statement. It's based on absolutely nothing except empty rhetoric and earns nothing but disrespect for the maker. Somebody else pointed out that some 4% of California's water comes from the Colorado River.
The Sahara Desert is one of the earth's most desolate, hostile climates. California is not and never could be anything like the Sahara.
If you insist on making stuff up (like Trump) and making wild-ass, easily-disproven statements (like Trump), expect to be called on it.
Southern California gets its water from the Colorado. It's as hot there now as it is in the Sahara. MAybe hotter. Parts of Southern Cal are over 110 degrees F (43C) the last few days and will hit 115 degrees F (46C) next week. You're playing word games. People understand expressions. But if you choose to ignore them like political reporters who hate Trump and read it like a legal contract, go right ahead and waste your time. Others know what I'm talking about.
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You're playing word games. People understand expressions. But if you choose to ignore them like political reporters who hate Trump and read it like a legal contract, go right ahead and waste your time. Others know what I'm talking about.
Nope, they don't. Don't expect that "others will know what I'm talking about". Words have meaning and value. They are precision instruments. Mis-use them at your readers' peril.
For a perfect, recent example of the precision use of language (and delivery) read or listen to Obama's speech at the DNC.
In any case, if you're going to point to how right you were about California and water and deserts and heat, you missed the example of Death Valley, which recently posted the highest temperature ever recorded. (a singular, highly suspect outlier from the 1800s notwithstanding)
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Southern California is mainly desert including LA. They've had 100+ degree temps the last few days. Their water supply is mainly from the Colorado River that feeds aqueducts.
LA is not a desert. It has a Mediterranean climate and is situated on a coastal plain surrounded by mountains forming a basin. It has the Los Angles and San Gabriel Rivers running thru it, and receives about 15 inches of rainfall per year. Before people started building LA and the surrounding cities and paving it over, the Los Angeles Basin collected water feeding into it from the surrounding hills and mountains and was a natural floodplain that fed springs and vast underground aquifers that provided plenty of water for plants and trees during the dry season. It created marshy wetlands, green grasslands and wooded areas with an abundance of oak and walnut trees. The abundance of water attracted the first natives, earliest European explorers and settlers, and later US settlers for agriculture and farming.
But for 20th century booming LA population and city growth, there was frequently far too much water due to unpredictable flooding from the Los Angeles River. After devastating floods in LA during the 1930s, the Army Corp of Engineers implemented a vast program to dam and divert, and finally controlling the remaining river by encasing it in concrete and redirecting. Today 92% of the water that naturally falls on or flows thru LA is diverted out to sea! Diverting the natural water supply combined with huge population growth has required LA to import the vast majority of it's water via the California Aqueduct which diverts water from the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, the Los Angeles Aqueduct which diverts water from the Owens River, and the Colorado River Aqueduct. Only 11% of water needs are supplied from their underground aquifers. Earlier population growth reduced the water table and industrial waste and agricultural runoff has polluted much of the underground water. Efforts have begun to restore and replenish underground aquifers, but it will be expensive and take time.
Neither LA or Southern California generally are desert. East of the mountains surrounding Southern California metro areas there is desert area. The south-east corner of California contains a lot of desert, but I think everyone is aware of that fact. It doesn't mean that "Southern California is mainly desert including LA".
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/No, L.A. Is Not a Desert (https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/this-is-not-la/)
https://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/13/down the drain/ (https://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/13/down-drain/)
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LA is not a desert. It has a Mediterranean climate and is situated on a coastal plain surrounded by mountains forming a basin. It has the Los Angles and San Gabriel Rivers running thru it, and receives about 15 inches of rainfall per year. Before people started building LA and the surrounding cities and paving it over, the Los Angeles Basin collected water feeding into it from the surrounding hills and mountains and was a natural floodplain that fed springs and vast underground aquifers that provided plenty of water for plants and trees during the dry season. It created marshy wetlands, green grasslands and wooded areas with an abundance of oak and walnut trees. The abundance of water attracted the first natives, earliest European explorers and settlers, and later US settlers for agriculture and farming.
But for 20th century booming LA population and city growth, there was frequently far too much water due to unpredictable flooding from the Los Angeles River. After devastating floods in LA during the 1930s, the Army Corp of Engineers implemented a vast program to dam and divert, and finally controlling the remaining river by encasing it in concrete and redirecting. Today 92% of the water that naturally falls on or flows thru LA is diverted out to sea! Diverting the natural water supply combined with huge population growth has required LA to import the vast majority of it's water via the California Aqueduct which diverts water from the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, the Los Angeles Aqueduct which diverts water from the Owens River, and the Colorado River Aqueduct. Only 11% of water needs are supplied from their underground aquifers. Earlier population growth reduced the water table and industrial waste and agricultural runoff has polluted much of the underground water. Efforts have begun to restore and replenish underground aquifers, but it will be expensive and take time.
Neither LA or Southern California generally are desert. East of the mountains surrounding Southern California metro areas there is desert area. The south-east corner of California contains a lot of desert, but I think everyone is aware of that fact. It doesn't mean that "Southern California is mainly desert including LA".
https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/No, L.A. Is Not a Desert (https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/this-is-not-la/)
https://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/13/down the drain/ (https://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/13/down-drain/)
Thanks for the geography and history lesson. A distinction without a difference. OK, only some of it is desert. it's not a desert except for Mojave Desert, Colorado Desert, and Great Basin Desert. LA is not a desert but is considered semi arid, or whatever. It had a river. But that was concreted up and drained into the sea. None of this changes my point.
Seasonally, during many months of every year, southern California gets extremely hot, dry, and devoid of rainfall like a desert. Every year on TV we see the brush burning taking homes with it. Every year is called a disaster zone and firefighters are called from around the US and elsewhere to help put out fires and save home.
If the state government would spend more time and resources clearing away the brush, and imposing building codes that would protect homes and limiting their construction, there would be less damaging fires and more homes would be saved. That's up to the California government and its governor and local officials, not the Federal government as this land where the homes are located is state responsibility.
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Nope, they don't. Don't expect that "others will know what I'm talking about". Words have meaning and value. They are precision instruments. Mis-use them at your readers' peril.
For a perfect, recent example of the precision use of language (and delivery) read or listen to Obama's speech at the DNC.
In any case, if you're going to point to how right you were about California and water and deserts and heat, you missed the example of Death Valley, which recently posted the highest temperature ever recorded. (a singular, highly suspect outlier from the 1800s notwithstanding)
Most people understand exaggeration, hyperbole, and irony to make a point. If you don't, or refuse to because you want to make political points, I'm sure most readers understood what I meant. I'll leave it up to them to decide.
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Very good long-form interview in Politico with former Republican campaign strategist Stuart Stevens, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/19/interview-stuart-stevens-republican-case-against-trump-397918 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/19/interview-stuart-stevens-republican-case-against-trump-397918). He recently released a book "It Was All a Lie", a critical examination of Republican party politics over the years.
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Thanks for the geography and history lesson. ... None of this changes my point.
So, correct information is irrelevant to your perception?
The title of this thread is "informed debate". You've been informed of your ignorance, yet you state that "your point" (whatever it was) remains unchanged. Sound familiar?
"My mind's made up. Don't confuse me with facts."
*NOTE* "Ignorance" does not mean "stupid". Ignorance means "lack of knowledge".
Seasonally, during many months of every year, southern California gets extremely hot, dry, and devoid of rainfall like a desert. Every year on TV we see the brush burning taking homes with it. Every year is called a disaster zone and firefighters are called from around the US and elsewhere to help put out fires and save home.
"like a desert" does not make something a desert.
Fires in deserts are uncommon because there's no fuel. Fires in Mediterranean climates (like LA) are common because there exists extensive vegetation. In other words, fuel. Much of the LA basin biome is called "Chaparral".
Wikipedia:
Chaparral, vegetation composed of broad-leaved evergreen shrubs, bushes, and small trees usually less than 2.5 m (about 8 feet) tall; together they often form dense thickets. Chaparral is found in regions with a climate similar to that of the Mediterranean area, characterized by hot, dry summers and mild, wet winters.
In other words, Los Angeles never was, and is extremely unlikely to become, a desert.
The Mojave and Colorado Deserts are both contained largely within CA. They are also distant from Los Angeles.
The Great Basin Desert is nearly completely confined to the states of Nevada and Utah. A tiny sliver of it exists between the political state border and the geoclimatic border of the Sierra Nevada between CA and NV, near Reno. Calling it a California desert is inaccurate.
Disinformation, rhetoric and hyperbole, in other words. False information de-legitimizes whatever point you're trying to make.
Most people understand exaggeration, hyperbole, and irony to make a point. If you don't, or refuse to because you want to make political points, I'm sure most readers understood what I meant. I'll leave it up to them to decide.
Words have precise meaning. Interpretation is not up to the reader. Concision, clarity and accuracy are the responsibility of the writer.
"They know what I meant" does not cut it, as we've seen since 2016
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Have a nice day Peter.
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Have a nice day Peter.
Well, at least your response was concise, clear and accurate.
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Said of Trump: “He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.”
Who said this?
1) Joe Biden
2) Nancy Pelosi
3) Michael Moore
4) Maryanne Trump Barry
If you chose #4, you are right. She is Trump's elder sister and a retired federal judge.
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Said of Trump: “He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.”
Who said this?
1) Joe Biden
2) Nancy Pelosi
3) Michael Moore
4) Maryanne Trump Barry
If you chose #4, you are right. She is Trump's elder sister and a retired federal judge.
I think Trump, Biden and Clinton all have issues with moral turpitude. But the daily barrage of attacks on Trump get old. People just shrug their shoulders and move on. The accusations may be getting counter-productive. I'm sure they will get worse the closer we get to the election. The NY Times still hasn't pulled it's October surprise yet. That ought to be a beaut.
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He's at it again.
Joe Biden faces new plagiarism claim over DNC acceptance speech
https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/joe-biden-faces-plagiarism-claim-over-dnc-acceptance-speech/
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My original statement was cherry picked and abbreviated. And you're playing word games with me as you do with Trump. Anyone who reads the news currently knows I was referring to southern California as that's where the 100 degree heat is occurring the last few days. Also, the Colorado water basin serves southern California which is extremely dry most of the year. Apparently you didn't know that either. Next time I'll try to be more informative.
Here's the full original statement I made: "unfortunately there's no water in California. If it wasn't for the Colorado River, it would be like the Sahara. Right now they have a drought on tp of that with 100 plus degrees. Another problem is people build on the hills. So when there's a fire, it reaches up the sides to the top where everyone wants their house to be."
Actually, your post was in response to a discussion regarding wildfires in California. "Anyone who reads the news currently knows" those wildfires are raging thru Northern California and the record breaking heat wave is over the entire state including Northern California (107 in ocean beach town Santa Cruz). The freak lightning storms around the San Francisco Bay Area and Lake Tahoe that set off the hundreds of wild fires in Northern California, well, here's an amazing view of the lightning and the fires from space (only a minute long, take a look. San Francisco Bay Area on the left and Lake Tahoe on the right of the map overlay)... YouTube/ Watch 10,800 lightning strikes spark 367 California fires from space (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=70&v=iMfj2cgsoRI&feature=emb_logo)
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Thank you for the news update.
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If the state government would spend more time and resources clearing away the brush, and imposing building codes that would protect homes and limiting their construction, there would be less damaging fires and more homes would be saved. That's up to the California government and its governor and local officials, not the Federal government as this land where the homes are located is state responsibility.
The State is continuing its fire control efforts. It's the US Forest Service that has stopped. How do you teach fires not to start in Federally controlled forests that make up the majority of California forest lands and then consuming everything in its path?
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I think Trump, Biden and Clinton all have issues with moral turpitude. But the daily barrage of attacks on Trump get old. People just shrug their shoulders and move on. The accusations may be getting counter-productive. I'm sure they will get worse the closer we get to the election. The NY Times still hasn't pulled it's October surprise yet. That ought to be a beaut.
That's very disingenuous. It's a given that no one is a saint, it's stupid to expect that. But the many-times per day displays of Trump's unfitness for office are WAY past "moral turpitude".
The latest QAnon-worthy nonsense from the fool that I saw is that the FDA (or someone in the "deep state") is arbitrarily holding back on a Covid vaccine. First, the fact that he uses the term "deep state" alone should disqualify him office. I mean, it's simply too stupid for words.
Second, the idea that a government agency is arbitrarily withholding potentially life-saving vaccines would be TOO DUMB for the National Enquirer, were it still around. The idea is what, that they're doing that to make him look bad, is that the implied fantasy here? It would be more rational to believe in alien abduction.
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That's very disingenuous. It's a given that no one is a saint, it's stupid to expect that. But the many-times per day displays of Trump's unfitness for office are WAY past "moral turpitude".
The latest QAnon-worthy nonsense from the fool that I saw is that the FDA (or someone in the "deep state") is arbitrarily holding back on a Covid vaccine. First, the fact that he uses the term "deep state" alone should disqualify him office. I mean, it's simply too stupid for words.
Second, the idea that a government agency is arbitrarily withholding potentially life-saving vaccines would be TOO DUMB for the National Enquirer, were it still around. The idea is what, that they're doing that to make him look bad, is that the implied fantasy here? It would be more rational to believe in alien abduction.
You just proved my point by doing it again.
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You just proved my point by doing it again.
So, everyone should just shut up about Trump? Leave him alone?
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So, everyone should just shut up about Trump? Leave him alone?
The Democrat strategy is to make fun of their enemies. It has been a tried and true practice they have used for decades going back to Ike. I just never have seen it used as much as with Trump. Of course he gives them a lot of ammunition. But, I'm not sure it's going to work because of overload. People have heard it all before since before the last election. Trump won anyway. The Democrats are counting on people voting against Trump, not voting for Biden. It may work. On the other hand, if voters discount the personal attacks and ask themselves if Biden can really do the job, his hiding out as a strategy may backfire.
We'll find out soon what voters are thinking.
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You just proved my point by doing it again.
Are you seriously suggesting that the President should get a pass on nonsense like this? That it's UNFAIR to point it out?
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I made my point. You point all you want.
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The Democrat strategy is to make fun of their enemies. It has been a tried and true practice they have used for decades going back to Ike.
On the other hand, if voters discount the personal attacks and ask themselves if Biden can really do the job, his hiding out as a strategy may backfire.
We'll find out soon what voters are thinking.
And maybe the voters will get tired of the tweets with the childish nicknames and the endless lying.
As you say, we'll find out.
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You just proved my point by doing it again.
By being right?
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By being right?
What do you think?
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Long-form thoughtful article about the lack of ideas in modern politics, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039). This article is written primarily about the current US Republican party but the theme is more general than that, imo.
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So Biden drew a line in the sand and said he will shut down the economy again if the scientists tell him too. So everything we've been arguing on the left and right even in this thread have now become part of the presidential campaign officially.
How is Biden going to tell the wedding photographers that their families are going to starve and lose their businesses and homes? What is he going to tell all those out of work "deplorables" in the swing states that they have to stand in food lines? I'm not sure this is a good campaign strategy on his part when even Democrat governors are trying hard to keep their economies open.
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So Biden drew a line in the sand and said he will shut down the economy again if the scientists tell him too. So everything we've been arguing on the left and right even in this thread have now become part of the presidential campaign officially.
How is Biden going to tell the wedding photographers that their families are going to starve and lose their businesses and homes? What is he going to tell all those out of work "deplorables" in the swing states that they have to stand in food lines? I'm not sure this is a good campaign strategy on his part when even Democrat governors are trying hard to keep their economies open.
We don't know yet but I think the best approach would be a shutdown in combination with some kind of assistance to help us all through it. Yes it will be expensive. Especially now that we are this far in.
Better than denial or claims of it magically going away with zero credible supporting evidence. Those have proven to be pretty ineffective.
Time for a different approach with some actual leadership at the top and a solid scientific foundation.
It's a bitter pill to swallow and the longer we wait the worse it gets. I agree it may not be the best campaign strategy for the scientifically illiterate but I'd rather hear straight talk than BS even when it's not good news. I think to people who respect the scientific community's recommendations it's a reasonable and honest thing to say.
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How is Biden going to tell the wedding photographers that their families are going to starve and lose their businesses and homes?
Dunno. How is Trump telling families that their breadwinner is now dead?
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Dunno. How is Trump telling families that their breadwinner is now dead?
No one is twisting the breadwinners' arms. It's up to them. Like our Joe Kitchen or Craig Lamson here, it's a personal decision. If they want to chance it, well that's what liberty is all about. We don't need government telling us how to live all the time. For old guys like me who are retired and not working, we can stay home to be safe. I still get my Social Security and pension. I shop by phone. I do curbside pickups or have deliveries to my home. But even I have to chance things. I've been to NYC three times for medical and dental reasons. Ditto here in New Jersey. I don't like taking chances even with masks and 6 feet. But I have to get on with life too. So do people who work. Government support only goes so far. What good is money from the government if they don't let you open your store, restaurant, gym, barber shop, or photography and wedding store? You spend your whole life putting it together. It provides security for you and your family. It's not easy to tell your children they'll have to tighten their belts because daddy and mommy lost their business.
NYC government is begging businesses not to close down or leave NYC. Come back and open your stores they're being implored. Things are so dire there even anti-Trump, left leaning Democrat ideologies like Gov Cuomo and Mayor Di Blasio know the city will fail if we don't get back to some form of normality. They're asking millionaires and billionaires not to leave. Cuomo is against raising their taxes because he knows they'll move to states with lower state taxes or none at all like Florida. Higher taxes will bankrupt the state quicker.
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No one is twisting the breadwinners' arms. It's up to them.
People decide to get covid? Wow!
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People decide to get covid? Wow!
That's a false choice. It's not a binary outcome. Most working people will not get Covid and die just like most people won't get into an accident and die when they drive their cars. Of course, there's always that possibility. Certainly working to support your family is a huge incentive to take risks. Especially when you consider people are taking risks just going out to restaurants now.
Which reminds of the guy who asked his wife what she was making for dinner. She responded, "I'm making reservations." :)
In any case, politically and economically, Biden wanting to shut down the economy is a loser.
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Long-form thoughtful article about the lack of ideas in modern politics, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039). This article is written primarily about the current US Republican party but the theme is more general than that, imo.
Good article. Worth the read.
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No one is twisting the breadwinners' arms. It's up to them. Like our Joe Kitchen or Craig Lamson here, it's a personal decision. If they want to chance it, well that's what liberty is all about. We don't need government telling us how to live all the time.
Absolutely! Screw everybody else, I make my OWN decisions.
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Absolutely! Screw everybody else, I make my OWN decisions.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm not locking down again. I really dont care anymore, and no one is going to make me care enough to follow another lockdown let along support it.
Sorry, we just cant live like this anymore for an extremely survivable virus.
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Long-form thoughtful article about the lack of ideas in modern politics, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/24/republicanmeltdown-trump-convention-400039). This article is written primarily about the current US Republican party but the theme is more general than that, imo.
What happens when a party gives up on ideas? You get what happened last week! ;) Seriously, give me one idea that was put forth last week, just one? All that was said boiled down to Trump is bad and Biden is good who is liked by his wife. No policies were discussed at all, nor were the riots even acknowledged. The Dems have lost, they just don't know it yet.
But anyway, I am glad someone found a locking eye glass to see into the future since, I mean how else could he know something that did not happen yet was a meltdown.
By the way, viewership for the DNC was down 21% from where it was in 2016. Let's see where viewership for the RNC is by the end of week.
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Absolutely! Screw everybody else, I make my OWN decisions.
Telling people who want to feed their families that they're immoral is a self-centered position to take. So your attitude is screw them, I count more than they and their children do. That's exactly why this is a losing position for Biden. It's the same position Hillary took when she said screw the coal miners and their jobs and families. Green energy is more important than their ability to work and feed their families. If Biden keeps that up, he'll be commiserating with Hillary.
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Telling people who want to feed their families that they're immoral is a self-centered position to take.
Who said that?
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Telling people who want to feed their families that they're immoral is a self-centered position to take.
That's quite possibly true. I didn't take that position. You made that up all by yourself.
So your attitude is screw them, I count more than they and their children do.
Please don't tell me what my attitude is. You're frequently wrong about many things and you're wrong about this.
My sarcastic comment was directed at those who refuse to comply with simple rules that benefit everybody.
As opposed to complying with their own rules that benefit themselves at the expense of everybody.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm not locking down again. I really dont care anymore, and no one is going to make me care enough to follow another lockdown let along support it.
Sorry, we just cant live like this anymore for an extremely survivable virus.
Survivable for you, perhaps (or perhaps not) but less so for the older people you come into contact with. Still, you're the only one who matters, right?
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Telling people who want to feed their families that they're immoral is a self-centered position to take. So your attitude is screw them, I count more than they and their children do. That's exactly why this is a losing position for Biden. It's the same position Hillary took when she said screw the coal miners and their jobs and families. Green energy is more important than their ability to work and feed their families. If Biden keeps that up, he'll be commiserating with Hillary.
You are getting into a muddle again. The ones saying "screw them" are the ones who consider themselves above simple publc health advice. They are the ones (like Trump) who are saying screw workers and their families - either they go out and propagate the virus or they starve. 170,000 paid the price of that attitude, and you're not done yet by a long way.
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Who said that?
Lou Dobbs? Just a guess...
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I think you all are right. Biden should confirm his position that he will shut down the economy at the first hint there might be a problem with Covid spreading. Trump needs all the help he can get.
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No one is twisting the breadwinners' arms. It's up to them. Like our Joe Kitchen or Craig Lamson here, it's a personal decision. If they want to chance it, well that's what liberty is all about. We don't need government telling us how to live all the time. For old guys like me who are retired and not working, we can stay home to be safe. I still get my Social Security and pension. I shop by phone. I do curbside pickups or have deliveries to my home. But even I have to chance things. I've been to NYC three times for medical and dental reasons. Ditto here in New Jersey. I don't like taking chances even with masks and 6 feet. But I have to get on with life too. So do people who work. Government support only goes so far. What good is money from the government if they don't let you open your store, restaurant, gym, barber shop, or photography and wedding store? You spend your whole life putting it together. It provides security for you and your family. It's not easy to tell your children they'll have to tighten their belts because daddy and mommy lost their business.
NYC government is begging businesses not to close down or leave NYC. Come back and open your stores they're being implored. Things are so dire there even anti-Trump, left leaning Democrat ideologies like Gov Cuomo and Mayor Di Blasio know the city will fail if we don't get back to some form of normality. They're asking millionaires and billionaires not to leave. Cuomo is against raising their taxes because he knows they'll move to states with lower state taxes or none at all like Florida. Higher taxes will bankrupt the state quicker.
How happy would you be to have Joe Kitchen leave an unmasked photo shoot and then come around and hang out in your...kitchen? Because that's apparently what he's doing to others of his potential victims. Joe may come through completely undamaged by the virus, but if he gets it, and spreads it, will everybody be unharmed? That's the problem the rest of us have. If Joe doesn't mind getting the virus, that's his problem; our problem is that he spreads it to others.
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That's the problem the rest of us have. If Joe doesn't mind getting the virus, that's his problem; our problem is that he spreads it to others.
... and *THAT* is so bleedin’ obvious that it beggars belief that it still needs repeating.
Alan Klein,
please, please - read more, post less.
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I think you all are right. Biden should confirm his position that he will shut down the economy at the first hint there might be a problem with Covid spreading. Trump needs all the help he can get.
Biden says "I would listen to the scientists" and in your mind you hear "at the first hint there might be a problem". This is the problem with devotion to an ideology. It distorts your perception of reality.
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How happy would you be to have Joe Kitchen leave an unmasked photo shoot and then come around and hang out in your...kitchen? Because that's apparently what he's doing to others of his potential victims. Joe may come through completely undamaged by the virus, but if he gets it, and spreads it, will everybody be unharmed? That's the problem the rest of us have. If Joe doesn't mind getting the virus, that's his problem; our problem is that he spreads it to others.
No. I wouldn't let Joe into my kitchen unless I chose to do that and had a good reason for it. No friends have visited me in my home since this started. I don't invite them. That's my freedom. I'm 75 on SS with a pension. Older people like me don't have to go to work. Others do. Two days ago, a contractor without a mask came by at my invitation to survey an installation of a emergency generator for my home. He was 72. I was annoyed and he put a mask on. We did business outside. His mask kept slipping beneath his nose. That bothered me but I knew I was taking a risk regardless. I could have decided not to install a generator. That was my choice. My neighbor, another old guy, also had to be persuaded to put a mask on when I went to talk to him about the generator. His mask kept slipping beneath his nose too. I think we need tailored masks. :)
None of us needed government to tell us what to do. We all felt it was in our interest to take a chance or modify our behavior accordingly. He had a business to keep going. I wanted an emergency generator to protect my family and home during the next power outage. (We lost power for 4 days during the storm two weeks ago.) While I think Joe ought to wear a mask when around other people, that's not the main question. That's a straw man. The main arguments is whether we should be shutting the economy down again as Biden proposes. People have figured out the risk and should be allowed to decide whether they want to work or not. We don't need government deciding for them.
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The main arguments is whether we should be shutting the economy down again as Biden proposes.
Biden isn't proposing that we should shut down the economy.
That's a straw man.
Yes. Yes it is indeed.
* straw man - an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
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Biden isn't proposing that we should shut down the economy.
Yes. Yes it is indeed.
* straw man - an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
Biden wants to shut down the economy if scientists recommend it. Trump takes the opposite position as most governors and people do especially those out of work and who have small businesses. But if you think Biden is right, I encourage you to support his position.
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I'm with the scientists. All the way.
Politicians? Uh....
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Biden wants to shut down the economy if scientists recommend it. Trump takes the opposite position as most governors and people do especially those out of work and who have small businesses. But if you think Biden is right, I encourage you to support his position.
Biden said that he would be "prepared to do whatever it takes" to save lives and control the virus and would shut down if scientists determine that's what is needed. Being prepared and willing to do something is not the same as "proposing" an action as something that you "want" to do. But if you hear what is said, you remember a distorted version that conforms to what you want to believe.
Transcript
MUIR: You talk about the science. If you're sworn in come January, and, and we have coronavirus and the flu combining, which many scientists have said is a real possibility, would you be prepared to shut this country down again?
BIDEN: I will be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw of this administration's thinking to begin with. In order to keep the country running and moving and the economy growing, and people employed, you have to fix the virus, you have to deal with the virus.
MUIR: So if the scientists say shut it down?
BIDEN: I would shut it down, I would listen to the scientists.
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Biden said that he would be "prepared to do whatever it takes" to save lives and control the virus and would shut down if scientists determine that's what is needed. Being prepared and willing to do something is not the same as "proposing" an action as something that you "want" to do. But if you hear what is said, you remember a distorted version that conforms to what you want to believe.
Transcript
MUIR: You talk about the science. If you're sworn in come January, and, and we have coronavirus and the flu combining, which many scientists have said is a real possibility, would you be prepared to shut this country down again?
BIDEN: I will be prepared to do whatever it takes to save lives because we cannot get the country moving until we control the virus. That is the fundamental flaw of this administration's thinking to begin with. In order to keep the country running and moving and the economy growing, and people employed, you have to fix the virus, you have to deal with the virus.
MUIR: So if the scientists say shut it down?
BIDEN: I would shut it down, I would listen to the scientists.
Political doublespeak. Biden's good at that. They take all positions so they can flip-flop later.
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I'm with the scientists. All the way.
Politicians? Uh....
You forgot economists. What if you chief economist tell you, "MR. President. If you shut down the country again. We'll have millions of people starving. There will be social unrest like we've never seen. People will have no place to live. Homeless on the street will look like California. The Fed can;t print money forever. You have to keep the economy open come hell or high water."
The scientist might say that we have to shut it down to save lives medically. A real conundrum. Insolvable to any bit of perfection. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
It might be that a midcourse has to be done. The economy suffers and more people get Covid. But neither is catastrophic.
War is like that.
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Political doublespeak. Biden's good at that. They take all positions so they can flip-flop later.
Based on what Biden actually said and previous statements he's made, my takeaway from the transcript is that Biden believes that the only sustainable way to stabilize the economy for the long term and get it moving and growing again is to get the virus under control and he's prepared to do whatever it takes and will listen to advice from medical experts in order to make that a reality. In order for the economy to return to some normalcy, people have to feel safe to go out and interact with people again.
But you say that it's, "his position that he that he will shut down the economy at the first hint there might be a problem" or "shutting the economy down again as Biden proposes" even though he's not proposing that, only stating that he's prepared to do so if needed. Who's engaged in "political doublespeak" here?
When called on the fact that Biden hadn't made any such proposal or statements, then you try to clean it up a bit with "Biden wants to shut down the economy if scientists recommend it. Who is the flip-flopper?
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It might be that a midcourse has to be done. The economy suffers and more people get Covid. But neither is catastrophic.
It might seem catastrophic to the people who die and to their loved ones, and to people left with permanent impairment.
War is like that.
War is national leadership calling on its citizens to work together for a common cause in combating a dangerous threat and uniting the nation to support a plan to do so. Something that we haven't seen yet in this crisis.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm not locking down again. I really dont care anymore, and no one is going to make me care enough to follow another lockdown let along support it.
Sorry, we just cant live like this anymore for an extremely survivable virus.
Tell that to the 177,000 compatriots who sadly haven't.
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Where do you want to be on this graph showing the link between economic hit and covid hit?
https://twitter.com/proftimbale/status/1297883905761173504?s=21
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Where do you want to be on this graph showing the link between economic hit and covid hit?
https://twitter.com/proftimbale/status/1297883905761173504?s=21
Good to see the UK tops the charts at something.
World class and world beating.
:-(
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Survivable for you, perhaps (or perhaps not) but less so for the older people you come into contact with. Still, you're the only one who matters, right?
Those older people can choose to stay in their house if they feel that way.
Like I mentioned before, for those who want to stay inside, making the lockdown voluntary or required matters not. For those who don't, it makes a huge difference.
And after 165+ days of this, sorry, but I just don't care anymore.
Tell that to the 177,000 compatriots who sadly haven't.
Along with the 3M others who will die this year as well, many of which would be prevented if only ...
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Those older people can choose to stay in their house if they feel that way.
Yep - just as long as you can do as you please.
Like I mentioned before, for those who want to stay inside, making the lockdown voluntary or required matters not. For those who don't, it makes a huge difference.
And after 165+ days of this, sorry, but I just don't care anymore.
Reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw - "If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk".
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How happy would you be to have Joe Kitchen leave an unmasked photo shoot and then come around and hang out in your...kitchen? Because that's apparently what he's doing to others of his potential victims. Joe may come through completely undamaged by the virus, but if he gets it, and spreads it, will everybody be unharmed? That's the problem the rest of us have. If Joe doesn't mind getting the virus, that's his problem; our problem is that he spreads it to others ...
who can stay inside and limit who is allowed in their houses if they are so concerned. If you insist on locking yourself away in your basement for the rest of the year and into next Spring, be my guest. But don't dictate your fears, and their consequences, onto me.
As I said before, this is an unsustainable path we are on, and we need to get back to living. What life is a life worth living in constant fear and trepidation, being castrated from all the marrow happiness and fulfillment brings?
And FYI, for all indoor shoots, I require my staff (and myself) to wear masks. I just refuse to wear masks outside and give into that hysteria when it has been shown it is nearly impossible to catch this outside.
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... and *THAT* is so bleedin’ obvious that it beggars belief that it still needs repeating.
Alan Klein,
please, please - read more, post less.
What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population. Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery. If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does. But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone.
All this makes me think of a recent job I did in a Jamaican neighborhood. I was outside in front of an old run down store capturing a super wide pano of the street. Anyway, the sidewalk in front of this store has become the neighborhood hang out since no one is using the store front anymore (typical city life FYI). About 15 people were out there in folding chairs, most 50 or older, smoking weed, passing it back and forth, a couple had flasks, there was an intense domino game happening, none with any masks on. I had a mask on initially, but took it off after seeing this, because, what's the point. It turns out, many in the hood liked my Akubra hat, came over to talk to me and shake my hand like the last 6 months had never happened; I did not refuse them. Two of the production people came, and same deal. The DP showed up and same deal.
Point being, no body wants lockdowns anymore except for White Liberal Elites, the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016, and you guys are doing it all over again. Not just with this either, but all the defund the Police talk too; 80% of blacks want policing to remain the same or increased.
As Elon Musk recently put it, "the Left is losing the middle."
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Quote from: Manoli on 24 August 2020, 23:01:43
... and *THAT* is so bleedin’ obvious that it beggars belief that it still needs repeating.
What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population. Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery. If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does. But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone.
You tried, Manoli, you tried.
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Biden said that he would be "prepared to do whatever it takes" to save lives and control the virus and would shut down if scientists determine that's what is needed.
Did Biden mention what the percentage of scientists recommending the shut-down would cause him to comply? A greater than 50% consensus, or a perhaps a 97% consensus? ;D
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FYI, I'm not one to watch political conventions of either side since I have better things to do, like putting my face into a blender. I watched the highlights from last week and looking over the highlights of last night.
Doom and gloom, vs. inspiration and uplifting seem to be the contrast. I particularly liked Tim Scott's line, "my family went from cotton to congress in one lifetime." That's going to resinate with people more then the entirety of last week will.
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Heads up, cowboy, you seem to have clipped your footer.
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Marina Hyde has an excellent take on the RNC and its portrayal of "family values"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/25/trumps-republicans-family-don-rnc-americans-conway
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Heads up, cowboy, you seem to have clipped your footer.
A limit on the amount of characters has been implemented and I cant seem to put the entire quote back in.
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Marina Hyde has an excellent take on the RNC and its portrayal of "family values"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/25/trumps-republicans-family-don-rnc-americans-conway
Ahhh yes, lets make fun of someone's family issue when an underage child is involved. Real class act! Do you also steal candy from a baby?
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A limit on the amount of characters has been implemented and I cant seem to put the entire quote back in.
You could try 1% and 99%, or is that just too left field for a cowboy?
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You could try 1% and 99%, or is that just too left field for a cowboy?
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Well, according to my grade school grammer teacher, numerals less then 10 should always be spelled, and if you spell one numeral, you should have them all spelled. But anyway, even with the numerals, the quote I think would be too long, but I'll give it a try.
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What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside,
“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
As for your recent work experience, Joe, I spent most of my career on movie sets. They’re not exactly paragons of excellent social behaviour.
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Speaking of dysfunctional families, imagine facing this over your Cornflakes
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What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population. Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery. If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does. But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone.
All this makes me think of a recent job I did in Mt Vernon, a heavily Jamaican neighborhood, last week. I was outside in front of an old run down out of business furniture store capturing a super wide pano of the street to be used in a backdrop print for a sound stage. (No, I cant tell you for what TV show, but it is for one of the top 5 currently.) But anyway, the sidewalk in front of this store has become the neighborhood hang out since no one is using the store front anymore (typical city life FYI). About 15 people were out there in folding chairs, most 50 or older, smoking weed, passing it back and forth, a couple had flasks, there was an intense domino game happening, none with any masks on. I had a mask on initially, but took it off after seeing this, because, what's the point. It turns out, many in the hood liked my Akubra hat, came over to talk to me and shake my hand like the last 6 months had never happened; I did not refuse them. Two of the production people came, and same deal. The DP showed up without any mask to be seen at all and started elbow bumping & shaking hands with everyone on the sidewalk, BSing up a storm. (They have been filming there for a while and he has gotten to know many in the neighborhood.)
Point being, no body wants lockdowns anymore except for White Liberal Elites, the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016, and you guys are doing it all over again. Not just with this either, but all the defund the Police talk too; 80% of blacks want policing to remain the same or increased.
As Elon Musk recently put it, "the Left is losing the middle."
Joe, you don't owe anyone any apologies, not that you're giving them. You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs. It was hard enough for working photographers before the virus.
Curious how many here complaining about you working have a comfy job that allows them to work from home, safe, without the need for a mask? They're able to feed their families without risk.
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You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs.
Who among us have complained that Joe is working?
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“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
As for your recent work experience, Joe, I spent most of my career on movie sets. They’re not exactly paragons of excellent social behaviour.
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Aside from myself, the DP and two production guys, the rest of the people in my story were just neighborhood folks hanging out and enjoying the nice evening. So no, I was not basing my observation on the production crew, but just normal people getting on with life.
Insofar as lock them up, your side is proposing locking everyone up regardless. I am not proposing locking anyone up, just that it is a free country and if you are fearful you are free to lock yourself up.
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Joe, you don't owe anyone any apologies, not that you're giving them. You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs. It was hard enough for working photographers before the virus.
Curious how many here complaining about you working have a comfy job that allows them to work from home, safe, without the need for a mask? They're able to feed their families without risk.
And that's the crux of it. If they can work at home and stay locked up, then everyone should be locked up too. As Andrew Yang said recently, the Dems say they have the best ideas and then act like if you don't agree that's on you.
I am sure many more on here would be upset to hear my wife and I have eaten out at restaurants a half dozen times or so in the last month, indoors even. We also hosted two dinner parties, family only, one last night. (The pork belly came out amazing; cooked it with fennel and mustard seed.)
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What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population. Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery. If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does. But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone.
And the stay-in old person gets covid from the food delivery person who got it from her brother who got it during a photo shoot.
...the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016
If "everyone" means a significant minority of voters, then this is true.
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And the stay-in old person gets covid from the food delivery person who got it from her brother who got it during a photo shoot.
If "everyone" means a significant minority of voters, then this is true.
Yawn.
My neighbor is scared to death of this thing and has all of his food delivered. He lets it sit outside for an hour before going out to get it, even if there is ice cream in the delivery. As a matter of fact we, as a neighborhood, had to threaten reporting him to the city to get him to cut his grass after four months.
So once again, this comment pretty much falls apart if you give it some thought.
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Hell, Joe, have the courage of your convictions, just go out and lick those handrails. You'll either get the virus, survive and have some immunity or you'll meet your maker. Either way it'll put you and us out of your misery.
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Hell, Joe, have the courage of your convictions, just go out and lick those handrails. You'll either get the virus, survive and have some immunity or you'll meet your maker. Either way it'll put you and us out of your misery.
Lick handrails, Jesus, what kind of fetishes are you into?
But anyway, I've been going out like it's 1999 for the past two months. I ain't scare of no ghost, or dying from Covid. That is not to say I dont think I'll catch it, just that, given the stats, that I wont die or have any long term side effects if I do.
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Lick handrails, Jesus, what kind of fetishes are you into?
But anyway, I've been going out like it's 1999 for the past two months. I ain't scare of no ghost, or dying from Covid. That is not to say I dont think I'll catch it, just that, given the stats, that I wont die or have any long term side effects if I do.
Attaboy Attacowboy.
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Lick handrails, Jesus, what kind of fetishes are you into?
But anyway, I've been going out like it's 1999 for the past two months. I ain't scare of no ghost, or dying from Covid. That is not to say I dont think I'll catch it, just that, given the stats, that I wont die or have any long term side effects if I do.
And you don't care about the people you may pass it on to. "Class act".
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Who among us have complained that Joe is working?
You could have fooled me. Ever since Joe said in June I think it was that he as going back to work, everyone has been on his back like he's some sort of leper. It's refreshing to hear that you're happy he's working.
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And the stay-in old person gets covid from the food delivery person who got it from her brother who got it during a photo shoot.
If "everyone" means a significant minority of voters, then this is true.
My wife and I just did a curbside pickup of groceries from the supermarket. We both wore masks, kept the windows partially open, and the stock boy had a mask on as he put the bags in the trunk. All the groceries were disinfected when we got home.
The more younger people who get sick is actually better for older people as I see it. The quicker that happens, the faster we old people can get out and live normally. The slower it happens, just means we have to stay hidden longer in the basement like Biden, another old fart. :)
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Hell, Joe, have the courage of your convictions, just go out and lick those handrails. You'll either get the virus, survive and have some immunity or you'll meet your maker. Either way it'll put you and us out of your misery.
Wow. That just shows how the left thinks. They rather see the economy fail if it helps Trump lose.
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Wow. That just shows how the left thinks. They rather see the economy fail if it helps Trump lose.
My comment had nothing at all to do with Trump and everything to do with Joe's misery.
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The more younger people who get sick is actually better for older people as I see it. The quicker that happens, the faster we old people can get out and live normally. The slower it happens, just means we have to stay hidden longer in the basement like Biden, another old fart. :)
Again with the "herd immunity" fantasy. Better hope you have a comfy chair in your cellar.
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Wow. That just shows how the left thinks. They rather see the economy fail if it helps Trump lose.
Shared sacrifice in the name of a greater good.
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Watch what you pray for. You may get it.
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Speaking of more lockdown, this just in from the NYTs.
Biden’s Loose Lips Could Sink His Chances; We elect presidents to lead, not defer. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/opinion/bidens-loose-lips-could-sink-his-chances.html)
The sub-title could be better.
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Speaking of more lockdown, this just in from the NYTs.
Biden’s Loose Lips Could Sink His Chances; We elect presidents to lead, not defer. (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/opinion/bidens-loose-lips-could-sink-his-chances.html)
The sub-title could be better.
Like I said earlier, he stuck his foot in it. Only the left wants to shut down the economy. He bought into it because he's like a sponge absorbing everything the left wants. Unlike Trump who you know where he stands, Biden blends in like a chameleon without a mind of his own. He's politically blind that it's just the same voters who gave Trump his victory in 2016 who need to work to feed their family like the coal miners then. He's repeating Hillary's mistake by approving their out-of-work problems, worse encouraging it by telling them to stay home.
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What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population.
No, Joe, not even close.
And again, no, I’m not going to engage further - John Camp answered Alan Klein’s earlier post succinctly in post #1122 .
Shouldn’t be too hard to comprehend.
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No, Joe, not even close.
And again, no, I’m not going to engage further - John Camp answered Alan Klein’s earlier post succinctly in post #1122 .
Shouldn’t be too hard to comprehend.
You have your views, I have mine, and, well, we both seem to be beyond the point of discussing them to come to an agreement at this point.
However, I would contest that you and so many others on the left decided far before this point for all of us without asking our permission, and that no compromise was even going to be discussed. And that is what the average person despises so much about your side. Fact is, you and so many other leftist elites have left us with only one option, rebel.
But anyway, your way of thinking has fallen to the side in the last weeks. Seen the Wall Street Journal lately? Your side has lost. There will be no more lockdowns, in this country at least.
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Wow. That just shows how the left thinks. They rather see the economy fail if it helps Trump lose.
No. Your comment shows how you think. You assign evil intent and motive to those with different opinions from you. Very sad.
Only the left wants to shut down the economy.
Only in your fevered imagination does anyone want to shut down the economy. There's a difference between having a desire to shut down the economy and responding to a deadly and highly contagious pandemic, but you feel it necessary to assign the worst motives that you can.
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However, I would contest that you and so many others on the left decided far before this point for all of us without asking our permission, and that no compromise was even going to be discussed. And that is what the average person despises so much about your side. Fact is, you and so many other leftist elites have left us with only one option, rebel.
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No. Your comment shows how you think. You assign evil intent and motive to those with different opinions from you. Very sad.
Only in your fevered imagination does anyone want to shut down the economy. There's a difference between having a desire to shut down the economy and responding to a deadly and highly contagious pandemic, but you feel it necessary to assign the worst motives that you can.
The election is coming down to the economy and how many people are sick. Trump is spending the country into oblivion and providing unconstitutional money for the unemployed to increase his chance of winning. Pelosi refuses to vote the unemployed money figuring they'll blame Trump and vote for Biden. Covid is a fig leaf to cover what's really going on. That's how the game is played.
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The election is coming down to the economy and how many people are sick. Trump is spending the country into oblivion and providing unconstitutional money for the unemployed to increase his chance of winning. Pelosi refuses to vote the unemployed money figuring they'll blame Trump and vote for Biden. Covid is a fig leaf to cover what's really going on. That's how the game is played.
And that's the way it is, folks. August, 2020. Good night and good luck.
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Did Biden mention what the percentage of scientists recommending the shut-down would cause him to comply? A greater than 50% consensus, or a perhaps a 97% consensus? ;D
I don't know. But I'm confident that the medical science advice that he gets will be from actual experts in their field and not some guy that hawks pillows on TV that's discovered a miracle cure or graduates from Dunning Kruger University that prefer to pontificate online instead of participating in peer review.
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I don't know. But I'm confident that the medical science advice that he gets will be from actual experts in their field and not some guy that hawks pillows on TV that's discovered a miracle cure or graduates from Dunning Kruger University that prefer to pontificate online instead of participating in peer review.
Biden wil do what his Democrat masters tell him to do.
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... Democrat masters ...
The Illuminati? Noooo, say it ain't so.
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I don't know. But I'm confident that the medical science advice that he gets will be from actual experts in their field and not some guy that hawks pillows on TV that's discovered a miracle cure or graduates from Dunning Kruger University that prefer to pontificate online instead of participating in peer review.
Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.
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Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.
Yes, Ray. We do know that.
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Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.
Indeed, but just because experts disagree that's no reason to drink bleach, or whatever the nutters are telling us to do today.
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Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.
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Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.
Pity those who have eyes but cannot see.
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Pity those who have eyes but cannot see.
Imagine ; being a photographer
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The Illuminati? Noooo, say it ain't so.
Better the illuminati than the illiterati ;).
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Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.
We are at a point where the Republican discourse is completely disconnected from reality.
When Trump looks at a sign where “yes” is written. He looks you in the eye and says “the signs says No”. And calls liers the media saying “the sign says Yes”. There is no more hope to have those guys deliver anything valuable ever.
The only question to me, that would separate them between idiots or monsters, is whether they believe their own lies.
So whatever they say about Biden, Michael Jackson or the Dalailama is irrelevant because they have made their speech irrelevant by deconnecting it from reality.
Cheers,
Bernard
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We are at a point where the Republican discourse is completely disconnected from reality.
When Trump looks at a sign where “yes” is written. He looks you in the eye and says “the signs says No”. And calls liers the media saying “the sign says Yes”. There is no more hope to have those guys deliver anything valuable ever.
The only question to me, that would separate them between idiots or monsters, is whether they believe their own lies.
So whatever they say about Biden, Michael Jackson or the Dalailama is irrelevant because they have made their speech irrelevant by deconnecting it from reality.
Cheers,
Bernard
They live in their made up world. In the meantime, we have a boycot in the NBA due to the Blake shooting.
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Yes, Ray. We do know that.
But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?
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But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?
You seem like a bright guy. I suspect you have followed an expert's recommendation in the past and you are still alive, so I would go with whatever worked for you before. There is very little certainty in life, so you can only do your best, knowing that you and others will make mistakes.
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But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?
Ask Alan K., he worries about this a lot so he must have a best practice. :)
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Ask Alan K., he worries about this a lot so he must have a best practice. :)
I check with my wife. :)
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Washington Post today:
"Trump has now visited his own properties 270 times as president, according to a Washington Post tally — with another visit planned for Thursday, when he is scheduled to meet GOP donors at his Washington hotel.
Through these trips, Trump has brought the Trump Organization a stream of private revenue from federal agencies and GOP campaign groups. Federal spending records show that taxpayers have paid Trump’s businesses more than $900,000 since he took office. At least $570,000 came as a result of the president’s travel, according to a Post analysis."
"In addition, campaign finance records have provided new details about the payments the Trump Organization received from GOP groups, as a result of the 37 instances in which Trump headlined a political event at one of his properties. Those visits have brought the company at least $3.8 million in fees, according to a Post analysis of campaign spending records."
A million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.
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Washington Post today:
"Trump has now visited his own properties 270 times as president, according to a Washington Post tally — with another visit planned for Thursday, when he is scheduled to meet GOP donors at his Washington hotel.
Through these trips, Trump has brought the Trump Organization a stream of private revenue from federal agencies and GOP campaign groups. Federal spending records show that taxpayers have paid Trump’s businesses more than $900,000 since he took office. At least $570,000 came as a result of the president’s travel, according to a Post analysis."
"In addition, campaign finance records have provided new details about the payments the Trump Organization received from GOP groups, as a result of the 37 instances in which Trump headlined a political event at one of his properties. Those visits have brought the company at least $3.8 million in fees, according to a Post analysis of campaign spending records."
A million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.
Well, I've offered my house. But the White House says the president prefers his house.
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The Democrats are really worried. Looks like Biden doesn't want to show his senility. They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president.
Pelosi says Biden shouldn't debate Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/pelosi-biden-trump-debates/index.html
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The Democrats are really worried. Looks like Biden doesn't want to show his senility. They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president.
From the article you linked:
"Asked later Thursday on MSNBC if he would consider not debating Trump, Biden replied, "No. As long as the Commission (on Presidential Debates) continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him."
"I know for certain, I'm gonna be a fact-checker on the floor while I'm debating him," he added.
Responding to Pelosi's comments, Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said the campaign certainly agrees with the speaker's views of Trump's behavior.
"But just as she has powerfully confronted that behavior in the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room, Joe Biden looks forward to doing the same on the debate stage," Bates said in a statement Thursday."
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Interesting that Trump's job approval has gone up - to 52% including 36% among Blacks and 37% among Hispanics. Don't know how this translate to votes as he's still behind but not as much. Also, 55% of Americans think that Biden is in the first stages of senility. Considering he's only a couple of years older than me, that's not very comforting. :o
https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/952-the-zogby-poll-new-trump-job-approval-numbers
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From the article you linked:
"Asked later Thursday on MSNBC if he would consider not debating Trump, Biden replied, "No. As long as the Commission (on Presidential Debates) continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him."
"I know for certain, I'm gonna be a fact-checker on the floor while I'm debating him," he added.
Responding to Pelosi's comments, Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said the campaign certainly agrees with the speaker's views of Trump's behavior.
"But just as she has powerfully confronted that behavior in the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room, Joe Biden looks forward to doing the same on the debate stage," Bates said in a statement Thursday."
Maybe Pelosi floated up a trial balloon to see how people would react and got too many negatives. So Biden came back strongly affirming he'll be at the debate. Or it's still a possibility. Or, Biden will do OK in the debates, so they're figuring that would be a knockout against Trump who should not overplay his hand with Biden's possible incapacitates.
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Maybe Pelosi floated up a trial balloon to see how people would react and got too many negatives. So Biden came back strongly affirming he'll be at the debate. Or it's still a possibility. Or, Biden will do OK in the debates, so they're figuring that would be a knockout against Trump who should not overplay his hand with Biden's possible incapacitates.
Maybe a lot of stuff. Or maybe not.
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They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president.
You've been advocating for that for 4+ years. What your point?
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Maybe a lot of stuff. Or maybe not.
Pelosi and the Democrats are coordinating with the Biden campaign. Not much happens if it wasn't planned.
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You've been advocating for that for 4+ years. What your point?
You can say all you want about Trump. But he's on his game.
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Pelosi and the Democrats are coordinating with the Biden campaign. Not much happens if it wasn't planned.
Tell me something: are you an adherent to QAnon? Could you tell me if you were, or is everyone sworn to secrecy?
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Tell me something: are you an adherent to QAnon? Could you tell me if you were, or is everyone sworn to secrecy?
What is that?
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You've been advocating for that for 4+ years. What your point?
Ours is better than yours.... :)
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What is that?
As I suspected.
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What's QAnon?
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Ours is better than yours.... :)
Agree to disagree ;)
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You can say all you want about Trump. But he's on his game.
What game is that? Golf? He cheats.
The guy cheats at golf and you want him as your leader?
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What game is that? Golf? He cheats.
The guy cheats at golf and you want him as your leader?
Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."
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Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."
Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.
He plagiarized South Korean, British and American politicians' speeches including JFK which forced him to stop his campaign for president in 1987. He plagiarized in law school. He was caught and the college flunked him forcing him to repeat the course. He even plagiarized Trump.
Joe Biden's Plagiarism Problem
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/23/joe_bidens_plagiarism_problem_143788.html
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Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."
There is nothing like golf to reveal the true character of an individual.
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Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.
Notice the whataboutism. Unable to defend the indefensible - Trump cheating at golf - Alan deflects the conversation to Biden.
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Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.
He even plagiarized Trump.
That WOULD explain his occasional incoherence.
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Notice the whataboutism. Unable to defend the indefensible - Trump cheating at golf - Alan deflects the conversation to Biden.
I responded to this point in the other thread. I called Trump's cheating at golf immoral and possibly illegal. But Biden's plagiarism was illegal and he failed the course when caught and had to repeat it in law college. He also had to pull out of the 1988 presidential election when he was caught plagiarizing a UK minister, JFK, the South Korean PM, and others.
Look, I'm not defending Trump's often unethical ways. But Biden has done many professional and personal things his mother wouldn't be proud of either. And we have to pick one or the other. Neither have clean hands. So we have to use other guidelines to make our selection.
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I responded to this point in the other thread. I called Trump's cheating at golf immoral and possibly illegal. But Biden's plagiarism was illegal and he failed the course when caught and had to repeat it in law college. He also had to pull out of the 1988 presidential election when he was caught plagiarizing a UK minister, JFK, the South Korean PM, and others.
Look, I'm not defending Trump's often unethical ways. But Biden has done many professional and personal things his mother wouldn't be proud of either. And we have to pick one or the other. Neither have clean hands. So we have to use other guidelines to make our selection.
It is still whataboutism. It is a logical fallacy in argumentation. We were discussing Trump cheating at golf. Instead of addressing the issue, you tried to change the subject to avoid responding. I can readily understand your motive. Cheating at golf is indefensible. Doesn't make it any less a logical fallacy.
By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute.
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It is still whataboutism.
By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute.
A few Americans just went to jail for hiring people to test for their kids entrance exams or deceive others to get into college. Using other peoples materials to pass grades especially in order to get a law degree is probably illegal in some jurisdictions. It would be like getting someone to take the bar exam in your place. In any case, I can't believe you're defending Biden's stealing other's intellectual thoughts and product to pass law school and plagiarize speeches of others to become president. Of course the fake news biased media ignore Biden's cheating.
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A few Americans just went to jail for hiring people to test for their kids entrance exams or deceive others to get into college. Using other peoples materials to pass grades especially in order to get a law degree is probably illegal in some jurisdictions. It would be like getting someone to take the bar exam in your place. In any case, I can't believe you're defending Biden's stealing other's intellectual thoughts and product to pass law school and plagiarize speeches of others to become president. Of course the fake news biased media ignore Biden's cheating.
Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?
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Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?
Word for word?
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In any case, I can't believe you're defending Biden's stealing other's intellectual thoughts and product to pass law school and plagiarize speeches of others to become president.
Please point to where I have defended Biden's plagiarism.
Now, in addition to using logical fallacies in your argumentation, you are just making stuff up.
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It is still whataboutism. It is a logical fallacy in argumentation. We were discussing Trump cheating at golf. Instead of addressing the issue, you tried to change the subject to avoid responding. I can readily understand your motive. Cheating at golf is indefensible. Doesn't make it any less a logical fallacy.
By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute.
Really? Golf is a game and unless its a sanctioned competition its a personal thing. But just to be clear here, the context is character and that value in a President? Correct?
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Please point to where I have defended Biden's plagiarism.
Now, in addition to using logical fallacies in your argumentation, you are just making stuff up.
Well, I'm glad you don't defend Biden's plagiarism. The fact is both men are flawed as was Hillary when she ran. So other criteria will have to be used when it comes time to vote.
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Well, I'm glad you don't defend Biden's plagiarism.
Then why did you accuse me of doing so?
The fact is both men are flawed as was Hillary when she ran. So other criteria will have to be used when it comes time to vote.
I don't think acknowledging the fact that Trump cheats at golf or Biden has plagiarized in the past eliminates character as an issue.
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Then why did you accuse me of doing so?
Because you said, "By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute." That sounds like you were excusing Biden's plagiarism. You never mentioned the moral or ethical lapse. But you say that wasn't your intent; that I misinterpreted your words. Well, then, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll let others make their judgment.
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I don't think acknowledging the fact that Trump cheats at golf or Biden has plagiarized in the past eliminates character as an issue.
Well, we understand the Democrats and Biden want to make it the only issue. That's all he's got to run on. And the media will hide Biden;s flaws and dishonesty to the bitter end because they are biased. They want him to win. Hopefully, voters will understand what's going on here and the public will assess both candidates on their ability to protect America, keep us from becoming a Socialist state, and get things done.
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Trying to influence the black vote.
Alice Johnson, pardoned by Trump, was put away for life under Biden-sponsored bill
https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/ex-con-pardoned-by-trump-was-put-away-by-bidens-crime-bill/
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Well, we understand the Democrats and Biden want to make it the only issue. That's all he's got to run on. And the media will hide Biden;s flaws and dishonesty to the bitter end because they are biased. They want him to win. Hopefully, voters will understand what's going on here and the public will assess both candidates on their ability to protect America, keep us from becoming a Socialist state, and get things done.
The Democrats and Biden want to make Trump cheating at golf the only issue in the campaign? I didn't watch the DNC, but I haven't seen any mention of that in the news recently. I think they have more than that to run on. As far as hiding Biden's plagiarism, all you need to do it google that and you get hundreds of stories, so trying to hide it isn't going to be very successful. I didn't watch the RNC (except for about 15 seconds of Kimberly what's her name yelling) either. Did any of the speakers bring up Biden's plagiarism?
By the way, who is the "we" in "Well, we understand..."
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Word for word?
Yes.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jul/19/comparing-melania-trump-michelle-obama-convention-/
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The Democrats and Biden want to make Trump cheating at golf the only issue in the campaign? I didn't watch the DNC, but I haven't seen any mention of that in the news recently. I think they have more than that to run on. As far as hiding Biden's plagiarism, all you need to do it google that and you get hundreds of stories, so trying to hide it isn't going to be very successful. I didn't watch the RNC (except for about 15 seconds of Kimberly what's her name yelling) either. Did any of the speakers bring up Biden's plagiarism?
I didn't watch either the DNC or the RNC. Too boring. Most people don't have time or inclination to Google Biden's plagiarism. I doubt if many know about it or care. They're busy trying to feed their families.
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Yes.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jul/19/comparing-melania-trump-michelle-obama-convention-/
Well, not quite word for word. I really don't care about Melania's plagiarism though. I'm sure she is doing the best she can.
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By the way, who is the "we" in "Well, we understand..."
We Trump supporters...
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Well, not quite word for word. I really don't care about Melania's plagiarism though.
Who watched what she said? :)
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I didn't watch either the DNC or the RNC. Too boring. Most people don't have time or inclination to Google Biden's plagiarism. I doubt if many know about it or care. They're busy trying to feed their families.
Then whom are Biden and the Democrats trying to hide it from?
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Then whom are Biden and the Democrats trying to hide it from?
Well it's hard to highlight Trump's lack of scruples when your own candidate suffers from the same malady.
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Well it's hard to highlight Trump's lack of scruples when your own candidate suffers from the same malady.
That really doesn't answer my question.
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Because you said, "By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute." That sounds like you were excusing Biden's plagiarism. You never mentioned the moral or ethical lapse. But you say that wasn't your intent; that I misinterpreted your words. Well, then, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll let others make their judgment.
Nope. You said Biden's plagiarism was "illegal". I asked you where you came up with the idea that plagiarism was "illegal", and to point to some evidence to support it. The rest you just read into my question of your own accord.
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I think for once we can agree with Ivanka Trump - "his record speaks for itself".
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I think for once we can agree with Ivanka Trump - "his record speaks for itself".
Barron was the lucky one. He got out of having to give a testimonial. It is a terrible idea to have your spouse and kids make testimonials at party conventions. Does any candidate really expect what your spouse and kids have to say will sway any voters? Can't you just parade them all out on stage and hold hands after you have made your acceptance speech? I figure the only reason to do it is that you have too many time slots and can't gin up enough other supporters. Biden did it too so I am not singling out Trump.
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Nope. You said Biden's plagiarism was "illegal". I asked you where you came up with the idea that plagiarism was "illegal", and to point to some evidence to support it. The rest you just read into my question of your own accord.
You're playing word games like the media. Biden plagiarized two presidents, two other politicians and cheated in law college by plagiarizing someone else's work. People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
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You're playing word games like the media. Biden plagiarized two presidents, two other politicians and cheated in law college by plagiarizing someone else's work. People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
How am I playing word games? You are the one that said Biden's plagiarism was "illegal", not me. I just asked you where you got that idea. You just don't want to admit you made it up. Every time you make something up chips away at your credibility.
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Barron was the lucky one. He got out of having to give a testimonial. It is a terrible idea to have your spouse and kids make testimonials at party conventions. Does any candidate really expect what your spouse and kids have to say will sway any voters? Can't you just parade them all out on stage and hold hands after you have made your acceptance speech? I figure the only reason to do it is that you have too many time slots and can't gin up enough other supporters. Biden did it too so I am not singling out Trump.
Biden and his wife held hands with his VP and her husband at the end of the night's proceedings at the convention. They ignored the distance rule while wearing masks. Of course the distance is in flux if you believe the experts. Maybe you can hold hands as long as you wear masks.
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Yes.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jul/19/comparing-melania-trump-michelle-obama-convention-/
FAIL. Wanna try again.
To remind you of the OPs statement:
"Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?"
What part of that confuses you?
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FAIL. Wanna try again.
To remind you of the OPs statement:
"Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?"
What part of that confuses you?
Personally, I'm willing to give Melania a pass on this one, more or less. The excerpts Politifact references (especially the last one) are certainly similar. On the other hand, the sentiments are so generic that I'm not sure even in seeing them that I could express the same idea without sounding substantially similar to one or the other (unless I used some really awkward syntax and verbiage).
To the larger point, certainly no one willing to wave away Biden's history with plagiarism should be too concerned about this. My thoughts on Trump and his team are well-known here, but there are bigger fish to fry than a relatively silent First Lady's minor bungle.
I guess you could say, "I really don't care. Do u?"
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So let's see on the one hand you have Biden who has admitted that there were times when he has written or spoken without proper quotes and attribution.
And Trump, who has had business partnerships with known organized crime figures (Trump SoHo) and a family known to be notoriously corrupt with suspected ties to money laundering for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (Trump Tower in Baku Azerbaijan), admitted during the first campaign that he had "a little conflict of interest" with Turkey and Erdogan because of his business interests there (Twin Trump Towers in Istanbul), is known as Individual 1 in the campaign finance/hush money conviction for which Michael Cohen served time in prison, lied continously about not having any connection or business dealings in Russia until it was revealed in Nov. 2018 that he been pursuing a massive project in Moscow right up to election day, Trump Taj Mahal was fined 10 Million dollars for significant and long standing anti-money laundering violations, Trump hired Danny Sau Keung Leung, who was linked to organized crime syndicates, as Trump Taj Mahal's VP Foreign Marketing (Canadian police identified Leung as "a major player in Toronto organized crime" and a U.S. Senate Subcommittee report on Asian organized crime named Leung as an associate of the Hong Kong-based organized crime group 14K Triad), the NY Times Pulitzer Prize winning article revealed decades of corruption and bank and tax fraud currently under investigation in New York, Trump paid 25 Million dollars to settle the Trump University fraud lawsuits, Trump was ordered to pay a $2 million settlement for misusing his charitable foundation for his business and political purposes and was forced to shut it down under court supervision, etc.
As for his personal life, make of that what you like.
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I responded to this point in the other thread. I called Trump's cheating at golf immoral and possibly illegal. But Biden's plagiarism was illegal and he failed the course when caught and had to repeat it in law college. He also had to pull out of the 1988 presidential election when he was caught plagiarizing a UK minister, JFK, the South Korean PM, and others.
Look, I'm not defending Trump's often unethical ways. But Biden has done many professional and personal things his mother wouldn't be proud of either. And we have to pick one or the other. Neither have clean hands. So we have to use other guidelines to make our selection.
Don't know about Trump's mother, but his siblings sure ain't that proud of boy wonder.
"He cheats, he lies...don't listen to him"
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Well, I'm glad you don't defend Biden's plagiarism. The fact is both men are flawed as was Hillary when she ran. So other criteria will have to be used when it comes time to vote.
I think one just needs to look at how the pendemic was handled "miraculously just go away one day" to know who to not vote for.
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So let's see on the one hand you have Biden who has admitted that there were times when he has written or spoken without proper quotes and attribution.
And Trump, who has had business partnerships with known organized crime figures (Trump SoHo) and a family known to be notoriously corrupt with suspected ties to money laundering for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (Trump Tower in Baku Azerbaijan), admitted during the first campaign that he had "a little conflict of interest" with Turkey and Erdogan because of his business interests there (Twin Trump Towers in Istanbul), is known as Individual 1 in the campaign finance/hush money conviction for which Michael Cohen served time in prison, lied continously about not having any connection or business dealings in Russia until it was revealed in Nov. 2018 that he been pursuing a massive project in Moscow right up to election day, Trump Taj Mahal was fined 10 Million dollars for significant and long standing anti-money laundering violations, Trump hired Danny Sau Keung Leung, who was linked to organized crime syndicates, as Trump Taj Mahal's VP Foreign Marketing (Canadian police identified Leung as "a major player in Toronto organized crime" and a U.S. Senate Subcommittee report on Asian organized crime named Leung as an associate of the Hong Kong-based organized crime group 14K Triad), the NY Times Pulitzer Prize winning article revealed decades of corruption and bank and tax fraud currently under investigation in New York, Trump paid 25 Million dollars to settle the Trump University fraud lawsuits, Trump was ordered to pay a $2 million settlement for misusing his charitable foundation for his business and political purposes and was forced to shut it down under court supervision, etc.
For God's sake - don't you get it? Her E-Mails...
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Trying to influence the black vote.
Alice Johnson, pardoned by Trump, was put away for life under Biden-sponsored bill
https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/ex-con-pardoned-by-trump-was-put-away-by-bidens-crime-bill/
The best way to influence the black vote is to actually listen to what the block people are protesting about rather than sending in the national guard against them. If Trump thinks he can swing the black vote by this pardon...he is a fool.
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Biden and his wife held hands with his VP and her husband at the end of the night's proceedings at the convention. They ignored the distance rule while wearing masks. Of course the distance is in flux if you believe the experts. Maybe you can hold hands as long as you wear masks.
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You can hold hands as long as you wash your hands before you put your hand to your face. You don't have to wear a mask as long as you don't breathe.
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I saw a photo of Trump surrounded by his family with no social distancing or masks. It is not surprising. I am sure they have all been tested. I don’t remember seeing Mike Pence and his wife in the photo. They may have been there. I saw a couple of masks in the crowd of 1500 guests. I doubt any of them were tested, unless it was just a temperature check. I hope no one regrets having attended.
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Personally, I'm willing to give Melania a pass on this one, more or less. The excerpts Politifact references (especially the last one) are certainly similar. On the other hand, the sentiments are so generic that I'm not sure even in seeing them that I could express the same idea without sounding substantially similar to one or the other (unless I used some really awkward syntax and verbiage).
To the larger point, certainly no one willing to wave away Biden's history with plagiarism should be too concerned about this. My thoughts on Trump and his team are well-known here, but there are bigger fish to fry than a relatively silent First Lady's minor bungle.
I guess you could say, "I really don't care. Do u?"
;)
I only take offense with the claim word for word. It’s a non story as you have pointed out. I find all of the charges of plagiarism a bit petty if you ask me.
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Copied and pasted directly from the Politifact site:
Michelle:
"Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Melania:
“Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Michelle:
“And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them."
Melania:
“From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son."
OK, you wanna split hairs, Mr. Lawyer? OK, not precisely, absolutely and contiguously word for word, but "word for word" enough to get you disqualified by either a court of law or an academic institution.
Your desperate adherence to minutiae is telling.
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Copied and pasted directly from the Politifact site:
Michelle:
"Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Melania:
“Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Michelle:
“And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them."
Melania:
“From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son."
OK, you wanna split hairs, Mr. Lawyer? OK, not precisely, absolutely and contiguously word for word, but "word for word" enough to get you disqualified by either a court of law or an academic institution.
Your desperate adherence to minutiae is telling.
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Thanks for admitting you were wrong. Oh wait.
And of course the words were not spoken in either a court of law or school....
Another FAIL
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So let's see on the one hand you have Biden who has admitted that there were times when he has written or spoken without proper quotes and attribution.
And Trump, who has had business partnerships with known organized crime figures (Trump SoHo) and a family known to be notoriously corrupt with suspected ties to money laundering for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (Trump Tower in Baku Azerbaijan), admitted during the first campaign that he had "a little conflict of interest" with Turkey and Erdogan because of his business interests there (Twin Trump Towers in Istanbul), is known as Individual 1 in the campaign finance/hush money conviction for which Michael Cohen served time in prison, lied continously about not having any connection or business dealings in Russia until it was revealed in Nov. 2018 that he been pursuing a massive project in Moscow right up to election day, Trump Taj Mahal was fined 10 Million dollars for significant and long standing anti-money laundering violations, Trump hired Danny Sau Keung Leung, who was linked to organized crime syndicates, as Trump Taj Mahal's VP Foreign Marketing (Canadian police identified Leung as "a major player in Toronto organized crime" and a U.S. Senate Subcommittee report on Asian organized crime named Leung as an associate of the Hong Kong-based organized crime group 14K Triad), the NY Times Pulitzer Prize winning article revealed decades of corruption and bank and tax fraud currently under investigation in New York, Trump paid 25 Million dollars to settle the Trump University fraud lawsuits, Trump was ordered to pay a $2 million settlement for misusing his charitable foundation for his business and political purposes and was forced to shut it down under court supervision, etc.
As for his personal life, make of that what you like.
Trump was a private individual all his life until he became president. Biden cheated as a politician while holding positions of power. Regardless of which one did more than the other, you can't holier than thou while Biden has cheated as well. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
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Trump was a private individual all his life until he became president. Biden cheated as a politician while holding positions of power. Regardless of which one did more than the other, you can't holier than thou while Biden has cheated as well. That's the pot calling the kettle black.
But Biden isn’t an actual, you know, criminal, if that sort of stuff matters to you...
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Don't know about Trump's mother, but his siblings sure ain't that proud of boy wonder.
"He cheats, he lies...don't listen to him"
His sibling who wrote the book was ticked off he got their father's inheritance. She sued and got squat. Just a family spat.
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Biden cheated as a politician while holding positions of power.
Any evidence of that?
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For God's sake - don't you get it? Her E-Mails...
Hillary sent private emails over secret servers and subsequently erased them before becoming public. During this period, she help accumulate donations from foreign sovereigns and individuals and corporations for the Clinton foundation worth hundreds of millions WHILE she was Secretary of State. At the same time during Obama's administration, VP Biden was getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired. He was investigating the corporation that Biden's son received millions of dollars from in a sweetheart, no show job, only because he was the son of a Vice President.
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Hillary sent private emails over secret servers and subsequently erased them before becoming public. During this period, she help accumulate donations from foreign sovereigns and individuals and corporations for the Clinton foundation worth hundreds of millions WHILE she was Secretary of State. At the same time during Obama's administration, VP Biden was getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired. He was investigating the corporation that Biden's son received millions of dollars from in a sweetheart, no show job, only because he was the son of a Vice President.
You keep repeating those same sins over and over. Have been for months now. All part of the messaging campaign?
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You keep repeating those same sins over and over. Have been for months now. All part of the messaging campaign?
It’s more an obsession than a messaging campaign.
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The best way to influence the black vote is to actually listen to what the block people are protesting about rather than sending in the national guard against them. If Trump thinks he can swing the black vote by this pardon...he is a fool.
Most of the businesses burned out were owned by blacks. Most blacks, 80% in a poll, was the number I read recently, want strong police protection because they are the main victims of black crime. Of course, bad cops should be fired and go to jail when they violate people's rights regardless of the color of the cop or victim. All cops should get better training and weeded out for malfeasance early in their career. Unfortunately, they are often protected by unions who get politicians to support protective contract rules because the unions support the politicians. You see the same thing with public teacher's unions. It's almost impossible to get one fired.
I agree with you that most blacks vote Democrat. Frankly, the democrats have done little for the black community except undermine their families. They'd do better under republican administrations as they had under Trump until the virus. Black and Latino employment rolls were the highest ever under Trump and could be again if he is re-elected.
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You can hold hands as long as you wash your hands before you put your hand to your face. You don't have to wear a mask as long as you don't breathe.
I don't think shaking hands is acceptable. So why would holding them as they did giving high fives or whatever be acceptable? What a change for a guy hiding in his basement afraid to come out.
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They'd do better under republican administrations as they had under Trump until the virus.
Funny how they don't seem to agree with you. What is it that they're missing.
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I saw a photo of Trump surrounded by his family with no social distancing or masks. It is not surprising. I am sure they have all been tested. I don’t remember seeing Mike Pence and his wife in the photo. They may have been there. I saw a couple of masks in the crowd of 1500 guests. I doubt any of them were tested, unless it was just a temperature check. I hope no one regrets having attended.
We want a gutsy president who's out there fighting for us and doing important things and not worried all the time. Not some scaredy cat hiding in the basement dressing like the Lone Ranger in drag.
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We want a gutsy president who's out there fighting for us and doing important things and not worried all the time. Not some scaredy cat hiding in the basement dressing like the Lone Ranger in drag.
So it's bad if Biden holds hands but gutsy if Trump does it.
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But Biden isn’t an actual, you know, criminal, if that sort of stuff matters to you...
Neither is Trump.
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Any evidence of that?
Biden admitted he plagiarized. Plagiarizing is cheating.
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Copied and pasted directly from the Politifact site:
Michelle:
"Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Melania:
“Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Michelle:
“And Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you're going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don't know them, and even if you don't agree with them."
Melania:
“From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son."
OK, you wanna split hairs, Mr. Lawyer? OK, not precisely, absolutely and contiguously word for word, but "word for word" enough to get you disqualified by either a court of law or an academic institution.
Your desperate adherence to minutiae is telling.
Yes. Lengthy sections lifted word for word and inserted into her speech and then broken up slightly to hide the fact.
"In a statement issued by the Trump campaign, staff writer Meredith McIver accepted responsibility for the addition of Michelle Obama's words in the speech.
In her statement, McIver said Melania Trump "always liked" Mrs. Obama and read passages from the 2008 speech to McIver, who says she wrote them down and included them in the speech."
https://www.npr.org/2016/07/20/trump-speechwriter-accepts-responsibility-for-using-michelle-obamas-words (https://www.npr.org/2016/07/20/486758596/trump-speechwriter-accepts-responsibility-for-using-michelle-obamas-words)
* A word of caution, that is likely unnecessary, but offered nonetheless. With online forums generally, you may find yourself on a merry-go-round of argument that appears to be propelled by immaturity and insecurity in which the spinning only ends when smug self-congratulatory vainglory is achieved.
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* A word of caution, that is likely unnecessary, but offered nonetheless. With online forums generally, you may find yourself on a merry-go-round of argument that appears to be propelled by immaturity and insecurity in which the spinning only ends when smug self-congratulatory vainglory is achieved.
That's a pretty good working definition of social media.
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So it's bad if Biden holds hands but gutsy if Trump does it.
But Biden wants it both ways. On the one hand he's complaining that Trump doesn't wear a mask for political reasons. But then Biden holds hands for political reasons. What kind of an example of healthy virus protocol is that? That's being a phoney. Of course the press never mentioned it. They were busy protecting him from himself and hoped nobody would notice.
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Biden cheated as a politician while holding positions of power.
Any evidence of that?
Biden admitted he plagiarized. Plagiarizing is cheating.
OK. That last one made me laugh out loud! The awesome power and abuse of position unleashed by self-confessed plagiarism on occasion!
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That's a pretty good working definition of social media.
Sad but true.
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I agree with you that most blacks vote Democrat. Frankly, the democrats have done little for the black community except undermine their families. They'd do better under republican administrations as they had under Trump until the virus.
I think that the individual members that make up the majority of any given community are competent to decide for themselves what is in their best interest and vote accordingly. Don't you?
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Sad but true.
You would know, it’s your MO
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You would know, it’s your MO
And a lovely evening to you as well.
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I think that the individual members that make up the majority of any given community are competent to decide for themselves what is in their best interest and vote accordingly. Don't you?
Well, no one can vote for them. However, Republicans should remind voters how their situations have changed under Trump for the better. Hopefully they'll see what's in their best interest differently then they had before and vote Republican.
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At the same time during Obama's administration, VP Biden was getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired. He was investigating the corporation that Biden's son received millions of dollars from in a sweetheart, no show job, only because he was the son of a Vice President.
My understanding is that Joe Biden was carrying out bi-partisan US official policy toward a prosecutor (Shokin) that was NOT pursuing corruption in Ukraine and who was was undermining a British money-laundering probe that involved Burisma’s owner. That was also the view of our allies in the EU and elsewhere, as well as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. The US threat to withhold 1 Billion dollars in US loan guarantees was accompanied by a threat by the IMF to delay 40 Billion dollars in aid due to ongoing corruption. It was not a secret Biden effort, it was openly and widely discussed US policy with broad international support.
https://www.usatoday.com/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/)
https://www.usatoday.com/2020/03/12/republican-senators-joe-hunter-biden-burisma-anti-corruption-loan (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/12/republican-senators-joe-hunter-biden-burisma-anti-corruption-loan-column/5020568002/)
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/ukrainealert/why-poroshenko-s-support-for-shokin-is-dangerous (https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-poroshenko-s-support-for-shokin-is-dangerous/?_ga=2.116253637.254052399.1598670387-612269176.1596384851)
Now if your scenario is correct, you may want to re-evaluate your perceived weakness of Biden's foreign policy negotiating skills. If you're right about Biden and Ukraine, he was able to muster the weight of the EU and the world's largest international financial institutions and get Executive Branch and bi-partisan Congressional support all lined up just to help his son keep a job. And that was as Vice-President, a job that has no real power behind it. Imagine what he could do as President with something of real importance!
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Well, no one can vote for them. However, Republicans should remind voters how their situations have changed under Trump for the better. Hopefully they'll see what's in their best interest differently then they had before and vote Republican.
There are 31.2 million people unemployed now. How exactly have their situations improved?
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There are 31.2 million people unemployed now. How exactly have their situations improved?
Well compared with the 180,000 dead, they're laughing!!
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As reported in the last issue of Spiegel:
The US president boasts an excellent record - this is how he wants to reach undecided voters. Even with a very friendly view, he is at best an average head of government.
The point goes something like this: Yes, Trump is often aggressive, a bully, he annoys on Twitter. You don't have to like him, but he is producing results for America. "He gets things done," says Ivanka Trump. And: "He made America great again." Just "great". This is the fairy tale of the successful Trump. The man has a character problem, but he is a doer who moves America forward. The fairy tale thrives on repetition, the more often it is told by Trump and his strategists, the more people should believe it.
It's so beautifully simple: The fairy tale even allows skeptics to vote for Trump in the election. Every decent man or woman can bring up the fairy tale at the barbecue with friends at the weekend to justify their own voting decision. This way you can calm your guilty conscience if you vote for a man who lies, divides and the racist is one of his most loyal fans.
The president's corona policy is not "great", it is quite a mess. In no other country on earth have more people died than in the USA. A look at Europe, where the management of the crisis has been far better in comparison, would be enough to make it clear to the last Trump voter that their president did not really act well during the crisis. (Unfortunately, few Trump voters seem to be looking to Europe.)
Economic policy is a sham. The upswing in the period before the crisis, which Trump claims for himself, was already initiated under Barack Obama. Trump extended it with his tax reform, i.e. financed it on credit. Above all, the rich have benefited from the tax cuts. The Americans will still be able to pay the big bill when Trump has not been in office for a long time. Sustainable structural reforms in health or social services, from which many Americans would benefit, Trump has not tackled.
The country is drifting into isolation, due to short-sighted foreign policy. Trump has alienated close allies with his aggressive approach, for example on trade issues or in the financing of NATO. Anti-Americanism is increasing in large parts of Europe. The willingness to work with Americans on important issues is decreasing rather than increasing. On the other hand, the fact that some NATO countries are now spending more on defense has not yet led to a reduction in US spending on the military. On the contrary: these have risen again under Trump.
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-das-maerchen-vom-erfolgreichen-praesidenten-a-68bb99cf-ed30-472b-84c2-43e8db41d30f
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My understanding is that Joe Biden was carrying out bi-partisan US official policy toward a prosecutor (Shokin) that was NOT pursuing corruption in Ukraine and who was was undermining a British money-laundering probe that involved Burisma’s owner. That was also the view of our allies in the EU and elsewhere, as well as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. The US threat to withhold 1 Billion dollars in US loan guarantees was accompanied by a threat by the IMF to delay 40 Billion dollars in aid due to ongoing corruption. It was not a secret Biden effort, it was openly and widely discussed US policy with broad international support.
https://www.usatoday.com/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/)
https://www.usatoday.com/2020/03/12/republican-senators-joe-hunter-biden-burisma-anti-corruption-loan (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/12/republican-senators-joe-hunter-biden-burisma-anti-corruption-loan-column/5020568002/)
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/ukrainealert/why-poroshenko-s-support-for-shokin-is-dangerous (https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-poroshenko-s-support-for-shokin-is-dangerous/?_ga=2.116253637.254052399.1598670387-612269176.1596384851)
Now if your scenario is correct, you may want to re-evaluate your perceived weakness of Biden's foreign policy negotiating skills. If you're right about Biden and Ukraine, he was able to muster the weight of the EU and the world's largest international financial institutions and get Executive Branch and bi-partisan Congressional support all lined up just to help his son keep a job. And that was as Vice-President, a job that has no real power behind it. Imagine what he could do as President with something of real importance!
Obama warned Biden to remove himself from the Ukraine deal because the optics would not look good because of his son's involvement in Burisma. Biden ignored the warning. He continued on until the prosecutor was fired. How convenient.
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As reported in the last issue of Spiegel:
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/donald-trump-das-maerchen-vom-erfolgreichen-praesidenten-a-68bb99cf-ed30-472b-84c2-43e8db41d30f
the Germans are unhappy with Trump. He's made them pay more for NATO yet he's moving a division from Germany to Poland. He added or will add tariffs on German cars. They really want him out of office. So naturally, Der Spiegel would have a negative opinion about him. I think he's handling the Germans just fine. We'll probably have to bail out The Deutsche Bank again. It's on it way too failure and will take down the German economy with it. Maybe the whole EU.
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That's what you would think. Most Germans don't even know or care that they are paying more for their military. They still have plenty of resources to pay for the health care and other social things. Right now, they spend about the same for their immigration as for their defense budget - 21 billion euros.
Spiegel is a relatively unbiased publication. You should hear what the others say, many other European news agencies are much harsher on Trump and USA. That's a big shame, since four years ago they all looked at USA and Trump with a respect. Now they just ridicule him.
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the Germans are unhappy with Trump. He's made them pay more for NATO yet he's moving a division from Germany to Poland. He added or will add tariffs on German cars. They really want him out of office. So naturally, Der Spiegel would have a negative opinion about him. I think he's handling the Germans just fine. We'll probably have to bail out The Deutsche Bank again. It's on it way too failure and will take down the German economy with it. Maybe the whole EU.
Why add tariffs to German cars? What would be the purpose of that? What domestic manufacturers would benefit? There are no direct competitors besides Lexus and Infiniti and they're hardly domestic.
You seem to have this bizarre idea that the US does not benefit from freer trade. It's an odd position for an avowed "free marketer" to take.
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Why add tariffs to German cars? What would be the purpose of that? What domestic manufacturers would benefit? There are no direct competitors besides Lexus and Infiniti and they're hardly domestic.
You seem to have this bizarre idea that the US does not benefit from freer trade. It's an odd position for an avowed "free marketer" to take.
Not sure if its still true but last numbers I remember were US 2.5 % tarrif on cars imported from the EU. EU 10% tarrif on cars imported from the US. Free trade....
Ant then there is always the lobster thing.
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* A word of caution, that is likely unnecessary, but offered nonetheless. With online forums generally, you may find yourself on a merry-go-round of argument that appears to be propelled by immaturity and insecurity in which the spinning only ends when smug self-congratulatory vainglory is achieved.
Frequently accompanied by the all-caps epithet “FAIL!” and “Wanna try again?”
Unfortunately, for some it’s all about winning, not informed discussion.
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Why add tariffs to German cars? What would be the purpose of that? What domestic manufacturers would benefit? There are no direct competitors besides Lexus and Infiniti and they're hardly domestic.
You seem to have this bizarre idea that the US does not benefit from freer trade. It's an odd position for an avowed "free marketer" to take.
I'm all for free trade if tariffs are equalized or better still removed on all sides. As long as America gets punished with higher tariffs on its goods, then Trump or Biden should use tariffs to encourage negotiations to correct the imbalances. Free trade means a fair and level playing field.
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Frequently accompanied by the all-caps epithet “FAIL!” and “Wanna try again?”
Unfortunately, for some it’s all about winning, not informed discussion.
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If you were interested in informed discussion it would be a different situation. But you're not. As witnessed by your attempt to WIN by posting the excerpts from the Politifact article even though they proved your original point incorrect. Nothing like a little hypocrisy in the morning ..
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That's what you would think. Most Germans don't even know or care that they are paying more for their military. They still have plenty of resources to pay for the health care and other social things. Right now, they spend about the same for their immigration as for their defense budget - 21 billion euros.
Spiegel is a relatively unbiased publication. You should hear what the others say, many other European news agencies are much harsher on Trump and USA. That's a big shame, since four years ago they all looked at USA and Trump with a respect. Now they just ridicule him.
Trump puts winning before being liked. Most former presidents were saps who gave away the farm because foreigners were nice to them while they picked our pickets. Trump only cares about the bottom line. Of course, foreigners or companies, or anyone else on the other side doesn't like it.
Frankly, I think China might actually want to deal with him then Biden. They've made deals with Trump already and know how he operates. He's transactional. He doesn't care what countries do internally unlike a lot of politicians. As long as you treat America fair and he can make a fair deal, he's happy to leave you alone. Biden will play the usual American "we know what's best for you" attitude that gets us into foreign adventures all the time, putting our noses in where they don't belong. I think a lot of the pressure Trump is putting on China militarily in the So. China Sea and economically is for the election. It'll die down afterwards as he and China get back to the regular business of deal making.
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I think a lot of the pressure Trump is putting on China militarily in the So. China Sea and economically is for the election.
Driving your boats around in circles in the South China Sea is a lot of pressure? What does Trump hope to accomplish by doing so? As far as I can tell, the US boats putt-putt by the islands occupied by China and everyone waves at one another. It beats a shooting war but it seems kind of pointless. Here is the latest:
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3098139/south-china-sea-asean-states-set-course-beijings-red-line
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If you were interested in informed discussion it would be a different situation. But you're not. As witnessed by your attempt to WIN by posting the excerpts from the Politifact article even though they proved your original point incorrect. Nothing like a little hypocrisy in the morning ..
The Defense rests.
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Trump puts winning before being liked.
All evidence points to precisely the opposite being the truth.
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I'm all for free trade if tariffs are equalized or better still removed on all sides. As long as America gets punished with higher tariffs on its goods, then Trump or Biden should use tariffs to encourage negotiations to correct the imbalances. Free trade means a fair and level playing field.
Unless you take into account trade balances in ALL sectors, pointing out tariff differences in individual industries doesn't demonstrate anything much.
In the automobile example, FIAT-Chrysler, Ford and GM have plants in Europe. BMW has at least one plant in the US, as do many others. Trying to explain the EU's 10% tariffs on US automobiles, if that's what it is, on the basis that it's unfair to the US is a bit previous. Obviously all those players were involved in the trade negotiations, for all we know there may be perfectly good reasons for the tariffs to be what they are. From my brief stint working in economic forecasting a lifetime ago, one sentence analyses of trade are ok in a bar discussion when you have 6 beers in you, that is, it's entertainment but that's about all.
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The Defense rests.
You have no defense.
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You have no defense.
I am losing track guys. Is the argument that Melania did not plagiarize because her speech was not a word for word copy of Michelle's? Or simply that Peter said it was word for word and it's not?
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I am losing track guys. Is the argument that Melania did not plagiarize because her speech was not a word for word copy of Michelle's? Or simply that Peter said it was word for word and it's not?
I think it started when I said it was word for word plagiarism. Apparently I FAILed because some words were in fact different.
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I am losing track guys. Is the argument that Melania did not plagiarize because her speech was not a word for word copy of Michelle's? Or simply that Peter said it was word for word and it's not?
It's a proxy fight, the details don't matter. Besides, I doubt anyone else remembers either.
For my part, having spouses and children at these functions is revolting. Look at ME, my white picket fence is better than yours! Orchestrated bullshit.
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I think it started when I said it was word for word plagiarism. Apparently I FAILed because some words were in fact different.
Oh, so it was important. Seems like Craig really knocked this one out of the park.
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I am losing track guys. Is the argument that Melania did not plagiarize because her speech was not a word for word copy of Michelle's? Or simply that Peter said it was word for word and it's not?
As I posted upthread in reply to James Clark
"I only take offense with the claim word for word. It’s a non story as you have pointed out. I find all of the charges of plagiarism a bit petty if you ask me."
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I think it started when I said it was word for word plagiarism. Apparently I FAILed because some words were in fact different.
Yep, you FAILED.
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Yep, you FAILED.
Well done Craig, what a hero you are!!
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The title of this thread includes the words "informed debate". For the last few pages, the debate has been every bit as informed as an argument in a kindergarten playground. Is this really the best you can all do?
Jeremy
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Ant then there is always the lobster thing.
"Under the deal, the EU would remove the 8 percent to 12 percent tariffs on lobsters, while the US will halve its duties on EU products like glassware, ceramics, prepared meals and disposable lighters."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-eu/u-s-and-eu-hatch-mini-deal-to-cut-lobster-other-tariffs-idUSKBN25H2D2
I'm not sure the US "glassware, ceramics, prepared meals and disposable lighters" lobby is going to be all that happy with this agreement. I'd be asking what lobsters have to do with glassware, ceramics, prepared meals and disposable lighters. Maybe they didn't give enough to Trump's re-election campaign.
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Obama warned Biden to remove himself from the Ukraine deal because the optics would not look good because of his son's involvement in Burisma. Biden ignored the warning. He continued on until the prosecutor was fired. How convenient.
What you've said makes no sense whatsoever. Vice-Presidents have no independent authority or power to conduct their own foreign policy. They carry out assignments given to them by the President and at their direction. Biden was carrying out official US policy at the direction of Obama.
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The title of this thread includes the words "informed debate". For the last few pages, the debate has been every bit as informed as an argument in a kindergarten playground. Is this really the best you can all do?
It is reflective of the campaigns. I expect it to get worse.
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What you've said makes no sense whatsoever. Vice-Presidents have no independent authority or power to conduct their own foreign policy. They carry out assignments given to them by the President and at their direction. Biden was carrying out official US policy at the direction of Obama.
So Obama was in on the conspiracy. Now it is all beginning to make sense. Obama was getting a kickback from Hunter Biden of half of his monthly board of directors fee, and was in turn passing it on to Hillary, who was using it to fund Pizzagate operations. Kamala Harris found out about it, so she blackmailed Joe Biden into naming her as his running mate. What I want to know is what sort of machine they have Biden hooked up to in his basement. Is it one of those brain chip things Elon Musk rolled out this week?
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It is reflective of the campaigns. I expect it to get worse.
I'd say that compared with discussion of whether Nikon is better than Canon, or if street photography has to include people, it's been pretty damned erudite :-)
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But Biden isn’t an actual, you know, criminal, if that sort of stuff matters to you...
Neither is Trump.
I think we can only say that neither has been convicted yet.
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Apparently so many Canadians are mad at Trump for putting a tariff on aluminum that they no longer eat or stay at the Trump Hotel in Vancouver. As with so many other properties bearing Trump's name, Trump doesn't own it, he just manages it. Anyway, it is now all boarded up and the ownership group is in bankruptcy.
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/514252-trump-international-hotel-in-vancouver-closes-permanently
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Trump is giving a press conference from somewhere in Louisiana this afternoon. Sitting in front of a fire truck, he is all decked out in his trademark khaki pants, white shirt, presidential wind jacket, and red USA ball cap. He just needs to swap his shoes and he is ready for golf. I saw a tale tell cardboard box in the background, so I expect him to be throwing out rolls of paper towels to the now homeless crowd any moment now. He said Idaho was in the path of the hurricane and has a map to prove it.
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His sibling who wrote the book was ticked off he got their father's inheritance. She sued and got squat. Just a family spat.
I don't know how you managed to do it, but you got this 100% wrong.
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I think we can only say that neither has been convicted yet.
No, I think we can safely say that Trump is a criminal and Biden isn't.
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What you've said makes no sense whatsoever. Vice-Presidents have no independent authority or power to conduct their own foreign policy. They carry out assignments given to them by the President and at their direction. Biden was carrying out official US policy at the direction of Obama.
It was Obama's State Department official who warned Biden the optics don't look good. I suppose Obama will claim he was clueless like he claimed he wasn't spying on Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/diplomat-tells-investigators-he-raised-alarms-in-2015-about-hunter-bidens-ukraine-work-but-was-rebuffed/2019/10/18/81e35be9-4f5a-4048-8520-0baabb18ab63_story.html
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Biden's lead narrowed after Republican convention while there was no change after Democrat convention., That tells me the momentum is in Trump's favor. Also, no one cares about Biden. He has no support. He puts people to sleep. Even that great prognosticator, Michael Moore, thinks Trump's going to win.
Biden lead over Trump narrows after Republican National Convention: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514266-biden-lead-over-trump-narrows-after-republican-national-convention-poll
Michael Moore warns that Donald Trump is on course to repeat 2016 win
Film-maker says enthusiasm for president in swing states is ‘off the charts’ and urges everyone to commit to getting 100 people to vote
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning
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I think it started when I said it was word for word plagiarism. Apparently I FAILed because some words were in fact different.
But some of it was word for word. Nobody said it was ALL word for word.
Much of Melania's text was gently massaged so as not to be identical. It was however nearly so.
Lameson loves to split hairs if it means he can appear to win in his own eyes.
I'm done.
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I'm done.
I am too.
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Most of the businesses burned out were owned by blacks. Most blacks, 80% in a poll, was the number I read recently, want strong police protection because they are the main victims of black crime. Of course, bad cops should be fired and go to jail when they violate people's rights regardless of the color of the cop or victim. All cops should get better training and weeded out for malfeasance early in their career. Unfortunately, they are often protected by unions who get politicians to support protective contract rules because the unions support the politicians. You see the same thing with public teacher's unions. It's almost impossible to get one fired.
I agree with you that most blacks vote Democrat. Frankly, the democrats have done little for the black community except undermine their families. They'd do better under republican administrations as they had under Trump until the virus. Black and Latino employment rolls were the highest ever under Trump and could be again if he is re-elected.
You might find the problems that this lady had with border crossings to be informative, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676).
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You might find the problems that this lady had with border crossings to be informative, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/30/black-us-diplomat-customs-border-protection-cbp-detained-harassed-325676).
I'm sorry she was harassed. That was wrong and the government should do something to prevent that from happening. Is she the only black American official in Mexico this was happening too? The article says something about the records showing she had some problem but there may have been mistake in identity in the system that could have caused this problem.
In any case, what does that have to do with the point that Black Americans have the worse time in Democrat controlled cities? In the meanwhile, until the virus hit, it was Trump who has lowered Black unemployment rates the most in history. Do they really think Biden's going to get them their jobs back?
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... Democrat controlled cities? In the meanwhile, until the virus hit, it was Trump who has lowered Black unemployment rates the most in history. ...
Is "Democrat-controlled city" a new catch phrase in online messaging? I've seen it a few times lately. Does it mean anything?
And "the most in history"? Really? Why am I having trouble believing that?
Do they really think Biden's going to get them their jobs back?
I have no idea at all, could not even guess. But I figure that he'll do as well as Trump did for coal miners. :)
As for that poor lady US diplomat, it would be interesting to speculate how many drug and people traffickers the border control boys missed while they pissed around searching her car.
On that, at one point she said that she was told to look away while they searched her car. Is that normal procedure? What would be the reason behind that, does anyone know? Because like her, the FIRST thing that would occur to me is that they were planting something in the car. Seemed like an odd request, but there may be a good reason for it.
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In any case, what does that have to do with the point that Black Americans have the worse time in Democrat controlled cities?
You seem to have got cause and effect muddled up.
Poor people vote Democrat (other things being equal) because they see the Republicans as the party of fat cats. There will therefore obviously be a correlation between poverty and cities with Democrat administration.
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You seem to have got cause and effect muddled up.
Poor people vote Democrat (other things being equal) because they see the Republicans as the party of fat cats. There will therefore obviously be a correlation between poverty and cities with Democrat administration.
Policing is under the control of Democrat administrations in those cities. If blacks are being singled out or cops aren't doing their jobs fairly, they should blame the Democrats. Additionally, the 1994 crime bill that put so many blacks in Federal prisons for relatively minor drug offenses was signed by Democrat President Bill Clinton and supported by Senator Biden. Biden bragged about it.
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Policing is under the control of Democrat administrations in those cities. If blacks are being singled out or cops aren't doing their jobs fairly, they should blame the Democrats. Additionally, the 1994 crime bill that put so many blacks in Federal prisons for relatively minor drug offenses was signed by Democrat President Bill Clinton and supported by Senator Biden. Biden bragged about it.
Shouldn't that get them a lot of law & order votes?
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Policing is under the control of Democrat administrations in those cities. If blacks are being singled out or cops aren't doing their jobs fairly, they should blame the Democrats. Additionally, the 1994 crime bill that put so many blacks in Federal prisons for relatively minor drug offenses was signed by Democrat President Bill Clinton and supported by Senator Biden. Biden bragged about it.
I assume they consider the Democrats to be the lesser of evils. The Republicans certainly don’t give any sign of being keen to crack down on racism.
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Is "Democrat-controlled city" a new catch phrase in online messaging? I've seen it a few times lately. Does it mean anything?
And "the most in history"? Really? Why am I having trouble believing that?
I have no idea at all, could not even guess. But I figure that he'll do as well as Trump did for coal miners. :)
As for that poor lady US diplomat, it would be interesting to speculate how many drug and people traffickers the border control boys missed while they pissed around searching her car.
On that, at one point she said that she was told to look away while they searched her car. Is that normal procedure? What would be the reason behind that, does anyone know? Because like her, the FIRST thing that would occur to me is that they were planting something in the car. Seemed like an odd request, but there may be a good reason for it.
Don't doubt it. Blacks had the lowest unemployment rate under Trump. See link. Blacks should believe he could do it for them again. Biden can't.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000006
Regarding the lady who wrote the article she said that consulate’s Homeland Security attaché, in Mexico City hundreds of miles away from the border and unconnected to the border CBP inspection officers, had contacted CBP. He told her that CBP’s computer system had been making a mistake, confusing her with someone else with a similar name. That would account for her constant inspections. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Why would they bother with an attractive woman, black or not, almost every time? Maybe once in a while. But not as many times as she complained about. So it probably was a screwed up computer system like the attache told her. I don;t think it was nefarious. Just typical government incompetence similar to the airport police who check also had thousands of people on their lists who would not be cleared through immediately. They would also do secondary inspections and searches and did hand held metal detector checks until your name came off the defective list.
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I assume they consider the Democrats to be the lesser of evils. The Republicans certainly don’t give any sign of being keen to crack down on racism.
Crimes based on racism are prosecuted locally. It's nonsense Republican are for racism. You're doing what the Democrats always do - play the race card to divide people for votes. It's why we have so much strife now. The Dems foreever pit one group against another driving tribal conflict between races, sexes, ethnic groups, etc. The Democrats are always for discrimination of one group against another to gain advancement rather than hard work and talent as Republicans encourage.
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Crimes based on racism are prosecuted locally.
But they’re incited nationally. “Rest in peace, Jay”
It's nonsense Republican are for racism.
Trump sure is, as we see every day, and I don’t hear any Republican voices calling him out, so I guess they are too. Cities are burning on Trump’s watch, and all he cares about is if it will get him votes.
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But they’re incited nationally. “Rest in peace, Jay”Trump sure is, as we see every day, and I don’t hear any Republican voices calling him out, so I guess they are too. Cities are burning on Trump’s watch, and all he cares about is if it will get him votes.
The Democrats are playing the race card and encouraging separation. They make promises to give people benefits based on the color of their skin. That's racism. They're doing it to consolidate minority vote by playing people's concerns about racism and the falsely perceived benefits of voting for Democrats. Trump is filling in the vacuum on the other side. You ought to stick to British politics. You know nothing about what you're talking about.
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The Democrats are playing the race card and encouraging separation. They make promises to give people benefits based on the color of their skin. That's racism. They're doing it to consolidate minority vote by playing people's concerns about racism and the falsely perceived benefits of voting for Democrats. Trump is filling in the vacuum on the other side.
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Nobody is encouraging separation except Trump and his goon squad. When the President calls white supremacists "very fine people" and fills his Twitter feed with dog whistle racism, the strategy is obvious - foment unrest and then try to blame it on the Democrats, and unfortunately for the US, it seems to be working.
You ought to stick to British politics. You know nothing about what you're talking about.
Weren't you complaining about ad hominem a while back?
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The Democrats are playing the race card and encouraging separation. They make promises to give people benefits based on the color of their skin. That's racism. They're doing it to consolidate minority vote by playing people's concerns about racism and the falsely perceived benefits of voting for Democrats. Trump is filling in the vacuum on the other side. You ought to stick to British politics. You know nothing about what you're talking about.
Do you think it's appropriate for the President to make statements like this https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514515-trump-defends-kenosha-suspect-as-acting-in-self-defense (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514515-trump-defends-kenosha-suspect-as-acting-in-self-defense) about an on-going criminal investigation? If I were involved in a crime as either victim or perpetrator, I wouldn't want people in high office to stick their noses in for political reasons. The facts aren't known yet but even if he thinks he does know the facts, it's not his place to say anything.
It's hard to interpret his statement as anything other than provocation. Do you think he perceives his statement as a vote-getter? What does that say.
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Nobody is encouraging separation except Trump and his goon squad. When the President calls white supremacists "very fine people" and fills his Twitter feed with dog whistle racism, the strategy is obvious - foment unrest and then try to blame it on the Democrats, and unfortunately for the US, it seems to be working.
Weren't you complaining about ad hominem a while back?
You should stop telling that blatant lie.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"
Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."
Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."
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Do you think it's appropriate for the President to make statements like this https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514515-trump-defends-kenosha-suspect-as-acting-in-self-defense (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514515-trump-defends-kenosha-suspect-as-acting-in-self-defense) about an on-going criminal investigation? If I were involved in a crime as either victim or perpetrator, I wouldn't want people in high office to stick their noses in for political reasons. The facts aren't known yet but even if he thinks he does know the facts, it's not his place to say anything.
It's hard to interpret his statement as anything other than provocation. Do you think he perceives his statement as a vote-getter? What does that say.
Are you fricking kidding me? He was asked a question and he responded in a responsible manner. He told the reporter what was happening and what he saw in the very same videos we can see. Kyle was being attacked. He was being chased and an attempt was made to try and grab his rifle. A shot rang out, not from Kyles firearm and he made the call to defend his life. He continued to be chased. He was being beaten over the head with what could be described as a deadly weapon. He had a handgun pointed directly at his head. None of this can be disputed. Full stop. The President can say whatever he wants, just like you can. What he said was perfectly fine.
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You should stop telling that blatant lie.
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people,
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville
n short, Unite the Right was organized not by individuals who, in Trump’s words, “felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee,” but by ardent white supremacists and white nationalists.
On multiple occasions before Unite the Right, attendees stated that the Confederate memorial that was supposedly their purpose was actually the least of their concerns. We have their statements, their videos, their posters, and their words.
We also have the transcript and video of how Trump responded. He did, indeed, refer to the people who attended Unite the Right, people who were likely well aware of and supportive of its messaging, as “very fine people,” and he downplayed the tiki torch parade as “people protesting very quietly.”
Unite the Right was a horrific event in our nation’s recent history — and to come to terms with it requires doing so in good faith and honesty, something the president and his defenders appear unwilling to do.
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Policing is under the control of Democrat administrations in those cities. If blacks are being singled out or cops aren't doing their jobs fairly, they should blame the Democrats. Additionally, the 1994 crime bill that put so many blacks in Federal prisons for relatively minor drug offenses was signed by Democrat President Bill Clinton and supported by Senator Biden. Biden bragged about it.
And you don't think that Trump has anything to do with creating an overall atmosphere of hatred in the country that deepens the gaps between communities and encourages people with racist tendencies to let got of the restraint they would need to display?
This has nothing to do with local politics, it's a global topic that the President obviously has a major impact on.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Are you fricking kidding me? He was asked a question and he responded in a responsible manner. He told the reporter what was happening and what he saw in the very same videos we can see. Kyle was being attacked. He was being chased and an attempt was made to try and grab his rifle. A shot rang out, not from Kyles firearm and he made the call to defend his life. He continued to be chased. He was being beaten over the head with what could be described as a deadly weapon. He had a handgun pointed directly at his head. None of this can be disputed. Full stop. The President can say whatever he wants, just like you can. What he said was perfectly fine.
Craig, there is no way you can honestly think what you are writing.
Trump not being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer is just insane. Unheard of for any political leader in a democratic state, yet alone for a US President.
You are blinded by your beliefs.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump not being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer is just insane. Unheard of for any political leader in a democratic state, yet alone for a US President.
Actually, no. While it clearly is inappropriate for a president to state an opinion regarding facts that may be the subject of a future criminal trial―Trump simply should have responded to the reporter's question with an anodyne statement to the effect that he was not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation―"being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer" would have been a far more serious blunder than what he actually said because if "this guy" is put on trial for murder, a statement of that nature would have provided the defense with enormous leverage to use in negotiations with the prosecution for a plea to a lesser offense. It would have handed the defendant's attorney a powerful argument that a fair trial would be impossible, not only in Wisconsin but anywhere in the country, because of a prejudicial statement by the highest elected official in the country.
Again, Trump's comment was clearly inappropriate, but what you are suggesting would have been much worse.
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https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18517980/trump-unite-the-right-racism-defense-charlottesville
n short, Unite the Right was organized not by individuals who, in Trump’s words, “felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee,” but by ardent white supremacists and white nationalists.
On multiple occasions before Unite the Right, attendees stated that the Confederate memorial that was supposedly their purpose was actually the least of their concerns. We have their statements, their videos, their posters, and their words.
We also have the transcript and video of how Trump responded. He did, indeed, refer to the people who attended Unite the Right, people who were likely well aware of and supportive of its messaging, as “very fine people,” and he downplayed the tiki torch parade as “people protesting very quietly.”
Unite the Right was a horrific event in our nation’s recent history — and to come to terms with it requires doing so in good faith and honesty, something the president and his defenders appear unwilling to do.
I can see reading is not your strength.
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And you don't think that Trump has anything to do with creating an overall atmosphere of hatred in the country that deepens the gaps between communities and encourages people with racist tendencies to let got of the restraint they would need to display?
This has nothing to do with local politics, it's a global topic that the President obviously has a major impact on.
Cheers,
Bernard
Democrats are the racists. They've been using the race card to provide additional benefits for minorities against white people. This is reverse discrimination. That has created tensions and divisions among the races. Poor whites are being left behind. Their needs are being ignored as minorities get advantages. The reaction you see from Trump and the right is due to the stirring of the prejudice from the left. That's why playing the race card is so dangerous and I'm so opposed to it. Everyone should be treated equally. There should be no discrimination for or against anyone based on the color of their skin or their gender or sex.
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And you don't think that Trump has anything to do with creating an overall atmosphere of hatred in the country that deepens the gaps between communities and encourages people with racist tendencies to let got of the restraint they would need to display?
This has nothing to do with local politics, it's a global topic that the President obviously has a major impact on.
Cheers,
Bernard
Nope! Obama started this decline in 2009, and polling shows that to be the case. Now Trump has done little to help, but the Dems are continuing to push a decisive narrative pitting groups against each other, aka identity politics.
In the last couple of months, the Dems have encouraged blacks hating whites (and other non-black), women hating men, immigrants hating natives, anti-semitism for all (look at some of those who worked at the DNC), etc. I look at the below head line and cant help but think, "after 40 years of wondering the desert, they have finally found their way back home ... to the Democratic Party."
Richard Spencer Endorses Joe Biden (https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/08/richard-spencer-endorses-joe-biden-campaign-swiftly-disavows-white-nationalist.html)
Makes me glad not to be a democrat. ;)
And the fact is, this is all backfiring on the Dems and showing to be a major miscalculation, especially given the violent riots happening now is suburbia. (Kenosha is has just over 100K, only slightly qualifying as a city.)
This is not to say Trump has not made any miscalculations, just that his came to fruition in June and July, whereas the Dems are seeing theirs come to fruition in September and October.
But anyway, Slobo is going to like this pic, from a book by James Peck called "Ideal Illusions: How the U.S. Government Co-opted Human Rights"
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Craig, there is no way you can honestly think what you are writing.
Trump not being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer is just insane. Unheard of for any political leader in a democratic state, yet alone for a US President.
You are blinded by your beliefs.
Cheers,
Bernard
Murder is a legal definition in the USA, and until proven of murder, you are not a murderer. Therefore this kid is not a murderer, and all available evidence does show he shot in self-defense. He will get off easy, for the murder charge, at least. I suspect he will plead to a weapons' charge though.
Now should he have even shown up to this protest, surely to turn into a riot, with a conspicuous weapon? Absolutely not, especially as a 17 year old without any real life experiences. With the exception of trained solders and police, I dont think anyone should be going to something that is sure to become a riot.
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Nys and nys have governmental divisions just for minority and women own businesses to get government contracts. If you're white, there are many contracts you cannot even bid. Unless the firm is owned by a black, Hispanic or woman. How is that not discriminatory? This has been going for decades. I faced it 40 years ago when I started in my small business. I couldn't bid a lot of work. How would you like to be a freelance photographer and told sorry, you're not black don't even apply for the job. How long will Democrats support this discrimination?
https://edc.nyc/opportunity-mwdbe
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Nys and nys have governmental divisions just for minority and women own businesses to get government contracts. If you're white, there are many contracts you cannot even bid. Unless the firm is owned by a black, Hispanic or woman. How is that not discriminatory? This has been going for decades. I faced it 40 years ago when I started in my small business. I couldn't bid a lot of work. How would you like to be a freelance photographer and told sorry, you're not black don't even apply for the job. How long will Democrats support this discrimination?
https://edc.nyc/opportunity-mwdbe
Although I dont have strong opinions on this as it pertains to whites, I just dont think these programs do any good for those whom they seek to help. In most cases, I see them doing much more damage.
I had a client (now retired) who is black and built his business from nothing to a moderately large architectural firm. He made it a point to never register as a minority owned business and never advertised this when bidding for jobs that gave preferential treatment to minorities. This was when I first started out and I asked him why not take advantage of it?
He actually considered these programs to be insults, and wanted to retire with the dignity knowing he made it on his own talent and hard work, not because of some meaningless quota.
This always stuck with me. (My wife does the same thing for the same reason, refusing to register as woman owned.)
Shelby Steele (a black man and former civil rights worker) makes this point all the time. He asks is it not enough that the Dems took away my dignity once with Jim Crow (and the like), but then decide to do it again with affirmative action making it impossible for someone to tell if I made it on my own accord, with that question always hanging over my head?
Shelby Steele On “How America's Past Sins Have Polarized Our Country” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMpQBWH-RwA)
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Murder is a legal definition in the USA, and until proven of murder, you are not a murderer. Therefore this kid is not a murderer, and all available evidence does show he shot in self-defense. He will get off easy, for the murder charge, at least. I suspect he will plead to a weapons' charge though.
Murder is not just a legal definition, it's a statement of fact. If you go into the bedroom and get a gun, and come out and shoot your wife, you've murdered her and you're a murderer. Whether you're found guilty of murder in a court is a completely different question.
In the move Shawshank Redemption, the main character is convicted of a murder that he didn't commit. Does that make him a murderer? Of course not.
If you're accused of murdering your wife, and you did it, but a court is unable to convict because of a lack of evidence, that doesn't mean you didn't do it. You're still a murderer, you just got away with it.
And by the way, the evidence against this kid is compelling -- look at the videos. He shot three people in cold blood. He was in no danger whatever. Try not to let your prejudices get in the way of your eyes.
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Murder is not just a legal definition, it's a statement of fact. If you go into the bedroom and get a gun, and come out and shoot your wife, you've murdered her and you're a murderer. Whether you're found guilty of murder in a court is a completely different question.
In the move Shawshank Redemption, the main character is convicted of a murder that he didn't commit. Does that make him a murderer? Of course not.
If you're accused of murdering your wife, and you did it, but a court is unable to convict because of a lack of evidence, that doesn't mean you didn't do it. You're still a murderer, you just got away with it.
And by the way, the evidence against this kid is compelling -- look at the videos. He shot three people in cold blood. He was in no danger whatever. Try not to let your prejudices get in the way of your eyes.
This statement is simply beyond the pale. He was being chased by an angry mob. His first encounter happened because the perp was tring to take him down and grabed for his gun. Then he was being kicked drop about the head and then beaten with a skateboard about the head. Another guy came at him with a loaded pistol pointed at his head. "He was in no danger whatever" is simply an idiotic statement. Amazing what some want to see when all they have is predudice.
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Murder is a legal definition in the USA, and until proven of murder, you are not a murderer. Therefore this kid is not a murderer, and all available evidence does show he shot in self-defense. He will get off easy, for the murder charge, at least. I suspect he will plead to a weapons' charge though.
Now should he have even shown up to this protest, surely to turn into a riot, with a conspicuous weapon? Absolutely not, especially as a 17 year old without any real life experiences. With the exception of trained solders and police, I dont think anyone should be going to something that is sure to become a riot.
The weapons charge is a misdeanor but it also has a loophole for those under 18 carrying a long gun. I think he walks on that one too.
When it comes to the murder charges, Wisconsin law gives him the right ot use deadly force...
"Self-defense is an affirmative defense that a person accused of a violent crime can bring, arguing that their use of force was justified because they were defending themselves. Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person. Importantly, some states impose a duty to retreat from a conflict, but Wisconsin is not among them. However, Wisconsin does allow juries to consider whether a defendant could have retreated in determining whether the use of deadly force was “necessary.”
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This statement is simply beyond the pale. He was being chased by an angry mob. His first encounter happened because the perp was tring to take him down and grabed for his gun. Then he was being kicked drop about the head and then beaten with a skateboard about the head. Another guy came at him with a loaded pistol pointed at his head. "He was in no danger whatever" is simply an idiotic statement. Amazing what some want to see when all they have is predudice.
I haven't seen the video, will make no comment about it or his culpability in anything. But since he was carrying a rifle at a street demonstration, it's hardly surprising that he was attacked by others, is it? You can see why people might want to take him down to be on the safe side, to make sure he doesn't use that rifle.
I mean, why WAS he there with a rifle? Was he protecting his business? His family? And if the argument is that he has the right to carry a weapon to protect himself, well, couldn't you say that same thing about others too, including the ones who may have tried to stop him?
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Murder is not just a legal definition, it's a statement of fact. If you go into the bedroom and get a gun, and come out and shoot your wife, you've murdered her and you're a murderer. Whether you're found guilty of murder in a court is a completely different question.
In the move Shawshank Redemption, the main character is convicted of a murder that he didn't commit. Does that make him a murderer? Of course not.
If you're accused of murdering your wife, and you did it, but a court is unable to convict because of a lack of evidence, that doesn't mean you didn't do it. You're still a murderer, you just got away with it.
And by the way, the evidence against this kid is compelling -- look at the videos. He shot three people in cold blood. He was in no danger whatever. Try not to let your prejudices get in the way of your eyes.
Okay, I'll buy this ... up until your last line. It's pretty clear it was in self defense, and he will most likely get off. He's still guilty of being a idiot going to a riot with a gun and perhaps should be charged with a lower crime then murder. But he was in plenty of danger when he fired his first shot and attempted, twice, to avoid action.
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I haven't seen the video, will make no comment about it or his culpability in anything. But since he was carrying a rifle at a street demonstration, it's hardly surprising that he was attacked by others, is it? You can see why people might want to take him down to be on the safe side, to make sure he doesn't use that rifle.
I mean, why WAS he there with a rifle? Was he protecting his business? His family? And if the argument is that he has the right to carry a weapon to protect himself, well, couldn't you say that same thing about others too, including the ones who may have tried to stop him?
You don't have the right to 'take someone down" because they are lawfully carrying a weapon. It remains to be seen if he was carrying that weapon lawfully.
He was there to help protect a business that had been partially burned the night before, along with others. He was also attending to injured people. Should he have had a gun? I would not have done it.
But had the "mostly peaceful protestors" refrained from the destruction they had caused none of this would have happened.
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I haven't seen the video, will make no comment about it or his culpability in anything. But since he was carrying a rifle at a street demonstration, it's hardly surprising that he was attacked by others, is it? You can see why people might want to take him down to be on the safe side, to make sure he doesn't use that rifle.
I mean, why WAS he there with a rifle? Was he protecting his business? His family? And if the argument is that he has the right to carry a weapon to protect himself, well, couldn't you say that same thing about others too, including the ones who may have tried to stop him?
I think this statement pretty much nails it. You should not be going to a protest 100% sure to become a riot with a conspicuous weapon since it will draw ire.
FYI, his story is he was there to help protect businesses. The problem with this argument is that he was from another state and did not have any connection to any of the businesses, which means he had no legal right to protect those businesses with a firearm unless you can prove you were hired as a security gaurd. Ultimately though, this is meaningless since he defended himself outside of any of the businesses, making this just another misdemeanor.
The real problem for Democrats though is they are quickly becoming seen as the party that refuses to allow people to protect themselves while simultaneously destroying the police. This combined with the McCloskeys' story is making this damning narrative very easy to propagate, and Biden yesterday did nothing to quell that.
Even leaving politics aside, if you demoralize and hamstring the police to the point of them not being able to do their job, and then stoke racial unrest by accusing cops of murder before all the facts are released, you will create a void and that void will be filled. Although I am not condoning vigilantism, it is the logical conclusion of this situation that we have seen played out repeatably for the last 3 months. Vigilantes are much more likely to kill someone then cops, and that alone should be reason to support the police.
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I think this statement pretty much nails it. You should not be going to a protest 100% sure to become a riot with a conspicuous weapon since it will draw ire.
FYI, his story is he was there to help protect businesses. The problem with this argument is that he was from another state and did not have any connection to any of the businesses, which means he had no legal right to protect those businesses with a firearm unless you can prove you were hired as a security gaurd. Ultimately though, this is meaningless since he defended himself outside of any of the businesses, making this just another misdemeanor.
The real problem for Democrats though is they are quickly becoming seen as the party that refuses to allow people to protect themselves while simultaneously destroying the police. This combined with the McCloskeys' story is making this damning narrative very easy to propagate, and Biden yesterday did nothing to quell that.
Even leaving politics aside, if you demoralize and hamstring the police to the point of them not being able to do their job, and then stoke racial unrest by accusing cops of murder before all the facts are released, you will create a void and that void will be filled. Although I am not condoning vigilantism, it is the logical conclusion of this situation that we have seen played out repeatably for the last 3 months. Vigilantes are much more likely to kill someone then cops, and that alone should be reason to support the police.
Rittenhouse was working as a lifeguard in Kenosha on that day. He did not cross state lines to attend the protest. As far as I can tell there is no law that makes it illegal to protect a businees if its not yours or your families. I'm happy to be corrected if that is incorrect.
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Nys and nys have governmental divisions just for minority and women own businesses to get government contracts. If you're white, there are many contracts you cannot even bid. Unless the firm is owned by a black, Hispanic or woman. How is that not discriminatory? This has been going for decades. I faced it 40 years ago when I started in my small business. I couldn't bid a lot of work. How would you like to be a freelance photographer and told sorry, you're not black don't even apply for the job. How long will Democrats support this discrimination?
https://edc.nyc/opportunity-mwdbe
So for some 400 years, blacks and women have been prevented from doing anything besides being subservient. Now, when there are a few programs that favor them, it's a great horror and evil. And the white guys whine. Get a grip.
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You know nothing about what you're talking about.
Now there's an ideal; but if posting in this thread, or other threads on this site, were restricted to people who know what they're talking about, the forum would be awfully quiet.
Jeremy
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Rittenhouse was working as a lifeguard in Kenosha on that day. He did not cross state lines to attend the protest. As far as I can tell there is no law that makes it illegal to protect a businees if its not yours or your families. I'm happy to be corrected if that is incorrect.
If you [can't=edit] keep and bear arms, what's the point of having them?
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So for some 400 years, blacks and women have been prevented from doing anything besides being subservient. Now, when there are a few programs that favor them, it's a great horror and evil. And the white guys whine. Get a grip.
Don't you see what you propose is racism? It doesn;t matter which race you favor and discriminate for or against - black or white. In any case, nobody's holding anyone back today. Not today. We've had a black president twice elected. In any case, when things are good, most people will only whine a little, unless you're the one who's being penalized. I had nothing to do with slavery. All I knew is I was told when wanting to bid certain NYC government projects that white people need not apply. That was 40 years ago. It's still going on today. That's discrimination. That's racism fostered by Democrats in NYC.
It's when the economic situation deteriorates especially, like today due to Covid, that people get testy. When some people are being penalized and they can't feed their families, the stakes get higher. That's why we should stop discrimination of any kind regardless of the so-called noble reasons being argued. It fosters conflict amongst groups as we see being played out today.
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Now there's an ideal; but if posting in this thread, or other threads on this site, were restricted to people who know what they're talking about, the forum would be awfully quiet.
Jeremy
Including photography related threads. :)
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You don't have the right to 'take someone down" because they are lawfully carrying a weapon. It remains to be seen if he was carrying that weapon lawfully.
I understand, but that might be splitting hairs awfully finely. If trouble breaks out and you see someone with a gun, you can see how it might be tempting to neutralize them. If he has a right to protect himself, then so do others.
He was there to help protect a business that had been partially burned the night before, along with others. He was also attending to injured people. Should he have had a gun? I would not have done it.
Was he in the place of business when the shootings happened? I don't know the details.
Besides, the way to protect a business is to buy insurance. You don't send a 17 year old with a gun. This is the real world, not a wild west dime novel.
But had the "mostly peaceful protestors" refrained from the destruction they had caused none of this would have happened.
Well sure, but if the cops hadn't shot ..... And if there had never been slavery....
I mean, that argument is never ending, isn't it? There's no smoke without fire. If a group repeatedly rises in anger, it simply can't be that there's no reason for it. People don't engage in violence for the hell of it. Of course some do exactly that, but not large numbers of ordinarily law-abiding people, life doesn't work like that.
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Even leaving politics aside, if you demoralize and hamstring the police to the point of them not being able to do their job, and then stoke racial unrest by accusing cops of murder before all the facts are released, you will create a void and that void will be filled. Although I am not condoning vigilantism, it is the logical conclusion of this situation that we have seen played out repeatably for the last 3 months. Vigilantes are much more likely to kill someone then cops, and that alone should be reason to support the police.
In the bigger picture, I have nothing but sympathy for the police. How can they do their job in a place where any nut case can buy a gun and there's seemingly no way for reasonable people to agree on how to prevent that happening. It's a miracle anyone sane wants the job.
There was an interesting podcast discussion recently about this precise issue on Joe Rogan's podcast, http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/nancy-panza (http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/nancy-panza). It's a wide ranging discussion. There seem to be obvious cases where police are asked to provide services outside their areas of competency and it's not fair to them. (I can't remember if I posted that link before, apologies if I did.)
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I understand, but that might be splitting hairs awfully finely. If trouble breaks out and you see someone with a gun, you can see how it might be tempting to neutralize them. If he has a right to protect himself, then so do others.
Its not splitting hairs at all. They went after him prior to any "trouble breaking out". He was not attacking any of them.
Was he in the place of business when the shootings happened? I don't know the details.
Besides, the way to protect a business is to buy insurance. You don't send a 17 year old with a gun. This is the real world, not a wild west dime novel.
I suggest you do a bit of research and find out for yourself.
The real world eh? Where thugs rampage and destroy business and property at will?
Well sure, but if the cops hadn't shot ..... And if there had never been slavery....
I mean, that argument is never ending, isn't it? There's no smoke without fire. If a group repeatedly rises in anger, it simply can't be that there's no reason for it. People don't engage in violence for the hell of it. Of course some do exactly that, but not large numbers of ordinarily law-abiding people, life doesn't work like that.
We are not talking about "large numbers of law abiding people" now are we?
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I just now listened to the speech Joe Biden gave yesterday in its entirety, and it is beyond me how much of a moral coward Biden is. I seem to remember in 2016 when Trump said there were bad people on both sides and was (rightly) called out for not putting the blame exactly where it lied in Charlottesville. Trump was derided for spreading the blame over everyone instead of calling out the white nationalists, and now Biden is doing the exact same thing, and crickets.
Not once did Biden mention Antifa or BLM, who are the only ones starting the violence and rioting currently. Not once.
Biden is no more moral then Trump. At least Trump actually went to Kenosha, meanwhile Biden is hiding in his basement.
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So Speaker of the House, Democrat Nancy Pelosi needed a blow and dry. She got videoed breaking the San Francisco rules against indoor salons plus she didn't wear a mask. Hypocrisy again from the Democrats, pointing fingers at the president, shutting down the economy to make Trump look bad, etc. What phonies.
Nancy Pelosi gets hair done at SF salon in spite of COVID-19 rules
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/nancy-pelosi-gets-hair-done-at-sf-salon-in-spite-of-covid-19-rules/
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So Speaker of the House, Democrat Nancy Pelosi needed a blow and dry. She got videoed breaking the San Francisco rules against indoor salons plus she didn't wear a mask. Hypocrisy again from the Democrats, pointing fingers at the president, shutting down the economy to make Trump look bad, etc. What phonies.
Nancy Pelosi gets hair done at SF salon in spite of COVID-19 rules
https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/nancy-pelosi-gets-hair-done-at-sf-salon-in-spite-of-covid-19-rules/
Our liberal mayor in Philly shut indoor dining months ago, constantly pushed the date back, and was photographed going to Maryland to eat inside without a face mask.
Hey, at least some of us are getting back to normal living. Just think how great it will be when we can all partake in the pleasures of royalty. That's what they call progress, right?
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Now there's an ideal; but if posting in this thread, or other threads on this site, were restricted to people who know what they're talking about, the forum would be awfully quiet.
Jeremy
Steady on - you may have to ban yourself for making unnecessary inflammatory remarks.
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Its not splitting hairs at all. They went after him prior to any "trouble breaking out". He was not attacking any of them.
I suggest you do a bit of research and find out for yourself.
The real world eh? Where thugs rampage and destroy business and property at will?
We are not talking about "large numbers of law abiding people" now are we?
And yet, after all the mobs, the thugs, the loaded handguns and skateboards, only one person shot anyone, and he walked away unscathed. Maybe things are not as you claim, eh?
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And yet, after all the mobs, the thugs, the loaded handguns and skateboards, only one person shot anyone, and he walked away unscathed. Maybe things are not as you claim, eh?
No. they are exactly as I claimed. Learn to read. They were the first to attack, Ritttenhouse was in full on retreat and he defended himself. And thats why he is still alive. Unscathed? I think not.
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And yet, after all the mobs, the thugs, the loaded handguns and skateboards, only one person shot anyone, and he walked away unscathed. Maybe things are not as you claim, eh?
The NYTs, surprisingly, had a very accurate write up on this. He did not shoot first. One of the people he shot had a handgun and aimed it at Rittenhouse first and fired, although missed. It is only after this that Rittenhouse returned fire. There is video showing this.
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Speaking as an outsider, it's very interesting observing all the spin here.
A 17 year old with a rifle is "protecting a business" (Who sends a 17 year old with a rifle to protect a business?) and that's presented as normal and ok because of, you know, the 2nd amendment and all, I guess. Some people bend over backward to find ways to proclaim his innocence, and that may very well turn out to be the case.
It will be interesting to find out what emerges about his background in the next while and the reactions to it. Because, in the past, when some unarmed black teenager has been shot, stories started to appear pretty quickly about the kid's troubled past, even though the relevance to the shooting in question was not often clear, to me anyway. Does it matter that he was in trouble with the cops 2 months before? But the media muddling was obvious enough, "the kid was trouble, he had it coming." Those words were never said explicitly, I don't believe, but that's what everyone understood it to mean.
Take the statement above about the video showing that the 17 year old had been shot at earlier. OK, but is THAT in context? Why did that other person shoot at the 17 year old? We don't really know that yet, do we, yet sides are being drawn based on obvious politics, as if what's important here is the political spin.
When people believe that they have a right to protect themselves by carrying weapons in an open society, stuff like this is going to happen. You can nit pick that the 17 year old had a right to carry a weapon but you may be missing the bigger problem.
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The NYTs, surprisingly, had a very accurate write up on this. He did not shoot first. One of the people he shot had a handgun and aimed it at Rittenhouse first and fired, although missed. It is only after this that Rittenhouse returned fire. There is video showing this.
I wonder how would the media react if the person with handgun were a better shooter and if he had hit Rittenhouse?
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I wonder how would the media react if the person with handgun were a better shooter and if he had hit the Rittenhouse?
Do we know if one of the people who was killed was the guy who shot at him earlier? I could see why he'd feel threatened by that person.
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The NYTs, surprisingly, had a very accurate write up on this. He did not shoot first. One of the people he shot had a handgun and aimed it at Rittenhouse first and fired, although missed. It is only after this that Rittenhouse returned fire. There is video showing this.
Well according to the NYT:
First shooting
While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.
Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.
and the eye witness testimony is here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9sDjYr1Nj_fpFr9bTycWPG8tS2aPDeL/view
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Well according to the NYT:
First shooting
While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.
Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.
and the eye witness testimony is here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9sDjYr1Nj_fpFr9bTycWPG8tS2aPDeL/view
So that’s the police report. What did I have wrong?
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Speaking as an outsider, it's very interesting observing all the spin here.
A 17 year old with a rifle is "protecting a business" (Who sends a 17 year old with a rifle to protect a business?) and that's presented as normal and ok because of, you know, the 2nd amendment and all, I guess. Some people bend over backward to find ways to proclaim his innocence, and that may very well turn out to be the case.
It will be interesting to find out what emerges about his background in the next while and the reactions to it. Because, in the past, when some unarmed black teenager has been shot, stories started to appear pretty quickly about the kid's troubled past, even though the relevance to the shooting in question was not often clear, to me anyway. Does it matter that he was in trouble with the cops 2 months before? But the media muddling was obvious enough, "the kid was trouble, he had it coming." Those words were never said explicitly, I don't believe, but that's what everyone understood it to mean.
Take the statement above about the video showing that the 17 year old had been shot at earlier. OK, but is THAT in context? Why did that other person shoot at the 17 year old? We don't really know that yet, do we, yet sides are being drawn based on obvious politics, as if what's important here is the political spin.
When people believe that they have a right to protect themselves by carrying weapons in an open society, stuff like this is going to happen. You can nit pick that the 17 year old had a right to carry a weapon but you may be missing the bigger problem.
You can find out all you want about the shooter and targets by simply doing a google. One 17 year old kid who liked the police and three guys who have criminal pasts...one a registered sex offender for sex with a minor.
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He should have stayed home.
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He should have stayed home.
On that I agree.
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I wonder how would the media react if the person with handgun were a better shooter and if he had hit Rittenhouse?
It would have been buried, just like the conservative killed in cold blood over the weekend in Portland. Have you read about that?
A man that was a conservative in a counter protest (that did not bring any lethal weapons) was just hanging out, not being a threat to anyone, and, on the tape, you hear someone say to the effect, we have a Trump supporter here, and then shots ring out killing him.
A BLM member did the shooting, and, thankfully, his estranged family turned him in. It also should be mentioned that he was arrested a few weeks earlier on a weapons charge that was dropped without a clear reason given, even though we all know the reason is because liberal DAs are refusing to prosecute many crimes.
Barely a peep about it.
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What he did was stupid and immature. You don't walk into a tinderbox with a lit flame whether legal or not. He knew what happens at these demonstrations. They've been all over the TV. They turn into riots with guns and Molotov cocktails. He was looking for trouble. A wise-ass kid of 17 trying to prove something. Where were his parents? He's a minor? So now he's killed two people injured a third and ruined his life, his family's lives as they use all their resources to defend him. Long after the ego trip is gone, he has to live with his conscience.
Legally, he's in serious trouble as well. It doesn;t matter what happened earlier how he might have been threatened. The scene I saw was that he rolled over and pointed the rifle and the guy slightly backed off. He fired anyway killing an unarmed man with an AR-15 at two feet. It'll be hard to argue that that man threatened his life. If someone punches you, I don't think you can shoot him. The prosecutions going to argue he was a threat to the man who hit him as he was carrying a dangerous gun.
But all that is beside the point. You have to know when to keep your fly zipped.
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What he did was stupid and immature. You don't walk into a tinderbox with a lit flame whether legal or not. He knew what happens at these demonstrations. They've been all over the TV. They turn into riots with guns and Molotov cocktails. He was looking for trouble. A wise-ass kid of 17 trying to prove something. Where were his parents? He's a minor? So now he's killed two people injured a third and ruined his life, his family's lives as they use all their resources to defend him. Long after the ego trip is gone, he has to live with his conscience.
Legally, he's in serious trouble as well. It doesn;t matter what happened earlier how he might have been threatened. The scene I saw was that he rolled over and pointed the rifle and the guy slightly backed off. He fired anyway killing an unarmed man with an AR-15 at two feet. It'll be hard to argue that that man threatened his life. If someone punches you, I don't think you can shoot him. The prosecutions going to argue he was a threat to the man who hit him as he was carrying a dangerous gun.
But all that is beside the point. You have to know when to keep your fly zipped.
Could you show me that video?
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Could you show me that video?
Craig, I don't want to get into the legal argument. I shouldn't have even brought it up. Let the courts decide. My point was he didn't belong there from a practical standpoint. But he didn't have the maturity to know he didn't. He legally had the right to own a gun. But at 17 he hadn't the common sense to know that you don't walk around violent demonstrations challenging people with an open weapon.
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The guys who got shot were pretty stupid too. Who brings a skateboard to a gunfight? They were all violating curfew on both sides. They all should have been home. It was trouble waiting to happen and it did.
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The Dems must be worried.
Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania shrinks to 4 points in new poll
The previous version of the same survey showed him with majority support among the state’s registered voters.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/02/biden-lead-poll-pennsylvania-407682
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Cut funding to cities that behave badly, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514903-trump-calls-for-review-to-cut-funding-to-cities-with-lawless-protests (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514903-trump-calls-for-review-to-cut-funding-to-cities-with-lawless-protests). I'm sure that will help.
This idea will likely die quickly, never to be mentioned again, like many many others, but you got to wonder, why say it at all.
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Cut funding to cities that behave badly, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514903-trump-calls-for-review-to-cut-funding-to-cities-with-lawless-protests (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514903-trump-calls-for-review-to-cut-funding-to-cities-with-lawless-protests). I'm sure that will help.
This idea will likely die quickly, never to be mentioned again, like many many others, but you got to wonder, why say it at all.
I'd agree with it. I am a firm believer in Menckens, "democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
I dont believe any city or state should get any federal funding, for anything, let alone policing.
But anyway, the result of this liberal madness (and it is madness) will be the same it has always been, people with money (especially liberals, since they tend to be weak) in crazy areas will move to less crazy areas, leaving those without money in even worse economic positions. This will then make the economic divide even worse.
It is even starting to show up in school systems. Many democratic school districts remain closed, but they are renting their school buildings out to professional tutoring companies to provide in-person monitored online learning for children in the district ... for a price of $140 per week. My friend on Havertown, PA is dealing with this right now.
So the rich will continue to educate their children while the poor will rely on online services, which, as a former teacher, I know to be a complete joke. The fact that this is blatantly political makes it even worse.
In Havertown, the district did a survey of the parents to see if they wanted in person teaching. The survey found that the majority of the parents did, but the district ignored the parents and capitulated to the teacher's union instead.
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Actually, no. While it clearly is inappropriate for a president to state an opinion regarding facts that may be the subject of a future criminal trial―Trump simply should have responded to the reporter's question with an anodyne statement to the effect that he was not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation―"being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer" would have been a far more serious blunder than what he actually said because if "this guy" is put on trial for murder, a statement of that nature would have provided the defense with enormous leverage to use in negotiations with the prosecution for a plea to a lesser offense. It would have handed the defendant's attorney a powerful argument that a fair trial would be impossible, not only in Wisconsin but anywhere in the country, because of a prejudicial statement by the highest elected official in the country.
Again, Trump's comment was clearly inappropriate, but what you are suggesting would have been much worse.
I agree Chris, what I wrote wasn't properly stated.
What I meant to say that is that Trump should have condemned with total clarity violent actions, be it from people sharing his views. Him not doing so is unheard of in a democratic state in such situations.
I agree that, although the images are 100% clear about what happened, it's an on-going investigation.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump claimed some awful things a couple of days ago, I managed to miss it when it happened, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729). Someone claimed to have seen a plane full of thugs, he said, going somewhere to disrupt something.
Were they from Roswell, I wonder?
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Trump claimed some awful things a couple of days ago, I managed to miss it when it happened, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729). Someone claimed to have seen a plane full of thugs, he said, going somewhere to disrupt something.
Were they from Roswell, I wonder?
It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.
How did we fall so far in such little time?
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Another idiot who should have stayed home.
Suspect in fatal Portland shooting of right-wing activist killed during attempted arrest, US Marshals say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html
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It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.
How did we fall so far in such little time?
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AG Barr: Antifa flying around the country...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-barr-police/us-attorney-general-barr-says-antifa-flying-around-us-to-incite-violence-idUSKBN25T3AI
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It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.
How did we fall so far in such little time?
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AG Barr: Antifa flying around the country...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-barr-police/us-attorney-general-barr-says-antifa-flying-around-us-to-incite-violence-idUSKBN25T3AI
Oh...so Barr says so...it must be true. Trump's right hand man. You got to be a fool to believe anything coming out of the mouths of people that Trump has surrounded himself with. Anyone that ever said anything that conflicted with Trump has been fired...so the yes-man brigade remains.
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Oh...so Barr says so...it must be true. Trump's right hand man. You got to be a fool to believe anything coming out of the mouths of people that Trump has surrounded himself with. Anyone that ever said anything that conflicted with Trump has been fired...so the yes-man brigade remains.
Believe what you want. Whatever fits your agenda.
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Believe what you want. Whatever fits your agenda.
But don't you find it a little bit suspect that they would all wear black together on on airplane? There ought to be photos or videos all over the web by now.
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But don't you find it a little bit suspect that they would all wear black together on on airplane? There ought to be photos or videos all over the web by now.
Not a bit. We know they are traveling from city to city and what better target than Thumps acceptancce speach.
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Not a bit. We know they are traveling from city to city and what better target than Thumps acceptancce speach.
We know? Because Trump said so?
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We know? Because Trump said so?
Do you ever really read the news? Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/
Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
Every heard of Riot Kitchen? In Kenosha? Really?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/
Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?
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Do you ever really read the news? Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/
Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
Every heard of Riot Kitchen? In Kenosha? Really?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/
Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?
What about the right wing militia carrying AK-47 guns killing 2 people. What about all the militia in Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles Do you think maybe...just maybe they are imported as well?
Still have not seen any images of this airplane full of thugs wearing black posted anywhere. Maybe Trump let out a little white lie...he's been known to do that you know.
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They all should stay home.
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What about the right wing militia carrying AK-47 guns killing 2 people. What about all the militia in Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles Do you think maybe...just maybe they are imported as well?
Still have not seen any images of this airplane full of thugs wearing black posted anywhere. Maybe Trump let out a little white lie...he's been known to do that you know.
Like I said, chez or whoever you are today, believe what you like.
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Do you ever really read the news? Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/
Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?
https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
Every heard of Riot Kitchen? In Kenosha? Really?
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/
Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?
From out of town? So what? Where do you think that caravan of Trump supporters came from. This whole situation affects all Americans, it is not just local. This a tired right-wing bogey man, the "out of town agitators" crap.
And the NY Post? Seriously? It's a sensationalist tabloid. Why pollute your brain with such crap? Or maybe you just don't care.
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109-Year-Old Rode’s Camera Shop Burned Down in Kenosha. Along with old prints, negatives and some special equipment.
Actually, it didn't burn down by itself, someone set it on fire.
Rode’s Camera Shop, a 109-year-old camera store, burned down last week during rioting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, sparked by the shooting of 29-year-old African-American man Jacob Blake by a police officer.
The store first opened in 1911 and became a fixture in the community for over a century as a place to buy camera gear and get photos processed in the lab. The business was owned by the Rode family until eight years ago when it was purchased by business partners Paul Willette and Tom Gram. Gram had worked at the store for 41 years prior to taking over.
“This was just a building, but people’s memories were inside. That’s what is killing me,” Willette tells Kenosha News. “A woman had just come in Monday and brought in a photo of her grandparents in elementary school, wanting it to be restored. I left it on my desk. Now it’s all gone. Our customers lost family memories.”
https://petapixel.com/2020/09/02/109-year-old-rodes-camera-shop-burned-down-in-kenosha/
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From out of town? So what? Where do you think that caravan of Trump supporters came from. This whole situation affects all Americans, it is not just local. This a tired right-wing bogey man, the "out of town agitators" crap.
And the NY Post? Seriously? It's a sensationalist tabloid. Why pollute your brain with such crap? Or maybe you just don't care.
So, you can’t refute the facts. Thanks for the admission. BTW, are Trump supporters burning down city blocks and looting stores? Just curious.
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False Claims of Antifa Protesters Plague Small US Cities
"In the days since President Donald Trump blamed antifa activists for an eruption of violence at protests over police killings of black people, social media has lit up with false rumors that the far-left-leaning group is transporting people to wreak havoc on small cities across America.
The speculation was being raised by conservative news outlets and pro-Trump social media accounts, as well as impostor Facebook and Twitter accounts.
Twitter and Facebook busted some of the instigators behind the unsubstantiated social media chatter. Twitter determined Monday that a tweet promising antifa would "move into residential areas" and "white" neighborhoods was sent by the white supremacy group Identity Evropa. The tweet was shared hundreds of times and cited in online news articles before Twitter removed it Monday, a company spokesperson said.
Yet the tweet continued to circulate Tuesday on Facebook and Instagram.
Facebook, using information shared by Twitter, announced Tuesday night it also took down a handful of accounts on its platform that were created by white supremacy groups like Identity Evropa and American Guard, some of them posing as part of the antifa movement.
For years, some social media users have tried to delegitimize controversial or political protests with baseless theories that they were organized by wealthy financiers or extremists organizations. Over the weekend, Trump singled out antifa as being responsible for the violent protests triggered by the killing of George Floyd, saying in a tweet: "It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left."
"Usually you see this when there's an interest to deflect conversations from protests to just accusing the protests of being violent, organized or having backers that are evil,"said Filippo Menczer, a professor of informatics and computer science at Indiana University. "The president mentioning it, of course, has generated a huge spike."
More at:
https://www.voanews.com/usa/false-claims-antifa-protesters-plague-small-us-cities (https://www.voanews.com/usa/false-claims-antifa-protesters-plague-small-us-cities-0)
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Lara Logan, the Fox ‘Investigative Journalist’ Who Keeps Falling for Antifa Hoaxes
"The key “investigative journalist” lending credibility to Fox News’ incessant coverage of an alleged “antifa” insurgency has frequently promoted obvious hoaxes about her supposed area of expertise.
Lara Logan, an award-winning former CBS News correspondent who joined Fox News as a host on their online-streaming service Fox Nation last year and has been billed an “investigative journalist” by herself and in promos, has become a fixture of the network’s coverage of the loosely organized anti-fascist movement.
But a review of Logan’s reporting—both online and on Fox News—shows a clear pattern of repeatedly falling for obvious hoaxes and passing along eye-popping but completely unsubstantiated claims.
Fox News and Logan didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Logan posted a picture of a tweet purporting to come from a national antifa group threatening to terrorize majority-white neighborhoods. The tweet she cited read: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades...Tonight we say ‘F**k The City’ and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what’s ours,” along with a black raised-fist emoji.
That tweet turned out to have come from a fake account linked to white-nationalist group Identity Europa posing as antifa while calling for violence. The fake antifa account even included the acronym “I.E.” in its logo, a clear reference to its ties to Identity Europa.
After being called out for credulously passing along two hoaxes, Logan did not correct, update, or delete either tweet, instead lashing out at critics as waging a smear campaign to “destroy” her. There can be “no doubt,” she wrote, that liberal media-monitoring group Media Matters for America had “marshaled their army & all their resources” against her. (In 2013, Media Matters exposed Logan’s false 60 Minutes reporting on Benghazi, which resulted in a retraction, an on-air apology from Logan, and a leave of absence.)
Several days after posting the fake antifa tweets, Logan would again fall for another hoax—this time taking an obvious joke about rap-loving clowns as serious proof of an antifa conspiracy.
As a joke, one Twitter user wrote a thread connecting antifa to costume-wearing furries, Korean pop listeners, and the rowdy, soda-chugging fans of horrorcore rap duo Insane Clown Posse, who call themselves “juggalos” and dress up in clown makeup.
Even as Logan struggles to discern disinformation and parody from verifiable evidence, Fox News has repeatedly touted Logan’s expertise on antifa during her on-air appearances."
More at:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-logan-the-fox-nation-investigative-journalist-who-keeps-falling-for-antifa-hoaxes (https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-logan-the-fox-nation-investigative-journalist-who-keeps-falling-for-antifa-hoaxes)
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Trump's 'plane loaded with thugs' conspiracy theory matches months-old rumor
Evidence-free social media posts about groups of people coming to terrorize suburbs have thrived in recent months, inspiring some people to arm themselves.
"The claim about the flight matches a viral Facebook post from June 1 that falsely claimed, “At least a dozen males got off the plane in Boise from Seattle, dressed head to toe in black.” The post, by an Emmett, Idaho, man, warned residents to “Be ready for attacks downtown and residential areas,” and claimed one passenger had “a tattoo that said Antifa America on his arm.”
That post was shared over 3,000 times on Facebook, and other pages from Idaho quickly added their own spin to it, like the Idaho branch of the far-right militia group 3 Percenters.
One post claimed that “Antifa has sent a plane load of their people” and that the Payette County Sheriff’s Office confirmed it. Within days, that version of the rumor picked up enough steam in Idaho Facebook groups that the Payette County Sheriff’s Office had to release a statement insisting that the viral rumor was “false information.”
Rumors of marauding bands of Antifa supporters have plagued local Facebook groups, chain emails and forwarded text messages since mid-May. One of the most viral rumors on an Antifa invasion into the suburbs was taken down after Twitter said it was created by a troll account with ties to white nationalists.
Some armed Americans took to town squares in several towns to fight off fictitious busloads of Antifa in June, spurred by false rumors on Facebook pages. Seven days after the original Idaho rumor went viral on Facebook, armed men stood guard over protests in Missoula, Montana, worried about the planeloads of Antifa supporters."
More at:
https://www.nbcnews.com/trump-s-plane-loaded-thugs-rumor-matches-months-old-facebook (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-plane-loaded-thugs-rumor-matches-months-old-facebook-n1238962)
https://www.nbcnews.com/klamath-falls-oregon-victory-declared-over-antifa-which-never-showed (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/klamath-falls-oregon-victory-declared-over-antifa-which-never-showed-n1226681)
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2 militia members who went to Kenosha face gun charges
"Two Missouri militia members who authorities say traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, with a cache of guns to see President Donald Trump’s visit in the wake of the police shooting of Jacob Blake are facing federal firearms charges, the U.S. attorney’s office in Milwaukee said.
The FBI arrested Michael Karmo and Cody Smith at a hotel in Pleasant Prairie, about 7 miles (11 kilometers) from Kenosha, on Tuesday, the same day that Trump visited the area to tour businesses that were damaged amid unrest that followed the Aug. 23 shooting of Blake, a 29-year-old Black man. The agents found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, two handguns, ammunition and other tactical gear, according to a criminal complaint.
Both men had criminal records that meant they could not legally possess firearms, according to federal prosecutors.
Federal investigators said Smith and Karmo, who were roommates, drove from Hartville, Missouri, for Trump’s visit and to see the damage in Kenosha. Karmo told investigators that they worked together and were a part of a Missouri militia.
The FBI was alerted to the men by an Iowa law enforcement agency that passed along a tip from an acquaintance of the men. The acquaintance said the men were traveling to Kenosha with guns to steal from businesses and possibly “pick people off,” according to a criminal complaint.
Karmo told investigators the men also planned to go to Portland, Oregon, where protests have erupted daily since George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis in May after an officer pressed a knee into the Black man’s neck for nearly eight minutes."
More at:
https://apnews.com/2 militia members who went to Kenosha face gun charges (https://apnews.com/5a5f07bcce24fe1840767faa7189bd28)
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Lara Logan, the Fox ‘Investigative Journalist’ Who Keeps Falling for Antifa Hoaxes
"The key “investigative journalist” lending credibility to Fox News’ incessant coverage of an alleged “antifa” insurgency has frequently promoted obvious hoaxes about her supposed area of expertise.
Lara Logan, an award-winning former CBS News correspondent who joined Fox News as a host on their online-streaming service Fox Nation last year and has been billed an “investigative journalist” by herself and in promos, has become a fixture of the network’s coverage of the loosely organized anti-fascist movement.
But a review of Logan’s reporting—both online and on Fox News—shows a clear pattern of repeatedly falling for obvious hoaxes and passing along eye-popping but completely unsubstantiated claims.
Fox News and Logan didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Logan posted a picture of a tweet purporting to come from a national antifa group threatening to terrorize majority-white neighborhoods. The tweet she cited read: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades...Tonight we say ‘F**k The City’ and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what’s ours,” along with a black raised-fist emoji.
That tweet turned out to have come from a fake account linked to white-nationalist group Identity Europa posing as antifa while calling for violence. The fake antifa account even included the acronym “I.E.” in its logo, a clear reference to its ties to Identity Europa.
After being called out for credulously passing along two hoaxes, Logan did not correct, update, or delete either tweet, instead lashing out at critics as waging a smear campaign to “destroy” her. There can be “no doubt,” she wrote, that liberal media-monitoring group Media Matters for America had “marshaled their army & all their resources” against her. (In 2013, Media Matters exposed Logan’s false 60 Minutes reporting on Benghazi, which resulted in a retraction, an on-air apology from Logan, and a leave of absence.)
Several days after posting the fake antifa tweets, Logan would again fall for another hoax—this time taking an obvious joke about rap-loving clowns as serious proof of an antifa conspiracy.
As a joke, one Twitter user wrote a thread connecting antifa to costume-wearing furries, Korean pop listeners, and the rowdy, soda-chugging fans of horrorcore rap duo Insane Clown Posse, who call themselves “juggalos” and dress up in clown makeup.
Even as Logan struggles to discern disinformation and parody from verifiable evidence, Fox News has repeatedly touted Logan’s expertise on antifa during her on-air appearances."
More at:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-logan-the-fox-nation-investigative-journalist-who-keeps-falling-for-antifa-hoaxes (https://www.thedailybeast.com/lara-logan-the-fox-nation-investigative-journalist-who-keeps-falling-for-antifa-hoaxes)
And yet the protestors, call them Antifa or BLM or whatever did take to the neighborhoods. Imagine that. Talk to the McCloskeys.
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2 militia members who went to Kenosha face gun charges
"Two Missouri militia members who authorities say traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, with a cache of guns to see President Donald Trump’s visit in the wake of the police shooting of Jacob Blake are facing federal firearms charges, the U.S. attorney’s office in Milwaukee said.
The FBI arrested Michael Karmo and Cody Smith at a hotel in Pleasant Prairie, about 7 miles (11 kilometers) from Kenosha, on Tuesday, the same day that Trump visited the area to tour businesses that were damaged amid unrest that followed the Aug. 23 shooting of Blake, a 29-year-old Black man. The agents found an AR-15-style rifle, a shotgun, two handguns, ammunition and other tactical gear, according to a criminal complaint.
Both men had criminal records that meant they could not legally possess firearms, according to federal prosecutors.
Federal investigators said Smith and Karmo, who were roommates, drove from Hartville, Missouri, for Trump’s visit and to see the damage in Kenosha. Karmo told investigators that they worked together and were a part of a Missouri militia.
The FBI was alerted to the men by an Iowa law enforcement agency that passed along a tip from an acquaintance of the men. The acquaintance said the men were traveling to Kenosha with guns to steal from businesses and possibly “pick people off,” according to a criminal complaint.
Karmo told investigators the men also planned to go to Portland, Oregon, where protests have erupted daily since George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis in May after an officer pressed a knee into the Black man’s neck for nearly eight minutes."
More at:
https://apnews.com/2 militia members who went to Kenosha face gun charges (https://apnews.com/5a5f07bcce24fe1840767faa7189bd28)
Two, compared to how many “skateboarders in Black”?
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Oops. He forgot.
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/joe-biden-handshake-09.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=568)
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Oops. He forgot.
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As long as he doesn't touch his face and washes his hands...he's good. Both wearing a mask is the best defence here.
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As long as he doesn't touch his face and washes his hands...he's good. Both wearing a mask is the best defence here.
He won't remember to not touch his face. He couldn't remember to not shake hands.
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He won't remember to not touch his face. He couldn't remember to not shake hands.
Actually it's a habit that one quickly learns to not do. Personally I'm very conscious of not touching my face when I'm out doing things like shopping. Constantly use hand disinfectants whenever I see them and religiously wash my hands when I get home.
There is no defence against not wearing a mask when you are in close contact which is the highest cause of transmission. One is very selfish not to wear a mask if they know they'll be in close contact with people.
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Actually it's a habit that one quickly learns to not do. Personally I'm very conscious of not touching my face when I'm out doing things like shopping. Constantly use hand disinfectants whenever I see them and religiously wash my hands when I get home.
There is no defence against not wearing a mask when you are in close contact which is the highest cause of transmission. One is very selfish not to wear a mask if they know they'll be in close contact with people.
That's where you draw the line. Some people feel you're selfish if you don't wear a mask all the time you're out. Are you selfish?
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That's where you draw the line. Some people feel you're selfish if you don't wear a mask all the time you're out. Are you selfish?
Are you running out of talking points? :)
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Yeah. I'm getting bored. Need to get out and shoot pictures. :)
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OK. Here's one I took the other slow day in NYC. He's one of the three black Americans who's going to vote for Trump. ::)
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That's where you draw the line. Some people feel you're selfish if you don't wear a mask all the time you're out. Are you selfish?
I wear a mask when I'm going to be in close contact with people. When I take my dog for a walk I don't wear a mask because I can distance myself from other people. Going to a store, yep mask on.
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I wear a mask when I'm going to be in close contact with people. When I take my dog for a walk I don't wear a mask because I can distance myself from other people. Going to a store, yep mask on.
There are some people who think you should wear it all the time you're out. They feel you're selfish if you don't.
My point is everyone draws the line differently. Some people think the economy should be open more even if the risk of infection and sickness and death goes up. They feel that loss of their business or job is more critical than the extra chance of getting Covid. How are they selfish? Don't they have a right to eat and feed and house their families? Wouldn't it be selfish of those who insist they stop working instead and become homeless and hungry? Why do people on the left and socialists always bring up selfishness - of others? They never can see the broader view that self-interest and standards affect everyone's line drawing.
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This week Trump repeatedly made the incredibly stupid recommendation that voters should try to vote twice, once by mail and then again in person to test whether their mail-in ballot had been counted. Unless a mail-in ballot has already been invalidated, you will be commiting a Federal felony by attempting to vote again in person. The Federal penalty is up to five years in prison. There are also State laws that prohibit this.
Also, states have differing laws regarding when mail-in ballots can be processed and when the processed ballots may be counted.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin (https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx)
Elections officials and voting experts say President Donald Trump gave bad advice when he encouraged mail-in voters to show up at polling places on Election Day and cast an in-person ballot if poll workers can’t confirm that their mail-in ballot was received.
It is unnecessary, will likely cause long delays at polling places, and could be illegal. In many states, poll workers will not know whether a mail-in ballot has been received and accepted.
Voting officials say those are far better methods to check whether your mail-in ballot has been accepted than to show up at the polling place on Election Day.
“I would not say that many precincts have the ability to tell a voter whether their ballot has been received AND accepted for counting,” Lonna Atkeson, a political science professor at the University of New Mexico and an expert in election administration, told us via email. “Some places might be able to tell you that, some places might be able to tell you it was received. A lot of places, most I would say, wouldn’t have that information at all.”
Perhaps one of the most troubling concerns, voting experts say, is that Trump’s advice could wreak Election Day havoc.
If people take Trump’s advice in large numbers on Election Day, it is likely to “gum up the works” at polling places and result in long lines at the polls, Weil told us.
“Lines are already going to be long in some places on Election Day,” Hasen said in his piece for Slate. “The pandemic means it is harder to find poll workers and so there will be polling place consolidations and fewer workers, all contributing to a longer queue. Trump’s suggestion for his supporters to go to a polling place to try to vote twice—and via a complex procedure of trying to get a poll worker to confirm that an absentee ballot has been tabulated, which in some cases it will not have been—will add to those long lines. … Those long lines will do real damage to an Election Day infrastructure that is already looking stretched to the limits.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-bad-advice-for-mail-in-voters/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-bad-advice-for-mail-in-voters/) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/donald-trump-vote-twice-election-day-chaos.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/donald-trump-vote-twice-election-day-chaos.html)
A voter in Texas attempted to vote twice for Trump in 2016 and was immediately arrested and charged with a felony. He told authorities that he was "helping the Trump campaign and testing election security". https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/sheriff-man-arrested-for-trying-to-vote-twice/ (https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/sheriff-man-arrested-for-trying-to-vote-twice/) https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/11/09/man-arrested-after-trying-to-vote-twice-in-fort-bend-county-officials-say/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/11/09/man-arrested-after-trying-to-vote-twice-in-fort-bend-county-officials-say/)
A woman in Iowa also attempted to vote twice for Trump in 2016. She told police she believed Trump’s claims that the election was rigged and she feared her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton. She received two years of probation on a felony charge. https://apnews.com/Iowa woman who tried to vote twice for Trump gets probation (https://apnews.com/2a9b27c383924c6b97df3c3c69b66039)
The efforts to sow confusion, chaos, delay, and distrust in the election system is designed to cast doubt in the legitimacy of the election, in the minds of Trump supporters, in the event of a Biden win and is naturally being mirrored and amplified by Russian Intelligence operations.
Russia has sought to “amplify” concerns over the integrity of U.S. elections by promoting allegations that mail-in voting will lead to widespread fraud, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by ABC News, again echoing a frequent and unfounded complaint raised by President Donald Trump.
Analysts with the Department of Homeland Security’s intelligence branch issued the warning on Thursday to federal and state law enforcement partners after finding with “high confidence” that “Russian malign influence actors” have targeted the absentee voting process “by spreading disinformation” since at least March.
John Cohen, the former undersecretary for intelligence at DHS under President Barack Obama, said the parallel messages emanating from both the Trump campaign and Russian malign actors is “highly disturbing.”
“This most recent DHS intelligence report along with other recent reporting by intelligence and law enforcement entities should put to rest any doubts that Russia is spreading conspiracy theories and lies in an effort to influence the outcome of the 2020 election by undermining confidence in the election process and influence voter opinion,” said Cohen, who is also an ABC News contributor.
https://abcnews.go.com/russia-amplifying-claims-mail-voter-fraud-intel-bulletin (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russia-amplifying-claims-mail-voter-fraud-intel-bulletin/story?id=72799959)
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This week Trump repeatedly made the incredibly stupid recommendation that voters should try to vote twice, once by mail and then again in person to test whether their mail-in ballot had been counted. Unless a mail-in ballot has already been invalidated, you will be commiting a Federal felony by attempting to vote again in person. The Federal penalty is up to five years in prison. There are also State laws that prohibit this.
Also, states have differing laws regarding when mail-in ballots can be processed and when the processed ballots may be counted.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin (https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx)
A voter in Texas attempted to vote twice for Trump in 2016 and was immediately arrested and charged with a felony. He told authorities that he was "helping the Trump campaign and testing election security". https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/sheriff-man-arrested-for-trying-to-vote-twice/ (https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/sheriff-man-arrested-for-trying-to-vote-twice/) https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/11/09/man-arrested-after-trying-to-vote-twice-in-fort-bend-county-officials-say/ (https://www.click2houston.com/news/2016/11/09/man-arrested-after-trying-to-vote-twice-in-fort-bend-county-officials-say/)
A woman in Iowa also attempted to vote twice for Trump in 2016. She told police she believed Trump’s claims that the election was rigged and she feared her first ballot would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton. She received two years of probation on a felony charge. https://apnews.com/Iowa woman who tried to vote twice for Trump gets probation (https://apnews.com/2a9b27c383924c6b97df3c3c69b66039)
The efforts to sow confusion, chaos, delay, and distrust in the election system is designed to cast doubt in the legitimacy of the election, in the minds of Trump supporters, in the event of a Biden win and is naturally being mirrored and amplified by Russian Intelligence operations.
Trump trolls, liberal heads explode...
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An opinion piece regarding The Atlantic article on Trump's disrespect for war dead and soldier's sacrifices. https://www.theatlantic.com/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/)
Trump Defenders Suggest Blockbuster Report of Trump Insulting War Dead Will be Retracted — But Then AP Reporter Confirms It
"Whenever a new report comes out that President Donald Trump said or did something rude, dumb, or embarrassing, his supporters engage in a tediously predictable cycle: 1) they insist it did not happen (“Fake news!”), 2) they claim Trump was just joking (Poe’s Law), 3) they argue it doesn’t matter, 4) they say even if you think it matters, it’s not a big deal because the really bad people are the Democrats/the media/Hollywood celebrities/whoever Trump is mad at today, and then finally 5) some new awful story pops up to grab everyone’s attention and the cycle starts anew."
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/trump-defenders-suggest-blockbuster-report-of-trump-insulting-war-dead-will-be-retracted-but-then-ap-reporter-confirms-it/ (https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/trump-defenders-suggest-blockbuster-report-of-trump-insulting-war-dead-will-be-retracted-but-then-ap-reporter-confirms-it/)
Much of the reporting contained in The Atlantic article has now been independently confirmed by AP, Fox News, and the Washington Post
https://apnews.com/Report: Trump disparaged US war dead as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers’ (https://apnews.com/b823f2c285641a4a09a96a0b195636ed)
Fox Video https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-correspondent-two-top-officials-who-were-on-france-trip-with-trump-confirmed-to-me-key-details-of-atlantic-report/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-correspondent-two-top-officials-who-were-on-france-trip-with-trump-confirmed-to-me-key-details-of-atlantic-report/?utm_source=mostpopular)
https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/National Security Correspondent for @FoxNews/Trump Disparaged Veterans (https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1301975321495973889)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-us-soldiers-injured-and-killed-in-war-were-losers-magazine-reports/2020/09/03/ (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qThIN9M83iUJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-said-us-soldiers-injured-and-killed-in-war-were-losers-magazine-reports/2020/09/03/6e1725cc-ee35-11ea-99a1-71343d03bc29_story.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari)
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I've complained about liberal, anti-Trump Democrat, The Atlantic magazine here many times. I saw an interview with the editor, Jeff Goldberg, a few months or a year back that confirmed how much he hates Trump. So it's not surprising that right before the election they came up with a phoney story feeding on certain things Trump has said long before he became president. He opposed the Vietnam War and Iraq War. He thought people were foolish who supported it. They were stupid wars. But the damage charge that he supposedly said at D DAy was not confirmed by anyone. He didn't go to the cemetery ceremonies because his helicopter was grounded due to bad weather. Even John Bolton who wrote a nasty book about Trump and who was at the D-Day ceremonies with Trump, confirmed that he said nothing of the sort and that the ceremony trip was shut down because of bad weather.
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Latest Presidential election poll of active-duty service members by MilitaryTimes.com. Poll was conducted in late July and early August before the conventions.
Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden
"The latest Military Times poll shows a continued decline in active-duty service members’ views of President Donald Trump and a slight but significant preference for former Vice President Joe Biden in the upcoming November election among troops surveyed.
But the Military Times Polls, surveying active-duty troops in partnership with the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University, have seen a steady drop in troops’ opinion of the commander in chief since his election four years ago.
In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.
Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.
Among active-duty service members surveyed in the poll, 41 percent said they would vote for Biden, the Democratic nominee, if the election was held today. Only 37 percent said they plan to vote to re-elect Trump.
Another 13 percent said they plan to vote for a third-party candidate, and nearly 9 percent said they plan on skipping the election altogether. About 40 percent of troops surveyed identified as Republican or Libertarian, 16 percent Democrats, and 44 percent independent or another party."
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/)
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I've complained about liberal, anti-Trump Democrat, The Atlantic magazine here many times. I saw an interview with the editor, Jeff Goldberg, a few months or a year back that confirmed how much he hates Trump. So it's not surprising that right before the election they came up with a phoney story feeding on certain things Trump has said long before he became president. He opposed the Vietnam War and Iraq War. He thought people were foolish who supported it. They were stupid wars. But the damage charge that he supposedly said at D DAy was not confirmed by anyone. He didn't go to the cemetery ceremonies because his helicopter was grounded due to bad weather. Even John Bolton who wrote a nasty book about Trump and who was at the D-Day ceremonies with Trump, confirmed that he said nothing of the sort and that the ceremony trip was shut down because of bad weather.
Good job news, voting starting, Biden losing ground in the polls (loser?)... A perfect time to launch a smear. The story keeps shifting. Bolton destroyed the first narrative. Time to move the goalposts. And they did.
Now did Trump hate McCain? Oh yea as did a good part of Trumps base. This has been well known for years. Asking Kelly why men go to war and die...a perfectly reasonable question. Calling troops losers and suckers? That one is quite problematic for the smear mongers. But say it loud enough without proof and those so inclined will believe it.
It will be something else next week. And the week after. And the week after. Will it move the needle? I don’t think so.
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Good job news, voting starting, Biden losing ground in the polls (loser?)... A perfect time to launch a smear. The story keeps shifting. Bolton destroyed the first narrative. Time to move the goalposts. And they did.
Now did Trump hate McCain? Oh yea as did a good part of Trumps base. This has been well known for years. Asking Kelly why men go to war and die...a perfectly reasonable question. Calling troops losers and suckers? That one is quite problematic for the smear mongers. But say it loud enough without proof and those so inclined will believe it.
It will be something else next week. And the week after. And the week after. Will it move the needle? I don’t think so.
So Bolton is credible now? Ok. Lets go with that. Sound good?
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Current Poll Averages
538 Polling Average - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Recent Polling Average History: March 1 - Biden +4.1% / Closest April 12 - Biden +3.4% / Peak July 2 - Biden +9.6% / Current - Biden +7.4%
Current Average States: Arizona - Biden +4.6% / Florida - Biden +2.8% / Michigan - Biden +6.7% / North Carolina - Biden +1.8%
Ohio - Trump +1.8% / Pennsylvania - Biden +4.5% / Texas - Trump +0.5% / Wisconsin - Biden +7.3%
Real Clear Politics Poll Average - Biden +7.0%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html)
Real Clear Politics Electoral Vote Estimate (Current - Based on Poll Averages by State) - Biden 352 / Trump 186
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html)
270 To Win Electoral Map Based on Polls - Biden - 279 / Trump - 116 / Toss-up - 143 https://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map (https://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map)
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There are some people who think you should wear it all the time you're out. They feel you're selfish if you don't.
My point is everyone draws the line differently. Some people think the economy should be open more even if the risk of infection and sickness and death goes up. They feel that loss of their business or job is more critical than the extra chance of getting Covid. How are they selfish? Don't they have a right to eat and feed and house their families? Wouldn't it be selfish of those who insist they stop working instead and become homeless and hungry? Why do people on the left and socialists always bring up selfishness - of others? They never can see the broader view that self-interest and standards affect everyone's line drawing.
Who says someone is selfish if they don't wear a mask if you are out alone away from people. Are you just making things up here?
As far as feeding ones family...how does wearing a mask in crowded places prohibit one from feeding their family. I don't follow your logic...but that isn't anything new.
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So Bolton is credible now? Ok. Lets go with that. Sound good?
You guys sure like him and he sure hates Trump. Yea, let’s go with that. He can’t be wrong on everything. Heck he told John Roberts if he had heard Trump say the things they say he said that he(Bolton) would have written two chapters on it.
At this point Bolton has nothing left to gain. His book has peaked. His 15 mins are Overand they are not coming back. What does he have to gain or lose now?
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Current Poll Averages
538 Polling Average - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Recent Polling Average History: March 1 - Biden +4.1% / Closest April 12 - Biden +3.4% / Peak July 2 - Biden +9.6% / Current - Biden +7.4%
Current Average States: Arizona - Biden +4.6% / Florida - Biden +2.8% / Michigan - Biden +6.7% / North Carolina - Biden +1.8%
Ohio - Trump +1.8% / Pennsylvania - Biden +4.5% / Texas - Trump +0.5% / Wisconsin - Biden +7.3%
Real Clear Politics Poll Average - Biden +7.0%
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html)
Real Clear Politics Electoral Vote Estimate (Current - Based on Poll Averages by State) - Biden 352 / Trump 186
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html)
270 To Win Electoral Map Based on Polls - Biden - 279 / Trump - 116 / Toss-up - 143 https://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map (https://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map)
Hillary has a 90 Something percent chance of winning on election night...remember that little ditty? Something spooked Joe Hiden out of the basement early...his internal polling must look horrible.
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Who says someone is selfish if they don't wear a mask if you are out alone away from people. Are you just making things up here?
As far as feeding ones family...how does wearing a mask in crowded places prohibit one from feeding their family. I don't follow your logic...but that isn't anything new.
You're playing word games. I specifically said people who want the economy shut down come hell or high water. They're the ones who call people selfish who want to work and feed their families. Re-read my post.
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You're playing word games. I specifically said people who want the economy shut down come hell or high water. They're the ones who call people selfish who want to work and feed their families. Re-read my post.
What's that got to do with not wearing masks and my labeling them as selfish?
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What's that got to do with not wearing masks and my labeling them as selfish?
I was making a broader point.
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The divide between Portland and the rest of the state of Oregon seems very wide. A gun shop in a nearby little town sold 4 1/2 million rounds of ammunition. I always figured Oregon as being folksy and quiet, a place to go shoot pictures not guns.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/05/us/portland-political-chasm-protests-unrest.html
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You guys sure like him and he sure hates Trump. Yea, let’s go with that. He can’t be wrong on everything. Heck he told John Roberts if he had heard Trump say the things they say he said that he(Bolton) would have written two chapters on it.
I don't for a second "like" Bolton. He's a one-note foreign policy hawk that often drifts much (much) further from my own ideas about foreign relations than Trump does. The point is that there's no logic in thinking everything Bolton says about Trump's fitness for office is "fake" or fabricated, except the one thing he says that supports what you believe.
At this point Bolton has nothing left to gain. His book has peaked. His 15 mins are Overand they are not coming back. What does he have to gain or lose now?
Same thing anyone else coming-out of the administration does, I guess. Attention, airtime, ongoing sales of his material of time. Thing is, everyone coming out that's no longer benefitting from the association with Trump says pretty much the exact same thing - that's he's narcissistic, unwilling to be educated, aimless on policy, and verging on incompetent. What do THEY have to gain? That tune's been played so many times by now that there no more profit in that than in being a pro-Trump lackey that makes the rounds on Charlie Kirk's show, or Ben Shapiro's, or Hannity's.
I'd have more respect for you Trumpy guys at this point if you'd just admit that he's an incompetent a-hole, but you care more about making your perceived "enemies" mad than you do about a competent president.
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I don't for a second "like" Bolton. He's a one-note foreign policy hawk that often drifts much (much) further from my own ideas about foreign relations than Trump does. The point is that there's no logic in thinking everything Bolton says about Trump's fitness for office is "fake" or fabricated, except the one thing he says that supports what you believe.
Same thing anyone else coming-out of the administration does, I guess. Attention, airtime, ongoing sales of his material of time. Thing is, everyone coming out that's no longer benefitting from the association with Trump says pretty much the exact same thing - that's he's narcissistic, unwilling to be educated, aimless on policy, and verging on incompetent. What do THEY have to gain? That tune's been played so many times by now that there no more profit in that than in being a pro-Trump lackey that makes the rounds on Charlie Kirk's show, or Ben Shapiro's, or Hannity's.
I'd have more respect for you Trumpy guys at this point if you'd just admit that he's an incompetent a-hole, but you care more about making your perceived "enemies" mad than you do about a competent president.
But Trump's not incompetent. He may be a loudmouth narcissist. But he gets things done. Biden's the one who's incompetent and lacks the wherewithal to be an effective president.
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I don't for a second "like" Bolton. He's a one-note foreign policy hawk that often drifts much (much) further from my own ideas about foreign relations than Trump does. The point is that there's no logic in thinking everything Bolton says about Trump's fitness for office is "fake" or fabricated, except the one thing he says that supports what you believe.
I don't have to "believe it". It was confirmed by many on the record accounts. Logic says that no one is always true or always false. In this instance logic, backed by on the record accounts, seems to make Boltons statement on this matter true. You are better than this James.
Same thing anyone else coming-out of the administration does, I guess. Attention, airtime, ongoing sales of his material of time. Thing is, everyone coming out that's no longer benefitting from the association with Trump says pretty much the exact same thing - that's he's narcissistic, unwilling to be educated, aimless on policy, and verging on incompetent. What do THEY have to gain? That tune's been played so many times by now that there no more profit in that than in being a pro-Trump lackey that makes the rounds on Charlie Kirk's show, or Ben Shapiro's, or Hannity's.
The problem here James is you are forgetting why some of these folks are having a hard time. A lot of it is the cancel culture from the left. When you have the press and others stating they want former Trump administration officials to never work again, it says a lot about the values of the left.
I'd have more respect for you Trumpy guys at this point if you'd just admit that he's an incompetent a-hole, but you care more about making your perceived "enemies" mad than you do about a competent president.
The problem is he is not incompetent. He has had a great run in the last three years even against the constant headwind of liberal America. Thats why his supporters still support him, because we like what he's done. I don't care if he's obnoxious, he gets things I want done, done. He's my a-hole, and I'll be happy to keep him. Biden, not so much. He's your incompetent a-hole.
You get it all wrong here James. This is not about making you mad, its about what we want for our country. Making the lefts heads explode is a side beni...
Let me ask you the question eveyone likes to ask at this time of the election season, but I'm going to preface it to pre covid. Are you better or or worse off now than than you were four years ago? Or switch it around if you wish and tell us what Trump has done to hurt your life? I had to honestly say that my life was better off after the Obama years. What do you say?
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But Trump's not incompetent. He may be a loudmouth narcissist. But he gets things done. ...
He's demonstrated time and time again that he's not qualified for the office he currently holds.
He's divided America like we've never seen in recent times.
He incites hate and violence.
He cozies up to the world's most despicable dictators.
He's alienated most of America's friends and allies.
He's delivered on nearly zero of his campaign promises.
He's tanked America's economy with his consistently ignorant treatment of the COVID crisis.
He can't speak intelligently without a script on any subject.
He lies habitually and continuously about things that are easily disproven.
His businesses exhibit multiple, consistent failures, even casino operations.
He cheats at everything; even at his own leisure time activities.
Let's hear your list, Alan, of "he gets things done".
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He's demonstrated time and time again that he's not qualified for the office he currently holds.
He's divided America like we've never seen in recent times.
He incites hate and violence.
He cozies up to the world's most despicable dictators.
He's alienated most of America's friends and allies.
He's delivered on nearly zero of his campaign promises.
He's tanked America's economy with his consistently ignorant treatment of the COVID crisis.
He can't speak intelligently without a script on any subject.
He lies habitually and continuously about things that are easily disproven.
His businesses exhibit multiple, consistent failures, even casino operations.
He cheats at everything; even at his own leisure time activities.
Let's hear your list, Alan, of "he gets things done".
This list is pre-Covid I believe. But even in that area, he's best qualified to bring the economy back.
http://lc.org/PDFs/Trump.Accomplishments.FINAL.pdf
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This list is pre-Covid I believe. But even in that area, he's best qualified to bring the economy back.
http://lc.org/PDFs/Trump.Accomplishments.FINAL.pdf
From his existing record, it doesn't appear that he is qualified or capable to make good business decisions and deals.
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From his existing record, it doesn't appear that he is qualified or capable to make good business decisions and deals.
He's worth 3 1/2 billion. A lot more than I'm worth.
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He's worth 3 1/2 billion. A lot more than I'm worth.
It's one thing to make a business decisions for himself and another thing for the country. BTW, with how many billions did he start?
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It's one thing to make a business decisions for himself and another thing for the country. BTW, with how many billions did he start?
Well, I'm not happy that he created a trillion in debt even before the virus. He believes in printing. Unfortunately, Biden will be worse. He'll take on every Socialist dream of AOC and the left that will put America in the toilet economically forever.
Trump did some decent legislation that lowered business taxes. That helped the economy and increased the number of jobs. Re-doing NAFTA helped and he's trying to get China to stop stealing our inventions and ripping us off, work that isn't yet complete. Eliminating a lot of over-regulation helped business. Opening up oil and gas exploration and fracking helped.
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This list is pre-Covid I believe. But even in that area, he's best qualified to bring the economy back.
http://lc.org/PDFs/Trump.Accomplishments.FINAL.pdf
Alan, I asked for your opinion, not that of a right wing organization that, among other things, threatened a Florida public library with legal action for allowing readings of Harry Potter books.
For those interested, here's a wikipedia link to the originators of Alan's PDF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel
BTW, regarding Trump's 3 billion net worth: do you have any verification of that figure? Other than Trump's assertions, that is.
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Alan, I asked for your opinion, not that of a right wing organization that, among other things, threatened a Florida public library with legal action for allowing readings of Harry Potter books.
For those interested, here's a wikipedia link to the originators of Alan's PDF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Counsel
BTW, regarding Trump's 3 billion net worth: do you have any verification of that figure? Other than Trump's assertions, that is.
You didn't ask for my opinion but a list. The list is accurate. Forbes estimated his wealth when he became president at 3 1/2 billion. You can google it.
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Hillary has a 90 Something percent chance of winning on election night...remember that little ditty? Something spooked Joe Hiden out of the basement early...his internal polling must look horrible.
True, but she had never:
- contributed to the death of 100,000+ extra covid casualties due to inaction and conflicting messages
- discussed in public the relevance of drinking bleach to kill the disease from inside
- taken action to discredit her chief scientist in charge of fighting the disease
- lied more than 20,000 times while in office including about obvious and undeniable facts such as the ranking of the US in terms of covid death per inhabitant
- called US veterans "suckers"
- trashed talked many 4 stars generals having devoted their life to the defense of the country
- used the White House as a TV show backdrop for her own reelection
- fired several times her closest collaborators and anyone disagreeing with her
- tried to prevent millions of people from voting in a US Presidential elections
- thrown repeatedly oil over the fire to further deepen the racial gap
- refused to condemn violence, including likely murder, perpetuated by her supporters
- collaborated with a foreign power against her main political opponent
- praised China for jailing political opponents
- displayed obvious disdain for any woman in a position of power
- motivated her own family to write books against her to warn the world about how dangerous she is
- closed immigration in US against the will of most high tech corporations who desperately need foreign talents
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I could literally go on and on for pages.
Any of the items on this list would cause the resignation of any leader in the world. I am not talking about world leaders. I am talking about medium sized towns leaders.
Most of these are just Trump's accomplishments over the past few months. He keeps out doing himself to such an extend that incredible stuff he did last year, themselves cause of resignation, have already been forgotten.
And that's who YOU want in office...
Cheers,
Bernard
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The swamp is drained, long live the swamp, https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/515334-juan-williams-swamp-creature-at-the-white-house (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/515334-juan-williams-swamp-creature-at-the-white-house).
It's good to read about how Trump has cleaned up "politics as usual". ;)
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I could literally go on and on for pages.
just stick w/ Nikon...
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This post is sort of a "bump." Manoli's very first post in this thread links to a daily model by The Economist of the likely outcome of the American presidential election, and from my point of view, is the most valuable link in the thread. I also enjoy the analytical articles that accompany the model.
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just stick w/ Nikon...
Are you planning to vote for Trump?
Hilary lost on top of a well proven track record of competence but on a suspicion of being too much of a politician (politicians lie you know).
The Trump voters who intend to vote for him again (it appears nobody who Voted against him is changing their mind) will do it on top of proven incompetence (to a degree unheard of) but also on top of a very strong suspicion that the main way he is not a politician is that he doesn’t believe in democracy.
I understand that the presentation of a factual list of outrageous achievements must hurt but each of these is beyond doubt. He did every single one of these things. Incredible as it is. Any single one, acknowledged objectively for what it is, is material for resignation and should generate a huge concern for any candidate applying for a high office position, yet alone re-election.
The fact that someone having done any single of these things is a candidate for US President re-election is just insane. The facf that some intelligent people support this is just incredible.
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to:
- review the facts using several information sources
- compare them with your values
- look in depth at Biden and consider objectively the odds that he may be worse than Trump (hint: anybody would be better than Trump, including yourself most probably)
- make an educated decision you can be proud of in front of your grand children without having to lie about any of it
Your call, assuming you are planning to vote for Trump. Sorry if you don’t plan to.
Cheers,
Bernard
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2020 vs 2016 - Real Clear Politics National Polling Averages as of September 7, 2016/2020
Poll Average as of September 7, 2016 - Clinton vs Trump
Clinton +2.1% (Clinton won the popular vote on election day by 2.9 Million votes and by the same percentage of +2.1%.)
Final Election Day Result: Clinton 48.2% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 46.1% / 306 Electoral Votes
* Note: After electors voted, faithless electors, who voted for someone other than their pledged candidate, caused Clinton's final electoral count to be reduced to 227 and Trump's to 304.
Poll Average as of September 7, 2020 - Biden vs Trump
Biden +7.1% (Biden's current polling lead is the same as the popular vote margin with which Obama handily beat McCain in 2008.)
Biden currently has a 5% larger lead than Clinton had for the same time period in 2016, which is why you can expect Trump and his campaign to say or do practically anything between now and the election as the polling gap is clearly in the danger zone.
The graphs shown in the link below are fairly self-explanatory except for the top graph. The top graph shows a timeline with the blue portions showing the percentage increase that Biden has in polling compared to Clinton for the same point-in-time in 2016 and the red portion showing the percentage advantage of Trump over Biden compared to Clinton for the same point-in-time in 2016.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016 (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/)
The Democratic candidate has won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote in two of the last five presidential elections. Due to the fact that electoral votes are not proportionally distributed between voters and states, voters in low population states have a disproportionate weight in electoral outcome. As an example, California gets 55 electoral votes for 37.3 million people (2010 Census), or one electoral vote for approximately each 678,000 people. Wyoming receives 3 electoral votes for its 568,000 population, or about one per 189,000. In other words, the popular vote in Wyoming has 3.5 times the electoral weight of the same number of votes in California.
As the Republican candidate will sweep up a large number of electoral votes in lower population States — specifically those with relatively low population densities — with an electoral vote disproportionate to the size of their popular vote; the Democratic candidate will have to over perform and will likely require a popular vote win greater than the +0.5 that Al Gore received in 2000 or even the +2.1% that Clinton received in 2016 to insure enough electoral votes.
Obviously, with the unique Presidential election system in the US, the national popular vote doesn't determine the final outcome. However, a comparison of national popular vote margins to electoral vote victories, in past elections, will show that significant popular vote margins are generally reflective of a broader national sentiment and conducive to moving close swing-states and their electoral votes into the popular vote winner's column.
As examples of what a very healthy win looks like for a Democratic Presidential candidate, the Obama victories provide insight...
2008 - Obama 52.8% / 365 Electoral Votes — McCain 45.7% / 175 Electoral Votes. Obama popular vote margin +7.1% / +9.5 Million votes
2012 - Obama 51.1% / 332 Electoral Votes — Romney 47.2% / 206 Electoral Votes. Obama popular vote margin +3.9% / +5 Million votes
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You conveniently left out the most important statistic.
Donald Trump 58% Hillary Clinton 42% - electoral votes for president 2016. A president must have a majority percent to become president. A substantial win percentage for Trump. If you look at popular votes, neither Trump nor Hillary had majority percentages. Even in a parliamentary system you would need majority of votes to win. So we would have minority presidents of it wasn't for the electoral system to satisfy the federal system of United States. Doing away with the electoral system, means we'd almost always have a minority president since the two party system would turn into a free for all multiparty parliamentary system. It would destroy both democracy and Republican parties power. Something threw members on both sides don't want.
By the way, Bill Clinton's popular vote in 1992 was 43% compared to Trump's of 46% in 2016. So Clinton became president with even more people opposed to him.
Lies, Damn lies and statistics.
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You conveniently left out the most important statistic.
Donald Trump 58% Hillary Clinton 42% - electoral votes for president 2016. ...
Lies, Damn lies and statistics.
if you respond, read first.
Lies, Damn lies and statistics
Final Election Day Result: Clinton 48.2% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 46.1% / 306 Electoral Votes
* Note: After electors voted, faithless electors, who voted for someone other than their pledged candidate, caused Clinton's final electoral count to be reduced to 227 and Trump's to 304.
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Those percentages are the popular vote percentages conveniently put next to the electoral votes. That's deceptive. You never listed the electoral percentage totals.
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2020 vs 2016 - Real Clear Politics National Polling Averages as of September 7, 2016/2020
Poll Average as of September 7, 2016 - Clinton vs Trump
Clinton +2.1% (Clinton won the popular vote on election day by 2.9 Million votes and by the same percentage of +2.1%.)
Final Election Day Result: Clinton 48.2% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 46.1% / 306 Electoral Votes
* Note: After electors voted, faithless electors, who voted for someone other than their pledged candidate, caused Clinton's final electoral count to be reduced to 227 and Trump's to 304.
Poll Average as of September 7, 2020 - Biden vs Trump
Biden +7.1% (Biden's current polling lead is the same as the popular vote margin with which Obama handily beat McCain in 2008.)
Biden currently has a 5% larger lead than Clinton had for the same time period in 2016, which is why you can expect Trump and his campaign to say or do practically anything between now and the election as the polling gap is clearly in the danger zone.
The graphs shown in the link below are fairly self-explanatory except for the top graph. The top graph shows a timeline with the blue portions showing the percentage increase that Biden has in polling compared to Clinton for the same point-in-time in 2016 and the red portion showing the percentage advantage of Trump over Biden compared to Clinton for the same point-in-time in 2016.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016 (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/)
The Democratic candidate has won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote in two of the last five presidential elections. Due to the fact that electoral votes are not proportionally distributed between voters and states, voters in low population states have a disproportionate weight in electoral outcome. As an example, California gets 55 electoral votes for 37.3 million people (2010 Census), or one electoral vote for approximately each 678,000 people. Wyoming receives 3 electoral votes for its 568,000 population, or about one per 189,000. In other words, the popular vote in Wyoming has 3.5 times the electoral weight of the same number of votes in California.
As the Republican candidate will sweep up a large number of electoral votes in lower population States — specifically those with relatively low population densities — with an electoral vote disproportionate to the size of their popular vote; the Democratic candidate will have to over perform and will likely require a popular vote win greater than the +0.5 that Al Gore received in 2000 or even the +2.1% that Clinton received in 2016 to insure enough electoral votes.
Obviously, with the unique Presidential election system in the US, the national popular vote doesn't determine the final outcome. However, a comparison of national popular vote margins to electoral vote victories, in past elections, will show that significant popular vote margins are generally reflective of a broader national sentiment and conducive to moving close swing-states and their electoral votes into the popular vote winner's column.
As examples of what a very healthy win looks like for a Democratic Presidential candidate, the Obama victories provide insight...
2008 - Obama 52.8% / 365 Electoral Votes — McCain 45.7% / 175 Electoral Votes. Obama popular vote margin +7.1% / +9.5 Million votes
2012 - Obama 51.1% / 332 Electoral Votes — Romney 47.2% / 206 Electoral Votes. Obama popular vote margin +3.9% / +5 Million votes
Mr. Talk,
Why all the time and effort to try and justify national polls which are meaningless in the election of the President? Why not deal with the ones more pertinent to the problem at hand, State level polling in the swing states needed to win the Electorial Collage? How are Joe Hidens percentages holding up there? And BTW, perhaps Likely Voter polls with decent crosstabs on party makeup would also be helpful. Just sayin...
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Those percentages are the popular vote percentages conveniently put next to the electoral votes. That's deceptive. You never listed the electoral percentage totals.
This is the accurate way it should have been shown:
Final Election Day Result: Clinton 43% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 57% / 306 Electoral Votes
Final Electoral vote to Congress: Clinton 42% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 57% / 306 Electoral Votes - Other 1% / 4 electoral votes
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Final Election Day Result: Clinton 43% / 232 Electoral Votes — Trump 57% / 306 Electoral Votes
For those of you who are not familiar with the U.S. "Electoral College" system, note that we don't describe presidential election results this way. The popular vote for each candidate is expressed in raw numbers and as a percentage of the total votes cast, and the electoral vote is expressed exclusively as raw numbers.
(Electoral votes are apportioned among the states based on the size of their respective congressional delegations and within each state according to state law. The details may be found here (https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation), for those interested.)
The notation quoted above is not only unorthodox, it has no semantic value.
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For those of you who are not familiar with the U.S. "Electoral College" system, note that we don't describe presidential election results this way. The popular vote for each candidate is expressed in raw numbers and as a percentage of the total votes cast, and the electoral vote is expressed exclusively as raw numbers.
(Electoral votes are apportioned among the states based on the size of their respective congressional delegations and within each state according to state law. The details may be found here (https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation), for those interested.)
The notation quoted above is not only unorthodox, it has no semantic value.
It's only unorthodox if you want to demean the electoral system.
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Mr. Talk,
Why all the time and effort to try and justify national polls which are meaningless in the election of the President? Why not deal with the ones more pertinent to the problem at hand, State level polling in the swing states needed to win the Electorial Collage? How are Joe Hidens percentages holding up there? And BTW, perhaps Likely Voter polls with decent crosstabs on party makeup would also be helpful. Just sayin...
Craig,
The one thing your absolute confidence in the victory of Trump reminds me of is the absolute confidence of Hilary’s supporters in 2016.
Call it arrogance if you will.
I am sure you would agree that simplicity is best. Trump has nothing to hide from us. He trumps the implicit Western belief that what’s hidden is more true than what we see. That’s the ultimate truth of the Trumpism, there is nothing behind the lies. The list I shared above is everything there is to it.
There is nothing more to expect from another term.
The real question, for which I am yet to get a clear answer from you or anybody else supporting Trump, is what you are afraid of in case Biden gets elected. Would you mind share your views on this?
Regards,
Bernard
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As I pointed out earlier, one Presidential electoral vote in California proportionally represents approximately 678,000 people while in Wyoming one electoral vote represents about 189,000 people. The lower the population of your State, the greater the proportional electoral impact of its popular vote. And as I alluded to before, this unequal and disproportionate allocation of electoral votes has contributed to Republican Presidential candidates being able to win without the need for a plurality or majority of the national vote. No one disputes the fact that Democratic or Republican Presidential candidates win by obtaining the majority of electoral votes from individual State elections. However, it would require burying one's head pretty deep in the sand to pretend that there is no correlation between shifts in national political sentiment, the national popular vote, and winning enough electoral votes in enough states to win an election.
Clearly, Republican candidates can win enough electoral votes when they lack the national support to win even a plurality of votes of the nation as a whole, as long as the difference is within a few percentage points. It's also clear, that when the national political climate is favorable enough for a Democrat to win a sizable enough percentage of the national popular vote, that the electoral votes needed to win will follow that national trend.
It doesn't require a degree in political science or statistical analysis to understand why a Democratic Presidential candidate succeeds if they can over perform in the national popular vote, just some common sense. In every state, there are voters that will only vote for the candidates of one party, and then there are independent voters that might vote for a candidate of either party. Independent voters, unlike some partisans, do not exist in a bubble that is impervious to exterior reality, or the national political climate for that matter. It is reasonable to expect, and corroborated by recent history, that the same momentum that moves vote margins nationally also effects independent voters locally and above a certain threshold will shift enough votes in enough states to accumulate the electoral votes required to win. In the current political alignment of States and their electoral votes, the threshold and the momentum required to jump that hurdle is higher for Democrats than Republicans.
In the case of Clinton in 2016, the momentum that produced a margin of +2.1% in the national vote didn't produce quite enough shift to the extremely close margins in the three closest States (0.24% Michigan, 0.72% Pennsylvania, 0.77% Wisconsin) which provided the needed electoral votes to put Trump over the threshold. In contrast, the momentum that produced a margin of +3.9% in the national vote for Obama in 2012 also moved enough independent voters in enough States to give him 332 electoral votes.
No one knows what the 2020 vote margins will be nationally or in the various states nor the electoral votes they will produce for each candidate. I'm sure that there will be widespread and vigorous discussion comparing both national and state popular vote margins to electoral vote results, as usual.
For those unable to see any linkage between national popular vote margins and where, how much, and in what direction local votes shift in determining overall State election results, it may be time to consider political cataract surgery.
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My alarm clock this morning was the sounds of leftist heads exploding!
Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-by-norwegian-official)
“I’m not a big Trump supporter,” [Tybring-Gjedde] said. “The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts – not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump. For example, Barack Obama did nothing.”
Peace out. ;)
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My alarm clock this morning was the sounds of leftist heads exploding!
Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-by-norwegian-official)
“I’m not a big Trump supporter,” [Tybring-Gjedde] said. “The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts – not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump. For example, Barack Obama did nothing.”
Peace out. ;)
We really need to look into the person who issued this proposal... ;)
Right winged populist.. yeah.. thah seems to be a match...
Cheers,
Bernard
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As I pointed out earlier, one Presidential electoral vote in California proportionally represents approximately 678,000 people while in Wyoming one electoral vote represents about 189,000 people. The lower the population of your State, the greater the proportional electoral impact of its popular vote. And as I alluded to before, this unequal and disproportionate allocation of electoral votes has contributed to Republican Presidential candidates being able to win without the need for a plurality or majority of the national vote. No one disputes the fact that Democratic or Republican Presidential candidates win by obtaining the majority of electoral votes from individual State elections. However, it would require burying one's head pretty deep in the sand to pretend that there is no correlation between shifts in national political sentiment, the national popular vote, and winning enough electoral votes in enough states to win an election.
Clearly, Republican candidates can win enough electoral votes when they lack the national support to win even a plurality of votes of the nation as a whole, as long as the difference is within a few percentage points. It's also clear, that when the national political climate is favorable enough for a Democrat to win a sizable enough percentage of the national popular vote, that the electoral votes needed to win will follow that national trend.
It doesn't require a degree in political science or statistical analysis to understand why a Democratic Presidential candidate succeeds if they can over perform in the national popular vote, just some common sense. In every state, there are voters that will only vote for the candidates of one party, and then there are independent voters that might vote for a candidate of either party. Independent voters, unlike some partisans, do not exist in a bubble that is impervious to exterior reality, or the national political climate for that matter. It is reasonable to expect, and corroborated by recent history, that the same momentum that moves vote margins nationally also effects independent voters locally and above a certain threshold will shift enough votes in enough states to accumulate the electoral votes required to win. In the current political alignment of States and their electoral votes, the threshold and the momentum required to jump that hurdle is higher for Democrats than Republicans.
In the case of Clinton in 2016, the momentum that produced a margin of +2.1% in the national vote didn't produce quite enough shift to the extremely close margins in the three closest States (0.24% Michigan, 0.72% Pennsylvania, 0.77% Wisconsin) which provided the needed electoral votes to put Trump over the threshold. In contrast, the momentum that produced a margin of +3.9% in the national vote for Obama in 2012 also moved enough independent voters in enough States to give him 332 electoral votes.
No one knows what the 2020 vote margins will be nationally or in the various states nor the electoral votes they will produce for each candidate. I'm sure that there will be widespread and vigorous discussion comparing both national and state popular vote margins to electoral vote results, as usual.
For those unable to see any linkage between national popular vote margins and where, how much, and in what direction local votes shift in determining overall State election results, it may be time to consider political cataract surgery.
Mr Talk,
Despite your windy rant, the popular vote is meaningless in US Presidential elections. Period. Full stop. Spending time trying to justify silly popular vote polls is a fools errand. Take that as you will.
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We really need to look into the person who issued this proposal... ;)
Right winged populist.. yeah.. thah seems to be a match...
Cheers,
Bernard
Nice to see your M. O. has not changed, attack the person instead of the argument.
I believe there is a Latin phrase for that.
As i’ve pointed out before, if you go by the standards used in 2009, it’s impossible to argue against this without serious TDS.
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My alarm clock this morning was the sounds of leftist heads exploding!
Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize-by-norwegian-official)
“I’m not a big Trump supporter,” [Tybring-Gjedde] said. “The committee should look at the facts and judge him on the facts – not on the way he behaves sometimes. The people who have received the Peace Prize in recent years have done much less than Donald Trump. For example, Barack Obama did nothing.”
Peace out. ;)
Well, that is a howler alright. OTOH, it's only a nomination, not a done deal yet.
If the Peace one doesn't work out, are there any others he'd quality for, Medicine, Physics, or something? :)
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As for the electoral college, a column in the Washington Post (I think -- I also read the Times and the WSJ) points out that Texas is slowly moving toward becoming a Democratic-leaning state. It will be close this time, close in 2024, but the change seems to be almost inevitable...it's been moving that way for years, as older people die off and people who are younger swing the vote totals. In any case, the column points out that if Texas becomes Democratic, the Republicans may never again win a presidential race.
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Well, that is a howler alright. OTOH, it's only a nomination, not a done deal yet.
If the Peace one doesn't work out, are there any others he'd quality for, Medicine, Physics, or something? :)
Curing the common cold? Hey, it is a corona virus, and research is showing anti-bodies for common colds are working against C-19. So I'd expect it to work in reverse too.
But anyway, yes it is only a nomination, but at this point, Trump has two major peace deals under his belt, in only the last couple of weeks. Israel & the UAE and Serbia & Kosovo are both pretty bid deals.
As usual though, the reporters made asses of themselves. They insisted on asking the gay white official who announced the deal instead about Trump's dealings with gays then about Serbia & Kosovo. Thankfully, Ric Grenell slapped the reporter down. (https://www.washingtonblade.com/2020/09/04/ric-grenell-snaps-at-reporter-for-asking-about-decriminalizing-homosexuality/)
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Nice to see your M. O. has not changed, attack the person instead of the argument.
I believe there is a Latin phrase for that.
As i’ve pointed out before, if you go by the standards used in 2009, it’s impossible to argue against this without serious TDS.
Again, you are showing your inability to think outside a box made up of Republicans and Democrats.
I don't think that the 2009 standards are right and I have never written anywhere that I thought the Nobel Prize of Obama was deserved. I think it wasn't. Or, to be more accurate, I think it was too early. Overall it's probably deserved and Obama was a reasonable candidate in the mind of many people inside and outside the US.
But proposing Trump for Peace Nobel prize is so insane that you cannot help but wonder who proposed it. Because it is coming from someone right? This is not a proposal coming out of nature due to the naturally peaceful nature of Trump. He is the exact opposite of someone promoting peace. He is all about hatred and division.
By the way, the fact that an open democratic system is used to propose Peace Nobel prize candidates is a beautiful analogy for the weakness of democracy when cheaters like Trump come into play.
If you think of it for a few seconds, you realize the incredible irony here. Anyone can figure out that Trump isn't a serious candidate for Peace Nobel prize and he is never going to be selected by the good people of the Nobel selection team. Similarly, he isn't a credible candidate for Nobel Prize just like he isn't a serious candidate for re-election.
The only thing this proposal does is to expose the fraudulous nature of his bid for re-election (note that I haven't written illegal).
The analogy goes farther... look at who proposed him for re-election as President... HIM-SELF...
Cheers,
Bernard
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As for the electoral college, a column in the Washington Post (I think -- I also read the Times and the WSJ) points out that Texas is slowly moving toward becoming a Democratic-leaning state. It will be close this time, close in 2024, but the change seems to be almost inevitable...it's been moving that way for years, as older people die off and people who are younger swing the vote totals. In any case, the column points out that if Texas becomes Democratic, the Republicans may never again win a presidential race.
Considering what they are doing with Trump, the Republicans, as they have chosen to become what they have become, don't stand a chance to win a fair election that isn't rigged.
Trump knows it and that's why he is planning to trick the current election or not to admit defeat if he looses.
The only tactics that he hopes may work is to tell the world that the opposition is the Devil made man. Joe Biden, whose past policies can only be described as right winged by WW standards, would have become all of a sudden a crazy socialist. The insane part here is that some Trump supporters, although they know he lies all the time (and some here have been telling us time and again that what he is saying should not be given too much attention), choose to believe him on this point. Talk about self deception.
That did work in France when Macron managed to position the extreme right leader Marie Le Pen in second position of the first round of the French Presidential election after comploting to eliminate his only true rival. But Le Pen had always been an extreme right winged person. Although she was trying to position her self more centrally, she was suffering from her past mistakes.
But Biden doesn't have such a history. He has always been very reasonably in the middle of the road and anyone looking at things objectively will know he is going to be the President of all Americans. Much more so than Trump who is only the President of the 25% of Americans who voted for him in 2016. I should say "claims to be" the president of the 25% who voted for him, because his actual policy is clearly favouring the rich and not the middle class white man.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Curing the common cold? Hey, it is a corona virus, and research is showing anti-bodies for common colds are working against C-19. So I'd expect it to work in reverse too.
Thanks for all the GREAT data and insight. You're an amazing resourse. Keep up all the great work.
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Here is a short but good presentation by the US president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
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Again, you are showing your inability to think outside a box made up of Republicans and Democrats.
I don't think that the 2009 standards are right and I have never written anywhere that I thought the Nobel Prize of Obama was deserved. I think it wasn't. Or, to be more accurate, I think it was too early. Overall it's probably deserved and Obama was a reasonable candidate in the mind of many people inside and outside the US.
But proposing Trump for Peace Nobel prize is so insane that you cannot help but wonder who proposed it. Because it is coming from someone right? This is not a proposal coming out of nature due to the naturally peaceful nature of Trump. He is the exact opposite of someone promoting peace. He is all about hatred and division.
By the way, the fact that an open democratic system is used to propose Peace Nobel prize candidates is a beautiful analogy for the weakness of democracy when cheaters like Trump come into play.
If you think of it for a few seconds, you realize the incredible irony here. Anyone can figure out that Trump isn't a serious candidate for Peace Nobel prize and he is never going to be selected by the good people of the Nobel selection team. Similarly, he isn't a credible candidate for Nobel Prize just like he isn't a serious candidate for re-election.
The only thing this proposal does is to expose the fraudulous nature of his bid for re-election (note that I haven't written illegal).
The analogy goes farther... look at who proposed him for re-election as President... HIM-SELF...
Cheers,
Bernard
No Bernard, it is you that can not get out of the right vs. left mind set. You are just projecting that onto me.
You see, you brought up what side the person who made the nomination is on, and since it is so important to you, you just naturally projected those feelings onto me. It is not important to me.
I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel. That is a big deal for peace in the region. Not to mention Trump fundamentally changed the way we view the Middle East from focusing on Palestinians, which was always flawed, to focusing on commonalities between countries, such as combatting Iran. It has even been suggested that the BDS movement is now dead due to this deal.
And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace. Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel.
But once again, you show your severe TDS in your response and how it has filled you with so much hate you dont even entertain writing about the facts. You just write about your own version hate against him.
PS, after thinking about your post, what I find most disturbing is how you find democracy flawed, thus implying you support some form of totalitarianism so long as it confirms to your preferences. That's a dangerous thought and to act on it in governing invariably leads to oppression.
And what is wrong with someone saying they should be re-elected? Every first term president, including Obama, makes the same claim.
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Thanks for all the GREAT data and insight. You're an amazing resourse. Keep up all the great work.
Aww Hugh, thank you so much! To be honest though, it's not too difficult to post anything above your intellect.
FYI, I know liberals lost there sense of humor on Nov. 8, 2016, but at least, maybe, perhaps, in all seriousness, think, "maybe he was joking with this comment."
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Aww Hugh, thank you so much! To be honest though, it's not too difficult to post anything above your intellect.
You are a kind person. Thank you.
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If four years of the nonstop Trump daily drama and 24/7 reality TV presidency has you felling a bit worn thin, you're not alone...
https://thenib.com/more-at-eleven/ (https://thenib.com/more-at-eleven/)
And on a more expository note, the former spokesman for the Republican National Committee, Tim Miller has a new article today titled...
Bob Woodward and the Nihilism of “LOL Nothing Matters” Republicans
Real people are dying. Real people are hurting. And all of this matters.
https://thebulwark.com/bob-woodward-and-the-nihilism-of-lol-nothing-matters-republicans/ (https://thebulwark.com/bob-woodward-and-the-nihilism-of-lol-nothing-matters-republicans/)
And there were those that saw it coming even before Trump took office...
https://www.lawfareblog.com/lol-nothing-matters-presidency (https://www.lawfareblog.com/bullshit-and-oath-office-lol-nothing-matters-presidency)
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I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625). That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".
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I think this post demonstrates the difficulty of trying to run a satire site these days, https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/09/trump-slams-bob-woodward-for-waiting-months-to-expose-his-lies-about-coronavirus/ (https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/09/trump-slams-bob-woodward-for-waiting-months-to-expose-his-lies-about-coronavirus/).
For those of you who are not familiar with The Beaverton, think of it as Canada's Onion.
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I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625). That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".
Uh..this was not started by the Trump....look again.
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I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625). That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".
You guys have a very limited memory. Trump was upfront and open about exactly what Woodward is trying to sell as news. Back months ago he told the same thing to asshat Jim Acosta in a live press conference. He was not trying to panic the country, etc. Lets also remember he had his expert scientists like Fauci out there every day telling Americans exactly what the virus was doing and what was known about it at that point in time. Its not like the Trump admisistratiuon was hiding the data
Nothing like recycling old news, to try and make a buck and influence an election.
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Who knows what other concerns may be on Trump's mind in downplaying the pandemic and the desire to reopen quickly?
It has been a tough year for President Trump. On top of impeachment and the pandemic, his net worth has dropped an estimated $600 million since last September, to $2.5 billion. That puts him at No. 339 on The Forbes 400, down 64 spots from a year ago.
Blame the coronavirus, which has battered not only the president’s poll numbers but also the very industries in which he holds his biggest assets. Values for office buildings have plummeted. Same with hotels, particularly ones in big cities. Trump has significant debt against his properties in D.C. and Chicago, both of which appear to be underwater these days. Doral, his golf resort in Miami, is worth an estimated $28 million, after accounting for its mortgages, down 80% in a year.
https://www.forbes.com/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year-to-25-billion/#4f39fb752363)
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Fox telling it like it is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc9K5W6fgw
Cheers,
Bernard
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No Bernard, it is you that can not get out of the right vs. left mind set. You are just projecting that onto me.
You see, you brought up what side the person who made the nomination is on, and since it is so important to you, you just naturally projected those feelings onto me. It is not important to me.
I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel. That is a big deal for peace in the region. Not to mention Trump fundamentally changed the way we view the Middle East from focusing on Palestinians, which was always flawed, to focusing on commonalities between countries, such as combatting Iran. It has even been suggested that the BDS movement is now dead due to this deal.
Right... And you don't think that all the efforts done by Trump to undo what Obama did to establish fair relationships with Iran is far more damaging than anything he may have done?
I personally do.
What would have impressed me would have been an improvement of the relationship between the US/Israel and Iran. We got the exact opposite. We got back 8 years in time.
What would have impressed me is coherence in fighting the arab terrorist groups in the region (those same groups that were allowed to florish thanks to the second Irak war), instead we got the exact opposite.
And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace. Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel.
But once again, you show your severe TDS in your response and how it has filled you with so much hate you dont even entertain writing about the facts. You just write about your own version hate against him.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are both long standing allies of the US in the region using the exact same military equipment and have Iran as common enemy. What's so spectacular about what you are talking about?
PS, after thinking about your post, what I find most disturbing is how you find democracy flawed, thus implying you support some form of totalitarianism so long as it confirms to your preferences. That's a dangerous thought and to act on it in governing invariably leads to oppression.
Fascinating stuff. How exactly do I find democracy flawed?
You are supporting a President who publicly refused to confirm he would follow the results of the next elections, is doing everything he can to prevent people from voting, who has stared to speak about 12 years in office, who has done everything he could to prevent the press from doing their job, has kept praising authoritarian leaders and their actions against democracy,...
How is it not you who is endangering democracy by providing unconditional support to a President that doesn't believe in democracy the least bit?
Cheers,
Bernard
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This altercation between a Secret Service officer and a member of the media from a previous election cycle has a photography component, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304).
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This altercation between a Secret Service officer and a member of the media from a previous election cycle has a photography component, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304).
The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security to access records to confirm an alleged altercation between a Secret Service agent and then-Vice President Joe Biden.
The records in question relate to an alleged physical altercation during a 2009 photo-op in which the agent alleges Biden cupped one of his girlfriend's breasts.
In July, the Secret Service told Judicial Watch that the file in question had been destroyed and that "no additional information is available."
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/judicial-watch-sues-dhs-gain-access-file-altercation-between-biden-and
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Joe appears to pinch a little girls nipple.....
[Moderator: link removed. If you can't maintain some form of civilised discussion, you will be banned.]
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You are just projecting that onto me.
Don't play psychologist, Joe, it is way beyond your competence.
I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel. That is a big deal for peace in the region.
And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace. Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel.
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Yes, these are good things and we can hope that they pan out. But a few successes do not outweigh the vast number of horrors that Trump has inflicted on the country and the world.
As for the Peace Prize nomination, it brings to mind a cartoon I saw after Trump gave the freedom medal to that bloviating fathead Limbaugh. It showed MLK, Mother Teresa, and other freedom medal winners filing past a trash can and pitching their medals in.
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Don't play psychologist, Joe, it is way beyond your competence.
I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel. That is a big deal for peace in the region.
And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace. Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel.
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Yes, these are good things and we can hope that they pan out. But a few successes do not outweigh the vast number of horrors that Trump has inflicted on the country and the world.
As for the Peace Prize nomination, it brings to mind a cartoon I saw after Trump gave the freedom medal to that bloviating fathead Limbaugh. It showed MLK, Mother Teresa, and other freedom medal winners filing past a trash can and pitching their medals in.
I would say for you, even since you insisted on countering the APA stance on arm chair diagnosis.
And what horrors do you talk about? I dont see one, let alone vast. I see many from the Dems and a couple from China.
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And now we find out that Cheeto's Peace Prize nomination was forged. And that another forged nomination was submitted last year by, it seems, the same forger. I would bet you 50 cents that his sticky little fingers are behind this in some way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize-trump-fake-nomination.html
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Right... And you don't think that all the efforts done by Trump to undo what Obama did to establish fair relationships with Iran is far more damaging than anything he may have done?
I personally do.
What would have impressed me would have been an improvement of the relationship between the US/Israel and Iran. We got the exact opposite. We got back 8 years in time.
What would have impressed me is coherence in fighting the arab terrorist groups in the region (those same groups that were allowed to florish thanks to the second Irak war), instead we got the exact opposite.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are both long standing allies of the US in the region using the exact same military equipment and have Iran as common enemy. What's so spectacular about what you are talking about?
Fascinating stuff. How exactly do I find democracy flawed?
You are supporting a President who publicly refused to confirm he would follow the results of the next elections, is doing everything he can to prevent people from voting, who has stared to speak about 12 years in office, who has done everything he could to prevent the press from doing their job, has kept praising authoritarian leaders and their actions against democracy,...
How is it not you who is endangering democracy by providing unconditional support to a President that doesn't believe in democracy the least bit?
Cheers,
Bernard
Iran deserves no quarter from us, period. What Obama did was indirectly finance Iran's terrorism by lifting sanctions and sending pallets of cash, the majority of which went to Hezbollah and Hamas, both terrorists organizations. The Iran deal was a complete disgrace and folly, and accomplished nothing of merit.
Furthermore, the idea that Iran would have looked at our appeasement as a sign of grace and become friendly is the same mistake all liberal make with adversaries, who look at it instead as a sign of weakness. Hitler said of Chamberlain after the "Peace of Our Times," that if he even met him again, he would jump on his shoulder and punch his face since this shows he has no courage. It same deal with Iran, which was proved by their uptick in terrorism before Obama even left office.
Fact is, Obama inherited a Middle East that was calm and left it on fire. His whole foreign policy was a complete disaster, all of it. Aside from (1) funding terrorism by supporting Iran, he also (2) admonished our #1 ally, Israel, as much as he could, (3) let ISIS form just to win re-election, (4) drew a line in the sand with Syria and then did nothing when Assad stepped over it, (5) on the flip side started an unapproved war in Libya for no reason, (6) killed 1000s of innocent civilians with his indiscriminate drone attacks, (7) did nothing to prevent Russia from taking over Crimea, and (8) ignored the militarization of the South China Sea, to name a few.
But dont let the facts get in the way of a good story I guess.
Meanwhile, Trump announce peace deal between Bahrain and Israel. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bahrain-israel-mideast-deal-peace)
Two Arab nations in 26 years are now signing peace with Israel. For all the talk about how ignorant Trump is and what a fool Kushner is, they sure got more done then Obama ever did in the Middle East.
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And now we find out that Cheeto's Peace Prize nomination was forged. And that another forged nomination was submitted last year by, it seems, the same forger. I would bet you 50 cents that his sticky little fingers are behind this in some way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize-trump-fake-nomination.html
Pushing a false agenda again Peter?
No where in that piece did it say the official nomination that was mentioned in the news this week was a forgery, only that forgeries were found in addition to the legitimate one.
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I would say for you, even since you insisted on countering the APA stance on arm chair diagnosis.
And what horrors do you talk about? I dont see one, let alone vast. I see many from the Dems and a couple from China.
I provided a short list one or two page ago containing 20 points for a start.
But no need to look at it, on middle east itself it’s obvious that Trump has been doing far worse than good. Proposing him for peace Nobel Price for middle east is akin to proposing him for a medecin Nobel prize for the identification of bleach drinking as a cure to the covid19. Probably even more insane in fact.
You don’t seem to realize how desperate you look when, as a Trump supporter, you have to quote such non sense (only reported by Fox news as positive for Trump) to find something positive in favour of him.
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to converse about his clear admission that he did downplay the epidemic although he knew how lethal the virus is?
Because it’s now 100% clear per his own admission that he did. We know also that this has caused the avoidable death of tens of thousands of Americans, many of which his supporters, as well as the worst economic impacts ever to hit the country? All direct consequences of the way he choose not to act on covid.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I provided a short list one or two page ago containing 20 points for a start.
But no need to look at it, on middle east itself it’s obvious that Trump has been doing far worse than good. Proposing him for peace Nobel Price for middle east is akin to proposing him for a medecin Nobel prize for the identification of bleach drinking as a cure to the covid19. Probably even more insane in fact.
You don’t seem to realize how desperate you look when, as a Trump supporter, you have to quote such non sense (only reported by Fox news as positive for Trump) to find something positive in favour of him.
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to converse about his clear admission that he did downplay the epidemic although he knew how lethal the virus is?
Because it’s now 100% clear per his own admission that he did. We know also that this has caused the avoidable death of tens of thousands of Americans, many of which his supporters, as well as the worst economic impacts ever to hit the country? All direct consequences of the way he choose not to act on covid.
Cheers,
Bernard
First of all, he said the same thing to Jim Accosta in March during a live press conference. I believe we even talked about it here with the same kind of responses. As Craig points out, you guys really have short memories, or are clutching at straws.
Second do you also blame Pelosi and Harris for downplaying it?
The reason Woodward did not go to the press with this in February is because he did not know if Trump was giving him credible information or talking out of his ass, a not uncommon occurrence. It was not until May that he learned this came from a security briefing that every high ranking member of congress also received, including Pelosi and Harris. Biden is the only one who can claim plausible deniability.
Then, shortly after receiving this briefing, Pelosi was out in China Town telling people to go out and enjoy themselves.
The Dems, in congress at least, are just as culpable as Trump.
Last though, no country handled this well, and there are plenty of countries who did a lot worse then us. So this idea that Trump is an unique bad guy is laughable. This was going to burn through the population, and all data is showing lock downs did nothing to prevent it. With the exception of the nursing home death, which Cuomo is more to blame than anyone else, none of these deaths were preventable.
"Death laughs at us all, all a man can do is laugh back."
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Pushing a false agenda again Peter?
No where in that piece did it say the official nomination that was mentioned in the news this week was a forgery, only that forgeries were found in addition to the legitimate one.
I claimed nothing different. Please read before responding.
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First of all, he said the same thing to Jim Accosta in March during a live press conference. I believe we even talked about it here with the same kind of responses. As Craig points out, you guys really have short memories, or are clutching at straws.
Second do you also blame Pelosi and Harris for downplaying it?
The reason Woodward did not go to the press with this in February is because he did not know if Trump was giving him credible information or talking out of his ass, a not uncommon occurrence. It was not until May that he learned this came from a security briefing that every high ranking member of congress also received, including Pelosi and Harris. Biden is the only one who can claim plausible deniability.
Then, shortly after receiving this briefing, Pelosi was out in China Town telling people to go out and enjoy themselves.
The Dems, in congress at least, are just as culpable as Trump.
Last though, no country handled this well, and there are plenty of countries who did a lot worse then us. So this idea that Trump is an unique bad guy is laughable. This was going to burn through the population, and all data is showing lock downs did nothing to prevent it. With the exception of the nursing home death, which Cuomo is more to blame than anyone else, none of these deaths were preventable.
"Death laughs at us all, all a man can do is laugh back."
A nice timeline of dems, the media, Bidens advisors and even Fauci "downplaying" the virus. Bernard is clueless.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well
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First of all, he said the same thing to Jim Accosta in March during a live press conference. I believe we even talked about it here with the same kind of responses. As Craig points out, you guys really have short memories, or are clutching at straws.
Second do you also blame Pelosi and Harris for downplaying it?
The reason Woodward did not go to the press with this in February is because he did not know if Trump was giving him credible information or talking out of his ass, a not uncommon occurrence. It was not until May that he learned this came from a security briefing that every high ranking member of congress also received, including Pelosi and Harris. Biden is the only one who can claim plausible deniability.
Then, shortly after receiving this briefing, Pelosi was out in China Town telling people to go out and enjoy themselves.
The Dems, in congress at least, are just as culpable as Trump.
Last though, no country handled this well, and there are plenty of countries who did a lot worse then us. So this idea that Trump is an unique bad guy is laughable. This was going to burn through the population, and all data is showing lock downs did nothing to prevent it. With the exception of the nursing home death, which Cuomo is more to blame than anyone else, none of these deaths were preventable.
"Death laughs at us all, all a man can do is laugh back."
1. Trump is President, nobody else. How about giving him the responsibilities associated to his functions? Is the constant avoidance of responsibility something you exercise in your own life also? If ever a client weren’t happy about the task you accepted, do you always blame it on somebody else? Is that the Republican way of going around things?
2. Thanks for providing additional evidence of his wrong doings
3. Very few countries have fared worse than the US, none among highly developed nations, by a huge margin. Compare the economic impacts in China, Japan, Germany and Korea (to cite the closest economic competitors), their economy was affected much less thanks to better leadership and crisis mgt. Plus the death toll of course. Germany, a super dense country in the heart of Europe, has 6 times less deaths per inhabitant, Japan even denser and right next to China has 35 times less death, China themselves has 200 times less deaths,...
I would have expected 10 or 20% differences. The incredible ratio seen here are unheard of.
Just look at facts for a change.
4. The only economîc indicator that isn’t a total disaster in the US, again not due to the virus but due to the way Trump handled it, is the stock market. Why? Not at all because the economy is going well (which used to be correlated). Only because huge amount of public debt was used to artificially inject money, not for the sake of the citizens, but for the sake of rich stock owners. So middle class americans get the double cheese treatment: they loose jobs first and then also get to reimburse the debt indirectly, which will mean worst public schools for their kids,...
The real economic outcome of Trump’s term is the worse of any President since WWII. He is not even close to Obama eventough he started with the great economic situation Democrats gifted him as he entered office.
Cheers,
Bernard
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And what horrors do you talk about?
You are like the guy who, standing in the middle of the Himalayas and looking around, asks "What mountains?"
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I claimed nothing different. Please read before responding.
Okay, well, I just stated the obvious in a much more ... ummm ... obvious way then.
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A nice timeline of dems, the media, Bidens advisors and even Fauci "downplaying" the virus. Bernard is clueless.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well
Thanks for this Craig. It really is a shame seeing so many hearts filled with hate.
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1. Trump is President, nobody else. How about giving him the responsibilities associated to his functions? Is the constant avoidance of responsibility something you exercise in your own life also? If ever a client weren’t happy about the task you accepted, do you always blame it on somebody else? Is that the Republican way of going around things?
2. Thanks for providing additional evidence of his wrong doings
3. Very few countries have fared worse than the US, none among highly developed nations, by a huge margin. Compare the economic impacts in China, Japan, Germany and Korea (to cite the closest economic competitors), their economy was affected much less thanks to better leadership and crisis mgt. Plus the death toll of course. Germany, a super dense country in the heart of Europe, has 6 times less deaths per inhabitant, Japan even denser and right next to China has 35 times less death, China themselves has 200 times less deaths,...
I would have expected 10 or 20% differences. The incredible ratio seen here are unheard of.
Just look at facts for a change.
4. The only economîc indicator that isn’t a total disaster in the US, again not due to the virus but due to the way Trump handled it, is the stock market. Why? Not at all because the economy is going well (which used to be correlated). Only because huge amount of public debt was used to artificially inject money, not for the sake of the citizens, but for the sake of rich stock owners. So middle class americans get the double cheese treatment: they loose jobs first and then also get to reimburse the debt indirectly, which will mean worst public schools for their kids,...
The real economic outcome of Trump’s term is the worse of any President since WWII. He is not even close to Obama eventough he started with the great economic situation Democrats gifted him as he entered office.
Cheers,
Bernard
The reality is Bernard, much of the world is in the same position as the USA, especially in Europe, when it comes to C-19. England, France, Italy, all have death rates higher. If you look at the data, this is obviously true. Trying to blame him for the virus or economic conditions is lucidious and partisan, and pushing an agenda.
On top of that, and I'll give you a hint at my thoughts coming into this election, I dont give a damn about Covid anymore. I have not for 3 to 4 months, and have largely felt the democrats have mishandled this by insisting lock downs continue. It is the lock downs, continued by Dems, that have brought havoc on the country. That is one thing I am voting against, the continued lock downs.
Also, we have a party for Capitalism, and a part for socialism using a doddering old man as cover. Since Socialism has not only failed everywhere, but brought with it misery, suffering and death universally, the choice is pretty easy.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
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Damn! Talk about putting bitter for sweet!
End the Nobel Peace Prize
The Trump nomination shows that peace had its chance, and blew it. (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/end-nobel-peace-prize/616300/)
The Atlantic calls to 'end the Nobel Peace Prize' following Trump nominations (https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-atlantic-end-nobel-peace-prize-trump)
"The president's name was submitted for the 2021 prize by Norwegian lawmaker Christian Tybring-Gjedde, who cited Trump's role in brokering a peace agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Trump has since earned a second nomination from Swedish lawmaker Magnus Jacobsson for overseeing an economic deal between Kosovo and Serbia."
And now Bahrain ... anyone for a third nomination?
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The reality is Bernard, much of the world is in the same position as the USA, especially in Europe, when it comes to C-19. England, France, Italy, all have death rates higher. If you look at the data, this is obviously true. Trying to blame him for the virus or economic conditions is lucidious and partisan, and pushing an agenda.
On top of that, and I'll give you a hint at my thoughts coming into this election, I dont give a damn about Covid anymore. I have not for 3 to 4 months, and have largely felt the democrats have mishandled this by insisting lock downs continue. It is the lock downs, continued by Dems, that have brought havoc on the country. That is one thing I am voting against, the continued lock downs.
Also, we have a party for Capitalism, and a part for socialism using a doddering old man as cover. Since Socialism has not only failed everywhere, but brought with it misery, suffering and death universally, the choice is pretty easy.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Joe,
I don't understand why you refuse to keep looking at reality.
- England is very bad too because their prime minister adopted the exact same attitude as Trump, I agree with you on that part
- France and Italy have similar death rates (a bit lower now) but they were hit several weeks earlier than the US. Had Trump taken the measures he had to in a timely manner, learning from both the European situation and the Chinese one, he would have saved tens of thousands of people and the economy also. This is especially obvious if you loop at the time distribution,
- Still, those leaders are under heavy fire from their respective populations and their odds of reelection are very low
- I understand you not caring about covid (the impact on your system of beliefs is way too heavy to handle), but think of the families of the 100,000+ people who didn't have to die and wouldn't have died had any other President other than Trump been in command
- There is no way you can really believe that Biden is a socialist. You know it, I know it. Why even bother writing it?
Cheers,
Bernard
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They're hunting down witches in Salem again, https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516102-qanon-spreads-across-globe-shadowing-covid-19 (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516102-qanon-spreads-across-globe-shadowing-covid-19).
Maybe our species is devolving after all. I didn't want to believe it. What is going wrong in people's heads that makes them think this third-rate Twilight Zone plot is better?
It's an astonishing thing. People are walking around with unbelievable computational power in the smartphones in their pockets, which exist because of incredible advances in physics and engineering, yet they still choose to believe in ghosts and goblins. We'd better fix what's broken.
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They're hunting down witches in Salem again, https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516102-qanon-spreads-across-globe-shadowing-covid-19 (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/516102-qanon-spreads-across-globe-shadowing-covid-19).
Maybe our species is devolving after all. I didn't want to believe it. What is going wrong in people's heads that makes them think this third-rate Twilight Zone plot is better?
It's an astonishing thing. People are walking around with unbelievable computational power in the smartphones in their pockets, which exist because of incredible advances in physics and engineering, yet they still choose to believe in ghosts and goblins. We'd better fix what's broken.
I want that T-shirt!
It is the only thing i like about it...
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Well stated opinion piece about politics as salesmanship, https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-trump-era-sucks-and-needs-to (https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-trump-era-sucks-and-needs-to). Just so you know, it's anti-Trump but it's anti political status quo too.
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Well stated opinion piece about politics as salesmanship, https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-trump-era-sucks-and-needs-to (https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-trump-era-sucks-and-needs-to). Just so you know, it's anti-Trump but it's anti political status quo too.
Walking on the streats at night...
The moon is shining bright...
What's that in the shadows??
What's that in the shadows??
Is it a dog?
Is it a cat?
Is it a dog?
What about that?
OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH - LOOK AROUND YOU!
(the Stranglers)
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For anyone that doesn't give a damn about Covid anymore, I have a message from everyone else. No one gives a damn that you don't give a damn.
Responding to a pandemic isn't about you, it's about public health. No one gives a damn about your thoughts on the virus or feelings about how the response is handled. No one cares about your lack of concern or your fearlessness about contracting the disease; we're only concerned about your potential for spreading it.
If someone feels like getting drunk, no one cares until they get in their car and start driving, placing the health, safety, and lives of others at risk. Maybe they will make it home without killing themself or others, maybe not. The rest of us don't want to take that risk. Stay at home and watch TV in a stupor and no one will care.
If you don't give a damn about a pandemic, stay at home and read your collection of Ayn Rand novels. No one will give a damn. But, the rapid spreading of a virus that has brought with it misery, suffering, and death, and the choice is pretty easy. That, we do give a damn about.
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For anyone that doesn't give a damn about Covid anymore, I have a message from everyone else. No one gives a damn that you don't give a damn.
Responding to a pandemic isn't about you, it's about public health. No one gives a damn about your thoughts on the virus or feelings about how the response is handled. No one cares about your lack of concern or your fearlessness about contracting the disease; we're only concerned about your potential for spreading it.
If someone feels like getting drunk, no one cares until they get in their car and start driving, placing the health, safety, and lives of others at risk. Maybe they will make it home without killing themself or others, maybe not. The rest of us don't want to take that risk. Stay at home and watch TV in a stupor and no one will care.
If you don't give a damn about a pandemic, stay at home and read your collection of Ayn Rand novels. No one will give a damn. But, the rapid spreading of a virus that has brought with it misery, suffering, and death, and the choice is pretty easy. That, we do give a damn about.
No one? Is exaggeration just your MO? Better yet, prove No One Cares. Joes opinion has just as much worth as yours. Btw who is we?
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For anyone that doesn't give a damn about Covid anymore, I have a message from everyone else. No one gives a damn that you don't give a damn.
Responding to a pandemic isn't about you, it's about public health. No one gives a damn about your thoughts on the virus or feelings about how the response is handled. No one cares about your lack of concern or your fearlessness about contracting the disease; we're only concerned about your potential for spreading it.
If someone feels like getting drunk, no one cares until they get in their car and start driving, placing the health, safety, and lives of others at risk. Maybe they will make it home without killing themself or others, maybe not. The rest of us don't want to take that risk. Stay at home and watch TV in a stupor and no one will care.
If you don't give a damn about a pandemic, stay at home and read your collection of Ayn Rand novels. No one will give a damn. But, the rapid spreading of a virus that has brought with it misery, suffering, and death, and the choice is pretty easy. That, we do give a damn about.
Good post and to the point.
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No one? Is exaggeration just your MO? Better yet, prove No One Cares. Joes opinion has just as much worth as yours.
All opinions have the same value?
If I say "1+1=3" and you say "1+1=2", do our opinions have the same worth?
If they don't it means you agree with me that something I like to call "the truth" exists, and that people aligning their opinion with that truth are right and those who don't are wrong.
Correct?
In the case of covid19 the truth is crystal clear.
- taking late measures (late communication of a clear plan, late testing, late control of the degree of interaction between people,...) kills a lot more innocent people than need be and hurts the economy more than need be
- Trump did all that
- Once you have messed up that bad, additional measures need to be taken to avoid more death
- Trump is at least very inconsistent about these measures
Cheers,
Bernard
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Before anyone gets into a frenzied state of excitement regarding Nobel Peace Prize nominations, it would be worthwhile to look into just how meaningless a nomination for that prize is due to the nomination process. Unlike, for instance, an Academy Award where it actually is an honor just to be nominated by the process of your peers voting for your nomination, the announcement of a Nobel Peace Prize nomination has no value except as a publicity stunt.
Relatively few people understand that thousands upon thousands of individuals around the world qualify as nominators; or that any one individual of that multitude can put forth a nomination; or how numerous and extremely broad the range of criteria is for being qualified as a nominator; or that there is no criteria for being nominated; and therefore, an individual making an announcement that they have nominated someone has publicity value, but nothing more. Being aware of that, The Nobel Committee does not provide a list of, nor give any recognition to, the hundreds of nominees received each year and withholds the names of those nominated for 50 years in an effort to reduce the use of nominations for publicity purposes.
Just in the US for example, any one of the hundreds of House Members or Senators in Congress, any Cabinet Member, any one of the thousands of professors of political or social science, history, philosophy, law, or theology, any university rectors or chancellors, and numerous other individuals qualify as nominators and could announce that you are a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize! Think how that would look on your resume! So become friends with a local university professor, maybe offer a donation to their favorite charity, and you too could be graced with such an honor! And if you can't find someone in your own country to nominate you, there are hundreds or thousands of people qualified to do so in every other nation in the world that could provide you with such an honor. Although, it's an honor that would be shared with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini, who were all Nobel Peace Prize nominees.
Being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, now that's an honor! Being nominated is a nothing-burger. While Nobel Prize awards, in every category, are sometimes criticized and sometimes controversial; they have never been awarded for nothing.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/)
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/facts/facts-on-the-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/facts/facts-on-the-nobel-peace-prize/)
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/questions-and-answers-about-the-nomination-process-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/ (https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/questions-and-answers-about-the-nomination-process-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/)
How does the nomination process work?
Nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize are submitted from all corners of the world to the Norwegian Nobel Committee, responsible for selecting the recipient(s) of the prize. Anyone who fulfils the nominator criteria can put forward a name and motivate their opinion of why they consider the candidate worthy. This is what differs the Nobel Peace Prize selection process from many other prizes where the Committee in charge chooses both all the nominees and the winners.
Who can nominate?
Nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize requires no invitation. Eligible nominators are university rectors or chancellors, professors of political and social science, history, philosophy, law and theology; leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs; members of national assemblies, governments, and international courts of law; previous Nobel Peace Prize Laureates; board members of organizations and institutions that have received the Nobel Peace Prize; present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; and former advisers of the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
Is there a list of all of the nominees for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize?
Contrary to common belief, there is no public list of the current year’s nominees. The complete list of eligible nominees of any year’s prizes is not disclosed for another 50 years – a restriction as governed by the Nobel statutes.
What does it mean to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?
Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate. The Norwegian Nobel Committee has no say in submissions that arrives according to the criteria, strictly in who is actually awarded the prize in October. To simply be nominated is therefore not an endorsement or extended honour to imply affiliation with the Nobel Peace Prize or its related institutions.
Do you share any information about who is nominated for the Peace Prize this year?
No. In fact, none of the Nobel Committees do announce the names of nominees, neither to the media nor to the candidates themselves. In so far as certain names crop up in the advance speculations of potential nominees or candidates – it’s either sheer guesswork or information put out by the person or persons behind a nomination.
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In fact, none of the Nobel Committees do announce the names of nominees, neither to the media nor to the candidates themselves. In so far as certain names crop up in the advance speculations of potential nominees or candidates – it’s either sheer guesswork or information put out by the person or persons behind a nomination.
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If you want, for some bizarre reason only you can understand, to discuss politics in relation to coronavirus, there's a special place for you. Don't do it here, or anywhere other than the playpen.
Jeremy
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Guys, guys, guys! You are all barking up the wrong tree!
Trump was not nominated for "The Nobel Peace Prize" - he was, and this is according to his campaign, nominated for "The Noble Peace Prize"!
Don't believe me...believe your lying eyes...
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For anyone that doesn't give a damn about Covid anymore, I have a message from everyone else. No one gives a damn that you don't give a damn.
Responding to a pandemic isn't about you, it's about public health. No one gives a damn about your thoughts on the virus or feelings about how the response is handled. No one cares about your lack of concern or your fearlessness about contracting the disease; we're only concerned about your potential for spreading it.
If someone feels like getting drunk, no one cares until they get in their car and start driving, placing the health, safety, and lives of others at risk. Maybe they will make it home without killing themself or others, maybe not. The rest of us don't want to take that risk. Stay at home and watch TV in a stupor and no one will care.
If you don't give a damn about a pandemic, stay at home and read your collection of Ayn Rand novels. No one will give a damn. But, the rapid spreading of a virus that has brought with it misery, suffering, and death, and the choice is pretty easy. That, we do give a damn about.
You can stay home if you give a damn, and that way you will be safe. After all, we were told lock downs work and, if you believe this, well then you should be safe, right!
I on other hand know the facts are on my side. About 50% of deaths were in nursing homes, and the average age of death overall is 78 (the average of death anyway). This shows that, as is almost always the case, this sickness effects the elderly the most, with the elderly needing to be protected the most.
Fact is, we went far too broad with these overall lock downs, skipping a 100 steps between doing nothing and where we went to. We could have instead concentrated our money into protecting the vulnerable instead of spreading it across to everyone and gotten a better result. This is proven by the fact that FL did just this without locking down with much better results then some other states, like NY and NJ.
So, when I say I dont give a damn anymore, let me clarify this, I just dont give a damn about the overall lock downs and continuing to follow these draconian rules. It is beyond obvious it was a total mistake to go this broad, which anyone looking at the data closely knew at week 5. Same thing with testing. There is no reason to test anyone else then the vulnerable and those who come in contact with the vulnerable. It has spread at this point, so contact tracing (aside from scientific studies) is pointless.
If you want to talk about targeted approaches, like we have mainly been doing for the last couple of months, then I am all ears. But insofar as overall lock downs, I just ain't doing it anymore and have not for 3 months at this point.
So no, I will not be staying home. I will continue to go out and enjoy myself, only wearing a mask when required indoors. Like I said, if you think lock downs work so well, stay inside and you should be safe (by your own logic). I was golfing in a group fo 8 yesterday, we all shook hands, none of us had masks on, we used the carts in pairs, so it is not just me.
FYI, I've never read a book by Ayn Rand and know very few conservatives who consider her to be important, and I know many who feel she should be shunned. She is more then not used as a boogie man by leftists to distort views of conservative.
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Guys, guys, guys! You are all barking up the wrong tree!
Trump was not nominated for "The Nobel Peace Prize" - he was, and this is according to his campaign, nominated for "The Noble Peace Prize"!
Don't believe me...believe your lying eyes...
Hilarious!
But then, it is obvious he can’t speak Norwegian.
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Roger Stone speaks, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election). Trump should have left him in the hoosegow. :)
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Roger Stone speaks, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/roger-stone-to-donald-trump-bring-in-martial-law-if-you-lose-election). Trump should have left him in the hoosegow. :)
Yes, this is part of an orchestrated communication plan to normalize the idea that these elections are different, that not respecting the choice of the electors is a valid approach.
Trump knows he is going to loose, so he is simply planning to do what he has been doing all his life. Which is to cheat.
He is trying to build a case for the legitimacy of cheating by distilling the idea that the others are cheating first. That his incredibly offensive move is a defensive one.
Those using their brains even a few seconds and looking at reality know that this is just insane. That someone close to the President of the US speaking such non sense in public is a total disgrace. Yet, I have not seen any reaction from the likes of Craig, Joe,... they seem to be fine with the clear sign of move towards dictatorship. And I would like to stress once again their direct personnal responsibility here.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Stone is irrelevant. The one who counts is Pence. Hence my new favourite meme:
Trump loses the election.
As a lame duck president, he resigns and Pence assumes the presidency.
Pence pardons Trump.
Done.
And, as <insert usual suspects here> would say: "It's all perfectly legal".
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Stone is irrelevant. The one who counts is Pence. Hence my new favourite meme:
Trump loses the election.
As a lame duck president, he resigns and Pence assumes the presidency.
Pence pardons Trump.
Done.
And, as <insert usual suspects here> would say: "It's all perfectly legal".
Mostly won't work -- Pence couldn't pardon state-based crimes, only federal crimes. Trump spent most of his life in New York, and most of his criminal activity (other than treason) involves his finances, which New York heavily regulates, and his taxes. Because state taxes are often based on federal returns, if he cheated on his federal taxes, he cheated on his state taxes. Of course, with his orange hair, he'll look quite svelte in New York's orange nylon jumpsuits.
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Trump instigates "lock him up" chants about Obama at a rally in Nevada, https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/14/trump-without-evidence-claims-obama-spied-on-2016-campaign-elicits-lock-him-up-chant/#64ba2d449990 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/14/trump-without-evidence-claims-obama-spied-on-2016-campaign-elicits-lock-him-up-chant/#64ba2d449990).
Trump has been in office for nearly four years, renewed claims that they caught Obama "cold" back in 2016, but he has never taken any action in that time. Makes no sense.
Is this just a carnival sideshow?
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Trump instigates "lock him up" chants about Obama at a rally in Nevada, https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/14/trump-without-evidence-claims-obama-spied-on-2016-campaign-elicits-lock-him-up-chant/#64ba2d449990 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/14/trump-without-evidence-claims-obama-spied-on-2016-campaign-elicits-lock-him-up-chant/#64ba2d449990).
Trump has been in office for nearly four years, renewed claims that they caught Obama "cold" back in 2016, but he has never taken any action in that time. Makes no sense.
Is this just a carnival sideshow?
Nothing makes sense. Reality has no more any impact on anything Trump says.
He has demonstrated the world, including his supporters, that he can look at a Yes sign and tell you with a straight face “it says no”.
The good news is that it removes any credibility from insane claims such as “Joe Biden is a socialist who will take your guns”.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Before the Trumplets here get too dewy-eyed about the "peace" deals between Israel and the UAE and Bahrain, you would do well to read this.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-peace-deals-israel-uae-bahrain-are-shams-they-boost-ncna1240085https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-peace-deals-israel-uae-bahrain-are-shams-they-boost-ncna1240085
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Before the Trumplets here get too dewy-eyed about the "peace" deals between Israel and the UAE and Bahrain, you would do well to read this.
The author has a very definite axe to grind.
Jeremy
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It's the Middle East. There are a thousand parties grinding a thousand axes. All of them with a double edge.
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The author has a very definite axe to grind.
At least he offers an explanation for what UAE and Bahamian get out of the deal.
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I thought that the Jewish community would have thought this to be a positive move.
This Times Of Israel article, by Abraham Foxman, director of the Anti-Defamation League and, according to the New York Times Magazine, "scourge of anti-Semites of high estate and low, in Hollywood and Tehran, on campus and in the tabloids", surprised me.
"Trump is bad for America and bad for the Jews
For 50+ years, I kept out of politics; now, with a demagogue who threatens American democracy as US president, I must speak out"
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jewrys-fateful-choice/
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I thought that the Jewish community would have thought this to be a positive move.
This Times Of Israel article, by Abraham Foxman, director of the Anti-Defamation League and, according to the New York Times Magazine, "scourge of anti-Semites of high estate and low, in Hollywood and Tehran, on campus and in the tabloids", surprised me.
"Trump is bad for America and bad for the Jews
For 50+ years, I kept out of politics; now, with a demagogue who threatens American democracy as US president, I must speak out"
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/american-jewrys-fateful-choice/
Yes. Of course.
The points are extremely close to those listed by the famous Fortune magazine cover article “why Trump is bad for business”.
As soon as you look objectively at the big picture any apparent short term gain his policies may look like delivering is dwarfed by the mid to long term negative impacts.
Not to mention that even his short term gains mostly look bad already when you consider actual facts instead of the embellished version propagandaed by Trump himself. His short term economic results vs those of Obama coming to mind as a striking example. Yes, Obsma did better although he started from a far worse situation.
But Trump isn’t in it for his electorate, the US, Jews or the good of the World. He is in it for himself as an individual. There is nothing else to it.
Regards,
Bernard
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The author has a very definite axe to grind.
Jeremy
Yes, she does. I've seen her described as a mouthpiece of Hamas. On the other hand, she's correct in her basic argument here.
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Scientific American - We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now
Scientific American has never endorsed a presidential candidate in its 175-year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly.
The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. The most devastating example is his dishonest and inept response to the COVID-19 pandemic, which cost more than 190,000 Americans their lives by the middle of September. He has also attacked environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges. That is why we urge you to vote for Joe Biden, who is offering fact-based plans to protect our health, our economy and the environment. These and other proposals he has put forth can set the country back on course for a safer, more prosperous and more equitable future.
Full editorial at...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/)
* Please don't turn this back into a Covid debate back and forth. I posted this here first as the editorial and endorsement are related to Trump's wholesale assault on science across the board.
I will also post this in the "Covid-19 Everything Political" thread in case someone wants to debate the Covid response aspect of the editorial separately from every other assault on science being made by Trump, as required by the moderator. If you wish to discuss Covid response and the political implications, it appears that's the only place where it's allowed.
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This position from the Scientific American clearly says that Trump isn’t a Republican anymore.
They would never take such a stand if he were.
The expression selling your soul to the devil comes to mind.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump on forest fires: It will get cooler again.
Trump on Covid-19 : it will disappear in summer like magic.
Who needs a president these days.
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So, at a time when political leaders have much better and far more important things to do, they have to waste their time and taxpayer money chasing shadows, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/aluminum-tariff-canada-us-trump_ca_5f60f59bc5b68d1b09c89198 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/aluminum-tariff-canada-us-trump_ca_5f60f59bc5b68d1b09c89198), because Trump likes to shoot from the hip and "tell it like it is" even though time and time and time again, he demonstrates that he doesn't have a clue.
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So, at a time when political leaders have much better and far more important things to do, they have to waste their time and taxpayer money chasing shadows, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/aluminum-tariff-canada-us-trump_ca_5f60f59bc5b68d1b09c89198 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/aluminum-tariff-canada-us-trump_ca_5f60f59bc5b68d1b09c89198), because Trump likes to shoot from the hip and "tell it like it is" even though time and time and time again, he demonstrates that he doesn't have a clue.
Embarrassing. :-[ Again. >:(
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The expression selling your soul to the devil comes to mind.
Cheers,
Bernard
Trump? A soul? I don't think so.
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Trump? A soul? I don't think so.
I meant the Republican Party... :)
They have demonstrated with utmost clarity that their fear of the evolving demographics in the US is such that they are willing to giving up on all the founding principles of the party for the sake of winning.
As often in life, their actions are going to accelerate the very thing they were afraid of, which is defeat. The most striking example of self fulfilling prophecy.
Another, more realistic approach, would have been be to stick to the democratic ideal of the US and to propose a political program that meet the needs of the majority of the population.
Cheers,
Bernard
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FBI Director Christopher Wray testifying today before the House Homeland Security Committee:
FBI Director Wray: “We certainly have seen very active, very active efforts by the Russians to influence our election in 2020, through what I would call more the malign foreign influence side of things — social media, use of proxies, state media, online journals, etc. — an effort to both sow divisiveness and discord and, and I think the intelligence community has assessed this publicly, to primarily, to denigrate Vice President Biden”
https://twitter.com/cspan/efforts by the Russians to influence our election in 2020 (https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1306603531588243457)
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Trump ABC town hall pulls in fewer viewers than 'America's Got Talent,' NBA, Fox News
ABC's 90-minute town hall with President Trump drew fewer viewers than NBC's "America's Got Talent," ESPN's NBA playoffs telecast and Fox News prime-time programming featuring Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, according to Nielsen Media Research.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/516832-trump-abc-town-hall-pulls-in-fewer-viewers-than-americas-got-talent-nba-fox
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Russian Intelligence Agent Andrii Derkach Working to Undermine US Election
If you're interested in one of the ways in which Russia uses "proxies" to spread disinformation and propaganda to influence the US 2020 election, one place to look would be Andrii Derkach. The Treasury Department issued a press release one week ago...
(Treasury Dept. Press Release) "Derkach, a Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services. Derkach has directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in an attempt to undermine the upcoming 2020 U.S. presidential election."
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118 (https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm1118)
One of the ways Derkach spread Russian disinformation was thru audio tapes edited to produce a false narrative...
(Treasury Dept. Press Release) "Between May and July 2020, Derkach released edited audio tapes and other unsupported information with the intent to discredit U.S. officials, and he levied unsubstantiated allegations against U.S. and international political figures. Derkach almost certainly targeted the U.S. voting populace, prominent U.S. persons, and members of the U.S. government, based on his reliance on U.S. platforms, English-language documents and videos, and pro-Russian lobbyists in the United States used to propagate his claims."
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/biden-audio-first-shared-by-russian-agent-thrives-online (https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/biden-audio-first-shared-by-russian-agent-thrives-online)
Trump retweeted the Russian false propaganda...
(AP) "By amplifying the recording to his more than 85 million Twitter followers, Trump underscored the ease with which pro-Russian narratives can seep into American public discourse ahead of the 2020 election even after being flagged by intelligence officials as the product of a concerted Russian effort."
https://www.timesfreepress.com/2020/aug/19/trump-retweets-purported-audio-biden-call-ukraine (https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/national/political/story/2020/aug/19/trump-retweets-purported-audio-biden-call-ukraine/530134/)
Andrii Derkach has been working with Rudy Giuliani and One America News Network
People in the US that Russian agent Andrii Derkach has been working with include Rudy Giuliani and One America News Network (OAN is a far-right pro-Trump cable channel and website). Derkach and Giuliani appeared in an anti-Biden television series produced by OAN and Giuliani has interviewed Derkach on his YouTube video series Common Sense about the Bidens. Since the Treasury Department's press release on Derkach, OAN has been rapidly trying to erase any trace of his name or appearances from their website; while Giuliani repeatedly denies knowing anything about his background.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-repeatedly-warned-about-andriy-derkach-rudy-giulianis-russian-agent-pal (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-intel-repeatedly-warned-about-andriy-derkach-rudy-giulianis-russian-agent-pal)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/election-interference-sanctions-ukraine/2020/09/10/ (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LBlxourX2sUJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/election-interference-sanctions-ukraine/2020/09/10/ba537510-f382-11ea-9279-45d6bdfe145f_story.html+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
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Trump ABC town hall pulls in fewer viewers than 'America's Got Talent,' NBA, Fox News
ABC's 90-minute town hall with President Trump drew fewer viewers than NBC's "America's Got Talent," ESPN's NBA playoffs telecast and Fox News prime-time programming featuring Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, according to Nielsen Media Research.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/516832-trump-abc-town-hall-pulls-in-fewer-viewers-than-americas-got-talent-nba-fox
Some of it is most probably the result of an actual drop of popularity of Trump but it may only be part of the story.
My modest opinion as an outsider is that we are at a stage where the denial of reality of Trump is such that his supporters have applied the lies to him also and turned him into an imaginary idealized object.
But deep inside they know the real Trump is a disaster. So some of them (many it seems) avoid watching him to avoid further risk that his actual mediocrity could further ruin the idealized image they have built.
The main reason being to avoid damaging their own image as a Trump supporter. It’s the very same logic of cheating and running away from issues that is 180 degrees away from everything the Republicans have been standing for from since they were founded.
And this goes to show how anti-Republican Trump bigotry in itself is.
It’s the same association mechanism by which Nikon fanboys avoid watching Youtube videos by Nikon boasting about the great autofocus of the Z7.
The good news being that smart people have the ability to escape such self-deception mechanisms.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump Announces 'Patriotic Education' Commission, A Largely Political Move
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/17/914127266/trump-announces-patriotic-education-commission-a-largely-political-move
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Ohio Republican Chief Justice sharply criticized the Ohio Republican Party Wednesday for their statement calling a judge partisan
Republican Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose last month ordered that absentee ballot drop boxes be limited to one per county. Shortly after Judge Richard Fry ruled Tuesday that LaRose’s rule to limit the number to one in each county was arbitrary and issued a ruling that allows for the addition of ballot drop boxes, the Republican Party released a statement. It read, in part: “After the corruption and deceit we have seen from Ohio Democrats, it comes as no surprise to discover they have colluded with a Democrat Common Pleas Court judge regarding a ruling on ballot drop boxes,”.
Republican Chief Supreme Court Justice Maureen O’Connor issued a condemnation of the party’s comments. She was the Republican Lieutenant Governor of Ohio before joining the Ohio Supreme Court in 2003 as an Associate Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court and becoming Chief Justice in 2011.
Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor issued a statement that says in part:
"I condemn in the strongest possible terms both the statement released by the Ohio Republican Party on September 15, 2020, and its unsigned authors. The statement disparages the integrity of Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Richard Frye. The publication accuses Judge Frye of colluding with the Ohio Democratic Party and labels him a “partisan judge.”
To accuse a judge of deciding the matter before him on partisan politics and further accuse the judge of “obstruction of his judicial responsibility” is without merit and is meant to further the false narrative that judges have no conscience, no legal responsibilities, and no capacity to decide what the law is beyond the raw politics of the issue.
The Republican Party’s statement should be seen for what it is: part of a continuing string of attacks against any decision that doesn’t favor a political end, regardless of party, even if that decision may be legally correct and indeed legally required.
Attacks on the judiciary only serve to undermine the public’s confidence in the courts. Attacks such as these, no matter the source, reflect poorly, not on the judiciary, but on the leadership of those who would perpetrate them."
Her full statement can be found here...
http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2020/judicialAttack_091620 (http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2020/judicialAttack_091620.asp#.X2PrmC9h124)
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Here are a few whoppers Trump told the crowd at his Wisconsin rally.
Fact check: Boasting and attacking Biden, Trump makes at least 25 false claims at Wisconsin rally
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/trump-fact-check-25-false-claims-wisconsin-rally/index.html
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Ohio Republican Chief Justice sharply criticized the Ohio Republican Party Wednesday for their statement calling a judge partisan
Republican Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose last month ordered that absentee ballot drop boxes be limited to one per county. Shortly after Judge Richard Fry ruled Tuesday that LaRose’s rule to limit the number to one in each county was arbitrary and issued a ruling that allows for the addition of ballot drop boxes, the Republican Party released a statement. It read, in part: “After the corruption and deceit we have seen from Ohio Democrats, it comes as no surprise to discover they have colluded with a Democrat Common Pleas Court judge regarding a ruling on ballot drop boxes,”.
Republican Chief Supreme Court Justice Maureen O’Connor issued a condemnation of the party’s comments. She was the Republican Lieutenant Governor of Ohio before joining the Ohio Supreme Court in 2003 as an Associate Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court and becoming Chief Justice in 2011.
Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor issued a statement that says in part:
"I condemn in the strongest possible terms both the statement released by the Ohio Republican Party on September 15, 2020, and its unsigned authors. The statement disparages the integrity of Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Richard Frye. The publication accuses Judge Frye of colluding with the Ohio Democratic Party and labels him a “partisan judge.”
To accuse a judge of deciding the matter before him on partisan politics and further accuse the judge of “obstruction of his judicial responsibility” is without merit and is meant to further the false narrative that judges have no conscience, no legal responsibilities, and no capacity to decide what the law is beyond the raw politics of the issue.
The Republican Party’s statement should be seen for what it is: part of a continuing string of attacks against any decision that doesn’t favor a political end, regardless of party, even if that decision may be legally correct and indeed legally required.
Attacks on the judiciary only serve to undermine the public’s confidence in the courts. Attacks such as these, no matter the source, reflect poorly, not on the judiciary, but on the leadership of those who would perpetrate them."
Her full statement can be found here...
http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2020/judicialAttack_091620 (http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2020/judicialAttack_091620.asp#.X2PrmC9h124)
The US Supreme Court justices always get accused of voting by political party who appointed them or according to some personal beliefs they have rather than interpreting the Constitution in a fair and unbiased way. So judges have always been fair game of voting according to politics on both sides of the political spectrum. Additionally, in many localities, judges are elected. They should be open to criticism.
So I think the Ohio Chief Justice is out of order. They're not immune to charges of wrong beliefs just like everyone else. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is appropriate. I have a right to accuse justices of bias or wrongheadedness if I think so.
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Trump Announces 'Patriotic Education' Commission, A Largely Political Move
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/17/914127266/trump-announces-patriotic-education-commission-a-largely-political-move
And he says that educating children about racial inequities in the country is "child abuse."
"My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." That second part is so apropos these days.
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And Science Magazine, the 175 year old publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, has joined Scientific American in condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. This is one of the most respected scientific journals in the world and they have never done this sort of thing before. Oh wait--must be a liberal plot.
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So I think the Ohio Chief Justice is out of order. They're not immune to charges of wrong beliefs just like everyone else. We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is appropriate. I have a right to accuse justices of bias or wrongheadedness if I think so.
Alan,
Considering your great call for democracy, I am sure you'll agree with me that the Republican decision to limit ballots to one per county in Florida was highly undemocratic in nature since it's designed to prevent valid voters from voting. Which is clearly against the constitution.
Do you agree?
Because if you agree that will mean that the judge, simply by applying the law, was right.
Why on earth would you think that a judge who applies the constitution in a fair way is valid target for partisan criticism? Do you see the constitution as a matter of partisan debate?
Have you forgotten the basic principle of separation of powers by which political man don't attempt to influence the juridicial system? It's one of the pillars of democracy.
If I were you I would fill an official complain to the Republican party because such undemocratic practices are just a total shame and a clear violation of the US democratic ideal as well as of the constitution. This is the kind of things people do in banana republics. The kind of things that calls for the dispatch of UN observers to ensure that an election is done without cheating.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Is this "art of the deal" stuff? Asking the pharmaceutical companies to send $100 cash cards to millions of seniors? It certainly did not work.
A Deal on Drug Prices Undone by White House Insistence on ‘Trump Cards’
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/us/politics/trump-drug-prices.html
Sorry if you can't read the story.
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And Science Magazine, the 175 year old publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, has joined Scientific American in condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. This is one of the most respected scientific journals in the world and they have never done this sort of thing before. Oh wait--must be a liberal plot.
The magazine and organizations and the scientists they represent will get more funding from the government if Biden is president. If you want to understand what's happening, just follow the money.
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The magazine and organizations and the scientists they represent will get more funding from the government if Biden is president. If you want to understand what's happening, just follow the money.
If you are correct, it means that Trump is the Republican president with the lowest ever support for research since the previous Republican president have never triggered such reactions.
But you know full well that your interpretation isn't correct right?
If this were their motivation why would they have not stated it as the main cause for their decision? Many people do complain openly about budget cuts for research. There were research cuts before at various times in the history of the US.
Instead, they have clearly stated that their main motivation is that they think that Trump's denial of science is bad for the country. Their move is a patriotic one. They are doing what is good for the US, and therefore for you.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Alan,
Considering your great call for democracy, I am sure you'll agree with me that the Republican decision to limit ballots to one per county in Florida was highly undemocratic in nature since it's designed to prevent valid voters from voting. Which is clearly against the constitution.
Do you agree?
Because if you agree that will mean that the judge, simply by applying the law, was right.
Why on earth would you think that a judge who applies the constitution in a fair way is valid target for partisan criticism?
Have you forgotten the basic principle of separation of powers by which political man don't attempt to influence the juridicial system? It's one of the pillars of democracy.
If I were you I would fill an official complain to the Republican party because such undemocratic practices are just a total shame and a clear violation of the US democratic ideal as well as of the constitution. This is the kind of things people do in banana republics. The kind of things that calls for the dispatch of UN observers to ensure that an election is done without cheating.
Cheers,
Bernard
Everyone in America criticises the courts - Democrats and Republicans alike. It's legal, moral, and critically important in a democracy. If courts were always right, why can rulings be appealed to higher courts? Obviously, those on the losing sides disagree with decisions. That's why they appeal. In fact, almost every case that goes before the Supreme Court is an appeal of a decision made by a lower court. The losing side feels they've been done wrong and are appealing. They criticise the lower court's decision ripping it apart so the higher court reverses the lower court's ruling. People march and demonstrate outside the courts where these appeals are being heard.
For a Chief Magistrate of one of the 50 states to argue that people shouldn't complain about court decisions is just bizarre. Unless officials are ignoring court decisions, it's just hurt pride on her part.
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If you are correct, it means that Trump is the Republican president with the lowest ever support for research since the previous Republican president have never triggered such reactions.
But you know full well that your interpretation isn't correct right?
If this were their motivation why would they have not stated it as the main cause for their decision? Many people do complain openly about budget cuts for research. There were research cuts before at various times in the history of the US.
Instead, they have clearly stated that their main motivation is that they think that Trump's denial of science is bad for the country. Their move is a patriotic one. They are doing what is good for the US, and therefore for you.
Cheers,
Bernard
They're saying that so they can make more money.
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They're saying that so they can make more money.
In your opinion, possibly. I find that somewhat cynical.
I prefer to take the view that those scientists really do care about truth more than the pocketbooks of the journals mentioned.
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They're saying that so they can make more money.
Perhaps that’s how you would look at it, but if that were the case it would only speak about your own ethical limits.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Everyone in America criticises the courts - Democrats and Republicans alike. It's legal, moral, and critically important in a democracy. If courts were always right, why can rulings be appealed to higher courts? Obviously, those on the losing sides disagree with decisions. That's why they appeal. In fact, almost every case that goes before the Supreme Court is an appeal of a decision made by a lower court. The losing side feels they've been done wrong and are appealing. They criticise the lower court's decision ripping it apart so the higher court reverses the lower court's ruling. People march and demonstrate outside the courts where these appeals are being heard.
For a Chief Magistrate of one of the 50 states to argue that people shouldn't complain about court decisions is just bizarre. Unless officials are ignoring court decisions, it's just hurt pride on her part.
You understand the difference btwn commenting about a general court decision and criticizing one that rules that a democratic party is abusing the office in an attempt to end democracy right?
This isn’t about playing within the system, it’s about killing the system itself.
What is your take on this decision?
Cheers,
Bernard
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You understand the difference btwn commenting about a general court decision and criticizing one that rules that a democratic party is abusing the office in an attempt to end democracy right?
This isn’t about playing within the system, it’s about killing the system itself.
What is your take on this decision?
Cheers,
Bernard
My point had nothing to do with the decision. I never mentioned it. My point was about the right to criticize the court, it's justices, and its rulings.
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My point had nothing to do with the decision. I never mentioned it. My point was about the right to criticize the court, it's justices, and its rulings.
And my point is that the infraction this decision applies to isn’t you typical billion US$ corporate theft case or you typical mass murder case.
It’s a violation of the most sacred aspect of the law in the US, the fair voting of electors.
So criticism of such a ruling also isn’t your regular discussion of court decision.
Cheers,
Bernard
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They're saying that so they can make more money.
So scientists are in it for the money, are they. This will come as news to them, I assure you. That is a crazy position to take. I don't want to understate how wrong you are. The position you are taking is the equivalent of believing in Alien abduction.
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The magazine and organizations and the scientists they represent will get more funding from the government if Biden is president. If you want to understand what's happening, just follow the money.
So, only Democratic administrations invest in sci & tech? Is that really what you're saying? Seriously?
Just as one small example, it's the military who built the GPS system. Is that a wild-ass socialist idea gone mad then?
You are making a fundamental error in logical thinking. You have come to the conclusion that because someone tells you something you don't want to hear, that therefore they are lying. You need to re-examine the thought process that got you here.
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So scientists are in it for the money, are they. This will come as news to them, I assure you. That is a crazy position to take. I don't want to understate how wrong you are. The position you are taking is the equivalent of believing in Alien abduction.
You can love your field of endeavor and still want to make sure you continue to have a job or make more money at it. How many photographers love photography but still want to make more money at it? People can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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There are a variety of ways in which a judicial decision can be criticized. The legal reasoning underlying a decision can be challenged. The constitutionality can be questioned as well as the logic, consequences, or impact of a decision.
Accusing a judge of colluding in deceit and corruption is an attack on the moral character and ethical integrity of the judge and the court, not a criticism of the legal reasoning of the decision. It goes well beyond an accusation of biased reasoning. In fact, such an accusation could be seen as a charge of criminal behavior by the judge. This is what the Ohio Republican Party did in their statement.
If they had any evidence that the accusations in their public statement were true, they should file a grievance with the Ohio Office of Disciplinary Counsel showing evidence of the judge violating the code of judicial conduct or a criminal complaint with evidence of corruption. Instead, they made accusations of improper (and likely illegal) conduct by the judge without any evidence, otherwise known in common non-legalistic language as a smear, against the judge and the court he represents.
Rather than challenge the legal reasoning and citations of law contained in the judge's ruling, they chose to attack his moral character in their public statement following the decision. Why someone would want to defend that as a reasonable response by a major political party to a judicial decision escapes me. It was apparently considered unreasonable and indefensible by the Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court, despite the fact that it was made by the same party she has repeatedly represented in multiple elections to state office. A Chief Justice has both a right and responsibility to defend the reputation and integrity of the courts and its members from assaults made without evidence. Her statement did not criticize any legal arguments made as there were none in the attack on the judge.
The judge's 31-page decision for those that are interested. https://www.scribd.com/document/Judge-Richard-Frye-drop-box-opinion-Sept-15-2020 (https://www.scribd.com/document/476143933/Judge-Richard-Frye-drop-box-opinion-Sept-15-2020)
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There are a variety of ways in which a judicial decision can be criticized. The legal reasoning underlying a decision can be challenged. The constitutionality can be questioned as well as the logic, consequences, or impact of a decision.
Accusing a judge of colluding in deceit and corruption is an attack on the moral character and ethical integrity of the judge and the court, not a criticism of the legal reasoning of the decision. It goes well beyond an accusation of biased reasoning. In fact, such an accusation could be seen as a charge of criminal behavior by the judge. This is what the Ohio Republican Party did in their statement.
If they had any evidence that the accusations in their public statement were true, they should file a grievance with the Ohio Office of Disciplinary Counsel showing evidence of the judge violating the code of judicial conduct or a criminal complaint with evidence of corruption. Instead, they made accusations of improper (and likely illegal) conduct by the judge without any evidence, otherwise known in common non-legalistic language as a smear, against the judge and the court he represents.
Rather than challenge the legal reasoning and citations of law contained in the judge's ruling, they chose to attack his moral character in their public statement following the decision. Why someone would want to defend that as a reasonable response by a major political party to a judicial decision escapes me. It was apparently considered unreasonable and indefensible by the Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court, despite the fact that it was made by the same party she has repeatedly represented in multiple elections to state office. A Chief Justice has both a right and responsibility to defend the reputation and integrity of the courts and its members from assaults made without evidence. Her statement did not criticize any legal arguments made as there were none in the attack on the judge.
The judge's 31-page decision for those that are interested. https://www.scribd.com/document/Judge-Richard-Frye-drop-box-opinion-Sept-15-2020 (https://www.scribd.com/document/476143933/Judge-Richard-Frye-drop-box-opinion-Sept-15-2020)
I wonder how you feel about how the Democrat party accused Brett Kavanaugh, a Federal Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit for 12 years, as a rapist? They tried to destroy his judicial career and personal life just for political reasons because they didn't like his judicial philosophy.
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They're saying that so they can make more money.
Scientists (and I have been one for my entire working career) are human beings. And like other human beings, we want to keep our jobs and funding, get raises, and so on. But money as a primary motivation is not the case for almost all of us. That's businessmen.
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Scientists (and I have been one for my entire working career) are human beings. And like other human beings, we want to keep our jobs and funding, get raises, and so on. But money as a primary motivation is not the case for almost all of us. That's businessmen.
I never said it was a primary motivation. I said keeping one's job, getting funding for research from the government etc., are important issues to scientists. They have to feed their families as much as anyone else.
Also arguing the businessman go into business because money is their primary concern is just as false for most. Being a boss, running things the way you want, making the final decision, creating things as you see fit not as others want, wanted to create things (Steve Jobs - Apple, Elon Musk-Tesla Space X) etc are all things that make people go into business for themselves. How about fame? Most business fail and loss money in any case.
Do employees want to get promoted because they want to take on more responsibility or because they want more money? Did you ever ask for a raise?
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Trump's fault.
Covid: UK seeing second wave, says Boris Johnson
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54212654
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Anyway, the real question that will consolidate or not the US as a dictatorship is the replacement of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Considering the clear intent of Trump to steal the elections whatever their actual outcome, there is no doubt that he is striving to replace her before the election to ensure he gets a positive vote when the time comes to assess whether he did cheat or not.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The assertion has been made that the some organization called the *"Democrat Party" has accused Brett Kavanaugh of being a rapist. If anyone can back up that assertion, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence that such a shocking accusation was made by a political party.
I'm aware that a woman accused Kavanaugh of a drunken sexual assault (forcibly groped her and tried to take off her clothes) while attending a party in high school, but she didn't accuse him of rape. She testified at his confirmation hearing and they were both questioned about the allegations by both parties. But, I'm not aware of any political party accusing him of either sexual assault or rape. Individual members may have commented on being disturbed by the allegations of assault or the witnesses testimony and believability, but nothing remotely resembling a party accusing him of rape.
* I'm aware, as we all are, of the Democratic Party and that's probably what was meant. For some reason, Republicans seem to be reluctant to use the words Democratic and Party together; even though it's the name of their primary opposition party. They routinely say "Democrat" Party, or Representative, or Senator, or Congressman despite the fact that they know the correct term is Democratic Party, or Democratic Senator, etc. Why they seem to fear the word Democratic, I have no idea.
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The assertion has been made that the some organization called the *"Democrat Party" has accused Brett Kavanaugh of being a rapist. If anyone can back up that assertion, I'd be interested in seeing the evidence that such a shocking accusation was made by a political party.
I'm aware that a woman accused Kavanaugh of a drunken sexual assault (forcibly groped her and tried to take off her clothes) while attending a party in high school, but she didn't accuse him of rape. She testified at his confirmation hearing and they were both questioned about the allegations by both parties. But, I'm not aware of any political party accusing him of either sexual assault or rape. Individual members may have commented on being disturbed by the allegations of assault or the witnesses testimony and believability, but nothing remotely resembling a party accusing him of rape.
* I'm aware, as we all are, of the Democratic Party and that's probably what was meant. For some reason, Republicans seem to be reluctant to use the words Democratic and Party together; even though it's the name of their primary opposition party. They routinely say "Democrat" Party, or Representative, or Senator, or Congressman despite the fact that they know the correct term is Democratic Party, or Democratic Senator, etc. Why they seem to fear the word Democratic, I have no idea.
Anyone who followed the debate knew what the Democrats were calling Justice Kavanaugh. They tried to destroy his nomination and terribly hurt his reputation. Any fair minded person would see that's what happened.
The Democrat Party is not called the Democratic Party. The first is the proper wording. Democratic is an adjective that would describe Party. That's not what Democrat Party means. Democrat is not an adjective but the Name of the Party just like Republican Party. You wouldn't call the latter the Republicanism Party. Same with the Democrats.
The reason Democrats want to use Democratic is to make it seem like they're democratic and their opposing party members, the republicans are not democratic. That's silly and just a political ploy.
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Anyone who followed the debate knew what the Democrats were calling Justice Kavanaugh. They tried to destroy his nomination and terribly hurt his reputation. Any fair minded person would see that's what happened.
The Democrat Party is not called the Democratic Party. The first is the proper wording. Democratic is an adjective that would describe Party. That's not what Democrat Party means. Democrat is not an adjective but the Name of the Party just like Republican Party. You wouldn't call the latter the Republicanism Party. Same with the Democrats.
The reason Democrats want to use Democratic is to make it seem like they're democratic and their opposing party members, the republicans are not democratic. That's silly and just a political ploy.
Of all the comments in this thread, this is one of the dumbest, which is really saying something -- no offense. The "Democratic Party" has been the official name of the party since 1844. This isn't a matter of grammar, it's a matter of brand names -- What you're saying is like saying "Cheerios" isn't the name of the cereal because "Cheerios" isn't a real word. "Democratic Party" is a brand name just like "Republican Party." It's not Republic Party, or Republicism Party, though it could be, if somebody wanted to use it as a new brand name. It's properly "Democratic Party." "Democrat Party" is simply illiterate. So, you know, get a friggin' life.
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The Democrat Party is not called the Democratic Party. The first is the proper wording. Democratic is an adjective that would describe Party. That's not what Democrat Party means. Democrat is not an adjective but the Name of the Party just like Republican Party. You wouldn't call the latter the Republicanism Party. Same with the Democrats.
Of all the comments in this thread, this is one of the dumbest, which is really saying something -- no offense. The "Democratic Party" has been the official name of the party since 1844. . . . "Democrat Party" is simply illiterate.
Well, without doubt it certainly was an idiotic statement, but can you substantiate your claim that it was "one of the dumbest" in this thread? That's an awfully high bar.
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This may shed some light on the issue:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)
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For those confused — and I don't know why anyone would be, but it appears that some are remarkably (or intentionally) confused — Democratic Party is defined as a proper noun as it is, both in fact and thru more than two centuries of usage, the name of a political party in the United States.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/democratic-party (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/democratic-party) https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/democratic_party (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/democratic_party)
The name extends back to Jefferson and Madison, when they founded the Democratic-Republican Party in opposition to the Federalist Party of Hamilton and Adams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic-Republican_Party)
After the contested election of 1824 between the two Democratic-Republican Party candidates John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson — which was decided in the house for Adams — the Democratic-Republican Party splintered into the Democratic Party and the National Republican Party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1824_United_States_presidential_election)
Democratic Party candidate Andrew Jackson subsequently defeated National Republican Party candidate John Quincy Adams in the 1828 election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1828_United_States_presidential_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1828_United_States_presidential_election)
Democratic (capitalized) is also the correct adjective to use with a noun when referring to an association with the Democratic Party, e.g. the Democratic candidate, Democratic convention, Democratic Senator, Democratic mayor, etc.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democratic (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democratic)
Now, if someone wants to incorrectly use the word Democrat where Democratic would be correct, they're free to do so. It just displays an ignorance of history and correct English language usage of the words.
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Since Democrat Party seems to upset a lot of people here who I disagree with, I will continue to use it. If it was good enough for Senator and Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, it's good enough for me.
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People find all kinds of interesting ways to make themselves happy.
* and as the old saying goes... Ignorance is Bliss
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Well, without doubt it certainly was an idiotic statement, but can you substantiate your claim that it was "one of the dumbest" in this thread? That's an awfully high bar.
You're right, I'm (probably) wrong.
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Why they seem to fear the word Democratic, I have no idea.
Maybe because they are not democratic? ::)
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Since Democrat Party seems to upset a lot of people here who I disagree with, I will continue to use it. If it was good enough for Senator and Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, it's good enough for me.
Here you go Alan,
What the vaunted NPR has to say...
https://www.npr.org/sections/publiceditor/2010/03/26/114585414/since-when-did-it-become-the-democrat-party
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Maybe because they are not democratic? ::)
The American system is not democratic. It's a republican form of government. Republican is representative except during rare instances when people vote for local issues like authorizing a bond. But almost all laws on the local, state, and federal level are through our representatives.
Democracy ("the people rule" - demos cratein) only enters the picture in our vote for our representatives. Even that is limited by electors in presidential elections. It use to be limited with Senators as well who were selected by each state's legislature, not by people voting directly for the senator. That's relatively recent about 100 years ago when the Constitution was changed. We're the Federal Republic of the United States of America. not a Federal Democracy.
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Here is some colorful rhetoric from Trump at a recent rally:
"He is the worst candidate. The dumbest of all candidates," Trump said of former Vice President Biden. "He is the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics."
Trump also expanded on his unproven claim that Biden is on drugs, stating, "they gave him a big fat shot in the ass… and for two hours, he is better than ever before. Problem is, what happens after that?""
""You can't have this guy as your president," Trump argued. "You can't have — maybe I'll sign an executive order, you cannot have him as your president.""
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/20/trump-threatens-to-issue-executive-order-preventing-biden-from-being-elected-president/#76793edd76f6
Make of it what you will.
Nine days to go before the first debate. Note than the debate is only 90 minutes long so that the "big fat shot in the ass" should serve Biden well. My own suggestion is that Biden trade a drug test for Trump's tax returns.
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The American system is not democratic. It's a republican form of government.
Republican is an antonym for monarchical. It just means we don't have a monarch. (Although for the moment, we seem to have a wannabe-monarch.)
The form of government in the United States could accurately be described as a representative democracy.
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Republican is an antonym for monarchical. It just means we don't have a monarch. (Although for the moment, we seem to have a wannabe-monarch.)
The form of government in the United States could accurately be described as a representative democracy.
Definition of republic
1a(1): a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
b(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law
(2): a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government
c: a usually specified republican government of a political unit
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic
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A federal republic is a federation of states with a republican form of government.[1] At its core, the literal meaning of the word republic when used to reference a form of government means: "a country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_republic
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You have to give Trump one thing. When he visited the area of west coast wildfires, he didn't throw buckets of water at people. So he must have learned his lesson from that Puerto Rico paper towel throwing thing. Who says the man isn't mellowing.
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You have to give Trump one thing. When he visited the area of west coast wildfires, he didn't throw buckets of water at people. So he must have learned his lesson from that Puerto Rico paper towel throwing thing. Who says the man isn't mellowing.
I figured out that most of his outrageous acts and statements were to keep his name in the news. That's how Trump sold his name commercially all these decades. But now before the election, he's changed his way of operating so people could see him as a reasonable man. He's still edgy but in a more balanced way.
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I figured out that most of his outrageous acts and statements were to keep his name in the news. That's how Trump sold his name commercially all these decades. But now before the election, he's changed his way of operating so people could see him as a reasonable man. He's still edgy but in a more balanced way.
I know you didn't mean that to be funny, but it was a howler nonetheless.
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I know you didn't mean that to be funny, but it was a howler nonetheless.
Especially when you read his comments this morning on Fox and Friends:
"President Trump questioned Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dying wish that her replacement on the Supreme Court be chosen by the next president, suggesting without evidence on Monday that Democrats had concocted a quote provided by Justice Ginsburg’s grieving family.
“I don’t know that she said that, or if that was written out by Adam Schiff, and Schumer and Pelosi,” Mr. Trump said during an interview on “Fox & Friends” early Monday, referring to three top Democrats, Representative Adam Schiff of California, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.
“That came out of the wind. It sounds so beautiful, but that sounds like a Schumer deal, or maybe Pelosi or Shifty Schiff,” added Mr. Trump, interrupting one of the show’s co-hosts, who had tried to interject that the quote had been verified by journalists."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/elections/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dying-wish.html
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Especially when you read his comments this morning on Fox and Friends:
"President Trump questioned Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dying wish that her replacement on the Supreme Court be chosen by the next president, suggesting without evidence on Monday that Democrats had concocted a quote provided by Justice Ginsburg’s grieving family.
“I don’t know that she said that, or if that was written out by Adam Schiff, and Schumer and Pelosi,” Mr. Trump said during an interview on “Fox & Friends” early Monday, referring to three top Democrats, Representative Adam Schiff of California, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York and Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.
“That came out of the wind. It sounds so beautiful, but that sounds like a Schumer deal, or maybe Pelosi or Shifty Schiff,” added Mr. Trump, interrupting one of the show’s co-hosts, who had tried to interject that the quote had been verified by journalists."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/elections/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dying-wish.html
Trump's feelings were exactly my initial feelings. That her statement was made not by her but was created for political reasons. Who says that on your deathbed? In any case, as a Supreme COurt justice who suppose to reflect Constitutional law, she knows better than most people that a current president nominates a justice if one retires or dies. The idea that a current president shouldn't make the nomination is out of constitutional norms.
Also, the whole putting her on display for a week lying in-state in the Supreme Court building. Jewish law requires burial within 24 hours after death or immediately after a holiday should the person die then. She died the day before the sabbath and the Jewish high holy days of New Year. So she should be buried today Monday. Your body is not suppose to be put on political display to influence the public and political shenanigans that are going on with both sides. That her family allowed this is a disgrace. It confirms to me that they just were underhanded enough to make up her supposed statement.
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Trump's feelings were exactly my initial feelings. That her statement was made not by her but was created for political reasons. Who says that on your deathbed? In any case, as a Supreme COurt justice who suppose to reflect Constitutional law, she knows better than most people that a current president nominates a justice if one retires or dies. The idea that a current president shouldn't make the nomination is out of constitutional norms.
Also, the whole putting her on display for a week lying in-state in the Supreme Court building. Jewish law requires burial within 24 hours after death or immediately after a holiday should the person die then. She died the day before the sabbath and the Jewish high holy days of New Year. So she should be buried today Monday. Your body is not suppose to be put on political display to influence the public and political shenanigans that are going on with both sides. That her family allowed this is a disgrace. It confirms to me that they just were underhanded enough to make up her supposed statement.
Before you get too high-handed about all this, is it the case that the family observed?
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If Joe Biden is elected as President — which at this point-in-time seems likely but uncertain — it will be interesting to see if there are changes in the relationship between the President and Congress, particularly with respect to the opposing party. In the past 20 years, we have had three Presidents who have had relatively little history of personal or political relationships inside Congress prior to election as President.
We've had a Governor from Texas from a political family. His prior connections were mostly indirect having never served in Congress.
Then we had a half-term Senator that served for three years before becoming President. He developed some relationships, but served only a relatively short time.
Those two terms were followed by a narcissistic reality-TV-host with a real estate development/branding business. His style has been to mock and belittle anyone who disagrees and threaten members of his own party with primary challenges from his base.
Biden, on the other hand, built long-term relationships and friendships with members of both parties over 36-years in the Senate and 8-years as Vice-President. He was well liked across both aisles due to both his personality and negotiating style. He consciously avoided making political differences personal and focused negotiations on issues and areas of common agreement. As Vice-President, he was assigned an important role with Congress because of his relationships and abilities as a negotiator there.
His deep and decades long friendship with John McCain is well known. But he also formed friendships with many other Republicans, among them are Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham. Since Trump's election and the resulting change in tone, rhetoric, and deepened national political divide and becoming a political target as a presidential candidate, the political smoke may have obscured some of those relationships. But beneath the political surface, those relationships may still survive even if weakened by the heat of a campaign.
https://www.post-gazette.com/2016/06/08/Allegheny-College-awards-civility-prize-to-Joe-Biden-and-John-McCain (https://www.post-gazette.com/news/education/2016/06/08/Allegheny-College-awards-civility-prize-to-Joe-Biden-and-John-McCain/stories/201606080111)
Here is a short 2016 video clip of McConnell discussing the difference between negotiating with Obama and Biden. It's just a little over a minute in length.
https://www.youtube.com/Sen. Mitch McConnell talks negotiating with Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGyURNG-fo4)
This is a longer 2016 video of Mitch McConnell in the Senate discussing his relationship with Biden. It's just a little over seven minutes in length.
https://www.youtube.com/Majority Leader McConnell Pays Tribute to Vice President Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DwViUnkwMQ)
And this what Lindsey Graham had to say about Joe Biden's character in 2015. One-minute and 33-seconds long.
https://www.youtube.com/Lindsey Graham Chokes Up Talking About Joe Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHg)
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Trump's feelings were exactly my initial feelings. That her statement was made not by her but was created for political reasons. Who says that on your deathbed? In any case, as a Supreme COurt justice who suppose to reflect Constitutional law, she knows better than most people that a current president nominates a justice if one retires or dies. The idea that a current president shouldn't make the nomination is out of constitutional norms.
And when Merrick Garland was denied confirmation hearings, where were you? Quiet as a mouse I bet.
Also, the whole putting her on display for a week lying in-state in the Supreme Court building. Jewish law requires burial within 24 hours after death or immediately after a holiday should the person die then. She died the day before the sabbath and the Jewish high holy days of New Year. So she should be buried today Monday. Your body is not suppose to be put on political display to influence the public and political shenanigans that are going on with both sides. That her family allowed this is a disgrace. It confirms to me that they just were underhanded enough to make up her supposed statement.
Jewish law DOES NOT require burial within 24 hours. It's preferred but there are exceptions for certain situations, such as allowing time for mourners to gather--just the situation here. And anyway RBG was not an observant Jew, so why should the traditional laws be followed? Your comments are nasty and petty.
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Jewish law DOES NOT require burial within 24 hours. It's preferred but there are exceptions for certain situations, such as allowing time for mourners to gather--just the situation here. And anyway RBG was not an observant Jew, so why should the traditional laws be followed? Your comments are nasty and petty.
Mourners aren't gathering. They're putting the body on display for political reasons to influence an election and justice selection process. That's wrong. You bury the body. Even non-observant Jews follow this. There's plenty of time for memorial services afterwards to celebrate a person's life and make speeches. You don't need the body for that.
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Mourners aren't gathering. They're putting the body on display for political reasons to influence an election and justice selection process. That's wrong. You bury the body. Even non-observant Jews follow this. There's plenty of time for memorial services afterwards to celebrate a person's life and make speeches. You don't need the body for that.
The funeral of Chaim Weizmann, first president of Israel:
"The funeral has been held over until Tuesday afternoon, to permit Dr. Weizmann’s son who is now in Britain to attend. Members of the President’s family are assembling at Rehovoth from all parts of Israel. The President will lie in state today and tomorrow. Thousands of persons began filing silently past his open, flag draped coffin this evening. Special trains brought thousands from Tel Aviv and Haifa to pay their last respects..."
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The funeral of Chaim Weizmann, first president of Israel:
"The funeral has been held over until Tuesday afternoon, to permit Dr. Weizmann’s son who is now in Britain to attend. Members of the President’s family are assembling at Rehovoth from all parts of Israel. The President will lie in state today and tomorrow. Thousands of persons began filing silently past his open, flag draped coffin this evening. Special trains brought thousands from Tel Aviv and Haifa to pay their last respects..."
Ginsberg is about politics. It started while her body was still warm.
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Ginsberg is about politics. It started while her body was still warm.
Like 98.7 degrees warm. Rightwing ghouls have actively planning/hoping for her death for awhile, as evidenced by Trump floating his newest "choices" for the position weeks ago.
Seriously though, you need to stop with this line of conversation. Your double standards are insane here, even for you.
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Ginsberg is about politics. It started while her body was still warm.
And why am I not surprised by the fact that Trump started these rumors about RBG's statement? And some saps actually believe this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/technology/trump-jump-starts-misinformation-on-ginsburgs-dying-wish.html
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Attacking a grieving family with allegations lacking any evidence whatsoever is disgusting. It's an extra level of disgust when done by a President on national television.
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I know you didn't mean that to be funny, but it was a howler nonetheless.
It was in fact, a coffee-spitter.
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Mourners aren't gathering. They're putting the body on display for political reasons to influence an election and justice selection process. That's wrong. You bury the body. Even non-observant Jews follow this. There's plenty of time for memorial services afterwards to celebrate a person's life and make speeches. You don't need the body for that.
Funeral of David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel:
Today, Ben Gurion lay in state in the outer hall of the Knesset building in Jerusalem. By nightfall despite rain and wintry temperatures. over 100.000 persons had filed past the bier to pay their final respects to the founder of the Jewish State. For two hours before the public was admitted, Ben Gurion’s son and two daughters and other relatives and close associates of the former Premier spent time alone at the coffin. Then the doors were opened and the vast procession of tribute began, led by Premier Golda Meir and her Cabinet, the Knesset Speaker and justices of the Supreme Court.
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Profiles In Courage - Putin Protector Edition
Alexei Navalny is a leader of the opposition to Putin inside Russia. On August 20, 2020 he fell ill on a flight from Siberia and was rushed to a hospital with suspected poisoning.
He went into a coma and a German-based charity persuaded Russian officials to allow him to be airlifted to Berlin for treatment. September 2nd, the German government revealed that tests carried out by the military found "unequivocal proof of a chemical nerve warfare agent of the Novichok group". Novichok was developed by the Russian military and has been used in assassinations and attempted assassinations before.
Angela Merkel held a press conference the same day demanding answers from the Kremlin. “It’s clear that Alexey Navalny is the victim of a crime. The intent was to silence him.”
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2020-09-18/alexey-navalny-s-sloppy-poisoning-turned-angela-merkel-against-vladimir-putin (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6HYeWrxLuowJ:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-18/alexey-navalny-s-sloppy-poisoning-turned-angela-merkel-against-vladimir-putin)
Today, Trump was asked by a reporter "Who do you think poisoned Alexei Navalny in Russia?"
Trump: "Uhhhhh, we'll talk about that at another time."
Video Clip: https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/Trump - Alexei Navalny Response (https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1308144625572605958)
No surprise. https://www.bbc.com/news/Alexei Navalny: Trump refuses to condemn Russia over poisoning (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54039710)
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Trump's feelings were exactly my initial feelings. That her statement was made not by her but was created for political reasons. Who says that on your deathbed? In any case, as a Supreme COurt justice who suppose to reflect Constitutional law, she knows better than most people that a current president nominates a justice if one retires or dies. The idea that a current president shouldn't make the nomination is out of constitutional norms.
Also, the whole putting her on display for a week lying in-state in the Supreme Court building. Jewish law requires burial within 24 hours after death or immediately after a holiday should the person die then. She died the day before the sabbath and the Jewish high holy days of New Year. So she should be buried today Monday. Your body is not suppose to be put on political display to influence the public and political shenanigans that are going on with both sides. That her family allowed this is a disgrace. It confirms to me that they just were underhanded enough to make up her supposed statement.
What is it exactly about modern day America that propels you to voice such repulsive inhuman opinions? Why do you think you need an authoritarian strong man whose ass you need to kiss? Forget Covid for the moment. Your taxes aren't historically high and haven't been in a while. Despite your silly protestations environmental protections were not onerous to corporations or your way of life. Gasoline was cheap, food was cheap, people more or less got to do what they wanted. So some liberals on the coasts espoused views you don't like. So what. You espouse views they don't like. You don't own the place and neither do they. You write as if you're on the brink of some societal collapse, which isn't even remotely true. Where is this foam-at-the-mouth extremism coming from? What is the BIG problem that needs to be fixed?
I can tell you one thing though. The endless internal violence and gross mis-handling of Covid may have one unintended consequence. It might alleviate those immigration pressures you're so worried about (especially from less "white" countries) because people may not be so keen on moving to the US as they used to be, moreso as economies in the rest of the world continue to improve, which for some reason you've decided you don't want to participate in. Also on the brighter side, there haven't been any school mass shootings lately so we've been spared lectures about how guns in schools will keep kids safe, so that's good.
Seriously, your strident rantings are silly. Get yourself out of the Info Wars bubble and take a walk in the real world for a couple of weeks. It will do you good. It's not the end of the world out there.
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What is it exactly about modern day America that propels you to voice such repulsive inhuman opinions? Why do you think you need an authoritarian strong man whose ass you need to kiss? Forget Covid for the moment. Your taxes aren't historically high and haven't been in a while. Despite your silly protestations environmental protections were not onerous to corporations or your way of life. Gasoline was cheap, food was cheap, people more or less got to do what they wanted. So some liberals on the coasts espoused views you don't like. So what. You espouse views they don't like. You don't own the place and neither do they. You write as if you're on the brink of some societal collapse, which isn't even remotely true. Where is this foam-at-the-mouth extremism coming from? What is the BIG problem that needs to be fixed?
I can tell you one thing though. The endless internal violence and gross mis-handling of Covid may have one unintended consequence. It might alleviate those immigration pressures you're so worried about (especially from less "white" countries) because people may not be so keen on moving to the US as they used to be, moreso as economies in the rest of the world continue to improve, which for some reason you've decided you don't want to participate in. Also on the brighter side, there haven't been any school mass shootings lately so we've been spared lectures about how guns in schools will keep kids safe, so that's good.
Seriously, your strident rantings are silly. Get yourself out of the Info Wars bubble and take a walk in the real world for a couple of weeks. It will do you good. It's not the end of the world out there.
Why are you asking me those questions? The rioting, looting, and burning have come from the left and Democrats, not Trump supporters.
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Days before her death on Friday, Justice Ginsburg, 87, dictated a statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera, saying, “my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.”
Trying to be as objective as possible, which is not too difficult because I'm not American ;) , I can understand why Trump is questioning whether Justice Ginsburg actually said what she is claimed to have said a few days before passing away. Perhaps she said something similar or something that implied she would prefer her replacement to be chosen by a new president, because she obviously didn't like Trump.
What is meant by 'dictated'? Was Clara Spera at a typewriter, recording what her grandmother's final political wishes were, word for word?
Since both grandmother and granddaughter are well-versed in legal matters, shouldn't such a significant and fervent wish, with obvious political consequences, have been recorded on the iPhone, so there could be no doubt that that was what Justice Ginsburg actual said, days before her death?
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For my American friends, what do you intend to do personally if the following happens:
0. Trump violates historical precedents (created by Republicans when they prevented Obama from replacing a supreme court judge 8 months before the end of his mandate) and the spirit of the constitution by nominating a Trump controlled supreme court judge
1. Trump tries everything he can to trick the elections (we have proof he is busy trying to do this it at least in Florida, his attempts to prevent mail voting is well documented,...)
2. Still, he looses the elections on both popular vote and grand elector vote
3. He refuses to acknowledge the results, the thing goes to the supreme court and he steals the election thanks to the newly appointed supreme court judge
Unthinkable in American history, but unfortunately quite plausible.
So I am wondering what each of you plan on doing if such a terrible scenario were to unfold?
Regards,
Bernard
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My reply as a non-American friend is that judges are required to be impartial and make decisions based upon the evidence. If large numbers of Americans were not to accept the majority decision of the Supreme Court and start violent protests, like some of the 'Black Lives Matter' protests, then America will become even more chaotic and will continue on its downward slope.
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For my American friends, what do you intend to do personally if the following happens. . . .
Frankly, this is as bizarre a scenario as the ones being spread by the right-wing conspiracy theorists who support Trump (perhaps with a little push from operatives working on behalf of Russian intelligence services).
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Why are you asking me those questions? The rioting, looting, and burning have come from the left and Democrats, not Trump supporters.
You want to go off on a tangent? Ok.
You have stated many times on these forums that one of the reasons for the 2nd amendment is so citizens can protect themselves from arbitrary governments. You regard this as an important part of civic freedom. But it seems to bother you when some citizens take actions against unfair authority, unfair as perceived by them anyway. Let me ask you, did you really think that people would only take up arms to defend themselves against government power in ways that you agreed with? Because that's pretty unrealistic.
In the case of civil insurrection in the US, doesn't it worry you that it keeps happening decade after decade? What might the reason be, do you think?
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For my American friends, what do you intend to do personally if the following happens:
0. Trump violates historical precedents (created by Republicans when they prevented Obama from replacing a supreme court judge 8 months before the end of his mandate) and the spirit of the constitution by nominating a Trump controlled supreme court judge
1. Trump tries everything he can to trick the elections (we have proof he is busy trying to do this it at least in Florida, his attempts to prevent mail voting is well documented,...)
2. Still, he looses the elections on both popular vote and grand elector vote
3. He refuses to acknowledge the results, the thing goes to the supreme court and he steals the election thanks to the newly appointed supreme court judge
Unthinkable in American history, but unfortunately quite plausible.
So I am wondering what each of you plan on doing if such a terrible scenario were to unfold?
Regards,
Bernard
I don't know but the idea terrifies me. I'm hoping what is left of the fairly well-designed system to prevent this kind of thing will work. Or at least work enough. But it's pretty clear what the game plan is here.
If I was one of those gun toting 2nd amendment enthusiasts of course I'd be saying how we are going to "rise up" and all that but I'm not one of those people. I truly believe violence is (almost) never the answer.
Very troubling times. I'm hopeful enough republicans realize and actually care about the hypocrisy here to do the right thing but I don't have much faith in that idea. Ugh.
I only became a citizen recently so that oath to uphold the constitution (that natural born citizens do not have to take by the way) is still pretty fresh in my mind. I'm going to continue to do whatever I can to keep that oath and help regain the integrity of our government that the founding fathers envisioned.
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Trying to be as objective as possible, which is not too difficult because I'm not American ;) , I can understand why Trump is questioning whether Justice Ginsburg actually said what she is claimed to have said a few days before passing away. Perhaps she said something similar or something that implied she would prefer her replacement to be chosen by a new president, because she obviously didn't like Trump.
What is meant by 'dictated'? Was Clara Spera at a typewriter, recording what her grandmother's final political wishes were, word for word?
Since both grandmother and granddaughter are well-versed in legal matters, shouldn't such a significant and fervent wish, with obvious political consequences, have been recorded on the iPhone, so there could be no doubt that that was what Justice Ginsburg actual said, days before her death?
The Bold is pretty much what I feel. She's didn't want Trump to replace her. That's why she hung on during his term, after Hillary who she thought was going to win, wound up losing. So her children said she was fervent in wanting another president to nominate her replacement. Her family embellished that to make it seem like she said it on her deathbed.
Regardless of what she said or when she said it, supreme court seats don't belong to anyone to pass on. The constitution gives the power of a sitting president to nominate replacements and the Senate to advise and consent. Of all people, she new that's how the constitution works. She would be aghast that the system would accommodate her personal wishes over the Constitution. Why would Americans continue to respect the very document we rule ourselves with if we ran our government by personal preferences rather than law?
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For my American friends, what do you intend to do personally if the following happens:
0. Trump violates historical precedents (created by Republicans when they prevented Obama from replacing a supreme court judge 8 months before the end of his mandate) and the spirit of the constitution by nominating a Trump controlled supreme court judge
1. Trump tries everything he can to trick the elections (we have proof he is busy trying to do this it at least in Florida, his attempts to prevent mail voting is well documented,...)
2. Still, he looses the elections on both popular vote and grand elector vote
3. He refuses to acknowledge the results, the thing goes to the supreme court and he steals the election thanks to the newly appointed supreme court judge
Unthinkable in American history, but unfortunately quite plausible.
So I am wondering what each of you plan on doing if such a terrible scenario were to unfold?
Regards,
Bernard
Trump has never violated a court decision during his four years as president. He's acted just like any president before him. You've been watching too many American movies. You really need to get a grip on things.
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Trump has never violated a court decision during his four years as president. He's acted just like any president before him. You've been watching too many American movies. You really need to get a grip on things.
Bernard did not say that Trump "violated a court decision". Quit making stuff up.
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You want to go off on a tangent? Ok.
You have stated many times on these forums that one of the reasons for the 2nd amendment is so citizens can protect themselves from arbitrary governments. You regard this as an important part of civic freedom. But it seems to bother you when some citizens take actions against unfair authority, unfair as perceived by them anyway. Let me ask you, did you really think that people would only take up arms to defend themselves against government power in ways that you agreed with? Because that's pretty unrealistic.
In the case of civil insurrection in the US, doesn't it worry you that it keeps happening decade after decade? What might the reason be, do you think?
I never said that if you take up arms against the government, you should get a free pass. You must be ready to suffer the consequences including getting hung if you lose. The 2nd amendment is there so people have the means to take up arms against the government as a last resort. It doesn't say that the government and the rest of the people who disagree with you cannot protect themselves and fight back. After all, the 2nd Amendment is for all the people.
Of course our Civil War was a dramatic and momentous instance of this other than our War of Independence from England. But that was before we became a country. I would consider our CIvil War an insurrection. Beside that, there have been individuals or groups who have from time to time played at insurrection. But they were extreme minorities that didn't have the support of the general population. They lost, went to jail or were killed, or disappeared after the novelty wore off. Violent protests fall in that latter category.
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I never said that if you take up arms against the government, you should get a free pass.
Robert didn't say that you said that if you take up arms against the government you should get a free pass. Quit making stuff up.
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I don't know but the idea terrifies me. I'm hoping what is left of the fairly well-designed system to prevent this kind of thing will work. Or at least work enough. But it's pretty clear what the game plan is here.
If I was one of those gun toting 2nd amendment enthusiasts of course I'd be saying how we are going to "rise up" and all that but I'm not one of those people. I truly believe violence is (almost) never the answer.
Very troubling times. I'm hopeful enough republicans realize and actually care about the hypocrisy here to do the right thing but I don't have much faith in that idea. Ugh.
I only became a citizen recently so that oath to uphold the constitution (that natural born citizens do not have to take by the way) is still pretty fresh in my mind. I'm going to continue to do whatever I can to keep that oath and help regain the integrity of our government that the founding fathers envisioned.
Congratulations and welcome aboard. America is lucky to have someone like you.
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Bernard did not say that Trump "violated a court decision". Quit making stuff up.
I never said Bernard said he did. I was pointing out that because Trump never violated a court decision in four years, arguing that he would as Bernard suggested, is Hollywood make-believe.
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This should settle the court issue for the Democrats.
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Robert didn't say that you said that if you take up arms against the government you should get a free pass. Quit making stuff up.
I think CNN has gotten to you. You sound like them more and more.
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I think CNN has gotten to you. You sound like them more and more.
I don't watch CNN. I am just tired of you making stuff up. It has become your favorite method of trolling. It ruins the discussion for everyone else.
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I don't watch CNN. I am just tired of you making stuff up. It has become your favorite method of trolling. It ruins the discussion for everyone else.
Stop making stuff up. I debate, not troll.
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Stop making stuff up. I debate, not troll.
No, you troll.
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This is getting interesting. The Dems are going to freak out.
Romney backs vote on Supreme Court nominee, clearing way for Trump
The announcement means Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has enough votes to move forward with Trump's pick.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/22/romney-supports-holding-a-vote-on-next-supreme-court-nominee-419898
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Frankly, this is as bizarre a scenario as the ones being spread by the right-wing conspiracy theorists who support Trump (perhaps with a little push from operatives working on behalf of Russian intelligence services).
What is bizarre about it?
In the sense, which of these points to you think could definitely not happen based on the facts we have in hand today and 4 years of Trump behavior and declarations?
For what it's worth, in yesterday's edition of the leading French journal "le Monde", 2 editorial articles were hinting at the possibility of the very scenario I described in my post.
Regards,
Bernard
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What is bizarre about it?
In the sense, which of these points to you think could definitely not happen based on the facts we have in hand today and 4 years of Trump behavior and declarations?
For what it's worth, in yesterday's edition of the leading French journal "le Monde", 2 editorial articles were hinting at the possibility of the very scenario I described in my post.
Regards,
Bernard
Apparently some Frenchmen suffer from TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome as well. It's spreading internationally like the virus.
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Apparently some Frenchmen suffer from TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome as well. It's spreading internationally like the virus.
Internationally, it was spread out a long time ago. It started after Trump ignored Merkel's handshake and when he tried to squeeze Macron's hand.
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Apparently some Frenchmen suffer from TDS Trump Derangement Syndrome as well. It's spreading internationally like the virus.
Right... how about a more elaborate answer point by point?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Internationally, it was spread out a long time ago. It started after Trump ignored Merkel's handshake and when he tried to squeeze Macron's hand.
Whose hand would you rather squeeze? :-*
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From the other side of the Atlantic, two things strike me right now: The Republican double standard over the nomination for the Supreme Court and Trump's comments about electoral fraud if he loses.
Firstly, to tell Obama he couldn't nominate several months before the election, but four years on insist Trump can, is breathtakingly dishonest. Republicans should be ashamed to go down this road.
Secondly, Trumps' claim of forthcoming voter fraud, sans evidence, whilst simultaneously allowing Republican states to attempt to gerrymander the election through voter suppression, is an attempt to undermine democracy itself. I seriously fear for my friends in the US, of whatever political persuasion. I foresee violence ahead. Keep safe, folks.
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From the other side of the Atlantic, two things strike me right now: The Republican double standard over the nomination for the Supreme Court and Trump's comments about electoral fraud if he loses.
Firstly, to tell Obama he couldn't nominate several months before the election, but four years on insist Trump can, is breathtakingly dishonest. Republicans should be ashamed to go down this road.
Secondly, Trumps' claim of forthcoming voter fraud, sans evidence, whilst simultaneously allowing Republican states to attempt to gerrymander the election through voter suppression, is an attempt to undermine democracy itself. I seriously fear for my friends in the US, of whatever political persuasion. I foresee violence ahead. Keep safe, folks.
I'm shocked, simply shocked, that politics has overruled promises and created double standards.
However, while it's true that the Republicans reversed themselves, so did the Democrats. After all, they argued when Obama nominated Merrick Garland in Obama's last year, that supreme court justices should be appointed in the year before elections. Biden's even argued that point years ago and then as well. So both sides want it both ways. That's politics. In any case, the constitution requires the president to nominate replacements and the senate to advise and consent. I'm sure the Democrats would do exactly what the Republicans are doing if the situation was reversed.
Regarding voter fraud, there was fraud just a few miles from my house in New Jersey a few months ago. 19% of the votes in a local election were fraudulent and thrown out. Candidates and others were arrested for violating election laws. They were in effect stuffing the ballot boxes with phony votes sent through the mail, the very thing Trump is concerned about. Sending unsolicited ballots to everyone on polling lists, including the dead and voters who moved and can no longer vote in their old election districts where they moved from, means that many more ballots than voters will be sent out. This opens the whole process to fraud, double voting, etc..
Regarding violence, 98% of the burning and looting has come from the left and Democrats.
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From the other side of the Atlantic, two things strike me right now: The Republican double standard over the nomination for the Supreme Court and Trump's comments about electoral fraud if he loses.
Firstly, to tell Obama he couldn't nominate several months before the election, but four years on insist Trump can, is breathtakingly dishonest. Republicans should be ashamed to go down this road.
Secondly, Trumps' claim of forthcoming voter fraud, sans evidence, whilst simultaneously allowing Republican states to attempt to gerrymander the election through voter suppression, is an attempt to undermine democracy itself. I seriously fear for my friends in the US, of whatever political persuasion. I foresee violence ahead. Keep safe, folks.
The Republicans are breathtakingly hypocritical, but this derives from positions that both parties have taken. Eventually, I believe it will destroy the Republican Party, which is currently hanging on by its fingernails. About the Democrats, I don't know what to think. Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi, both, in their own ways, characterize the idea that the important thing is not an America where we're trying to live up to an ideal, but the important thing is simply raw power to exercise however they think they'd like to do that. There was nothing illegal about the way that McConnell refused to have hearings on Obama's Supreme County nomination, it was simply an exercise of power that was morally, but not legally corrupt. Nor is there anything illegal about the idea of replacing Ginsburg before the election, as hypocritical as it may be, considering the Republicans previous position. Again, it's simply a display of power. However, Republican power perches on a dwindling base, and when it falls, it's unlikely to ever recover -- a new party may have to be invented to represent conservative thought in America, since in its various evolutions, the Republican Party has actually become a populist party, rather than a conservative party, and there are severe difference between those positions.
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Regarding violence, 98% of the burning and looting has come from the left and Democrats.
Really?
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Really?
Regarding violence, 98% of the burning and looting has come from the left and Democrats.
Please quit making stuff up. We need proof, please Alan. Otherwise it's just BS. Anyone can say anything they like on the Internet.
Without substantiation, verification, it's at best meaningless noise. At worst, it's destabilizing and destructive of security for everyone.
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Please quit making stuff up. We need proof, please Alan. Otherwise it's just BS. Anyone can say anything they like on the Internet.
Without substantiation, verification, it's at best meaningless noise. At worst, it's destabilizing and destructive of security for everyone.
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Yes. 98% of the violence comes from the left. You really need to expand the cable stations you're watching. Who do you think have been looting and burning down stores and property?
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The Republicans are breathtakingly hypocritical, but this derives from positions that both parties have taken. Eventually, I believe it will destroy the Republican Party, which is currently hanging on by its fingernails. About the Democrats, I don't know what to think. Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi, both, in their own ways, characterize the idea that the important thing is not an America where we're trying to live up to an ideal, but the important thing is simply raw power to exercise however they think they'd like to do that. There was nothing illegal about the way that McConnell refused to have hearings on Obama's Supreme County nomination, it was simply an exercise of power that was morally, but not legally corrupt. Nor is there anything illegal about the idea of replacing Ginsburg before the election, as hypocritical as it may be, considering the Republicans previous position. Again, it's simply a display of power. However, Republican power perches on a dwindling base, and when it falls, it's unlikely to ever recover -- a new party may have to be invented to represent conservative thought in America, since in its various evolutions, the Republican Party has actually become a populist party, rather than a conservative party, and there are severe difference between those positions.
I think the parties are changing. But I'm no longer sure it's changing the way you assume. The Democrats seem to be moving to be the party of socialism, wealth distribution, and the left. The Republicans seem to be softening their positions and starting to seem like the old Democrats. It may turn out that the majority of people, who are basically middle of the roaders, could move into the Republican camp, leaving a minority of people on the left and some non-whites with the Democrats.
Time will tell.
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The Democrats seem to be moving to be the party of socialism, wealth distribution, and the left.
This is an example of how skewed rightwards US politics is. It's very similar here in the UK. Anything left of Ghengis Khan is full-bloodied Stalinism with gulags, salt mines and tractor-factories.
Seriously, your Democrats are not much different from our (pre-Brexit) Conservatives or German Christian Democrats. That's our right-wing. Our left-wing is definitely not socialist.
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The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) is a think tank based in Washington, D.C., in the United States. CSIS was founded as the "Center for Strategic and International Studies" of Georgetown University in 1962. The center conducts policy studies and strategic analyses of political, economic and security issues throughout the world, with a specific focus on issues concerning international relations, trade, technology, finance, energy and geostrategy.
In the University of Pennsylvania's 2019 Global Go To Think Tanks Report, CSIS is ranked the number one think tank in the United States across all fields, the "Top Defense and National Security Think Tank" in the world, and the 4th best think tank in the world overall. CSIS has been named the number one think tank for Defense and National Security for the past seven years, and has been declared the 'Center of Excellence'.
Since its founding, CSIS "has been dedicated to finding ways to sustain American prominence and prosperity as a force for good in the world", according to its website. CSIS is officially a bipartisan think tank with scholars that represent varying points of view across the political spectrum. The think tank is known for inviting well-known foreign policy and public service officials from the U.S. Congress and the executive branch, including those affiliated with either the Democratic or the Republican Party as well as foreign officials of varying political backgrounds. It has been labeled a "centrist" think tank by U.S. News & World Report.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Strategic_and_International_Studies)
CSIS Report - June 17, 2020 The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
"First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. "
"Between 1994 and 2020, there were 893 terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. Overall, right-wing terrorists perpetrated the majority—57 percent—of all attacks and plots during this period, compared to 25 percent committed by left-wing terrorists, 15 percent by religious terrorists, 3 percent by ethnonationalists, and 0.7 percent by terrorists with other motives."
"This rise in right-wing activity is of national concern; it is not isolated to one region and affects cities of varying sizes."
"The right-wing terrorist threat also includes anti-government extremists, including militias and the sovereign citizen movement. Most militia extremists view the U.S. government as corrupt and a threat to freedom and rights. Other far-right anti-government groups mobilized to protect a perceived threat to individual gun ownership rights. Modern militias are organized as paramilitaries that conduct weapons training and other field exercises."
"Anti-government extremists, which sometimes blend with white supremacist movements, have used the slang word “boogaloo” as a shorthand for a coming civil war. Several popular Facebook groups and Instagram pages, such as Thicc Boog Line, P A T R I O T Wave, and Boogaloo Nation, have emerged spreading the boogaloo conspiracy. Police in Texas arrested 36-year-old Aaron Swenson in April after he attempted to livestream his search for a police officer that he could ambush and execute. Prior to his arrest, Swenson had shared memes extensively from boogaloo pages."
"Our data suggest that right-wing extremists pose the most significant terrorism threat to the United States, based on annual terrorist events and fatalities. Over the next year, the threat of terrorism in the United States will likely increase based on several factors, such as the November 2020 presidential election and the response to the Covid-19 crisis. These factors are not the cause of terrorism, but they are events and developments likely to fuel anger and be co-opted by a small minority of extremists as a pretext for violence."
"All parts of U.S. society have an important role to play in countering terrorism. Politicians need to encourage greater civility and refrain from incendiary language. Social media companies need to continue sustained efforts to fight hatred and terrorism on their platforms. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and other companies are already doing this. But the struggle will only get more difficult as the United States approaches the November 2020 presidential election—and even in its aftermath. Finally, the U.S. population needs to be more alert to disinformation, double-check their sources of information, and curb incendiary language."
"Terrorism feeds off lies, conspiracies, disinformation, and hatred. Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi urged individuals to practice what he called “satyagraha,” or truth force. “Satyagraha is a weapon of the strong; it admits of no violence under any circumstance whatever; and it always insists upon truth,” he explained. That advice is just as important as it has ever been in the United States."
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states (https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states)
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This is an example of how skewed rightwards US politics is. It's very similar here in the UK. Anything left of Ghengis Khan is full-bloodied Stalinism with gulags, salt mines and tractor-factories.
Seriously, your Democrats are not much different from our (pre-Brexit) Conservatives or German Christian Democrats. That's our right-wing. Our left-wing is definitely not socialist.
I have no knowledge of your British parties. However, American politics are skewing more towards the left and Democrats currently causing many who object to those policies to react by moving to the right. Because we only have two main parties, Americans are forced to join one or the other. This makes for rather strange bedfellows in each party. At least in the UK, you could branch out to one of the minor parties that better represents your views. But our electoral system forces us to keep a two-party system in the main. So each party may do things that you both like and object too.
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Secondly, Trumps' claim of forthcoming voter fraud, sans evidence, whilst simultaneously allowing Republican states to attempt to gerrymander the election through voter suppression, is an attempt to undermine democracy itself. I seriously fear for my friends in the US, of whatever political persuasion. I foresee violence ahead. Keep safe, folks.
You may be mis-representing the Trump position on voter fraud. It will only be fraudulent if Trump loses. If he wins, the election process will be fine.
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The Democrats seem to be moving to be the party of socialism, wealth distribution, and the left. The Republicans seem to be softening their positions and starting to seem like the old Democrats.
You need to get off caffeine.
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Yes. 98% of the violence comes from the left. You really need to expand the cable stations you're watching. Who do you think have been looting and burning down stores and property?
Just because you can keep saying something doesn't mean that it magically becomes true, Alan.
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I never said Bernard said he did. I was pointing out that because Trump never violated a court decision in four years, arguing that he would as Bernard suggested, is Hollywood make-believe.
The whole idea of the scenario I propose is that by positioning an unconditional supporter Repiblican judge at the supreme court Trump wouldn’t have to violate any court decision to, in appearance, legally steal the elections.
But you know it and carefully avoided to answer the point.
Nothing surprising coming from your long posting history.
Regards,
Bernard
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Cindy McCain, Widow Of Onetime GOP Nominee, Endorses Biden For President
"Cindy McCain, the widow of Sen. John McCain, is the latest prominent conservative to urge Republicans to cross party lines and support Joe Biden for president."
"There's only one candidate in this race who stands up for our values as a nation, and that is Joe Biden," she tweeted Tuesday evening.
McCain added: "Joe and I don't always agree on the issues, and I know he and John certainly had some passionate arguments, but he is a good and honest man. He will lead us with dignity. He will be a commander in chief that the finest fighting force in the history of the world can depend on, because he knows what it is like to send a child off to fight."
"This isn't about Republican versus Democrat in my mind. It transcends that. It transcends everything that has occurred. And certainly 2020 is the most unusual year we can name to date. So we need someone that can take the helm in a time of crisis, which is where we're at right now, and someone that not only supports our troops but believes in the good of America and not the ill of America."
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/cindy-mccain-widow-of-onetime-gop-nominee-endorses-biden-for-president (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/915957358/cindy-mccain-widow-of-onetime-gop-nominee-endorses-biden-for-president)
Cindy McCain is the latest in a long line of prominent Republicans that have endorsed Joe Biden. That list includes, among others: Colin Powell, John Kasich, Carly Fiorina, Jeff Flake, and George Will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_2020_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_2020_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign)
In one of the many interviews with Cindy McCain today, she spoke about Joe Biden's great empathy. It's something that many have commented on and which all of the McCains have experienced first hand over decades of friendship.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden Speaks With Meghan McCain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sa8G-VR13Q)
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Cindy McCain, Widow Of Onetime GOP Nominee, Endorses Biden For President
"Cindy McCain, the widow of Sen. John McCain, is the latest prominent conservative to urge Republicans to cross party lines and support Joe Biden for president."
"There's only one candidate in this race who stands up for our values as a nation, and that is Joe Biden," she tweeted Tuesday evening.
McCain added: "Joe and I don't always agree on the issues, and I know he and John certainly had some passionate arguments, but he is a good and honest man. He will lead us with dignity. He will be a commander in chief that the finest fighting force in the history of the world can depend on, because he knows what it is like to send a child off to fight."
"This isn't about Republican versus Democrat in my mind. It transcends that. It transcends everything that has occurred. And certainly 2020 is the most unusual year we can name to date. So we need someone that can take the helm in a time of crisis, which is where we're at right now, and someone that not only supports our troops but believes in the good of America and not the ill of America."
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/cindy-mccain-widow-of-onetime-gop-nominee-endorses-biden-for-president (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/915957358/cindy-mccain-widow-of-onetime-gop-nominee-endorses-biden-for-president)
Cindy McCain is the latest in a long line of prominent Republicans that have endorsed Joe Biden. That list includes, among others: Colin Powell, John Kasich, Carly Fiorina, Jeff Flake, and George Will.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_2020_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_2020_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign)
In one of the many interviews with Cindy McCain today, she spoke about Joe Biden's great empathy. It's something that many have commented on and which all of the McCains have experienced first hand over decades of friendship.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden Speaks With Meghan McCain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sa8G-VR13Q)
All Republican denizens and some warmongering Neocons of the Washington swamp that Trump lambasted. In any case, Powell is a Rhino. He supported Obama against McCain and then again Obama against Romney. Yet you put him and McCain in the same post. You really need to study American history.
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Trump refuses to commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses
REPORTER: "Win, lose, or draw in this election, will you commit here today for a peaceful transferral of power after the election? There has been rioting in Louisville, there has been rioting in many cities across the country. Your so-called red and blue states. Will you commit to make sure there's a peaceful transferral of power after the election? "
TRUMP: "We're going to have to see what happens, you know that. I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are disaster."
REPORTER: "I understand that, but people are rioting. Do you commit to make sure that there's a peaceful transferral of power?"
TRUMP: "Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else."
https://www.axios.com/trump-peaceful-transfer-power-election (https://www.axios.com/trump-peaceful-transfer-power-election-e615d8fb-acef-4e63-9446-be1dd935464a.html)
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Frankly, this is as bizarre a scenario as the ones being spread by the right-wing conspiracy theorists who support Trump (perhaps with a little push from operatives working on behalf of Russian intelligence services).
I wish I agreed with you, but I think Bart's concerns are not unfounded. From a lengthy article in The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/) released today:
According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.
To a modern democratic sensibility, discarding the popular vote for partisan gain looks uncomfortably like a coup, whatever license may be found for it in law. Would Republicans find that position disturbing enough to resist? Would they cede the election before resorting to such a ploy? Trump’s base would exact a high price for that betrayal, and by this point party officials would be invested in a narrative of fraud.
The Trump-campaign legal adviser I spoke with told me the push to appoint electors would be framed in terms of protecting the people’s will. Once committed to the position that the overtime count has been rigged, the adviser said, state lawmakers will want to judge for themselves what the voters intended...
...In Pennsylvania, three Republican leaders told me they had already discussed the direct appointment of electors among themselves, and one said he had discussed it with Trump’s national campaign.
“I’ve mentioned it to them, and I hope they’re thinking about it too,” Lawrence Tabas, the Pennsylvania Republican Party’s chairman, told me. “I just don’t think this is the right time for me to be discussing those strategies and approaches, but [direct appointment of electors] is one of the options. It is one of the available legal options set forth in the Constitution.”
Note that this *is not* unsourced or anonymous - a Trump battleground party chairman is willing to go on record and acknowledge that they are using the bullshit spectre of "voter fraud" to ignore the election outcome in the pursuit of retaining minority rule over a majority that wants this fool gone. These guys are begging for violence in the streets, and they're about to get it.
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Trump refuses to commit to peaceful transfer of power if he loses
REPORTER: "Win, lose, or draw in this election, will you commit here today for a peaceful transferral of power after the election? There has been rioting in Louisville, there has been rioting in many cities across the country. Your so-called red and blue states. Will you commit to make sure there's a peaceful transferral of power after the election? "
TRUMP: "We're going to have to see what happens, you know that. I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are disaster."
REPORTER: "I understand that, but people are rioting. Do you commit to make sure that there's a peaceful transferral of power?"
TRUMP: "Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful — there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats know it better than anybody else."
https://www.axios.com/trump-peaceful-transfer-power-election (https://www.axios.com/trump-peaceful-transfer-power-election-e615d8fb-acef-4e63-9446-be1dd935464a.html)
The perfect answer by Trump. Liberal heads heads explode once again.
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I wish I agreed with you, but I think Bart's concerns are not unfounded. From a lengthy article in The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/) released today:
Note that this *is not* unsourced or anonymous - a Trump battleground party chairman is willing to go on record and acknowledge that they are using the bullshit spectre of "voter fraud" to ignore the election outcome in the pursuit of retaining minority rule over a majority that wants this fool gone. These guys are begging for violence in the streets, and they're about to get it.
I'd like to remind you that it was Democrat Hillary Clinton who worked to get Trump electors to change their vote and elect her to be president. Ironically, as it turned out, more Clinton electors changed their vote to Trump than Trump electors change theirs to Clinton. Poetic justice.
In any case, it was the Democrats who made a stink about Trump winning that even led to the phony charges of him colluding with the Russians and committing treason. The anti-Trump Atlantic magazine seems to have a short memory.
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I'd like to remind you that it was Democrat Hillary Clinton who worked to get Trump electors to change their vote and elect her to be president. Ironically, as it turned out, more Clinton electors changed their vote to Trump than Trump electors change theirs to Clinton. Poetic justice.
In any case, it was the Democrats who made a stink about Trump winning that even led to the phony charges of him colluding with the Russians and committing treason. The anti-Trump Atlantic magazine seems to have a short memory.
"Democrat Hillary Clinton" did what now? Stop making stuff up.
Also, the investigation was not phony. The Republican Senate committee said as much, and nobody (except noted Trump toadies Bill Barr, that wanker down in Florida, Gaetz, and the child molester apologist "Gym" Jordan) that anyone takes seriously things it was. As others have said, stop making stuff up.
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I wish I agreed with you, but I think Bart's concerns are not unfounded. From a lengthy article in The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/) released today:
Note that this *is not* unsourced or anonymous - a Trump battleground party chairman is willing to go on record and acknowledge that they are using the bullshit spectre of "voter fraud" to ignore the election outcome in the pursuit of retaining minority rule over a majority that wants this fool gone. These guys are begging for violence in the streets, and they're about to get it.
So whats the problem? Given the sorry state of "voting" in Pennsylvania, for proof just look at the latest "ruling" on how mail in votes can be counted, exactly what do you expect? For Trump to just roll over and play dead? You mess with the bull and sometimes you get the horns.
You seem to think all the unsolicited mail in ballots are all fine and dandy.
Mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania have previously been due by the time polls close on Election Day. But the court's order adds a three-day extension to receive ballots that are postmarked by 8 p.m. on Election Day. Ballots with a preelection postmark will now be counted as long as they are received by 5 p.m. on Nov. 6, three days after the polls close.
The court also wrote that ballots "received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day."[/u]
Na, no potential for any fraud there...
I mean its not like the Dims are just sitting on their hands. How many outcomes and potential remedies have they actually war gamed fro the election in general and how many laywers do they have on thier legal team?
As for the violence in the streets, your side has been doing it for months. Suddenly now its a problem? Cry me a river.
BTW, this is nothing new, I posted this exact possibility a few weeks back and our resident know it all told us it could never happen. Again so whats the problem?
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Oh, speaking of making stuff up, another stupid wingnut fever dream comes to a crashing end, now that noted Moscow-tripper and Russian propaganda stooge Ron Johnson has released a scathing report (https://www.wonkette.com/ron-johnson-walking-simpsons-you-tried-gif-releases-biden-ukraine-report) that has determined that Hunter Biden's Burisma position was (get ready for it...) "awkward."
;D ;D ;D
Way to blow the whole G**D*** case wide open.
Hey - maybe we should investigate this Q Anon stuff... That seems pretty legit. ::)
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Again so whats the problem?
The problem is that Trump and his people are actively setting the stage to contest an election based on claims that have simply never proven to be statistically relevant. It's not that anyone wants to count "fake" ballots - it's that "your side" wants to proactively assert that the whole thing is suspect from the outset, so that if/when they lose, they can overturn/ignore the results, or so it appears.
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Oh, speaking of making stuff up, another stupid wingnut fever dream comes to a crashing end, now that noted Moscow-tripper and Russian propaganda stooge Ron Johnson has released a scathing report (https://www.wonkette.com/ron-johnson-walking-simpsons-you-tried-gif-releases-biden-ukraine-report) that has determined that Hunter Biden's Burisma position was "awkward."
;D ;D ;D
Way to blow the whole G**D*** case wide open.
Wow James, you don't care that crack pipe Hunter was using his Dad, Joe Hiden to shake down companies all over the world? Somehow I think if the subject had a last name of Trump you would be in high dungeon.
You seem to be getting a bit testy. I know the poll numbers are not going your way and your candidate, such that he is, is a hot mess. But chill out James. Its going to be whatever it will be. No matter who wins your life, and mine will continue ( if we don't die from covid or bankruptcy :) ) Covid aside, Trump surely has not hurt you personally. And unless the AOC wing gets their hooks in Biden, or Harris takes over there is a good chance they would not hurt mine.
Cast your ballot. Forget about all the rest. Life goes on.
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The two-part documentary series "Agents of Chaos" on Russian election interference premieres tonight on HBO.
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/agents-of-chaos (https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/agents-of-chaos)
"Agents of Chaos, a two-part documentary from director Alex Gibney (HBO’s The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley and Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief) examines Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Featuring interviews with key players and experts, classified information leaked by inside sources, and more, the film disentangles the complex details of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and highlights the frightening vulnerabilities in America’s political process."
"The film is a product of years of reporting. With never-before-seen footage inside the Russian troll farms, and videos unearthed from the Russian deep web, the film digs deep into Russia’s sophisticated plans to undermine democracy, raising the alarm for the American public, but also proving that these “agents of chaos” weren’t Russians alone; they were also key players in the United States who, through venality, corruption or circumstance, furthered Putin’s goals, with a vulnerable and unsuspecting American public as their target."
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/Agents of Chaos (2020): Official Trailer | HBO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-OA7H8DoJM)
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Does anyone think that Trump will call it a rigged election if he wins? :)
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The problem is that Trump and his people are actively setting the stage to contest an election based on claims that have simply never proven to be statistically relevant. It's not that anyone wants to count "fake" ballots - it's that "your side" wants to proactively assert that the whole thing is suspect from the outset, so that if/when they lose, they can overturn/ignore the results, or so it appears.
Its call planning James. And your side is actively doing the same. Do you for one second believe if Biden loses they won't go to war to prove the election was tainted and try to overturn it?
This is not "never". Its now and a very small set of bad votes and swing the whole mess. Recent events show just how significant mail in vote problems can be.
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Wow James, you don't care that crack pipe Hunter was using his Dad, Joe Hiden to shake down companies all over the world? Somehow I think if the subject had a last name of Trump you would be in high dungeon.
You can rest assured that if Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka were exiled off to the board of some random Eastern European energy company instead of trying to run my country because Daddy is the president, I'd be f'n thrilled. ;)
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You can rest assured that if Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka were exiled off to the board of some random Eastern European energy company instead of trying to run my country because Dady is the president, I'd be f'n thrilled. ;)
James, it's our country. Just sayin.
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James, it's our country. Just sayin.
You’re reading intent there where there was none.
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Its call planning James. And your side is actively doing the same. Do you for one second believe if Biden loses they won't go to war to prove the election was tainted and try to overturn it?
This is not "never". Its now and a very small set of bad votes and swing the whole mess. Recent events show just how significant mail in vote problems can be.
I am just amazed by your total lack of ethics.
You appear to think that trying everything you can to prevent people from voting against you is fair game.
Are you a religious person Craig?
This is how a President needs to manage an electoral defeat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOgwJ9uAMQ
Cheers,
Bernard
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Regarding violence, 98% of the burning and looting has come from the left and Democrats.
That's an interestingly precise figure, Alan. 98%. Are you quite sure it's not 97%, or 90%, or 99%? I'd be fascinated to see the statistics on which you base the assertion.
Just because you can keep saying something doesn't mean that it magically becomes true, Alan.
Alan doesn't accept that obvious truth, Peter.
Jeremy
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You’re reading intent there where there was none.
Fair enough.
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That's an interestingly precise figure, Alan. 98%. Are you quite sure it's not 97%, or 90%, or 99%? I'd be fascinated to see the statistics on which you base the assertion.
Alan doesn't accept that obvious truth, Peter.
Jeremy
I'm not going to get into stupid word games you guys want to play. I'l let other fair-minded readers decide what I meant.
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As the moderator Jeremy, you particularly should stay out of it. It's inappropriate and petty.
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I'm not going to get into stupid word games you guys want to play. I'l let other fair-minded readers decide what I meant.
I asked a question above but it got lost in the shuffle. Why do you think these violent "insurrections" keep happening?
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The Manhattan district attorney has indicted Trump on tax fraud charges.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-vance/trump-could-face-tax-fraud-probe-manhattan-prosecutor-says-idUSKCN26C2W9
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The Manhattan district attorney has indicted Trump on tax fraud charges.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-vance/trump-could-face-tax-fraud-probe-manhattan-prosecutor-says-idUSKCN26C2W9
In the interests of saving time, Alan K is about to write that the timing of this is political, to which I would have responded, "Is there a time when indicting the sitting President would NOT have been political? Alan would then respond with something about Biden's son or about Obama.
(Just having some fun while we wait for the vaccine. :) )
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The Manhattan district attorney has indicted Trump on tax fraud charges.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-vance/trump-could-face-tax-fraud-probe-manhattan-prosecutor-says-idUSKCN26C2W9
Indicted? I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but nowhere do I see where Trump has been indicted.
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Indicted? I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but nowhere do I see where Trump has been indicted.
I'm not going to get into stupid word games you guys want to play. I'l let other fair-minded readers decide what I meant.
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No, Craig is 100% right in this case. All the filing said was that they believe there is sufficient reason to launch an investigation into allegations of fraud. That's not nothing, but it's critically different from an indictment.
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"Our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us,"
[Trump has] "failed to meet challenges large or small."
Now, who said these things? The Biden campaign? Hillary Clinton? Bernie Sanders? Nope--it was a group of some 500 retired admirals, generals and past diplomats and national security people in an open letter endorsing Biden.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-endorse-biden-including-some-who-n1240842
Let's see the Trumpkins here weasel their way around this!
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No, Craig is 100% right in this case. All the filing said was that they believe there is sufficient reason to launch an investigation into allegations of fraud. That's not nothing, but it's critically different from an indictment.
I didn't make it up. It's in the news article.[/i]
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In the interests of saving time, Alan K is about to write that the timing of this is political, to which I would have responded, "Is there a time when indicting the sitting President would NOT have been political? Alan would then respond with something about Biden's son or about Obama.
(Just having some fun while we wait for the vaccine. :) )
Thanks for saving me the time.
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Oh. I see what you're doing. Cute, but probably not helpful. :)
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Oh. I see what you're doing. Cute, but probably not helpful. :)
I posted a link to the article for the reader to view. Let them make up their own minds. I think the readers are big enough to to understand my points. If they can't, or don;t believe me, then I provide the links to the articles where they can read the original sources. What could be more honest and fairer than that?
This is what the forum has become. Anybody can post the most absurd bullshit imaginable. Other members scamper around correcting it. The guy then denies it is bullshit. Other members link to articles disproving it. The guy then deflects or says it is his opinion and he doesn't have to prove it. Back and forth, on and on. Being an optimist, I think it will get better. Instead it gets worse. What a colossal waste of time for everyone. Except for the troller. He is getting exactly what he wants: attention, and lots of it. Bereft of any photographic content, this is all that is left of LuLa. One more victim of the pandemic.
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In the interests of saving time...
(Just having some fun while we wait for the vaccine. :) )
Excellent. Maybe we need some kind of shorthand. :)
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This is what the forum has become. Anybody can post the most absurd bullshit imaginable. Other members scamper around correcting it. The guy then denies it. Other members link to articles disproving it. The guy then deflects or says it is his opinion and he doesn't have to prove it. Back and forth, on and on. Being an optimist, I think it will get better. Instead it gets worse. What a colossal waste of time for everyone. Except for the troller. He is getting exactly what he wants: attention. Bereft of any photographic content, this is all that is left of LuLa. One more victim of the pandemic.
Na it’s just what most forums do. It’s a feature not a bug. I don’t suspect anyone here has any chance of changing any minds. Its talk, formerly had at bars and bowling alleys, now with the added benefit of Google or Duck Duck Go. Go with the flow.
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This is what the forum has become. Anybody can post the most absurd bullshit imaginable. Other members scamper around correcting it. The guy then denies it is bullshit. Other members link to articles disproving it. The guy then deflects or says it is his opinion and he doesn't have to prove it. Back and forth, on and on. Being an optimist, I think it will get better. Instead it gets worse. What a colossal waste of time for everyone. Except for the troller. He is getting exactly what he wants: attention, and lots of it. Bereft of any photographic content, this is all that is left of LuLa. One more victim of the pandemic.
Well said and absolutely accurate.
I'm tempted to draw a parallel with CB radio, back in the 70s. At first it was hailed as a great unifier, enabling free, person-to-person communications for everyone. In a couple of years it had degenerated into cacophony.
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As the moderator Jeremy, you particularly should stay out of it. It's inappropriate and petty.
When I think I need your advice, Alan, I shall not hesitate to ask for it. Until then, I regard it as an essential part of a moderator's duty to point out those who post uncorroborated thoughts as dogmatic facts and who then slither when challenged on their veracity. You are the main culprit, and you offend repeatedly.
Jeremy
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It should be interesting to watch this unfold, particularly during the discovery phase, when Trump will have to produce documents and submit to depositions.
Mary Trump Sues President and Family, Claiming Fraud of Millions
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/mary-trump-lawsuit/index.html
If you subscribe to the NYT, this article addresses the subject more fully.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/nyregion/mary-trump-suing-trump-family.html
If I were Mary Trump, I would keep a close eye on my water bottles.
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When I think I need your advice, Alan, I shall not hesitate to ask for it. Until then, I regard it as an essential part of a moderator's duty to point out those who post uncorroborated thoughts as dogmatic facts and who then slither when challenged on their veracity. You are the main culprit, and you offend repeatedly.
Jeremy
My statements regarding facts are presented as such and corroborated with links if they are handy. My opinions are opinions just like everyone else that do not require corroboration. Neither does anyone else's. If I say Canon is better than Nikon, I don't have to prove it. To hold my opinion to some higher standard than others is bias on your part. I didn't see you telling FBerryman that his claim that Trump was indicted was a lie even according to the article he linked too. Why aren't you complaining about his lies?
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...I regard it as an essential part of a moderator's duty to point out those who post uncorroborated thoughts as dogmatic facts and who then slither when challenged on their veracity...
Jeremy
Thank you, Jeremy, for even attempting what we have for so long failed to do.
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Goldhammer was right. When the moderator starts taking sides and insulting the posters, it's time to go.
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Goldhammer was right. When the moderator starts taking sides and insulting the posters, it's time to go.
Let’s see if you manage to keep your word this time.
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My statements regarding facts are presented as such and corroborated with links if they are handy. My opinions are opinions just like everyone else that do not require corroboration. Neither does anyone else's. If I say Canon is better than Nikon, I don't have to prove it. To hold my opinion to some higher standard than others is bias on your part. I didn't see you telling FBerryman that his claim that Trump was indicted was a lie even according to the article he linked too. Why aren't you complaining about his lies?
Er, no.
when you state ‘violence is 90 % ... ‘ its not an opinion.
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Are Americans predisposed to authoritarianism? An interesting study https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681) presents some results of surveys along with a discussion of results.
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Are Americans predisposed to authoritarianism? An interesting study https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681) presents some results of surveys along with a discussion of results.
Authoritarianism like Venezuela under Maduro or Philippines under Duverte?
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Are Americans predisposed to authoritarianism? An interesting study https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/trump-america-authoritarianism-420681) presents some results of surveys along with a discussion of results.
Thank you for the link to this interesting article. I have copied a few portions from it below.
The political path to galvanize American authoritarianism is also well worn and documented. First, purveyors of the paranoid style conjure an “other.” Second, this other is described as different from mainstream Americans, and identified as a clear and present threat to majoritarian values and traditions. Third, the paranoid leader stokes fear that a hidden conspiracy to undermine mainstream values is afoot and alleges that the other is behind it—activating American authoritarians. Finally, in its most virulent manifestation, growing fear of the other is manipulated to rationalize actions that violate fundamental values, norms, laws and constitutional protections guaranteed to all Americans.
Let me be clear: Our fellow Americans, including our authoritarian neighbors, are not the enemy. The enemies of democracy are self-interested men and women who exploit fear to secure and expand their power. Fear activates the reservoir of intolerance that resides across ideological and partisan divides. And it dupes some of us into demanding uniformity over diversity, denigrating our neighbors, and turning our back on the very motto inscribed on the Great Seal of our Republic in 1782: e pluribus unum.
Personally, we need to stop othering each other. No more schoolyard labeling of one another as “libtard,” “snowflake,” or “deplorable.” No more reveling in the drawing of differences between us and them. There is no “enemy within” except the self-interested misleaders who exacerbate our problems. The real enemy is ignorance, disinformation and the lure of simple authoritarian answers to complex problems.
In 1950, taking McCarthyism head on while others demurred, Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith delivered a more pointed articulation of these principles in her “Declaration of Conscience.” She said: “It is high time that we stopped thinking politically as Republicans and Democrats about elections and started thinking patriotically as Americans about national security based on individual freedoms. It is high time that we all stopped being tools and victims of totalitarian techniques that, if continued here unchecked, will surely end what we have come to cherish as the American way of life.”
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Go with the flow.
Good advice.
Perhaps you coud apply to yourself and advise your President to do the same?
Translated in political terms it would mean respect the will of all Americans, respect the letter and the spirit of the constitution,... and another long list of things decent and ethical leaders do, but that Trump doesn’t.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In1_c6xJVZE
Regards,
Bernard
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What a colossal waste of time for everyone. Except for the troller. He is getting exactly what he wants: attention, and lots of it.
Getting attention is a big part of it. Sometimes it is just for the sheer bizarre pleasure of believing that other people are upset or for the more juvenile expression of it—heads explode.
Since Democrat Party seems to upset a lot of people here who I disagree with, I will continue to use it.
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Thank you for the link to this interesting article. I have copied a few portions from it below.
The political path to galvanize American authoritarianism is also well worn and documented. First, purveyors of the paranoid style conjure an “other.” Second, this other is described as different from mainstream Americans, and identified as a clear and present threat to majoritarian values and traditions. Third, the paranoid leader stokes fear that a hidden conspiracy to undermine mainstream values is afoot and alleges that the other is behind it—activating American authoritarians. Finally, in its most virulent manifestation, growing fear of the other is manipulated to rationalize actions that violate fundamental values, norms, laws and constitutional protections guaranteed to all Americans.
Let me be clear: Our fellow Americans, including our authoritarian neighbors, are not the enemy. The enemies of democracy are self-interested men and women who exploit fear to secure and expand their power. Fear activates the reservoir of intolerance that resides across ideological and partisan divides. And it dupes some of us into demanding uniformity over diversity, denigrating our neighbors, and turning our back on the very motto inscribed on the Great Seal of our Republic in 1782: e pluribus unum.
Personally, we need to stop othering each other. No more schoolyard labeling of one another as “libtard,” “snowflake,” or “deplorable.” No more reveling in the drawing of differences between us and them. There is no “enemy within” except the self-interested misleaders who exacerbate our problems. The real enemy is ignorance, disinformation and the lure of simple authoritarian answers to complex problems.
In 1950, taking McCarthyism head on while others demurred, Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith delivered a more pointed articulation of these principles in her “Declaration of Conscience.” She said: “It is high time that we stopped thinking politically as Republicans and Democrats about elections and started thinking patriotically as Americans about national security based on individual freedoms. It is high time that we all stopped being tools and victims of totalitarian techniques that, if continued here unchecked, will surely end what we have come to cherish as the American way of life.”
Excellent post, thank you. It will of course be beyond the ken of some people here, whom I will not name.
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Matt Gaetz accuses GOP’s Kelly Loeffler of bribing Trump with $50 million to push out her rival
https://news.yahoo.com/matt-gaetz-accuses-gop-kelly (https://news.yahoo.com/matt-gaetz-accuses-gop-kelly-165451283.html)
"This is what the Loeffler team went to the Trump team with," said Gaetz at a campaign event for Collins. "They went and said, 'Look, you guys gotta get Doug Collins out of this race' . . . She said, 'I have $50 million for this project, and I can either spend my $50 million getting new voters and helping the Trump campaign, or I can spend that $50 million taking out Doug Collins.'"
"While other sources confirmed that a message about Loeffler's potentially diminished financial support was passed from her team to Trump's, they described Loeffler's reported ultimatum as more nuanced than Gaetz portrayed it," reported Lachlan Markay. "According to one source familiar with the interactions, the Loeffler team's offer had more to do with supporting other Senate candidates than with supporting the president, and was actually relayed to the president's campaign by way of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY. 'Basically it was to get McConnell and the Senate committee behind Loeffler and to not support Collins,' the source said."
The Senate special election in Georgia is being run as a jungle primary, with all Democrats and all Republicans running together on the same ballot and the top two advancing if no one gets over 50%. Recent polls have shown a tight race for the top two positions between Loeffler, Collins and the leading Democrat, Reverend Raphael Warnock.
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Goldhammer was right. When the moderator starts taking sides and insulting the posters, it's time to go.
Alan, even though we butt heads here at times, I totally agree with you. I've watched LuLu activity drop dramatically and it really says something when a political post is the most active post on a photography forum.
Something is just not right here.
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One thing is sure, the first step is to vote Trump out in a totally clear way.
Whatever he does to rig the elections (his clear attempts to refuse votes from tens of thousands of legit voters based on the completely imaginary mail in ballot issue,...) or to not accept the results doesn't matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcsdW58KE-o
Cheers,
Bernard
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Alan, even though we butt heads here at times, I totally agree with you. I've watched LuLu activity drop dramatically and it really says something when a political post is the most active post on a photography forum.
Something is just not right here.
I understand how you feel, but things are not so dire. There are lots of photo-related discussions going on elsewhere on the site. There may not be as much activity in those places as there used to be or as much as you'd like, but given the pandemic that was always going to be the case. Photography may not be the main thing on people's minds these days. Add to that the current bizarre situation in US politics that sucks the air out of everything, it's not surprising that North American contributors are drawn to that. Coffee Corner is a place for shooting the breeze (talking bollocks, as they say in UK) and people have a lot of time on their hands these days. The non-overtly political discussions in Coffee Corner can still be interesting, and the partisan political stuff should die down soon.
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Thank you for the link to this interesting article. I have copied a few portions from it below.
The political path to galvanize American authoritarianism is also well worn and documented. First, purveyors of the paranoid style conjure an “other.” Second, this other is described as different from mainstream Americans, and identified as a clear and present threat to majoritarian values and traditions. Third, the paranoid leader stokes fear that a hidden conspiracy to undermine mainstream values is afoot and alleges that the other is behind it—activating American authoritarians. Finally, in its most virulent manifestation, growing fear of the other is manipulated to rationalize actions that violate fundamental values, norms, laws and constitutional protections guaranteed to all Americans.
Let me be clear: Our fellow Americans, including our authoritarian neighbors, are not the enemy. The enemies of democracy are self-interested men and women who exploit fear to secure and expand their power. Fear activates the reservoir of intolerance that resides across ideological and partisan divides. And it dupes some of us into demanding uniformity over diversity, denigrating our neighbors, and turning our back on the very motto inscribed on the Great Seal of our Republic in 1782: e pluribus unum.
Personally, we need to stop othering each other. No more schoolyard labeling of one another as “libtard,” “snowflake,” or “deplorable.” No more reveling in the drawing of differences between us and them. There is no “enemy within” except the self-interested misleaders who exacerbate our problems. The real enemy is ignorance, disinformation and the lure of simple authoritarian answers to complex problems.
In 1950, taking McCarthyism head on while others demurred, Republican Senator Margaret Chase Smith delivered a more pointed articulation of these principles in her “Declaration of Conscience.” She said: “It is high time that we stopped thinking politically as Republicans and Democrats about elections and started thinking patriotically as Americans about national security based on individual freedoms. It is high time that we all stopped being tools and victims of totalitarian techniques that, if continued here unchecked, will surely end what we have come to cherish as the American way of life.”
There has been a recent show on PBS "world channel" recently called "hacking the brain" ( or something like that) that covers the mechanisms used to do this by dogmatic authoritarians and others. It is way too easy.
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QAnon disinformation? https://thehill.com/policy/technology/518118-disinformation-qanon-efforts-targeting-latino-voters-ramp-up-ahead-of (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/518118-disinformation-qanon-efforts-targeting-latino-voters-ramp-up-ahead-of). Some of the "info" that's being peddled is laughable. But if they keep pushing it out it must be because they think it works, which is both very cynical and depressing as hell.
I don't follow the American daily news cycle, is the video of Trump tossing paper towels at people on high rotation during the campaign? I never hear mention of it, which seems surprising. If they aren't using it, could it be that they think it will increase support for Trump so better not to show it? Now that would be truly depressing.
There is no bottom.
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I don't follow the American daily news cycle, is the video of Trump tossing paper towels at people on high rotation during the campaign? I never hear mention of it, which seems surprising. If they aren't using it, could it be that they think it will increase support for Trump so better not to show it? Now that would be truly depressing.
I haven't seen the paper towel clip in a long time. Trump is usually on TV every day so there is always something new to show.
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Goldhammer was right. When the moderator starts taking sides and insulting the posters, it's time to go.
I am neither taking sides (I have no skin in the game of American politics) nor insulting you. I am reprimanding you for poor behaviour. Your inability to grasp the reason for the reprimand is neither here nor there, but it bodes ill for improvement.
Alan, even though we butt heads here at times, I totally agree with you. I've watched LuLu activity drop dramatically and it really says something when a political post is the most active post on a photography forum.
Something is just not right here.
If two who are so diametrically opposed as Klein and Ogloff accuse me of bias against them, it's hard for me not to feel that I have things about right.
Jeremy
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I haven't seen the paper towel clip in a long time. Trump is usually on TV every day so there is always something new to show.
I mentioned it because I thought it might be on high rotation in election ads aimed at Latinos. I don't see how you could be anything other than repulsed by anyone who behaved so callously, let alone a person in office whose job it is to care for citizens. I was thinking that in a cynical movie (think Wag the Dog) you could have a scene where the paper towel throwing incident could be used to rouse the pro-Trump vote in some districts. I'm sure someone somewhere has done the calculus.
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QAnon disinformation?. . . Some of the "info" that's being peddled is laughable. But if they keep pushing it out it must be because they think it works, which is both very cynical and depressing as hell.
It's difficult to know to what extent particular voter demographics in particular states are influenced by right-wing conspiracy sites―or by operatives working on behalf of Russian intelligence services, for that matter. The published opinion polls rarely attempt to track that sort of phenomenon.
However, there may be a much simpler explanation why Biden is polling worse among Latino voters than Clinton did in states like Florida: the Republican "ground game." The Trump campaign and the Republican Party have been sending canvassers to knock on doors and make person-to-person appeals to voters. The Biden campaign and the Democratic Party for the most part have not, reportedly out of concern that kind of contact with voters could spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus. That type of direct contact can help persuade undecided voters and is even more effective in motivating those who support the canvassers' candidate actually to vote.
As you undoubtedly know, we don't have a national presidential election: we have 51 elections conducted by the individual states and the District of Columbia. Florida is indeed critical to the presidential outcome this year, as the article you referenced points out, because if Trump can't win the state's electoral votes, as he did in 2016, his path to gaining an electoral vote majority will be extremely difficult. The Biden campaign and its allies (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article245959090.html) are now broadcasting advertising targeted at hispanohablantes in an attempt to address the polling deficit in that state.
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I mentioned it because I thought it might be on high rotation in election ads aimed at Latinos. I don't see how you could be anything other than repulsed by anyone who behaved so callously, let alone a person in office whose job it is to care for citizens. I was thinking that in a cynical movie (think Wag the Dog) you could have a scene where the paper towel throwing incident could be used to rouse the pro-Trump vote in some districts. I'm sure someone somewhere has done the calculus.
That would have no effect whatsoever on Trump supporters. The election will come down to about 10% or so of the population who have not made up their minds yet. The paper towel incident was not enough to move them to the Democratic side when it occurred; replaying it is unlikely to do so now. We'll just have to see if anything occurs in the next month to sway them one way or the other. The so-called "October surprise". Or one of them could have a stroke or something. Lots of scenarios.
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That would have no effect whatsoever on Trump supporters. The election will come down to about 10% or so of the population who have not made up their minds yet. The paper towel incident was not enough to move them to the Democratic side when it occurred; replaying it is unlikely to do so now. We'll just have to see if anything occurs in the next month to sway them one way or the other. The so-called "October surprise".
Would it not even have the effect of helping to get out the vote as in, "Look at this, we have to get rid of this guy, go vote!"? But I get your point. If this shit show has already been discounted by the electorate to be the new normal, another ad won't change much. That is not a good place to be. I hope there is a way back from this.
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Would it not even have the effect of helping to get out the vote as in, "Look at this, we have to get rid of this guy, go vote!"?
I do not think so. I think it is viewed as just "Trump being Trump". My view is that Trump won in 2016 because people couldn't stomach Hillary Clinton. Perhaps Biden will win in 2020 because people can't stomach Trump for another four years.
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See leftists really do eat their babies.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/qanon-book-claiming-democrats-eat-children-is-climbing-the-amazon-charts-2019-03-05
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Excellent post, thank you. It will of course be beyond the ken of some people here, whom I will not name.
+1
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Alan, even though we butt heads here at times, I totally agree with you. I've watched LuLu activity drop dramatically and it really says something when a political post is the most active post on a photography forum.
Something is just not right here.
Could it be that photographers are an intelligent bunch who realize that the situation in the US now is as serious as the one in Germany in the 30s or that in some Eastern countries in the late 40s or early 50s?
Democracy was taken for granted in those countries too, the populist leaders bringing « change » did have some support also but targeted content delivery on social network hadn’t been made possible yet. Hitler did succeed to a great extent thanks to very elaborate marketing delivered through various means on top of the message « germany is a victim, you are a victim, let’s make the country great again ». A subtle mix of facts, lies and imagined fantasies designed to trigger adherence among the popular classes that would then be sent to die in the battlefields of Europe while Nazi dignitaries were enjoying fine French wines.
Trump supporters are keen to point out how well Trump has been sticking to his commitments (with very selective facts but anyway). And the commitment he has made now is that « he won’t loose unless the election is rigged ». And why not believe him this time also? Except the « loosing » in Trump’s parlance means « accepting defeat » and that, ahead of that, accusing Democrats of « rigging the elections » clearly means that he is busy doing it himself. Liers are well known for accusing others of their own deeds. Anyway you look at it, he intends to try to cheat his way in office. It’s utterly transparent. So if this is not serious enough a situation to trigger passionate discussions here what should?
A valid debate could be how photographers based in the US can use their art to contribute to the awareness of what is going on, but when I raised a question about the personal intent of people if/when Trump goes overboard and attempts to become a full fledged dictator after he looses the election there were very few answers.
I hope it indicates these photographers are busy imagining how they can use their art to express the seriousness of the current situation.
Bit it seems clear that boasting about how great the latest Sony is won’t help either way.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Outlook with just over 40 days to go :
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50384012352_73bf898dd7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jLgew9)
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I like how some of the circles have the state's abbreviation and others don't. Are we more likely to know the states without abbreviations? And Trump would have a field day with a chart like that. Sharpie in hand he could make his re-election unanimous.
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The Florida attorney general is looking into whether Bloomberg paying off felons' fines and court costs so they can vote is voter fraud.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/517877-florida-attorney-general-scrutinizing-bloomberg-paying-fines-for-felons
I wonder if she is also going to look into Trump sending seniors $200 debit cards as voter fraud as well?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/trump-drug-coupons-seniors-421511
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I like how some of the circles have the state's abbreviation and others don't. Are we more likely to know the states without abbreviations?
It’s a screenshot from The Economist link (scroll down the page) on the first post of this thread. Clicking on any of the circles gives you details, which I’m guessing have been omitted for cleaner visuals.
For the non-Americans on this thread gives a clearer picture of where we’re at (not so different from 2016) and, guessing that Texas will stay Republican, the four key states that will in all probability decide the election are Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Ohio.
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Texas may be a surprise.
We are working on it.
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. . . guessing that Texas will stay Republican, the 4 key states that’ll decide the election are Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Ohio.
I would add Arizona and Iowa to that list, based on the recent surveys: Biden has a reasonable chance of winning Arizona and at least a shot at picking up Iowa. Pennsylvania could also be in play, depending on what proportion of blacks and young people actually vote: if their turnout is low, I suspect Trump still has a chance of taking that state.
Texas may be a surprise.
We are working on it.
I'm skeptical, but if Trump were to lose Texas, I have difficulty seeing how he could still assemble an electoral majority.
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It’s a screenshot from The Economist link (scroll down the page) on the first post of this thread. Clicking on any of the circles gives you details, which I’m guessing have been omitted for cleaner visuals.
For the non-Americans on this thread gives a clearer picture of where we’re at (not so different from 2016) and, guessing that Texas will stay Republican, the four key states that will in all probability decide the election are Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Ohio.
I disagree. Trump won all those states in 2016, yet barely squeaked in by also winning Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by very narrow margins. If those three sites switch (and Biden is leading in all three) Biden will win, even if Trump wins Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Ohio as he did in 2016.
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For all you Trumpinskis who ignored my recent post about the 200+ Admirals and Generals endorsing Biden and condemning Trump, here's somethig else to ignore.
https://www.newsweek.com/former-intelligence-agency-director-who-briefed-trump-says-he-endangers-nations-national-security-1534388
BTW, changing your mind in the face of overwhelming evidence is a sign of intelligence (that's how science works, for example). Not doing so is a sign of ... you know.
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It is a sad day for a lot of people. It appears someone has done the math, and if you travel back in time to prevent Donald Trump from being elected, you won't be successful. At least that explains why all those episodes of The Time Tunnel turned out the way they did.
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-physicist-has-come-up-with-the-maths-to-make-time-travel-plausible
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Those who are still convinced that Donald Trump is a great businessman may want to follow the New York Times series that just began about an hour ago. The paper has received financial and tax records from 2000 through 2017. Several years he paid ZERO Federal income tax and in 2016 and 2017 paid $750 each year; yes there are no zeros missing from those numbers. No wonder he didn't want to release his tax returns. The Times will be publish more on this during the next several weeks. The first dandy installment is here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html You can see all the wonderful investments that are losing money like crazy. "For all of its Trumpworld allure, his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has not fared much better. Its tax records show losses through 2018 of $55.5 million."
It's doubtful that this will change the minds of his supporters but it may finally force him to disclose his tax returns or let this stand as the record.
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It's doubtful that this will change the minds of his supporters but it may finally force him to disclose his tax returns or let this stand as the record.
You would think his supporters would resent it, but they think it is a sign of his business acumen.
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Those who are still convinced that Donald Trump is a great businessman may want to follow the New York Times series that just began about an hour ago. The paper has received financial and tax records from 2000 through 2017. Several years he paid ZERO Federal income tax and in 2016 and 2017 paid $750 each year; yes there are no zeros missing from those numbers. No wonder he didn't want to release his tax returns. The Times will be publish more on this during the next several weeks. The first dandy installment is here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html You can see all the wonderful investments that are losing money like crazy. "For all of its Trumpworld allure, his Washington hotel, opened in 2016, has not fared much better. Its tax records show losses through 2018 of $55.5 million."
Bwwwwahahahahaha.
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Those who are still convinced that Donald Trump is a great businessman may want to follow the New York Times series that just began about an hour ago.
From the first installment in the Times series based on Trump's federal income tax returns:
The picture that perhaps emerges most starkly from the mountain of figures and tax schedules prepared by Mr. Trump’s accountants is of a businessman-president in a tightening financial vise.
Most of Mr. Trump’s core enterprises — from his constellation of golf courses to his conservative-magnet hotel in Washington — report losing millions, if not tens of millions, of dollars year after year.
His revenue from “The Apprentice” and from licensing deals is drying up, and several years ago he sold nearly all the stocks that now might have helped him plug holes in his struggling properties.
The tax audit looms.
And within the next four years, more than $300 million in loans — obligations for which he is personally responsible — will come due.
Against that backdrop, the records go much further toward revealing the actual and potential conflicts of interest created by Mr. Trump’s refusal to divest himself of his business interests while in the White House. His properties have become bazaars for collecting money directly from lobbyists, foreign officials and others seeking face time, access or favor; the records for the first time put precise dollar figures on those transactions.
At the Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Fla., a flood of new members starting in 2015 allowed him to pocket an additional $5 million a year from the business. At his Doral golf resort near Miami, the roofing materials manufacturer GAF spent at least $1.5 million in 2018 even as its industry was lobbying the Trump administration to roll back “egregious” federal regulations. In 2017, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association paid at least $397,602 to the Washington hotel, where the group held at least one event during its four-day World Summit in Defense of Persecuted Christians.
The Times was also able to take the fullest measure to date of the president’s income from overseas, where he holds ultimate sway over American diplomacy. When he took office, Mr. Trump said he would pursue no new foreign deals as president. Even so, in his first two years in the White House, his revenue from abroad totaled $73 million. And while much of that money was from his golf properties in Scotland and Ireland, some came from licensing deals in countries with authoritarian-leaning leaders or thorny geopolitics — for example, $3 million from the Philippines, $2.3 million from India and $1 million from Turkey.
The newspaper says there will be more stories about Trump's taxes "in the coming weeks" (presumably before the election).
In other words, Many Happy Returns.
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You would think his supporters would resent it, but they think it is a sign of his business acumen.
Having read the article, it appears that Trump and his accountants are masters at working the tax code.
If it’s illegal the IRS can deal with it, but it seems even they have not done that in all of these years.
Trump has often said being President costs him money and it’s no secret bookings to many of his properties fell when lefties decided to switch from loving him to hating him.
But a smart person once said, why would I want to see the tax returns for a billionaire who became President and works for free instead of a politician who was elected to office and then made millions.
To each his own.
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Having read the article, it appears that Trump and his accountants are masters at working the tax code.
If it’s illegal the IRS can deal with it, but it seems even they have not done that in all of these years.
Trump has often said being President costs him money and it’s no secret bookings to many of his properties fell when lefties decided to switch from loving him to hating him.
But a smart person once said, why would I want to see the tax returns for a billionaire who became President and works for free instead of a politician who was elected to office and then made millions.
To each his own.
Good point! We should also bear in mind that even though Trump might have paid no taxes, in his own name, because of all the tax-deductible costs associated with his investments, the numerous employees in his various businesses probably would have paid tax. Without the Trump enterprises, those jobs would not exist and the government would not receive the tax revenue.
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Fraud is something prosecutors can deal with when Trump is no longer able to hide behind his current office.
Putin's Russia did not create the divisions in the US, or distrust in democracy and institutions of government, or fear of each other. What Russia has done is to successfully exploit and amplify the existing division, distrust, and fear that already existed. They continue to do so.
Trump has also successfully exploited and amplified the existing division, distrust, and fear in the nation. He continues to do so. For that, the voters can deal with it by voting him out.
Trump is neither a stable genius or a great businessman. His only talents are as a conman and a bully. The political chaos he created worked for him in a relatively stable 2016, barely. It remains to be seen if that will work in an already chaotic 2020.
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Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale hospitalized after he was armed and threatening to harm himself, Fort Lauderdale police say
Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale has reportedly been hospitalized after a tense exchange with police in which he was armed, barricaded himself in his home and threatened to harm himself, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.
The police, called by his wife, went to the house in the Seven Isles community, an affluent area in which houses have access to the water. They made contact, “developed a rapport” and negotiated his exit from the house, the police said in a statement. He was taken to Broward Health Medical Center under the Baker Act, which provides for temporary involuntary commitment.
https://thehill.com/former-trump-campaign-manager-brad-parscale-hospitalized-after-threatening (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518526-former-trump-campaign-manager-brad-parscale-hospitalized-after-threatening)
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-ne-brad-parscale-incident-fort-lauderdale-20200928 (https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-ne-brad-parscale-incident-fort-lauderdale-20200928-g4bcine3fbb7jhjniiroo3yuse-story.html)
Brad Parscale was campaign manager until a couple of months ago. Politics aside, let's hope that both he and Michael Caputo get the help they need to recover from their current health problems.
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I don't think the tax disclosures will harm him politically. If anything, people will read the articles to find out how he did it because they don't want to pay taxes either. It's aspirational info.
Besides, is it any worse than Amazon or Apple or any number of other entities?
I don't think it's a much different situation than him throwing paper towels at Puerto Ricans. The number of people who are offended by the behaviour may be outnumbered by the number of people who cheer him on.
Has Michael Moore made any predictions about the election yet? He called it right last time.
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... the numerous employees in his various businesses probably would have paid tax. Without the Trump enterprises, those jobs would not exist and the government would not receive the tax revenue.
Or, they would have gotten other jobs. It's not a zero-sum game.
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Or, they would have gotten other jobs. It's not a zero-sum game.
I don't think there has ever been zero unemployment in the USA. When a company goes broke, the employees will usually search for another job of course. However, there is usually a number of people applying for any particular job and only one of them is chosen.
The greater the number of companies that go broke, the higher the unemployment rate and the lower the tax revenue, unless the government is able to raise the tax rates without causing more companies to go broke and without reducing the incentive for new companies to be established.
If Trump has avoided paying taxes legally, then that suggests he has business acumen. If he has done it illegally, and that is revealed, then he's in trouble.
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If Trump has avoided paying taxes legally, then that suggests he has business acumen. If he has done it illegally, and that is revealed, then he's in trouble.
They'll never prove legality or illegality in a month, so it will turn on appearance of impropriety. I doubt Trump supporters will care one way or another. So the question is whether it will create a tipping point among the undecided.
There exists a slim possibility that some of his followers will abandon him if he continues to deny things and say its fake news like he only paid $750 in federal income tax in 2016 if the NYT releases documents that prove that it is true. Nah, that's only wishful thinking. They don't care whether he lies of not. For some reason, it is part of his allure.
And by the way, it has nothing to do with business acumen and everything to do with expensive tax attorneys and accountants. He is not sitting in his office pouring over the tax code and thinking this stuff up himself.
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They'll never prove legality or illegality in a month, so it will turn on appearance of impropriety. I doubt Trump supporters will care one way or another. So the question is whether it will create a tipping point among the undecided.
There exists a slim possibility that some of his followers will abandon him if he continues to deny things and say its fake news like he only paid $750 in federal income tax in 2016 if the NYT releases documents that prove that it is true. Nah, that's only wishful thinking. They don't care whether he lies of not. For some reason, it is part of his allure.
And by the way, it has nothing to do with business acumen and everything to do with expensive tax attorneys and accountants. He is not sitting in his office pouring over the tax code and thinking this stuff up himself.
You have to read to well in the the yellow news of the NYT to find the real truth...
Mr. Trump was periodically required to pay a parallel income tax called the alternative minimum tax, created as a tripwire to prevent wealthy people from using huge deductions, including business losses, to entirely wipe out their tax liabilities.
Mr. Trump paid alternative minimum tax in seven years between 2000 and 2017 — a total of $24.3 million, excluding refunds he received after filing. For 2015, he paid $641,931, his first payment of any federal income tax since 2010.
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And by the way, it has nothing to do with business acumen and everything to do with expensive tax attorneys and accountants.
Really! Who chooses the expensive attorneys and accountants, and on what basis is the choice made. Doesn't this require business acumen?
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Really! Who chooses the expensive attorneys and accountants, and on what basis is the choice made. Doesn't this require business acumen?
It seems to me that the whole point of business acumen in the case of a privately held company is to provide wealth and income to the owner and his or her family. It appears that Trumps is doing that nicely, and finding a ways to avoid taxes, which pretty much every person alive tries to do.
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Regardless of what you thnk of him, he digs up a lot of dirt....
James O’Keefe, of Project Veritas, exposes massive Minneapolis voter fraud
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/james_okeefe_of_project_veritas_exposes_massive_minneapolis_voter_fraud.html#ixzz6ZL6itG6U
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You have to read to well in the the yellow news of the NYT to find the real truth...
Mr. Trump was periodically required to pay a parallel income tax called the alternative minimum tax, created as a tripwire to prevent wealthy people from using huge deductions, including business losses, to entirely wipe out their tax liabilities.
Mr. Trump paid alternative minimum tax in seven years between 2000 and 2017 — a total of $24.3 million, excluding refunds he received after filing. For 2015, he paid $641,931, his first payment of any federal income tax since 2010.
To be fair, I understand his decisions about reducing the level of taxation for the rich, why would he want to tax himself?
I mean since we've established that ethics aren't relevant anymore for Trump and his hard core supporters.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I think Trump should demand a refund. For $70,000 I'd expect my hair to look better than an orang-utan in a wind tunnel!
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Really! Who chooses the expensive attorneys and accountants, and on what basis is the choice made. Doesn't this require business acumen?
Not really. You just ask around. Everybody knows who the best in the professions are. Same with doctors and such.
And how much business acumen does it take to lose so much money you don't have to pay taxes? A friend of mine once told me that the way to make a small fortune in real estate was to start with a large one. I think I have read that if Trump had invested the money he inherited from his father in a stock index fund, he would be wealthier than even he claims to be. The probable result of these disclosure is that Trump is going to fall off the Forbes list of the 400 wealthiest Americans. I don't know if Trump's ego with be able to handle it. I am sure it will be Fake News.
I know I won’t convince you of anything so just ignore my posts. The Ignore feature works pretty well.
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The Trump accountants and their participation in setting up fraudulent tax schemes for the family business over decades is old news. People have short memories; especially when there is a never ending stream of chaos pouring from the White House.
https://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-shadowy-accountants-who-do-trumps-taxes-and-help-him-seem-richer-than-he-is (https://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-shadowy-accountants-who-do-trumps-taxes-and-help-him-seem-richer-than-he-is)
Meet the Shadowy Accountants Who Do Trump’s Taxes and Help Him Seem Richer Than He Is
The Supreme Court fight over Donald Trump’s tax returns has pushed his accounting firm into the limelight. In various episodes over 30 years, partners — including the CEO — have run into trouble for fraud, misconduct or malpractice.
by Peter Elkind, ProPublica, and Meg Cramer, WNYC, with Doris Burke, ProPublica May 6, 4 a.m. EDT
Excerpts Below
In fact, Trump entrusts his taxes and planning to a tiny, secretive team of CPAs who have operated at various times from humble quarters in Queens and two Long Island office parks. That team, which has had two leaders with back-to-back multidecade terms, has been working for the Trumps since Fred Trump began using the firm back in the 1950s. It was eventually subsumed into Mazars USA, the American arm of a large international firm, through a series of mergers over decades.
One theme has been consistent: partners and sometimes the firm itself have faced accusations of fraud, misconduct and malpractice on multiple occasions, an investigation by ProPublica and WNYC has found.
That pattern dates to the 30 years during which the Trump accounting team was led by Jack Mitnick, whose pugnaciousness was exceeded only by his aversion to his clients paying the IRS. He was the architect of the notorious schemes, revealed by The New York Times, to dodge more than $500 million in gift and inheritance taxes and funnel hundreds of millions from Fred Trump to his children, helping keep Donald Trump afloat through four of his business bankruptcies. Mitnick was known as an accounting star — at least until 1996, when his partners threw him out of the firm amid accusations of fraud and malpractice.
Years of turmoil followed. The firm operated without malpractice insurance for a period and was dogged by feuds — with current and former partners suing each other — and financial problems.
And it ran afoul of regulators. In January of 2004 — one week after “The Apprentice” premiered on NBC — the Securities and Exchange Commission formally censured the firm for willfully aiding and abetting misconduct. The SEC suspended one partner from practicing before it for four years for what the agency called “highly unreasonable” and “improper professional conduct.”
Since Trump’s accountants merged their practice into Mazars in 2010, they have been present for Trump’s scandals, too. Mazars accountants prepared the tax returns for the Donald J. Trump Foundation, forced to shut down and ordered to pay more than $2 million in damages after a New York attorney general’s investigation exposed a history of illegal self-dealing. And the Manhattan DA’s office, which is investigating whether the Trump Organization falsified its business records to cover up hush-money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, subpoenaed not only Trump’s tax returns but also various internal records and assessments prepared by Mazars.
Today, the CEO of Mazars USA is the same partner who was suspended by the SEC for four years for improper conduct. (Mazars defends its CEO, saying he meets all ethical and professional standards, and asserts that the firm has encountered no more sanctions or litigation than other comparable firms.)
The Mazars accountants were complicit in the foundation’s illegal practices, according to Marcus Owens, an attorney and expert in nonprofit law who ran the IRS’ exempt-organizations division for a decade. “I cannot fathom how they would not know,” he said. Owens called the firm’s role in the foundation’s misconduct “extraordinary. ... I’ve been practicing charity law for 45 years, including 25 at the IRS, and I’ve never seen anything like it.” Added Owens: “This is aiding and abetting someone doing something that is in clear violation of federal tax law. It really calls into question what’s going on with every other tax return that firm prepared.”
The greatest revelations also may not be contained in the tax returns themselves, which will lack detail about Trump and his businesses, but in the thousands of pages of other materials that Congress and the DA have also subpoenaed. These include the hundreds of corporate returns, also prepared by Mazars, detailing Trump’s investments, his debts, his sources of income and his partners. Equally important, the accountants’ work papers and communications with the Trump Organization could reveal unguarded internal assessments and exchanges about his finances.
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If James O’Keefe ever manages to expose anything, it will be himself—most likely to another lawsuit or another conviction.
https://www.businessinsider.com/james-okeefe-project-veritas-sting-fails-2017-11 (https://www.businessinsider.com/james-okeefe-project-veritas-sting-fails-2017-11)
https://www.theatlantic.com/The Bad Faith of James O'Keefe (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/james-okeefe/546869/)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/ (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HyxZLt8O3WQJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/)
"O'Keefe's criminal record has caused the charity problems in some states. Mississippi and Utah stripped the group of a license to raise money in those states because it failed to disclose O'Keefe's conviction on state applications, records show."
"Also working at Veritas is former television producer Robert J. Halderman, who was sentenced to six months in jail in 2010 after he was accused of trying to blackmail late-night host David Letterman. Halderman was with O'Keefe outside the Project Veritas offices Monday as a reporter tried to ask about Phillips's role with the organization."
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The Trump accountants and their participation in setting up fraudulent tax schemes for the family business over decades is old news. People have short memories; especially when there is a never ending stream of chaos pouring from the White House.
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No, NO, NO!, TechTalk. You're missing the point. That's just sound business practices. He's just smarter than everyone else. He knows how to game the system. That's why he's such a good President.
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I'm still trying to get over the shock that you have to actually read what was written in a news story of the NYT to find the real truth!
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Really! Who chooses the expensive attorneys and accountants, and on what basis is the choice made. Doesn't this require business acumen?
From what I read and hear on podcasts, it has been true for many years that US banks will no longer do business with Trump, as he is unreliable when it comes to paying back creditors. None of this is secret, it has been known for a long time, well before he was elected. Mainstream news in the US is skin deep. The number of people who read the longer analytical pieces rounds to zero.
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The Trump accountants and their participation in setting up fraudulent tax schemes for the family business over decades is old news. People have short memories; especially when there is a never ending stream of chaos pouring from the White House.
https://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-shadowy-accountants-who-do-trumps-taxes-and-help-him-seem-richer-than-he-is (https://www.propublica.org/article/meet-the-shadowy-accountants-who-do-trumps-taxes-and-help-him-seem-richer-than-he-is)
Meet the Shadowy Accountants Who Do Trump’s Taxes and Help Him Seem Richer Than He Is
The Supreme Court fight over Donald Trump’s tax returns has pushed his accounting firm into the limelight. In various episodes over 30 years, partners — including the CEO — have run into trouble for fraud, misconduct or malpractice.
by Peter Elkind, ProPublica, and Meg Cramer, WNYC, with Doris Burke, ProPublica May 6, 4 a.m. EDT
Excerpts Below
In fact, Trump entrusts his taxes and planning to a tiny, secretive team of CPAs who have operated at various times from humble quarters in Queens and two Long Island office parks. That team, which has had two leaders with back-to-back multidecade terms, has been working for the Trumps since Fred Trump began using the firm back in the 1950s. It was eventually subsumed into Mazars USA, the American arm of a large international firm, through a series of mergers over decades.
One theme has been consistent: partners and sometimes the firm itself have faced accusations of fraud, misconduct and malpractice on multiple occasions, an investigation by ProPublica and WNYC has found.
That pattern dates to the 30 years during which the Trump accounting team was led by Jack Mitnick, whose pugnaciousness was exceeded only by his aversion to his clients paying the IRS. He was the architect of the notorious schemes, revealed by The New York Times, to dodge more than $500 million in gift and inheritance taxes and funnel hundreds of millions from Fred Trump to his children, helping keep Donald Trump afloat through four of his business bankruptcies. Mitnick was known as an accounting star — at least until 1996, when his partners threw him out of the firm amid accusations of fraud and malpractice.
Years of turmoil followed. The firm operated without malpractice insurance for a period and was dogged by feuds — with current and former partners suing each other — and financial problems.
And it ran afoul of regulators. In January of 2004 — one week after “The Apprentice” premiered on NBC — the Securities and Exchange Commission formally censured the firm for willfully aiding and abetting misconduct. The SEC suspended one partner from practicing before it for four years for what the agency called “highly unreasonable” and “improper professional conduct.”
Since Trump’s accountants merged their practice into Mazars in 2010, they have been present for Trump’s scandals, too. Mazars accountants prepared the tax returns for the Donald J. Trump Foundation, forced to shut down and ordered to pay more than $2 million in damages after a New York attorney general’s investigation exposed a history of illegal self-dealing. And the Manhattan DA’s office, which is investigating whether the Trump Organization falsified its business records to cover up hush-money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, subpoenaed not only Trump’s tax returns but also various internal records and assessments prepared by Mazars.
Today, the CEO of Mazars USA is the same partner who was suspended by the SEC for four years for improper conduct. (Mazars defends its CEO, saying he meets all ethical and professional standards, and asserts that the firm has encountered no more sanctions or litigation than other comparable firms.)
The Mazars accountants were complicit in the foundation’s illegal practices, according to Marcus Owens, an attorney and expert in nonprofit law who ran the IRS’ exempt-organizations division for a decade. “I cannot fathom how they would not know,” he said. Owens called the firm’s role in the foundation’s misconduct “extraordinary. ... I’ve been practicing charity law for 45 years, including 25 at the IRS, and I’ve never seen anything like it.” Added Owens: “This is aiding and abetting someone doing something that is in clear violation of federal tax law. It really calls into question what’s going on with every other tax return that firm prepared.”
The greatest revelations also may not be contained in the tax returns themselves, which will lack detail about Trump and his businesses, but in the thousands of pages of other materials that Congress and the DA have also subpoenaed. These include the hundreds of corporate returns, also prepared by Mazars, detailing Trump’s investments, his debts, his sources of income and his partners. Equally important, the accountants’ work papers and communications with the Trump Organization could reveal unguarded internal assessments and exchanges about his finances.
So where are the convictions of Donald Trump for fraud? More BS from Mr. Talk
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So where are the convictions of Donald Trump for fraud? More BS from Mr. Talk
You have to view things in context. How many white collar crooks get caught and jailed? There was that guy from Enron once, I think, ....
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If James O’Keefe ever manages to expose anything, it will be himself—most likely to another lawsuit or another conviction.
https://www.businessinsider.com/james-okeefe-project-veritas-sting-fails-2017-11 (https://www.businessinsider.com/james-okeefe-project-veritas-sting-fails-2017-11)
https://www.theatlantic.com/The Bad Faith of James O'Keefe (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/james-okeefe/546869/)
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/ (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HyxZLt8O3WQJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/)
"O'Keefe's criminal record has caused the charity problems in some states. Mississippi and Utah stripped the group of a license to raise money in those states because it failed to disclose O'Keefe's conviction on state applications, records show."
"Also working at Veritas is former television producer Robert J. Halderman, who was sentenced to six months in jail in 2010 after he was accused of trying to blackmail late-night host David Letterman. Halderman was with O'Keefe outside the Project Veritas offices Monday as a reporter tried to ask about Phillips's role with the organization."
I see you can't refute the claims by Veritas in this instance. So instead you go directly to shooting the source.
Pretty weak stuff here Mr. Talk. Google is not really your friend after all.
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You have to view things in context. How many white collar crooks get caught and jailed? There was that guy from Enron once, I think, ....
Lots and they have been looking at Trump and his companies for 30 years according to Mr. Talk. Its easy to make wild claims. Much harder to prove them. And if Mr. Talk could have proved them he would have. Instead all he has left...once again...is innuendo.
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It seems to me that the whole point of business acumen in the case of a privately held company is to provide wealth and income to the owner and his or her family. It appears that Trumps is doing that nicely, and finding a ways to avoid taxes, which pretty much every person alive tries to do.
Yet, he campaigned on cleaning up the tax code back in 2016. He didn't even do away with the carried interest loophole that benefits his hedge fund friends. Anyone who has had real estate holdings realizes the tax code is meant to be abused. If you look at some of the deductions Trump has taken it is quite laughable. He even paid his daughter as a consultant and then wrote off the 'exact' same amount as a deduction. How many of us could do the same. Most of this golf courses are unprofitable as is his hotel in DC. The huge refund he claimed over a decade ago continues to be under audit. Why?
If he doesn't like the NY Times story he can easily clear things up by releasing his tax returns for the years in question.
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Really! Who chooses the expensive attorneys and accountants, and on what basis is the choice made. Doesn't this require business acumen?
Not really. the question is how close to the tax law does one want to come. Real estate tax law is a total joke in the US. Everytime a building changes hands, the depreciation begins all over again. why do you think hotel building so frequently flip to a new brand? It's all about the depreciation. I would have taken Trump more seriously if he and Mnuchin had drawn some hard lines in the sand on the tax reform legislation in 2017. That he did not speaks to his grifter mentality.
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Yet, he campaigned on cleaning up the tax code back in 2016. He didn't even do away with the carried interest loophole that benefits his hedge fund friends. Anyone who has had real estate holdings realizes the tax code is meant to be abused. If you look at some of the deductions Trump has taken it is quite laughable. He even paid his daughter as a consultant and then wrote off the 'exact' same amount as a deduction. How many of us could do the same. Most of this golf courses are unprofitable as is his hotel in DC. The huge refund he claimed over a decade ago continues to be under audit. Why?
If he doesn't like the NY Times story he can easily clear things up by releasing his tax returns for the years in question.
Well Alan the IRS has been looking at him for years. Still waiting to see what they have on him or not Why is it taking so long? You need to ask the IRS about that. I'm not shocked at all to see his properties are not profitable at this time. He was once the darling of the LEFT and then he was not. They have waged a war for three years to take him down b y any means possible including financially. Which is pretty crappy if you ask me, but then again its the Left we are talking about. That it effected his venues is not a surprise. He may be the only President not to get rich by by being in office. Now he has Covid trashing entertainment and travel businesses as well. I suspect that he along with a bunch of others in the same industries will be in the same boat.
Last I looked the tax laws in the US are not written by the President, but rather by Congress. If you don't like the tax laws, lobby Congress change them. Don't get pissed that someone uses the tax laws to save a buck. Why I imagine even you do that, don't you Alan? I know I do. After all it seems like an American Tradition.
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Last I looked the tax laws in the US are not written by the President, but rather by Congress. If you don't like the tax laws, lobby Congress change them. Don't get pissed that someone uses the tax laws to save a buck. Why I imagine even you do that, don't you Alan? I know I do. After all it seems like an American Tradition.
I haven't deducted my haircuts as a business expense. Perhaps I should have. That won't be a big deal this year. My wife has been doing it. Like restaurants, I may never go back to the barber again. Funny how things change. You adapt. Life goes on.
Is there any news on the $200 Rx debit cards Trump is supposed to be handing out to seniors? He'd better hurry, the election is almost upon us, and I have a couple of prescriptions to fill. I have given up on another $1200 check from Congress. So much for new tires.
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Well Alan the IRS has been looking at him for years. Still waiting to see what they have on him or not Why is it taking so long? You need to ask the IRS about that. I'm not shocked at all to see his properties are not profitable at this time. He was once the darling of the LEFT and then he was not. They have waged a war for three years to take him down b y any means possible including financially. Which is pretty crappy if you ask me, but then again its the Left we are talking about. That it effected his venues is not a surprise. He may be the only President not to get rich by by being in office. Now he has Covid trashing entertainment and travel businesses as well. I suspect that he along with a bunch of others in the same industries will be in the same boat.
Last I looked the tax laws in the US are not written by the President, but rather by Congress. If you don't like the tax laws, lobby Congress change them. Don't get pissed that someone uses the tax laws to save a buck. Why I imagine even you do that, don't you Alan? I know I do. After all it seems like an American Tradition.
The "letter of the law" argument has its place. I hope this means that we won't hear any more whining about Biden's son. :)
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Historical parallels are fun. I heard a couple on this podcast, https://www.npr.org/2020/08/26/906212220/how-reagan-changed-conservatism (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/26/906212220/how-reagan-changed-conservatism).
The intro blurb, "Historian Rick Perlstein has spent 20 years studying the roots of American conservatism. His latest book, 'Reaganland,' is about the events that propelled Ronald Reagan to the White House and made him a revered figure among Republicans. He says that "viciousness and a naked will to power" has always been part of the conservative Republican coalition."
Two historical episodes stick out from the discussion. When Reagan was hot to trot on the miracle cancer cure Laetrile that wasn't, he came down on the FDA, threatening to curtail their powers because they were holding up the cure and because they were being inefficient by slowing down Big Pharma. Sound familiar?
A second historical parallel was the emphasis placed on Jimmy Carter's unwholesome brother Billy, who had ties to Libya and other unsavoury types, and for which no link at all had ever been uncovered to President Carter. Nevertheless, hay was made of that, as if Billy was Jimmy's problem.
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I haven't deducted my haircuts as a business expense. Perhaps I should have. That won't be a big deal this year. My wife has been doing it. Like restaurants, I may never go back to the barber again. Funny how things change. You adapt. Life goes on.
Is there any news on the $200 Rx debit cards Trump is supposed to be handing out to seniors? He'd better hurry, the election is almost upon us, and I have a couple of prescriptions to fill.
You just don't know how to play the game. Pay your wife $200 per cut and deduct that as a business expense. Meals she cooks...surely they can bet you $250 deductions per meal. Ger with it man...that's how this game is played.
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To date, Trump has only been ordered by a court to pay a $2 Million dollar penalty for illegally using charitable funds from his foundation for personal, political, and business purposes, dissolve the charity bearing his name and distribute the remaining funds to court approved legitimate charities, required to agree to 19 admissions acknowledging his personal misuse of funds at the Trump Foundation, and agreed to restrictions on future charitable service. That was just to settle the civil suit against the charity. It doesn't prevent criminal charges from being filed after he leaves office over his fraudulent and illegal misuse of charitable funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation)
The well documented family business fraud, which was reported at length and in depth by the New York Times in a Pulitzer Prize winning article, is still under investigation as Trump hides behind his office resisting subpoenas for documents. Then there's the campaign finance fraud for which Michael Cohen was convicted and Trump was named as Individual-1. There are also the revelations from Cohen that properties were given radically different valuations for tax purposes and bank loans, which opens up potential bank fraud as well as tax fraud charges. It will be interesting to see where the investigations lead after he's no longer sitting in the White House.
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I haven't deducted my haircuts as a business expense. Perhaps I should have. That won't be a big deal this year. My wife has been doing it. Like restaurants, I may never go back to the barber again. Funny how things change. You adapt. Life goes on.
Is there any news on the $200 Rx debit cards Trump is supposed to be handing out to seniors? He'd better hurry, the election is almost upon us, and I have a couple of prescriptions to fill. I have given up on another $1200 check from Congress.
From what I gather Trump considers himself the Brand and as such he deducts everthing based on that theory. So far it seems its legal. When you become big enough to be a Brand, then maybe you can deduct your haircuts.
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To date, Trump has only been ordered by a court to pay a $2 Million dollar penalty for illegally using charitable funds from his foundation for personal, political, and business purposes, dissolve the charity bearing his name and distribute the remaining funds to court approved legitimate charities, required to agree to 19 admissions acknowledging his personal misuse of funds at the Trump Foundation, and agreed to restrictions on future charitable service. That was just to settle the civil suit against the charity. It doesn't prevent criminal charges from being filed after he leaves office over his fraudulent and illegal misuse of charitable funds.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation)
The well documented family business fraud, which was reported at length and in depth by the New York Times in a Pulitzer Prize winning article, is still under investigation as Trump hides behind his office resisting subpoenas for documents. Then there's the campaign finance fraud for which Michael Cohen was convicted and Trump was named as Individual-1. There are also the revelations from Cohen that properties were given radically different valuations for tax purposes and bank loans, which opens up potential bank fraud as well as tax fraud charges. It will be interesting to see where the investigations lead after he's no longer sitting in the White House.
Still stuck with innuedno I see. All those words and yet nothing. SOP.
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Still stuck with innuedno I see. All those words and yet nothing. SOP.
Wait.. what part of, "...ordered by a court to pay a $2 Million dollar penalty for illegally using charitable funds from his foundation for personal, political, and business purposes.." is "innuendo" and "nothing?"
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Wait.. what part of, "...ordered by a court to pay a $2 Million dollar penalty for illegally using charitable funds from his foundation for personal, political, and business purposes.." is "innuendo" and "nothing?"
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From another post of mine to Mr Talk...
"So where are the convictions of Donald Trump for fraud?"
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I believe the Times reports could be a turning point in the election. The Trumpers forget that Trump won in 2016 not on total votes (he got fewer than Mrs. Clinton) but by winning by very narrow margins in a few critical states. For the Democrats to win the election, all they have to do is hold the states that they won last time -- and they will do that, not even close -- and then convince a fraction of 1% of the voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin to vote for Biden rather than Trump. Trump won all of those states by less than 1%.
It's frustrating to be living in a non-battleground state with few electoral votes, because we really don't get to see the campaign, which is focused in those important states. I think Biden will win if he (1) simply pounds on the obvious: more than 200,000 dead, which total could have been radically reduced if Trump had simply urged people to wear masks. That would have cost him nothing, but he refuses to do it. (2) $750 in income tax payments in 2015 and 2016, no tax payments at all in ten of the last fifteen years. (3) He wants to end Obamacare. (4) He wants to destroy the Post Office. (5) His plan to reduce Social Security payments for people who are still working will damage Social Security.
If the Democrats hammer on those things, I believe they'll win and probably flip the Senate. It's frustrating to live in a place that is a lock for Biden, and not be able to see first hand what the campaigns are doing in the critical states.
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From another post of mine to Mr Talk...
"So where are the convictions of Donald Trump for fraud?"
I must be misunderstanding, because you seem to be implying that without a criminal conviction there's no problem, despite a multi-million dollar civil judgment predicated on illegal activity. Do I have that right?
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I believe the Times reports could be a turning point in the election. The Trumpers forget that Trump won in 2016 not on total votes (he got fewer than Mrs. Clinton) but by winning by very narrow margins in a few critical states. For the Democrats to win the election, all they have to do is hold the states that they won last time -- and they will do that, not even close -- and then convince a fraction of 1% of the voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin to vote for Biden rather than Trump. Trump won all of those states by less than 1%.
It's frustrating to be living in a non-battleground state with few electoral votes, because we really don't get to see the campaign, which is focused in those important states. I think Biden will win if he (1) simply pounds on the obvious: more than 200,000 dead, which total could have been radically reduced if Trump had simply urged people to wear masks. That would have cost him nothing, but he refuses to do it. (2) $750 in income tax payments in 2015 and 2016, no tax payments at all in ten of the last fifteen years. (3) He wants to end Obamacare. (4) He wants to destroy the Post Office. (5) His plan to reduce Social Security payments for people who are still working will damage Social Security.
If the Democrats hammer on those things, I believe they'll win and probably flip the Senate. It's frustrating to live in a place that is a lock for Biden, and not be able to see first hand what the campaigns are doing in the critical states.
A lot will turn on the debate tomorrow night. The grocery store will deliver my popcorn later this afternoon.
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A lot will turn on the debate tomorrow night. The grocery store will deliver my popcorn later this afternoon.
That reminds me I need to swing by the liquor store.
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I must be misunderstanding, because you seem to be implying that without a criminal conviction there's no problem, despite a multi-million dollar civil judgment predicated on illegal activity. Do I have that right?
Not at all. Mr Talk has surmised that Trump could be guilty of Fraud. I asked for examples of Trump being convicted of Fraud. Mr Talk could only provide innuendo, as in Trump might or could be convicted of fraud ( never mind he had yet to be charged with Fraud) someday after he leaves office.
That seems pretty clear to me.
I’ll leave problem or no problem when it comes to a Fraud indictment of Trump to the courts.
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Is this a good idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCJRsyF8-xs
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The intro blurb, "Historian Rick Perlstein has spent 20 years studying the roots of American conservatism. His latest book, 'Reaganland,' is about the events that propelled Ronald Reagan to the White House and made him a revered figure among Republicans. He says that "viciousness and a naked will to power" has always been part of the conservative Republican coalition."
That podcast "blurb" is idiotic.
While it's true that the Reagan "revolution" swept into government some non-traditional, non-establishment Republicans―Reagan probably was not always aware of the oddities of some of his followers and perhaps, in fact, already may have been suffering at the beginning of his presidential term from the dementia that ultimately killed him―during most of the 20th Century and the early years of the 21st, the Republican Party probably could best have been characterized as center-right, internationalist, and dedicated to restraint in the use of federal power.
The American "conservative" position was and continues to have an even broader base, encompassing libertarian skepticism about the exercise of government authority, deregulation of commercial activity during the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, and a methodological preference for legislative over executive or judicial action and for state (localized) over federal (national) statutory enactments.
And now for something completely different: Trumpism. It's neither Republican nor conservative by any plausible stretch of the imagination. It's a classical populist movement, probably aligned more closely to the left wing of the Democratic Party than to any faction within the Republican Party except evangelicals obsessed with federal abortion policy and "social issues" such as gay marriage, both of which have limited traction among the public at large.
Oh, yes: and immigration―an issue that pits the Trumpisitos directly against the business interests that have traditionally been at the center of the Republican Party.
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I think this is more of what is going on.
[link deleted]
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The court ordered civil penalty of $2 Million dollars for illegal charity fraud was small change compared to the $25 Million paid by Trump in settlement of the Trump University civil lawsuit for fraud.
New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman released the following statement upon U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel’s order finalizing the $25 million Trump University settlement:
“Judge Curiel's order finalizing the $25 million Trump University settlement means that victims of Donald Trump’s fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve. We are particularly pleased that the final settlement we negotiated with class counsel ensures that members of the class will receive an even higher settlement than anyone originally anticipated.
This settlement marked a stunning reversal by President Trump, who for years refused to compensate the victims of his sham university.
My office won’t hesitate to hold those who commit fraud accountable, no matter how rich or powerful they may be.”
In 2013, Attorney General Schneiderman sued Donald Trump for swindling thousands of Americans out of millions of dollars through Trump University. In late 2016, Attorney General Schneiderman and class counsel announced a $25 million settlement in the Trump University case.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-schneiderman-statement-final-trump-university-settlement (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-schneiderman-statement-final-trump-university-settlement)
As I've made clear (to most), the fraud cases I've noted have been civil cases brought by States which have cost Trump millions in court ordered penalty for illegal charity activity or agreed to in a civil fraud settlement. Other cases of fraud have been reported thru in-depth and well documented journalism or are currently under investigation.
As I said, It will be interesting to see where the investigations lead after he's no longer sitting in the White House. Nowhere have I said that Trump has been convicted of criminal fraud. That would be nothing more than a transparent non sequitur meant to distract from the actual recent civil cases and the ongoing reporting and investigations.
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And now for something completely different: Trumpism.
I am not sure whatever it is that Trump is for or against today rises to the level of an "-ism".
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From what I gather Trump considers himself the Brand and as such he deducts everthing based on that theory. So far it seems its legal. When you become big enough to be a Brand, then maybe you can deduct your haircuts.
I wonder what the threshold is for being a brand. And what the difference is between a Brand and a brand.
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The court ordered civil penalty of $2 Million dollars for illegal charity fraud was small change compared to the $25 Million paid by Trump in settlement of the Trump University civil lawsuit for fraud.
New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman released the following statement upon U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel’s order finalizing the $25 million Trump University settlement:
“Judge Curiel's order finalizing the $25 million Trump University settlement means that victims of Donald Trump’s fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve. We are particularly pleased that the final settlement we negotiated with class counsel ensures that members of the class will receive an even higher settlement than anyone originally anticipated.
This settlement marked a stunning reversal by President Trump, who for years refused to compensate the victims of his sham university.
My office won’t hesitate to hold those who commit fraud accountable, no matter how rich or powerful they may be.”
In 2013, Attorney General Schneiderman sued Donald Trump for swindling thousands of Americans out of millions of dollars through Trump University. In late 2016, Attorney General Schneiderman and class counsel announced a $25 million settlement in the Trump University case.
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-schneiderman-statement-final-trump-university-settlement (https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-schneiderman-statement-final-trump-university-settlement)
As I've made clear (to most), the fraud cases I've noted have been civil cases brought by States which have cost Trump millions in court ordered penalty for illegal charity activity or agreed to in a civil fraud settlement. Other cases of fraud have been reported thru in-depth and well documented journalism or are currently under investigation.
As I said, It will be interesting to see where the investigations lead after he's no longer sitting in the White House. Nowhere have I said that Trump has been convicted of criminal fraud. That would be nothing more than a transparent non sequitur meant to distract from the actual recent civil cases and the ongoing reporting and investigations.
Still can’t find those criminal fraud cases can you? Oh I’m sorry, it’s the best you can do, though still wanting and leaving you grasping at straws that “ someday” maybe it will happen. But you have the Lawsuits....Lawsuits ! Great work.
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We need these guys more than ever. [link deleted] Where is the love?
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That's why I just keep posting videos of people being shot out of a cannon (don't have spell check). The sad part is I don't think this site would last without this discussion. We might as well argue over religion. The sad part is we all want the same thing but have vastly different experiences. But I guess that is what being intelligent is all about. At this point I hate you all! Spineless. Spiritually Bankrupt. Conditioned to be Robuts.
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Well Alan the IRS has been looking at him for years. Still waiting to see what they have on him or not Why is it taking so long?
I am sure that the fact that Trump is President has nothing to do with that. He would never try to use his position for his own advantage...
Last I looked the tax laws in the US are not written by the President, but rather by Congress. If you don't like the tax laws, lobby Congress change them. Don't get pissed that someone uses the tax laws to save a buck. Why I imagine even you do that, don't you Alan? I know I do. After all it seems like an American Tradition.
Certainly, why would a President want to act ethically and as an example for Americans?
Why on earth should a billionaire pay taxes?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Let us remember that Trump has said on national television that the allegations contained in the NYT story regarding his federal income taxes are not true, that they are fake news. Are they?
At this point, I am more interested in whether he is lying or telling the truth.
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Let us remember that Trump has said on national television that the allegations contained in the NYT story regarding his federal income taxes are not true, that they are fake news. Are they?
At this point, I am more interested in whether he is lying or telling the truth.
Who is to blame for nobody believe anything he says?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#691994666128)
TOPLINE The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.
KEY FACTS
• “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.
• It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”
• The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically homing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.
CRUCIAL QUOTE
By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”
KEY BACKGROUND
Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.
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We need these guys more than ever. [link deleted] Where is the love?
I've told you and others before: don't post links without explaining what they are.
Jeremy
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Trump always surrounds himself with the best people.
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Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#691994666128)
TOPLINE The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.
KEY FACTS
• “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.
• It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”
• The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically homing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.
CRUCIAL QUOTE
By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”
KEY BACKGROUND
Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.
Another never trumper throwing dirt. What great timing!
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In the interest of fairness :) and to make sure allegations represent both sides....
https://thetexan.news/biden-campaign-operative-texas-state-senator-accused-of-mail-in-ballot-fraud/
Biden Campaign Operative, Texas State Senator Accused of Mail-in Ballot Fraud
Witnesses allege Texas Sen. Boris Miles and Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis were orchestrating a ballot harvesting scheme with help from Biden campaign official Dallas Jones.
New affidavits filed with the Supreme Court of Texas (SCOTX) Monday allege a coordinated ballot harvesting operation in Harris County.
The two testimonials specifically name state Senator Boris Miles (D-Houston) and Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis (D-Pct. 1) as leaders of an election fraud scheme that involves stealing absentee ballots from nursing homes and forging voter signatures.
Another individual named is Dallas Jones, a political operative overseeing Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s Harris County operation.
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Trump campaign wants to examine Biden's ears for electronic device during debate
https://thehill.com/campaign-issues/518736-trump-campaign-wants-to-examine-bidens-ears-for-electronic-device-during
How about the guy in the audience with those flags?
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I am sure that the fact that Trump is President has nothing to do with that. He would never try to use his position for his own advantage...
Certainly, why would a President want to act ethically and as an example for Americans?
Why on earth should a billionaire pay taxes?
Cheers,
Bernard
Any American who pays taxes he doesn't have to pay is a schmuck. Who wants a schmuck for president?
Any accountant who fails to take legal tax deductions is also a schmuck and should be fired.
By the way, Trump for four years has donated his $400,000 annual salary as president back to different government agencies such as Homeland Security to help build the wall, Surgeon General's office to help fight the opioid epidemic, and charity groups like the National Association of Alcohol and Drug Abuse, etc. His older brother Fred died from alcoholism. Yes, I'm back. I guess I miss you guys. :)
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Any American who pays taxes he doesn't have to pay is a schmuck. Who wants a schmuck for president?
Any accountant who fails to take legal tax deductions is also a schmuck and should be fired.
By the way, Trump for four years has donated his $400,000 annual salary as president back to different government agencies such as Homeland Security to help build the wall, Surgeon General's office to help fight the opioid epidemic, and charity groups like the National Association of Alcohol and Drug Abuse, etc. His older brother Fred died from alcoholism. Yes, I'm back. I guess I miss you guys. :)
Wow, that $400,000 goes a long way. :)
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PS. Obama kept his salary.
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Wow, that $400,000 goes a long way. :)
You're right. For a very rich billionaire businessman like Trump, it's chump change. But still. It shows he has a heart.
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PS. Obama kept his salary.
I'm appalled.
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I'm appalled.
Obama needed it. Unlike business titan Trump, he was a community organizer.
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Obama needed it. Unlike business titan Trump, he was a community organizer.
Makes me laugh.
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Makes me laugh.
Thanks for biting.
You can't have it both ways. If he isn't a business titan like you claim, and is always losing money at business, then you cannot complain about him applying legal business losses and real-estate write-offs from his taxes.
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Not at all. Mr Talk has surmised that Trump could be guilty of Fraud. I asked for examples of Trump being convicted of Fraud. Mr Talk could only provide innuendo, as in Trump might or could be convicted of fraud ( never mind he had yet to be charged with Fraud) someday after he leaves office.
Yes, 'most' of his US tax returns are probably OK given how bad our tax code is in terms of allowing special preferences for real estate holdings. The one area that he is likely sweating is the $70 million special refund he claimed back in 2009. this is the one that is still unresolved and according to the reports still with the Joint Committee on Taxation. We don't know whether the IRS has made a ruling on this or not. Don't you find it interesting that after 10 years, this case has not been resolved? He has two major problems coming up. the first is the repayment of the $400 million in debt he owes. It is not likely that he will be able to refinance that debt. American banks long ago quit doing business with him. He was bailed out by a special group at Deutsche Bank that works with high wealth individuals after the commercial group turned down his original loan request. Senior management at the bank did not know he was extended credit. I doubt he can go back to that well. He has already sold almost all the marketable securities in his account to cover debt three years ago. The only way out for him to cover the $400 million is through asset sales and most of those are now devalued as they are unprofitable.
The second area he is at risk is in New York state where there is documented inflation of property values for the purposes of securing loans and deflation of the property for the purposes of local taxation. This of course is fraud in most jurisdictions. He is also running a risk with the mansion outside of New York that was used as a residence for the family but claimed to be an investment property. If it is a residence they can only get a $10K property tax deduction. By claiming it is an investment property they get to deduct the full amount. this is the subject of the subpoena Eric Trump has to address shortly.
My complaint is that he campaigned in 2016 on fixing the tax code and making sure everyone paid a fair share. He did nothing of the kind.
If you like him as an unconventional politician as some on this forum do, that is fine. If you don't believe that he is a grifter, you are quite wrong.
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Apparently, in New York, you can only be committed for 60 days. Then they have to let you out. Which explains why Rudy Giuliana popped up out of nowhere this morning on Fox & Friends to share his thoughts about Biden and tonight's debate. It is a pretty hilarious read.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-hosts-look-on-in-horror-as-rudy-giuliani-blurts-out-biden-dementia-conspiracy-theory
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Yes, 'most' of his US tax returns are probably OK given how bad our tax code is in terms of allowing special preferences for real estate holdings. The one area that he is likely sweating is the $70 million special refund he claimed back in 2009. this is the one that is still unresolved and according to the reports still with the Joint Committee on Taxation. We don't know whether the IRS has made a ruling on this or not. Don't you find it interesting that after 10 years, this case has not been resolved? He has two major problems coming up. the first is the repayment of the $400 million in debt he owes. It is not likely that he will be able to refinance that debt. American banks long ago quit doing business with him. He was bailed out by a special group at Deutsche Bank that works with high wealth individuals after the commercial group turned down his original loan request. Senior management at the bank did not know he was extended credit. I doubt he can go back to that well. He has already sold almost all the marketable securities in his account to cover debt three years ago. The only way out for him to cover the $400 million is through asset sales and most of those are now devalued as they are unprofitable.
The second area he is at risk is in New York state where there is documented inflation of property values for the purposes of securing loans and deflation of the property for the purposes of local taxation. This of course is fraud in most jurisdictions. He is also running a risk with the mansion outside of New York that was used as a residence for the family but claimed to be an investment property. If it is a residence they can only get a $10K property tax deduction. By claiming it is an investment property they get to deduct the full amount. this is the subject of the subpoena Eric Trump has to address shortly.
My complaint is that he campaigned in 2016 on fixing the tax code and making sure everyone paid a fair share. He did nothing of the kind.
If you like him as an unconventional politician as some on this forum do, that is fine. If you don't believe that he is a grifter, you are quite wrong.
The $70 million he already paid. He applied for a refund when Obama changed the tax laws. The irony of that is really funny. :) He hasn't gotten back the $70 million as the IRS hasn't ruled on it. If I thought I was entitled to a $70 million refund, I'd apply for it and wait for the IRS to rule. So would you. That's not illegal.
Second, claiming higher valuations is hard to prove as a crime. These things happen all the time because it's difficult to determine valuations in the real estate market. How would one appraise valuation of a NY skyscraper with Covid going on? It might be half of last year's valuation, maybe two-thirds or something else. It's a guess. If I was using the building as collateral for a loan, I would use the old higher price. If there's a dispute, these things get negotiated and at worst the taxpayer pays the difference and there's penalty and interest. They don't go to jail.
FInally, the $10K property deduction is a new law only came out last year. Even if he misclaimed it, and I don't know anything about it other then your post, again these things are adjusted and the taxpayer pays the difference. With a guy like TRump with 500 businesses, there's probably all kinds of disagreements as to what can and cannot be claimed as deductions. When I was in business, NYS did a sales tax audit on my firm and came up with underpayment of $600 for a three year period which is nothing. We missed a few things. Big deal. If it could happen with a tiny bunesess like mine, there must be loads of issues with a guy with 500 businesses. That's why he's always being audited.
Since this is a photo forum, B&H is being sued by NYS tax authority for not paying about $7 million in sales taxes. That's a civil case in Supreme Court I believe, not a criminal case. B&H claims they didn't have to pay it. The bigshot owners apparently agree not to pay the tax. That doesn't make them crooks. It's a difference in belief as to what the tax code is interpreted as. That's why we have Tax Courts to decide these things. Rarely do these things go to criminal court unless it's political like what's in the papers today regarding Trump. Just a smear campaign before the election by the anti-Trump NY Times.
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Apparently, in New York, you can only be committed for 60 days. Then they have to let you out. Which explains why Rudy Giuliana popped up out of nowhere this morning on Fox & Friends to share his thoughts about Biden and tonight's debate. It is a pretty hilarious read.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-hosts-look-on-in-horror-as-rudy-giuliani-blurts-out-biden-dementia-conspiracy-theory
Well, they're letting Biden out of his basement for the night so he can debate.
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Goldhammer was right. When the moderator starts taking sides and insulting the posters, it's time to go.
Let’s see if you manage to keep your word this time.
He’s back !
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Yes, 'most' of his US tax returns are probably OK given how bad our tax code is in terms of allowing special preferences for real estate holdings. The one area that he is likely sweating is the $70 million special refund he claimed back in 2009. this is the one that is still unresolved and according to the reports still with the Joint Committee on Taxation. We don't know whether the IRS has made a ruling on this or not. Don't you find it interesting that after 10 years, this case has not been resolved? He has two major problems coming up. the first is the repayment of the $400 million in debt he owes. It is not likely that he will be able to refinance that debt. American banks long ago quit doing business with him. He was bailed out by a special group at Deutsche Bank that works with high wealth individuals after the commercial group turned down his original loan request. Senior management at the bank did not know he was extended credit. I doubt he can go back to that well. He has already sold almost all the marketable securities in his account to cover debt three years ago. The only way out for him to cover the $400 million is through asset sales and most of those are now devalued as they are unprofitable.
The second area he is at risk is in New York state where there is documented inflation of property values for the purposes of securing loans and deflation of the property for the purposes of local taxation. This of course is fraud in most jurisdictions. He is also running a risk with the mansion outside of New York that was used as a residence for the family but claimed to be an investment property. If it is a residence they can only get a $10K property tax deduction. By claiming it is an investment property they get to deduct the full amount. this is the subject of the subpoena Eric Trump has to address shortly.
My complaint is that he campaigned in 2016 on fixing the tax code and making sure everyone paid a fair share. He did nothing of the kind.
If you like him as an unconventional politician as some on this forum do, that is fine. If you don't believe that he is a grifter, you are quite wrong.
Documents inflation and devaluation of property values? Documented by who? Cohen??? I don't think a property owner can set the value of his property for tax reasons. The taxing body does that, at least thats how I get assessed and taxed. As for values of property for loan applications, given the large value of those loans its foolish to think the lending institutions did not do due diligence. Maybe they didn't. But my gut says they did. Your indigestion may vary.
Refi - So what, it happens all the time and if he needs to sell assets he can. Its not like he has none. But neother you nor I know what might happen and speculation is useless.
I think the IRS is screwed on this one. They made the rules ( well actually Obama did for this one) and now they are stuck. My guess and its worth almost nothing, is the IRS is trying to find a save face settlement. Trump said the other day the deal was all done and even signed but the IRS changed their minds. Long and short of it, its up to the IRS.
The house, I don't know enough to make a statement, but then again neither do you. He has had this property for some time and filed taxes for all of those years, and now, a paritsan is trying to litigate? Yea, right.
The tax code as I said is before is the charge of the Congress. Deal with it.
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He’s back !
Yeah. I missed you. :)
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At keast
Yeah. I missed you. :)
At least your sense of humour is still intact !
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At keast
At least your sense of humour is still intact !
At keast
At least your sense of humour is still intact !
Well, I hope you're glad I'm back too? Too many dead heads around here with no sense of humor. Got to cheer everyone up. :)
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I watched the first segment of the debate last night before switching it off. I was appalled. Even Trump supporters are speechless.
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I watched the first segment of the debate last night before switching it off. I was appalled. Even Trump supporters are speechless.
The astonishing thing was the moderator was not prepared for Trump's bullying tactics and pushing even him around.
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Found on Twitter - by Katharine Borchert
I’m now watching speeches by Angela #Merkel to regain a sense of normalcy. My therapist does the same and he doesn’t even understand German.
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The astonishing thing was the moderator was not prepared for Trump's bullying tactics and pushing even him around.
I don't know what the moderator, Chris Wallace of Fox News (a competent professional broadcast journalist, not a Fox commentator), could have been expected to do to stop a president of the United States who was behaving like an unruly 12-year-old from acting up. Wallace repeatedly asked both candidates to stop interrupting each other, and told Trump to his face that he was the worse offender. The format was designed by the Commission on Presidential Debates (https://www.debates.org/), a non-governmental organization that has been managing these events since 1988 and, in retrospect, it might have been a good precaution to have arranged to cut the microphone of whichever candidate didn't have the floor.
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They need a moderator-controlled switch that only allows one debater mic to be on at a time.
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...in retrospect, it might have been a good precaution to have arranged to cut the microphone of whichever candidate didn't have the floor.
It appears to me that the candidates are close enough together that they could hear each other without the microphones. The microphones are for the benefit of the audience and the viewers at home. If you turn off the microphone of the candidate that does not have the floor, he could still heckle the other candidate and the audience and viewers at home wouldn't know it. Maybe a plexiglass barrier between the candidates. I think we are beyond expecting the candidates to abide by the rules voluntarily. After last night's debate, I don't think there is any reason to hold the other debates anyway. I think everyone has seen what they need to see. Are we just curious to see if a physical altercation will break out? We've already seen Trump in action.
https://youtu.be/jkghtyxZ6rc?t=9
Seriously, how could anyone be undecided at this point?
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I have not watched one of these debates since the Clinton/Bush/Perot one back in 1992, I have not missed anything at all. I find that the recaps from Colbert, Fallon, Kimmel, and Noah provide the best commentaries.
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The microphones are for the benefit of the audience and the viewers at home. If you turn off the microphone of the candidate that does not have the floor, he could still heckle the other candidate and the audience and viewers at home wouldn't know it. Maybe a plexiglass barrier between the candidates.
Bring back the isolation booths that were used in the 1950s quiz shows!!!
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They need a moderator-controlled switch that only allows one debater mic to be on at a time.
That's what Biden proposed.
The 90-minute debate on Tuesday night was chaotic, marred by the Republican president’s constant interjections and interruptions of both his Democratic rival and the host, as well as Biden’s angry rejoinders. The Commission on Presidential Debates, a nonpartisan group that has organized the events since 1988, said it would make unspecified changes to the format to prevent chaos.
“Last night’s debate made clear that additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues,” the group said in a statement, adding that it is “carefully considering the changes that it will adopt and will announce those measures shortly.”
Biden said in a campaign stop on Wednesday that he hoped organizers of future debates would be able to turn off the microphone of the candidate who is not speaking.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debates/next-trump-biden-debate-will-have-new-rules-to-aid-orderly-discussion-idUSKBN26L3DA?il=0
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Best one line from all the reviews of the debate last night comes from TV critic Hank Steuver of the Washington Post, "Trump’s lone asset (besides a bronzer glow-up to a bizarre shade of crayon that isn’t yet included in the box) was the energy and ferocity with which he interrupted Biden’s attempts to answer."
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Bring back the isolation booths that were used in the 1950s quiz shows!!!
The Cone of Silence !
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There were no winners in the chaotic mayhem last night. There were many losers, among them were... dignity, decency, and most of all—democracy.
Among the many extraordinary obligations of the office, the President of the United States is responsible for setting the tone for the nation's political discourse... and he has... for four long miserable years. Last night, when that tone was of special importance, we saw what he wants that tone to be.
Beyond that, I have nothing further to say at the moment. I'm simply too depressed and disgusted by the ongoing, accelerating, and intentional sabotage and destruction of civil discourse on which democracy is dependent.
The enemies of democracy and especially the United States are celebrating today.
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There were no winners in the chaotic mayhem last night. There were many losers, among them were... dignity, decency, and most of all—democracy.
Among the many extraordinary obligations of the office, the President of the United States is responsible for setting the tone for the nation's political discourse... and he has... for 4-long miserable years. Last night when that tone was of special importance, we saw what he wants that tone to be.
Beyond that, I have nothing further to say at the moment. I'm simply too depressed and disgusted by the ongoing, accelerating, and intentional sabotage and destruction of civil discourse on which democracy is dependent.
The enemies of democracy and especially the United States are celebrating today.
Amen.
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There were no winners in the chaotic mayhem last night. There were many losers, among them were... dignity, decency, and most of all—democracy.
Among the many extraordinary obligations of the office, the President of the United States is responsible for setting the tone for the nation's political discourse... and he has... for 4-long miserable years. Last night when that tone was of special importance, we saw what he wants that tone to be.
Beyond that, I have nothing further to say at the moment. I'm simply too depressed and disgusted by the ongoing, accelerating, and intentional sabotage and destruction of civil discourse on which democracy is dependent.
The enemies of democracy and especially the United States are celebrating today.
Oh horseshit. You gotta buck up. If you look outside your house, you won't see any blood in the street. People outside the US, other than the self-appointed appalled, won't give a rat's ass about the debate; in fact, most people in the US don't care much about it. They've got better things to do. I rather enjoyed the spectacle. It was like going to the circus, and besides a pretty large majority of people polled agreed that Biden won, which is a good thing. I thought Trump looked a lot like Tweedledum(b). Best post-debate comment came from the rather proper lady on CNN who exclaimed, "This was a shitshow."
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And just in case anyone thinks that the debate is as low as you can get, I bring you this interview with Michele Bachmann, https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-black-marxists-seek-overthrow-u-s-trump-backer-michele-n1239683 (https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-black-marxists-seek-overthrow-u-s-trump-backer-michele-n1239683), which seems to be in a special category of crazy all its own.
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There were no winners in the chaotic mayhem last night. There were many losers, among them were... dignity, decency, and most of all—democracy.
Among the many extraordinary obligations of the office, the President of the United States is responsible for setting the tone for the nation's political discourse... and he has... for four long miserable years. Last night, when that tone was of special importance, we saw what he wants that tone to be.
Beyond that, I have nothing further to say at the moment. I'm simply too depressed and disgusted by the ongoing, accelerating, and intentional sabotage and destruction of civil discourse on which democracy is dependent.
The enemies of democracy and especially the United States are celebrating today.
Interestingly it was Joe Biden who started the interuption fest. I guess he wrongly though Trump would be weak kneed like Paul Ryan. He and the country found out other wise.
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Best post-debate comment came from the rather proper lady on CNN who exclaimed, "This was a shitshow."
Pah! Runner-up at best to the official assessment by the Trump campaign, which opined, with an anthropomorphically and metaphorically straight face, that "President Trump just turned in the greatest debate performance in presidential history (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/president-trump-in-charge-biden-weak-in-first-debate), displaying a command of the facts and control of the conversation."
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Oh horseshit. You gotta buck up.
You're certainly right about this. But, I need a brief respite.
People outside the US, other than the self-appointed appalled, won't give a rat's ass about the debate;
There are authoritarian regimes in the world, that have and are currently, actively seeking to undermine democracy, particularly in the West and especially in the United States as the oldest and most powerful democracy. Unwilling to attack the US by force, they seek to undermine our democracy by encouraging chaos, sowing and amplifying division among citizens, distrust in institutions of government, and disillusionment in the democratic process itself. That isn't accomplished all at once, but is a process of damage done brick by brick in hopes of eventually causing collapse or at least a severe weakening of the structure.
The spectacle was that of a President of the United States undermining confidence in the election process, casting doubt on the potential legitimacy of the outcome, refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, encouraging an extremist group of brawlers to "stand by", a weak mumbling response when asked to clearly denounce white supremacists and their militia groups, and degrading an important debate into a complete debasement of dignity and decency. And it wasn't done just in the same places, times, and manners as he has for the last four years, but in the most important and internationally watched forum possible—the first presidential debate mere weeks away from an election. And the chaos that reigned on stage last night left a great many people stunned when it finally and thankfully ended.
So forgive me if I think that the bricks that uphold democracy received a sledgehammer blow last night, still standing but weakened. And yes, I do believe that our enemies are celebrating that event.
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People outside the US, other than the self-appointed appalled, won't give a rat's ass about the debate; in fact, most people in the US don't care much about it.
Outside the US, front page stuff on most of the major European and British rags. Sky News broadcast excerpts extensively and was the subject of much political commentary throughout the day and evening.
It was a shitshow, But Trump is expert at sowing division. Today was a performance to fire up his gun loving populist base. My feeling is he sailed too close to the wind and Giuliani won’t feel this performance gained him points. Expect the next two debates to be different.
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Best one line from all the reviews of the debate last night comes from TV critic Hank Steuver of the Washington Post, "Trump’s lone asset (besides a bronzer glow-up to a bizarre shade of crayon that isn’t yet included in the box) was the energy and ferocity with which he interrupted Biden’s attempts to answer."
Which is why debaters should be allowed to do what they do. It let's the voters know who they are and how they act. For good or bad, we should know these things. It's a big part on why a voter selects one candidate over the other. Artificially shutting them down with mute switches defeats the whole point of the debate - to see them in real action.
We now know what it must have been like when Trump met Xi or Kim or Merkle or whoever and why they don't like him. Maybe why they're afraid of him because of his temper. Maybe that's good in a president. Maybe not. But we should know their style. We don't have to hear policy that much. Everyone knows pretty much where they stand or can read about it in the paper. What you want to see is how they handle themselves mano o mano.
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There were no winners in the chaotic mayhem last night. There were many losers, among them were... dignity, decency, and most of all—democracy.
Among the many extraordinary obligations of the office, the President of the United States is responsible for setting the tone for the nation's political discourse... and he has... for four long miserable years. Last night, when that tone was of special importance, we saw what he wants that tone to be.
Beyond that, I have nothing further to say at the moment. I'm simply too depressed and disgusted by the ongoing, accelerating, and intentional sabotage and destruction of civil discourse on which democracy is dependent.
The enemies of democracy and especially the United States are celebrating today.
The President does set the tone. But so does the Congress that under the control of the Democrats and the former administration tried to destroy his presidency with phony charges of treason, false investigations, and a contrived impeachment. The fact that Trump still got things done despite four years of harassment is pretty amazing. If it wasn't for his toughness, he would have quit already.
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We now know what it must have been like when Trump met Xi or Kim or Merkle or whoever and why they don't like him. Maybe why they're afraid of him because of his temper. Maybe that's good in a president. Maybe not. But we should know their style. We don't have to hear policy that much. Everyone knows pretty much where they stand or can read about it in the paper. What you want to see is how they handle themselves mano o mano.
It's not fear, I suspect that they are repulsed by him.
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It's not fear, I suspect that they are repulsed by him.
I can't imagine Xi or Kim, who regularly kill opponents, getting too repulsed by anyone. Unfortunately, too many previous presidents have been feckless in their dealing with tough leaders. Having a tough President is an advantage. He not running for "most liked leader". Meanwhile he's up for a Nobel for Peace getting two Arab countries to make peace with Israel, with many others to follow. We need a president who is tough, stalwart, relentless, and canny. Who gets the job done. Sure, it would ne nice if his personality was less grating. But we've had presidents like that and many of them have given away the farm.
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Somehow Trump doesn't appear all that tough to me when he's sitting in Putin's lap.
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Best post-debate comment came from the rather proper lady on CNN who exclaimed, "This was a shitshow."
I think you're right. I would give some props to other commentators as well. I liked Brian Williams remark as well... "If that wasn't a mess, it will do until the mess gets here."
https://www.axios.com/dark-event-pundits-react-chaotic-debate-2020-trump-biden (https://www.axios.com/dark-event-pundits-react-chaotic-debate-2020-trump-biden-1befd2fc-cec3-401a-a80f-d95af360a4ff.html)
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Trump certainly showed his true colours, no doubt about that. He’s a bully.
You guys wanna elect a bully to be your leader, go right ahead.
The whole world's watching.
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Which is why debaters should be allowed to do what they do. It let's the voters know who they are and how they act. For good or bad, we should know these things.
Trump's Lies Matter.
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Which is why debaters should be allowed to do what they do. It let's the voters know who they are and how they act. For good or bad, we should know these things. It's a big part on why a voter selects one candidate over the other. Artificially shutting them down with mute switches defeats the whole point of the debate - to see them in real action.
We now know what it must have been like when Trump met Xi or Kim or Merkle or whoever and why they don't like him. Maybe why they're afraid of him because of his temper. Maybe that's good in a president. Maybe not. But we should know their style. We don't have to hear policy that much. Everyone knows pretty much where they stand or can read about it in the paper. What you want to see is how they handle themselves mano o mano.
So at the end of the day it's like a shootout in a western movie.
I think that Putin and Xi must be pleased to see that Trump continues true to himself.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/broadcast-signal-accidentally-picks-up-two-old-men-yelling-at-each-other-instead-of-presidential-debate
Broadcast Signal Accidentally Picks Up Two Old Men Yelling At Each Other Instead Of Presidential Debate
U.S.—Many were looking forward to the presidential debate tonight, hoping to thoughtfully consider each candidate's position so they could make a wise, informed decision about who to vote for in this year's election.
But it looks like that won't be happening, as debate organizers accidentally picked up a signal from some kind of nursing home where two angry old men were just shouting at each other for 90 minutes.
"The signal must have gotten crossed with some kind of live stream of an old folks' home," said one technician. "They were shouting about money and politics and viruses and all kinds of stuff. I know you were all really interested in hearing the candidates tonight. Sorry about that."
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You're certainly right about this. But, I need a brief respite.
There are authoritarian regimes in the world, that have and are currently, actively seeking to undermine democracy, particularly in the West and especially in the United States as the oldest and most powerful democracy. Unwilling to attack the US by force, they seek to undermine our democracy by encouraging chaos, sowing and amplifying division among citizens, distrust in institutions of government, and disillusionment in the democratic process itself. That isn't accomplished all at once, but is a process of damage done brick by brick in hopes of eventually causing collapse or at least a severe weakening of the structure.
The spectacle was that of a President of the United States undermining confidence in the election process, casting doubt on the potential legitimacy of the outcome, refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, encouraging an extremist group of brawlers to "stand by", a weak mumbling response when asked to clearly denounce white supremacists and their militia groups, and degrading an important debate into a complete debasement of dignity and decency. And it wasn't done just in the same places, times, and manners as he has for the last four years, but in the most important and internationally watched forum possible—the first presidential debate mere weeks away from an election. And the chaos that reigned on stage last night left a great many people stunned when it finally and thankfully ended.
So forgive me if I think that the bricks that uphold democracy received a sledgehammer blow last night, still standing but weakened. And yes, I do believe that our enemies are celebrating that event.
It was the Democrats who undermined democracy and weakened respect. They were the ones who created the phony collusion and treason charges and contrived impeachment against a legitimate president of the US to undermine his authority. 90% of the supposed journalists went along with it cheering it on instead of acting like a responsible press and reporting the news fairly in an unbiased way.
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It was the Democrats who undermined democracy and weakened respect. They were the ones who created the phony collusion and treason charges and contrived impeachment against a legitimate president of the US to undermine his authority. 90% of the supposed journalists went along with it cheering it on instead of acting like a responsible press and reporting the news fairly in an unbiased way.
No it is 4 years of presidential lies, unpresidential insulting behaviour, and the consistent display of lack of trust by this President in the American democratic institutions, ministeries and scientists.
This man would do a great job being the president of North Korea.
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No it is 4 years of presidential lies, unpresidential insulting behaviour, and the consistent display of lack of trust by this President in the American democratic institutions, ministeries and scientists.
This man would do a great job being the president of North Korea.
Well, I guess you're voting for Biden.
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Trump mandates letter that gives him credit to accompany food aid, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230). He's a class act. He should have at least mentioned the taxpayers who actually covered the cost. I guess we should be grateful he didn't toss napkins at them.
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Trump mandates letter that gives him credit to accompany food aid, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230). He's a class act. He should have at least mentioned the taxpayers who actually covered the cost. I guess we should be grateful he didn't toss napkins at them.
Taxpayers are suckers and losers!
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Trump mandates letter that gives him credit to accompany food aid, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/trump-letter-food-aid-boxes-424230). He's a class act. He should have at least mentioned the taxpayers who actually covered the cost. I guess we should be grateful he didn't toss napkins at them.
Did he include a depiction of Trump Tower? :)
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Taxpayers are suckers and losers!
You mean like Obamacare?
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You mean like Obamacare?
In a sense everything including Obamacare, so sure. Also stuff like defense and infrastructure.
Since we pay our income taxes and he does not, we are all the suckers for footing the bill and giving folks like that a free ride, especially when they could easily afford it.
I'm ok with helping support the less fortunate but not the billionaires.
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In a sense everything including Obamacare, so sure. Also stuff like defense and infrastructure.
Since we pay our income taxes and he does not, we are all the suckers for footing the bill and giving folks like that a free ride, especially when they could easily afford it.
I'm ok with helping support the less fortunate but not the billionaires.
I wasn't clear. WHile Trump is getting credit for giving food aid to people, Obama got credit getting a whole medical support program with his name - Obamacare - forever. It reminds me of NYC. Whenever a new mayor is elected, they change all the signs on every public construction site, and public building. Even the Welcome to New York City signs you see on the entrance roads when you enter the city are changed to display the new mayor's name. It costs city taxpayers millions so the new mayor gets the publicity.
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In a sense everything including Obamacare, so sure. Also stuff like defense and infrastructure.
Since we pay our income taxes and he does not, we are all the suckers for footing the bill and giving folks like that a free ride, especially when they could easily afford it.
I'm ok with helping support the less fortunate but not the billionaires.
Regarding Trump getting tax write-offs, all real estate investors get the same write-offs. It may not be good. So Congress can change it. I happen to agree they should not have special write-offs. All businesses should be treated the same.
There is what's called the Alternative Minimum Tax to prevent abuse. It prevents rich people for writing off everything and they have to pay something. I don't know if Trump got involved with that. It's possible his write offs occured before that tax was created and carried forward. Maybe someone else knows the answer to this.
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Sound like a chad issue. Florida redux.
NYC To Send New Ballots To Nearly 100,000 Voters After Printing Error
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/918382378/nyc-to-send-new-ballots-to-nearly-100-000-voters-after-printing-error
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I wasn't clear. WHile Trump is getting credit for giving food aid to people, Obama got credit getting a whole medical support program with his name - Obamacare - forever. It reminds me of NYC. Whenever a new mayor is elected, they change all the signs on every public construction site, and public building. Even the Welcome to New York City signs you see on the entrance roads when you enter the city are changed to display the new mayor's name. It costs city taxpayers millions so the new mayor gets the publicity.
Obama named it the Affordable Care Act. He can't control what other people have nicknamed it.
It's interesting to me how fans of the biggest sociopath egomaniac president ever like to accuse this humble constitutional scholar of being the egomaniac.
Oh by the way are you familiar with any of these? (from Wikipedia)
Real estate
Trump Tower
Trump Tower in New York City
Current
Trump Tower, New York City
Trump Tower at City Center, White Plains, New York
Trump Towers, Sunny Isles Beach, Florida
Trump Tower Kolkata, Kolkata, India[2][3][4]
Trump Tower Manila (Philippines)
Trump Towers Istanbul, Turkey
Trump Towers Pune, India
In development
Trump Tower Mumbai, India[5]
Trump Tower Delhi NCR (Gurugram), India[6][7]
Trump Tower Punta del Este, Uruguay
Cancelled or never completed
Trump Tower Moscow,[8] Moscow, Russia
Trump Tower, Tampa, Florida
Trump Towers Rio, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Trump Plaza
Trump Plaza is a brand of apartment buildings licensed to various proprietors.
Trump Plaza (Jersey City)
Trump Plaza (New Rochelle)
Trump Plaza (New York City)
Trump Plaza (West Palm Beach)[9]
Other Trump buildings
The Trump Building – New York City
Current
The Trump Building, in New York City
Trump Bay Street, in Jersey City, New Jersey
Trump Hollywood, a 41-story condominium tower in Hollywood, Florida[10]
Trump Parc and Trump Parc East, Manhattan
Trump Parc Stamford, Stamford, Connecticut
Trump Park Avenue, Manhattan
Trump Park Residences, Yorktown, New York[11][12]
Trump World Tower, in New York City
Daewoo Trump World, apartment brand in South Korea[13]
Former
The Dominick, a hotel condominium complex in New York City formerly called Trump SoHo (name licensing deal ended in 2017)
Riverside South, Manhattan (Trump Place), Manhattan (de-branded in November 2016)[14]
Cancelled or never completed
Elite Tower, formerly known as Trump Plaza Tower, and Trump Elite Tower, Ramat Gan, Tel Aviv, Israel
Trump condominium/hotel/office/shopping project, Charlotte, North Carolina. Announced in 2007; cancelled a year later, before the start of construction.[15][16][17][18]
Trump Hotel Rio de Janeiro
Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico
Trump on the Ocean, Jones Beach, New York [19]
Trump Tower Europe, a project by TD Trump Deutschland in Stuttgart, Germany
Trump Twin Towers, a nickname for a proposed twin-towered skyscraper complex that would have replaced the original World Trade Center twin towers
Hotels
Note: Hotels listed in bold are owned directly by Trump himself or his company, the Trump Organization. The rest associated through licensing deals.
Trump sign on his Chicago Hotel and Tower
Trump International Hotel – Las Vegas
Current
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Honolulu)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (New York City)
Trump International Hotel Las Vegas
Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C., also known as Old Post Office Building
Former
The St. Regis Toronto (formerly Trump International Hotel and Tower, divested in 2017)
JW Marriott Panama (formerly Trump International Hotel & Tower, licensing deal ended in 2018)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Vancouver) (filed for bankruptcy in 2020)
Cancelled or never completed
Trump International Hotel & Residence (Phoenix)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Baku)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Belgrade)[20]
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Dubai)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (Fort Lauderdale)
Trump International Hotel and Tower (New Orleans)
Golf courses
United States
The 18th hole at Trump National Doral
Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach)
Trump National Doral Miami (golf club + resort)
Trump National Golf Club (Bedminster, New Jersey) – used as President Trump's "Summer White House"
Trump National Golf Club (Charlotte, North Carolina)
Trump National Golf Club (Colts Neck, New Jersey)
Trump National Golf Club Hudson Valley (Hopewell Junction, New York)
Trump National Golf Club (Jupiter, Florida)
Trump National Golf Club (Los Angeles)
Trump National Golf Club (Philadelphia)
Trump National Golf Club (Washington, D.C.)
Trump National Golf Club (Westchester, New York)
Trump Golf Links (Ferry Point, New York)[21]
International
Trump International Golf Club (Dubai)
Trump World Golf Club (Dubai)
Trump International Golf Links, Scotland
Trump International Golf Links and Hotel Ireland
Trump Turnberry (Scotland)
Former
Trump International Golf Club Puerto Rico[22]
Casinos
Trump Entertainment Resorts was the casino arm of the Trump Organization. All of its casinos eventually went bankrupt or were divested.
Trump Taj Mahal, a casino and hotel on the Atlantic City boardwalk (closed in 2016)
Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino, in Atlantic City. Initially a 50/50 partnership with Harrah's, then wholly owned by Trump since 1986. Closed in 2014.
Trump World's Fair at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. Operated with its own casino license in a wing of Trump Plaza. Closed in 1999 and demolished in 2000.
Trump's Castle in Atlantic City (renamed Trump Marina in 1997), sold to Landry's, Inc. in 2011
Trump 29 Casino, in Coachella, California, now Spotlight 29 Casino. Former 50/50 partnership with the Twenty-Nine Palms Band of Mission Indians of California; Trump exited the business in 2006.
Trump Casino in Gary, Indiana, now the Majestic Star II.
Streets/roads/other
Donald Trump Square, Petah Tikva, Israel
Donald J. Trump State Park, in New York state, located on land donated by Trump in 2006.
Trump Drive – Kalispell, Montana[23]
Donald J Trump Boulevard – Kamëz, Albania[24]
United States Square in honor of President Donald Trump (a.k.a. Donald Trump Square) – Jerusalem, Israel. A town square in the city surrounding the new U.S. embassy. Named in honor of Trump for his administration's recognizing of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.[25]
Donald Trump Square – Petah Tikva, Israel[26]
Trump Heights – Golan Heights, a planned Israeli settlement in the Israeli-occupied territories, named in honor of Trump's recognition of the territory disputed with Syria as part of Israel.
Proposed
Trump Station – Jerusalem. A proposed train station near the Western Wall in the Old City of Jerusalem.[27] (תחנת הרכבת ירושלים הכותל [he])
Arts and media
Books
See also: Bibliography of Donald Trump
(Bold indicates a book written or co-written by Trump himself)
Trump: The Art of the Deal, a business book by Donald Trump and Tony Schwartz (1987)
Trump: Surviving at the Top, a business book by Donald Trump and Charles Leerhsen (1990)
Trumped!, a biography by John O'Donnell (1991)
Trump: The Art of the Comeback, a business book by Donald Trump and Kate Bohner (1997)
TrumpNation, a biography by Timothy L. O'Brien (2005)
Trump 101: The Way to Success, a business book by Donald Trump and Meredith McIver (2006)
The Conservative Case for Trump, a political book by Phyllis Schafly (2016)
The Day of the Donald, a satirical novel by Andrew Shaffer (2016)
In Trump We Trust, a political book by Ann Coulter (2016)
The Making of Donald Trump, a biography by David Cay Johnston (2016)
Trump Revealed, a biography by Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher (2016)
Yuge!: 30 Years of Doonesbury on Trump, a comics collection by Gary Trudeau (2016)
The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, a psychiatry book by Bandy Lee (2017)
Let Trump Be Trump, a memoir by Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie (2017)
Raising Trump, a memoir by Ivana Trump (2017)
Understanding Trump, a political book by Newt Gingrich (2017)
Everything Trump Touches Dies, a book by Rick Wilson (2018)
#SAD!: Doonesbury in the Time of Trump, a comics collection by Trudeau (2018)
The Case for Trump, a political book by Victor Davis Hanson (2019)
Films
See also: Donald Trump filmography
Trump: What's the Deal?, a business documentary by Jesse Kornbluth and Libby Handros (1991)
Trump Unauthorized – a television biopic by Keith Curran and John David Coles (2005)
You've Been Trumped, a social documentary by Richard Phinney and Anthony Baxter (2011)
Michael Moore in TrumpLand, a political documentary by Michael Moore (2016)
Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?, a political BBC One documentary in the Panorama series (2017)
Trumped: Inside the Greatest Political Upset of All Time, a political documentary (2017)
The Trump Prophecy, a political drama film (2019)
Games
Trump: The Game – a board game initially launched in 1989, with a 2004 re-release
Donald Trump's Real Estate Tycoon – a 2002 video game by RedCap
The Apprentice – a 2006 video game by Legacy Interactive
The Apprentice: Los Angeles – a 2007 video game by Legacy Interactive
Magazines
Trump Style, free magazine offered at Trump hotel-casinos from 1997 to 2002
Trump World Magazine, published from 2002 to 2006
Trump Magazine, published from 2006 to 2009[28]
Songs
See also: Donald Trump in music
"Trump", by Cindy Lee Berryhill (1989), from the Rhino Records album Naked Movie Star.
"Donald Trump (Black Version)", by The Time, from the Pandemonium album (1990)
"Trump Change", by E-40 (1998)
"Donald Trump's Hair", by Kacey Jones (2009)
"Donald Trump", by Mac Miller (2011)
"Trump", by Young Jeezy (2011)
"Donald Trump Walk" by Jerry James (2013)
"Donald Trump", by Young Thug (2014)
"Up Like Trump", by Rae Sremmurd (2015)
"Donald Trump", by Upchurch (2016)
"FDT", by YG featuring Nipsey Hussle (2016)
"Fucked Up Donald", by D.O.A. (2016)
"Trump", by Oral Bee and Mr. Pimp-Lotion (2016)
"I Might Vote 4 Donald Trump", by JPEGMAFIA and Freaky (2016)
"Viva Presidente Trump", by Brujeria (2016)
"Donnie Trump", by Will Hawkins (2017)
Other media
/r/The Donald, a former subreddit dedicated to Trump with over 775,000 subscribers
Trumped!, a talk radio program hosted by Trump from 2004 to 2008
"Trump, Inc.", a podcast from WNYC and ProPublica,[29] started in 2018.[30]
Trump Card – a 1990–1991 syndicated game show taped at the Trump Castle (now Golden Nugget) casino in Atlantic City. (Trump appeared on the debut episode to promote the show)
Trump Death Clock
Radio station WXNX 93.7 FM in Fort Myers, Florida branded itself as Trump Country 93.7, with the slogan of "Make Country Great Again" (a play on Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan).[31]
Food and drink
Current
Trump Winery, a vineyard in Virginia, acquired by Trump in 2011
Trump Ice,[32][33] a water distribution company opened in 2004 and served at Trump properties.[34][35][36][37][38]
Former
Trump Footlong[39]
Trump Golden Ale[40] now renamed Chinga Tu Pelo beer[41]
Trump Steaks
Trump Vodka
People
Donald Trump Jr., his firstborn child.
Donald Trump III, his eldest grandson, son of Donald Jr.[42]
Trump Jamil Hassan, born in Kurdistan, Iraq.[43]
Species
Neopalpa donaldtrumpi was named in 2016 because the yellowish-white scales on its head were reminiscent of Trump's hairstyle
Neopalpa donaldtrumpi, a species of micro-moth with distinctive yellowish-white scales covering the head [44][45]
Tetragramma donaldtrumpi, a species of fossil sea urchin[46]
Dermophis donaldtrumpi, a proposed name for a putative new species of amphibian that is blind; not confirmed as a new species yet, nor published.
Other
Trump's personal airplane – dubbed "Trump Force One" since his entry into politics.
Trump Force One – the nickname given by the media to Trump's personal aircraft, a Boeing 757-200ER.[47][48] In December 2016 it received the callsign Tyson 1.[49]
Trumpy Bear – a stuffed teddy bear featuring a tuft of hair in the style of Trump's hairdo, and wearing a red tie[50]
Donald Trump baby balloon, a 6-metre-tall (20 ft) balloon depicting Trump as a baby in a diaper with a mobile phone
Dump Trump, a satirical statue
Former ventures
Donald J. Trump Foundation – charitable foundation shut down in 2018 due to legal issues
Donald J. Trump Signature Collection, a line of menswear launched at Macy's in 2004,[51][52] and involved in a lawsuit and subsequent trial.[53][54][55] Discontinued in 2015, after comments Trump made about Mexicans.[56][57][58]
Donald Trump, The Fragrance, released in 2004.[59][60][61]
GoTrump.com, a travel booking website[62]
Tour de Trump, a bicycle race held in 1989 and 1990[63]
Trump Home, an upscale furniture line
Trump Institute, a separate business licensed but not owned by Trump[64]
Trump Model Management
Trump Mortgage
The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing company that sold vitamins
Trump Office, a line of executive office chairs launched in 2007 for Staples Inc[65][66][67]
Trump Productions, media company
Trump Shuttle, an airline
Trump University, owned mostly by Trump (renamed The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative in 2010)
Whew, that was exhausting. I'm almost ready for some Trump™ Vodka.
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cOh by the way are you familiar with any of these? (from Wikipedia)
Not very creative, is he? Everything has the same name. That must really screw up Google Maps. Ask for directions to Trump whatever and you have no idea where you are going to end up. But wherever it is, you know you are going to take it in the shorts.
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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott limits counties to one absentee ballot drop-off location, bolstering GOP efforts to restrict voting
The Republican governor's order Thursday was a rebuke to large, Democratic counties that have set up numerous locations where voters may drop off their completed absentee ballots in person. Civil rights groups say it will suppress voting.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/01/greg-abbott-texas-vote-mail/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/01/greg-abbott-texas-vote-mail/)
Gov. Greg Abbott threw the weight of his office Thursday behind Republican efforts to limit options for Texas voters who want to hand-deliver their completed absentee ballots for the November election — a rebuke to some large, Democratic counties that have set up multiple drop-off locations in what they call an effort to maximize voter convenience.
The Republican governor issued a proclamation directing counties to designate just one location for ballot drop-offs, and allowing political parties to install poll watchers to observe the process.
An unprecedented number of absentee ballots are expected to be cast this year as voters who qualify under Texas’ unusually strict vote-by-mail rules opt to avoid the health risks of voting in person. Republican officials have aggressively fought Democratic efforts to expand access to mail-in ballots during the pandemic.
President Donald Trump and many Republicans have sowed misinformation and confusion about the integrity of mail-in voting, which experts say is safe. With the U.S. Postal Service warning of potential delays, many Texans are eager to deliver their completed absentee ballots in person.
And Harris County Clerk Chris Hollins said "to force hundreds of thousands of seniors and voters with disabilities to use a single drop-off location in a county that stretches over nearly 2,000 square miles is prejudicial and dangerous."
Nationally, the Republican Party is ramping up a multimillion-dollar effort to recruit poll watchers this year, the first presidential election in almost 40 years that the Republican National Committee has not been under a federal court order imposed to rein in the party’s “ballot security” efforts, which have a history of trying to intimidate voters of color. https://www.theatlantic.com/2018/01/the-gop-just-received-another-tool-for-suppressing-votes (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/the-gop-just-received-another-tool-for-suppressing-votes/550052/)
* This was tried by the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio, but a court intervened calling the one dropbox per county restriction arbitrary.
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To be fair Obama has the most scientific names for species named in his honor of any president. I'm sure Trump is jealous of that! ;)
Although I'm not sure that parasitic worm name was intended as a compliment. :)
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Two conservative political operatives charged with misleading voter robocalls
Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman each face four felony charges of bribing or intimidating voters and using a computer to commit a crime.
https://www.nbcnews.com/two-conservative-political-operatives-charged-misleading-voter-robocalls (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-conservative-political-operatives-charged-misleading-voter-robocalls-n1241745)
Two conservative political operatives known for smearing political opponents with transparently false accusations were charged by the state of Michigan Thursday, accused of trying to intimidate voters with false robocalls about mail-in voting.
Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman each face four felony charges of bribing or intimidating voters and using a computer to commit a crime. Each charge carries up to seven years in prison.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a news release that she communicated with the attorney general's offices in New York, California, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Illinois, all of which reported robocalls that they say intimidated voters.
https://www.michigan.gov/ag/AG Nessel Files Felony Charges Against Jack Burkman, Jacob Wohl in Voter-Suppression (https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--541052--,00.html)
Robocall Recording... https://www.nomorobo.com/Political Robocall (https://www.nomorobo.com/lookup/703-795-5364?recording=CAee7daeeadd7759e923ec881092e29d04)
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I dropped off my ballot yesterday at the Post Office location where absentee ballots are mailed. Hopefully it will make its way from the counter to the post office box a few feet away sometime in the next couple of weeks. There we no other customers there.
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Obama named it the Affordable Care Act. He can't control what other people have nicknamed it.
It's interesting to me how fans of the biggest sociopath egomaniac president ever like to accuse this humble constitutional scholar of being the egomaniac.
Oh by the way are you familiar with any of these? (from Wikipedia)
Whew, that was exhausting. I'm almost ready for some Trump™ Vodka.
Most of Trump's 500 businesses have buildings or products that he doesn't own. He sells the rights to use his name. Independent companies want his name so they can add prestige to their products and buildings. They raise the prices of their condos, hotel rooms, etc. because of the Trump name. He gets paid a fee but doesn;t own the product. So he's always selling his name; always wants his name in the news. I'm not rich like him. No one wants to name their building Klein Towers. :)
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Most of Trump's 500 businesses have buildings or products that he doesn't own. He sells the rights to use his name. Independent companies want his name so they can add prestige to their products and buildings. They raise the prices of their condos, hotel rooms, etc. because of the Trump name. He gets paid a fee but doesn;t own the product. So he's always selling his name; always wants his name in the news. I'm not rich like him. No one wants to name their building Klein Towers. :)
Sure. So anyway what was your point about Obama's ego and naming stuff again?
(https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097d7b1c7a8e33fb3905c4/16:9/w_1280,c_limit/Borowitz-Trump-University-2.jpg)
(https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-steaks-master.jpg)
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Economist comment:
Donald Trump is fighting hard for Florida. Only two states (California and Texas) offer more electoral votes, and Florida swings. Just once in the past 12 presidential elections—in 1992—has it voted for the loser. Polls show an exceptionally tight race. Today the president will appear at a rally in the city of Sanford. He and Mr Biden are fighting particularly hard for the state’s Latino and elderly voters. Mr Trump is overperforming among the former and underperforming among the latter. A recent Univision poll showed Joe Biden winning 52% of Latino voters in Florida, compared with 66% in Texas. That is partly because roughly one-third of Florida’s Hispanics are Cuban, a traditionally Republican group. (Mexican-Americans more often vote Democrat.) Grey-haired Floridians could help Mr Biden, however. A recent poll shows him leading 49%-48% among voters over 65, who make up 21% of Florida’s population. Floridians should expect an onslaught of attention from the campaigns.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50407133377_4ea18f05eb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jNiJAv)
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Oh by the way are you familiar with any of these? (from Wikipedia)
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Whew, that was exhausting. I'm almost ready for some Trump™ Vodka.
A link (with an explanation, of course) would have sufficed.
Jeremy
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Obama named it the Affordable Care Act. He can't control what other people have nicknamed it.
It's interesting to me how fans of the biggest sociopath egomaniac president ever like to accuse this humble constitutional scholar of being the egomaniac.
Oh by the way are you familiar with any of these? (from Wikipedia)
Sure, but apart from those?
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So much winning.
Judge Rules Against Trump’s H-1B Visa Ban: President Is Not A Monarch
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/10/02/judge-rules-against-trumps-h-1b-visa-ban-president-is-not-a-monarch/#7956642551cc
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Most of Trump's 500 businesses have buildings or products that he doesn't own. He sells the rights to use his name. Independent companies want his name so they can add prestige to their products and buildings. They raise the prices of their condos, hotel rooms, etc. because of the Trump name. He gets paid a fee but doesn;t own the product. So he's always selling his name; always wants his name in the news. I'm not rich like him. No one wants to name their building Klein Towers. :)
because 'Klein Towers' are very small
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Regarding Trump getting tax write-offs, all real estate investors get the same write-offs. It may not be good. So Congress can change it. I happen to agree they should not have special write-offs. All businesses should be treated the same.
There is what's called the Alternative Minimum Tax to prevent abuse. It prevents rich people for writing off everything and they have to pay something. I don't know if Trump got involved with that. It's possible his write offs occured before that tax was created and carried forward. Maybe someone else knows the answer to this.
Trump was subject to AMT but because of his many failed business ventures he had huge amounts to write off that were carried forward. The New York Times has a short article on how he only payed $750 in 2017: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-750-taxes.html A good portion of his income came from shares in Voranado Realty Trust who took over some of the valuable properties in exchange for equity. They, and not Trump, manage the properties. This includes a very high value property in San Francisco that has a 'ghost' office leased by the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Qatar that pays rent but there is nobody who works there.
You can see in the table of the NYT article how the tax bill got cancelled out. It is pretty straight forward accounting. I was surprised by how high his Screen Actors Guild pension was.
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One does not want to wish illness on anyone, but I could not suppress a small internal smirk on hearing that Trump has covid. Talk about your just desserts!
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Well at least “It affects virtually nobody”.
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One does not want to wish illness on anyone, but I could not suppress a small internal smirk on hearing that Trump has covid. Talk about your just desserts!
Yeh the three stooges, Trump, Bolsonaro and Johnson all down played the virus and has bit all of them in their respective butts...some butts bigger than others.
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Show us your
tax returns test results.
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One does not want to wish illness on anyone...
I am still struggling with that. I bet there are a lot of Senate Republicans hoping he will take one for the team.
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Show us your tax returns test results.
Yes...unfortunately when one is a compulsive liar it's hard to know when the truth is spoken.
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I forgot to mention how thankful I am that Trump was able to bring back Big 10 football before catching the virus. Of all the things we have had to give up, I can't imagine how we would have coped without Big 10 football.
On another note, I wonder if there is a stock market play on hydrocloroquine. I am probably too late for that. Never mind.
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Sure. So anyway what was your point about Obama's ego and naming stuff again?
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Well, all presidents have loads of ego. Certainly Obama had it in spades, his strutting around on stage with his chin up. But you're comparing Trump publicity in civilian life which is his stock in trade. He sells his name for others to put on their products and to advertise his products. So him using it is as much a financial requirement as well as his ego. Obama as a government official got his name on a major legislation - Obamacare. Sure, it's an informal name. But no one calls it by its real name -The Affordable Care Act. In fact, I had to look it up. I couldn't even remember what it's real name is.
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because 'Klein Towers' are very small
Only my hands.
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One does not want to wish illness on anyone, but I could not suppress a small internal smirk on hearing that Trump has covid. Talk about your just desserts!
I saw plenty of smirking on CNN and MSNBC. You're in good company. So now we have one guy with the virus and another with the beginning of senility. If VP Pence comes down with it, we might have Speaker Nancy Pelosi running the government before the election as she's next in line constitutionally after the president and VP. I already voted by mail ln NJ. I wonder if I can recall it?
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Just to brighten your day, another commenter noted: "I like presidents who don't catch coronavirus". John McCain is smiling.
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Obama as a government official got his name on a major legislation - Obamacare. Sure, it's an informal name.
ObamaCare started as a derogatory name assigned by the Republicans to denigrate the act as they sought to repeal it. And now it's a mark of Obama's ego?
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ObamaCare started as a derogatory name assigned by the Republicans to denigrate the act as they sought to repeal it. And now it's a mark of Obama's ego?
I don't recall Obama telling anyone to stop using it. Just think. Social Security could have been called RooseveltCares.
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I don't recall Obama telling anyone to stop using it. Just think. Social Security could have been called RooseveltCares.
Lol, can't you do better than that? How about tying in some birtherism or something?
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Trump was subject to AMT but because of his many failed business ventures he had huge amounts to write off that were carried forward. The New York Times has a short article on how he only payed $750 in 2017: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-750-taxes.html A good portion of his income came from shares in Voranado Realty Trust who took over some of the valuable properties in exchange for equity. They, and not Trump, manage the properties. This includes a very high value property in San Francisco that has a 'ghost' office leased by the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Qatar that pays rent but there is nobody who works there.
You can see in the table of the NYT article how the tax bill got cancelled out. It is pretty straight forward accounting. I was surprised by how high his Screen Actors Guild pension was.
If it's straight forward accounting, and standard business deductions, why is the NY Times and the rest of the fake news press writing about it like he's a thief? It's an obvious smear again before an election as the Times has done in the past with nominees for president they are opposed too.
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If it's straight forward accounting, and standard business deductions, why is the NY Times and the rest of the fake news press writing about it like he's a thief? It's an obvious smear again before an election as the Times has done in the past with nominees for president they are opposed too.
The devil is in the details and we do not know what all the deductions were which is probably more concerning. You and I have no idea about the legitimacy of the deductions. To cite but one example for which there is documentation, Ivanka Trump was pad $750K consulting fee despite the fact that she was a named officer of the LLC for the property in question and this was taken off as a business deduction. This stinks and clearly is a way to transfer wealth outside of the normal tax situation.
What the Times reporting shows is that Trump is a pretty poor businessman and that had it not been for the income from 'The Apprentice' he would have really struggled. He also pissed away a lot of that money buying golf courses. Many have pointed to his great business acumen and that is exactly what the NY Times dispels. the other key thing that I have noted ad nauseum is he campaigned in 2016 that he knew how to reform the tax code. Maybe he did, but you certainly do not see anything that points out that he had any influence at all.
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The devil is in the details and we do not know what all the deductions were which is probably more concerning. You and I have no idea about the legitimacy of the deductions.
Why would anyone give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt about anything? I can just hear it now: Trump's business deductions weren't fraudulent, they were just exaggerations or merely aspirational.
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In the time it took my browser to refresh, The Daily Beast put up a story about the conspiracy theories that have arisen on Twitter in connection with Trump's positive test for coronavirus. I liked this one:
"Some posts, like WMM podcast and CNN political analyst Joe Lockhart, floated the idea that these cascading scandals somehow replace each other. “This is the world we live in. The Kimberly [Guilfoyle sexual harassment] story gave us a break from the Trump the racist story. The Melania tapes gave us a break from the Kimberly story. And the Covid diagnosis gave us a break from the Melania tape story. NUTS.”"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conspiracy-theory-twitter-is-going-nuts-over-trumps-covid-diagnosis
In case you are not familiar with the Melania tapes story, here's a link. Apparently, she is not all that excited about Christmas decorations:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/melania-trump-spouts-off-in-secret-recording-who-gives-a-fk-about-christmas-stuff
The Kimberly Guilfoyle sexual harassment story can be found here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/media/kimberly-guilfoyle-fox-allegations/index.html
The Trump's a racist story, just Google "Trump racist" and take your pick.
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Trump blames the decline of suburbia on the usual suspects, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/how-white-grievance-politics-informs-trumps-campaign-playbook-424590 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/how-white-grievance-politics-informs-trumps-campaign-playbook-424590).
Have the suburbs declined?
But if they have, maybe all the people there can flee back to the cities from which they took flight decades ago.
Cringe-worthy bar talk again. It's embarrassing listening to this crap.
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The devil is in the details and we do not know what all the deductions were which is probably more concerning. You and I have no idea about the legitimacy of the deductions. To cite but one example for which there is documentation, Ivanka Trump was pad $750K consulting fee despite the fact that she was a named officer of the LLC for the property in question and this was taken off as a business deduction. This stinks and clearly is a way to transfer wealth outside of the normal tax situation.
What the Times reporting shows is that Trump is a pretty poor businessman and that had it not been for the income from 'The Apprentice' he would have really struggled. He also pissed away a lot of that money buying golf courses. Many have pointed to his great business acumen and that is exactly what the NY Times dispels. the other key thing that I have noted ad nauseum is he campaigned in 2016 that he knew how to reform the tax code. Maybe he did, but you certainly do not see anything that points out that he had any influence at all.
Arguing that some deduction might be inappropriate means nothing. It's speculation. It was a smear. The Times didn't report the chart of how he took the deductions so it came out to $750 because the chart explains it. Even you said that. They smeared him the first day of the article then left the chart to be published on a future date after the damage was done. The NY Times knew that the news would be about the $750. So they kept the explanation until later after they hurt him with a BS news article.
The article showed nothing about him being a bad businessman. The fact he writes off tax deductions for business and pays little taxes shows he's smart not dumb. Also, tax returns don't show wealth. They show income over the prior year and losses carried forward. They don't show property owned or other wealth. He's worth around $3 1/2 billion by Forbes and other business publications. You and I should be so poor.
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Why would anyone give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt about anything? I can just hear it now: Trump's business deductions weren't fraudulent, they were just exaggerations or merely aspirational.
The IRS has never charged him with tax fraud in 50 years he's been in business. This was the NY Times smearing him. Their October surprise.
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In the time it took my browser to refresh, The Daily Beast put up a story about the conspiracy theories that have arisen on Twitter in connection with Trump's positive test for coronavirus. I liked this one:
"Some posts, like WMM podcast and CNN political analyst Joe Lockhart, floated the idea that these cascading scandals somehow replace each other. “This is the world we live in. The Kimberly [Guilfoyle sexual harassment] story gave us a break from the Trump the racist story. The Melania tapes gave us a break from the Kimberly story. And the Covid diagnosis gave us a break from the Melania tape story. NUTS.”"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conspiracy-theory-twitter-is-going-nuts-over-trumps-covid-diagnosis
In case you are not familiar with the Melania tapes story, here's a link. Apparently, she is not all that excited about Christmas decorations:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/melania-trump-spouts-off-in-secret-recording-who-gives-a-fk-about-christmas-stuff
The Kimberly Guilfoyle sexual harassment story can be found here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/media/kimberly-guilfoyle-fox-allegations/index.html
The Trump's a racist story, just Google "Trump racist" and take your pick.
TDS.
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Here's a podcast interview with journalist David Fahrenthold about Trump's business dealings while in office. The short intro blurb from the interview, << Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Fahrenthold says in the past, an honor system helped keep presidents from using the office to benefit themselves. Not Trump: "He exploits honor systems." >>
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/757867502/from-mar-a-lago-to-trump-hotels-reporter-says-trump-profits-as-president (https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/757867502/from-mar-a-lago-to-trump-hotels-reporter-says-trump-profits-as-president)
On the same topic, here's an interview with a Forbes journalist, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts).
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Here's another fact for the Trumplets to ignore.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/01/trump-is-single-largest-driver-of-covid-19-misinformation-cornell-study-finds
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Here's a podcast interview with journalist David Fahrenthold about Trump's business dealings while in office. The short intro blurb from the interview, << Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Fahrenthold says in the past, an honor system helped keep presidents from using the office to benefit themselves. Not Trump: "He exploits honor systems." >>
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/757867502/from-mar-a-lago-to-trump-hotels-reporter-says-trump-profits-as-president (https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/757867502/from-mar-a-lago-to-trump-hotels-reporter-says-trump-profits-as-president)
On the same topic, here's an interview with a Forbes journalist, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts).
You're just telling us everything we knew about Trump when we hired him in 2016. That he is a businessman with companies around the world. That's why we elected him. So he could help with our economy. He did that. That's why we need him to continue rather than hiring a guy who's been a politician all his life whose only private work was to use his position and influence as VP to get a job for his son in CHina and Ukraine.
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Some around here may be panicking. There were seven doctors in the briefing this morning at Walter Reed concerning Trump's condition. All experts. OMG! Experts! Seven diagnoses, seven treatment plans, seven prognoses, all in conflict. How do they know who is right? Maybe none of them are right. Isn't the number seven one of those devil worship numbers? We're doomed I say, doomed.
And what about Melania? In addition to the coronavirus, she is still suffering PTSD from having to deal with Christmas decorations last year. Her anxiety level will skyrocket as December approaches. A valium IV is the only solution. What? She's already on a valium IV? Who knew? Is that why she squints all the time?
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Some around here may be panicking. There were seven doctors in the briefing this morning at Walter Reed concerning Trump's condition. All experts. OMG. Seven diagnoses, seven treatment plans, seven prognoses, all in conflict. How do they know who is right? Maybe none of them are right. Isn't the number seven one of those devil worship numbers. We're doomed I say, doomed.
That's what I've been saying for months. You can't trust experts because they all have differing opinions that change from week to week.
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Humans are not rational, they rationalize.
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Guys, guys, have you been reading the news? Everyone in the Trump orbit is testing positive. Trump, his stunt double, Melania, Kellyanne, Trump's campaign manager, three senators, and now Chris Christie. Talk about co-morbidities. If Christie is infected, so is Giuliani. There goes debate prep. That worked out so well last time around, everyone was panicking. Kanye has volunteered to stand in for Trump if necessary. It was the only way to calm everyone down.
Speaking of debate prep, the whatever it is called has agreed with the Biden campaign that Harris and Pence will be seated 12 feet apart. The Pence team was arguing for 7 feet. Nothing like an extra foot of clearance in the middle of a pandemic just to be safe. Team Biden was also pressing for standing instead of sitting, but Team Trump prevailed. It is a little known fact that Pence suffers from bone spurs in his feet. That's why Trump picked him. Also, there will be an extra seat on Pence's side for his wife. The Billy Graham rule, you know.
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Guys, guys, have you been reading the news? Everyone in the Trump orbit is testing positive. Trump, his stunt double, Melania, Kellyanne, Trump's campaign manager, three senators, and now Chris Christie. Talk about co-morbidities. If Christie is infected, so is Giuliani. There goes debate prep. That worked out so well last time around, everyone is panicked. Kanye has volunteered to stand in for Trump if necessary. It was the only way to calm everyone down.
Speaking of debate prep, the whatever it is called has agreed with the Biden campaign that Harris and Pence will be seated 12 feet apart. The Pence team was arguing for 7 feet. Nothing like an extra foot clearance if the middle of a pandemic just to be safe. Team Biden was also pressing for standing instead of sitting, but Team Trump prevailed. It is a little known fact that Pence suffers from bone spurs. That's why Trump picked him. Also, there will be an extra seat on Pence's side for his wife. The Billy Graham rule, you know.
I wonder if the trump team will pointedly refuse to wear masks inside again. Seeing as how the trigger seems to have been the Barrett party prior to the debate, this means all those fuckwits were likely active spreaders on Tuesday. Of course, the Joe Kitchen theory is that that doesn’t matter so, whatever. Maybe they can move the next debates to some stoop in philly where people think it’s no big deal. Sorry if I sound like an a-hole, but damn. Why the hell is wearing a mask a gd political statement. It’s so worthlessly stupid to deliberately flout a reasonable precaution. :(
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I wonder if the trump team jackasses will pointedly refuse to wear masks inside again. Seeing as how the trigger seems to have been the Barrett party prior to the debate, this means all those fuckwits were likely active spreaders on Tuesday. Of course, the Joe Kitchen theory is that that doesn’t matter so, whatever. Maybe they can move the next debates to some stoop in philly where people think it’s no big deal. Sorry if I sound like an a-hole, but damn. Why the hell is wearing a mask a gd political statement. So worthlessly stupid to deliberately flout a reasonable precaution. :(
The mask has become a political statement on both sides. With Democrats, wearing it shows that they put medical leadership first, maybe only. On the Republican side, not wearing it says that they're in favor of economic recovery while accepting the risks of the disease.
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The mask has become a political statement on both sides. With Democrats, wearing it shows that they put medical leadership first, maybe only. On the Republican side, not wearing it says that they're in favor of economic recovery while accepting the risks of the disease.
Stop excusing their bullshit, Alan. They exposed a few hundred innocent people with their “statement”.
Oh, and apparently he also went unmasked to a MAGA rally Thursday AFTER he knew he was exposed if I’m understanding the timeline right.
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The mask has become a political statement on both sides. With Democrats, wearing it shows that they put medical leadership first, maybe only. On the Republican side, not wearing it says that they're in favor of economic recovery while accepting the risks of the disease.
That's about the same as saying that not wearing condoms propels the economy and provides financial security for seniors.
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Stop excusing their bullshit, Alan. They exposed a few hundred innocent people with their “statement”.
Oh, and apparently he also went unmasked to a MAGA rally Thursday AFTER he knew he was exposed if I’m understanding the timeline right.
People made their choice, to first attend and second to not wear a mask. Choices have consequences. This is what happened. They all deal with it. Freedom is kinda like that.
That said Im a mask wearer. But its not my job to police or mask shame those who dont.
BTW, I believe the Thursday event was a private fund raiser.
On the upside, should Trump recover we will have a President for the next four years who "might" be immune from Covid. :)
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That's what I've been saying for months. You can't trust experts because they all have differing opinions that change from week to week.
If we can't trust experts, then who should we trust, Alan?
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People made their choice, to first attend and second to not wear a mask. Choices have consequences. This is what happened. They all deal with it. Freedom is kinda like that.
That said Im a mask wearer. But its not my job to police or mask shame those who dont.
this reflects a poor understanding of how masks work to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Your unilateral decision is good but if others are not wearing them, there is still a great societal risk. The more people who wear masks, the lower the risk becomes. The key study was done in Germany earlier this year. Two towns of about 80K apiece adopted universal mask regulations but at four week intervals. the first town saw infections drop to zero while the second one still had residual infections. When the second town's regulation kicked in both towns were down to zero cases of transmission. It's the best study we have as you obviously cannot do a randomized trial where some people don't wear masks and could be subject to infection. Here is the paper if you are interested: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.02.20187021v2.full.pdf It's also one of the reasons why Germany has been successful at controlling COVID-19 and the US has not.
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You're just telling us everything we knew about Trump when we hired him in 2016. That he is a businessman with companies around the world. That's why we elected him. So he could help with our economy. He did that. That's why we need him to continue rather than hiring a guy who's been a politician all his life whose only private work was to use his position and influence as VP to get a job for his son in CHina and Ukraine.
"We" didn't hire him. An awkward, unequal, undemocratic electoral college put him in office, after a majority "We" decided to hire Clinton by almost 3,000,000 votes.
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So he could help with our economy. He did that.
He most certainly did not. He inherited a robust and growing economy that started recovering in 2010 under Obama and the best one can say about Trump is that he did not screw it up (until this year). Giving him credit for the good economy 2017-2019 is one of the most asinine claims ever made in politics--and with Trump, that's saying a lot.
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People made their choice, to first attend and second to not wear a mask. Choices have consequences. This is what happened. They all deal with it. Freedom is kinda like that.
That said Im a mask wearer. But its not my job to police or mask shame those who dont.
BTW, I believe the Thursday event was a private fund raiser.
On the upside, should Trump recover we will have a President for the next four years who "might" be immune from Covid. :)
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Is, “The President of the United States knows he has an active Covid infection and is here anyway without a mask so I gotta be careful...” a conclusion/factor a reasonable person should really be expected to consider?
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You can't trust experts because they all have differing opinions that change from week to week.
Well for chrissakes, Alan, that's how science is SUPPOSED to work. New evidence leads to new opinions. It's only politicians, economists, and most conservatives who latch onto an opinion and never change regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Is, “The President of the United States knows he has an active Covid infection and is here anyway without a mask so I gotta be careful...” a conclusion/factor a reasonable person should really be expected to consider?
I don’t think he knew he had an active COVID infection, did he? At least until sometime very late Thursday.
I think everyone needs to consider where they are and what the surroundings may contain in today’s world. At least that’s how I roll..
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Well for chrissakes, Alan, that's how science is SUPPOSED to work. New evidence leads to new opinions. It's only politicians, economists, and most conservatives who latch onto an opinion and never change regardless of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I heard they were going to bleed Trump with leeches. Tried and true. Tried and true.
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this reflects a poor understanding of how masks work to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Your unilateral decision is good but if others are not wearing them, there is still a great societal risk. The more people who wear masks, the lower the risk becomes. The key study was done in Germany earlier this year. Two towns of about 80K apiece adopted universal mask regulations but at four week intervals. the first town saw infections drop to zero while the second one still had residual infections. When the second town's regulation kicked in both towns were down to zero cases of transmission. It's the best study we have as you obviously cannot do a randomized trial where some people don't wear masks and could be subject to infection. Here is the paper if you are interested: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.02.20187021v2.full.pdf It's also one of the reasons why Germany has been successful at controlling COVID-19 and the US has not.
No, it reflects the understanding of the current state of affairs in the USA. I wish everyone would mask, however I also realize that’s just not happening nor do I expect it to happen here anytime in the future. As such you make the choices that suit your beliefs and health needs.
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this reflects a poor understanding of how masks work to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Your unilateral decision is good but if others are not wearing them, there is still a great societal risk. The more people who wear masks, the lower the risk becomes.
Absent the kind of social contract you are describing, those of us at statistically high risk probably should consider wearing a respirator-style facemask in settings where both adequate ventilation and physical distancing are unlikely. Masks that comply with the Chinese KN95 standard (or at least that claim to) are now available to non-institutional consumers. (Those that comply with the similar U.S. N95 and European FFP2 standards still are not, as far as I can determine.) Respirators don't require bilateral mask-wearing to be effective: they provide a reasonable level of protection even to wearers who are in the presence of others who, for whatever reason ― ideological opposition, discomfort, or just plain ignorance ― don't wear a facemask themselves.
I wouldn't want to have to wear one of these all day long, as medical providers do; when adjusted properly, they provide quite a bit of resistance to breathing and the fit is very tight, so if you have skin that is seven decades old, as mine is, you'll see marks on your face when you remove the mask. But I can put up with that for a quick trip to our local supermarket, where most other shoppers do wear masks but a significant proportion either don't wear them properly or use home-made cloth masks that appear rather iffy to me: I suspect some of them are less likely to trap larger droplets than to break them into small ones, and thus disperse them over even greater distances.
I don't hold out much hope that we in the States will achieve anything approaching the level of voluntary compliance with common-sense infectious disease regulations that has been achieved in Japan, Taiwan, or South Korea, even if a new federal administration promulgates a comprehensive national policy, and the only other way to achieve the same result presumably would involve the kind of unacceptable draconian measures adopted by the government of China. So until there is a cure for COVID-19 or an effective vaccine, I'm afraid it's sauve qui peut.
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You're just telling us everything we knew about Trump when we hired him in 2016. That he is a businessman with companies around the world. That's why we elected him. So he could help with our economy. He did that. That's why we need him to continue rather than hiring a guy who's been a politician all his life whose only private work was to use his position and influence as VP to get a job for his son in CHina and Ukraine.
You slay me Alan, you're too much.
We may be overlooking one bright aspect of Trump's infection if recovery takes some time. With some luck, it might mean we won't have any more debates! NOOOObody needs to see one of those again.
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"We" didn't hire him. An awkward, unequal, undemocratic electoral college put him in office, after a majority "We" decided to hire Clinton by almost 3,000,000 votes.
Clinton did not have a majority of the popular votes. She only had 48%. That means more people voted against her than for her. Trump had a majority of the electoral votes, approximately 57%.
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If we can't trust experts, then who should we trust, Alan?
Which expert when they have conflicting opinions?
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this reflects a poor understanding of how masks work to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Your unilateral decision is good but if others are not wearing them, there is still a great societal risk. The more people who wear masks, the lower the risk becomes. The key study was done in Germany earlier this year. Two towns of about 80K apiece adopted universal mask regulations but at four week intervals. the first town saw infections drop to zero while the second one still had residual infections. When the second town's regulation kicked in both towns were down to zero cases of transmission. It's the best study we have as you obviously cannot do a randomized trial where some people don't wear masks and could be subject to infection. Here is the paper if you are interested: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.02.20187021v2.full.pdf It's also one of the reasons why Germany has been successful at controlling COVID-19 and the US has not.
I posted this in the other thread. It clarifies Germany's differences between East and WEst Germany.
Areas with higher populated centers, more international travelers, and more industry have higher rates. It's not necessarily a failure of government, medical systems or policy.
Covid-19 Sparks New East-West Divide in Germany—30 Years After Reunification
Eastern Germany has suffered far fewer coronavirus cases than the country’s West, highlighting lingering economic and cultural differences
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-sparks-new-east-west-divide-in-germany30-years-after-reunification-11601717400
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Absent the kind of social contract you are describing, those of us at statistically high risk probably should consider wearing a respirator-style facemask in settings where both adequate ventilation and physical distancing are unlikely. Masks that comply with the Chinese KN95 standard (or at least that claim to) are now available to non-institutional consumers. (Those that comply with the similar U.S. N95 and European FFP2 standards still are not, as far as I can determine.) Respirators don't require bilateral mask-wearing to be effective: they provide a reasonable level of protection even to wearers who are in the presence of others who, for whatever reason ― ideological opposition, discomfort, or just plain ignorance ― don't wear a facemask themselves.
I wouldn't want to have to wear one of these all day long, as medical providers do; when adjusted properly, they provide quite a bit of resistance to breathing and the fit is very tight, so if you have skin that is seven decades old, as mine is, you'll see marks on your face when you remove the mask. But I can put up with that for a quick trip to our local supermarket, where most other shoppers do wear masks but a significant proportion either don't wear them properly or use home-made cloth masks that appear rather iffy to me: I suspect some of them are less likely to trap larger droplets than to break them into small ones, and thus disperse them over even greater distances.
I don't hold out much hope that we in the States will achieve anything approaching the level of voluntary compliance with common-sense infectious disease regulations that has been achieved in Japan, Taiwan, or South Korea, even if a new federal administration promulgates a comprehensive national policy, and the only other way to achieve the same result presumably would involve the kind of unacceptable draconian measures adopted by the government of China. So until there is a cure for COVID-19 or an effective vaccine, I'm afraid it's sauve qui peut.
Six months ago I ordered 60 KN95 masks directly from China. They don't fit as tight as N95 masks. But they do seal up much better than those surgical mask that open on the sides.
I tried the N95 masks 10 or 15 years ago in bad construction areas with lots of dust and found them too hard to breathe. The KN95 breathe OK but still hard for me to wear for too long. But I wear them when anyone else is around. Today, my wife and I took a hike. We had the masks in our pockets. When one guy approached we put them on and took them off again after he passed. I have some cloth masks that we haven't used yet with built in filters. But I might re-order some more KN95 Chinese masks as my stock is running out. Of course, you don't know the efficacy with Chinese products. It seems to be a crap shoot.
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That's about the same as saying that not wearing condoms propels the economy and provides financial security for seniors.
It's become a political symbol representing freedom to many people. That doesn't mean you don't have to wear them to keep safe. I don't like the government telling me I have to wear seat belts and risk a fine if I don't. But I still wear my seat belt and pull it tight.
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Same with condoms. :)
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Clinton did not have a majority of the popular votes. She only had 48%. That means more people voted against her than for her. Trump had a majority of the electoral votes, approximately 57%.
that makes 105%
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I don't like the government telling me I have to wear seat belts and risk a fine if I don't.
Were you ok with the government sending kids to Vietnam or recommending unproven hydroxychloroquine?
Do you sit at red lights and seethe about your diminished liberty?
Why is it ok for militia to walk around the streets with AR-15s to 'protect their families and guard against tyranny' but when groups you don't agree with do the same thing, then it's a crime?
I believe that you need to rethink your basic assumptions.
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that makes 105%
He is deliberately and deceptively referring to votes cast by the states following the election, which are awarded differently than those cast by voters during the election, in an apparent attempt to give the impression that Trump won a majority of something in 2016. This meaningless formulation was previously debunked here (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1185699;topicseen#msg1185699). Donald Trump became president despite receiving fewer votes than Hillary Clinton because we don't have a national election: we conduct separate elections in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, and almost all these jurisdictions choose the "electors" who will subsequently represent them in the selection of the president on a winner-take-all basis.
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Ignorance about the electoral college is massive. To top it off, the Democrats seem to think that if they come into power they'll be able to get rid of it. In order for that to happen, 38 of the 50 states would have to vote to give up their influence on a presidential election. ;D ;D 8) 8) Ain't gonna happen, guys.
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Ignorance about the electoral college is massive. To top it off, the Democrats seem to think that if they come into power they'll be able to get rid of it. In order for that to happen, 38 of the 50 states would have to vote to give up their influence on a presidential election. ;D ;D 8) 8) Ain't gonna happen, guys.
You're almost certainly right, but it's risky to say "never".
Would you ever have imagined hearing an incumbent President claim at a nationally televised debate that the upcoming election was a fraud? I mean, if it's not true and he says it anyway, shouldn't be put into an unmarked SUV in handcuffs? And if it is true, then shouldn't he as President be trying to fix what's wrong? At best, it's a huge red flag that the current government is dysfunctional. The fact that 300 million Americans seems to shrug and say, "That's just Trump" is telling all on its own. My main point being, a lot of unprecedented things seem to be happening.
If enough people in the county decide the that electoral college is no longer fulfilling a useful role, there's no telling what will happen in the future when all the current fogeys are dead and buried and someone else has the reins.
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Ignorance about the electoral college is massive.
Ignorance about a lot of things is massive. For example, I was shocked to learn that, except in Lake Wobegon, half of Americans are of below average intelligence. Our best minds are working on it, but it is an intractable problem.
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If enough people in the county decide the that electoral college is no longer fulfilling a useful role, there's no telling what will happen in the future when all the current fogeys are dead and buried and someone else has the reins.
Absolutely, Robert, but when you look at the population as a whole you realize that a lot of people become fogeys all the time, meaning they wise up as they get older. But as George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Nowadays the reason people cannot learn from history is that it's no longer taught in our schools. There's a lot of repeating coming up.
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Absolutely, Robert, but when you look at the population as a whole you realize that a lot of people become fogeys all the time, meaning they wise up as they get older. But as George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Nowadays the reason people cannot learn from history is that it's no longer taught in our schools. There's a lot of repeating coming up.
The real problem is that, for the young folks, there is more history to learn than when we were young. Who can keep up? It is relentless.
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He is deliberately and deceptively referring to votes cast by the states following the election, which are awarded differently than those cast by voters during the election, in an apparent attempt to give the impression that Trump won a majority of something in 2016. This meaningless formulation was previously debunked here (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1185699;topicseen#msg1185699). Donald Trump became president despite receiving fewer votes than Hillary Clinton because we don't have a national election: we conduct separate elections in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, and almost all these jurisdictions choose the "electors" who will subsequently represent them in the selection of the president on a winner-take-all basis.
I was not deceptive. I was responding to John Camp's post where he inaccurately said Hillary won a majority of popular votes. That isn't true. She only won 48% of the popular vote to Trump's 46%. The other 6% went to other candidates. She had a plurality of votes. You need more than 50% to have a majority. Her husband Bill Clinton only won 43% of the popular vote in 1992 when he became president. But like Trump, he won a majority of the electoral vote. Trump won a majority of the electoral votes that are required to become president. Trump won 57% to Hillary's 43%. Bill Clinton's electoral vote majority win was 69% to Bush's 31%. So Bill Clinton won more electoral votes that Trump did even though Trump had a larger popular vote percentage. Mixing popular votes with electoral votes is fraught with mistakes. You know better.
The national popular vote is a feel good measure. But it's the electoral vote that counts. We're a Federal Republic of 50 sovereign states. To win the presidency you need to win more popular votes in enough states that provide you with over 50% of the states' electoral votes. So you're getting more popular votes on a state by state level if not on a national level. That's what Trump did. Arguing that Trump didn't win a majority of anything is false and is what's being deceptive on your part.
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The real problem is that, for the young folks, there is more history to learn than when we were young. Who can keep up? It is relentless.
And it always will be “relentless,” Fab. But fortunately there’s a lot of recent history to learn from. Venezuela is a classic. Until Chavez brought in socialism it was the wealthiest country in south America. Now its people are starving. There’s a similar history for Cuba over a longer period of time. The lessons are right there, but a lot of people aren’t learning them. Unless people with an understanding of history can hold on, everyone’s going to have to learn the hard lessons all over again. But so it’s always been.
I'm outta here again.
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You're almost certainly right, but it's risky to say "never".
Would you ever have imagined hearing an incumbent President claim at a nationally televised debate that the upcoming election was a fraud? I mean, if it's not true and he says it anyway, shouldn't be put into an unmarked SUV in handcuffs? And if it is true, then shouldn't he as President be trying to fix what's wrong? At best, it's a huge red flag that the current government is dysfunctional. The fact that 300 million Americans seems to shrug and say, "That's just Trump" is telling all on its own. My main point being, a lot of unprecedented things seem to be happening.
If enough people in the county decide the that electoral college is no longer fulfilling a useful role, there's no telling what will happen in the future when all the current fogeys are dead and buried and someone else has the reins.
It's not the old fogeys that will keep the electoral system. It's all the residents, young and old, living in the smaller populated states that will object as they will be marginalized if we switch to a popular vote. They will be giving up power and influence that they won't want to do. If we go to a national popular vote system, these small states will be ignored as candidates focus all their time and energy trying to please big state needs. The needs of people in these smaller state will be ignored. If you lived in a small state, would you want to give up your state's power and be ignored by Washington DC? This is why we have the electoral system originally. It was to satisfy the concerns of the small states then when we founded our country.
There are additional problems with a national popular vote. The two party system will disappear and become a multi-party system since the need for majority vote will no longer be needed to win. Like a parliamentary system, the Democrat and Republican Parties will become less powerful as third and fourth parties develop. That's why in the end, both Democrats and Republicans won't want to give up the electoral system. Their power will be significantly reduced.
Also, rather than having the winner get the most popular votes, they will get less and less as more candidates run. So the power to run the country as a mandate of majority electoral votes will no longer happen. The electoral system gives the winner a majority over 50% win. That will end. Then you could have a winner with only 35% of the popular vote running the country. 65% of the people voted against him or her. What kind of mandate is that?
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So Trump is mad at Meadows for revealing his true condition. As CNN reports:
"A separate White House official confirmed Trump is unhappy with Meadows, as the chief of staff is now viewed by Trump advisers as having damaged the credibility of the current medical briefings on the President's bout with the coronavirus."
Imagine the truth damaging the credibility of the briefings. The doctor evading the oxygen question was what damaged the credibility of the briefings. He was a lousy evader. He'll get better at it with practice.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/04/politics/trump-mark-meadows-chief-of-staff/index.html
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According to a recent study, Fox News uses the word "hate" five times more often in its broadcasts than MSNBC. It's hardly a surprise; their presenters are frequently apoplectic. Get a grip. I wonder what the statistics are for having a stroke in the middle of a program. And the viewers. I don't know how anyone makes it though a whole show without getting up a least twice to kick the dog. Wowser.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-fox-news-really-brings-the-hate
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Trump's campaign seems to be defending lack of Covid protection measures, https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/519538-trump-campaign-defends-lack-of-covid-19-precautions-before (https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/519538-trump-campaign-defends-lack-of-covid-19-precautions-before).
Huh?
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According to a recent study, Fox News uses the word "hate" five times more often in its broadcasts than MSNBC. It's hardly a surprise; their presenters are frequently apoplectic. Get a grip. I wonder what the statistics are for having a stroke in the middle of a program. And the viewers. I don't know how anyone makes it though a whole show without getting up a least twice to kick the dog. Wowser.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-shows-fox-news-really-brings-the-hate
The Daily Beast article was blocked for me as a non-subscriber. Here's a link to another article on the study...
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/29/is-fox-news-obsessed-with-hate-study-finds-network-uses-this-word-five-times-more-than-its-rivals_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/09/29/is-fox-news-obsessed-with-hate-study-finds-network-uses-this-word-five-times-more-than-its-rivals_partner/)
And this is the study that is referred to in the articles...
https://cdn.theconversation.com/Hate_on_Fox_News_draft_report_9-28-20.pdf (https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1255/Hate_on_Fox_News_draft_report_9-28-20.pdf?1601308357)
Excerpt from the conclusion
"Using “they hate” in the way outlined above serves to dismiss potentially valid criticism of Republican policies and personnel as being driven by irrational hatred. The “the hate” heuristic might therefore help explain (Rand et al., 2014) why so many Republicans resist corrections of Trump’s false assertions (Walker and Gottfried, 2019). As our data shows, intensely partisan hosts like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are more likely than others to use the phrase. Nevertheless, it appeared throughout evening programming, uttered by hosts, interviewees and Republican sources, all using the same heuristic to paint Trump critics as literally unbelievable enemies making bad-faith assertions.
Fox News constructs two dueling imagined communities(Warner and Villamil, 2017) for their audiences: “Us,” a community arising in part from the common, irrational hatred directed at them by the nefarious "Other" community: Democrats, liberals, the left and mainstream media, the “elite” that is ruining the country (Bahador et al., 2019). Repeatedly telling Fox viewers they are bound together as objects of contempt from large, powerful groups of fellow Americans likely fosters an in-group mentality (Happer and Philo, 2013) as it deepens feelings of antipathy towards the hateful out-groups (Pew Research Center, 2016). Fox personalities and guests appear to use this roundabout way of rousing viewers’ emotional involvement, constantly reinforcing a commonsense view of good folks under siege. Fox may be boosting its ratings (Lahut, 2020) at the cost of undermining American social capital (Gopnik, 2020) (trust among fellow citizens)—just when democratic legitimacy and values (Durante et al., 2020) are under particular stress, and state institutions confront crises like Covid-19 (Bartscher et al., 2020).
More research is needed on how diverging news diets (Jurkowitz et al., 2020) might be asymmetrically instilling a belief (Flynn et al., 2017) that the Other side hates Us and how this fits into the larger picture (Yudkin et al., 2019) of heightened polarization (Barber and McCarthy, 2015), negative partisan affect (Abramowitz and Webster, 2016), and policy paralysis (Werner, 2020) affecting the US."
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No, it reflects the understanding of the current state of affairs in the USA. I wish everyone would mask, however I also realize that’s just not happening nor do I expect it to happen here anytime in the future. As such you make the choices that suit your beliefs and health needs.
Yes, and as people accept this COVID-19 infections will continue and people will needlessly die. If you are not part of the solution trying to convince people to wear masks then you are part of the problem. Pretty simple public health 101.
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Clinton did not have a majority of the popular votes. She only had 48%. That means more people voted against her than for her. Trump had a majority of the electoral votes, approximately 57%.
A sure road to dissolution of the federal republic if this continues.
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Absolutely, Robert, but when you look at the population as a whole you realize that a lot of people become fogeys all the time, meaning they wise up as they get older. But as George Santayana said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Nowadays the reason people cannot learn from history is that it's no longer taught in our schools. There's a lot of repeating coming up.
The one thing we know for sure is that old white men are one of President Trump's main source of support.
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The one thing we know for sure is that old white men are one of President Trump's main source of support.
Trump is their hero. He banged a Playboy bunny and a porn star. Just thinking about it keeps those old guys alive.
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It's not the old fogeys that will keep the electoral system. It's all the residents, young and old, living in the smaller populated states that will object as they will be marginalized if we switch to a popular vote. They will be giving up power and influence that they won't want to do. If we go to a national popular vote system, these small states will be ignored as candidates focus all their time and energy trying to please big state needs.
That's the exact and precise opposite of the truth. C'mon, think! With the electoral college, there is no motivation for a candidate to campaign in a state that is sure to go for him or for his opponent. With the EC, 10,000 more GOP votes in NY, or 10,000 more Dem votes in Oklahoma, won't make one whit of difference. With a popular vote, 10,000 votes will matter no matter where they come from. As it is, candidates DO NOT spend time trying to please "big state needs," but rather to win votes in swing states.
There are additional problems with a national popular vote. The two party system will disappear and become a multi-party system since the need for majority vote will no longer be needed to win.
Sez who? There's no reason we cannot have a pop vote that requires a majority. And no one is suggesting a parliamentary system.
Also, rather than having the winner get the most popular votes, they will get less and less as more candidates run. So the power to run the country as a mandate of majority electoral votes will no longer happen. The electoral system gives the winner a majority over 50% win. That will end. Then you could have a winner with only 35% of the popular vote running the country. 65% of the people voted against him or her. What kind of mandate is that?
Yet again, non-issues. We can require a pop vote majority or we can use a ranked voting system. But you are right in that we certainly don't want a leader who won only a minority of votes. Like now.
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Latest on Trump. He is having a Driving Miss Daisy moment. Apparently he is taking a car ride around the neighborhood waving at people. For the love of God.
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Latest on Trump. He is having a Driving Miss Daisy moment. Apparently he is taking a car ride around the neighborhood waving at people. For the love of God.
So.. willfully and knowingly exposing the secret service guys who have to drive him around so he can have a photo op? Sounds about right. (What an asshole.)
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The Daily Beast article was blocked for me as a non-subscriber. Here's a link to another article on the study...
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/29/is-fox-news-obsessed-with-hate-study-finds-network-uses-this-word-five-times-more-than-its-rivals_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/09/29/is-fox-news-obsessed-with-hate-study-finds-network-uses-this-word-five-times-more-than-its-rivals_partner/)
And this is the study that is referred to in the articles...
https://cdn.theconversation.com/Hate_on_Fox_News_draft_report_9-28-20.pdf (https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1255/Hate_on_Fox_News_draft_report_9-28-20.pdf?1601308357)
Excerpt from the conclusion
"Using “they hate” in the way outlined above serves to dismiss potentially valid criticism of Republican policies and personnel as being driven by irrational hatred. The “the hate” heuristic might therefore help explain (Rand et al., 2014) why so many Republicans resist corrections of Trump’s false assertions (Walker and Gottfried, 2019). As our data shows, intensely partisan hosts like Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson are more likely than others to use the phrase. Nevertheless, it appeared throughout evening programming, uttered by hosts, interviewees and Republican sources, all using the same heuristic to paint Trump critics as literally unbelievable enemies making bad-faith assertions.
Fox News constructs two dueling imagined communities(Warner and Villamil, 2017) for their audiences: “Us,” a community arising in part from the common, irrational hatred directed at them by the nefarious "Other" community: Democrats, liberals, the left and mainstream media, the “elite” that is ruining the country (Bahador et al., 2019). Repeatedly telling Fox viewers they are bound together as objects of contempt from large, powerful groups of fellow Americans likely fosters an in-group mentality (Happer and Philo, 2013) as it deepens feelings of antipathy towards the hateful out-groups (Pew Research Center, 2016). Fox personalities and guests appear to use this roundabout way of rousing viewers’ emotional involvement, constantly reinforcing a commonsense view of good folks under siege. Fox may be boosting its ratings (Lahut, 2020) at the cost of undermining American social capital (Gopnik, 2020) (trust among fellow citizens)—just when democratic legitimacy and values (Durante et al., 2020) are under particular stress, and state institutions confront crises like Covid-19 (Bartscher et al., 2020).
More research is needed on how diverging news diets (Jurkowitz et al., 2020) might be asymmetrically instilling a belief (Flynn et al., 2017) that the Other side hates Us and how this fits into the larger picture (Yudkin et al., 2019) of heightened polarization (Barber and McCarthy, 2015), negative partisan affect (Abramowitz and Webster, 2016), and policy paralysis (Werner, 2020) affecting the US."
This is really fascinating stuff. In a just world there would be more discussion of the real role that media can/does play that didn't devolve into "the liberal media" and "Faux news." Though my political affiliations are pretty clear, I'd be curious as to what, presumably more subtle, turns of phrase come from nominally neutral and left-leaning media sources that work their messaging in a similar manner.
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No change from the past.
Only difference is the communication diarhhia
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Yes, and as people accept this COVID-19 infections will continue and people will needlessly die. If you are not part of the solution trying to convince people to wear masks then you are part of the problem. Pretty simple public health 101.
No, it’s not my job or yours. It’s no ones job except those who chose to or not wear a mask, until it becomes against the law to not wear a mask. Even then some will choose to ignore the law.
My job, and yours is to make the choices that best suit you and yours. Period.
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So.. willfully and knowingly exposing the secret service guys who have to drive him around so he can have a photo op? Sounds about right. (What an asshole.)
Is he still contagious?
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This is really fascinating stuff. In a just world there would be more discussion of the real role that media can/does play that didn't devolve into "the liberal media" and "Faux news." Though my political affiliations are pretty clear, I'd be curious as to what, presumably more subtle, turns of phrase come from nominally neutral and left-leaning media sources that work their messaging in a similar manner.
Do you guys actually spend any real meaningful time watching Fox?
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Yes, and as people accept this COVID-19 infections will continue and people will needlessly die. If you are not part of the solution trying to convince people to wear masks then you are part of the problem. Pretty simple public health 101.
I think you're right. People should stop driving. After all, when you drive, people will continue to needlessly die. Are you contributing to the death of others? Pretty simple public health 101.
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A sure road to dissolution of the federal republic if this continues.
The electoral system seems to have worked for over two hundred years.
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The one thing we know for sure is that old white men are one of President Trump's main source of support.
You're an old white guy. Yet you don't support Trump. What's the matter with you?
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functioning brain cells ? ;D ;) ;D
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That's the exact and precise opposite of the truth. C'mon, think! With the electoral college, there is no motivation for a candidate to campaign in a state that is sure to go for him or for his opponent. With the EC, 10,000 more GOP votes in NY, or 10,000 more Dem votes in Oklahoma, won't make one whit of difference. With a popular vote, 10,000 votes will matter no matter where they come from. As it is, candidates DO NOT spend time trying to please "big state needs," but rather to win votes in swing states.
Sez who? There's no reason we cannot have a pop vote that requires a majority. And no one is suggesting a parliamentary system.
Yet again, non-issues. We can require a pop vote majority or we can use a ranked voting system. But you are right in that we certainly don't want a leader who won only a minority of votes. Like now.
With a popular vote, candidates won't visit or try to satisfy little states' issues. They'll spend all their time trying to increase the popular vote in big city areas in the big states. So they'll spend all their time in California, Texas, NY, FLorida, etc. The other issue is if you're doing away with the electoral system because of some perceive unfairness, than you have to eliminate the Senate. Why should little states with a few people have two senators when huge California only has two senators? The Senate is just as unfair.
If you pass a constitutional amendment requiring a majority of the popular vote, there will be many occasions where you won't get it. Any time there are third party candidates, there's a big chance no one will get a majority of the popular vote. That happened in 2016 when Hillary got 48%, Trump 46% and others 6%. However, the electoral vote system eliminated third party votes. So the electoral vote always gives one person a majority. The only reason a Parliamentary system works is because the smaller parties make deals with the larger ones. You can't do that in a popular vote system when you're only counting votes. There are no negotiations after the fact.
Trump did not win with a minority of votes. You just refuse to accept the Constitution. He won with 57% of the electoral votes. That's what counts. Popular vote doesn't mean anything.
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Do you guys actually spend any real meaningful time watching Fox?
Not really, mainly because of their loud and off-putting music.
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My job, and yours is to make the choices that best suit you and yours. Period.
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What are you thinking about?
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Latest on Trump. He is having a Driving Miss Daisy moment. Apparently he is taking a car ride around the neighborhood waving at people. For the love of God.
If Obama did it, the left press would compliment him how he's showing the American public he still doing his job as a stalwart president. Security analysts would remind us that by showing his strength even under duress, potential and real adversaries would be less likely try something foolish while the Commander-in-chief is in the hospital recovering knowing he still capable of responding to any threat to America or our allies. But because the president is Trump, what presidents normally do during these circumstances is being mocked by the press.
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Is he still contagious?
According to everything we seem to know, and assuming the timeline we’ve been provided, almost certainly.
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What are you thinking about?
Wondering how simple life must be when one is wholly unconcerned with the impact one has on his/her fellow citizens.
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So.. willfully and knowingly exposing the secret service guys who have to drive him around so he can have a photo op? Sounds about right. (What an asshole.)
The photo op shows the world the US still has an effective president and Commander-in-chief in charge of the government who can respond to any threat to America or its allies. The job of the president's doctors and secret service is to be near the president to defend him. If they didn't want to take a chance of getting infected or risk being in the line of fire or even getting shot, they should have become landscape photographers.
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Wondering how simple life must be when one is wholly unconcerned with the impact one has on his/her fellow citizens.
I’m doing my part. I can’t control what you or anyone else does. Nor can I change it, even though I would prefer everyone did their part as well.
Just curious what are you doing currently to change the behavior of othores?
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Wondering how simple life must be when one is wholly unconcerned with the impact one has on his/her fellow citizens.
Most people are concerned about family members before others. I'm sure you put them first as well and rightly so. That doesn't mean we can't care for others. However, if you put others before those you're responsible to protect, your loyalty is misplaced.
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The electoral system seems to have worked for over two hundred years.
So did feudalism, the monarchy, the Roman Empire, many of them for well over 200 years. That's not a measure of anything.
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The photo op shows the world the US still has an effective president and Commander-in-chief in charge of the government who can respond to any threat to America or its allies. The job of the president's doctors and secret service is to be near the president to defend him. If they didn't want to take a chance of getting infected or risk being in the line of fire or even getting shot, they should have become landscape photographers.
What Kool-Aid flavour do you like most? :)
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If Obama did it, the left press would compliment him how he's showing the American public he still doing his job as a stalwart president. Security analysts would remind us that by showing his strength even under duress, potential and real adversaries would be less likely try something foolish while the Commander-in-chief is in the hospital recovering knowing he still capable of responding to any threat to America or our allies. But because the president is Trump, what presidents normally do during these circumstances is being mocked by the press.
Oh stop it. Why is it that you say you can't trust the government to do anything right but now claim that Trump's going for a drive will protect the country from its enemies?
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I’m doing my part. I can’t control what you or anyone else does. Nor can I change it, even though I would prefer everyone did their part as well.
Then I guess what I would hope is that you would at least not brush off/excuse/rationalize someone with huge influence who is modeling behavior that puts you, me and the entire citizenry at least nominally at risk.
Just curious what are you doing currently to change the behavior of othores?
I've spoken up when someone around me is flaunting their unwillingness to wear a mask in situations where they are putting others at risk (and where the private business is requiring people to wear masks). Haven't been shot yet, thankfully, though one woman did tell me to fuck off. ;D. I'll also be making a call to my house rep's office tomorrow because he's the kind of jerk that actively refused to wear a mask on a commercial flight this weekend. Minimal impact, sure, but the point is that I'm not just shrugging my shoulders and accepting it.
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Oh stop it. Why is it that you say you can't trust the government to do anything right but now claim that Trump's going for a drive will protect the country from its enemies?
Alan is unencumbered by intellectual honestly or a foolish consistency of thought.
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I think you're right. People should stop driving. After all, when you drive, people will continue to needlessly die. Are you contributing to the death of others? Pretty simple public health 101.
Alan, surely you can see the difference between driving to work and going out to the bar. I think even you have enough intelligence to see there is a major difference here.
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Then I guess what I would hope is that you would at least not brush off/excuse/rationalize someone with huge influence who is modeling behavior that puts you, me and the entire citizenry at least nominally at risk.
The problem with that James is that those who flaunt wearing masks come from both sides of the aisle, and they make their choices regardless of who sits at the top. For example the latest surge seems to come from students going back to college. I might be mistaken, but I doubt most of these folks could give a rats behind what Trump says. Humans will do what humans do.
I've spoken up when someone around me is flaunting their unwillingness to wear a mask in situations where they are putting others at risk (and where the private business is requiring people to wear masks). Haven't been shot yet, thankfully, though one woman did tell me to fuck off. ;D
Not going there. If it’s a private establishment it’s their responsibility.
Added after I saw you edit... Sure it might make you feel better or even more responsible, but it’s a fools errand. At least in my book. Ymmv.
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Oh stop it. Why is it that you say you can't trust the government to do anything right but now claim that Trump's going for a drive will protect the country from its enemies?
Well if Trump was so concerned about protecting the country and its citizens...a simple 50 cents face mask would have done wonders. He then would not need to be paraded around to show the world he is still ticking...sort of like what North Korea needed to do.
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The photo op shows the world the US still has an effective president and Commander-in-chief in charge of the government who can respond to any threat to America or its allies. The job of the president's doctors and secret service is to be near the president to defend him. If they didn't want to take a chance of getting infected or risk being in the line of fire or even getting shot, they should have become landscape photographers.
Alan, I am from "the world"...and I see exactly the same thing James does....
(Added later)Everyone I speak to here in my gallery, including folks from other parts of the world all seem to see the same thing. (I had an American couple who told me they tell folks around here that they are Canadian because they are too embarrassed to call themselves "American".)
A woman has has just come in and - unprompted - said to my wife, "did you see this latest Trump nonsense? What an idiot he is..!"
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Quote from James Phillips, doctor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, who is an attending physician at Walter Reed.
Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential ‘drive-by’ just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die,” he wrote in a tweet.
“For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.”
In a second tweet, Phillips added: “That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.”
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The electoral system seems to have worked for over two hundred years.
1876, 2000, 2016 would argue that it has not worked well.
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The problem with that James is that those who flaunt wearing masks come from both sides of the aisle, and they make their choices regardless of who sits at the top. For example the latest surge seems to come from students going back to college. I might be mistaken, but I doubt most of these folks could give a rats behind what Trump says. Humans will do what humans do.
Added after I saw you edit... Sure it might make you feel better or even more responsible, but it’s a fools errand. At least in my book. Ymmv.
Yes, for sure. I'm just as frustrated with idiot college students that are determined to go to bars and hold parties as I am with the rest of the people out there not helping.
As for being a fool's errand, yeah, you're probably right on that too, but I guess I draw a distinction between not being able to FIX the problem and actually *encouraging* behavior that worsens it.
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Oh stop it. Why is it that you say you can't trust the government to do anything right but now claim that Trump's going for a drive will protect the country from its enemies?
Sure it was for political purposes as well since this is election season. But showing the world the America government's chief executive is still capable of making decisions is very important. When Kennedy was killed, Reagan shot, etc., the government always made similar displays of government in control. You don't want a jerk leader someplace in the world taking advantage thinking he can get away with some petty larceny.
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So did feudalism, the monarchy, the Roman Empire, many of them for well over 200 years. That's not a measure of anything.
You're comparing the American constitution that has given more liberty to more people than other other system in history to Feudalism, monarchy and the Roman Empire?
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Just curious what are you doing currently to change the behavior of othores?
About the only thing you can do is take care of yourself and set a good example for others. It is not worth risking being shot* for asking someone to wear a mask.
*or getting into a fist fight on an airplane
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fight-breaks-out-plane-after-passenger-refuses-wear-face-mask-n1242131
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You don't want a jerk leader someplace in the world taking advantage thinking he can get away with some petty larceny.
Too easy.
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Alan, surely you can see the difference between driving to work and going out to the bar. I think even you have enough intelligence to see there is a major difference here.
I've reported your personal attack to the moderator.
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Quote from James Phillips, doctor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, who is an attending physician at Walter Reed.
Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential ‘drive-by’ just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die,” he wrote in a tweet.
“For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.”
In a second tweet, Phillips added: “That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.”
I think the doctor should stick to medicine not car design. The car is hermetically sealed only when they want to hermetically seal it like during an actual attack. Normally, the vehicle would have to get fresh air so the occupants can breathe. Otherwise they'd be breathing recirculated stale air that could also fog up all the windows like what happens in your car during the winter when the system is on recirculation.
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1876, 2000, 2016 would argue that it has not worked well.
It worked exactly like it was suppose to particularly in those elections - giving smaller states a larger edge in votes. Our founders decided that the popular vote was not as good as the electoral system. They considered both ways and decided that the electoral system was the better way. In fact, it was modified a couple of times by Amendment. But never dropped for the popular vote.
Just because you don;t like it and favor a popular vote system doesn't mean it didn't work. It worked perfectly. It just didn't work the way you prefer. Certainly Hillary wasn't happy about it.
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Too easy.
When Pres. Reagan was shot 70 days into his first term, Secretary of State Al Haig said that "He was in control" in order to calm things down. While he's not constitutionally in the line of succession, he said it and caught a lot of flack for it. Interestingly, VP Bush, who constitutionally was in line to run the country while Reagan was incapacitated due to the shooting said: "“I don’t recall being too exercised about what Haig said,” Bush told The News. “We understood what [he] was trying to do — namely, send a strong message to our adversaries around the world who might be tempted to take advantage of the chaos of that day.”
A leadership America gives adversaries too much freedom to make mischief. Sending a strong message from the top, cools those designs.
If you're interested in the whole story, it makes an interesting read with a lot of tense action.
http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/reagan-bush/
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As for being a fool's errand, yeah, you're probably right on that too, but I guess I draw a distinction between not being able to FIX the problem and actually *encouraging* behavior that worsens it.
Just for the record, I don't encourage that behavior either.
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And now, something on the lighter side:
Twitter users take over Proud Boys hashtag with photos of LGBTQ love
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-twitter-hashtag-photos-lgbtq-love/
Talk about messing with someone's mind. I guess the Proud Boys are just going to have to get some bigger guns to compensate.
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Just for the record, I don't encourage that behavior either.
I know. You've been consistent from the start on mask-wearing, and it's appreciated (for whatever the opinion of a random internet person means ;) )
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Everyone I speak to here in my gallery, including folks from other parts of the world all seem to see the same thing. (I had an American couple who told me they tell folks around here that they are Canadian because they are too embarrassed to call themselves "American".)
A friend of mine spends usually the summers in Ontario and winters in Florida. She has there a car with US licence plate. Usually she brings that car with her to Canada, but this year she left it there, because she was told about potential harrasment of US cars in Canada.
Some Canadians driving cars with U.S. licence plates say they've endured vandalism, harassment and even a minor assault from fellow Canadians convinced that they're Americans illegally in Canada.
Lisa Watt said she was harassed twice in Calgary last month — she believes because of her Texas licence plates. In one incident, she said a driver stopped right behind her car in a parking lot and glared at her, and in another situation, a driver tailgated her car for several kilometres before pulling up beside her and flipping her the finger.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-harassment-u-s-license-plates-banff-1.5634534
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The photo op shows the world the US still has an effective president and Commander-in-chief in charge of the government who can respond to any threat to America or its allies. The job of the president's doctors and secret service is to be near the president to defend him. If they didn't want to take a chance of getting infected or risk being in the line of fire or even getting shot, they should have become landscape photographers.
If he had taken in that car also Melania, they would have scared even more American enemies.
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If he had taken in that car also Melania, they would have scared even more American enemies.
I think she's happy he's just out of the house for awhile.
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In a second tweet, Phillips added: “That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.”
As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.
Jeremy
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As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.
Jeremy
Risk of transmission inside the car is probably higher than from walking around outside in much the same way that outdoor restaurant patios are less risky than restaurant interiors. The doctor's remarks seem to be over the top. Anyway, don't these guys ride around in cars all the time. At least Trump had a mask on this trip. But I agree with the doctor that it was a nutty thing to do, just another clownish photo op, but some people think those are important.
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As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.
Jeremy
Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.
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But I agree with the doctor that it was a nutty thing to do, just another clownish photo op, but some people think those are important.
I don’t think we can rule out a stunt double. It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.
Does anyone else think Sean Conley sounds as daft as Ronny Jackson? Where do they get these guys?
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I don’t think we can rule out a stunt double. It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.
Or maybe MacGyver found him an antidote. :)
(You know, if you started signing your name "Q", the interweb would go insane.)
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Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.
Who would want to get in a car with someone infected with COVID? Ventilation or no ventilation? it wouldn’t be prudent. What the Secret Service needs to do is to call Google and get one of those self-driving cars. They could hire Clint Eastwood to run along side it wearing an earpiece and some cool looking sunglasses. Seems like that would deter the bad guys more than a couple of agents sitting in the front seat wearing plastic trash bags and swim goggles. Why do I always have to be the one to think up these obvious solutions?
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Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.
Everyone's an expert. We've got loads of them here at LuLa. :)
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Everyone's an expert. We've got loads of them here at LuLa. :)
Speaking about experts - many of them are saying that once you get the C19 virus, the disease will leave lasting effects in many organs even after the patient heals - including heart, lungs and brain damage. Not good for aggressive debaters.
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Another example of Republicans trying to prevent people from voting, here in Texas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveDF7K2STo
Cheers,
Bernard
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Speaking about experts - many of them are saying that once you get the C19 virus, the disease will leave lasting effects in many organs even after the patient heals - including heart, lungs and brain damage. Not good for aggressive debaters.
Phew. That leaves me out.
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Phew. That leaves me out.
You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.
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As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.
Jeremy
I know nothing of this kind of thing, but I would assume that the air is routinely purified (it can be in my car) and is perhaps supplied from air tanks inside in case of an obvious gas attack...although, how obvious gas attacks might be, I have no idea. In any case, I suspect the "outgassing" of virus particles from a heavily infected man sitting in the back of an SUV and breathing toward the front would not be good for people sitting in the front. Large as the car may be for a car, it's not a large space. I read, however, that the agents in the front were wearing comprehensive protective gear so perhaps it wasn't a major threat to their health. However major or minor the threat might have been, it was an unnecessary one.
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It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.
Imagine finding that at the back of your freezer!
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You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.
Mr President, who have access to your medical cares >:(
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You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.
I would never go to a VA hospital even though I'm a vet. It's not safe.
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I know nothing of this kind of thing, but I would assume that the air is routinely purified (it can be in my car) and is perhaps supplied from air tanks inside in case of an obvious gas attack...although, how obvious gas attacks might be, I have no idea. In any case, I suspect the "outgassing" of virus particles from a heavily infected man sitting in the back of an SUV and breathing toward the front would not be good for people sitting in the front. Large as the car may be for a car, it's not a large space. I read, however, that the agents in the front were wearing comprehensive protective gear so perhaps it wasn't a major threat to their health. However major or minor the threat might have been, it was an unnecessary one.
His supporters were camped out for days in front of the hospital. He went there to show his appreciation and let them know he's getting better. This is election season and he's trying to show that unlike Biden, he doesn't hide and despite the virus and his age, he's a vibrant, active, and effective leader not asleep at the switch. He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.
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His supporters were camped out for days in front of the hospital. He went there to show his appreciation and let them know he's getting better. This is election season and he's trying to show that unlike Biden, he doesn't hide and despite the virus and his age, he's a vibrant, active, and effective leader not asleep at the switch. He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.
Parading outside and exposing other people to a virus when you are infected is equally dumb as going to the office with a flu. To some it may seem heroic, but in reality it is reckless, inconsiderate and counter-productive.
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Parading outside and exposing other people to a virus when you are infected is equally dumb as going to the office with a flu. To some it may seem heroic, but in reality it is reckless, inconsiderate and counter-productive.
People who would vote for him love it.
I remember after America conquered Iraq. President Bush landed a plane on an aircraft carrier to make a speech about our victory, swaggered off the jet in a flyer's leather jacket to the cheers from the crew. They ate it up. That was dangerous too for the plane's crew. He could have more safely taken a helicopter or made his speech from the Oval Office in the White House. The Democrats were jealous he had that photo op. It's all about politics. Obama did the same thing when he flew to the Middle East secretly around the holidays to see the troops. That put loads of people in danger. The press and Republicans said nothing. It's what's expected.
Democrats hate what Trump did because it shows him a a virile leader unlike sleepy stay-in-the-basement Biden. No one really cares about the Secret Service agent. And they too understand these things happen. After all, they're protecting a politician during campaign season especially. These are the risks that come with the job and they know and accept it.
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He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.
That's America minus 200,000 Americans. Maybe better if he didn't work so hard at what he's doing?
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President Bush landed a plane on an aircraft carrier to make a speech about our victory, swaggered off the jet in a flyer's leather jacket . . .
Bush was a passenger on that military jet. A Navy pilot landed it on the aircraft carrier.
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Bush was a passenger on that military jet. A Navy pilot landed it on the aircraft carrier.
Well they claim Bush handled the controls before landing. But anyway, it was risky thing to do. Planes crash often on carrier decks. He could have taken a safer helicopter or made the speech from land. But he wanted the glory and photo op.
The press praised Obama for being brave and going to the dangerous Middle East to thank the troops. So Trump got out of his sick bed to thank his supporters and show America he's still doing his job. In Washington; not dangerous Iraq. The fact is the anti Trump press turns everything he does into a negative. Just the way it is.
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Well they claim Bush handled the controls before landing. But anyway, it was risky thing to do. Planes crash often on carrier decks. He could have taken a safer helicopter or made the speech from land. But he wanted the glory and photo op.
The press praised Obama for being brave and going to the dangerous Middle East to thank the troops. So Trump got out of his sick bed to thank his supporters and show America he's still doing his job. In Washington; not dangerous Iraq. The fact is the anti Trump press turns everything he does into a negative. Just the way it is.
Americans killed in carrier landing accidents in the last 10 years - i have no idea, maybe ... a dozen?
Americans killed by Covid-19 in the last 10 years - over 200,000
So, yeah - more or less the same.
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It worked exactly like it was suppose to particularly in those elections - giving smaller states a larger edge in votes. Our founders decided that the popular vote was not as good as the electoral system.
No, they were not. It was to protect slavery along with the 3/5 person count for owned slaves. Just because a decision was correct for 13 distinct states does not a priori mean that it is correct for today. Do you think the framers of the Constitution foresaw a country that stretched three times beyond their boundaries? Statehood decisions were constantly being made to protect slavery up to the Civil War. West Virginia only became a state because of the war. Why are their two Dakotas. Why are Alaska and Hawaii states and not Puerto Rico?
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I would never go to a VA hospital even though I'm a vet. It's not safe.
What makes you think your local community hospital is any safer?
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His supporters were camped out for days in front of the hospital. He went there to show his appreciation and let them know he's getting better. This is election season and he's trying to show that unlike Biden, he doesn't hide and despite the virus and his age, he's a vibrant, active, and effective leader not asleep at the switch. He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.
I happen to know something about this since I live a mile from Walter Reed. There is no room to camp out in front of the hospital at all. There is a sidewalk and then a perimeter fence. there were very few people there on Saturday. A larger crowd was there on Sunday and the out of state people drove down early that morning. He was signing blank pieces of paper when he was at a table that was supposed to show how hard he was working for America.
I also like how hard he has worked for all the coal miners which was one of his big ideas in 2016. 145 coal burning units have been shut down and another 5000 mining jobs have been lost since his inauguration. I'm glad we have such a good businessman who makes promises in the White House. Numbers, on the other hand, don't lie.
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I happen to know something about this since I live a mile from Walter Reed. There is no room to camp out in front of the hospital at all. There is a sidewalk and then a perimeter fence. there were very few people there on Saturday. A larger crowd was there on Sunday and the out of state people drove down early that morning.
I heard that it was larger than Woodstock.
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Well they claim Bush handled the controls before landing. But anyway, it was risky thing to do. Planes crash often on carrier decks. He could have taken a safer helicopter or made the speech from land. But he wanted the glory and photo op. In Washington; not dangerous Iraq.
I’ve “handled the controls”, too. That doesn’t mean I can land an aircraft.
He ostentatiously carried his helmet under his arm as he walked away from the jet. Doesn’t he have people for that?
The “Mission Accomplished” event was produced off the coast of California. Last time I looked at a map, nowhere near Iraq.
The sign itself required significant production expertise and expense. Designed, produced, transported and installed prior to Bush’s arrival.
And all that risk, effort and expense proved to be a lie. Sound familiar, Alan?
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I’ve “handled the controls”, too. That doesn’t mean I can land an aircraft. And all that risk, effort and expense proved to be a lie. Sound familiar, Alan?
My memory is that everyone, Republicans included, thought it was an idiotic stunt at the time. It is easily in the top ten dumbest things Bush did while in office, and there is a lot of competition. Maybe there is one guy on the internet who thinks it was heroic and Bush became a media darling.
Bush was a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after college. He flew an F-102. Apparently, he was able to take off, fly, and land his plane solo at least once. It was his way of avoiding the draft and being sent to Vietnam. Sometimes he showed up for his weekend duty; sometimes he didn't. At least he wasn't hobbling around Studio 54 on his bone spurs.
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I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 8)
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I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 8)
If you’re looking for a balanced analysis try
https://www.economist.com/us-election-2020
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I would never go to a VA hospital even though I'm a vet. It's not safe.
I thought the US honoured its soldiers.
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My memory is that everyone, Republicans included, thought it was an idiotic stunt at the time. It is easily in the top ten dumbest things Bush did while in office, and there is a lot of competition. Maybe there is one guy on the internet who thinks it was heroic and Bush became a media darling.
Bush was a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after college. He flew an F-102. Apparently, he was able to take off, fly, and land his plane solo at least once. It was his way of avoiding the draft and being sent to Vietnam. Sometimes he showed up for his weekend duty; sometimes he didn't. At least he wasn't hobbling around Studio 54 on his bone spurs.
Could you please help me out? I'm looking for the US military service records of Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I'm having trouble finding them. Do you know where they might be found?
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Could you please help me out? I'm looking for the US military service records of Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I'm having trouble finding them. Do you know where they might be found?
I would search for them using Google. No idea what you will find, if anything.
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Could you please help me out? I'm looking for the US military service records of Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I'm having trouble finding them. Do you know where they might be found?
I wonder if they ever insulted McCain for being captured. I wonder if they ever insulted soldiers' graves, calling them suckers.
Normally, I stay away from "what aboutism" but I did it this time, reluctantly.
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I wonder if they ever insulted McCain for being captured. I wonder if they ever insulted soldiers' graves, calling them suckers.
Normally, I stay away from "what aboutism" but I did it this time, reluctantly.
Well we know Biden call soliders "stupid bastards".
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I would search for them using Google. No idea what you will find, if anything.
Well I did find that star high school athlete Joe Biden got a draft deferment after he graduated collage for asthma.
Can't find anything about him dancing.
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Well I did find that star high school athlete Joe Biden got a draft deferment after he graduated collage for asthma.
Can't find anything about him dancing.
Biden doesn't really seem like the dancing type. As President, I think you only have to dance the first dance at the first inauguration party you attend. It is like a wedding; you just shuffle around for a minute and you are done. I think Trump did an acceptable job. I mean it was obvious that he didn't know how to dance, but expectations are pretty low. As long as Biden doesn't let the guy who designed Sean Spicer's outfit for Dancing with the Stars dress him, I think he will be able to pull it off too. It is not exactly a Broadway show. Not that anyone will be watching inauguration party coverage anyway.
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No, they were not. It was to protect slavery along with the 3/5 person count for owned slaves. Just because a decision was correct for 13 distinct states does not a priori mean that it is correct for today. Do you think the framers of the Constitution foresaw a country that stretched three times beyond their boundaries? Statehood decisions were constantly being made to protect slavery up to the Civil War. West Virginia only became a state because of the war. Why are their two Dakotas. Why are Alaska and Hawaii states and not Puerto Rico?
The 3/5 issue was a minor part of any reasoning as settled by the Connecticut Compromise that assigned two extra seats to the upper house as the Senate became. This protected smaller states at a time when the South with its slaves were actually growing faster the the northern states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_Compromise
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No, they were not. It was to protect slavery along with the 3/5 person count for owned slaves. Just because a decision was correct for 13 distinct states does not a priori mean that it is correct for today. Do you think the framers of the Constitution foresaw a country that stretched three times beyond their boundaries? Statehood decisions were constantly being made to protect slavery up to the Civil War. West Virginia only became a state because of the war. Why are their two Dakotas. Why are Alaska and Hawaii states and not Puerto Rico?
If the constitution should be changed, then it can be by amendments as it has many many times. YOu want a popular vote only. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.
I don't understand your point about the various states.The one I'm familiar with, Puerto Rico, has not become a state because the people there have voted to not become one. Of course, we know that you want them too so you can get two additional Democrat senators. But I think we should leave it up to Puerto Ricans to decide by popular vote what they wish to do as they have for decades. Democrats do believe in Democracy, don't they? Or will Democrats force it down their throats for political advantage?
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I’ve “handled the controls”, too. That doesn’t mean I can land an aircraft.
He ostentatiously carried his helmet under his arm as he walked away from the jet. Doesn’t he have people for that?
The “Mission Accomplished” event was produced off the coast of California. Last time I looked at a map, nowhere near Iraq.
The sign itself required significant production expertise and expense. Designed, produced, transported and installed prior to Bush’s arrival.
And all that risk, effort and expense proved to be a lie. Sound familiar, Alan?
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Non-sequitur. You respond like CNN.
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My memory is that everyone, Republicans included, thought it was an idiotic stunt at the time. It is easily in the top ten dumbest things Bush did while in office, and there is a lot of competition. Maybe there is one guy on the internet who thinks it was heroic and Bush became a media darling.
Bush was a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard after college. He flew an F-102. Apparently, he was able to take off, fly, and land his plane solo at least once. It was his way of avoiding the draft and being sent to Vietnam. Sometimes he showed up for his weekend duty; sometimes he didn't. At least he wasn't hobbling around Studio 54 on his bone spurs.
Your memory is very faulty. Landing on a carrier in an aviator's leather jacket to be with the troops was pure political braggadocio and Republicans loved it. I don't recall if Bush had aviator sunglasses on too? 8)
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I thought the US honoured its soldiers.
It does. Unfortunately, most things government does it does poorly, including the VA. They should give vouchers to the vets to use at private doctors and hospitals and shut down the VA system except for special needs not handled by private care.
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Could you please help me out? I'm looking for the US military service records of Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I'm having trouble finding them. Do you know where they might be found?
They are in the same file as President Trump's. this is not a secret. Of the ones you mention, Obama came of age after the draft ended and an all-volunteer army was instituted. Of course you know he is not a US citizen and had no obligation to serve. In addition, the percentage of Americans enlisting in the military is way down from the draft period.
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They are in the same file as President Trump's. this is not a secret. Of the ones you mention, Obama came of age after the draft ended and an all-volunteer army was instituted. Of course you know he is not a US citizen and had no obligation to serve. In addition, the percentage of Americans enlisting in the military is way down from the draft period.
LOL, interesting tidbit: When I was 18 and a resident alien I had to register for the draft.
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Well I did find that star high school athlete Joe Biden got a draft deferment after he graduated collage for asthma.
I can tell you from first hand knowledge that asthma was an automatic 4-F disqualification from service. I dutifully reported for my draft physical in 1970 (my lottery number was 23). I was under treatment for asthma since the age of seven. I went all the way through the physical and at the end was instructed by the Army staff person that I was not fit for military service and if I tried to enlist, would be refused for duty. I was also a high school athlete but the medical rules were the medical rules.
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Trump fails again this year to be awarded a MacArthur genius grant
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/us/macarthur-genius-grant-winners/index.html
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The US colony of Puerto Rico has had multiple votes on statehood. The most recent were in 2012 and 2017. The majority voted for statehood in both of those referendums. There has been support for statehood for Puerto Rico from both parties over decades. The population of Puerto Rico is over three million people and larger than that of 21 states.
The Democratic platform of 1940 said: "We favor a larger measure of self-government leading to statehood, for Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. We favor the appointment of residents to office, and equal treatment of the citizens of each of these three territories."
President Gerald Ford proposed statehood in 1976: "I believe that the appropriate status for Puerto Rico is statehood. I propose, therefore, that the people of Puerto Rico and the Congress of the United States begin now to take those steps which will result in statehood for Puerto Rico. I will recommend to the 95th Congress the enactment of legislation providing for the admission of Puerto Rico as a State of the Union."
President Ronald Reagan favored statehood: "I favor statehood for Puerto Rico and if the people of Puerto Rico vote for statehood in their coming referendum I would, as President, initiate the enabling legislation to make this a reality."
President George H. W. Bush raised the issue of statehood before Congress in his first State of the Union message in 1989: "There's another issue that I’ve decided to mention here tonight. I’ve long believed that the people of Puerto Rico should have the right to determine their own political future. Personally, I strongly favor statehood. But I urge the Congress to take the necessary steps to allow the people to decide in a referendum."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico)
It's well past the time for the United States to get out of the business of being a colonial power. The citizenship, governing, and voting rights of the various citizens in the remaining island colonies is a mess of inconsistencies. It's absurd.
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Trump fails again this year to be awarded a MacArthur genius grant
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/us/macarthur-genius-grant-winners/index.html
He still has a week of waiting to see if he wins the Nobel Peace Prize!! There is still hope for the Trumpistas who comment here.
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They are in the same file as President Trump's. this is not a secret. Of the ones you mention, Obama came of age after the draft ended and an all-volunteer army was instituted. Of course you know he is not a US citizen and had no obligation to serve. In addition, the percentage of Americans enlisting in the military is way down from the draft period.
My oh my Alan.
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The US colony of Puerto Rico has had multiple votes on statehood. The most recent were in 2012 and 2017. The majority voted for statehood in both of those referendums. There has been support for statehood for Puerto Rico from both parties over decades. The population of Puerto Rico is over three million people and larger than that of 21 states.
The Democratic platform of 1940 said: "We favor a larger measure of self-government leading to statehood, for Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico. We favor the appointment of residents to office, and equal treatment of the citizens of each of these three territories."
President Gerald Ford proposed statehood in 1976: "I believe that the appropriate status for Puerto Rico is statehood. I propose, therefore, that the people of Puerto Rico and the Congress of the United States begin now to take those steps which will result in statehood for Puerto Rico. I will recommend to the 95th Congress the enactment of legislation providing for the admission of Puerto Rico as a State of the Union."
President Ronald Reagan favored statehood: "I favor statehood for Puerto Rico and if the people of Puerto Rico vote for statehood in their coming referendum I would, as President, initiate the enabling legislation to make this a reality."
President George H. W. Bush raised the issue of statehood before Congress in his first State of the Union message in 1989: "There's another issue that I’ve decided to mention here tonight. I’ve long believed that the people of Puerto Rico should have the right to determine their own political future. Personally, I strongly favor statehood. But I urge the Congress to take the necessary steps to allow the people to decide in a referendum."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico)
It's well past the time for the United States to get out of the business of being a colonial power. The citizenship, governing, and voting rights of the various citizens in the remaining island colonies is a mess of inconsistencies. It's absurd.
I didn't know there was a positive referendum in 2012 for Puerto Rico statehood. Thanks for telling us. Apparently, because there were almost 500,000 blank ballots in the 2012 referendum, creating confusion as to the voters' true desire, Congress, which has to vote to make it official, decided to ignore the results. There's was another one in 2017 when a boycott occurred and only 20% of the people voted. Apparently there's going to be another referendum in November.
There's nothing saying the people there might vote to remain a territory of the US rather than becoming a state. Some residents there want become an independent nation. The are advantages and disadvantages for each category. It's one of the reasons they had voted most of the time to not become a state and have to pay taxes or support themselves as a independent nation.
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If you’re looking for a balanced analysis try
https://www.economist.com/us-election-2020
Another useful aggregator is FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/).
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I can tell you from first hand knowledge that asthma was an automatic 4-F disqualification from service. I dutifully reported for my draft physical in 1970 (my lottery number was 23). I was under treatment for asthma since the age of seven. I went all the way through the physical and at the end was instructed by the Army staff person that I was not fit for military service and if I tried to enlist, would be refused for duty. I was also a high school athlete but the medical rules were the medical rules.
Oh yea, it had to be the rules...you bet.
Biden was 1-Y, had a "history" of Asthma as a teenager.
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I can tell you from first hand knowledge that asthma was an automatic 4-F disqualification from service. I dutifully reported for my draft physical in 1970 (my lottery number was 23). I was under treatment for asthma since the age of seven. I went all the way through the physical and at the end was instructed by the Army staff person that I was not fit for military service and if I tried to enlist, would be refused for duty. I was also a high school athlete but the medical rules were the medical rules.
When I went for my physical to enlist in the USAF in 1963, the doctor there held me up. He said I had a scoliosis - curvature of the spine and couldn't serve. He told me to wait at his desk while he went to get another doctor to confirm. When he left, I ignored his instructions and ran forward to catch up with the other enlistees and "passed" the physical and served over four years. Always the rebel.
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Trump shut down negotiations for a stimulus package promising that when he wins, he'll get all the out of work people and small businesses all the help they need. Makes sense. He flipped Democrats actual plans to really not want to give the money to out of work people who will vote against Trump. Now, he'll complaint they just wanted to give money to those rich people in NY and California when Trump and Republicans want to get the regular people the money.
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I've spoken up when someone around me is flaunting their unwillingness to wear a mask in situations where they are putting others at risk (and where the private business is requiring people to wear masks). Haven't been shot yet, thankfully, though one woman did tell me to fuck off. ;D. I'll also be making a call to my house rep's office tomorrow because he's the kind of jerk that actively refused to wear a mask on a commercial flight this weekend. Minimal impact, sure, but the point is that I'm not just shrugging my shoulders and accepting it.
Just for you James :)
Punches thrown over passenger who won't wear mask on airplane.
An argument over face masks turned physical on an Allegiant Airlines flight from Mesa, Ariz., to Provo, Utah, on Saturday.
A passenger on the flight was wearing a face shield and a flight attendant asked him to wear a face mask as well, KSL TV reported. Allegiant’s policy is that face shields must be worn in addition to a face covering, not as an alternative.
https://thehill.com/homenews/519655-punches-thrown-over-passenger-who-wont-wear-mask-on-airplane
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Just for you James :)
Punches thrown over passenger who won't wear mask on airplane.
An argument over face masks turned physical on an Allegiant Airlines flight from Mesa, Ariz., to Provo, Utah, on Saturday.
A passenger on the flight was wearing a face shield and a flight attendant asked him to wear a face mask as well, KSL TV reported. Allegiant’s policy is that face shields must be worn in addition to a face covering, not as an alternative.
https://thehill.com/homenews/519655-punches-thrown-over-passenger-who-wont-wear-mask-on-airplane
He didn't deserve to be punched, just removed from the plane.
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Another useful aggregator is FiveThirtyEight (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/).
Thank you.
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Plumbing new depths today.
Facebook removes POTUS posts for promoting blatant falsehoods.
Pence insists that the VP debate be conducted seated !
Can the last one really be true ?
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Plumbing new depths today.
Facebook removes POTUS posts for promoting blatant falsehoods.
Pence insists that the VP debate be conducted seated !
Can the last one really be true ?
Falsehoods are in the eye of the beholder. Especially when discussing political statements during election season when bias of the editor can sway interpretations. They shouldn't censor anything. Politicians words should be reported without edits.
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Pence insists that the VP debate be conducted seated!
What's with that? Is he unable to stand at a lectern for 90 minutes. I mean he can lean on it if he wants. Maybe he has low blood pressure and is afraid of fainting. Elastic hosiery should take care of that. I am still wondering if his wife is going to sit with him on stage. Maybe he has gotten special dispensation to go it alone since there will now be 12 feet and a plexiglass shield between him and Harris. I am not really up on those rules. Anyone?
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Can you imagine the moderator here editing, deleting or otherwise censoring what Nikon owners say or Canon owner's say in response about their cameras? Let the buyer beware.
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Falsehoods are in the eye of the beholder.
Opinions are in the eye of the beholder. Falsehoods remain false regardless of the eye or the beholder.
Unless of course your reason has been replaced with ideology; in which case, everything that fits your ideology is true and everything that doesn't is false. There are no limits to which one will go to rationalize falsehoods to be true in that scenario.
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I like the other expression that says opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.
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There are no limits to which one will go to rationalize falsehoods to be true in that scenario.
And when that fails... distract, deflect, distort, or diminish.
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Falsehoods are in the eye of the beholder.
Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.
Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h
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Just for you James :)
Punches thrown over passenger who won't wear mask on airplane.
An argument over face masks turned physical on an Allegiant Airlines flight from Mesa, Ariz., to Provo, Utah, on Saturday.
A passenger on the flight was wearing a face shield and a flight attendant asked him to wear a face mask as well, KSL TV reported. Allegiant’s policy is that face shields must be worn in addition to a face covering, not as an alternative.
https://thehill.com/homenews/519655-punches-thrown-over-passenger-who-wont-wear-mask-on-airplane
SMH. Dude was being escorted off the plane, problem solved. The heckler should have shut up, the guy (I assume, could be a woman I guess) should have just put on the mask. What a colossal waste of time all around for the other passengers that just wanted to get the flight over with.
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What's with that? Is he unable to stand at a lectern for 90 minutes. I mean he can lean on it if he wants. Maybe he has low blood pressure and is afraid of fainting. Elastic hosiery should take care of that. I am still wondering if his wife is going to sit with him on stage. Maybe he has gotten special dispensation to go it alone since there will now be 12 feet and a plexiglass shield between him and Harris. I am not really up on those rules. Anyone?
He's arguing about the plexiglass shield too, for some bizarre reason.
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Trump shut down negotiations for a stimulus package promising that when he wins, he'll get all the out of work people and small businesses all the help they need. Makes sense. He flipped Democrats actual plans to really not want to give the money to out of work people who will vote against Trump. Now, he'll complaint they just wanted to give money to those rich people in NY and California when Trump and Republicans want to get the regular people the money.
Oh yeah. It's a total genius move to announce that you're deliberately tanking the economy for 60 days in order to blackmail the electorate into voting for you.
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Oh yeah. It's a total genius move to announce that you're deliberately tanking the economy for 60 days in order to blackmail the electorate into voting for you.
Pelosi has no intention of moving. Pass a few clean bills. Quit playing games. This has been going on for months with no resolution in sight. A pox on both of their houses.
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Pelosi has no intention of moving. Pass a few clean bills. Quit playing games. This has been going on for months with no resolution in sight. A pox on both of their houses.
Agree 100% that they should all be willing to pass some clean bills here to help the country.
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Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.
Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h
Thanks. A timeline of actions, inaction, and statements well worth watching.
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Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.
Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h
Thank you, never heard of Led by Donkeys till now.
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I like the other expression that says opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.
Cute but not really true is it. Some opinions are correct, others aren't.
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Cute but not really true is it. Some opinions are correct, others aren't.
Some people don’t have a$$holes.
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Thanks. A timeline of actions, inaction, and statements well worth watching.
Couldn't agree more. No satire, a very serious video.
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I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 8)
Sadly, Russ, this is indeed what passes for "informed debate".
Jeremy
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I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 8)
Sadly, Russ, this is indeed what passes for "informed debate".
Jeremy
While I'm sure that there is much worthy of criticism here, when presented in such a vague manner the critique tends to sound more condescending than informed.
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Further to Alan thinking that he knows how the rest of the world views Trump's antics, this link from a South African news outlet and speaks, I would think, for a large number of people everywhere.
It is an "appeal to the overwhelming majority of good and rights-loving people in the USA to use the last month before the election to campaign and to vote to advance the best interests of all the people in the USA and the world."
In case you want to dismiss this as "left-wing liberal" I include FactCheck's assesment of the Daily Maverick.
(I also realise that posting this here is probably a waste of time... :'()
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-10-07-letter-to-american-voters-vote-for-all-our-rights/
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If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
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If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
Well at least American banks would lend him money, more than you can say for the opponent.
Your "socialist panic" warnings are sounding more and more shrill, you know.
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If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
- socialist: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him socialist. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- physically challenged guy: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him physically challenged. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- loosing his mental faculty: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump says he is loosing his mental faculties. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Trump shut down negotiations for a stimulus package promising that when he wins, he'll get all the out of work people and small businesses all the help they need. Makes sense. He flipped Democrats actual plans to really not want to give the money to out of work people who will vote against Trump. Now, he'll complaint they just wanted to give money to those rich people in NY and California when Trump and Republicans want to get the regular people the money.
I have been literally laughing out loud for 30 seconds after reading this.
Trump would want to give money to regular people.
On what kind of drugs are you Alan? Trump has done everything he could for nearly 4 years to help the super rich get richer. He has done nothing for regular Americans. He doesn't care the least bit about regular Americans, just like he doesn't care about war veterans. For him "regular" and "sucker" are synonyms.
Cheers,
Bernard
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- socialist: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him socialist. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- physically challenged guy: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him physically challenged. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- loosing his mental faculty: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump says he is loosing his mental faculties. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
Cheers,
Bernard
Biden's conversion to the left and his decrease in mental ability comes from Biden himself. I've been watching him since the days when put hair plugs in his head and plagiarized other person's speeches.
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The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you? When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?
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Biden's conversion to the left and his decrease in mental ability comes from Biden himself. I've been watching him since the days when put hair plugs in his head and plagiarized other person's speeches.
Even if that were true and if Biden did absolutely nothing it would still do a lot less damage than Trump.
Besides if you were to convince the world that you are right the message would remain that you vote more against Biden than for Trump. And that is more telling than any spelled out argument. Even the most hard core fan isn’t really one.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The clowns at the White House can't even keep their lies straight about whether Trump was in the Oval Office or the residence yesterday. It doesn't matter whether he was in the Oval Office or the residence yesterday. What does matter is their lying about it. Just like they lie about everything else. Day in, day out, 24/7, non-stop.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/kudlow-refuses-to-say-whether-trump-wore-a-mask-in-return-to-oval-office.html
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I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.
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Given the poliitcal discussion as to wearing masks I thought it might be informative to post a chart of mask effectivness.
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I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.
Trump knows he won't get any credit for a stimulus deal, so instead of helping everyday Americans, he'll just stall. He obviously won't do anything as a lame duck. He wouldn't get anything out of it. His executive action flurry in August didn't help him because it was a nothing burger, and everyone knew it. The only thing it proved was that he could scribble his name with a sharpie. A real class act.
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The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you? When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?
Honestly, it's exhausting. With my background in history, it's also fascinating, sort of like the train wreck you see coming from afar.
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The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you? When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?
Its beyond stupid. Its every two years for the House Reps. But it is what it is.
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I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.
If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing couldchave passed months ago. Its all political for her IMO. They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.
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Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?
It is not the campaign mode that drains the life force out of you; it is the idiots campaigning. And their supporters.
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Oh yea, it had to be the rules...you bet.
Biden was 1-Y, had a "history" of Asthma as a teenager.
You originally receive a 1-Y from them and in my case it was followed up about three months later by a 4-F designation. I still have the cards. Don't try to play cute with this if you have no first hand knowledge.
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If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
You might want to take another look at President Trump walking down the ramp at the West Point graduation ceremonies. You might also ask yourself why he always uses a golf cart when he plays.
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If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing ouldhave passed months ago. Its all political for her IMO. They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.
Trump's initial instincts are correct. Democrats don't want a deal. They want the unemployed to go into the voting booth still unemployed and still without any money coming from the government so they vote against Trump. They'll wait for after the election to make a deal. Or wait until 2021 when they can give all that money to their friends in the broke Democrat states who are running out of pension money.
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If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing ouldhave passed months ago. Its all political for her IMO. They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.
I wish both sides would remove their pork. I don't like how they all do that. Whitehouse renovations and new FBI headquarters need their own bills too.
But I still think people who need relief will get more after the election when Trump and his enablers are no longer in power.
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If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
How about instead of the next presidential debate they can have a race instead? Running or biking. Shoot, even walking so the obese guy can participate.
In fact I bet Joe could win if he was running and Trump was on the bike. Trump probably can't ride a bike and if you look at him it's not hard to image he can't run either.
But I'd still prefer Biden even if he was the fat slob of the two. But I'm glad he isn't.
Left leaning would be good too but I'll settle for Biden's centrist politics because that is what we have to choose from.
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You might want to take another look at President Trump walking down the ramp at the West Point graduation ceremonies. You might also ask yourself why he always uses a golf cart when he plays.
Who drinks water using two hands? Maybe he needs a sippy cup. Honestly, I wasn’t sure he was going to make it to the top of the stairs the other night. He was wandering. It was obvious he could barely breathe. And it looks like he has gained a lot of weight. Did you see the size of his jacket. Not exactly the picture of health even before COVID.
Golf carts are for wussies. If you can't carry your bag 18 holes you shouldn't be playing. The exception is if you are playing at the end of the day with one of your children. Kids love to drive the cart.
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Some people don’t have a$$holes.
That would be one explanation for Trump's strange facial color and what we hear expelled from his mouth. However, my best guess is that the former is simply bad makeup and the latter the result of malignant narcissism propelled by deep rooted insecurity.
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The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you? When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?
We ignore it. You don't actually have to watch this sh*t, you know; you have a choice. Political junkies may pay attention, but most people don't. Pretty much like Canada.
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It is not the campaign mode that drains the life force out of you; it is the idiots campaigning. And their supporters.
Front page headline in the Santa Fe New Mexican yesterday:
State House candidate ‘not proud’ of past work in porn
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Golf carts are for wussies. If you can't carry your bag 18 holes you shouldn't be playing. The exception is if you are playing at the end of the day with one of your children. Kids love to drive the cart.
A little over generalizing, aren't we? My carry bag weighs about 25 pounds when loaded with clubs, balls, etc. I'm 76 years old, my golf club is at 7,500 feet above sea level, and it's in the foothills of the Rockies. Very few people carry.
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You originally receive a 1-Y from them and in my case it was followed up about three months later by a 4-F designation. I still have the cards. Don't try to play cute with this if you have no first hand knowledge.
Play cute? Cut the crap Alan. He is listed as 1-Y and unless you have better data thats where it stands. Deal with it.
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I wish both sides would remove their pork. I don't like how they all do that. Whitehouse renovations and new FBI headquarters need their own bills too.
But I still think people who need relief will get more after the election when Trump and his enablers are no longer in power.
That remains to be seen.
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A little over generalizing, aren't we? My carry bag weighs about 25 pounds when loaded with clubs, balls, etc. I'm 76 years old, my golf club is at 7,500 feet above sea level, and it's in the foothills of the Rockies. Very few people carry.
I'll make an exception for you. I used to go to Denver every year for a trade show. I had a headache the whole time I was there. Never stayed long enough to acclimate to the thin air.
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That remains to be seen.
Agreed! Not time to get complacent before we cross the line. Be sure to vote!
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Play cute? Cut the crap Alan. He is listed as 1-Y and unless you have better data thats where it stands. Deal with it.
I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience. How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then. I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games.
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I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience. How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then. I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games.
Biden was classified 1-Y in 1968. They removed the classification 1-Y in December 1971. Thereafter, you were classified 4-F. Trump was classified 4-F in 1972.
I hope that resolves this issue of national importance.
That being said, I think Biden is more likely to have had childhood asthma than Trump is to have had bone spurs in his feet, but I realize that some people believe anything and everything that Trump says, and so will have a different opinion.
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Front page headline in the Santa Fe New Mexican yesterday:
State House candidate ‘not proud’ of past work in porn
He might be future Supreme Court material. (Cheap shot.)
Wonder if he knows Stormy Daniels.
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I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience. How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then. I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games.
I'm not defending anyone. That war sucked and anyone who found a way to get out of it got lucky. I was 322 in 1971.
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Biden was classified 1-Y in 1968. They removed the classification 1-Y in December 1971. Thereafter, you were classified 4-F. Trump was classified 4-F in 1972.
I hope that resolves this issue of national importance.
That being said, I think Biden is more likely to have had childhood asthma than Trump to have had bone spurs in his feet, but I realize that some people believe anything and everything that Trump says, and so will have a different opinion.
Thanks for new information. As I told Alan I have zero problem with anyone finding a way out of going to Nam. But then again I had not yet grown up back then and I was still a liberal.
People like to make a big deal of Trrump not serving, but considering since Clinton was President, Bush the second was the only President to serve. Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.
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Thanks for new information. As I told Alan I have zero problem with anyone finding a way out of going to Nam. But then again I had not yet grown up back then and I was still a liberal.
People like to make a big deal of Trrump not serving, but considering since Clinton was President, Bush the second was the only President to serve. Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.
That's OK. If you weren't a liberal at 18, you had no heart. If you still were a liberal at 38, you'd have no brain. :)
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Given the public outcry*, Pence has agreed to have a plexiglass barrier on his side of the stage as well.
*Actually, there wasn’t really a public outcry; it was more like everyone was saying: “What an idiot.”
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Trump knows he won't get any credit for a stimulus deal, so instead of helping everyday Americans, he'll just stall. He obviously won't do anything as a lame duck. He wouldn't get anything out of it. His executive action flurry in August didn't help him because it was a nothing burger, and everyone knew it. The only thing it proved was that he could scribble his name with a sharpie. A real class act.
Didn't Trump prove that again the other day signing a blank page for his photo OP? Amazing how vain one can be.
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Didn't Trump prove that again the other day signing a blank page for his photo OP? Amazing how vain one can be.
Yeah but Obama didn't stop people from calling the ACA Obamacare and is therefore an egomaniac!
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Retired United States Air Force four-star general and former Director of the National Security Agency and former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Michael Hayden has endorsed Joe Biden. He made a video explaining his reasons.
https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/hayden-endorses-biden-says-trump-doesnt-care-about-facts (https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/status/1313653172146241538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1313653172146241538%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F519940-hayden-endorses-biden-says-trump-doesnt-care-about-facts)
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Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.
Isn’t that by far the most likely scenario?
As a Republican voter not interested in the politics of the Republican party you should support him, Biden is much closer to Republican values than Trump is.
Cheers,
Bernard
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Here's a very informative podcast interview (and transcript) from NPR's Fresh Air, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts).
The lead blurb from the podcast: "Forbes magazine investigative journalist Dan Alexander has pored over business records, mortgage documents and government reports — and even staked out some Trump properties — to assemble a detailed picture of the president's business interests. He says the president has broken a number of pledges he made about how he would conduct business while in office."
There are numerous interesting take-aways. One is that Trump actually seems to be an actual billionaire, worth between 1 and 2 billion, according to the author's research. This is less than what Trump claims, but he has run successful businesses as well as many unsuccessful business. But the idea that he simply inherited his money is not solely true, he has parlayed that inheritance into real profits. The consensus is though that he has been unquestionably unethical in his business dealings. The main thrust of the story is that he has flaunted previous conventions about separating personal business and the country's business, with the author implying that this was done to Trump's personal benefit. Several instances were given of specific actions. The descriptions of how much work is required to uncover this information is fascinating in itself.
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Here's a very informative podcast interview (and transcript) from NPR's Fresh Air, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts).
The lead blurb from the podcast: "Forbes magazine investigative journalist Dan Alexander has pored over business records, mortgage documents and government reports — and even staked out some Trump properties — to assemble a detailed picture of the president's business interests. He says the president has broken a number of pledges he made about how he would conduct business while in office."
There are numerous interesting take-aways. One is that Trump actually seems to be an actual billionaire, worth between 1 and 2 billion, according to the author's research. This is less than what Trump claims, but he has run successful businesses as well as many unsuccessful business. But the idea that he simply inherited his money is not solely true, he has parlayed that inheritance into real profits. The consensus is though that he has been unquestionably unethical in his business dealings. The main thrust of the story is that he has flaunted previous conventions about separating personal business and the country's business, with the author implying that this was done to Trump's personal benefit. Several instances were given of specific actions. The descriptions of how much work is required to uncover this information is fascinating in itself.
If Trump's been using his office to enrich himself, he's done a very poor job of it. He now worth $1.2 billion less than when he became president. It seem Biden's done better for himself now worth tens of millions, not bad for a guy who worked for the government for 45 years. The Clintons did better worth hundreds of millions, most of it earned during Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State selling influence.
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If Trump's been using his office to enrich himself, he's done a very poor job of it. He now worth $1.2 billion less than when he became president. It seem Biden's done better for himself now worth tens of millions, not bad for a guy who worked for the government for 45 years. The Clintons did better worth hundreds of millions, most of it earned during Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State selling influence.
You didn't listen to it, did you.
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You didn't listen to it, did you.
I don't have time to read another "knock" on Trump? I'm too busy here reading them. :) I think my post clarifies the situation very well. Hillary Clinton and Biden made millions from government service. Trump lost millions. That's the bottom line.
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Trump says he won't participate in next debate after commission announces it will be virtual
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/08/politics/second-presidential-debate-virtual/index.html
""I am not going to do a virtual debate," Trump said on Fox Business. "I am not going to waste my time on a virtual debate.""
Aren't all these Fox News call-ins virtual? I don't think he's flying up to New York every five minutes to do them in person. What an idiot.
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Trump claims stimulus talks are back on, two days after he shut them down
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/coronavirus-stimulus-update-trump-claims-talks-are-back-on-after-he-shut-them-down.html
"“I shut down talks two days ago because they weren’t working out. Now they are starting to work out. We’re starting to have some very productive talks,” he said during an interview on the Fox Business channel."
I am pretty sure Trump supporters will spin this as a genius strategic move on Trump's part, showing a leader who is willing to change course when facts on the ground change. What a bunch of chuckleheads. He's just can't make up his mind.
Speaking of scatterbrained, did you know that Prevagen is the brain supplement most often recommended by pharmacists. I learned that on TV.
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I haven't been on Twitter in a while but there is a new account I'm following that's pretty interesting.
It's almost like he was a fly on the wall (or head) during some interesting events.
Mike Pence's Fly (https://twitter.com/MikePenceFly___)
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I haven't been on Twitter in a while but there is a new account I'm following that's pretty interesting.
It's almost like he was a fly on the wall (or head) during some interesting events.
Mike Pence's Fly (https://twitter.com/MikePenceFly___)
It's like Devin Numbnutts' cow.
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Trump claims stimulus talks are back on, two days after he shut them down
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/coronavirus-stimulus-update-trump-claims-talks-are-back-on-after-he-shut-them-down.html
"“I shut down talks two days ago because they weren’t working out. Now they are starting to work out. We’re starting to have some very productive talks,” he said during an interview on the Fox Business channel."
I am pretty sure Trump supporters will spin this as a genius strategic move on Trump's part, showing a leader who is willing to change course when facts on the ground change. What a bunch of chuckleheads. He's just can't make up his mind.
It could be the result of taking the dexamethasone. One of its side effects is a confusion.
A wide range of psychiatric reactions including affective disorders (e.g., irritable, euphoric, depressed, labile mood, and suicidal ideation) psychotic reactions (e.g., mania, delusions, hallucinations, aggravation of schizophrenia), behavioral disturbances, irritability, anxiety, sleep disturbances and cognitive dysfunction (e.g., confusion, amnesia) have been reported.
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It could be the result of taking the dexamethasone. One of its side effects is a confusion.
So has Trump been taking it for years, or what?
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I haven't been on Twitter in a while but there is a new account I'm following that's pretty interesting.
It's almost like he was a fly on the wall (or head) during some interesting events.
Mike Pence's Fly (https://twitter.com/MikePenceFly___)
Black Flies Matter
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50437463696_23766c691e_z.jpg)
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They're calling this the "corona new wave."
Looks like Donald Trump has someone with a basic knowledge of Premiere Pro on his side. A recent video of the President has made the rounds on the internet and many editors have suggested that it contains technical cuts that make it easy to remove certain beats.
In his recent Walter Reed address while being treated for COVID-19, Trump appears to begin to hiccup, cough, or sneeze after saying the word “therapeutics” (around the 1:04 mark in the video), but some Twitter users claim it is an exit cut in the footage.
This jump cut is both startling to the eye and easy to dissect with even a basic knowledge of editing software.
What's on display in these videos seem to be morph cuts. A common challenge that comes with editing footage with a "talking head" is that the subject can stutter, cough, or make use of "umms", "uhs", or unwanted pauses. Morph cuts take them out to make the speaker look more fluid.
The morph cut smooths out jump cuts between sound bites, allowing you to edit around unwanted verbal cues, like coughing from the coronavirus. This allows you to cut the footage without having to go to B-roll.
No matter what, this raises all sorts of ethical concerns. Should the President be editing out coughing and the effects of corona while trying to tell us it's no big deal?
Adobe Premiere Morph Cut feature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqjZnbMLTc&feature=emb_logo)
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I think with Biden, they've been editing out his little naps. 😏
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I think with Biden, they've been editing out his little naps. 😏
I'm looking forward to seeing the examples you have to back this opinion up.
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Feds say they thwarted militia plot to kidnap Whitmer
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/)
https://apps.npr.org/documents/FBI Criminal Complaint-Michigan-Kidnapping-Conspiracy (https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=7223362-Michigan-Kidnapping-Conspiracy)
"The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday."
"The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday."
"The court filing also alleges the conspirators twice conducted surveillance at Whitmer's personal vacation home and discussed kidnapping her to a "secure location" in Wisconsin to stand "trial" for treason prior to the Nov. 3 election."
"Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message."
"The militia group is not identified in the court filing, but members periodically meet in remote areas of the state for firearms training and tactical drills."
"The FBI was already tracking the militia in March after a local police department learned members were trying to obtain addresses of local law-enforcement officers, the FBI agent wrote."
“At the time, the FBI interviewed a member of the militia group who was concerned about the group’s plans to target and kill police officers, and that person agreed to become a (confidential source),” the agent wrote.
"The affidavit was filed hours after a team of FBI agents raided a Hartland Township home Wednesday and comes amid an ongoing investigation into the death of a Metro Detroit man killed during a shootout with FBI agents."
"More than 12 people were arrested late Wednesday on state and federal charges."
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The plan to bribe seniors with $200 Trump debit cards to be used for filling prescriptions continues apace. Now they are supposed to go to seniors who have the optional Medicare Part D drug plan. You would think they should go to seniors not on Part D who are not currently getting a discount on their prescriptions. I think that the cards have this special feature that enters you in a lottery for a golf cart decorated with flags and Trump signs every time you use them, but I could be wrong about that.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/08/seema-verma-mark-meadows-drug-card-plan-427950
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I don't have time to read another "knock" on Trump? I'm too busy here reading them. :) I think my post clarifies the situation very well. Hillary Clinton and Biden made millions from government service. Trump lost millions. That's the bottom line.
So you don't want to inform yourself as to the possible conflicts of interest and abuses of power of an incumbent President in an election year. Why don't you want to know? I thought you were a big supporter of the rule of law.
Btw, this latest "knock" on Trump comes from a senior editor at Forbes, a bona fide actual conservative publication, as opposed to whatever Trump is.
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I lived in Michigan for 15 years and they definitely have a problem with ammosexuals. They were one of the reasons I wanted to go elsewhere when I was able to.
One thing is for sure, those people (the conspirators and their militia friends) know how to make a great statement for gun control.
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I lived in Michigan for 15 years and they definitely have a problem with ammosexuals. They were one of the reasons I wanted to go elsewhere when I was able to.
One thing is for sure, those people (the conspirators and their militia friends) know how to make a great statement for gun control.
Ammosexuals! Thank you, love it.
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Another Trump speaks, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/eric-trump-donald-trump-saved-christianity-evangelicals-b843922.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Bd9vJ1nSR2P4iD7-J_L90GLtj2pmEdxMc9V_qTzol6rFQXbyu9Fn_ggQ#Echobox=1602051440 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/eric-trump-donald-trump-saved-christianity-evangelicals-b843922.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Bd9vJ1nSR2P4iD7-J_L90GLtj2pmEdxMc9V_qTzol6rFQXbyu9Fn_ggQ#Echobox=1602051440).
Did you know that Trump literally saved Christianity? Eric says so. Apparently, liberals wanted to close all the churches. Who knew?
You have to hand it to these clowns. Just when you think you've heard the most stupid thing ever, they outdo themselves.
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Trump claims stimulus talks are back on, two days after he shut them down
"“I shut down talks two days ago because they weren’t working out. Now they are starting to work out. We’re starting to have some very productive talks,” he said during an interview on the Fox Business channel."
So the shut-down talks suddenly became productive even though they had been shut down and weren't happening?
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I'm looking forward to seeing the examples you have to back this opinion up.
I can't back it up. They've been removed. ;)
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Since Trump won't do a virtual debate on October 15, Biden will do a prime time town hall event on ABC instead. Free coverage. But it's fair since Trump did a prime time town hall on ABC in September. No one watched. It bombed. I think it was opposite America's Got Talent. The irony is killing me.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/520244-biden-to-participate-in-abc-town-hall-oct-15-in-lieu-of-trump-debate
Trump said he will do a rally. He wanted to do one yesterday. Problem was a lack of makeup.
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With a solo town hall forum, at least voters will be able to hear what Biden has to say without having some unhinged guy hopped-up on steroids talking over him constantly.
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With a solo town hall forum, at least voters will be able to hear what Biden has to say without having some unhinged guy hopped-up on steroids talking over him constantly.
I never thought Trump was strongly hinged, but I have to say that recently he's really seemed unhinged, much more than usual. Somebody must have inadvertently told him the truth about the polls. That whole Mussolini thing on the balcony? Really? Pissing on his own cabinet for not prosecuting Obama and Biden? Really? Maybe his wing nuts are beginning to realize that they're all going to lose their jobs, so they're unscrewing themselves from his hinges. Which would leave him screwed.
I'll stop now.
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I never thought Trump was strongly hinged, but I have to say that recently he's really seemed unhinged, much more than usual.
It is not just Trump who is unhinged. His supporters on Fox are becoming unhinged too. They know that if Trump doesn't win, which is looking more likely every day, they will be out of a job. Who wants to listen to a Trump supporter after Trump loses?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maria-bartiromo-erupts-when-fox-colleague-wonders-why-trumps-still-talking-about-hillarys-emails
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It is not just Trump who is unhinged. His supporters on Fox are becoming unhinged too. They know that if Trump doesn't win, which is looking more likely every day, they will be out of a job. Who wants to listen to a Trump supporter after Trump loses?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maria-bartiromo-erupts-when-fox-colleague-wonders-why-trumps-still-talking-about-hillarys-emails
I think more people will be out of jobs on CNN and MSnbc. Without Trump, we can all go out to shoot pictures. No one's going to watch sleepy Joe. Trump has made all these talking heads millions. Without him, they'll all have to get real jobs. We'll all have to go back to film vs. digital and Canon vs. Nikon arguments.
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I watched the Arizona Senate debate between Democratic candidate Mark Kelly and Republican Senator Martha McSally. When asked if she was proud of her support for Trump, she refused to answer. When pressed multiple times on the question she continued to evade talking about Trump. She is way behind in the polls and is expected to lose her appointed Senate seat to Kelly.
Video starts at first question regarding McSally Trump support. She babbles a non-answer and is pressed on the question until the reporter gives up trying to get an answer.
https://youtu.be/AZ Senate Debate - McSally asked about support for Trump (https://youtu.be/jVlNXVh5v1g?t=2264)
She did learn a page from Trump's playbook and continually referred to her opponent as Counterfeit Kelly. Kelly respectfully referred to her as Senator McSally.
For those not familiar with the candidates, Mark Kelly is a former astronaut and the husband of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords who was shot in the head in an assassination attempt in 2011. Martha McSally lost her campaign for the Senate seat of retiring Senator Jeff Flake in 2018, but was appointed to fill John McCain's Senate seat in January 2019.
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Personally, I'll be happy to have a President that isn't a needy narcissist that demands everyone pay attention to him 24/7 and who will say, do, or tweet anything to get that attention. It's exhausting.
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I think more people will be out of jobs on CNN and MSnbc. Without Trump, we can all go out to shoot pictures. No one's going to watch sleepy Joe. Trump has made all these talking heads millions. Without him, they'll all have to get real jobs. We'll all have to go back to film vs. digital and Canon vs. Nikon arguments.
Yeh...Trump's the star on the talk shows...too bad he did diddly squat to save the 210,000 ( and still counting ) citizens that gave their lives while the joker put on a show for his audience.
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I think more people will be out of jobs on CNN and MSnbc. Without Trump, we can all go out to shoot pictures. No one's going to watch sleepy Joe. Trump has made all these talking heads millions. Without him, they'll all have to get real jobs. We'll all have to go back to film vs. digital and Canon vs. Nikon arguments.
Here in Portugal, I will surely miss the daily Trump telenovela: it lasts for a few minutes on the 8 o'clock news, and it is always a good laugh.
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Bad luck!
Oh well...there's always next year.
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Bad luck!
Oh well...there's always next year.
Praise the Lord that the orange jackass didn’t win. He would have been even more insufferable, which is almost unimaginable. Of course, this doesn’t mean he won’t photoshop himself onto the award and put a copy of it on the wall next to his fake Time Man of the Year magazine covers in each of his golf course clubhouses.
I understand that he is working on a series of gilded crucifixes with himself nailed to the cross to sell to all his supporters if he loses the election. Naturally, they’ll be made in China.
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You guys are really getting obnoxious. LuLa is starting to look disgusting like social media.
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This is an interesting short 20 min podcast on the US income tax code. It uses the story about Trump's low taxes as launch point into the subject and covers a number of topics. It shows why rich people might like Trump a lot and there's a discussion of that $73 million refund tax that is unprecedented in how long it has been under deliberation, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918894535/trumps-tiny-taxes (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918894535/trumps-tiny-taxes). One especially interesting bit is how the investigative and enforcement arm of the revenue service has had its budget consistently cut over the years. Always interesting to see where the priorities are when you're draining the swamp.
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You guys are really getting obnoxious. LuLa is starting to look disgusting like social media.
I'm curious to hear your opinion of that take-down of the militia in Michigan that had apparently planned to kidnap the Governor. Since you have in the past expressed support of the 2nd amendment in part because you believe that the citizenry should be armed to protect itself from arbitrary government, I'd be curious to hear what you think of their planned action. That is, how do you arrive at the decision whether or not to support their action. When is an action a crime and when is it a legitimate action to protect freedoms? How can you tell.
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The topic has come up on these pages about citizen actions/riots and police response. There is a fascinating podcast on Radiolab (https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/no-special-duty (https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/no-special-duty)) about what in fact are the responsibilities of the police. Why do they exist and what are they for? I would have thought this would be obvious but turns out it isn't. I am not crazy about the too cute presentation style of the program but the content was a surprise, to me anyway.
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I'm curious to hear your opinion of that take-down of the militia in Michigan that had apparently planned to kidnap the Governor. Since you have in the past expressed support of the 2nd amendment in part because you believe that the citizenry should be armed to protect itself from arbitrary government, I'd be curious to hear what you think of their planned action. That is, how do you arrive at the decision whether or not to support their action. When is an action a crime and when is it a legitimate action to protect freedoms? How can you tell.
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to overthrow the government that's acting constitutionally. It's there to allow an oppressed people to overthrow a dictator. I don't think Gretchen is one.
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Do you know what is really scary? Thinking about what Trump supporters are going to latch onto when Trump loses the election and their lives no longer have any meaning.
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The second amendment doesn't give you the right to overthrow the government that's acting constitutionally. It's there to allow an oppressed people to overthrow a dictator. I don't think Gretchen is one.
Is Trump a dictator?
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Do you know what is really scary? Thinking about what Trump supporters are going to latch onto when Trump loses the election and their lives no longer have any meaning.
Well, I can always fall back on photography. :)
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Is Trump a dictator?
You ought to be careful. He may come to get your guns.
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Is Trump a dictator?
No.
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You ought to be careful. He may come to get your guns.
Don't have nor need any guns.
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No.
Strikes me that he would be if he could.
Right now, after his recent escapades, he's either completely lost the plot or wants people to think so; it would make a claim of being mentally unfit to face prosecution, far more believable.
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Is Trump a dictator?
I think he wants to be, just like his buddies. But gladly he isn't. Yet.
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Strikes me that he would be if he could.
Right now, after his recent escapades, he's either completely lost the plot or wants people to think so; it would make a claim of being mentally unfit to face prosecution, far more believable.
Yeh...better lock him up in the looney bin with the rest of his buddies. Get nurse Ratchet as his personal nurse.
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I think he wants to be, just like his buddies. But gladly he isn't. Yet.
Cheap shot. Trump never disobeyed a court order.
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Cheap shot. Trump never disobeyed a court order.
He's currently in violation of a USSC order regarding DACA. (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891563635/trump-administration-rejects-1st-time-daca-applications-violates-scotus-order)
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He's currently in violation of a USSC order regarding DACA. (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891563635/trump-administration-rejects-1st-time-daca-applications-violates-scotus-order)
DACA continues. He didn't shut it down. Subsequent to the article your posted, the government issued new rules. Since the way it runs is decided by presidential edict, (the way it was set up was through an Obama presidential order not through Congressional legislation) its rules are determined by the current administration. This is what happens when a president like Obama writes law without Congress. So the new rules will have to go before another Federal Court to determine whether its in violation of the original Supreme Court order.
If this questionable case is the only thing in four years that shows Trump's dictatorial rule, you have a weak case.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/daca/admin-memo-scales-back-daca/
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DACA continues. He didn't shut it down. Subsequent to the article your posted, the government issued new rules. Since the way it runs is decided by presidential edict, (the way it was set up was through an Obama presidential order not through Congressional legislation) its rules are determined by the current administration. This is what happens when a president like Obama writes law without Congress. So the new rules will have to go before another Federal Court to determine whether its in violation of the original Supreme Court order.
If this questionable case is the only thing in four years that shows Trump's dictatorial rule, you have a weak case.
https://www.nilc.org/issues/daca/admin-memo-scales-back-daca/
1) The "new rules (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/28/department-homeland-security-will-reject-initial-requests-daca-it-weighs-future)" merely confirm the defiance of the court order on a technicality. "OK we're not going to kill DACA - we're, uh, just not going to actually run the program."
2) It's not questionable
3) You made flat wrong statement and I corrected you. (Is there a further rules clarification that I missed? Are they now processing DACA applications again? If so, I'm in error and I apologize, but as of August 24, the status is that they are not. (https://www.nolo.com/legal-updates/trump-administration-announces-new-rollback-of-daca-program.html))
Sidenote - "Unelected Federal bureaucrat" (you love to use that term to indicate a federal official who is abusing his/her authority, and it's perfect here - thanks) and noted little tin soldier and pompous ass Chad Wolf, currently illegally installed (https://www.lawfareblog.com/senate-should-ask-chad-wolf-about-his-illegal-appointment) to head DHS, stated that, "If I ultimately determine to maintain the policy, there is nothing in [it] that would preclude aliens from making an initial request for DACA ... at that time." (What an asshole.)
4) I specifically answered "no" when someone asked if Trump was a dictator. You're the one that attempted to answer that question with a qualification that is easily proven wrong. There are other examples of lower court decisions being disregarded while Trump cries until he finds a judge (often that he appointed) that will rubber-stamp his idiocy. I simply chose the USSC example because there's no higher authority he can whine to. If "Trump doesn't disobey court orders" is the best YOU can do to illustrate that he's not a dictator, you're the one with a case in bad shape.
(The folks above who've answered, "no, but he sure wishes he was" are about as close to correct as we're going get.)
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Are Americans suckers for grifters? Here's a combination movie review and social analysis from The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/jake-tapper-elia-kazan-trump/616471/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/jake-tapper-elia-kazan-trump/616471/). I've never seen that movie, now I want to.
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The subject of this talk/podcast is about the US's military spending, but the interviewee spends a lot of time speaking about the US electoral process so I include it in this thread. He makes some provocative points and his background is not the ivory tower but the US military itself.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/massive-military-spending-is-turning-america-into-a-warfare-state-warns-ex-u-s-army-colonel-1.5738677 (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/massive-military-spending-is-turning-america-into-a-warfare-state-warns-ex-u-s-army-colonel-1.5738677)
Here are the first 3 short paragraphs from the blurb,
"In his 1961 farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower cautioned the United States against "unwarranted influence" — what he saw as an alarming alignment of corporate interests with military operations, a relationship he famously called: "the military-industrial complex."
Since then, the term has largely been taken up by the political left in its critique of America's militarism, and how vast military expenditures end up creating conflicts they're supposed to resolve.
But Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is firmly on the political right. He spent over 30 years in the U.S. Army, was chief of staff for former Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, and is a lifelong Republican. "
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The second amendment doesn't give you the right to overthrow the government that's acting constitutionally. It's there to allow an oppressed people to overthrow a dictator. I don't think Gretchen is one.
The British Crown was acting legally within its mandate in 1776, but presumably you're in favour of the revolution against it.
The original question remains. Who decides when a government is not legitimate and how do they decide that?
But it's a rhetorical question, no need to try to answer.
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He's currently in violation of a USSC order regarding DACA. (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891563635/trump-administration-rejects-1st-time-daca-applications-violates-scotus-order)
It appears to me that program was not legal at its inception.
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The British Crown was acting legally within its mandate in 1776, but presumably you're in favour of the revolution against it.
The original question remains. Who decides when a government is not legitimate and how do they decide that?
But it's a rhetorical question, no need to try to answer.
I’ll answer. The people.
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It appears to me that program was not legal at its inception.
It’s not really within the purview of the Executive branch to make that decision, and it’s certainly not within the scope of the Executive to overrule the court on that. That argument notwithstanding, Alan made a silly point that was easily dismissed.
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It’s not really within the purview of the Executive branch to make that decision, and it’s certainly not within the scope of the Executive to overrule the court on that. That argument notwithstanding, Alan made a silly point that was easily dismissed.
The Executive branch made the original decision. The Executive branch has often decided not to obey law or at least not to enforce it. All of which sucks.
Laws should not come from the Executive or the Judicial. That is the task given to Congress and that should be the case no matter which party holds power.
Silly me.
I’ll let you play with Alan, if you don’t mind.
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The subject of this talk/podcast is about the US's military spending, but the interviewee spends a lot of time speaking about the US electoral process so I include it in this thread. He makes some provocative points and his background is not the ivory tower but the US military itself.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/massive-military-spending-is-turning-america-into-a-warfare-state-warns-ex-u-s-army-colonel-1.5738677 (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/massive-military-spending-is-turning-america-into-a-warfare-state-warns-ex-u-s-army-colonel-1.5738677)
Here are the first 3 short paragraphs from the blurb,
"In his 1961 farewell address, President Dwight Eisenhower cautioned the United States against "unwarranted influence" — what he saw as an alarming alignment of corporate interests with military operations, a relationship he famously called: "the military-industrial complex."
Since then, the term has largely been taken up by the political left in its critique of America's militarism, and how vast military expenditures end up creating conflicts they're supposed to resolve.
But Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is firmly on the political right. He spent over 30 years in the U.S. Army, was chief of staff for former Secretary of State, General Colin Powell, and is a lifelong Republican. "
it was in the forum- (maybe a post from you? ) that this article was brought under attention
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206
a quote: 'In 1940, with Europe already ablaze, the United States had a smaller army than either Portugal or Bulgaria."
Then it started to ramp up the military industry and it never came back to normal again.
What can you do when you produce so many weapons that have no direct purpose in times of piece?
Sell them to anybody and any nation that needs arms...too protect the interests of the US. Sell them even to the police and US-citizen. Start a war - that you win for sure...
It was Jules Verne that already spotted the problem in his voyage to the moon. He used a redundant super heavy artillery gun from the US civil war to make the trip possible.
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The Executive branch made the original decision. The Executive branch has often decided not to obey rather law or at least not to enforce it. All of which sucks.
Yes, though not generally once the Court's final word is the they are acting illegally.
Laws should not come from the Executive or the Judicial. That is the task given to Congress and that should be the case no matter which party holds power.
Again, yes, though with deliberate obstruction it becomes impossible to govern effectively, but that's another (probably more interesting) discussion.
Silly me.
Not at all. Just not really germane to the question of whether or not Trump had ever disobeyed a court directive.
I’ll let you play with Alan, if you don’t mind.
Not at all :)
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Here's an alternate view of the violence in Portland. A reporter manages to get hold of leaked messages from far-right groups, https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/09/23/patriot-coalition-far-right-chat-logs-violence/ (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/09/23/patriot-coalition-far-right-chat-logs-violence/).
I hope the US can find its way back from this unnecessary brinksmanship.
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1) The "new rules (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/28/department-homeland-security-will-reject-initial-requests-daca-it-weighs-future)" merely confirm the defiance of the court order on a technicality. "OK we're not going to kill DACA - we're, uh, just not going to actually run the program."
2) It's not questionable
3) You made flat wrong statement and I corrected you. (Is there a further rules clarification that I missed? Are they now processing DACA applications again? If so, I'm in error and I apologize, but as of August 24, the status is that they are not. (https://www.nolo.com/legal-updates/trump-administration-announces-new-rollback-of-daca-program.html))
Sidenote - "Unelected Federal bureaucrat" (you love to use that term to indicate a federal official who is abusing his/her authority, and it's perfect here - thanks) and noted little tin soldier and pompous ass Chad Wolf, currently illegally installed (https://www.lawfareblog.com/senate-should-ask-chad-wolf-about-his-illegal-appointment) to head DHS, stated that, "If I ultimately determine to maintain the policy, there is nothing in [it] that would preclude aliens from making an initial request for DACA ... at that time." (What an asshole.)
4) I specifically answered "no" when someone asked if Trump was a dictator. You're the one that attempted to answer that question with a qualification that is easily proven wrong. There are other examples of lower court decisions being disregarded while Trump cries until he finds a judge (often that he appointed) that will rubber-stamp his idiocy. I simply chose the USSC example because there's no higher authority he can whine to. If "Trump doesn't disobey court orders" is the best YOU can do to illustrate that he's not a dictator, you're the one with a case in bad shape.
(The folks above who've answered, "no, but he sure wishes he was" are about as close to correct as we're going get.)
Trump is just following what he did to make his Muslim ban successful. Then to the courts said his action was unconstitutional because it was too broad. So Trump re-issued the ban in a more selective way, and it was subsequently approved by the courts.
This time, the courts didn't say his attempt to change DACA was unconstitutional or too broad. It said that he violated some administrative procedure he didn't follow and for that reason they held up his cancellation of DACA. So now he's changed his directive. New procedures will be followed. It will go back to the courts for a ruling and he will then make sure the administrative procedure is followed to a tee.
But my main point is that this little bit of petty larceny does not make him a bank robber. Nor a dictator. Just like Obama and all other presidents, they use presidential directives willy nilly which creates all sorts of legal issues because Congress didn't legislate it. Legislation prevents any president from messing with it. So Obama makes the Iran deal without the Senate approval as required for lasting effect, and Trump reverses it. DACA is just another similar case.
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It’s not really within the purview of the Executive branch to make that decision, and it’s certainly not within the scope of the Executive to overrule the court on that. That argument notwithstanding, Alan made a silly point that was easily dismissed.
Actually, a more important issue is being raised; one of packing the court if Biden wins. While presidents have played at the margins of Supreme Court decisions, and others have as well, for the most part, Americans have respected its decisions. After all, it has no power to enforce their rulings. That's the Executive's authority. So I see packing the court as a major step in delegitimizing the Supreme Court.
I realize that politicization from both sides has become especially prevalent since Bork. But we still follow its decisions. Roberts is bending over backwards to try to maintain it's legitimacy even to the point of making decisions that I believe are contrary to how he would have voted if not for trying to keep that legitimacy. It may be a back-assed way of doing that.
In any case, if the Democrat pack the court should Biden win, that might be the final straw where people will just disregard their rulings arguing that the court is legislating from the bench, a charge that will have a lot of weight if the packing occurs. America will be in a dangerous place if the court's decisions aren't respected. HAve you given this any thought? Curious how you feel about it?
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I’ll answer. The people.
Thanks for the simple but correct answer. I was actually having trouble with that.
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Trump is just following what he did to make his Muslim ban successful...
Aah a Muslim ban! so it was indeed to keep all muslims out of the US...
Then we have a China virus....
and the extreme left socialist Biden...
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Cheap shot. Trump never disobeyed a court order.
This is false. Trump's immigration officials have defied multiple court orders related to Trump's travel ban.
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This is false. Trump's immigration officials have defied multiple court orders related to Trump's travel ban.
I'll take your word for it. But if I looked, I think I'll find the same for all presidents. Many of these are administrative but not substantive. Or the rulings aren't clear as to the breadth of the decision so they're tested again with different facts, just like Roe vs Wade gets tested all the time while the basic ruling stays intact. It doesn't mean they're dictators or somehow American law is breaking down.
Here's an interesting article about the win rate in the Supreme Court for various administrations, It seems Obama did the worse for modern presidents, a record of 79–96, a win rate of just above 45 percent. The whole DACA issue was caused because he made a presidential edict, like Caesar, not using congressional approval. That leaves the whole issue open for another president to modify it or get rid of it entirely by a Caesar like edict as well. Of course the Supremes feel he has to follow some arbitrary administrative process. But so be it.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/obama-has-lost-supreme-court-more-any-modern-president
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This is false. Trump's immigration officials have defied multiple court orders related to Trump's travel ban.
What's all this about disobeying court orders? What about regular laws, rules, and regulations? Why draw the misconduct so narrowly? It's like saying he has never robbed a house on the weekend. Well, at least everyone is calling it a Muslim ban now. Trumpers were in denial about that for a couple of years. It really wasn't so much about denial. It was more like they were just lying about it. What a bunch of three year olds. Did you put the cat in the microwave? Who me?
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/09/us/donald-trump-taxes-las-vegas.html?searchResultPosition=1
Fascinating NYT story of Trump, campaign contributions, mysterious payments, high speed rail and Las Vegas hoteliers.
(paywall)
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North Korea has a brand new ICBM that can handle MIRV nuclear warheads. So much winning.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/10/asia/north-korea-military-parade-new-missiles-intl-hnk/index.html
And from looking at the photo, it seems they have cornered the market for red hats. Trump's panicked.
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What's all this about disobeying court orders? What about regular laws, rules, and regulations? Why draw the misconduct so narrowly? It's like saying he never robs houses on the weekends. Well, at least everyone is calling it a Muslim ban now. Trumpers were in denial about that for a couple of years. It really wasn't so much about denial. It was more like they were just lying about it. A bunch of three year olds. Did you put the cat in the microwave? Who me?
Did you read my last post. Obama lost 55% of his cases in court - 96 loses, things the government he was running should not have done. Should we have locked him up? :)
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Did you read my last post. Obama lost 55% of his cases in court - 96 loses, things the government he was running should not have done. Should we have locked him up? :)
I'm confused. I thought it was Hilary they wanted to lock up, not Obama. :)
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You're not confused. But you are starting to fall behind a little.
Now Trump wants to lock up a long list of Democrats and national security officials and ballots that aren't going in his favor. You know, democracy Putin style. Cue the militias.
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Of course the Supremes feel he has to follow some arbitrary administrative process.
Nothing arbitrary about it. It's a law. The Administrative Procedure Act (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-I/chapter-5) establishes procedural requirements for the promulgation of regulations by the executive branch of the federal government (i.e., the agencies reporting to the president) pursuant to authorities granted to them by substantive laws enacted by Congress. The requirements of this law exist to deter executive actions that are arbitrary or capricious. The Trump Administration has repeatedly had executive actions overturned by the federal courts because they were issued without providing a credible rationale or affording the public sufficient opportunity to consider and comment on them, as required by the APA.
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You're not confused. But you are starting to fall behind a little.
Now Trump wants to lock up a long list of Democrats and national security officials and ballots that aren't going in his favor. You know, democracy Putin style. Cue the militias.
AG Bill "Beer Belly" Barr said yesterday that John Dunham, the special prosecutor investigating the Russia investigation investigators, will not have his damaging report ready by the election, so there goes the "October surprise" Trump was counting on. Gotta find something else quick. Trump is really flailing around. Pompeo has announced he is going to release some more of Hillary's e-mails. Not sure that will do it. There are only about three people left who are still interested in Hillary's emails, and they are just hoping to get her chocolate cake recipe.
Maybe Barr will serve Biden with a subpoena at the debate on October 22nd. It was all lined up for October 15th, but the commission changed the debate to virtual, which pretty much blew that idea, so Trump bailed. He is either going to do some oxygen therapy or a rally instead. Don't forget to watch Mussolini Trump address his militias from the balcony of the White House tonight. They have been standing by for over a week and their feet are starting to hurt. Word is he will announce his new plan for seniors. Everyone on Medicare will receive a 10% discount coupon to use at the Trump Tower gift shop. Seniors at The Villages in Florida are already finalizing plans for a golf cart motorcade up to the Big Apple. No one has seen anything like it before.
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AG Bill "Beer Belly" Barr said yesterday that John Dunham, the special prosecutor investigating the Russia investigation investigators, will not have his damaging report ready by Seniors at The Villages in Florida are already finalizing plans for a golf cart motorcade to the Big Apple. No one has seen anything like it before.
Seniors are lining up for the helicopter trip to hospital that Trump promised them. They'll be swapping stories at the bridge club for weeks.
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Seniors are lining up for the helicopter trip to hospital that Trump promised them. They'll be swapping stories at the bridge club for weeks.
When I was young, my uncle, who lived in NYC and worked in shipping, arranged with the Port Authority for me to take a helicopter tour of NYC. It was just me and the pilot in one of those two seater jobs with the bubble windshield. We flew around the Empire State Building, then out and around The Statue of Liberty, and all around. I was never so scared in my life. If I catch COVID, I am just going to have my wife drive me to the hospital and dump me at the entrance to the ER. There is no way I am going to get in a helicopter again. I have plenty of other stories for bridge night, some of them true.
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That was probably a Bell G-47 - like the ones on "MASH".
One of those provided my very first helicopter ride back in the 60s, one that thrilled me to my core. Since then, I've accumulated several hundred hours riding (mostly inside) helicopters of various types. I choose to describe them as a "magic carpet" and "the ultimate hot rod".
Sorry your ride was so discomforting. I understand, though. The G47 provides little emotional support. There's nothing there that doesn't absolutely have to be there.
Anyway, back to topic.
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Sorry your ride was so discomforting. I understand, though. The G47 provides little emotional support. There's nothing there that doesn't absolutely have to be there.
Emotional support? I wanted physical support. You looked down at your feet and there was nothing there. Can you spell acrophobia? I get pretty edgy in a balcony.
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Speaking of feeling uncomfortable, I wonder how uncomfortable Michigan legislators felt having to debate the extension of Covid restrictions while armed protestors stood in the gallery above carrying assault rifles, while others roamed the halls armed, and more stood out on the steps. Among them were two of the men arrested in the Michigan Governor kidnapping plot.
The man on the left side and third from the left in the photo linked below, from a State Senator, were arrested in the plot. "Directly above me, men with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues who own bullet proof vests are wearing them. I have never appreciated our Sergeants-at-Arms more than today."
https://twitter.com/SenPolehanki/Photo Armed Men in Senate Gallery (https://twitter.com/SenPolehanki/status/1255899318210314241)
Heavily Armed Protesters Gather Again At Michigan Capitol To Decry Stay-At-Home Order
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order (https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order)
Ahead of Thursday's protest, comments were made in private Facebook groups threatening Whitmer and lawmakers with violence, according to reporting by the Detroit Metro Times.
Concern about Thursday's gathering was higher than previous protests. But rain and an interruption in planning — Facebook reportedly removed the organizers' private group from their platform for inciting violence — may have curbed the crowd, which seemed substantially smaller than two weeks ago. That was when armed protesters brought signs that compared Whitmer to Adolf Hitler, showed nooses and Confederate flags. Some signs read, "Tyrants Get The Rope."
During that gathering, demonstrators entered the Capitol and chanted: "Our House" and "Let Us In" outside of the House chamber against a line of Michigan State Police. Many protesters didn't wear masks or follow social distancing. Some armed demonstrators entered the Senate gallery and stood above lawmakers. At least one lawmaker donned a bulletproof vest.
After the second protest, state Democratic lawmakers requested that the Michigan State Capitol Commission ban guns on the premises. On Monday, the Democratic attorney general issued an opinion saying the appointed body had the authority to do so and warned against a "powder keg dynamic" created by heavily armed protesters.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey later called the notion of a gun ban "cowardly" in a floor speech
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I also wonder if those that believe the NRA promoted myth that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is for people to have the means to take up arms against the government believe this is what the framers had in mind. Walking thru the halls of government armed and standing over elected officials with rifles, really?
The 2nd amendment says... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Some read it thru thick ideological goggles and they see... "Unregulated weapons, being necessary for people to overthrow the government, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
They also are blind to the parts of the Constitution [Article I - Section 8] that state: The Congress shall have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions. The Congress shall have power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
How you divine from the Constitution and 2nd amendment an expressed intent of providing people with arms as a built-in self-destruct button for the overthrow of the government requires some creative reading skills.
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Speaking of guns, did you know there was a Facebook group for “Pointing Loaded Guns at Penises”? One guy accidentally shot himself in the penis and scrotum and became a hero. This is the level of intelligence of the guys in camouflage waiving their guns around at protests. At this point I'm wondering if Proud Boys refers to the militia members or their testicles. I’m guessing this is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment. Where is Anton Scalia when you need him?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-california-man-shoots-self-in-dick-20200814-gze4sto2srbw7lfvzi2pjjxba4-story.html
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If this is what the land of the free is all about...you can have it. I will continue living in the 20th century.
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I also wonder if those that believe the NRA promoted myth that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is for people to have the means to take up arms against the government believe this is what the framers had in mind. Walking thru the halls of government armed and standing over elected officials with rifles, really?
The 2nd amendment says... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Some read it thru thick ideological goggles and they see... "Unregulated weapons, being necessary for people to overthrow the government, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
They also are blind to the parts of the Constitution [Article I - Section 8] that state: The Congress shall have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions. The Congress shall have power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
How you divine from the Constitution and 2nd amendment an expressed intent of providing people with arms as a built-in self-destruct button for the overthrow of the government requires some creative reading skills.
The Supreme Court heard those arguments and disagreed with them.
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What arguments? What did they disagree with? What are you talking about? What decision are you referring to?
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What arguments? What did they disagree with? What are you talking about? What decision are you referring to?
The 2nd amendment confers the right to personally bear arms. They aren't for hunting.
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And that relates in any way whatever to what I wrote how exactly?
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And that relates in any way whatever to what I wrote how exactly?
If states want to take up arms against a dictatorial federal government, as in 1861, they'll have a militia ready to go. If you read federalist papers you'll see that an armed citizenry is the last resort to an oppressive regime. Can you imagine living in Venezuela and only the government has the guns? Obviously, the founder knew the importance of personal arms as they took up arms against King George III. Why would they take away that right from themselves in a new government when there main concern was government having too much power? They understood what the last resort meant. When every other means of redress fails, a free people can turn to arms to defend and re-secure their liberties through the barrel of a gun.
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Or they can shoot themselves in the penis. It's pretty much one or the other. I think I'll draft an amendment to the Second Amendment to guarantee the right to keep and bear band-aids. Seems like the well regulated militias are going to need them. You really can't overthrow a tyrant if half of your troops are out with penis injuries. Of course, they will only need small band-aids. If they needed big band-aids, they wouldn't have needed the guns in the first place.
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The Constitution lays out the purpose of the militia clearly... "to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions." When it was needed to suppress insurrection during the Civil War, the Constitution functioned as intended, State Militias were called forth under the direction of the United States government and the insurrection was put down. The militia protected the security of the United States government as intended.
But that's just a distraction from the questions that I asked in regard to your vague ("The Supreme Court heard those arguments and disagreed with them.") in reply to what I had posted.
What arguments? What did they disagree with? What are you talking about? What decision are you referring to? How does it relate to what I wrote?
All you have done is to write a vague response and then distract from the questions trying to make some sense out of your reply. What does anything that you wrote have to do with a Supreme Court decision rejecting "those arguments" whatever that was you meant.
What arguments? What did they disagree with? What are you talking about? What decision are you referring to? How does it relate to what I wrote?
You routinely go off on these digressions as if we are supposed to be able to follow whatever thoughts are rattling around in your mind. Please try to stay on a topic and be focused with a reply that isn't so vague as to be meaningful only to yourself and generally followed by some diversion or distraction when asked for some clarity.
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What arguments? What did they disagree with? What are you talking about? What decision are you referring to? How does it relate to what I wrote?
[...sound of guy rummaging through a closet looking for that stack of NRA brochures he knows he has somewhere...]
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[...sound of guy rummaging through the closet looking for that stack of NRA brochures...]
This might save you from anymore searching in the closet. You've reminded me how much decluttering my closets need!
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment)
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re-secure their liberties through the barrel of a gun.
Are you sure you're not channeling Chairman Mao?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_gun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_grows_out_of_the_barrel_of_a_gun)
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The Supreme Court heard those arguments and disagreed with them.
Notwithstanding all the posts subsequent to this one of yours, what you write makes it sound like the Supreme Court can't change its mind. Isn't that what some are trying to do right now with Roe vs Wade?
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So now, Trump has to pay and bus-in a couple of hundred ‘supporters’ to listen to his televised speech from the WH balcony yesterday. Pathetic.
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From The Times, today.
Boris Johnson has been warned that Trump is on course for a landslide defeat with his Democratic opponents set to land a historic “triple whammy” by seizing control of the presidency, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
Private polling and computer models shown to No 10 last month put Biden’s chances of victory at more than 70%. The challenger has since opened up a double-digit lead and one predictive model based on polling this weekend gave him an 85% chance of winning, with the chances of a landslide better than one in three.
Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, recently visited America and met Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, and other congressional figures. He also talked to Chris Coons, described as “the Biden whisperer” in the Senate, as well as Richard Neal, a congressman seen as a power broker on Capitol Hill.
Karen Pierce, the British ambassador in Washington, is wooing Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, Biden’s foreign policy advisers, who are tipped to be secretary of state and national security adviser. Biden’s aides have resisted contacts with foreign diplomats after controversy about Trump team contacts with Russia before the last election.
Democrats also regard Trump as appalling and disgusting and there will be a penalty for people who sucked up to Trump. Angela Merkel didn’t. Macron did and then got tough. The Democrats don’t much like Brexit.”
British diplomats in America have sent telegrams predicting that Biden will probably prioritise a trans-Pacific trade deal, or even a deal with the EU, over a bilateral deal with Britain.
But many of Johnson’s most senior aides believe comparisons between Trump and Johnson damage Johnson. Dominic Cummings has told ministers to publicly keep their distance from the Trump administration.
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The poll linked to in the first post of this thread now showing Biden at his highest rating (since July 18th) with 350 EC votes v Trump’s 188 and the popular vote at 54% v 46%.
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The poll linked to in the first post of this thread now showing Biden at his highest rating (since July 18th) with 350 EC votes v Trump’s 188 and the popular vote at 54% v 46%.
You have to be careful with those polls. They don’t count Trump’s stealth voters. Those are the people who vote for Trump but are so ashamed of themselves for doing so that they lie to the pollsters. Granted, it is tough to admit, even to yourself, that you are a member of a cult, and that you got suckered into buying a red hat.
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So now, Trump has to pay and bus-in a couple of hundred ‘supporters’ to listen to his televised speech from the WH balcony yesterday. Pathetic.
It was so small, it didn't rise to the level of a crowd. I wonder where Trump found this odd group of Blacks and Latinos? They all looked so young. And what was up with the light blue shirts? Very unTrumpesque. Are we sure that they were at the right place? Maybe they all work at his golf club in Virginia, and he threatened to fire them if they didn't show up. So they figured they better go, and went ahead and got on the bus. Reports are they were offered peanuts or pretzels to snack on on the way up. None of them had ever been on a plane, so they didn't really understand what a special treat that was. Their job was to mill around the South Lawn for a couple of hours looking interested. They did a credible job on the milling around part, but they could use more training on looking interested. It also looked like Trump cheaped out on the signs. He knows as well as any politician that your supporters have to have signs to wave around or they get bored, so he definitely came up short there. I don't know if his speech was carried on any channel other than Fox. The batteries in my TV remote died on me so I couldn't change channels to find out. To be honest, I couldn't take it anymore and scavenged some batteries out of my smoke detector, but by then the show was over. I don't think I'm giving away any secrets when I say that he didn't pick up many votes. With three weeks to go, he is going to really have to get out there and rev up his base. He is going to Florida for three days of rallys. He's going to visit a bunch of old folks homes and really push the theme of not being afraid of the virus. Sounds like a plan.
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We all know--or should know--that Biden has been endorsed bylarge numbers of retired military, national security personnel, GOP operatives, and GOP politicians, but don't think that Trump is without his own endorsements. For example, the Taiiban.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
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We all know--or should know--that Biden has been endorsed bylarge numbers of retired military, national security personnel, GOP operatives, and GOP politicians, but don't think that Trump is without his own endorsements. For example, the Taiiban.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Peter,
Biden wants to pull out troops as well. Both candidates have the same policy. You'd think that CBS would mention Biden's position in the article. But of course the fake news press's job is only to smear Trump.
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2020/07/15/us-set-to-pull-out-of-afghanistan-regardless-of-the-election-result.html
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The above is fake news. Biden has made it quite clear that he would retain a small footprint of troops in Afghanistan to monitor and respond to any re-emergence of ISIS or Al-Qaeda in that country. All one needs to do to confirm this is to actually bother to watch the interview with Biden to which the fake news commentary from The Week in India linked above refers.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden talks Afghanistan, future of troop presence overseas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FS6LetvXfQ)
Or, there is the more recent Sept. 11, 2020 article from Axios below.
https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-911-legacy (https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-911-legacy-d870799f-5969-4307-8bb4-872f3d7bef80.html)
"Biden made news on Thursday when he told Stars and Stripes that he supports a sustained U.S. military footprint of up to 1,500-2,000 on the ground — primarily for special operations against ISIS and other terror threats — in the war that began after the 9/11 terrorist attacks 19 years ago.
"These forever wars have to end ... but here's the problem, we still have to worry about terrorism," Biden said."
"Biden's insistence on a counter-ISIS force puts him to the right of President Trump's rhetoric — though the maximum levels Biden is talking about are lower than what the winner in November can expect to inherit — but the Democratic nominee's stance also could give some assurances to centrist voters from both parties."
Trump, on the other hand, has announced that he intends to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan by the end of the year which prompted support for his re-election from the Taliban.
Military Times / Associated Press - Oct. 8, 2020
https://www.militarytimes.com/2020/10/08/taliban-cheer-trump-tweet-promising-early-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/10/08/taliban-cheer-trump-tweet-promising-early-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/)
"Military officials blindsided by Trump announcement of early US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan"
"The U.S. military was blindsided Thursday by President Donald Trump’s assertion that all U.S. troops will be out of Afghanistan by the end of the year, with U.S. officials saying they are not aware of such a plan and have gotten no actual order to accelerate the more gradual pullout they’ve been executing."Trump’s comments, laid out in a confusing progression of comments and a tweet, alarmed Pentagon and State officials who fear that putting a definitive date on troop withdrawal could undercut negotiations to finalize a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government. They also fear a hasty withdrawal could force the U.S. to leave behind sensitive military equipment. And they continue to stress that the Taliban has still not met requirements to reduce violence against the Afghans, a key element of the U.S. withdrawal plan."
"The Taliban welcomed Trump’s announcements, which started with a tweet Wednesday saying “we should have the small remaining number of our BRAVE Men and Women serving in Afghanistan home by Christmas.” He reinforced early withdrawal plans Thursday morning, in a Fox Business Channel interview that understated the number of troops currently in Afghanistan."
Their policy positions are not the same. Please stop spreading fake news.
* And if you're unable to recognize real news and professional journalists and have to go to India to find fake news commentary in order to create a false narrative, you might want to consider slowing down to check your sources before blurting things out online or anywhere else.
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I thought I would share with you that some dickhead Trump supporter defaced all the Biden lawn signs in the neighborhood last night using black spray paint. Now everyone is going to have to make another $35 contribution to the Biden campaign to get a replacement sign. The irony. Meanwhile, Trump is going through all the sofas in the White House looking for change, as his campaign is now sputtering along on fumes. My sources tell me he has been reduced to taking the plane without the gold toilet. He has already hocked Melania's mink.
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Some pretty damning descriptions of the amateur incompetence in the White House, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/11/amateur-hour-trump-white-house-428533 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/11/amateur-hour-trump-white-house-428533)https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/11/amateur-hour-trump-white-house-428533.
Shouldn't a successful billionaire manage a business better than this?
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The above is fake news. Biden has made it quite clear that he would retain a small footprint of troops in Afghanistan to monitor and respond to any re-emergence of ISIS or Al-Qaeda in that country. All one needs to do to confirm this is to actually bother to watch the interview with Biden to which the fake news commentary from The Week in India linked above refers.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden talks Afghanistan, future of troop presence overseas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FS6LetvXfQ)
Or, there is the more recent Sept. 11, 2020 article from Axios below.
https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-911-legacy (https://www.axios.com/biden-trump-911-legacy-d870799f-5969-4307-8bb4-872f3d7bef80.html)
"Biden made news on Thursday when he told Stars and Stripes that he supports a sustained U.S. military footprint of up to 1,500-2,000 on the ground — primarily for special operations against ISIS and other terror threats — in the war that began after the 9/11 terrorist attacks 19 years ago.
"These forever wars have to end ... but here's the problem, we still have to worry about terrorism," Biden said."
"Biden's insistence on a counter-ISIS force puts him to the right of President Trump's rhetoric — though the maximum levels Biden is talking about are lower than what the winner in November can expect to inherit — but the Democratic nominee's stance also could give some assurances to centrist voters from both parties."
Trump on the other hand has announced that he intends to withdraw all US forces from Afghanistan which prompted support for his re-election from the Taliban.
Military Times / Associated Press - Oct. 8, 2020
https://www.militarytimes.com/2020/10/08/taliban-cheer-trump-tweet-promising-early-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/10/08/taliban-cheer-trump-tweet-promising-early-us-troop-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/)
"Military officials blindsided by Trump announcement of early US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan"
"The U.S. military was blindsided Thursday by President Donald Trump’s assertion that all U.S. troops will be out of Afghanistan by the end of the year, with U.S. officials saying they are not aware of such a plan and have gotten no actual order to accelerate the more gradual pullout they’ve been executing."Trump’s comments, laid out in a confusing progression of comments and a tweet, alarmed Pentagon and State officials who fear that putting a definitive date on troop withdrawal could undercut negotiations to finalize a peace deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government. They also fear a hasty withdrawal could force the U.S. to leave behind sensitive military equipment. And they continue to stress that the Taliban has still not met requirements to reduce violence against the Afghans, a key element of the U.S. withdrawal plan."
"The Taliban welcomed Trump’s announcements, which started with a tweet Wednesday saying “we should have the small remaining number of our BRAVE Men and Women serving in Afghanistan home by Christmas.” He reinforced early withdrawal plans Thursday morning, in a Fox Business Channel interview that understated the number of troops currently in Afghanistan."
Their policy positions are not the same. Please stop spreading fake news.
* And if you're unable to recognize real news and professional journalists and have to go to India to find fake news commentary in order to create a false narrative, you might want to consider slowing down to check your sources before blurting things out online or anywhere else.
Biden's position before was the same as Trump's. Read my article. So now he's modified it just in time for the election as he has with every other position he's taken in life. Who's spreading false news? You or me, or are both of us telling different things because Biden can't make up his mind until he checks which way the wind is blowing? Regardless, as I said, CBS never mentioned Biden's position one way or the other. They just smeared Trump.
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What change in Biden's position? You happily roll along making things up as you feel the need.
The CBS News interview with Biden was from February. He reiterated the same position last month.
I read your fake news article that you linked. Who's spreading fake news? You are.
The CBS news story was on Trump's impulsive policy tweet. The story wasn't about Biden. There's no reason to mention Biden's consistent policy position of maintaining a small special forces presence to monitor and respond to any renewed security threats in a story about recent Trump changes in position.
You seem unable to tell fact from fiction from a smear.
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What change in Biden's position? You happily roll along making things up as you feel the need.
The CBS News interview with Biden was from February. He reiterated the same position last month.
I read your fake news article that you linked. Who's spreading fake news? You are.
The CBS news story was on Trump's impulsive policy tweet. The story wasn't about Biden. There's no reason to mention Biden's consistent policy position of maintaining a small special forces presence to monitor and respond to any renewed security threats in a story about recent Trump changes in position.
You seem unable to tell fact from fiction from a smear.
There you go again spreading fake news. Here's from the JUly 15, 2020 article I posted:
"If there is one thing Democrat candidate Joe Biden and President Donald Trump do agree on, it is the pull out of troops from Afghanistan. In an interview, Biden made it clear: America bears “zero responsibility’’ if the Taliban come back to power.
“Zero responsibility. The responsibility I have is to protect America’s national interest and not put our women and men in harm's way… that’s what I’d do as president,’’ Biden said in an interview to CBS when asked whether America bore responsibility if the Taliban came back to power.
His comments make it clear that Afghanistan policy will not change if there was a new president in the White House come November. “I hope this is a wake-up call to any Afghan leaders slow-rolling the #AfghanPeaceProcess in the hopes that the US might change direction and aim to stay in Afghanistan (if) Joe Biden wins in November,’’ tweeted Laurel Miller, Director of Asia Programme at the Crisis Group...."
"...Biden’s views on Afghanistan are not new. In 2010, Biden had lost his temper with Richard Holbrooke, the then special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, when the latter raised the point of making the rights of Afghan women a priority. Biden “erupted’’ Holbrooke, with the exchange recorded in the book Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century. "I am not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women’s rights, it just won’t work, that’s not what they’re there for,’’ he is quoted as saying. Biden wanted to get out of Afghanistan..."
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So Trump has been negotiating a withdrawal with the Taliban which is the same policy Biden agrees with and supported, even telling the Taliban don't expect anything different from him. Yet fake news CBS tries to smear Trump never mentioning Biden's position one way or the other. That's the point. Nothing about Biden's position. Nada.
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For crying out loud man! Watch the freaking interview with Biden that your fake news article references!
I handed it to you already on a silver platter, but here it is again. If you can spare 4-minutes of your time to bother to check the reliability of the fake news you keep linking to or simply make up on your own, you may actually be enlightened.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden talks Afghanistan, future of troop presence overseas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FS6LetvXfQ)
If you bother to watch the interview and then are unable or unwilling to see that their policies on troop withdrawals are not the same, as you and your quoted fake news commentary claim, I can't be bothered with your nonsense.
Biden wants to pull out troops as well. Both candidates have the same policy.
False. Trump tweeted on Oct. 7th "We should have the small remaining number of our BRAVE Men and Women serving in Afghanistan home by Christmas!" Biden has consistently said that we need to retain a small military special forces presence to monitor and respond to any re-emergence of ISIS or Al-Qaeda to insure US security. They do NOT have the same policy on troop withdrawal.
If there is one thing Democrat candidate Joe Biden and President Donald Trump do agree on, it is the pull out of troops from Afghanistan.
His comments make it clear that Afghanistan policy will not change if there was a new president in the White House come November.
Fake news commentary. Trump wants to bring US forces down to zero. Biden wants to retain a small footprint of trained counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan and has consistently maintained that position. They do NOT have the same policy on troop withdrawal.
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There you go again spreading fake news. Here's from the JUly 15, 2020 article I posted:
"If there is one thing Democrat candidate Joe Biden and President Donald Trump do agree on, it is the pull out of troops from Afghanistan. In an interview, Biden made it clear: America bears “zero responsibility’’ if the Taliban come back to power.
“Zero responsibility. The responsibility I have is to protect America’s national interest and not put our women and men in harm's way… that’s what I’d do as president,’’ Biden said in an interview to CBS when asked whether America bore responsibility if the Taliban came back to power.
His comments make it clear that Afghanistan policy will not change if there was a new president in the White House come November. “I hope this is a wake-up call to any Afghan leaders slow-rolling the #AfghanPeaceProcess in the hopes that the US might change direction and aim to stay in Afghanistan (if) Joe Biden wins in November,’’ tweeted Laurel Miller, Director of Asia Programme at the Crisis Group...."
"...Biden’s views on Afghanistan are not new. In 2010, Biden had lost his temper with Richard Holbrooke, the then special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, when the latter raised the point of making the rights of Afghan women a priority. Biden “erupted’’ Holbrooke, with the exchange recorded in the book Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century. "I am not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women’s rights, it just won’t work, that’s not what they’re there for,’’ he is quoted as saying. Biden wanted to get out of Afghanistan..."
This is really dishonest, Alan. You should stop doing this. The Biden quote -- a whole transcript of the Face the Nation interview -- is found easily enough with Google. Why did you go to a secondary source that twisted the interview?
Biden said:
"I gave you my- I gave the answer. Do I bear responsibility? Zero responsibility. The responsibility I have is to protect America's na- national self-interest and not put our women and men in harm's way to try to solve every single problem in the world by use of force. That's my responsibility as President. And that's what I'll do as president."
He didn't say he bears zero responsibility if the Taliban comes back to power -- he said we bear zero responsibility for solving all the world's problems by sending troops everywhere. In the same interview, he favored keeping some troops in Afghanistan, to prevent the Taliban or Al Queda from coming back to power.
"I think we should only have troops there to make sure that it's impossible for the Taliban and excuse me- for ISIS or al-Qaeda to reestablish a foothold there, to be able to go from Afghanistan to the United States to attack the United States. That requires a much smaller footprint.
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He won't watch a 4-minute long video clip of the interview that proves his assertions and the phony news commentary he linked to are false. You think that he'd be willing to even glance at a transcript?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-joe-biden-on-face-the-nation-february-23-2020/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-joe-biden-on-face-the-nation-february-23-2020/)
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Peter,
Biden wants to pull out troops as well. Both candidates have the same policy. You'd think that CBS would mention Biden's position in the article. But of course the fake news press's job is only to smear Trump.
https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2020/07/15/us-set-to-pull-out-of-afghanistan-regardless-of-the-election-result.html
The point is not whether Biden's position is different, duh. The point is that the Taliban have explicitly endorsed Trump.
The main stream press does not seek to smear Trump--that a right-wing pipe dream. They report accurately and because Trump does so many stupid, vile, and evil things, it just looks that way.
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I am really pulling for this guy to oust Lindsey Graham.
Jaime Harrison raises $57 million in campaign to unseat Lindsey Graham, shattering quarterly record
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/11/jaime-harrison-raises-57-million-in-campaign-to-unseat-lindsey-graham.html
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For crying out loud man! Watch the freaking interview with Biden that your fake news article references!
I handed it to you already on a silver platter, but here it is again. If you can spare 4-minutes of your time to bother to check the reliability of the fake news you keep linking to or simply make up on your own, you may actually be enlightened.
https://www.youtube.com/Joe Biden talks Afghanistan, future of troop presence overseas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FS6LetvXfQ)
If you bother to watch the interview and then are unable or unwilling to see that their policies on troop withdrawals are not the same, as you and your quoted fake news commentary claim, I can't be bothered with your nonsense.
False. Trump tweeted on Oct. 7th "We should have the small remaining number of our BRAVE Men and Women serving in Afghanistan home by Christmas!" Biden has consistently said that we need to retain a small military special forces presence to monitor and respond to any re-emergence of ISIS or Al-Qaeda to insure US security. They do NOT have the same policy on troop withdrawal.
Fake news commentary. Trump wants to bring US forces down to zero. Biden wants to retain a small footprint of trained counterterrorism forces in Afghanistan and has consistently maintained that position. They do NOT have the same policy on troop withdrawal.
Suddenly on Oct 7, 4 days ago, he stated that he wants to leave a small contingent. For a decade, he's been telling everyone he wants our troops out. He won't watch a 4-minute long video clip of the interview that proves his assertions and the phony news commentary he linked to are false. You think that he'd be willing to even glance at a transcript?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-joe-biden-on-face-the-nation-february-23-2020/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-joe-biden-on-face-the-nation-february-23-2020/)
Trump was leaving a small contingent too originally. But that was before. He's now engaged in negotiations as president with the Taliban. So sure, there's now a slight difference. But Biden wanted the troops out for years which was Trump's position. Both men agreed on this.
In any case, my point was not about the difference, small or large as you perceive it. But that CBS just smeared Trump and never said in their article anything about Biden's position, which is basically the same as Trumps. Regarding leaving troops there, this is from the same VP who in 2011 supported Obama in pulling troops out of Iraq against military commanders advice. That was the power vacuum that create ISIS that Trump had to destroy along with Al Baghdadi, its leader. CBS said nothing about that either.
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I am really pulling for this guy to oust Lindsey Graham.
Jaime Harrison raises $57 million in campaign to unseat Lindsey Graham, shattering quarterly record
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/11/jaime-harrison-raises-57-million-in-campaign-to-unseat-lindsey-graham.html
You never hear from Democrats how money is helping their candidates. They only complain about campaign financing when Republicans get it. What a bunch of phonies.
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Suddenly on Oct 7, 4 days ago, he stated that he wants to leave a small contingent.
No.No.No. You don't even bother with basic reading comprehension. TRUMP tweeted on Oct. 7th that he was bringing all of the troops home from Afghanistan before Christmas. Biden has very consistently... you know what. Never mind. This is like trying to teach a brick how to do calculus.
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No.No.No. You don't even bother with basic reading comprehension. TRUMP tweeted on Oct. 7th that he was bringing all of the troops home from Afghanistan before Christmas. Biden has very consistently... you know what. Never mind. This is like trying to teach a brick how to do calculus.
Your frustration is understandable but you are wasting your time trying to get him to read or listen to anything you suggest. He never has before. His posts are almost always just talking points that are probably posted on cult web sites for followers to use. Reality has no traction in that world. They probably think he has actually drained the swamp and built the wall.
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This is like trying to teach a brick how to do calculus.
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Reading Uncle Remus is probably not politically correct these days, but taking a quick glance at the tale of Tar-Baby might shed some light on the problem. Br-er Rabbit ultimately prevails over Br-er Fox, but not without sullying himself in the process. It is best to walk on by. The ignore feature aids you in doing so.
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Biden clearly stated in
2011 2012 (corrected) when he was Vice President under Obama that we should get out of Afghanistan entirely. Sure, Biden changed his mind a little for this election. But Biden has changed his mind on every policy he's ever had except wanting to be president. My main point was the CBS never mentioned Biden or his policy positions in the article. It just use the article to smear Trump. I agree with Biden's assessment in 2011 which matches Trumps current plan. Americans need to get out of Afghanistan. WHo cares who runs that country. We should just warn the Taliban that if they again allow their country to be used as a terrorist camp, then we'll be back.
Biden: Mission accomplished in Afghanistan
Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday night that the United States has successfully completed its one and only mission in Afghanistan: to destroy al Qaeda, seeming to narrow the administration’s goals for the war. "The fact is we went there for one reason: to get those people who killed Americans — al Qaeda," Biden said during ...
BY JOSH ROGIN | OCTOBER 11, 2012, 11:20 PM
"The fact is we went there for one reason: to get those people who killed Americans — al Qaeda," Biden said during his debate with Rep. Paul Ryan. "We decimated al Qaeda central; we have eliminated Osama bin Laden. That was our purpose."
"It is the responsibility of the Afghans to take care of their own security," he said. "The primary objective is almost completed. Now all we’re doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. It’s their responsibility, not America’s."
"[Ryan] and the governor say it’s based on conditions, which means ‘it depends.’ It does not depend for us. It is the responsibility of the Afghans to take care of their own security," Biden said in what appear to be the most emphatic statements on the 2014 departure date by an Obama administration official. "We are leaving in 2014. Period."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/11/biden-mission-accomplished-in-afghanistan/
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Biden has changed his mind on every policy he's ever had except wanting to be president.
Citation?
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Citation?
Look up the word rhetorical.
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Citation?
By the way, Matt, is that the only negative thing you can say about my post? So I suppose you now agree with everything I was saying regarding everything Biden believed in 2012 and that he's changed his policy position? You didn't say anything about that point.
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By the way, Matt, is that the only negative thing you can say about my post? So I suppose you now agree with everything I was saying regarding everything Biden believed in 2012 and that he's changed his policy position? You didn't say anything about that point.
No that means I don't think you have any evidence to support your claims.
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Joe Biden was Vice-President from January 2009 thru January 2017. The role of any Vice-President is to privately offer the President their opinions and advice and to publicly support the President's policies. A Vice-President can advise on policy, but does not decide policy.
President Obama not only welcomed a variety of differing and dissenting opinions, he encouraged them. It has been well documented and widely reported that Biden privately presented Obama with a strong dissent to the advice of military leaders for surging a large number of troops into Afghanistan in an attempt to restructure the country. Ultimately, Obama did not take Biden's advice and surged first 20,000 and then an additional 30,000 troops into Afghanistan until there were about 100,000 US troops there. In policy meetings and discussions, Biden was a constant thorn in the side of Obama's military advisors and consistently argued that it would not achieve the goals that were promised; that there was no winnable war in the region for the US; and that the focus should be on counterterrorism efforts. He was ultimately proven right.
The policy approach to Afghanistan, and more broadly in Iraq and Syria, that Biden proposed then privately, and since then publicly, was a narrowly focused mission of counterterrorism with enough specialized forces on the ground to monitor and combat, with the assistance of local fighters, any terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda or ISIS. He vocally opposed, then and now, the ideas that large numbers of US troops were necessary or that we were capable of reforming or remaking the region to our liking. He also opposed then, and opposes now, bringing US forces on the ground down to zero as he believes that we need eyes and ears and forces on the ground to enable the US to maintain our own security against potential threats.
While Biden throughout his career has shown that he is willing and able to admit to, and learn from, mistakes and errors in judgement and a willingness to change his mind based on past experience and new information, his position in this area has been fairly consistent for over a decade. As a Senator, he opposed the troop surge in Iraq in 2007 by Bush and argued for retaining residual forces there in 2011 as Obama's VP. None of this is a secret. Since leaving office as VP, numerous books, opinion pieces, and news articles by people inside and outside of the Obama administration have reported his positions and advice to the President in addition to his own public statements.
Biden has had plenty of critics on this position over the years from the left and right, and from within and outside of the Obama administration. Open debate and criticism is healthy in a democracy. It's also quite easy to fabricate false or misleading narratives that obscure the truth. The truth is that Biden has for years opposed large numbers of troops and troop surges regardless of who was President. He was a dissident voice in the Obama administration for troop surges in Afghanistan and withdrawing from Iraq without a residual force remaining for security. He opposes Trump's plan to bring troop levels down to zero and that is consistent with his long standing positions.
It is also true that the Taliban want all US forces out of Afghanistan and eagerly support Trump for his statements that he intends to remove all US forces quickly. It's not a smear to report that fact. It's called journalism.
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Eric "Vaccine" Trump needs to work on his event vetting:
"Eric Trump cancels event at Michigan gun shop after former employee is linked to domestic terror plot against governor"
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/10/12/eric-trump-cancels-event-at-michigan-gun-shop-after-former-employee-is-linked-to-domestic-terror-plot-against-governor/
I thought Don Jr. is the gun guy anyway.
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Joe Biden was Vice-President from January 2009 thru January 2017. The role of any Vice-President is to privately offer the President their opinions and advice and to publicly support the President's policies. A Vice-President can advise on policy, but does not decide policy.
President Obama not only welcomed a variety of differing and dissenting opinions, he encouraged them. It has been well documented and widely reported that Biden privately presented Obama with a strong dissent to the advice of military leaders for surging a large number of troops into Afghanistan in an attempt to restructure the country. Ultimately, Obama did not take Biden's advice and surged first 20,000 and then an additional 30,000 troops into Afghanistan until there were about 100,000 US troops there. In policy meetings and discussions, Biden was a constant thorn in the side of Obama's military advisors and consistently argued that it would not achieve the goals that were promised; that there was no winnable war in the region for the US; and that the focus should be on counterterrorism efforts. He was ultimately proven right.
The policy approach to Afghanistan, and more broadly in Iraq and Syria, that Biden proposed then privately, and since then publicly, was a narrowly focused mission of counterterrorism with enough specialized forces on the ground to monitor and combat, with the assistance of local fighters, any terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda or ISIS. He vocally opposed, then and now, the ideas that large numbers of US troops were necessary or that we were capable of reforming or remaking the region to our liking. He also opposed then, and opposes now, bringing US forces on the ground down to zero as he believes that we need eyes and ears and forces on the ground to enable the US to maintain our own security against potential threats.
While Biden throughout his career has shown that he is willing and able to admit to, and learn from, mistakes and errors in judgement and a willingness to change his mind based on past experience and new information, his position in this area has been fairly consistent for over a decade. As a Senator, he opposed the troop surge in Iraq in 2007 by Bush and argued for retaining residual forces there in 2011 as Obama's VP. None of this is a secret. Since leaving office as VP, numerous books, opinion pieces, and news articles by people inside and outside of the Obama administration have reported his positions and advice to the President in addition to his own public statements.
Biden has had plenty of critics on this position over the years from the left and right, and from within and outside of the Obama administration. Open debate and criticism is healthy in a democracy. It's also quite easy to fabricate false or misleading narratives that obscure the truth. The truth is that Biden has for years opposed large numbers of troops and troop surges regardless of who was President. He was a dissident voice in the Obama administration for troop surges in Afghanistan and withdrawing from Iraq without a residual force remaining for security. He opposes Trump's plan to bring troop levels down to zero and that is consistent with his long standing positions.
It is also true that the Taliban want all US forces out of Afghanistan and eagerly support Trump for his statements that he intends to remove all US forces quickly. It's not a smear to report that fact. It's called journalism.
These don't sound like your words. Did you copy them from somewhere? If so, it would be appropriate to credit the original writer and provide a link.
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They are my own words and my own thoughts expressed my own way. Of course, I didn't just make up from my imagination or random passing thoughts what Joe Biden's policy history has been. That was distilled from reading numerous articles and watching a variety of interviews over time.
I guess I'll take it as a compliment that you suspect otherwise. If you're still suspicious, it should be fairly easy to show that I'm copying and pasting. Just have a go at it with Google.
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They are my own words and my own thoughts expressed my own way. Of course, I didn't just make up from my imagination or random passing thoughts what Joe Biden's policy history has been. That was distilled from reading numerous articles and watching a variety of interviews over time.
I guess I'll take it as a compliment that you suspect otherwise. If you're still suspicious, it should be fairly easy to show that I'm copying and pasting. Just have a go at it with Google.
I'm sorry that I thought otherwise. You're a good writer. I wish I knew your first name. I think it would create more personal trust. Alan.
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An interesting article on the "militia movement" and their warped view of the constitution is linked below. The article includes a much clearer photo of the knuckleheads that wandered around inside the Michigan State Capitol in April—wearing their soldier costumes and rifles at the ready—than the snapshot from a State Senator that I linked in an earlier post on the kidnapping plot.
https://images.theconversation.com/Photo-Militia Members-April 30 in the Michigan State Capitol (https://images.theconversation.com/files/362779/original/file-20201009-21-1gb0mhr.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=754&h=503&fit=crop&dpr=1)
"Plot to kidnap Michigan’s governor grew from the militia movement’s toxic mix of constitutional falsehoods and half-truths"
"The U.S. militia movement has long been steeped in a peculiar – and unquestionably mistaken – interpretation of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and civil liberties."
https://theconversation.com/plot-to-kidnap-michigans-governor-grew-from-the-militia-movements-toxic-mix-of-constitutional-falsehoods-and-half-truths (https://theconversation.com/plot-to-kidnap-michigans-governor-grew-from-the-militia-movements-toxic-mix-of-constitutional-falsehoods-and-half-truths-147825)
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I'm sorry that I thought otherwise. You're a good writer. I wish I knew your first name. I think it would create more personal trust. Alan.
No apology needed, but thanks. I have no interest, for multiple reasons both personal and professional, to be personally identifiable in an online forum and don't use any of the social media platforms. Just not my thing.
If you're interested in Biden's policy positions regarding Afghanistan and the surrounding region and how they were somewhat modified and solidified into the position he has held for the past eleven years after visiting at Obama's request to give him a report on the conditions there in 2009; I'll be happy to supply some linked articles to read. I don't want to do so, however, if you're not interested in reading them or learning more about the subject.
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You're a good writer...
He is an excellent writer. We're lucky to have such an articulate and well-researched voice of reason here.
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You are far too generous. I've just been passionate about history since I was old enough to read and have had a deep interest in politics and government since the age of 12.
Recently, I've tried to avoid the whole back and forth, post and reply scenario, and simply post or write what I want to say, independent from making a specific response to someone. But, I'm human and get emotionally involved and have slipped from that goal. The previous long post, that Alan replied to, was an attempt to return to that idea. I think it improves my clarity of thought when I'm writing what I want to say instead of responding to what someone else has said.
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No apology needed, but thanks. I have no interest, for multiple reasons both personal and professional, to be personally identifiable in an online forum and don't use any of the social media platforms. Just not my thing.
If you're interested in Biden's policy positions regarding Afghanistan and the surrounding region and how they were somewhat modified and solidified into the position he has held for the past eleven years after visiting at Obama's request to give him a report on the conditions there in 2009; I'll be happy to supply some linked articles to read. I don't want to do so, however, if you're not interested in reading them or learning more about the subject.
I think I know enough about Biden's policy. Although it's changed somewhat for election purposes, he and Trump really are similar. They both want us out of a lot of places. Enough foreign adventures. If Biden wins, you won't see much difference in American foreign affair policies. I don't think he'll be as tough on our allies to "pay up". But worsening economic conditions in America will force him to toughen up. China's going to be the real issue in the future. I hope Biden forgets about giving Russia a hard time. We need them on our side against China not on China's side against us.
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I think I know enough about Biden's policy.
Thanks. That will save me time and energy. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
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Trump at the Florida rally / Covid party today said...
"I'm not gonna say the best, but I'm just about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico. You better vote for me, Puerto Rico. You better vote for me."
30-second clip... https://www.c-span.org/video/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4914458/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico)
Uh... there's a small problem with that Puerto Rico vote.
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Trump at the Florida rally / Covid party today said...
"I'm not gonna say the best, but I'm just about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico. You better vote for me, Puerto Rico. You better vote for me."
30-second clip... https://www.c-span.org/video/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4914458/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico)
Uh... there's a small problem with that Puerto Rico vote.
Wow, you thought he was talking to folks living in Peurto Rico? Now thats just silly.
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Shouldn't a successful billionaire manage a business better than this?
But he's neither successful nor a billionaire.
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But he's neither successful nor a billionaire.
What did you expect with Don Jr. and Eric at the helm when a pandemic strikes? It's the perfect storm. Fortunately, it was only undocumented immigrants who lost their jobs. Speaking of which, it's three weeks before the election and Trump hasn't mentioned anything about an angry hoard of murderers and rapists closing in on our unprotected Southern border. I guess that is so 2016.
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Trump at the Florida rally / Covid party today said...
"I'm not gonna say the best, but I'm just about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico. You better vote for me, Puerto Rico. You better vote for me."
30-second clip... https://www.c-span.org/video/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4914458/user-clip-trump-vote-puerto-rico)
Why is Trump saying that he is about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico? It sounds like a line from an SNL skit. I need some help from the Trump whisperers.
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I am happy to report that everyone in my neighborhood splurged on priority shipping, and now have their replacement Biden lawn signs up. They put them right next to the ones the Trump supporter defaced just to remind people that Trump supporters are dickheads.
Meanwhile, it appears that nothing is happening today. The first story in my newsfeed this morning was that Apple is introducing a new iPhone 12 with 5G and an OLED screen. I have heard that 5G is supposed to be faster, though I have no idea what 5G actually is. I think OLED stands for organic LED, which ought to appeal to those in the green movement. Most of the stuff I buy is organic, so why not have an organic screen too. My daughter may get the new phone, in which case I would get her current one as a hand me down. My iPhone is so old it won't run the latest eBay app. The only reason I know that is I tried unsuccessfully to buy some vacuum cleaner bags the other day. You know the economy is in the crapper when you are buying vacuum cleaner bags on your phone. I have been getting out sort of like the good old days though. I had a doctors appointment on Monday and have another one on Thursday. I picked up a prescription today. The Halloween candy was marked down and the shelves were stocked with Christmas candy. I think they are rushing things. There is something so wrong about selling marshmallow Santas in October. But most people are so confused they don't have any idea what month it is anyway so I guess it is okay.
Also in my newsfeed this morning was a story from the UK. Did you know that Prince William and Kate Middleton don't have custody of their children? I didn't read the story to find out why. I have been following Brexit, and now all I get are stories about the royal family. Do the British really read this stuff? Isn't it like keeping up with the Kardashians or something? Not that I know anything about that. Really.
I was able to confirm on the internet that my ballot has made its way to the election commission. In my state votes are tallied as the ballots are received. Seems like a pretty good idea rather than waiting until the last minute. I live in a red state. Trump won by double digits in 2016. I expect him to do so again. Some people hereabouts are slow learners. I can only say that I did my civic duty. I guess the dickhead Trump supporter who defaced all the Biden lawn signs in my neighborhood is going to get the last laugh, at least in my state. We will just have to see how things turn out elsewhere.
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Why is Trump saying that he is about the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico?
Because a few weeks ago, Trump finally released $13 billion of withheld and delayed disaster relief funds for Puerto Rico, three years after Hurricane Maria devastated the island. He didn't hedge about his greatness when announcing the aid though. He said "“I’m the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico, no one even close.”
https://apnews.com/Trump shifts on Puerto Rico, releases aid as election nears (https://apnews.com/article/puerto-rico-storms-politics-joe-biden-hurricanes-02c9eba973414d44f2f24cc06a2871da)
Coincidentally, or perhaps not, the Trump announcement of the disaster funds release came just three days after Biden visited Florida and unveiled a detailed recovery and renewal plan for Puerto Rico.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/Biden releases plan for Puerto Rico (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/2020-election/os-ne-2020-kissimmee-hispanics-biden-20200915-c5f43f62pbhpnoyoy6wkj7g2iu-story.html)
https://joebiden.com/the-biden-harris-plan-for-recovery-renewal-and-respect-for-puerto-rico/ (https://joebiden.com/the-biden-harris-plan-for-recovery-renewal-and-respect-for-puerto-rico/)
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Because a few weeks ago, Trump finally released $13 billion of withheld and delayed disaster relief funds for Puerto Rico, three years after Hurricane Maria devastated the island. He didn't hedge about his greatness when announcing the aid though. He said "“I’m the best thing that ever happened to Puerto Rico, no one even close.”
Thanks for filling me in on that. I missed both stories.
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Thanks for filling me in on that. I guess the moral of the story is better late than never.
Always happy to share information with you and to read your posts. Now, someone should let Kimberly Guilfoyle, Don Junior's girlfriend, know that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. When she spoke shouted at the Republican National Convention, she said that she was a a "first-generation American" with her mother coming from Puerto Rico and her father “also an immigrant” from Ireland.
https://www.click2houston.com/decision-2020/2020/08/25/kimberly-guilfoyle-says-shes-a-1st-generation-american-during-rnc-speech/ (https://www.click2houston.com/decision-2020/2020/08/25/kimberly-guilfoyle-says-shes-a-1st-generation-american-during-rnc-speech/)
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Always happy to share information with you and to read your posts. Now, someone should let Kimberly Guilfoyle, Don Junior's girlfriend, know that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. When she spoke shouted at the Republican National Convention, she said that she was a a "first-generation American" with her mother coming from Puerto Rico and her father “also an immigrant” from Ireland.
She sounds even dumber now than she did on Fox News "The Five". I use to watch that show sometimes before Trump came on the scene. The years have not been kind to her. Her performance at the convention is inexplicable. I initially thought she was doing one of those big mouth frog jokes. Turns out she wasn't.
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Looks like Biden agrees with me regarding how packing the court will cause the Supreme Court to lose respect. Of course, it's election season. So who knows what he really thinks?
Joe Biden says he's 'not a fan' of 'court packing' as SCOTUS hearings continue
The candidate has been dodging whether he would try to add justices.
"President Roosevelt clearly had the right to send to the United States Senate and the United States Congress a proposal to pack the court. It was totally within his right to do that. He violated no law. He was legalistically, absolutely correct," Biden, said during a Judiciary Committee hearing in 1983.
"But it was a bonehead idea. It was a terrible, terrible mistake to make. And it put in question, if for an entire decade, the independence of the most-significant body … in this country, the Supreme Court of the United States of America."
Throughout the 2020 Democratic Primary, Biden also expressed his opposition to court packing.
"No, I’m not prepared to go on and try to pack the court, because we’ll live to rue that day," Biden told the Iowa Starting Line in July of 2019.
"I would not get into court packing. We had three justices. Next time around, we lose control, they add three justices. We begin to lose any credibility the court has at all," Biden also said during the Democratic primary debate in October last year.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-fan-court-packing-scotus-hearings-continue/story?id=73585081
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Seems to me what really is, is a problem is a supreme court that does not represent the feelings of the people that make the nation.
If it is now 6-3 conservative and if the population is 3-6 liberal than there is a problem.
It can lead to unrest and make legislation coming to a standstill.
Trump already has done harm to cancel many long term agreements made by Presidents in the past, like the Iran and the climate agreement.
Also this makes the US not going anywhere if its point of view change180 degrees every 4 years and it makes the US an unreliable partner internationally.
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Nobody talks about the "trade deficit" anymore, do they? It might be good to remind ourselves of all that "winning the trade war" talk from 2-3 years ago, as if there was an actual trade war before Trump invented one, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805).
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Nobody talks about the "trade deficit" anymore, do they? It might be good to remind ourselves of all that "winning the trade war" talk from 2-3 years ago, as if there was an actual trade war before Trump invented one, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805).
Yep, and you do 't hear much about the wall or coal miners either...both failures as well. In fact, what has Trump actually come through on from all the promises he made when making promises was easy?
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Seems to me what really is a problem is a supreme court that does not represent the feelings of the people that make the nation.
If it is now 6-3 conservative and if the population is 3-6 liberal than there is a problem.
It can lead to unrest and make legislation coming to a standstill.
Trump already has done harm to cancel many long term agreements made by Presidents in the past, like the Iran and the climate agreement.
Also this makes the US not going anywhere if its point of view change180 degrees every 4 years and it makes the US an unreliable partner internationally.
You raised two issues that are not related. Regarding the first, the Supreme Court does not represent the people's feelings. They are not an elected body that changes every two or four years. It's purpose is to interpret our written Constitution independent of polls and elections and people's passions. It decides if laws and actions of the government are constitutional and not whether they are desirable by the citizens. It often turns out that more people are opposed to their decisions than not. We accept that because we've given the court respect and hope that their decisions are made independent of politics based on what the constitution says and means. The Court is not elected by the people to democratically carry out the people's wishes. Instead, the Congress and President do that. That's what elections are about.
Foreign affairs is mainly a different issue. Treaties with foreign countries should be codified by our Senate as required by our constitution. Obama made the Iran and Paris deals without the Senate's consent because the Senate would not approve it. Our constitution requires Senate approval to prevent Presidents from acting unilaterally in foreign affairs. They could get us into wars that Congress is supposed to approve. It prevents them from acting dictatorially. So presidential actions without Senate approval, can be reversed by subsequent presidents. Had Obama gotten Senate approval, Trump would have had to respect the treaties. Other countries know our Senate is required to codified agreements. But they were playing fast and cute as well hoping the deal would hold without its approval. Where it counts, where has American been unreliable? If anything, European NATO countries have not held their promise in financial support. Yet we are still in Europe defending it against the Russians and keeping peace among European nations. Our relationships with our Asian partners like Japan, Australia, and PI and Taiwan and South Korea are even stronger today as Trump increased naval presence in the Pacific and South China Sea. The real issue is many countries are used to feckless presidents who they pushed around. Now they are dealing with a tough president who is more concerned about American interests and cares little if you hate him for it. Smart Americans see that as an advantage to our country. Nothing personal.
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Yep, and you do 't hear much about the wall or coal miners either...both failures as well. In fact, what has Trump actually come through on from all the promises he made when making promises was easy?
Before Covid, we had a booming economy with the lowest unemployment rates in history, even for minority groups.
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Before Covid, we had a booming economy with the lowest unemployment rates in history, even for minority groups.
So did the rest of the world...so what.
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So did the rest of the world...so what.
When a president does a good job with the economy, people usually reward him with re-election. With Covid, he's facing an uphill battle. He has to convince enough people that he can do it again or he will lose the election.
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Seems to me what really is, is a problem is a supreme court that does not represent the feelings of the people that make the nation.
If it is now 6-3 conservative and if the population is 3-6 liberal than there is a problem.
It can lead to unrest and make legislation coming to a standstill.
The real problem is that Congress is very sloppy in drafting legislation. It they did their job correctly the Supreme Court would not be an issue. The Courts become a problem because certain things don't get addressed by Congress. If you look at three landmark decisions: Brown v Board of Education, Roe v Wade, and Oberkfell v Hodges; the Court acted because of a legislative vacuum. Now some would posit that this was incorrect of the court to do so but in a gridlocked legislative scenario it is the only way things that society wants get done.
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Before Covid, we had a booming economy with the lowest unemployment rates in history, even for minority groups.
Yet when you look at the economic growth curve that the Fed publishes, there was a slight decrease in the slope from the Obama years.
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The real problem is that Congress is very sloppy in drafting legislation. It they did their job correctly the Supreme Court would not be an issue. The Courts become a problem because certain things don't get addressed by Congress. If you look at three landmark decisions: Brown v Board of Education, Roe v Wade, and Oberkfell v Hodges; the Court acted because of a legislative vacuum. Now some would posit that this was incorrect of the court to do so but in a gridlocked legislative scenario it is the only way things that society wants get done.
It's not the job of the court to correct deficiencies of government. Otherwise, they become the legislators legislating from the bench. If the congress and the president are doing a lousy job, then people vote them out in elections. I don't want to have 9 (or 13 :) ) unelected people telling me how I should live. That's not democracy.
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Yet when you look at the economic growth curve that the Fed publishes, there was a slight decrease in the slope from the Obama years.
Obama isn't running. No one really believes Biden can do a better job. That's the issue.
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You raised two issues that are not related. Regarding the first, the Supreme Court does not represent the people's feelings. They are not an elected body that changes every two or four years. It's purpose is to interpret our written Constitution independent of polls and elections and people's passions. It decides if laws and actions of the government are constitutional and not whether they are desirable by the citizens. It often turns out that more people are opposed to their decisions than not. We accept that because we've given the court respect and hope that their decisions are made independent of politics based on what the constitution says and means. The Court is not elected by the people to democratically carry out the people's wishes. Instead, the Congress and President do that. That's what elections are about.
If that would be true it was not such a fuzz for democrats/ republicans to choose those judges; And you know it.
Foreign affairs is mainly a different issue. Treaties with foreign countries should be codified by our Senate as required by our constitution. Obama made the Iran and Paris deals without the Senate's consent because the Senate would not approve it. Our constitution requires Senate approval to prevent Presidents from acting unilaterally in foreign affairs. They could get us into wars that Congress is supposed to approve. It prevents them from acting dictatorially. So presidential actions without Senate approval, can be reversed by subsequent presidents. Had Obama gotten Senate approval, Trump would have had to respect the treaties. Other countries know our Senate is required to codified agreements. But they were playing fast and cute as well hoping the deal would hold without its approval. Where it counts, where has American been unreliable? If anything, European NATO countries have not held their promise in financial support. Yet we are still in Europe defending it against the Russians and keeping peace among European nations. Our relationships with our Asian partners like Japan, Australia, and PI and Taiwan and South Korea are even stronger today as Trump increased naval presence in the Pacific and South China Sea. The real issue is many countries are used to feckless presidents who they pushed around. Now they are dealing with a tough president who is more concerned about American interests and cares little if you hate him for it. Smart Americans see that as an advantage to our country. Nothing personal.
Probably you are right about the Iran deal; but you obviously did not mention the Climate treaty;
The NATO countries do not spend enough as they should - fair; but this is far from unreliable; and the US is in Europe also to protect their own interests - as they do all over the world.
about influence and economy
Our relationships with our Asian partners like Japan, Australia, and PI and Taiwan and South Korea are even stronger today as Trump increased naval presence in the Pacific and South China Sea
The US lost economic influence;
Just in office he pulled out of the TTP ; countries worked on that for years.
The result is that the Asian countries had to make their own trade deal without the US, now with China as largest menber (RCEP)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/12/what-is-rcep-asia-pacific-trade-deal-slated-to-be-worlds-largest-fta.html
Now they are dealing with a tough president who is more concerned about American interests and cares little if you hate him for it. Smart Americans see that as an advantage to our country. Nothing personal.
He is even "immune"- he can face his rally audience without any fear from covid, unlike the audience ; he does not even protect his most loyal supporters (smart Americans).
Instead: he puts them at serious risk getting infected while telling them not to fear covid. Staying alive is an American interest- however ...
When a president does a good job with the economy, people usually reward him with re-election. With Covid, he's facing an uphill battle. He has to convince enough people that he can do it again or he will lose the election.
Trump started with a good running economy left by Obama ;
and read the article that Robert Roaldi just linked:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805.
As for Covid: Trump's lack of a plan ( that should have been followed by decisive action ) has made the problem much worse and is responsible for many avoidable deaths.
(nothing personal)
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It's not the job of the court to correct deficiencies of government. Otherwise, they become the legislators legislating from the bench. If the congress and the president are doing a lousy job, then people vote them out in elections. I don't want to have 9 (or 13 :) ) unelected people telling me how I should live. That's not democracy.
You do realize that we do not live in a democracy; The Constitution never mentions this. Sometimes the courts need to intervene as in Brown v Board of Education, otherwise we would still be following Plessy v Ferguson with separate but "equal" schools.
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If that would be true it was not such a fuzz for democrats/ republicans to choose those judges; And you know it.
Probably you are right about the Iran deal; but you obviously did not mention the Climate treaty;
The NATO countries do not spend enough as they should - fair; but this is far from unreliable; and the US is in Europe also to protect their own interests - as they do all over the world.
about influence and economy
The US lost economic influence;
Just in office he pulled out of the TTP ; countries worked on that for years.
The result is that the Asian countries had to make their own trade deal without the US, now with China as largest menber (RCEP)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/12/what-is-rcep-asia-pacific-trade-deal-slated-to-be-worlds-largest-fta.html
He is even "immune"- he can face his rally audience without any fear from covid, unlike the audience ; he does not even protect his most loyal supporters (smart Americans).
Instead: he puts them at serious risk getting infected while telling them not to fear covid. Staying alive is an American interest- however ...
Trump started with a good running economy left by Obama ;
and read the article that Robert Roaldi just linked:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/trump-trade-deficit-426805.
As for Covid: Trump's lack of a plan ( that should have been followed by decisive action ) has made the problem much worse and is responsible for many avoidable deaths.
(nothing personal)
I don't know what a fuzz is.
I did mention the climate deal. I said Iran and Paris. Paris is the climate deal. (Paris Accord). It didn't have Senate approval either.
Everything else you said has nothing to do with my post.
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Looks like Biden agrees with me regarding how packing the court will cause the Supreme Court to lose respect. Of course, it's election season. So who knows what he really thinks?
Joe Biden says he's 'not a fan' of 'court packing' as SCOTUS hearings continue
The candidate has been dodging whether he would try to add justices.
"President Roosevelt clearly had the right to send to the United States Senate and the United States Congress a proposal to pack the court. It was totally within his right to do that. He violated no law. He was legalistically, absolutely correct," Biden, said during a Judiciary Committee hearing in 1983.
"But it was a bonehead idea. It was a terrible, terrible mistake to make. And it put in question, if for an entire decade, the independence of the most-significant body … in this country, the Supreme Court of the United States of America."
Throughout the 2020 Democratic Primary, Biden also expressed his opposition to court packing.
"No, I’m not prepared to go on and try to pack the court, because we’ll live to rue that day," Biden told the Iowa Starting Line in July of 2019.
"I would not get into court packing. We had three justices. Next time around, we lose control, they add three justices. We begin to lose any credibility the court has at all," Biden also said during the Democratic primary debate in October last year.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-fan-court-packing-scotus-hearings-continue/story?id=73585081
They shouldn't use the term "packing" as it implies a specific political motive--which was the case with FDR, and is of course the case right now. Court expansion is a better term, and I have read more than one persuasive argument that the entire federal court system, SCOTUS down, needs expansion simply because there are not enough justices/judges to deal with the expanding population.
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You do realize that we do not live in a democracy; The Constitution never mentions this. Sometimes the courts need to intervene as in Brown v Board of Education, otherwise we would still be following Plessy v Ferguson with separate but "equal" schools.
Yes I know we live in a representative democracy, a federal republic. But you know what I meant. No one votes for the Justices and their positions are protected for life. It's not their job to legislate from the bench. That why we vote for congressmen and Senators and Presidents. They are the ones who represent our desires for how we should be governed and live. Also, courts are not intervening if they decide things based on the constitution. That's their job. It's only when they decide on their personal preferences over what the constitution says. Then they've lost their way. Power has gone to their heads. That's when people start to disrespect them. That's when we start fighting about the judicial philosophy thinking that they'll support laws that we like rather than ruling independently based on the constitution. Both sides are doing this. It's adding to the disrespect.
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They shouldn't use the term "packing" as it implies a specific political motive--which was the case with FDR, and is of course the case right now. Court expansion is a better term, and I have read more than one persuasive argument that the entire federal court system, SCOTUS down, needs expansion simply because there are not enough justices/judges to deal with the expanding population.
Court expansion is court packing. It's like saying someone passed away rather than they're dead. 9 justices can handle the Supreme COurt as well as 13. Increasing it by 4 is packing, call it what you like.
Now, the lower Federal Courts have hundreds of judges to hear federal cases. They are in districts around the country. I'm not familiar with the statistics. But I'm sure they have been expanded over the years as the country has grown. The Supreme COurt has had the same number or 9 for around 150 years without any baleful effect.
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Obama isn't running. No one really believes Biden can do a better job. That's the issue.
Some people do: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/518094-biden-victory-democratic-sweep-would-bring-biggest-boost-to-economy-analysis
Joe, in future you should just say, "I don't think..."
"A victory for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, a Democratic takeover of the Senate and defense of the party's House majority in the November elections would be the best outcome for the U.S. economy, according to an analysis released Wednesday by Moody’s Analytics." - The Hill.
New York (CNN Business)
"President Donald Trump is once again warning voters that Democrats would 'shut our economy and jobs down' if they win in November.
Goldman Sachs is telling its clients the exact opposite."
No doubt you will bad-mouth Moodys, Goldman Sachs and The Hill. (CNN I won't even mention!)
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Some people do: https://thehill.com/policy/finance/518094-biden-victory-democratic-sweep-would-bring-biggest-boost-to-economy-analysis
Joe, in future you should just say, "I don't think..."
"A victory for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, a Democratic takeover of the Senate and defense of the party's House majority in the November elections would be the best outcome for the U.S. economy, according to an analysis released Wednesday by Moody’s Analytics." - The Hill.
New York (CNN Business)
"President Donald Trump is once again warning voters that Democrats would 'shut our economy and jobs down' if they win in November.
Goldman Sachs is telling its clients the exact opposite."
No doubt you will bad-mouth Moodys, Goldman Sachs and The Hill. (CNN I won't even mention!)
Biden intends to keep printing, even more than Trump. Most of that money is going to the rich and well connected who have investments in the stock market and other assets. Regular people will not benefit from this. So naturally, the investment community thinks it's a great idea. Regulations will increase costing business profits and loss of jobs. Of course, in the end, it will all turn to dust as the dollar collapses in value. Then, companies will go broke as business declines, taxes will have to be raised for everyone, and the whole economy will suffer.
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Then Republicans will win in 2024 to restore the economy.
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A number of current Republican candidates in close races are doing their best to ignore questions about Trump right now as both his behavior and chances for re-election continue to slide off the rails dragging their election chances with him. The size of what increasing looks like a big year for Democrats may be some indicator of how long it will take the Republican party to scrub away the lingering Trump odor in future elections.
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Seems to me what really is, is a problem is a supreme court that does not represent the feelings of the people that make the nation.
If it is now 6-3 conservative and if the population is 3-6 liberal than there is a problem.
It can lead to unrest and make legislation coming to a standstill. <snip>
I wouldn't swear to this, but I think the country is actually center-right, not mostly liberal. If Trump loses, it will be because he lost part of the normally Republican vote. (He is such a a grifter, and so obviously so, it's hard to believe that he's even competitive.) If the Republicans comes back in 2024 with a modestly conservative candidate of whichever gender, maybe like Bush 1, and a VP candidate, more strongly to the right, I think they'd win. Aside from the screamers on the left and right, I think what the country wants now is a reformed, more efficient government, and peace and quiet.
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The Economist model (link on the first post in this thread) gives Biden (as of today) a 92% chance of winning the electoral college. American polls call it much closer. I wonder why the split? The Economist is a notably even-handed magazine, not given to silliness, but it's also not American. Could distance and the generally anti-Trump attitude of the Brits have something to do with it? Wishful thinking somehow infecting their model? Or is the problem on the American side, bad polling showing its face. 538 rates polls, and some of the get D- (really.) It'd be nice to know where the reality lies.
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Speaking of peace and quiet, my dogs woke me up about 2:00 am last night barking like there was no tomorrow. I got up and turned on all the lights, inside and out. I have a lot of those wireless internet light bulbs around the house so I just have to say "lights on" and the place lights up like Chevy Chase's house in Christmas Vacation. I thought maybe the dickhead Trump supporter was back to deface the new Biden signs. I was prepared for him this time. I was wearing my camo pajamas and had my son's Star Trek phaser just in case. You laugh. It makes some pretty realistic phaser sounds. It could be a real problem if the dickhead Trump supporter was wearing a red shirt. Those are the guys who always got vaporized. Kirk couldn't even remember their names when he beamed back up with half a contingent. And Bones never could explain where he got all the wallets. Fascinating. Anyway, it was a little anti-climatic. It turns out it was probably a raccoon in the garage. A Klingon raccoon.
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Then Republicans will win in 2024 to restore the economy.
Let me see if I understand you correctly, are you saying:
a) Trump is going to lose this election? (Don't tell Joe Kitchen!) ...or
b) Trump is really going to stuff the economy up even more than he already has when he wins...?
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The Economist model (link on the first post in this thread) gives Biden (as of today) a 92% chance of winning the electoral college. American polls call it much closer. I wonder why the split? The Economist is a notably even-handed magazine, not given to silliness, but it's also not American. Could distance and the generally anti-Trump attitude of the Brits have something to do with it? Wishful thinking somehow infecting their model? Or is the problem on the American side, bad polling showing its face. 538 rates polls, and some of the get D- (really.) It'd be nice to know where the reality lies.
538 currently has Biden at an 87% chance of winning the electoral college, so not that far from The Economist forecast. 538's past track record is very good. In 2016 they gave Trump a better chance than other poll aggregators at about 30%, which is actually a pretty decent chance of winning. If the weather forecast was a 30% chance of rain, I might put an umbrella in the car.
If you look at the 538 forecast page and scroll down to "The winding path to victory" which shows the closest races on either side of a 270 electoral vote center line, you can see why Trump is currently looking to be in terrible shape to win re-election. Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, Trump needs to win all of them; and they are all states in which Biden is currently leading in the poll averages. Of those, Biden only needs to win one, Pennsylvania or perhaps Florida and the deal is done. Florida is really crucial for Trump. If he loses Florida, his path to victory will be extremely difficult as he would need to perform a repeat of 2016 with Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, which currently looks very unlikely.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/)
The 538 national polling average is here. Biden is currently in double digits at a +10.5% margin.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
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Let me see if I understand you correctly: are you saying:
a) Trump is going to lose this election? (Don't tell Joe Kitchen!) ...or
b) Trump is really going to stuff the economy up even more than he already has when he wins...?
Trump wants to spend a lot now because he;s running for re-election. If he wins, hopefully he'll cut back before the bank is broken. He will not increase taxes which will be good for business and the economy. Since he can't run for president again, he'll hopefully stick to better economic decisions. The economy may fail anyway helping Democrats in 2022 and 2024.
If Biden wins, he wants to continue printing big time and raise taxes. Increase regulation. Business will fall and the dollar will devalue. Jobs will be lost setting up Republicans for wins in 2022 and 2024.
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The Economist model (link on the first post in this thread) gives Biden (as of today) a 92% chance of winning the electoral college. American polls call it much closer.
If you scroll down the page, you’ll see that the ‘modelled popular vote’ gives Biden a 55 v 45 lead over Trump, in line with the majority of US polls providing their data stream.
They’ve also cautioned that The race for the WH is a little closer than it looks (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/10/11/the-race-for-the-white-house-is-a-little-closer-than-it-looks).
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538 currently has Biden at an 87% chance of winning the electoral college, so not that far from The Economist forecast. 538's past track record is very good. In 2016 they gave Trump a better chance than other poll aggregators at about 30%, which is actually a pretty decent chance of winning. If the weather forecast was a 30% chance of rain, I might put an umbrella in the car.
If you look at the 538 forecast page and scroll down to "The winding path to victory" which shows the closest races on either side of a 270 electoral vote center line, you can see why Trump is currently looking to be in terrible shape to win re-election. Ohio, North Carolina, Arizona, Florida, Pennsylvania, Trump needs to win all of them; and they are all states in which Biden is currently leading in the poll averages. Of those, Biden only needs to win one, Pennsylvania or perhaps Florida and the deal is done. Florida is really crucial for Trump. If he loses Florida, his path to victory will be extremely difficult as he would need to perform a repeat of 2016 with Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan, which currently looks very unlikely.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/)
The 538 national polling average is here. Biden is currently in double digits at a +10.5% margin.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/)
Hillary redux.
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Then Republicans will win in 2024 to restore the economy.
Dude. You have to go back FOURTY ONE YEARS to find the last time that happened. For many middle-aged voters, the Republicans have NEVER been the more fiscally responsible party. Like ever. In their whole lives. That's humiliating.
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For the past century, every time the economy runs off the rails, Americans elect Democrats to put it back on track. Of course, over in the alternate reality universe where modern economics can be learned from a comic book containing grossly over simplified theories and alternative facts, but with colorful pictures, the world looks very different.
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For the past century, every time the economy runs off the rails, Americans elect Democrats to put it back on track. Of course, over in the alternate reality universe where modern economics can be learned from a comic book containing grossly over simplified theories and alternative facts, but with colorful pictures, the world looks very different.
Speaking of comic books, my dad would never let me have comic books. So I spent a lot of time up at the drug store reading them. One of my friend's dad would let him have comic books, and he had scads of them. I really liked going over to his house to spend the night. I would sleep in the top bunk and read comic books until like three in the morning. I always wanted some of those x-ray glasses - for obvious reasons. A few years ago, I grew up. I guess the Republicans didn't, and that's why they use comic books to explain their economic theory. Everybody knows that Richie Rich isn't real. He's just a figment of Milton Friedman's imagination.
What we really need is about a ten trillion dollar stimulus package. Let's make that chicken in every pot and a new car in every garage story come true. I'm not worried. The deleterious effects won't occur until I'm long gone. I think my son's old enough that he won't feel them either. My grandchildren will probably be more worried about how to abandon the Earth because of global warming than about inflation. So, all in all, it could work out. I mean at least it is worth a shot. If I couldn't get a new car, I would be satisfied with some new tires. I don't drive that much anyway. And I would even be willing to forego the chicken. I'm never eating another piece of chicken. I told you about that poultry slaughtering machine that turns the carcass inside out, didn't I?
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The problem with comparing 2016 to 2020 is that Biden isn't Hillary and Trump is now a known commodity. His bizarre behavior and antics have exhausted and turned off too many voters, especially women voters across the party i.d. and ideology spectrum, and he has become a re-election problem for down ballot Republican candidates.
There are a lot of people that would like some calm relief from the constant drama of Trump's reality TV presidency. He won the Celebrity Apprentice election in 2016, now it looks like he could be the one that's fired.
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Speaking of comic books, my dad would never let me have comic books. So I spent a lot of time up at the drug store reading them. One of my friend's dad would let him have comic books, and he had scads of them. I really liked going over to his house to spend the night. I would sleep in the top bunk and read comic books until like three in the morning. I always wanted some of those x-ray glasses - for obvious reasons. A few years ago, I grew up. I guess the Republicans didn't, and that's why they use comic books to explain their economic theory. Everybody knows that Richie Rich isn't real. He's just a figment of Milton Friedman's mind.
What we really need is about a ten trillion dollar stimulus package. Let's make that chicken in every pot and a new car in every garage story come true. I'm not worried. The deleterious effects won't occur until I'm long gone. I think my son's old enough that he won't feel them either. My grandchildren will probably be more worried about how to abandon the Earth because of global warming than about inflation. So, all in all, it could work out. I mean at least it is worth a shot.
Frank, I'm sure you remember stagflation from the 1970's/early 80's. A $100 in 1970 was worth $45 by 1982 in purchasing power due to inflation. So if you had $100,000 in a retirement account in 1970, it would only buy you $45,000 in 1982. Of course, back then you could get double digit or high single digit interest rates on savings to make up a large part of that loss. But today, with interest rates near zero, we're screwed. Now,we've already printed trillions with trillions more to follow. If you think you're going to escape inflation and devaluation, you're kidding yourself. I've bought some GLD as a hedge.
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The problem with comparing 2016 to 2020 is that Biden isn't Hillary and Trump is now a known commodity. His bizarre behavior and antics have exhausted and turned off too many voters, especially women voters across the party i.d. and ideology spectrum, and he has become a re-election problem for down ballot Republican candidates.
There are a lot of people that would like some calm relief from the constant drama of Trump's reality TV presidency. He won the Celebrity Apprentice election in 2016, now it looks like he could be the one that's fired.
You may be right. But Biden isn't equiped to be president. People will have to decide.
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A photo and political tip... It's useful to clean your lens occasionally to insure that your view isn't distorted by the smears.
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You may be right. But Biden isn't equiped to be president. People will have to decide.
I get a little tired of hearing you say this, especially since Biden kicked Trump's ass in the debate, but all righty, maybe you have some special medical insight that ignores the fact that Biden is a stutterer (and that stuttering has no effect on the intellect) and goes straight to the non-fake fact that he really is a bit dim. Ronald Reagan was demonstrably senile and yet remains a Republican star, because he was surrounded by at least marginally competent administrators. The clowns, fools, grifters, thieves, sexual criminals and family members who surround Trump couldn't administrate a Band-Aid application. If Biden is a dimwit surrounded by able people, we'll be a hell of a lot better off than with any Trump.
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Lindsey Graham, a Republican senator from South Carolina, made some quip about "the good old days of segregation". That's a bit like referring to the ante bellum period as "the good old days of slavery". He has a Black challenger, Jamie Harrison, and the race is neck and neck. Naturally, he got called out on it. He is invoking the sarcasm defense. That's the defense Trump used to explain his comment about injecting disinfectant into the lungs of COVID patients, so you know just how persuasive that is. Anyway, you don't have to be a genius to know that it is racially insensitive to make such a comment even if you are being sarcastic. You have to ask how the thought even entered his consciousness. That just may have tipped the race in the challenger's favor.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/graham-clarifies-comments-segreation-429452
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I get a little tired of hearing you say this, especially since Biden kicked Trump's ass in the debate, but all righty, maybe you have some special medical insight that ignores the fact that Biden is a stutterer (and that stuttering has no effect on the intellect) and goes straight to the non-fake fact that he really is a bit dim. Ronald Reagan was demonstrably senile and yet remains a Republican star, because he was surrounded by at least marginally competent administrators. The clowns, fools, grifters, thieves, sexual criminals and family members who surround Trump couldn't administrate a Band-Aid application. If Biden is a dimwit surrounded by able people, we'll be a hell of a lot better off than with any Trump.
I think you made the case for me.
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Dude. You have to go back FOURTY ONE YEARS to find the last time that happened. For many middle-aged voters, the Republicans have NEVER been the more fiscally responsible party. Like ever. In their whole lives. That's humiliating.
What's humiliating is that neither party is fiscally responsible. When was the last time Congress actually passed a budget, as if that means anything to them anyway. We can't count on either side to do the right thing.
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I was watching the news this morning in Australia and there was a political commentator from the US on. He described Trump as being "Unburdened by facts".
I like that description. It could be used often in this forum.
As has been said many times before, with a population of 300 million people, surely you can come up with two better candidates to save the planet.
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You may be right. But Biden isn't equiped to be president. People will have to decide.
Strange things can happen. Trump wasn't equipped to be president either, and he became one.
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I was watching the news this morning in Australia and there was a political commentator from the US on. He described Trump as being "Unburdened by facts".
I like that description. It could be used often in this forum.
As has been said many times before, with a population of 300 million people, surely you can come up with two better candidates to save the planet.
Since when is it the responsibility of the US to "save the planet"
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Since when is it the responsibility of the US to "save the planet"
I don' think the responsibility falls solely on the United States. We should do our part and others should do their part. Maybe we could enter into an accord or something to coordinate our efforts.
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I don' think the responsibility falls solely on the United States. We should do our part and others should do their part. Maybe we could enter into an accord or something to coordinate our efforts.
Yea thats the ticket. Its sure to work.
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I don' think the responsibility falls solely on the United States. We should do our part and others should do their part. Maybe we could enter into an accord or something to coordinate our efforts.
Oui oui!
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I get a little tired of hearing you say this, especially since Biden kicked Trump's ass in the debate, but all righty, maybe you have some special medical insight that ignores the fact that Biden is a stutterer (and that stuttering has no effect on the intellect) and goes straight to the non-fake fact that he really is a bit dim. Ronald Reagan was demonstrably senile and yet remains a Republican star, because he was surrounded by at least marginally competent administrators. The clowns, fools, grifters, thieves, sexual criminals and family members who surround Trump couldn't administrate a Band-Aid application. If Biden is a dimwit surrounded by able people, we'll be a hell of a lot better off than with any Trump.
While Biden is not an academic star like Bill Clinton (Rhodes Scholar) or Barack Obama (President Harvard Law Review), he did graduate with dual majors in history and political science, obtained a law degree, and won a U.S. Senate seat by the age of 29. That would be hard to achieve for most people and pretty much impossible for someone a bit dim. He was an average student in college, so it's only by comparison to brilliant academic careers, like the two that I mentioned, that there is any dimness in his achievements.
Academic achievement is only one measure by which to predict success for a President. To use Washington as an example, he was sorely lacking in education and intellectual brilliance in comparison to those he surrounded himself with both as a military leader and as President. What he lacked in formal education and innate intellect was more than compensated for by his exceptional judgement. He frequently elicited the advice of others with conflicting opinions (the first signal of good judgement) and then used his own judgement to chart a course. He persuaded Hamilton, his former chief staff aide during the war, and Jefferson to join his first cabinet as President. These two extremely intelligent men held opposing opinions on nearly everything and Washington sought both of their opinions on important matters in order to get a full airing of issues before making his own judgement. All-in-all, Washington was quite successful in his use of the brilliance with which he surrounded himself.
What Biden brings to the table is vast amounts of experience and the ability to see what is working or not working, admit mistakes, and make corrections. He also has a tremendous amount of what is often called "emotional intelligence" which has given him the ability to build relationships, friendships, and successful negotiating skills across party lines and ideological boundaries. Mitch McConnell has stated, on more than one occasion, that he considers Biden both a friend and a valued negotiating partner on difficult issues. He's not the only Republican, or Democrat for that matter, that holds that opinion of Biden. A major reason that Obama chose him as VP was observing those skills when they served together in the Senate and he utilized Biden as both a Congressional negotiator as well as a close advisor. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Obama would have been better served, at times, had he followed Biden's assessment and judgement rather than those of his military advisors.
In stark contrast to Trump, Biden is wise enough and humble enough to know that he's not a genius. But, he's also smart enough to recognize the qualities that he does bring to the table and has the ability to listen to and appreciate others with knowledge and experience that is different from his own. He is a moderate at a time when many are looking for moderation; is capable of humility at a time when many have grown weary of boasting; and empathetic at a time when empathy is a needed ingredient in many citizens personal lives and in the national discourse.
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I agree with all of the TechTalk post just above; I think people may be mis-reading my post that quoted Alan. I don't think Biden is dim, I was simply saying that even if you accept Alan's absurd assertion that he is, he'd be better than Trump.
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I agree with all of the TechTalk post just above; I think people may be mis-reading my post that quoted Alan. I don't think Biden is dim, I was simply saying that even if you accept Alan's absurd assertion that he is, he'd be better than Trump.
I do realize the point that you were making and was just providing additional perspective and detail to it. Thanks.
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I think you made the case for me.
You might try thinking again. I don't think that it could do you any harm.
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Strange things can happen. Trump wasn't equipped to be president either, and he became one.
Becoming the president and being equipped are two different things...Trump has proven that.
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Biden's getting senile. The other day he couldn't remember the name of Mitt Romney his opponent in the 2012 election. He called him "that governor, the Mormon" as he struggled to remember the name. At a speech a few days ago he told the crowd how he was running for the senate. (He was one for decades before being VP).
Arguing college is OK but it's not nearly as important as toughness, clarity, being sharp, and able to execute and work hard. Common sense is an attribute other politicians don't' have having never worked in private industry. Biden doesn't show any of these things. He'll be a caretaker president, something America and the world doesn;t need with an expanding China and dangerous economic times. Trump has kept the peace, gotten us out of war, ran an effective economy until Covid, and still has at 74 the toughness, clarity, sharpness and ability to execute.
Democrats are making it seem the election is about For Trump or Against TRump. Well, there is no Against Trump check box on the ballot. You have to vote for someone who will be president. So checking off Biden has to be done. So you have to make a affirmative choice between two people.
That's the decision.
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Latest fx reports confirm that there has been a shift in investment patterns over recent weeks from US government bonds and tech stocks to buying shares in smaller companies. [ note: the S&P500 is up 9% since September. ]
Analyst reports indicating both moves are based on signs [in polling] of voters’ intentions and predictive markets that suggest Biden should win the presidency and his party wins control of both houses of Congress in a so-called “blue wave” victory on 3 November.
Jan Hatzius, the chief economist at Goldman Sachs, on record this month as saying “ a blue wave would likely prompt us to upgrade our [US economic growth] forecasts. “
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I was watching the news this morning in Australia and there was a political commentator from the US on. He described Trump as being "Unburdened by facts".
I like that description. It could be used often in this forum.
As has been said many times before, with a population of 300 million people, surely you can come up with two better candidates to save the planet.
Fiction writers should be "unburdened by facts." Not presidents.
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Latest fx reports confirm that there has been a shift in investment patterns over recent weeks from US government bonds and tech stocks to buying shares in smaller companies. [ note: the S&P500 is up 9% since September. ]
Analyst reports indicating both moves are based on signs [in polling] of voters’ intentions and predictive markets that suggest Biden should win the presidency and his party wins control of both houses of Congress in a so-called “blue wave” victory on 3 November.
Jan Hatzius, the chief economist at Goldman Sachs, on record this month as saying “ a blue wave would likely prompt us to upgrade our [US economic growth] forecasts. “
What the stock market "experts" think is that Biden and a Democrat controlled Congress will print more so-called "stimulus" money than Trump and the Republicans. That will help fill the stock market bubble and keep markets inflated. That's an illusion. It's a fake "high".
Inflation is going to raise the price of goods eventually making the dollar less valuable. People will have less "real" money to buy things lowering corporate profits as sales collapse. Also, the Democrats want to raise business taxes and will increase regulation. Both moves will lower corporate earnings forcing stock prices even lower. Gold as a hedge might be a better investment. But I've been wrong before.
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Since when is it the responsibility of the US to "save the planet"
It's not our sole responsibility. But it is our responsibility to help. And to not, as has happened under Cheeto, to drag things backwards.
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Biden's getting senile.
I'd love to see your medical qualifications for that hyperbolic assertion.
A couple of years ago, in front of a dozen of my friends at my birthday party, I couldn't recall Bob Dylan's name. I ain't senile.
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I'd love to see your medical qualifications for that hyperbolic assertion.
A couple of years ago, in front of a dozen of my friends at my birthday party, I couldn't recall Bob Dylan's name. I ain't senile.
Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator. You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down. He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term. So you have to consider that Harris would become president. Fair-minded voters should consider these issues.
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Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator. You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down. He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term. So you have to consider that Harris would become president. Fair-minded voters should consider these issues.
With Trump's emergency hospital visit last year and his barely able to make it up a ramp and shaking hands as he almost spilt his water...and his obese status, do you really think he's in better physical condition than Biden? As far as their relative mental health...do you really think a sociopath is better equipped to lead a country over someone that might forget a name?
I'd rather have a leader that forgets a name once in a while than a leader that makes up names and lies with every sentence from his mouth.
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What the stock market "experts" think is that Biden and a Democrat controlled Congress will print more so-called "stimulus" money than Trump and the Republicans. That will help fill the stock market bubble and keep markets inflated. That's an illusion. It's a fake "high".
Inflation is going to raise the price of goods eventually making the dollar less valuable. People will have less "real" money to buy things lowering corporate profits as sales collapse. Also, the Democrats want to raise business taxes and will increase regulation. Both moves will lower corporate earnings forcing stock prices even lower. Gold as a hedge might be a better investment. But I've been wrong before.
I thought the rising stock market was Trump’s main claim to ‘success’ (bollocks but its the propaganda he’s been touting).
The reality is that it’s not inflation the central bankers fear, it’s deflation. Anyway, I posted the comments only as a pointer of where ‘joe public’ feel this election is heading. Wall Street got it spectacularly wrong in 2016, and it somewhat defies belief that with 3 weeks to go, opinions swing from ‘a blue wave’ taking control of both houses, to a somewhat tenuous belief that, notwithstanding his histrionics and lack of funding, Trump might swing it.
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Compare videos of Biden today with those years ago when he was a sitting VP or senator. You don't have to be a doctor to see how he's losing it and slowing down. He's not up to being an American president mentally or physically. If he wins, he might not serve out his term. So you have to consider that Harris would become president. Fair-minded voters should consider these issues.
2 years of Biden and 2 years of Harris would be still better than 4 years of Trump (or if gets senile then 2 years of Trump and 2 years of Pence).
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2 years of Biden and 2 years of Harris would be still better than 4 years of Trump (or if gets senile then 2 years of Trump and 2 years of Pence).
Better for who? You're Canadian and I understand why you don't like him. NAFTA and all that. But from an American standpoint, USMCA is a better deal for us.
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I thought the rising stock market was Trump’s main claim to ‘success’ (bollocks but its the propaganda he’s been touting).
The reality is that it’s not inflation the central bankers fear, it’s deflation. Anyway, I posted the comments only as a pointer of where ‘joe public’ feel this election is heading. Wall Street got it spectacularly wrong in 2016, and it somewhat defies belief that with 3 weeks to go, opinions swing from ‘a blue wave’ taking control of both houses, to a somewhat tenuous belief that, notwithstanding his histrionics and lack of funding, Trump might swing it.
The economy and market has been going up a lot because of the Fed printing and Trump encouraging it. I disagree with him, totally, on that. It's fake. It's creating more debt that will have to be paid back hurting business, jobs, the economy and our future. Unfortunately, Biden and his liberal ideas are worse. They will print more. So we're damned whoever we choose regarding printing. That's why we need a divided government with each party controlling some part of it. Otherwise, the printing will totally destroy the economy and the dollar.
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What goes around comes around. Seems like the Democrats have been not wearing their masks either.
Biden campaign halts Kamala Harris' travel after two people in campaign's orbit test positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-travel-coronavirus/index.html
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President Obama gave two countries for his VP Joe Biden to handle foreign affairs with - China and Ukraine. His son Hunter got million dollars jobs with both of them and the family got rich. Of course we all remember his and his father Joe Biden's dealings in the Ukraine as well. Of course, Biden's protector's the liberal anti-Trump press including Twitter and Facebook have buried this story.
Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/
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What goes around comes around. Seems like the Democrats have been not wearing their masks either.
Biden campaign halts Kamala Harris' travel after two people in campaign's orbit test positive for coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/kamala-harris-campaign-travel-coronavirus/index.html
Did you read the article?
The two people were with Harris on a flight on October 8, the day after her debate with Vice President Mike Pence.
"During the flight, Senator Harris wore an N95 mask, as did both individuals. She was not within 6 feet for more than 15 minutes with either of them," O'Malley Dillon said
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Did you read the article?
Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. :)
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Did you read the article?
Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask. She's a hypocrite.
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Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask. She's a hypocrite.
They all are. :) But who can blame them. Yesterday, my wife dropped me off at the ice cream parlor and left to go to the post office. I immediately realized I forgot my mask in the car. But I went ahead, got my ice cream anyway standing 6 feet away from the sales window. Then sat down to eat my hot fudge Sunday by myself while waiting for my wife to return to pick me up. Yum.
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Yesterday when someone asked why Harris asking her questions of ACB from her office, one Senator noted that right after her questions she left her office and got on an crowded elevator with no mask. She's a hypocrite.
This clip? (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/lucy-collins/kamala-harris-too-unsafe-attend-hearing-person-uses-crowded) She sure looks masked to me.
Although I agree the elevator looks too crowded for current safety protocols. That's not good but it's nothing compared to the Trump family refusing masks at the debate, for example.
Hopefully she will get through this close call ok and update her protocol to be more careful and be a better example.
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This clip? (https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/lucy-collins/kamala-harris-too-unsafe-attend-hearing-person-uses-crowded) She sure looks masked to me.
Although I agree the elevator looks too crowded for current safety protocols. That's not good but it's nothing compared to the Trump family refusing masks at the debate, for example.
Hopefully she will get through this close call ok and update her protocol to be more careful.
I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.
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I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.
Well there's the exchange in the link I posted. Makes a popular talking point but it also appears to be false.
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President Obama gave two countries for his VP Joe Biden to handle foreign affairs with - China and Ukraine. His son Hunter got million dollars jobs with both of them and the family got rich. Of course we all remember his and his father Joe Biden's dealings in the Ukraine as well. Of course, Biden's protector's the liberal anti-Trump press including Twitter and Facebook have buried this story.
Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm
https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/
This is like a Trump comedy routine -- the "e-mails" came from a laptop computer that "Hunter Biden" dropped off at a repair shop and then, oddly, never returned to pick up. When the shop owner got curious and looked into it, he found the "e-mails" and gave them to...Steve Bannon. Bwahahahaha. No, really, you're killing me.
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Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. :)
Quite correct. Trump's been getting out all the time and infecting his staff and family with the virus, and through his rallies he has caused indirect infection of hundreds of his supporters, whereas Biden complies with the advice from medical experts and avoids non-essential encounters. He has logged also many more hours of wearing a mask than Trump.
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The economy and market has been going up a lot because of the Fed printing and Trump encouraging it. I disagree with him, totally, on that. It's fake. It's creating more debt that will have to be paid back hurting business, jobs, the economy and our future.
The stock market is gong up because there is a lot of money that investors have to put there. Bonds are a dead end right not in terms of interest rates so the only play is equities. Before you bitch about debt, look at how much debt the tax cut bill created even though Mnuchin said it would pay for itself. I've never seen any Republican tax cut proposal generate the amount of revenue they claimed. Even St. Ronald Reagan had to support a tax increase after the tax cut he championed did provide the supply side boost they claimed it would.
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I didn't see a video, I heard some Senator comment on it.
Trust but verify should be your motto; it is mine.
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Better for who? You're Canadian and I understand why you don't like him. NAFTA and all that. But from an American standpoint, USMCA is a better deal for us.
Every analysis I've ever read, except for yours, has stated that the so-called re-negotiation of NAFTA was an utter waste of time and money, nothing substantial was changed, except that Trump sent out a bunch of tweets that, apparently, some people believed.
A few weeks ago now, out of the blue, Trump threatened to raise aluminum tariffs on Canada, then a few days later called it off. Nothing happened in between that anyone could see. Were it me, I'd check the market trades of him and his buddies to see if they took advantage of any movements that happened. Similarly I'd check the trades that occurred the day after he dumped on Amazon. I think it's emerging quite clearly that he's simply an old-fashioned con man crook and that he's never been anything else. He can't understand the ins and outs of trade policy anymore that he can understand vaccines. One thing that is spectacularly clear is that he doesn't give a damn about the USA and especially its citizens.
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Well, Trump's been getting out all the time while Biden's been hiding in the basement putting the "lid" on campaigning early every day so he can take his nappy. :)
Could you imagine how much of a whitewash this compaign would have been if Biden didn't just sit back in the summer and watch Trump self destruct. Biden has played his cards very nicely as Trump tried to lie his way through the health and economic mess he made.
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This is like a Trump comedy routine -- the "e-mails" came from a laptop computer that "Hunter Biden" dropped off at a repair shop and then, oddly, never returned to pick up. When the shop owner got curious and looked into it, he found the "e-mails" and gave them to...Steve Bannon. Bwahahahaha. No, really, you're killing me.
Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet. I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic.
If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired. This is serious. I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity. There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice.
But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies. Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories.
Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights. However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.” In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms. FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude.
If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture.
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Quite correct. Trump's been getting out all the time and infecting his staff and family with the virus, and through his rallies he has caused indirect infection of hundreds of his supporters, whereas Biden complies with the advice from medical experts and avoids non-essential encounters. He has logged also many more hours of wearing a mask than Trump.
Biden's been acting like a wimp hiding in his basement, not as a leader. Teaching people to be fearful is not what we need a president who leads the most powerful nation in the world.
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The stock market is gong up because there is a lot of money that investors have to put there. Bonds are a dead end right not in terms of interest rates so the only play is equities. Before you bitch about debt, look at how much debt the tax cut bill created even though Mnuchin said it would pay for itself. I've never seen any Republican tax cut proposal generate the amount of revenue they claimed. Even St. Ronald Reagan had to support a tax increase after the tax cut he championed did provide the supply side boost they claimed it would.
The money's there because the Fed is printing it and the government is spending it, some of it as direct support of markets, bonds, corporations, etc. Trump is just as guilty of being irresponsible. I said that in my post. It's just that Biden will be worse.
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Every analysis I've ever read, except for yours, has stated that the so-called re-negotiation of NAFTA was an utter waste of time and money, nothing substantial was changed, except that Trump sent out a bunch of tweets that, apparently, some people believed.
A few weeks ago now, out of the blue, Trump threatened to raise aluminum tariffs on Canada, then a few days later called it off. Nothing happened in between that anyone could see. Were it me, I'd check the market trades of him and his buddies to see if they took advantage of any movements that happened. Similarly I'd check the trades that occurred the day after he dumped on Amazon. I think it's emerging quite clearly that he's simply an old-fashioned con man crook and that he's never been anything else. He can't understand the ins and outs of trade policy anymore that he can understand vaccines. One thing that is spectacularly clear is that he doesn't give a damn about the USA and especially its citizens.
Yet you want me believe there wasn't a con with Vice President Biden and his son regarding the Ukraine and China millions his family got. Or how Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her ex-president husband Bill made millions selling access. Or how Obama got his original house in Chicago for a song below market value? How's this? They're all crooks!! Welcome to American politics.
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Could you imagine how much of a whitewash this compaign would have been if Biden didn't just sit back in the summer and watch Trump self destruct. Biden has played his cards very nicely as Trump tried to lie his way through the health and economic mess he made.
Ex-VP Biden doesn't have a job. He's got nothing to do except nap. President Trump has to run the country as well as campaign. His stamina is amazing. I get tired just sitting at the computer.
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Biden's been acting like a wimp hiding in his basement, not as a leader. Teaching people to be fearful is not what we need a president who leads the most powerful nation in the world.
Here your 'immune' leader!
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Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet. I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic.
If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired. This is serious. I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity. There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice.
But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies. Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories.
Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights. However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.” In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms. FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude.
If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture.
Of course, if the Democrats win, they'll protect FB and Twitter as long as they keep supporting the Democratic position. And if they pack the court, even the supremes will look the other way and allow them to do what they want under freedom of speech. It's like the CCP being happy with Chinese news as long as only say nice things about them.
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Well there's the exchange in the link I posted. Makes a popular talking point but it also appears to be false.
I have no idea if thats the moment in time that was referenced in the news report I saw.
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Trust but verify should be your motto; it is mine.
I simply reported what I heard, kind of like the Atlantic.
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Biden has not denied anything in those emails as of yet. I will admit, at first I was skeptical of this story, and thought the part about the store owner being so near sighted he cant make positive IDs just too convenient, but it is looking more and more like the emails are authentic.
If they are, Biden met with an executive of Burisma on the sole pretense that they needed political help with an investigation, and less than a year later, Biden got the prosecutor fired. This is serious. I thought this story was bogus for a while and attributed it to just Biden's (both of them) stupidity. There is enough to go around, but now it looks like this was actual malice.
But the big story is FB and Twitter actively suppressing the information siting bogus policies. Policies that if they actually followed would have forced them to suppress plenty of Trump stories.
Now, you can try to make the argument that they are a private company and do not have to respect rights. However, in Marsh vs. Alabama in 1946, Justice Hugo Black wrote, for the majority, that “the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.” In other words, if your company becomes large enough to encompass the public's discourse, you have to protect personal freedoms. FB & Twitter are now at that size, and, as of today, I am no longer of the opinion we should just treat them with a laissez faire attitude.
If you have no issue with suppression of speech in public forums, you are no longer American or a subscriber of Western Culture.
It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.
In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story, it proves its not true.
They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them.
I think Biden has real problems now.
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It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.
In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story, it proves its not true.
They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them.
I think Biden has real problems now.
Nothing's going to come out from the FBI before the election. Even if they or the DOJ had something, there's a policy that no case charges or information about an investigation can be released three months before the election to prevent influencing the election. Of course, if he wins, it will all be buried by his administration. If he loses, no one will care.
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The plot thickens.
The New York Post's dubious Hunter Biden article was shared 300,000 times on Facebook even after the company said it limited its reach
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-new-york-post-hunter-biden-shared-thousands-after-restrictions-2020-10?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=referral
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It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.
In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story, it proves its not true.
They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them.
I think Biden has real problems now.
The only people who care about this are Trump voters, so I'm not sure how this is supposed to help him.
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The only people who care are Trump voters, so I'm not sure how this is supposed to help Trump.
Well I guess that remains to be seen. But it sure seems all the commie libs at Twitter and Facebook care a lot.
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Ex-VP Biden doesn't have a job. He's got nothing to do except nap. President Trump has to run the country as well as campaign. His stamina is amazing. I get tired just sitting at the computer.
So is that what you call it...running the country. I call it running the country into the ground. Pendemic out of control...economy out of control...enemies of what we're friends and friends of what we're once enemies. Great job Chetos.
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So is that what you call it...running the country. I call it running the country into the ground. Pendemic out of control...economy out of control...enemies of what we're friends and friends of what we're once enemies. Great job Chetos.
I don't like being called a cheto.
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I don't like being called a cheto.
No one called you a Chetos.
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It would be quite the scam to get all of the Hunter Biden photos or to better yet somehow fake them. Not impossible I guess but it strains credibility.
In any case the Biden campaign has said its "possible" slo joe may have met with the man in question. No denials at all and now they are claiming that since Facebook and Twitter are censoring the story, it proves its not true.
They are really something. I have yet to hear the FBI deny they have the laptop and the emails or that the shop owner did not contact them.
I think Biden has real problems now.
Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this. He's totally doomed.
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Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this. He's totally doomed.
Just got my ballot in the mail today and I can assure you I'm not going to write in Hunter Biden.
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Just got my ballot in the mail today and I can assure you I'm not going to write in Hunter Biden.
You're voting by mail? You know that's automagically fraudulent, right?
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You're voting by mail? You know that's automagically fraudulent, right?
Not here in Colorado! We're good at this now.
But I'll be returning it in a drop box. A real one that isn't in front of a gun shop or church!
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Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this. He's totally doomed.
Good one James :)
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You're voting by mail? You know that's automagically fraudulent, right?
Voted in person on Tuesday here. I didn't vote for Hunter Biden either.
It was a well run and appeared to be a quite safe voting process.
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Good one James :)
;D
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Not here in Colorado! We're good at this now.
But I'll be returning it in a drop box. A real one that isn't in front of a gun shop or church!
Sounds like you got it covered, but just in case, remember that it has to say *official* on it - that means it's totally legal, no matter what!
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Voted in person on Tuesday here. I didn't vote for Hunter Biden either.
It was a well run and appeared to be a quite safe voting process.
That's good to hear. As of yet, I've heard no stories about obnoxious "poll watchers" or other on-site intimidation from anyone from either side, and hopefully with the massive early voting that's happening, we can forestall too much election day confusion that would cause serious problems.
And I also will not be voting for Hunter Biden.
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Voted in person on Tuesday here. I didn't vote for Hunter Biden either.
It was a well run and appeared to be a quite safe voting process.
So you didn't need to take your assault rifle with you to ensure you could cast your vote?
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So you didn't need to take your assault rifle with you to ensure you could cast your vote?
No , I took it anyway, a handgun too.
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Every time you think the politics has hit bottom, it gets worse. Turns out that Giuliani, the guy who "received" the "Hunter Biden" "emails" was the target of a disinformation campaign to smear Biden and reelect Trump and that the White House was told about it last year. And that the guy Giuliani was meeting with in the Ukraine has been a Russian intelligence operative for decades...so says the Washington Post in a front page story.
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I simply reported what I heard, kind of like the Atlantic.
Is that the same as Trump retweeting QAnon ?
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Assuming it's true, I quite agree - Absolutely NOBODY will vote for Hunter Biden after this. He's totally doomed.
If it is true, Joe Biden broke the law, full stop!
It is illegal for a politician to curry favors with foreign governments to benefit himself or a relative. This is serious.
Another email of Hunters is of him telling another family member that "unlike Pop, I wont ask for 50% of your salary." Hunter also emailed a Chinese firm stating he needed "10 for the big guy," as in $10G or $10M and it is pretty obvious the big guy would be Joe Biden. This reeks.
I might add, that is this turns out to be a fabrication, I will have an equal amount of damning questions especially concerning Rudy G (however you spell that last name).
This is either a true story (Biden team admitted that the meeting may have happened btw) or an extremely elaborate hoax that only a government would have the resources for, which would certainly bring with it illegal actions for others. This deserves to be investigated, not ignored.
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Is that the same as Trump retweeting QAnon ?
More like Twitter saying they know whats real or not.
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Is that the same as Trump retweeting QAnon ?
More like Trump retweeting a story from the Babylon Bee.
"Twitter Shuts Down Entire Network To Slow Spread Of Negative Biden News"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/16/donald-trump-retweets-babylon-bee-attack-joe-biden-twitter/3675923001/
Think how many Trump supporters got suckered in with that one. They were peeing their pants they were so excited.
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I don't know if you guys saw the Biden town hall last night. You may have been watching Trump. But, if you think Biden has been evasive about packing the Supreme Court, you should have seen him dodge the question about whether, if elected, he would appoint Hunter as Senior White House Advisor and put him in charge of Middle East peace. The Biden transition team is reportedly already working on his temporary security clearance. Biden must have gotten one of those big fat shots in the ass because he was so on his game he dodged the question before it was even asked. I think a lot of people watching missed it. It was brilliant. No senility. No senility. The commie/libs at Facebook and Twitter are suppressing that story for sure. I can't find anything on it.
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I don't know if you guys saw the Biden town hall last night. You may have been watching Trump. But, if you think Biden has been evasive about packing the Supreme Court, you should have seen him dodge the question about whether, if elected, he would appoint Hunter as Senior White House Advisor and put him in charge of Middle East peace. The Biden transition team is reportedly already working on Hunter's temporary security clearance. Facebook and Twitter are suppressing that story for sure.
What's concerning if true, is that this sets up Biden for blackmail from the CHinese government if they have evidence of deals made with these other Chinese businessmen. At a time when China is throwing its military and economic weight around and threatening us and our allies like Australia, Taiwan, Japan, PI, NZ, etc., we need a president who isn't afraid to push back at the Chinese like Trump has done. What's interesting is how Obama pulled the US Navy out of the South China Sea for three years and China built up those islands during that time. Obama did nothing until in was a fait accomplis. Did they have something on Obama?
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Maybe it was because VP Biden and his son were making business deals with the Chinese at the time and they asked Joe to convince Obama to pull our navy out and not interfere.
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What's concerning if true, is that this sets up Biden for blackmail from the CHinese government if they have evidence of deals made with these other Chinese businessmen. At a time when China is throwing its military and economic weight around and threatening us and our allies like Australia, Taiwan, Japan, PI, NZ, etc., we need a president who isn't afraid to push back at the Chinese like Trump has done. What's interesting is how Obama pulled the US Navy out of the South China Sea for three years and China built up those islands during that time. Obama did nothing until in was a fait accomplis. Did they have something on Obama?
This is a good point that I did not think of.
Regardless, if true, and really it is looking that way, and if Biden wins, his presidency will be ineffective. This will dog him until he either resigns or is removed from office. Unlike was happened with Trump, if true, these are high crimes and impeachable conduct.
With that said, I dont know what would be better, just letting a corrupt Joe Biden run out his term or have fake as you can be Harris as president?
But in any event, if this is not investigated or even looked into, I think it will just show a clear bias against republicans and perhaps we should split as a country. I dont want to live a country where people from one side of the political isle are never investigated with the media routinely brushing scandals under the rug for them.
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But in any event, if this is not investigated or even looked into, I think it will just show a clear bias against republicans and perhaps we should split as a country. I dont want to live a country where people from one side of the political isle are never investigated with the media routinely brushing scandals under the rug for them.
Well, if it comes to that, there are plenty of other countries to choose from. The problem is, given our record on COVID, none of them will let you in. It's a hell of a dilemma. And it's all Trump's fault. He's got you coming and going.
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Well, if it comes to that, there are plenty of other countries to choose from. The problem is, given our record on COVID, none of them will let you in. It's a hell of a dilemma. And it's all Trump's fault. He's got you coming and going.
If the country splits, there will be another option that I will more then likely already be living in, especially if the court is packed. My wife and I have been flirting with moving to Dallas already.
If the court is packed, the country will not last. Red states will view the court as illegitimate, stop following their rulings, and after that it is only a matter of time before they choose to leave. We can deal with adding two more states, since the response will more then likely be breaking CA into three states, two of which would be conservative. But IMO court packing will break the union.
Anyway, prior to Tuesday I was seriously considering that maybe the best case for the country would be the Senate remaining Red and Biden winning. Hey, exhaustion eventually sets in for everyone, and Trump is just so exhausting even though I like his policies. But given the actions of FB and Twitter over this, I just dont know. I can see the other news media companies ignoring the story, but actively suppressing it is just unacceptable and I feel now the government needs to step in.
I see social media as the main source of many of our problems and feel it is something we can no longer ignore, especially when it comes to children. Something needs to be done.
I can't see Biden doing that, or anything else of much consequence, especially when it comes to uniting the country. I predict a Joe Biden presidency will be much like James Buchanan's, ignoring any real problems and allowing them to fester.
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How are Ivanka’s trademarks working out by the way?
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If the country splits, there will be another option that I will more then likely already be living in, especially if the court is packed. My wife and I have been flirting with moving to Dallas already.
You might want to rethink that. I grew up next door in Forth Worth and it is about 130 degrees in the summer. And that was before they paved the 40 miles of pasture land between the two cities. About the only upside is Texas doesn't have an income tax. And I read there is a chance Texas is going to go Biden this time around. Wouldn't that be hilarious if you moved there.
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You might want to rethink that. I grew up next door in Forth Worth and it is about 130 degrees in the summer. And that was before they paved the 40 miles of pasture land between the two cities. About the only upside is Texas doesn't have an income tax. And I read there is a chance Texas is going to go Biden this time around.
Dallas is the only advertising hub still operating normally.
NYC is pretty screwed. Everyone is leaving LA and San Fran, and CA in general over taxes, lock downs, homelessness, and they are destine for a recession regardless of how well the country does. We'd rather deal with heat then Chicago winters. Atlanta, too humid. Las Vegas is just too culturally insulting with its mini versions of popular destinations. FL, no f#@&ing way; I may be conservative, but I am not crazy. Houston is an oil town, not a advertising town.
That only leaves one other city. Not to mention, the Richards Group is one of the largest ad firms in the world. Still, I just dont know if I could give up living in an area that is walkable and live in an area where I needed to drive everywhere.
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If the country splits, there will be another option that I will more then likely already be living in, especially if the court is packed. My wife and I have been flirting with moving to Dallas already.
If the court is packed, the country will not last. Red states will view the court as illegitimate, stop following their rulings, and after that it is only a matter of time before they choose to leave. We can deal with adding two more states, since the response will more then likely be breaking CA into three states, two of which would be conservative. But IMO court packing will break the union.
Anyway, prior to Tuesday I was seriously considering that maybe the best case for the country would be the Senate remaining Red and Biden winning. Hey, exhaustion eventually sets in for everyone, and Trump is just so exhausting even though I like his policies. But given the actions of FB and Twitter over this, I just dont know. I can see the other news media companies ignoring the story, but actively suppressing it is just unacceptable and I feel now the government needs to step in.
I see social media as the main source of many of our problems and feel it is something we can no longer ignore, especially when it comes to children. Something needs to be done.
I can't see Biden doing that, or anything else of much consequence, especially when it comes to uniting the country. I predict a Joe Biden presidency will be much like James Buchanan's, ignoring any real problems and allowing them to fester.
Joe, the press has always been against Republicans and favored liberal ideas. The three broadcast TV stations, ABC, NBC and CBS along with the Washington Post and NY Times, have always been that way. However, years ago before cable, they made some attempt at some balance. Now they've thrown in with CNN and MSNBC and are totally biased. It's why no on respects the press anymore because of fake news.
I see that Twitter has now apologized for their bias. Here's the press believing they're so immune to calls of bias and criticism they can shut down political speech of one side in an election campaign for president claiming they're the arbiters of truth like some people here on LuLa. ;)
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey says blocking New York Post story was ‘wrong’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-blocking-post-story-was-wrong.html
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How are Ivanka’s trademarks working out by the way?
What Trump or his wife did is not open to blackmail. It was all open to the public and they weren't government officials when these deals were made. In any case, the way Trump has punished China with tariffs and moving naval forces into the South China Sea, how can you believe he hasn't been tough enough on them? In fact I'm worried that he's pushed them so far there could be a war.
In the Biden case, all the money transfers to Biden's son were done secretly while Joe Biden was the sitting VP responsible for foreign policy with the Ukraine and China. So if Biden suddenly stops helping Taiwan, let's say, you'll never know if was a decision biased by knowledge of what the Chinese have on him and his son.
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Dallas is the only advertising hub still operating normally.
NYC is pretty screwed. Everyone is leaving LA and San Fran, and CA in general over taxes, lock downs, homelessness, and they are destine for a recession regardless of how well the country does. We'd rather deal with heat then Chicago winters. Atlanta, too humid. Las Vegas is just too culturally insulting with its mini versions of popular destinations. FL, no f#@&ing way; I may be conservative, but I am not crazy. Houston is an oil town, not a advertising town.
That only leaves one other city. Not to mention, the Richards Group is one of the largest ad firms in the world. Still, I just dont know if I could give up living in an area that is walkable and live in an area where I needed to drive everywhere.
I'd sit tight if I was still working to see how things flesh out. The economy is going to be in turmoil over the next couple of years. It may pay to wait to see how it turns out. There's going to be a lot of surprises none of us can anticipate at this point. Places we think are going downhill may turn out to be the best and vice versa.
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Dallas is the only advertising hub still operating normally.
NYC is pretty screwed. Everyone is leaving LA and San Fran, and CA in general over taxes, lock downs, homelessness, and they are destine for a recession regardless of how well the country does. We'd rather deal with heat then Chicago winters. Atlanta, too humid. Las Vegas is just too culturally insulting with its mini versions of popular destinations. FL, no f#@&ing way; I may be conservative, but I am not crazy. Houston is an oil town, not a advertising town.
That only leaves one other city. Not to mention, the Richards Group is one of the largest ad firms in the world. Still, I just dont know if I could give up living in an area that is walkable and live in an area where I needed to drive everywhere.
Well, Dallas is a nice city so that's probably a good choice. And having a job is always a good thing. That's what Martha Stewart says. It's a good thing.
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I see social media as the main source of many of our problems and feel it is something we can no longer ignore, especially when it comes to children. Something needs to be done.
That's what my Dad used to say about television. I had to read books like Silas Marner instead.
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There's always Moscow. Sure the winters are cold, but supporters of the RePutincan party are warmly welcomed. Plus you can get the news you like 24/7 straight from the source instead of waiting for it to filter thru their Ukrainian agents to U.S. cult lawyers to Murdoch's version of the National Enquirer. Most of all, you get the genuine version of the kind of tough, strong, powerful President that Trump plays on TV and in social media.
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Biden's been acting like a wimp hiding in his basement, not as a leader. Teaching people to be fearful is not what we need a president who leads the most powerful nation in the world.
I am waiting for you to buy an airline ticket and get on a plane. Set an example for the rest of us wimps.
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There's always Moscow. Sure the winters are cold, but supporters of the RePutincan party are warmly welcomed. Plus you can get the news you like 24/7 straight from the source instead of waiting for it to filter thru their Ukrainian agents to U.S. cult lawyers to Murdoch's version of the National Enquirer. Most of all, you get the genuine version of the kind of tough, strong, powerful President that Trump plays on TV and in social media.
Thanks, from someone who does not have the courage to use his real name.
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If it is true, Joe Biden broke the law, full stop!
It is as true as the President's involvement in the Jeffery Epstein death. I happen to believe there is evidence that warrants investigation.
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I am waiting for you to buy an airline ticket and get on a plane. Set an example for the rest of us wimps.
I'm not president nor running for it. I don't have an army of doctors checking and prodding me everyday. If he's afraid, he shouldn't run and stay in the basement. We don't want cowards for president.
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What's concerning if true, is that this sets up Biden for blackmail from the CHinese government if they have evidence of deals made with these other Chinese businessmen.
Yes it is almost concerning as all the trademarks Ivanka Trump suddenly received after her dad was elected President. Nothing fishy about that.
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I see social media as the main source of many of our problems and feel it is something we can no longer ignore, especially when it comes to children. Something needs to be done.
I can't see Biden doing that, or anything else of much consequence, especially when it comes to uniting the country. I predict a Joe Biden presidency will be much like James Buchanan's, ignoring any real problems and allowing them to fester.
Nobody is forced to use social media. Other than LinkedIn (and I have gotten consulting work from contacts there) I don't use any of the others.
If a Biden presidency is the same as James Buchanan it will be a couple of orders of magnitude better than Trump.
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Joe, the press has always been against Republicans and favored liberal ideas. The three broadcast TV stations, ABC, NBC and CBS along with the Washington Post and NY Times, have always been that way. However, years ago before cable, they made some attempt at some balance. Now they've thrown in with CNN and MSNBC and are totally biased. It's why no on respects the press anymore because of fake news.
The Washington Post has an equal number of conservative op-ed columnists as liberal ones. Unfortunately for the Trumpistas most of them are revolted by Trump (George Will, Michael Gerson, and Jenifer Rubin come immediately to mind and even Libertarian Megan McCardle is disgusted).
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That's what my Dad used to say about television. I had to read books like Silas Marner instead.
I see the analogy and certainly understand the critique.
But the severe increase in suicide and attempted suicide amongst teenagers, not to mention increased depression rates, really make social media a different beast. Young kids are in a constant battle to think they need to get likes on everything they do, and when they dont or, worse, when they get twitter mobbed, they lack the maturity to handle it.
Sadly this does stop with just kids.
Just this week a man shot a 6 minute video of him fending off a mountain lion. Sure, it made for a viral video, but at what expense? If he had tripped, because he was distracted from using his phone, that cat could have easily pounced and ripped out his throat, which is how cats kill things. If he bled out and then we saw that 6 minute video, we would have all thought "what a jack ass, he should have put his phone down concentrated on not getting killed." He is no less a jack ass because he survived.
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Yes it is almost concerning as all the trademarks Ivanka Trump suddenly received after her dad was elected President. Nothing fishy about that.
Considering Trump's tariffs, US naval presence in the South China Sea, and other tough measures he's taken, the Chinese sure haven't gained anything from Ivanka's patents. On the other hand, the US NAvy disappeared for three years during the Obama/Biden administration. China used that power vacuum to build those islands there into fortresses securing their claims they own the whole South China Sea. Meanwhile Obama and Biden looked the other way allowing it to happen. What other property will China steal under a Biden administration?
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It is as true as the President's involvement in the Jeffery Epstein death. I happen to believe there is evidence that warrants investigation.
We had less evidence concerning Russia, and we got a 2 year investigation to find out it was a complete hoax by HRC.
So, why not apply that standard here?
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I'm not president nor running for it. I don't have an army of doctors checking and prodding me everyday. If he's afraid, he shouldn't run and stay in the basement. We don't want cowards for president.
Now I'll speak for us.
What we do want is sensible people. People who surround themselves with true experts and listen to them. People who rely on science even when the answers don't suit their agenda.
People who are calculated and not impulsive in their words and actions because they realize there are bigger issues at play than their fragile egos. People who don't unnecessarily put themselves or others at risk to simply try to score political points through phony macho bravado.
This is what we want. I'm hopefully optimistic the election will prove that this is what we want and the next 4 years will prove that was a good choice.
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I see the analogy and certainly understand the critique.
But the severe increase in suicide and attempted suicide amongst teenagers, not to mention increased depression rates, really make social media a different beast. Young kids are in a constant battle to think they need to get likes on everything they do, and when they dont or, worse, when they get twitter mobbed, they lack the maturity to handle it.
But it has gone way beyond just social media as Gamergate has shown. Maybe the whole Internet needs to be shut down.
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The Washington Post has an equal number of conservative op-ed columnists as liberal ones. Unfortunately for the Trumpistas most of them are revolted by Trump (George Will, Michael Gerson, and Jenifer Rubin come immediately to mind and even Libertarian Megan McCardle is disgusted).
Who cares what their opinions are in the Op-Ed section? Their bias is in the news section.
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Nobody is forced to use social media. Other than LinkedIn (and I have gotten consulting work from contacts there) I don't use any of the others.
If a Biden presidency is the same as James Buchanan it will be a couple of orders of magnitude better than Trump.
Really, because I fail to remember any wars in the last 4 years, let alone a civil war.
I mean even Obama had to have his war in Libya, without approval btw.
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We had less evidence concerning Russia, and we got a 2 year investigation to find out it was a complete hoax by HRC.
So, why not apply that standard here?
I think the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee arrived at a different conclusion than you did.
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Who cares what their opinions are in the Op-Ed section? Their bias is in the news section.
Because they are calling out lies? The Washington Post fact check group goes after all of them Democrats and Republicans. the problem you have is that the President has real problems telling the truth.
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But it has gone way beyond just social media as Gamergate has shown. Maybe the whole Internet needs to be shut down.
And maybe, just maybe, you can learn how not to be patronizing and actually take the issue seriously.
Children are killing themselves in much larger numbers. Does that not concern you?
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I think the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee arrived at a different conclusion than you did.
And the recent release of documents shows that HRC created the story to take away attention from her email scandal, and nearly everyone in the White House knew about this. Not to mention the only source was a person whom was known to be a Russian spy.
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I have documentation from a very highly paid doctor to show that my real name has bone spurs; so it's exempt. However, it does retain the neccessary mobility to wander into the alternate universe to observe and comment.
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I see the analogy and certainly understand the critique.
But the severe increase in suicide and attempted suicide amongst teenagers, not to mention increased depression rates, really make social media a different beast. Young kids are in a constant battle to think they need to get likes on everything they do, and when they dont or, worse, when they get twitter mobbed, they lack the maturity to handle it.
Sadly this does stop with just kids.
Just this week a man shot a 6 minute video of him fending off a mountain lion. Sure, it made for a viral video, but at what expense? If he had tripped, because he was distracted from using his phone, that cat could have easily pounced and ripped out his throat, which is how cats kill things. If he bled out and then we saw that 6 minute video, we would have all thought "what a jack ass, he should have put his phone down concentrated on not getting killed." He is no less a jack ass because he survived.
You're right. He took a big chance. But I learned from watching the video that throwing a few big rocks at them will scare away a mountain lion, not that there are too many around here in NJ. But I suppose that will work with dangerous dogs or coyote which are here. The rocks didn;t piss it off but chased it off.
On the other hand, it didn't look like full size yet. Or it could have just been protecting young not looking for prey. So rocks might not work with a large hungry lion that usually stalks in secret and gets you before you can snap a picture. :)
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I have documentation from a very highly paid doctor to show that my real name has bone spurs; so it's exempt. However, it does retain the neccessary mobility to wander into the alternate universe to observe and comment.
;D
If Joe DiMaggio can play baseball with bone spurs, your name should be strong enough to make an appearance from time to time.
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In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.
In the alternate universe, it's naturally important because... reasons.
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In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.
George Eliot and B Traven quickly come to mind.
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In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.
In the alternate universe, it's naturally important because... reasons.
Forum rules?
It does state in the forum rules to use your actual name in your user name.
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Refer to me as Samuel Langhorne if it makes it easier for you to digest what I write.
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The Washington Post has an equal number of conservative op-ed columnists as liberal ones. Unfortunately for the Trumpistas most of them are revolted by Trump (George Will, Michael Gerson, and Jenifer Rubin come immediately to mind and even Libertarian Megan McCardle is disgusted).
Jenifer Ruben! ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
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I was out of pocket most of the day yesterday, so I am trying to catch up. I've been checking my newsfeed and there is nothing about the Hunter Biden story other than the original article in the New York Post and an article saying the CEO of Tweeter apologized for doing whatever he did. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Fox News is covering Trump's speech to seniors in Florida. I figured they would have the whole afternoon blocked off with special coverage and panels of experts. Is the news cycle so short it has already blown over?
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Now I'll speak for us.
What we do want is sensible people. People who surround themselves with true experts and listen to them. People who rely on science even when the answers don't suit their agenda.
People who are calculated and not impulsive in their words and actions because they realize there are bigger issues at play than their fragile egos. People who don't unnecessarily put themselves or others at risk to simply try to score political points through phony macho bravado.
This is what we want. I'm hopefully optimistic the election will prove that this is what we want and the next 4 years will prove that was a good choice.
You are not WE.
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Forum rules?
It does state in the forum rules to use your actual name in your user name.
Rules are only for the little folk Joe, you should know better.
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I was out of pocket most of the day yesterday, so I am trying to catch up. I've been checking my newsfeed and there is nothing about the Hunter Biden story other than the original article in the New York Post and an article saying the CEO of Tweeter apologized for doing whatever he did. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Is the news cycle so short it has already blown over?
They're protecting Biden and going after Trump. All fake news.
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There actually is no forum rule that requires use of a real name or prohibiting pseudonyms. The complaints regarding my name are used to distract, deflect, or diminish by those that don't like what I write. There's always the option to just ignore any information that doesn't fit inside whatever bubble you choose.
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As a last act of desperation, I checked the Infowars website. Sure enough, here is the story that appears to be trending:
Did Hunter Biden’s Laptop Contain Child Porn?
“What we’re in possession of contains 1,000, maybe more, photographs that are highly, highly – anywhere from inappropriate to illegal – and have to be possessed by the Chinese government,” Giuliani said.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/did-hunter-bidens-laptop-contain-pedophilic-content/
Is this what Team Trump is going with? Is this what is supposed to sway the ten percent or so of undecided voters?
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Here's an interesting example of slippery slope, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/trump-tramples-government-boundaries-as-election-nears-429487 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/trump-tramples-government-boundaries-as-election-nears-429487). A series of Presidents using their office to help with politics in ways that they shouldn't, and Trump takes it so much farther.
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There actually is no forum rule that requires use of a real name or prohibiting pseudonyms. The complaints regarding my name are used to distract, deflect, or diminish by those that don't like what I write. There's always the option to just ignore any information that doesn't fit inside whatever bubble you choose.
As someone else said here once, where you stand depends on where you sit.
Not knowing your nationality or at least a general location where you're from, it's hard to discern positions you take. That weakens your position because you may have a hidden ax to grind. So people often discount what you say and ignore them off hand. Would you be revealing much if you said you were American or a southerner or westerner or Canadian or whatever? I doubt if anyone's going to figure out who you really are. It would help make the conversation more interesting and meaningful.
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As a last act of desperation, I checked the Infowars website. Sure enough, here is the story that appears to be trending:
Did Hunter Biden’s Laptop Contain Child Porn?
“What we’re in possession of contains 1,000, maybe more, photographs that are highly, highly – anywhere from inappropriate to illegal – and have to be possessed by the Chinese government,” Giuliani said.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/did-hunter-bidens-laptop-contain-pedophilic-content/
Is this what Team Trump is going with? Is this what is supposed to sway the ten percent or so of undecided voters?
The Democrats spent two years talking about yellow rain and what Trump did sexually in Russia from the phony Clinton dossier on him.
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A BBC summary report about the Hunter Biden thing, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132). It's the first time I've bothered reading any of the detail surrounding what did or did not happen. Doesn't sound like much to me, frankly.
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The Democrats spent two years talking about yellow rain and what Trump did sexually in Russia from the phony Clinton dossier on him.
I don't think that's quite accurate, is it? A few people had some fun with those rumours, but I never thought that they reached the level of serious discussion.
You can't possibly be trying to draw an equivalence between the "Democrats" and Info Wars. That's just nuts. Info Wars is whackier than the National Enquirer ever tried to be.
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Here's an interesting example of slippery slope, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/trump-tramples-government-boundaries-as-election-nears-429487 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/15/trump-tramples-government-boundaries-as-election-nears-429487). A series of Presidents using their office to help with politics in ways that they shouldn't, and Trump takes it so much farther.
Presidents have always taken advantage of their office in re-election campaigns. In NYC, every time we got a new mayor, every public sign in the city is changed to replace the name with the latest mayor all at huge expense. Fortunately, they're not allowed to replace the name engraved in stone on existing buildings themselves like new pharaohs chopping off the faces of old pharaohs.
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A BBC summary report about the Hunter Biden thing, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132). It's the first time I've bothered reading any of the detail surrounding what did or did not happen. Doesn't sound like much to me, frankly.
The Clinton dossier didn't seem like much to me either.
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Presidents have always taken advantage of their office in re-election campaigns. In NYC, every time we got a new mayor, every public sign in the city is changed to replace the name with the latest mayor all at huge expense. Fortunately, they're not allowed to replace the name engraved in stone on existing buildings themselves like new pharaohs chopping off the faces of old pharaohs.
You didn't read the article, did you? Why do you always make comments about articles you don't read.
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The Clinton dossier didn't seem like much to me either.
Was there much to it?
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I don't think that's quite accurate, is it? A few people had some fun with those rumours, but I never thought that they reached the level of serious discussion.
You can't possibly be trying to draw an equivalence between the "Democrats" and Info Wars. That's just nuts. Info Wars is whackier than the National Enquirer ever tried to be.
People took the dossier seriously. After all it was used to get the FISA court to allow spying on a political candidate, led to a two year $30 million dollar investigation of a sitting president plus more than two years of smearing him. Now, suddenly, after all the damage was done, you claim it was all just a big joke.
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Wait, wait. I'm no longer on top of this. "Hunter Biden" left a laptop with a repair service, accepted by a guy who is nearly blind* but was "almost sure" it was Hunter Biden, and "Hunter Biden" apparently forgot about it (even though it was loaded with incriminating evidence that could send him to prison) and never picks it up, so the nearly blind guy happens to know Giuliani, and gives him the computer, and Giuliani, who is cooperating with a Russian spy who wants to re-elect Trump, confers with Steve Bannon, and it turns out the computer not only contains incriminating documents from the Ukraine but also child porn from China? Have I got that straight? If I do, it all sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
*literally -- that's why he isn't absolutely certain it was Hunter Biden, and so can't be accused of perjury.
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As someone else said here once, where you stand depends on where you sit.
Not knowing your nationality or at least a general location where you're from, it's hard to discern positions you take. That weakens your position because you may have a hidden ax to grind. So people often discount what you say and ignore them off hand. Would you be revealing much if you said you were American or a southerner or westerner or Canadian or whatever? I doubt if anyone's going to figure out who you really are. It would help make the conversation more interesting and meaningful.
I don't know. It was kind of fun watching you not just jump, but leap to the conclusion that I "must be a Kurd" when I mentioned the U.S. abandonment of our Kurdish allies in Syria and that didn't require getting any further than the second page of this thread. That bizarre rationalizing, that any real American may not share your view, was useful in discerning where you are coming from—not in terms of your nationality, but your thought process.
Now... just so that I may enhance your ability to discern my point of view, since the language itself seems to be insufficient, I was born and raised in the U.S. and have lived in various parts of the country from rural to urban for the entirety of my life. Don't tell anyone else, it's more fun to keep the other folks like yourself, that are unable to figure it out on their own, guessing. Since you find it "hard to discern" what I write without knowing my nationality, is there other information that you need in order to improve your understanding? Race, religion, gender, anything else you might need to know?
Like I said when you brought it up at the beginning of this thread, I've traveled to other countries and found that opinions vary tremendously on any topic you can name, as do people and their personalities, regardless of where you were born or currently reside. The broad stereotypical assumptions that you've expressed, at various times, regarding the nature and behavior of people in other parts of the world have shed no light on them, so much as it has regarding you.
Trouble is South Koreans go along with firm almost dictatorial government. Americans, even Europeans, wouldn't accept that kind of control.
Facts don't generally have a nationality attached to them any more than opinions do. The propaganda and disinformation that is distributed for consumption, however, often does.
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Wait, wait. I'm no longer on top of this. "Hunter Biden" left a laptop with a repair service, accepted by a guy who is nearly blind* but was "almost sure" it was Hunter Biden, and "Hunter Biden" apparently forgot about it (even though it was loaded with incriminating evidence that could send him to prison) and never picks it up, so the nearly blind guy happens to know Giuliani, and gives him the computer, and Giuliani, who is cooperating with a Russian spy who wants to re-elect Trump, confers with Steve Bannon, and it turns out the computer not only contains incriminating documents from the Ukraine but also child porn from China? Have I got that straight? If I do, it all sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
*literally -- that's why he isn't absolutely certain it was Hunter Biden, and so can't be accused of perjury.
I think the only thing you left out is that Giuliani gave the laptop to the New York Post so they could break the story. You would have thought Bannon would have given it to Breitbart. Or maybe the crew at Fox & Friends. Steve Doucy, for example. I guess I'll have to watch Tucker Carlson tonight for the real scoop. This is way above Sean Hannity's pay grade.
The thing is that even if all of this is true no one will believe it. Well, except for a couple of people. Jiminy Cricket, it's so complicated no one is going to be able to figure who's doing what to whom when, where, and how before the election.
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I will briefly jump in to interrupt your usual bickering to laud the voting process I experienced.
I voted today.
By fax.
And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax." It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
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I will briefly jump in to interrupt your usual bickering to laud the voting process I experienced.
I voted today.
By fax.
And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax." It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
Thanks. That's great to hear.
I congratulate you on voting. Everyone should freely express their opinions by voting.
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I will briefly jump in to interrupt your usual bickering to laud the voting process I experienced.
I voted today.
By fax.
And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax." It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
I guess you don't know about URL redirection. I think the color-blind computer repair guy who had Hunter Biden's laptop has a summary on his website. The thing is the fax machine you faxed your ballot to is in a ditch along with thousands of faxed ballots. Unless of course you voted for Biden, in which case everything is probably okay. I think that is what Trump said. Or maybe it is the other way around. I get confused.
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I voted today. By fax. And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax."
That is what I thought.
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I think the only thing you left out is that Giuliani gave the laptop to the New York Post instead of someone like Bill Barr.
The thing is that even if all of this is true no one will believe it. Well, except for a couple of people.
Good grief guys,
It appears Hunter Biden signed the repair receipt. Or so the repairman said. Rudy never had the laptop and he says he has never met with the repair guy.
The repair guy called the FBI and they came and took a forensic copy of the hard drive. He aslo called some congress critters. He got no responce from them or thje FBI after they took the material. The laptop had become surrendered property and belonged to the repair guy. He had every right to do whatever he wanted to it nad the data it contained. Nothing was hacked (got that Twitter and Facebook) The repair guy stated he attempted to contact Hunter Biden several times.
Later a Grand Jury from Deleware I believe, came and took posession of the laptop. The order was signed by an FBI special agent who had been doing child porn cases.
Then the repair guy who was pissed at the way the impeachement was being handled and the fact that no one was telling him what was happeing with the hard drive data, contacted Rudys attorney and sent a copy of the drive to him. He then gave it to Rudy.
So some are questions why Hunter would send in a laptop with damaging data and not collect it when it was finished. After all it was only a $85 dollar repair. Well Hunter was a raging crack addict. He got thown out of the Navy for drug use, and he famiously left a crack pipe in a returned rental car. He was a druggie and it does not surprise me one bit he forgot what was on that machine or that he even took it in for repair.
So, folks are saying, maybe the data was stolen and planted on this laptop. Ok lets go with this. If that the case, it does not make the data fake. In fact no one from Bidens camp has claimed the emails and other materials are faked. The best they have done, and this one is a complete doozey, is to say that since Facebook and Twitter spiked the story from the Post that proves the story is a false. This one takes the cake.
Now no one is talking. The FBI won't comment. Some congress critters are demanding the FBI tell them if they had this imformation during the Impeachment and kept it quiet. The left media is spinning madly going after the repair guy and Rudy but no one seems to be doing any actually investigative journalism to check out Biden.
So is the story true? I don't know, but the left wants to bury it, that much is certian.
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As a last act of desperation, I checked the Infowars website. Sure enough, here is the story that appears to be trending:
Did Hunter Biden’s Laptop Contain Child Porn?
“What we’re in possession of contains 1,000, maybe more, photographs that are highly, highly – anywhere from inappropriate to illegal – and have to be possessed by the Chinese government,” Giuliani said.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/did-hunter-bidens-laptop-contain-pedophilic-content/
Is this what Team Trump is going with? Is this what is supposed to sway the ten percent or so of undecided voters?
The fact that Giuliani is involved with this is the one thing that really gives me pause. He's the right's version of Adam Schiff.
But anyway, the pollster that called the election last year is predicting Trump will win this year. His take is that he will win all of the typical red states, and then he just needs either PA, MI or WI, just one. He stated MI will more then likely vote for Trump; I give PA a 60% chance of voting for Trump as well.
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There actually is no forum rule that requires use of a real name or prohibiting pseudonyms. The complaints regarding my name are used to distract, deflect, or diminish by those that don't like what I write. There's always the option to just ignore any information that doesn't fit inside whatever bubble you choose.
It has been pointed out more then just a few people in the past that forum rules do in fact ask for you to use your real name. I know of two different users (not in the coffee corner) who changed their forum name due to this rule.
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Jenifer Ruben! ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
That one made me laugh too.
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It has been pointed out more then just a few people in the past that forum rules do in fact ask for you to use your real name. I know of two different users (not in the coffee corner) who changed their forum name due to this rule.
Since you couldn't look for yourself, I did it for you.
"You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you use your real First & Last name as your on-screen or user name. Forum users who hide behind anonymous or false on-screen names and who make inflammatory posts or ad hominem attacks will be banned. Members using pseudonyms will receive stricter treatment than those using their own name."
Someone can advise you to learn the difference between the words "then" and "than", but it isn't a rule in order to post here.
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Wait, wait. I'm no longer on top of this. "Hunter Biden" left a laptop with a repair service, accepted by a guy who is nearly blind* but was "almost sure" it was Hunter Biden, and "Hunter Biden" apparently forgot about it (even though it was loaded with incriminating evidence that could send him to prison) and never picks it up, so the nearly blind guy happens to know Giuliani, and gives him the computer, and Giuliani, who is cooperating with a Russian spy who wants to re-elect Trump, confers with Steve Bannon, and it turns out the computer not only contains incriminating documents from the Ukraine but also child porn from China? Have I got that straight? If I do, it all sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
*literally -- that's why he isn't absolutely certain it was Hunter Biden, and so can't be accused of perjury.
Sounds almost as bad as Russian spies who gave British spy Steele "evidence" that went into Hillary dossier that made Trump look like he had weird sex in Russia and that dossier was used to get a FISA warrant and all that other Mueller stuff. Must be the same spy. Interesting how these things happen and who believes what.
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Good grief guys,
It appears Hunter Biden signed the repair receipt. Or so the repairman said. Rudy never had the laptop and he says he has never met with the repair guy.
The repair guy called the FBI and they came and took a forensic copy of the hard drive. He aslo called some congress critters. He got no responce from them or thje FBI after they took the material. The laptop had become surrendered property and belonged to the repair guy. He had every right to do whatever he wanted to it nad the data it contained. Nothing was hacked (got that Twitter and Facebook) The repair guy stated he attempted to contact Hunter Biden several times.
Later a Grand Jury from Deleware I believe, came and took posession of the laptop. The order was signed by an FBI special agent who had been doing child porn cases.
Then the repair guy who was pissed at the way the impeachement was being handled and the fact that no one was telling him what was happeing with the hard drive data, contacted Rudys attorney and sent a copy of the drive to him. He then gave it to Rudy.
So some are questions why Hunter would send in a laptop with damaging data and not collect it when it was finished. After all it was only a $85 dollar repair. Well Hunter was a raging crack addict. He got thown out of the Navy for drug use, and he famiously left a crack pipe in a returned rental car. He was a druggie and it does not surprise me one bit he forgot what was on that machine or that he even took it in for repair.
So, folks are saying, maybe the data was stolen and planted on this laptop. Ok lets go with this. If that the case, it does not make the data fake. In fact no one from Bidens camp has claimed the emails and other materials are faked. The best they have done, and this one is a complete doozey, is to say that since Facebook and Twitter spiked the story from the Post that proves the story is a false. This one takes the cake.
Now no one is talking. The FBI won't comment. Some congress critters are demanding the FBI tell them if they had this imformation during the Impeachment and kept it quiet. The left media is spinning madly going after the repair guy and Rudy but no one seems to be doing any actually investigative journalism to check out Biden.
So is the story true? I don't know, but the left wants to bury it, that much is certian.
So it's even more byzantine than I thought. Crikey.
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"You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you use your real First & Last name as your on-screen or user name. Forum users who hide behind anonymous or false on-screen names and who make inflammatory posts or ad hominem attacks will be banned. Members using pseudonyms will receive stricter treatment than those using their own name."
Someone can advise you to learn the difference between the words "then" and "than", but it isn't a rule.
So how do they know if you are using your real name, and not a pseudonym, like Clark Kent? I mean I thought that Joe used the name JoeKitchen because he likes to cook.
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Since you couldn't look for yourself, I did it for you.
"You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you use your real First & Last name as your on-screen or user name. Forum users who hide behind anonymous or false on-screen names and who make inflammatory posts or ad hominem attacks will be banned. Members using pseudonyms will receive stricter treatment than those using their own name."
Someone can advise you to learn the difference between the words "then" and "than", but it isn't a rule in order to post here.
Well well well ...
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I don't know. It was kind of fun watching you not just jump, but leap to the conclusion that I "must be a Kurd" when I mentioned the U.S. abandonment of our Kurdish allies in Syria and that didn't require getting any further than the second page of this thread. That bizarre rationalizing, that any real American may not share your view, was useful in discerning where you are coming from—not in terms of your nationality, but your thought process.
Now... just so that I may enhance your ability to discern my point of view, since the language itself seems to be insufficient, I was born and raised in the U.S. and have lived in various parts of the country from rural to urban for the entirety of my life. Don't tell anyone else, it's more fun to keep the other folks like yourself, that are unable to figure it out on their own, guessing. Since you find it "hard to discern" what I write without knowing my nationality, is there other information that you need in order to improve your understanding? Race, religion, gender, anything else you might need to know?
Like I said when you brought it up at the beginning of this thread, I've traveled to other countries and found that opinions vary tremendously on any topic you can name, as do people and their personalities, regardless of where you were born or currently reside. The broad stereotypical assumptions that you've expressed, at various times, regarding the nature and behavior of people in other parts of the world have shed no light on them, so much as it has regarding you.
Facts don't generally have a nationality attached to them any more than opinions do. The propaganda and disinformation that is distributed for consumption, however, often does.
Why not just add American to your profile? I wouldn't want to think you're a Kurd again. It would make it so much easier for everyone. It's not only about politics. If you're talking about film availability lets say, a European reading your post would know immediately that you're most likely referring to film in the USA not on the continent. So it helps on just regular discussions about photography as well. Also, I think we'd have better discussion about everything. It's hard to be mean against someone you know better even in the Coffee Corner.
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I think the only thing you left out is that Giuliani gave the laptop to the New York Post so they could break the story. You would have thought Bannon would have given it to Breitbart. Or maybe the crew at Fox & Friends. Steve Doucy, for example. I guess I'll have to watch Tucker Carlson tonight for the real scoop. This is way above Sean Hannity's pay grade.
The thing is that even if all of this is true no one will believe it. Well, except for a couple of people. Jiminy Cricket, it's so complicated no one is going to be able to figure who's doing what to whom when, where, and how before the election.
The president could pardon him.
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So how do they know if you are using your real name, and not a pseudonym, like Clark Kent? I mean I thought that Joe used the name JoeKitchen because he likes to cook.
It's really not important. It seems that some find nationality neccessary to judge what someone says and others find courage and credibility in a name.
Christopher Steele didn't hide his nationality or name from his raw intelligence reports, so perhaps that will make the reports more courageous and credible and easier to discern.
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I will briefly jump in to interrupt your usual bickering to laud the voting process I experienced.
I voted today.
By fax.
And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax." It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
I wasn't going to tell you Slobodan, but your ballot printed out on my fax machine. In New Jersey.
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So how do they know if you are using your real name, and not a pseudonym, like Clark Kent? I mean I thought that Joe used the name JoeKitchen because he likes to cook.
Dude, every body thinks this, and I do, but seriously, it gets old.
Then there are the potential clients who think I just shoot kitchens even though I have plenty of non-kitchen images in my portfolio that I have sent them.
And the people who just have a real issue with my last name being Kitchen, so they spell it Kitchens instead. Somehow pluralizing it makes it easier to handle, but then I never get their email.
And the people who insist my name must be German, even though it is a common English word, and then argue with me over whether or not it is English. Lately I have just been telling people it is Anglo-Saxon, which gets a node and "makes sense" even though it is obvious that went right over their head.
Although the best, and this is a problem on my part, is when I send out email with the "K" in kitchen capitalized and I am called out on it. I need to actually think and force myself to not spell Kitchen with a capital K.
Still better then Faggonbutts, my gold standard for worst last names. ;) Just for you TT!
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Why not just add American to your profile?
Done. Just for you. Now you'll finally be able to understand me!
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Well well well ...
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Done. Just for you. Now you'll finally be able to understand me!
Are you a salted pork kind of guy or more into beef jerky?
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Salted pork. But to be more revealing, we called it salt pork in my family. Hog jowl is great too.
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Dude, every body thinks this, and I do, but seriously, it gets old.
Then there are the potential clients who think I just shoot kitchens even though I have plenty of non-kitchen images in my portfolio that I have sent them.
And the people who just have a real issue with my last name being Kitchen, so they spell it Kitchens instead. Somehow pluralizing it makes it easier to handle, but then I never get their email.
And the people who insist my name must be German, even though it is a common English word, and then argue with me over whether or not it is English. Lately I have just been telling people it is Anglo-Saxon, which gets a node and "makes sense" even though it is obvious that went right over their head.
Although the best, and this is a problem on my part, is when I send out email with the "K" in kitchen capitalized and I am called out on it. I need to actually think and force myself to not spell Kitchen with a capital K.
Still better then Faggonbutts, my gold standard for worst last names. ;) Just for you TT!
Why not use K capitalized in your email? It makes no difference and people better see who they are communicating with. JoeKitchen@.... is perfectly acceptable.
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It's really not important. It seems that some find nationality neccessary to judge what someone says and others find courage and credibility in a name.
Christopher Steele didn't hide his nationality or name from his raw intelligence reports, so perhaps that will make the reports more courageous and credible and easier to discern.
When you think about it, you could change your nationality in your profile every once in a while. I'm feeling French this week. Look, I'm wearing a beret. Incroyable!
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Done. Just for you. Now you'll finally be able to understand me!
Great. Welcome to America. :)
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When you think about it, you could change your nationality in your profile every once in a while. I'm feeling French this week. Look, I'm wearing a beret. Incroyable!
Sorry, Frank Berryman doesn't sound French. :)
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Why not use K capitalized in your email? It makes no difference and people better see who they are communicating with. JoeKitchen@.... is perfectly acceptable.
No, no, no. Like when I am writing about an actual kitchen, I will, without thinking about it, capitalize the K. 99% of the time I spell kitchen with a capital K, so doing so when I am writing about a kitchen is hard to avoid without thinking about it.
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Sorry, Frank Berryman doesn't sound French. :)
My first name is Francois. I just go by Frank when I am interacting in English.
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Salted pork. But to be more revealing, we called it salt pork in my family. Hog jowl is great too.
This certainly narrows it down. For BBQ, I also assume you feel pork is king over beef?
Do you also enjoy crackling?
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My first name is Francois. I just go by Frank when I am interacting in English.
D'accord, désolé.
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This certainly narrows it down. For BBQ, I also assume you feel pork is king over beef?
Do you also enjoy crackling?
Don't assume too quickly now. I'm equally happy with pork or beef. How well it's prepared is the important thing. And I like a variety of different sauce types or no sauce at all. I like variety.
Is there someone that doesn't like crackling?
And I'm just as happy with a big pot of ribs and kraut as I am with BBQ.
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I voted today. . . . It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
While you were nonchalantly checking the status of your Florida ballot from Belgrade, here in a small Maryland city I'm still waiting for some indication our county board of elections has received the ballots my wife and I downloaded, printed, filled in by hand, and dropped in a postal box a week ago. The state's election website reports sending links to the downloadable ballot PDFs to us, but is otherwise uncommunicative.
Unlike Florida, which, despite its notorious problems during the federal election 20 years ago, has developed an efficient procedure for processing ballots without requiring a voter to make an appearance at a physical polling place, Maryland is struggling with a unique, and bizarre, workflow (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-web-ballots-hand-copied/2020/09/23/73221310-f2bd-11ea-999c-67ff7bf6a9d2_story.html):
The Web-delivered ballots offer front-end expediency for voters, who can follow a link in their email, enter credentials on a website and download a ballot packet to print at home on regular paper.
But on the back end, that plain paper becomes a first draft, and every voter’s choices must be transcribed onto oversize cardstock that can be scanned.
For transparency’s sake, the transcription is done by a pair of judges — one a Republican, the other a Democrat. One judge reads the ballot choices aloud, and the other marks them down on the ballot. Then the judges switch jobs to check each other’s work.
The process takes about five minutes per ballot, election officials said. As of Thursday, that added up to more than 9,000 hours of work just to get the ballots ready to be scanned.
Organizations based in Maryland were instrumental in the creation of what is now the worldwide public Internet, but apparently our state government hasn't quite got the hang of it yet.
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Don't assume too quickly now. I'm equally happy with pork or beef [...] And I'm just as happy with a big pot of ribs and kraut as I am with BBQ.
So one can safely conclude that (a) you’re neither vegetarian nor vegan and (b) you and Alan Klein have something in common.
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So one can safely conclude that (a) you’re neither vegetarian nor vegan and (b) you and Alan Klein have something in common.
We all have something in common. Even if it's just our common humanity and need to eat.
Food is a great way for people to find common ground. Once in awhile, you try a new food that you didn't think you'd like and discover that it's delicious. Occasionally, you share a meal with someone that hasn't made a good first impression; and over food and drink and conversation, you find that they're pretty decent and likable even if there are things on which you disagree.
And I do enjoy a huge variety of regional and international cuisine. There aren't too many exceptions, but a few.
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I'm not president nor running for it. I don't have an army of doctors checking and prodding me everyday. If he's afraid, he shouldn't run and stay in the basement. We don't want cowards for president.
Actually, sometimes is a good strategy to start slow and add steam in the middle of the race. Seems to be working for Joe.
If I could only give one tip to an athlete looking to make their daily run more enjoyable and productive, it’d be simple: start slower.
Make your first mile your slowest mile. Get passed by someone speed-walking to catch the bus. Slither around like you are playing a game of Charades and get “bipedal snail.” However you think about it, that slow start can help improve mental and physical health long-term.
https://trailrunnermag.com/training/the-importance-of-starting-slow.html
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Now combining food and politics...
How NOT to win the farm vote in Iowa
In the Iowa U.S. Senate Debate, Joni Ernst displayed a perfect example of how not to win over Iowa farmers. Agriculture is huge in Iowa beyond just the growers. There's also the transportation, storage, and brokerage businesses and the economy supported by all of those businesses and farmers.
In the debate this week, the candidates were asked about ag prices. Theresa Greenfield knocked it out of the park with her answer. Joni Ernst gave a typical evasive debate non-answer and was then pressed on it by the reporter in a gentle Midwestern manner.
Here's a brief clip (2-1/2 minutes) that perfectly illustrates a great debate answer and a lousy one...
https://youtube/Ernst, Greenfield on Agriculture (https://youtu.be/HOysKP-L2yI?t=158)
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Now combining food and politics...
Here's a brief clip (2-1/2 minutes) that perfectly illustrates a great debate answer and a lousy one...
https://youtube/Ernst, Greenfield on Agriculture (https://youtu.be/HOysKP-L2yI?t=158)
Hilarious! As some here might opine: "ROFLMAO!" She's obviously learned the dark arts well. How do these idiots ever get elected?
Humour aside, I find this type of political bullshit absolutely infuriating. Kudos to the interviewers for even attempting to hold her feet to the fire.
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While you were nonchalantly checking the status of your Florida ballot from Belgrade, here in a small Maryland city I'm still waiting for some indication our county board of elections has received the ballots my wife and I downloaded, printed, filled in by hand, and dropped in a postal box a week ago. The state's election website reports sending links to the downloadable ballot PDFs to us, but is otherwise uncommunicative.
Unlike Florida, which, despite its notorious problems during the federal election 20 years ago, has developed an efficient procedure for processing ballots without requiring a voter to make an appearance at a physical polling place, Maryland is struggling with a unique, and bizarre, workflow (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/maryland-web-ballots-hand-copied/2020/09/23/73221310-f2bd-11ea-999c-67ff7bf6a9d2_story.html):
Organizations based in Maryland were instrumental in the creation of what is now the worldwide public Internet, but apparently our state government hasn't quite got the hang of it yet.
Are they using purple ink? :)
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So one can safely conclude that (a) you’re neither vegetarian nor vegan and (b) you and Alan Klein have something in common.
Yes. We're both Americans. :)
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Jenifer Ruben! ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
It might help if you spelled her name correctly. Just because a Republican switches allegiance does not mean they have forsaken their conservative credentials. The only two who are constantly cheering on the President from the pages of the WaPo are Hugh Hewitt and Marc Thiessen.
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I will briefly jump in to interrupt your usual bickering to laud the voting process I experienced.
I voted today.
By fax.
And no, my vote won't count in the 1992 election, if that is what you thought at the mention of the word "fax." It was an online service. It cost me a whopping $0.98, because the ballot is five pages long, and free service stops at three pages. On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted. Did I mention that I requested the ballot online and got access to it online too? I am truly in awe of how efficient the whole process is.
Maryland also has this but they cannot count the electronic ballots by machine. The votes have to be reentered. My wife and I applied for our ballots online and received them three weeks ago. We will be depositing them in the collection box this Monday. Maryland is counting ballots as they come in so results should be available on election night.
BTW - glad you voted and I hope everyone, regardless of political persuasion does as well!!!!
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Nothing to see here, no mail-in ballot issues, ....
370K Pennsylvania mail-in ballot applications rejected: Report (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-applications-rejected)
I really think Trump is going to win on a technicality due to so many Dems voting by mail, encouraged by Dem politicians for months, and having their ballots rejected due to frivolous reasons that only mail-in ballots would entail.
If this happens, I will be enjoying the schadenfreude this brings, especially after weeks of Republicans warning about this.
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It might help if you spelled her name correctly. Just because a Republican switches allegiance does not mean they have forsaken their conservative credentials. The only two who are constantly cheering on the President from the pages of the WaPo are Hugh Hewitt and Marc Thiessen.
But Trump isn't a conservative. He prints and spends like a socialist. We just had the highest deficit ever. While he's built up the military, he's been shy about getting America into foreign adventures and wars. So-called Republican and Democrat conservatives are more Neocons who got us in Vietnam and Iraq, two wars he opposed. He's actually a social liberal, having lived and worked in liberal NYC all his life. He is a populist which is why so many regular people like him. Republican insiders hate him almost as much as Democrats because he's opposed to insiders and the way things are done in Washington. It drives them crazy he beat Bush and all the other regular Republicans in the presidential nomination process. I think they were more surprised and upset than Democrats when he beat Hillary.
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But Trump isn't a conservative. He prints and spends like a socialist. We just had the highest deficit ever.
Maybe he's a commie "libtard". Why do you support him then? :)
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Let's raise Ike from the dead. He was a decent and thoughtful Republican. I like Ike. Of course, the lunatic fringe inside and outside the party called him a traitor and a commie. Now they are the party.
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Maybe he's a commie "libtard". Why do you support him then? :)
Biden and the Democrats are worse. Both will break the bank and put us all into the poor house.
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It might help if you spelled her name correctly. Just because a Republican switches allegiance does not mean they have forsaken their conservative credentials. The only two who are constantly cheering on the President from the pages of the WaPo are Hugh Hewitt and Marc Thiessen.
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Biden and the Democrats are worse. Both will break the bank and put us all into the poor house.
Don't worry Alan. If Biden wins and you end up hungry, I'll buy buy you a Reuben or whatever sandwich you might prefer.
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Following on from reports that the UK Prime Minister has been advised to distance himself from Trump (#2172). here’s the latest from the UK Conservative right wing press (a sentiment replicated throughout most major european publications):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50496732901_6a0a7b93ee_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jWdXpT)
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In the recent televised one-on-one, Trump, questioned on QAnon, claimed to know nothing about them other than they were opposed to paedophilia. An “I know nothing” repeated several times. Yet the FBI have categorises them as a ‘Domestic Terror Threat’.
So what should the world conclude, that POTUS is oblivious to the reports of his security services or that he simply ignores them if they happen to impinge on his cult-base of die-hard support ?
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... On the same day, i received a confirmation from the Broward County Supervisor of Elections (Florida) that my vote has been received. I can even go online now and see when it is actually counted...
And only a day later, that confirmation has also come:
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Great write up by Jonathan Turley on the Biden email scandal.
Jonathan Turley: Hunter Biden's laptop and the Facebook, Twitter censorship scandal – watch these 3 things (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hunter-biden-computer-facebook-trump-censorship-scandal-jonathan-turley)
Essentially if the store was fabricated, you would expect three things to happen within hours of it breaking.
1. A denial that that computer was Hunter Biden's. You have to assume as soon as the story broke, Hunter was contacted and asked if this was his computer. If he said no, we would have heard about it the day of, but have not.
2. Even if the computer was Hunter's, it could be that the emails and photos were fabricated, and if so, that would be a crime. Again, nothing; no denial that any of the emails were fabricated.
3. The Biden teams has many lawyers under the campaign belt, and if this story was not authentic, it would be defamation and you would expect to see "intent to sue" letters going out. Crickets it is.
And now ... it appears that Fox News has verified the authenticity of the emails from someone on one of the email chains. He also confirmed that "The Big Guy" refers to Joe Biden in the email about "H" holding onto "10 for the Big Guy."
Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies)
So, it is looking like Biden used his influence to both enrich his son and himself, through his son. This is serious and a violation of the law. This shows me that Biden is unfit for the presidency.
Trump certainly has many personal foibles, but there is no evidence he has ever done anything corrupt. It is now obvious Biden is corrupt.
PS, for as much as some on here talk about how smart Biden is, he sure does like using talking points for morons, such as cops shooting people in the legs. My God, and you try to convince us this guy really is intelligent. No, Joe Biden, Cops Can't Just Shoot People in the Leg (https://reason.com/2020/10/15/joe-biden-townhall-cops-shoot-in-the-leg/)
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A little off the horse race, but dealing with Politics, a 48% plurality of voters support ACB's confirmation with 44% plurality feeling she should be confirmed before the election.
Support for Barrett nomination ticks up to 48 percent: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/520944-support-for-barrett-nomination-ticks-up-to-48-percent-poll)
Only 31% disapprove of her altogether with 36% feeling the vote should wait until after the election.
This, combined with Hunter's email scandal the Media censoring content, makes me feel there is a paradigm shift going on in the country away from leftism. Who knows if the momentum is there for this to take hold by the election, but leftism is dead.
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Nothing in my newsfeed this morning about Hunter’s laptop except that Joe Biden said it was a smear campaign and he had no response. The Infowars website server was down so I couldn’t check the status of the child porn photos story. I guess things are kind of slow on the weekend.
Edit: There is a new story in the New York Post about some text messages between Hunter and Joe when Hunter was in rehab that the color-blind computer guy scavenged off the hard drive. Not sure they help Trump, but I may be missing something obvious.
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Essentially if the store was fabricated, you would expect three things to happen within hours of it breaking.
I’d expect none of the three things listed.
And now ... it appears that Fox News has verified the authenticity of the emails from someone on one of the email chains...
I’ll hand it to you Joe, your sense of humour brightens even the darkest moments.
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He's actually a social liberal, having lived and worked in liberal NYC all his life.
Why doesn't he support abortion rights? I don't know of any social liberal who doesn't.
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Ah, my bad. But thanks for being a forum spelling nazi. Much appreciated.
You could have picked another less offensive term! >:(
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I’d expect none of the three things listed.
I’ll hand it to you Joe, your sense of humour brightens even the darkest moments.
That's right, you can only use News sources you like to verify stories, lol.
Do you pre-dig the holes to bury your head in, or is it a more in the moment thing?
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Nothing in my newsfeed this morning about Hunter’s laptop except that Joe Biden said it was a smear campaign and he had no response. The Infowars website server was down so I couldn’t check the status of the child porn photos story. I guess things are kind of slow on the weekend.
Edit: There is a new story in the New York Post about some text messages between Hunter and Joe when Hunter was in rehab that the blind computer guy scavenged off the hard drive. Not sure they help Trump, but I may be missing something obvious.
It's not called fake news for no reason.
It is beyond the obvious at this point, many news outlets are suppressing anything damaging to the Dems. CNN did not cover any of the SCOTUS hearings this week. Does that mean they did not happen?
If you only pay attention to News outlets on the left, you'll miss a lot of things, and vis versa. Another, peace in the Middle East, barely covered by any mainstream outlets. I guess that did not happen either.
My favorite part about the Biden story is that the Biden Campaign told Twitter and FB it was just a smear campaign, so FB and Twitter blocked the story. The mainstream News organizations that used that as a reason to discredit the story (no actual journalism here), which the Biden campaigned used as proof that is was not a true story.
Loving the circular reasoning on this one.
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You could have picked another less offensive term! >:(
Its just a common phrase on internet forums. I didn't make it up.
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It's not called fake news for no reason.
It is beyond the obvious at this point, many news outlets are suppressing anything damaging to the Dems. CNN did not cover any of the SCOTUS hearings this week. Does that mean they did not happen?
I’ll check the Infowars website again later to see if the server’s back up.
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I’ll check the Infowars website again later to see if the server’s back up.
Infowars? I have never heard of Infowars until just now.
Exactly what is Infowars and what issues do you have with them?
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It's not called fake news for no reason.
It is beyond the obvious at this point, many news outlets are suppressing anything damaging to the Dems. CNN did not cover any of the SCOTUS hearings this week. Does that mean they did not happen?
If you only pay attention to News outlets on the left, you'll miss a lot of things, and vis versa. Another, peace in the Middle East, barely covered by any mainstream outlets. I guess that did not happen either.
My favorite part about the Biden story is that the Biden Campaign told Twitter and FB it was just a smear campaign, so FB and Twitter blocked the story. The mainstream News organizations that used that as a reason to discredit the story (no actual journalism here), which the Biden campaigned used as proof that is was not a true story.
Loving the circular reasoning on this one.
The left media is in complete cover their butt and candidate mode. They can't report on this story honestly. They have invested four years and untold dollars to working to oust Trump. It has been an utter failure for them. Now with their final gambit in play, they can't let their work be undone in the final hours. Truth be damned. No matter that it sure looks like Joe is a crook, he's their crook. The Chinese own Biden and that is not a good thing for America. I don't care if you hate Trump with a passion, this story should give any reasonable American the willies.
From a friend of the computer repair guy.
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/10/yes-the-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic-by-larry-c-johnson.html
Yes, The Hunter Biden Emails Are Authentic by Larry C Johnson
A couple of select passages. Read the whole thing, its quite interesting.
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This story is very simple–Hunter Biden dropped off three computers with liquid damage at a repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware on April 12, 2019. The owner, John Mac Issac, examined the three and determined that one was beyond recovery, one was okay and the data on the harddrive of the third could be recoverd. Hunter signed the service ticket and John Paul Mac Issac repaired the hard drive and down loaded the data. During this process he saw some disturbing images and a number of emails that concerned Ukraine, Burisma, China and other issues. With the work completed, Mr. Mac Issac prepared an invoice, sent it to Hunter Biden and notified him that the computer was ready to be retrieved. Hunter did not respond. In the ensuing four months (May, June, July and August), Mr. Mac Issac made repeated efforts to contact Hunter Biden. Biden never answered and never responded. More importantly, Biden stiffed John Paul Mac Issac–i.e., he did not pay the bill.
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John Paul Mac Issac is not responsible for the emails, images and videos recovered from Hunter Biden’s computer. He was hired to do a job, he did the job and submitted an invoice for the work. Hunter Biden, for some unexplained reason, never responded and never asked for the computer. But that changed last Tuesday, October 13, 2020. A person claiming to be Hunter Biden’s lawyer called John Paul Mac Issac and asked for the computer to be returned. Too late. That horse had left the barn and was with the FBI.
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Infowars? I have never heard of Infowars until just now.
Exactly what is Infowars and what issues do you have with them?
Infowars is the website that had the story quoting Giuliani as saying there was a bunch of child porn on Hunter's laptop. It is right-leaning. I don't usually read it, but when I couldn't find any stories about Hunter's laptop anywhere else, I went there.
About CNN, I don't watch it so I don't know whether they covered the Judiciary Committee hearings or not. Seems like there was plenty of coverage on TV, print media, and the web. No question in my mind the hearings occurred. Unless they faked them like the moon landing. I guess that's possible.
But you're right. Just because there was no story in the media about an explorer finding an entire Sasquatch village in the Yukon last week doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I can't keep up with all the stories the media does report, much less all the stories they don't report. There is a lot of uncertainty in life. Knowing that, I try to remain calm and go about my business as best I can.
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Don't worry Alan. If Biden wins and you end up hungry, I'll buy buy you a Reuben or whatever sandwich you might prefer.
Thanks. I hope you'll be able to afford it. :)
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And only a day later, that confirmation has also come:
Then way they counted chads in Florida, they probably credited your vote for the other guy.
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Great write up by Jonathan Turley on the Biden email scandal.
Jonathan Turley: Hunter Biden's laptop and the Facebook, Twitter censorship scandal – watch these 3 things (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hunter-biden-computer-facebook-trump-censorship-scandal-jonathan-turley)
Essentially if the store was fabricated, you would expect three things to happen within hours of it breaking.
1. A denial that that computer was Hunter Biden's. You have to assume as soon as the story broke, Hunter was contacted and asked if this was his computer. If he said no, we would have heard about it the day of, but have not.
2. Even if the computer was Hunter's, it could be that the emails and photos were fabricated, and if so, that would be a crime. Again, nothing; no denial that any of the emails were fabricated.
3. The Biden teams has many lawyers under the campaign belt, and if this story was not authentic, it would be defamation and you would expect to see "intent to sue" letters going out. Crickets it is.
And now ... it appears that Fox News has verified the authenticity of the emails from someone on one of the email chains. He also confirmed that "The Big Guy" refers to Joe Biden in the email about "H" holding onto "10 for the Big Guy."
Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies)
So, it is looking like Biden used his influence to both enrich his son and himself, through his son. This is serious and a violation of the law. This shows me that Biden is unfit for the presidency.
Trump certainly has many personal foibles, but there is no evidence he has ever done anything corrupt. It is now obvious Biden is corrupt.
PS, for as much as some on here talk about how smart Biden is, he sure does like using talking points for morons, such as cops shooting people in the legs. My God, and you try to convince us this guy really is intelligent. No, Joe Biden, Cops Can't Just Shoot People in the Leg (https://reason.com/2020/10/15/joe-biden-townhall-cops-shoot-in-the-leg/)
Considering Hunter's drug and drinking problems, he may have no recollection of any of it. So they don't know what to say afraid they'll get caught in a lie. Meanwhile the anti-Trump press hasn't said much considering all they had to say about the Russians and Trump for four years. They'll keep protecting Biden.
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Infowars? I have never heard of Infowars until just now.
Exactly what is Infowars and what issues do you have with them?
Surely you are joking.
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The left media is in complete cover their butt and candidate mode. They can't report on this story honestly. They have invested four years and untold dollars to working to oust Trump. It has been an utter failure for them. Now with their final gambit in play, they can't let their work be undone in the final hours. Truth be damned. No matter that it sure looks like Joe is a crook, he's their crook. The Chinese own Biden and that is not a good thing for America. I don't care if you hate Trump with a passion, this story should give any reasonable American the willies.
According to QAnon, this is just another massive cover up by the Deep State. I am Q and I vouch for the veracity of this statement.
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From a friend of the computer repair guy.
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/10/yes-the-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic-by-larry-c-johnson.html
So as I read that account, the FBI has had the computer since sometime in late November or early December, 2019. Is there a coverup or something?
It seems to me like the story would have broken someplace other than the tabloids. I mean I read my share of stuff in the tabloids when I am waiting in line at the grocery store checkout. I think most of it is a bit far-fetched, but it is a fun way to spend a few minutes when you are trapped between grocery carts.
Of course the other thing is Giuliani is involved. He's whackadoodle.
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Why doesn't he support abortion rights? I don't know of any social liberal who doesn't.
Not everyone thinks alike on all subjects. I believe his position is abortion OK for health of woman, rape and incest. But honestly, I don't think he cares at all about it. Roe vs Wade will never be overturned. Rules will be implemented at the margins. Frankly, this shouldn't have been a national issue as it isn't a US constitutional issue. It should have been left up to the states the way it was. Most states today would not make it illegal. I believe he's not against gay marriage and some LGBTQ rights although again, these are not US constitutional issues although the courts have made it so.
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Surely you are joking.
Well, it possible. For example, the only thing Trump knows about QAnon is that they like him and are against pedophilia. I don't remember what Pence knows about QAnon. He has given a couple of different answers when asked. In truth, I don't think his wife will let him read anything about it.
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That's right, you can only use News sources you like to verify stories, lol. Do you pre-dig the holes to bury your head in, or is it a more in the moment thing?
Well, unless the AP are a bunch of left wing commie extremists, they are but one of many :
AP - The FBI is investigating whether emails that were published this week by the New York Post related to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, and his purported dealings in Ukraine are connected to a possible Russian influence operation in an effort to spread disinformation ahead of the 2020 presidential election. The New York Post report is being investigated by the FBI as a possible Russian influence operation. The authenticity of the emails remained unclear as of Friday.
In August, U.S. intelligence officials said that its believed Russia is using a variety of measures to denigrate Biden ahead of the 2020 election, and that individuals linked to the Kremlin are boosting Trump's reelection bid. A fifth and final report from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation also concluded that the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat.
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The left media is in complete cover their butt and candidate mode. They can't report on this story honestly. They have invested four years and untold dollars to working to oust Trump. It has been an utter failure for them. Now with their final gambit in play, they can't let their work be undone in the final hours. Truth be damned. No matter that it sure looks like Joe is a crook, he's their crook. The Chinese own Biden and that is not a good thing for America. I don't care if you hate Trump with a passion, this story should give any reasonable American the willies.
From a friend of the computer repair guy.
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/10/yes-the-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic-by-larry-c-johnson.html
Yes, The Hunter Biden Emails Are Authentic by Larry C Johnson
A couple of select passages. Read the whole thing, its quite interesting.
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This story is very simple–Hunter Biden dropped off three computers with liquid damage at a repair shop in Wilmington, Delaware on April 12, 2019. The owner, John Mac Issac, examined the three and determined that one was beyond recovery, one was okay and the data on the harddrive of the third could be recoverd. Hunter signed the service ticket and John Paul Mac Issac repaired the hard drive and down loaded the data. During this process he saw some disturbing images and a number of emails that concerned Ukraine, Burisma, China and other issues. With the work completed, Mr. Mac Issac prepared an invoice, sent it to Hunter Biden and notified him that the computer was ready to be retrieved. Hunter did not respond. In the ensuing four months (May, June, July and August), Mr. Mac Issac made repeated efforts to contact Hunter Biden. Biden never answered and never responded. More importantly, Biden stiffed John Paul Mac Issac–i.e., he did not pay the bill.
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John Paul Mac Issac is not responsible for the emails, images and videos recovered from Hunter Biden’s computer. He was hired to do a job, he did the job and submitted an invoice for the work. Hunter Biden, for some unexplained reason, never responded and never asked for the computer. But that changed last Tuesday, October 13, 2020. A person claiming to be Hunter Biden’s lawyer called John Paul Mac Issac and asked for the computer to be returned. Too late. That horse had left the barn and was with the FBI.
So the left and anti-Trump crowd destroyed our security with Russia with the false Trump collusion claims and now destroyed our security and commercial interests with China with VP payoffs. The first with Obama's Secretary of State's phony dossier. And now with fraudulent business deals with his VP. What a fiasco. At least the fake news press was more honest about Hillary's emails and server before the election. There's silence from them with Biden's corruption.
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According to QAnon, this is just another massive cover up by the Deep State. I am Q and I vouch for the veracity of this statement.
I don't know anything about QAnon or Infowars either. Maybe you can get us all up to date with a brief description of each.
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According to QAnon, this is just another massive cover up by the Deep State. I am Q and I vouch for the veracity of this statement.
It would be quite easy to find out. Let the FBI tell us what is on the hard drive they have had in their possession for months.
But it sure does look like a massive coverup by the deep state and their partners in the left media.
So you are not interested to know if the emails, which have now been corroborated by one of those on the email chain are true? Or do you just hate Trump so much nothing else matters?
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So as I read that account, the FBI has had the computer since sometime in later November or early December, 2019. Is there a coverup or something?
They've been busy trying to destroy Trump. There's only so much time doing coup d'etats.
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So as I read that account, the FBI has had the computer since sometime in later November or early December, 2019. Is there a coverup or something?
It seems to me like the story would have broken someplace other than the tabloids. I mean I read a lot of stuff in the tabloids when I waiting in line at the grocery store checkout line. I think most of that is a bit far-fetched, but it is a fun way to spend a few minutes when you are trapped between grocery carts.
Of course the other thing is Giuliani is involved. He's whackadoodle.
It will only show up if the media decides to print it. They won't even investigate.
Rudy, brought down the mob and saved New York twice. Quite the whackadoodle.
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Well, unless the AP are a bunch of left wing commie extremists, they are but one of many :
AP - The FBI is investigating whether emails that were published this week by the New York Post related to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, and his purported dealings in Ukraine are connected to a possible Russian influence operation in an effort to spread disinformation ahead of the 2020 presidential election. The New York Post report is being investigated by the FBI as a possible Russian influence operation. The authenticity of the emails remained unclear as of Friday.
In August, U.S. intelligence officials said that its believed Russia is using a variety of measures to denigrate Biden ahead of the 2020 election, and that individuals linked to the Kremlin are boosting Trump's reelection bid. A fifth and final report from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation also concluded that the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat.
Well, the biased press didn't handle similar news about Trump and Russian collusion the same way. They went after him for political reasons for four years, day after day after day. Pravda would have been proud of them.
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Well, unless the AP are a bunch of left wing commie extremists, they are but one of many :
AP - The FBI is investigating whether emails that were published this week by the New York Post related to Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, and his purported dealings in Ukraine are connected to a possible Russian influence operation in an effort to spread disinformation ahead of the 2020 presidential election. The New York Post report is being investigated by the FBI as a possible Russian influence operation. The authenticity of the emails remained unclear as of Friday.
In August, U.S. intelligence officials said that its believed Russia is using a variety of measures to denigrate Biden ahead of the 2020 election, and that individuals linked to the Kremlin are boosting Trump's reelection bid. A fifth and final report from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation also concluded that the Trump campaign's interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat.
The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
The question becomes, will the media do its job and investigate the material or cover it up. So far they are in cover up mode.
Here is the cover page from the NBC News website right now. How many stories do you see about anything related to the Biden Computer and where is it located on the page?
https://www.nbcnews.com/
How about CNN
https://www.cnn.com/
CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/
New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/
Or Fox?
https://www.foxnews.com/
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The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
The question becomes, will the media do its job and investigate the material or cover it up. So far they are in cover up mode.
If Biden gets elected, the FBI will drop the laptop in the Potomac River. If he loses, no one will care.
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The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
If any of this was the least bit true don't you think Attorney General Barr would have been visiting the FBI and demanded that this be given top priority?
If you want to continue to believe in fairy tales go ahead. Rudy Giuliani has been discredited so many times that I have lost count.
The Washington Post has fact checked what we know to date: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/
Columnist David Ignatius has a piece on this in today's paper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-behind-the-hunter-biden-non-scandal/2020/10/16/798210bc-0fd1-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
You can call fake news and I can too. Unless you have a good response to the question I ask, this conversation is over.
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The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
The question becomes, will the media do its job and investigate the material or cover it up. So far they are in cover up mode.
Here is the cover page from the NBC News website right now. How many stories do you see about anything related to the Biden Computer and where is it located on the page?
https://www.nbcnews.com/
How about CNN
https://www.cnn.com/
CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/
New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/
Or Fox?
https://www.foxnews.com/
why should anyone be covering a “scandal” that literally amounts to “Presidential Candidate’s idiot kid was lobbyist.”
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The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
The question becomes, will the media do its job and investigate the material or cover it up. So far they are in cover up mode.
If I’m to align myself with your and Alan’s interpretation of the status quo, then I’m to believe that the FBI (and by association the CIA) are incompetent / politically motivated / corrupt - any one or all three. Not exactly within the competence bounds of the press.
Given that this all stems from a ‘Giuliani got suckered’ foot-in-mouth moment, I’d tend to believe the US Intelligence services - as and when they report on what, so far, is a non-issue. Prima facie it seems the NY Post and Giuliani have a lot more to answer for than Joe Biden’s son.
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So you are not interested to know if the emails, which have now been corroborated by one of those on the email chain are true? Or do you just hate Trump so much nothing else matters?
I understand that Fox News has said it has verified the emails. I went to the Fox News website and didn't find much other than an opinion piece by David Bossie that it's a left wing cover up. Maybe Fox is working on a big expose and I just need to be patient.
I switched on Fox News. I have been watching for a while. They said that the FBI is investigating whether the Hunter Biden laptop story is Russian disinformation. They also said Senate GOP members are going to subpoena the CEOs of Twitter and Facebook next week. Fair enough. Why aren't they going to subpoena the color-blind computer repair guy? It seems like he would know more about this than Zuckerberg and Dorsey. Then Trump's campaign communication guy comes on and is saying the same stuff that was in the New York Post story a couple of days ago and raising his eyebrows a lot. Even the Fox News guy is chuckling and shaking his head. That's not really helping a lot.
Has Fox News flipped and is now pro-Biden and aiding and abetting the cover-up? Now there's a story.
I'll keep looking for stuff. Maybe it is all on the dark web with the rest of the conspiracy stuff. Maybe my son will be able to help me navigate over there so I can find out.
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If any of this was the least bit true don't you think Attorney General Barr would have been visiting the FBI and demanded that this be given top priority?
If you want to continue to believe in fairy tales go ahead. Rudy Giuliani has been discredited so many times that I have lost count.
The Washington Post has fact checked what we know to date: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/
Columnist David Ignatius has a piece on this in today's paper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-behind-the-hunter-biden-non-scandal/2020/10/16/798210bc-0fd1-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
You can call fake news and I can too. Unless you have a good response to the question I ask, this conversation is over.
It would have been nice if you were as circumspect with the Trump dossier known to be produced and paid for by Hillary Clinton.
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A warning.
"Should the US voters on 3 November decide that another four years of Trump is a fine idea, South Africa’s late- and post-Zuma suffering will be in vain. They could have learned from us. Perhaps the most important lesson of Zuma’s tenure is that it’s far easier to break a country than to rebuild one.
This is an interesting article highlighting the parallels between our previous president Jacob Zuma and Donald Trump...
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-10-17-the-south-african-grapes-of-wrath/
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A little off the horse race, but dealing with Politics, a 48% plurality of voters support ACB's confirmation with 44% plurality feeling she should be confirmed before the election.
Support for Barrett nomination ticks up to 48 percent: poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/520944-support-for-barrett-nomination-ticks-up-to-48-percent-poll)
Only 31% disapprove of her altogether with 36% feeling the vote should wait until after the election.
This, combined with Hunter's email scandal the Media censoring content, makes me feel there is a paradigm shift going on in the country away from leftism. Who knows if the momentum is there for this to take hold by the election, but leftism is dead.
I thought you guys didn't believe the polls. Could be a lot of Biden supporters telling the pollsters the exact opposite of what they believe. You know, like the Trump supporters telling the pollsters they were going to vote for Hillary.
If leftism is dead, you should be sleeping better at night. Whew! That was a close one.
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Rudy, brought down the mob and saved New York twice. Quite the whackadoodle.
A lot of people lead fine lives and then go all whackadoodle when they get old.
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It would have been nice if you were as circumspect with the Trump dossier known to be produced and paid for by Hillary Clinton.
I don't think I ever commented on that one. I can only go by what official sources say. Attorney General Barr has had two people looking into the 2016 business. The first report came back last week and showed nothing and the second won't be ready, if it ever is, until after the election. The bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee issued a six volume report that pretty much documented all the Russian influence in 2016. Whether any of that monkey business made a difference in President Trump's election is and will always be an open question. It also should be pointed out that the dossier you refer to was initially funded during the Republican Party primary by Trump opposition: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html Stuff is always more complicated than either you or I would like to think.
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The FBI has had these emails for months. What have they been doing? They have been corraborated by one of Hunters partners and they have the email chain directly from his gmail account to prove it. These are Hunter Bidens emails. It was his computer. No Russian made him drop it off and never go back to collect it.
The question becomes, will the media do its job and investigate the material or cover it up. So far they are in cover up mode.
Here is the cover page from the NBC News website right now. How many stories do you see about anything related to the Biden Computer and where is it located on the page?
https://www.nbcnews.com/
How about CNN
https://www.cnn.com/
CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/
New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/
Or Fox?
https://www.foxnews.com/
The NY Times page had at least 12 articles on Trump, all of them negative. They had one positive coverage on Biden as a young student. Journalism is dead in America. Unfortunately, most American don't follow this stuff like we do and believe what they read. My wife thinks people are smarter than we think. We'll find out on Nov 3rd.
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Okay, the Infowars website is back up and do they ever have a bombshell:
EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Whistleblower Reveals Hunter Biden “Sex Tapes” Contain Video of Joe Biden’s Son Sexually ABUSING Multiple Under-Age Chinese Teens
https://www.infowars.com/posts/exclusive-chinese-whistleblower-reveals-hunter-biden-sex-tapes-contain-video-of-joe-bidens-son-sexually-abusing-multiple-under-age-chinese-teens/
Nothing yet about this on Fox News. I checked the Trump campaign site and they don't have anything about this up yet either. Trump is in Orlando this afternoon. Maybe he'll say something then.
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If I’m to align myself with your and Alan’s interpretation of the status quo, then I’m to believe that the FBI (and by association the CIA) are incompetent / politically motivated / corrupt - any one or all three. Not exactly within the competence bounds of the press.
Given that this all stems from a ‘Giuliani got suckered’ foot-in-mouth moment, I’d tend to believe the US Intelligence services - as and when they report on what, so far, is a non-issue. Prima facie it seems the NY Post and Giuliani have a lot more to answer for than Joe Biden’s son.
Why did you believe Hillary's dossier on Trump prepared during an election? Do you believe the head of intelligence who falsely swore to Congress? D you still believe Trump conspired with the Russians? Do you think anyone at the FBI tried to "get" Trump using false dossier with the FISA court?
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A warning.
"Should the US voters on 3 November decide that another four years of Trump is a fine idea, South Africa’s late- and post-Zuma suffering will be in vain. They could have learned from us. Perhaps the most important lesson of Zuma’s tenure is that it’s far easier to break a country than to rebuild one.
This is an interesting article highlighting the parallels between our previous president Jacob Zuma and Donald Trump...
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-10-17-the-south-african-grapes-of-wrath/
The article is blocked for me. But let me say this. America isn't South Africa. America is a rather old republic with a written constitution that is respected by Americans including the president. No man in America can ignore the law and Trump hasn't. South Africa was a white supremacist nation until very recently that was dictatorial in rule. Many say that while the colors of the leaders have changed, property rights issues and other dictatorial tendencies still exist there. Comparing the two countries is a complete mismatch.
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From a friend of the computer repair guy.
Yes, The Hunter Biden Emails Are Authentic by Larry C Johnson
I thought that nut job conspiracy hoax creator's name sounded familiar...
"Larry C. Johnson... is best known for spreading a hoax in 2008 that Republican operatives had a videotape of Michelle Obama complaining about "whitey". "Johnson posted an item entitled, "Will Barack Throw Mama From the Train?" which alleged that a tape existed of Michelle Obama "railing against 'whitey' at Jeremiah Wright's church." Johnson claimed that Republicans were in possession of the tape and it "is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time." In a subsequent post, Johnson claimed that Obama's appearance had occurred when she was on a panel with Louis Farrakhan. He also explained that he himself had not seen the tape, but had spoken with "five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape." "No tape was ever released, nor has any other evidence emerged of Obama using the word "whitey".
"In July 2001, two months before the September 11 attacks, Johnson wrote a New York Times op-ed entitled, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," arguing that "terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way."
"In 2013, Johnson falsely accused John Kerry of war crimes in Vietnam, alleging that Kerry had "raped some poor Vietnamese woman.". To support his claim, Johnson used a YouTube video that contained audio clips from a 1971 debate on The Dick Cavett Show between John Kerry and John O'Neill. The original interview audio was altered to piece together words that Kerry spoke at different times during the debate, falsely making it sound as if he said, "I personally raped for pleasure." When the falsehood was exposed by a reader of Johnson's blog, Johnson deleted the article without apology."
"In March 2017, Andrew Napolitano spread the unfounded conspiracy theory that GCHQ, one of Britain's top intelligence agencies, had wiretapped Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign on orders from President Obama. Johnson was the source for Napolitano's claim. The conspiracy theory was later asserted as fact by President Trump, with him citing Fox News and Napolitano. GCHQ responded, stating that the claims were "nonsense, utterly ridiculous and should be ignored". Fox News later disavowed the statement by Napolitano.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_C._Johnson)
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Gosh, and I thought everything on the internet was true.
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I thought you guys didn't believe the polls. Could be a lot of Biden supporters telling the pollsters the exact opposite of what they believe. You know, like the Trump supporters telling the pollsters they were going to vote for Hillary.
If leftism is dead, you should be sleeping better at night. Whew! That was a close one.
I don't think leftism is dead. In fact I think it's getting worse. Unfortunately, people like free stuff. Democrats are better than Republicans at promising more free stuff. It's one of the reasons our founders distrusted democracy and had electors for presidents and senators being elected by state legislatures rather than popular votes. Logically, politicians make promises of giveaways for votes. They care little about debt or the damage from inflating the money supply. So we're all going to vote ourselves into the poor house.
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Gosh, and I thought everything on the internet was true.
Say it ain't so. I thought for sure it is all true. Who do we believe?
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A lot of people lead fine lives and then go all whackadoodle when they get old.
Sounds like Biden.
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I don't think leftism is dead. In fact I think it's getting worse. Unfortunately, people like free stuff. Democrats are better than Republicans at promising more free stuff.
When are you going to turn in your Medicare card and purchase private health insurance? Send back that Social Security check you get each month. Stop living off the teat of the US government. Oooops, both of those are Democratic programs.
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I don't think I ever commented on that one. I can only go by what official sources say. Attorney General Barr has had two people looking into the 2016 business. The first report came back last week and showed nothing and the second won't be ready, if it ever is, until after the election. The bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee issued a six volume report that pretty much documented all the Russian influence in 2016. Whether any of that monkey business made a difference in President Trump's election is and will always be an open question. It also should be pointed out that the dossier you refer to was initially funded during the Republican Party primary by Trump opposition: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html Stuff is always more complicated than either you or I would like to think.
The point I was making was you were ready to accept everything bad about Trump but are willing to give Biden a pass for similar type of evidence. Certainly, as an individual, I have no problem with that. It's the media that should hang its head in shame. Journalists are not acting fairly in reporting the news for political reasons. That taints the whole political arena and puts America into dangerous situations. The public is misinformed. It taints journalism so many people have lost respect for it because it can't be trusted.
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Larry Johnson's Strange Trip
BY DAVID WEIGEL JUNE 24, 2008
https://prospect.org/article/larry-johnson-s-strange-trip/ (https://prospect.org/article/larry-johnson-s-strange-trip/)
Excerpts Below
"On May 13, 2006, Larry C. Johnson -- former CIA intelligence officer, counterterrorism pundit, classmate of Valerie Plame -- put up a breaking post claiming that Karl Rove was under federal indictment for perjury and lying to investigators looking into the leaking of Plame's identity.
"Rove Indicted," Johnson blogged. "Frog march the bastard. As Freddie Mercury sang, 'another one bites the dust.'"
"But, by May and early June of this year, Johnson had become much more hated on the left than he ever was on the right. He was instrumental in spreading the rumor that Republican operatives possessed a tape of Barack Obama's wife Michelle railing against "whitey."
"It was months later -- in late April -- that the "whitey tape" rumor started, mostly among pro-Clinton Democratic donors in New York. One of the earliest versions of the rumor, according to one reporter who heard it in April, was that researchers for Rudy Giuliani had their hands on a tape of Michelle Obama at Trinity United giving a speech where she attacked white America using the word "whitey."
On May 30, Rush Limbaugh dropped a mention of the rumor of a tape that shows "Michelle going nuts in the church, too, talking about whitey this and whitey that." The next day Johnson promised "new and dramatic developments" to come on Monday morning. The day after Johnson's "bombshell" post, Roger Stone appeared on Geraldo Rivera's Sunday Fox News show and gave his own version of what he was hearing.
"There's a buzz," Stone said, "which I believe now to be credible, that some indelible record exists of public remarks that Michelle Obama allegedly made, which are outrageous at best, but could be termed racist, including some reference to white people as whiteys, allegedly." NoQuarter bloggers Bud White and SusanUnPC used the Stone video as proof of the story's veracity; NoQuarter even uploaded the segment onto YouTube."
"The next day the anonymously written blog Hillbuzz produced a new version of what was on the tape. Johnson all but endorsed it, calling it "important news," even though the facts and timing of the 2004 event where Hillbuzz claimed the video was taken negated important pieces of the other theories, like Louis Farrakhan's presence, the Trinity United setting, and the timing -- how could Obama have referred to Katrina in 2004?
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When are you going to turn in your Medicare card and purchase private health insurance? Send back that Social Security check you get each month. Stop living off the teat of the US government. Oooops, both of those are Democratic programs.
Excuse me. But I've contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars for Medicare and Social Security over my working life and my employers have matched those amounts dollar for dollar.
Additionally, had the Democrats allowed me to add those dollars to my 401K plan instead of taking it from me from my weekly salaries, the value would be at least double from interest and growth over the decades. Also, what's left over when I die, would go to my heirs. That doesn't happen with the current Social Security. The government keeps all the money that's leftover.
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From a friend of the computer repair guy.
Yes, The Hunter Biden Emails Are Authentic by Larry C Johnson
A tip of the hat to one of our own for putting the name of serial hoax creator Larry C Johnson in bold type or I might have scrolled right past it. Also, thanks for pointing out his connection to the colorful "computer repair guy" that has trouble getting his story straight. It provides some background context for the whole affair.
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A tip of the hat to one of our own for putting the name of serial hoax creator Larry C Johnson in bold type or I might have scrolled right past it. Also, thanks for pointing out his connection to the colorful "computer repair guy" that has trouble getting his story straight. It provides some background context for the whole affair.
Character assassination is really not a good look for you. Refute the facts if you can. Oh wait, you can't, which is why you went with character assassination.
I would expect nothing less.
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There are facts?
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Refute the facts if you can.
I didn't know there were any facts yet. A few people have said some stuff, but that's about it. You can't believe everything you read.
For example, just because someone said there was a Trump pee-pee tape, doesn't mean there actually was a Trump pee-pee tape. I never believed there was a Trump pee-pee tape. Too far-fetched. But it was sort of funny in an adolescent kind of way. I'm glad the Senate Intelligence Committee never corroborated the Trump pee-pee tape. Can you imagine having to actually watch the Trump pee-pee tape played during nationally televised hearings? It wouldn't have been the Senate's finest hour. I hope the Senate doesn't corroborate the Hunter Biden sex tapes, the ones where he abuses underage Chinese girls. I don't want to watch those either.
So I am just going to take a wait and see attitude. My initial reaction is that the story is too far-fetched to be believable. But we'll just have to see.
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If any of this was the least bit true don't you think Attorney General Barr would have been visiting the FBI and demanded that this be given top priority?
How do you know they have not? "Unnamed sources" say the Feds are investigating the emails to see if they are part of a disinformation program. When asked they had no comment, saying they don't comment on ongoing investigations.
So whats your excuse now?
If you want to continue to believe in fairy tales go ahead. Rudy Giuliani has been discredited so many times that I have lost count.
The Washington Post has fact checked what we know to date: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/14/hunter-bidens-alleged-laptop-an-explainer/
Columnist David Ignatius has a piece on this in today's paper: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-truth-behind-the-hunter-biden-non-scandal/2020/10/16/798210bc-0fd1-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
So the Ministry of Truth has spoken and Alan has decided its all a Fairy Tale. That speaks volumes.
You can call fake news and I can too. Unless you have a good response to the question I ask, this conversation is over.
As I said in an eariler post, I don't know if this story is true or not. But its quite telling that the Left has pulled out all the stops to try and bury and discredit the story without much investigation.
Its going to take people with intellectual honesty to work through the current facts and what may be coming to find the truth. The current tactic of shooting the messanger is also quite a tell. That intellectual honestly is almost completely lacking in the Left on this issue.
Disengage if thats your perogative.
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I thought that nut job conspiracy hoax creator's name sounded familiar...
Thanks for the heads-up.
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If I’m to align myself with your and Alan’s interpretation of the status quo, then I’m to believe that the FBI (and by association the CIA) are incompetent / politically motivated / corrupt - any one or all three. Not exactly within the competence bounds of the press.
Given that this all stems from a ‘Giuliani got suckered’ foot-in-mouth moment, I’d tend to believe the US Intelligence services - as and when they report on what, so far, is a non-issue. Prima facie it seems the NY Post and Giuliani have a lot more to answer for than Joe Biden’s son.
It has been proven that the FBI is less that honest and incompetent. And they are politically motivated.
Actually the Intelligence Community has not offered any assessment of these emails yet so what exactly are you believing?
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There are facts?
Many. You should look. You seem to have plenty of time to google.
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why should anyone be covering a “scandal” that literally amounts to “Presidential Candidate’s idiot kid was lobbyist.”
How about Democratic Presidential Candidate may have been accepting cash for access.
Would that warrant coverage?
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Dear Lord, If Adam Shiff says its the Russians it must be true!
The Left is sooo smart!
Byron York
On CNN, Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff says New York Post Hunter Biden story 'comes from the Kremlin.' Anchor seems to agree. Would be more persuasive if they provided evidence that 1) story is false, and 2) it 'comes from the Kremlin.'
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1317432785070706688/photo/1
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Trump "may have been" the super-secret head of the Mafia's Five Families in New York or an astronaut on a Russian space mission to spy on the United States.
Would that warrant coverage?
Meh... probably not. Probably would need verification and vetting first.
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Trump "may have been" the super-secret head of the Mafia's Five Families in New York or an astronaut on a Russian space mission to spy on the United States.
Would that warrant coverage?
Meh... probably not. Probably would need verification and vetting first.
From the Left, yes that would warrant coverage and days of it. All you need is a couple of "unnamed sources". Its SOP.
When it comes to Biden, we do have two corraborating emails but who's counting. Keep trying Wilfred, maybe you can keep googling and find the facvts.
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The point I was making was you were ready to accept everything bad about Trump but are willing to give Biden a pass for similar type of evidence.
Let me clarify for you pretty simply. I was not a Clinton supporter and thought when the email stuff surfaced that she would have a difficult time winning. When Wiener's laptop ended up having all the emails on it because of Huma Abedine's stupidity that sealed it. I never had any faith at all in the Steele dossier and the Hunter Biden stuff is even weaker as the Steele piece did have some truthful points in it. I don't give anybody a pass and never have. I will not vote for serial liars ever.
Is this clear enough?
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Disengage if thats your perogative.
Yup, that's what I will do. Delusions are not my cup of tea.
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Yup, that's what I will do. Delusions are not my cup of tea.
How about intellectual honesty?
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I wonder if the polling for Trump and other Republicans would be better if they didn't spend so much time running against Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Hunter Biden, the FBI, U.S. National Intelligence Agencies, scientists, and journalists; while at the same time playing footsie with militia groups, retweeting hoaxes and conspiracies (just a retweet, I take no responsibility for what it says), peddling disinformation from known Russian Intelligence agents, praising Vladimir Putin, denying responsibility and finger pointing for any problem, and making ridiculous extravagant claims and instead focused on presenting solutions to problems that ordinary Americans face in their daily lives.
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I wonder if the polling for Trump and other Republicans would be better if they didn't spend so much time running against Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Hunter Biden, the FBI, U.S. National Intelligence Agencies, scientists, and journalists; while at the same time playing footsie with militia groups, retweeting hoaxes and conspiracies (just a retweet, I take no responsibility for what it says), peddling disinformation from known Russian Intelligence agents, praising Vladimir Putin, denying responsibility and finger pointing for any problem, and making ridiculous extravagant claims and instead focused on presenting solutions to problems that ordinary Americans face in their daily lives.
They do. They're going to build a wall to keep out murders and rapists Mexicans, and there's been a health care plan that will be revealed in two weeks for four years now. (I hear they're also saving protections for people with preexisting conditions by trying to invalidate protections for people with preexisting conditions, but I have to confess that I find that one a little confusing.)
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I wonder if the polling for Trump and other Republicans would be better if they didn't spend so much time running against Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Hunter Biden, the FBI, U.S. National Intelligence Agencies, scientists, and journalists; while at the same time playing footsie with militia groups, retweeting hoaxes and conspiracies (just a retweet, I take no responsibility for what it says), peddling disinformation from known Russian Intelligence agents, praising Vladimir Putin, denying responsibility and finger pointing for any problem, and making ridiculous extravagant claims and instead focused on presenting solutions to problems that ordinary Americans face in their daily lives.
Why wonder? The only poll that matters ends on Nov 3, or sometime thereafter depending on what crazy state you live in.
Either Trump or Biden wins. Regardless my life goes on and I'll just have to make the best of what comes.
And if Trump wins I'll even promise not to gloat.
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Videos show training for alleged governor kidnapping plot
"Videos show militia members, including Brandon M. Caserta, allegedly training for Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot used as exhibits during hearing in federal court at Gerald R. Ford Federal Building in Grand Rapids. (Courtesy of U.S. Attorney's office)"
Video is 2-minutes long
https://www.youtube.com/Videos show training for alleged governor kidnapping plot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jllwlidfuhc&feature=emb_logo)
From story below...
https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/10/released-photos-and-videos-offer-look-at-training-weaponry-in-alleged-gov-whitmer-kidnapping-plot (https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/10/released-photos-and-videos-offer-look-at-training-weaponry-in-alleged-gov-whitmer-kidnapping-plot.html)
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As a serious and devoted anti-Trumper, but pretty much a centrist in politics, I'm still worried that Trump will win the election and do even further damage to America. So, I've been watching the Economist model on a daily basis (because it's a rational and fairly non-partisan magazine) and I've noticed that there is very little movement in the model's projections for electoral college totals and for voting totals. With a little more than two weeks to go before the election, this has the effect of making me a bit less nervous, because by this time in 2016, Trump was beginning to close the gap with Hillary. No such movement right now. I'm most interested in Florida because a number of political commentators have asserted that Trump can't win without Florida -- and that he was running behind in Florida, and the gap is not closing, but seems even to be opening a bit. A good sign. But I'm still nervous.
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How about Democratic Presidential Candidate may have been accepting cash for access.
Would that warrant coverage?
Sure. Are you talking about the "Set aside 10% for the big guy" stuff? Hasn't Biden already released his tax records? We'd know if he had any shady outside income or cashflow from unexplainable LLCs wouldn't we? Does he have any business or foreign financial entanglements now? Again, easy to check I think.
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Associated Press - Biden email episode illustrates risk to Trump from Giuliani
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020/Biden email episode illustrates risk to Trump from Giuliani (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-russia-024b553e9a4ffb2716286dd134876f8a)
WASHINGTON (AP) — A New York tabloid’s puzzling account about how it acquired emails purportedly from Joe Biden’s son has raised some red flags. One of the biggest involves the source of the emails: Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani has traveled abroad looking for dirt on the Bidens, developing relationships with shadowy figures, including a Ukrainian lawmaker who U.S. officials have described as a Russian agent and part of a broader Russian effort to denigrate the Democratic presidential nominee.
Yet Giuliani says foreign sources didn’t provide the Hunter Biden emails. He says a laptop containing the emails and intimate photos was simply abandoned in a Delaware repair shop and the shop owner reached out to Giuliani’s lawyer.
That hasn’t stopped the FBI from investigating whether the emails are part of a foreign influence operation. The emails have surfaced as U.S. officials have been warning that Russia, which backed Trump’s 2016 campaign through hacking of Democratic emails and a covert social media campaign, is interfering again this year. The latest episode with Giuliani underscores the risk he poses to a White House that spent years confronted by a federal investigation into whether Trump associates had coordinated with Russia.
The Washington Post reported Thursday that intelligence agencies had warned the White House last year that Giuliani was the target of a Russian influence operation. The newspaper, citing four former officials, said that assessment was based on information including intercepted communications showing Giuliani had been in contact with people tied to Russian intelligence.
The newspaper said national security adviser Robert O’Brien had warned Trump that information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia, but that Trump brushed off the warning.
Far from distancing himself from Giuliani, Trump has made the purported Hunter Biden emails one of his main talking points in the final weeks of the campaign as he tries to disparage his Democratic rival.
The Trump-friendly New York Post began publishing stories about the emails Wednesday, saying it had obtained them from the former New York mayor. The newspaper said the emails of Hunter Biden, a California resident, were found in a laptop that had been dropped off for service at a Delaware repair shop by an unidentified man who never picked it up. They said the shop owner turned it over to the FBI, but also made a copy of the hard drive and provided that to Giuliani’s lawyer.
But the report that intelligence agencies have been concerned about Giuliani is hardly surprising.
Andrii Derkach, the Ukrainian parliamentarian who is one of Giuliani’s principal contacts, was mentioned in an August intelligence assessment that described a concerted Russian effort to disparage Biden. A Treasury Department sanction announcement from last month characterized Derkach as an “active Russian agent for over a decade.”
Derkach in recent months has leaked recordings of calls Biden had as vice president with Ukraine’s then-leader, audio the Biden campaign contends is heavily edited. Despite his own administration’s warnings on Derkach, Trump has promoted those recordings on Twitter.
Giuliani has not been shy about discussing his foreign contacts, including with Derkach. In December, Derkach posted on his Facebook page photos of him and Giuliani meeting in Kyiv.
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Sure. Are you talking about the "Set aside 10% for the big guy" stuff? Hasn't Biden already released his tax records? We'd know if he had any shady outside income or cashflow from unexplainable LLCs wouldn't we? Does he have any business or foreign financial entanglements now? Again, easy to check I think.
Would we? Do you think if he was taking cash like this it would show up on his 1040?
I don’t know if this is true or not. What I do know is the media sure as hell does not want to find out and they want to make sure the story has no legs. Don’t you think it might be a good thing to check it out?
But the bigger point is it appears pretty hypocritical to me given the last four years of media ( and other) Trump bashing
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Sure. Are you talking about the "Set aside 10% for the big guy" stuff? Hasn't Biden already released his tax records? We'd know if he had any shady outside income or cashflow from unexplainable LLCs wouldn't we? Does he have any business or foreign financial entanglements now? Again, easy to check I think.
Ten Percenters don't report their cash earnings on their tax returns.
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Let me clarify for you pretty simply. I was not a Clinton supporter and thought when the email stuff surfaced that she would have a difficult time winning. When Wiener's laptop ended up having all the emails on it because of Huma Abedine's stupidity that sealed it. I never had any faith at all in the Steele dossier and the Hunter Biden stuff is even weaker as the Steele piece did have some truthful points in it. I don't give anybody a pass and never have. I will not vote for serial liars ever.
Is this clear enough?
Goad to hear you're being fair-minded. Now if only the press would do the same thing.
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I don't think I ever commented on that one. I can only go by what official sources say. Attorney General Barr has had two people looking into the 2016 business. The first report came back last week and showed nothing and the second won't be ready, if it ever is, until after the election. The bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee issued a six volume report that pretty much documented all the Russian influence in 2016. Whether any of that monkey business made a difference in President Trump's election is and will always be an open question. It also should be pointed out that the dossier you refer to was initially funded during the Republican Party primary by Trump opposition: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html Stuff is always more complicated than either you or I would like to think.
It has come to my attention that your are Jewish and I apologize for my Grammar Nazi comment. I now understand why that is quite offensive to you.
I'm sorry.
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Political Satire (or is it?)
The Modern Guide to Hypnosis
Chapter 4 - Hypnosis for Controlling Media Coverage and/or for Political Gain
Example #1 - Start with even tone of voice and gradually increase volume and intensity: Emails-Crooked Hillary-email server-Crooked Hillary emails-State Department emails-Crooked Hillary-private emails-FBI emails-laptop emails
Keep your eyes on the watch: Email scandal-Hillary-lock her up-DNC-hacked emails-WikiLeaks emails.
Now close your eyes. Don't think about Russia. Just keep listening: You're entering a Deep State of relaxation-Deep State-emails-Lock her UP!-emails-Deep State
You're getting Sleepy now: Biden-Sleepy Joe-Emails-Hunter-Ukraine-emails-Hunter Biden emails-Crooked Biden-emails-Hunter laptop-emails laptop-Biden Emails-Crooked Biden-emails-FBI emails-laptop emails
Continue repetition until subject is completely relaxed and willing to accept any suggestion that you make without hesitation.
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Would we? Do you think if he was taking cash like this it would show up on his 1040?
I don’t know if this is true or not. What I do know is the media sure as hell does not want to find out and they want to make sure the story has no legs. Don’t you think it might be a good thing to check it out?
Everything I'm reading is saying that they were discussing an equity deal. And how do you know that it's NOT being checked out?
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Everything I'm reading is saying that they were discussing an equity deal. And how do you know that it's NOT being checked out?
I don't know, and thats the point. No one does at this point.
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I don’t know if this is true or not. What I do know is the media sure as hell does not want to find out and they want to make sure the story has no legs. Don’t you think it might be a good thing to check it out?
Is the right bereft of media of its own? What are your go to sources for news? Do they have any reporting on this story I should read?
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Is the right bereft of media of its own? What are your usual sources for news?
I read a plethora of sources, both left and right, but mostly left as that is what you find. My first stop every morning is the MSNBC webpage.
I do also use a couple of aggregators both leaning right.
I don't watch network news, except for Bret Baier on Fox during dinner. For opinion I watch Martha and Tucker on Fox. When things are breaking or after big events like a debate I usually switch to CNN or MSNBS to hear their take, much to my wifes chagrin.
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Excuse me. But I've contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars for Medicare and Social Security over my working life and my employers have matched those amounts dollar for dollar.
Those were taxes, not contributions. You were paying taxes to support the old-age and medical benefits of employees who retired before you did. In return for the taxes you and your employers paid, you became entitled to receive payments when you retired. Younger people who are currently working pay taxes to support the old-age and medical benefits you receive.
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So Infowars has updated its website. The new headline is:
Confirmed: Trump Has Footage Of Hunter Biden Raping And Torturing Little Girls — Set To Release
https://www.infowars.com/posts/confirmed-trump-has-footage-of-hunter-biden-raping-and-torturing-little-girls-set-to-release/
it looks like they have a live video of Alex Jones' radio show and he is saying all kinds of stuff. You might want to listen in, or not.
Here is the summary:
"Alex Jones breaks down the bombshell developments surrounding Hunter Biden’s hard drive, which allegedly contain thousands of images and videos of sexually explicit material, including Hunter raping and torturing underage Chinese girls. President Trump is reportedly in possession of Hunter’s hard drive and is preparing to release it to the public."
That text summary does say "allegedly" and "reportedly" so maybe he doesn't know everything he says he knows when he is talking about it on the video feed. I have been listening to it for a while and he hasn't said allegedly or reportedly yet. In my judgment, this guy is probably not going to convert a lot of undecideds.
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Joe Biden said the other night that Police need to learn how to de-esclate...instead of shooting to kill they should just shoot the perp in the leg. Police are not to happy with old Joe, saying that it just puts cops lives in danger. Often a wounded perp will not go down as this story shows.
Why this officer carries 145 rounds of 45 while on duty. (Short video with an amazing story)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdjcYjSsIok
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Here are a couple of articles from The Daily Beast. The first one contains an hour long audio recording of their interview with the computer repair guy, John Paul Mac Issac; the other is based on an interview with Giuliani.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunters-laptop-to-rudy-speaks-out-in-bizarre-interview
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giuliani-says-theres-only-5050-chance-i-worked-with-a-russian-spy-to-dig-dirt-on-bidens
Here is an article from NPR. As you might expect, it raises some questions about the veracity of the story.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924506867/analysis-questionable-n-y-post-scoop-driven-by-ex-hannity-producer-giuliani
You can read these articles or dismiss them out of hand. Your choice.
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If the computer repairman did not sell the hard drive for at least a million, he is as stupid as he is blind.
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I read a plethora of sources, both left and right, but mostly left as that is what you find. My first stop every morning is the MSNBC webpage.
I do also use a couple of aggregators both leaning right.
I don't watch network news, except for Bret Baier on Fox during dinner. For opinion I watch Martha and Tucker on Fox. When things are breaking or after big events like a debate I usually switch to CNN or MSNBS to hear their take, much to my wifes chagrin.
That's what I do and my wife is like yours. I always switch to CNN and MSNBC if she's not around to see how they're reporting it. You want to know what the competition is doing and thinking.
Google News on my computer has 80% negative articles on Trump. The biggest spreaders of news however are probably the NY Times and Washington Post. Many news media around the world read their bylines because they don't have their own news staff to get the news. So they just repeat these papers' articles which are negative about Trump and slant the news. It's why many people have certain opinions about him and the USA. Or they watch CNN or Bloomberg which are also left of center and negative Trump.
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Those were taxes, not contributions. You were paying taxes to support the old-age and medical benefits of employees who retired before you did. In return for the taxes you and your employers paid, you became entitled to receive payments when you retired. Younger people who are currently working pay taxes to support the old-age and medical benefits you receive.
But the point is it's our own money. We earned it. It didn't belong to the government or anyone else. Had there been no SS or Medicare, I could have saved all that money with interest over my entire life for over 50 years that I worked. Then I could have subsidized my own medical care and retirement and possible had money left over to leave to my heirs. All that's happening now, is the government is giving me back my own money, only if I should live that long. My sister-in-law died at 59 and never got a dime back that they took from her. Nor my mom who died at 56. Or either of their heirs.
Plus, because the government really didn't set it aside but spent it, both programs are broke. So they're going to have to raise these taxes on younger people which will lower their standard of living at a time when they need it to support growing families. How is that fair? It hurts the economy. Of course, the government is going to lower SS payments and extend retirement ages. Right now, they tax 85% of it. That will go to 100%. NJ where I live currently does not tax SS. Well, the state is broke too. So I bet they'll start taxing it as well making it even harder for retired people to live who already don't have enough as it is. Add to that about zero interest rates on savings, money retired people always depended on, and the government has made a mess of it.
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That's what I do and my wife is like yours. I always switch to CNN and MSNBC if she's not around to see how they're reporting it. You want to know what the competition is doing and thinking.
Google News on my computer has 80% negative articles on Trump. The biggest spreaders of news however are probably the NY Times and Washington Post. Many news media around the world read their bylines because they don't have their own news staff to get the news. So they just repeat these papers' articles which are negative about Trump and slant the news. It's why many people have certain opinions about him and the USA. Or they watch CNN or Bloomberg which are also left of center and negative Trump.
Alan, you seem to know a hell of lot about how "the rest of the world" works. I did not need anyone to tell me about what kind of person Donald Trump is: he has shown me himself. Everything my mother, and I am sure many other mothers, taught me not to be can be found in him.
Now let me tell you what I think of the United States: my father fought alongside Americans in Italy. I watched closely as a young boy what was going on in Vietnam (and was on your side). I listened (we had no TV in South Africa then) to the moon landings and shared in your pride. I believed you when you said you were the "greatest nation on earth" and that you had such a wonderful constitution and so on... I always thought that the President of the United States would/should be the most respected person on earth - or at least strive to be.
I don't need any media, print or TV, to see or tell me what kind pf person is running your country - I see him with my own eyes and hear him with my own ears.
However, I believe that we will see massive numbers of "normal" Americans who will come out and vote in greater numbers than ever before to put and end to this strange time in your history and I look forward to the day when you once again take up your role as an example to other parts of the world.
James Carville wrote an inspiring article in "The Bulwark" a few days and I certainly don't expect you to read it - as much as you like telling us how like to "keep up with what the other side is doing", but here is the link anyway:
"We are constantly told that America is too divided, too hopelessly stricken by tribalism to come together anymore. Well, I’m here to proclaim that this received 'wisdom' is just plain wrong."- James Carville.
https://thebulwark.com/a-crusade-for-something-noble/
I wish you guys nothing but the best.
P.S. Please don't come back at me with something about "giving us money, or wasting your money". This is not about money, it's about respect, honour and decency.
We don't want your money...
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Well, I was thinking that if Biden wins, but the Senate stays in Republican hands, we are going to have four years of investigations into the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails. But of course you guys will revel in it and say it is sweet revenge for the Russia Hoax. But then I will point out that the Russia Hoax was sweet revenge for Benghazi. And then you will point out that Benghazi was sweet revenge for whatever there was before there was Benghazi. Before you know it, we'll be arguing the finer points of the Teapot Dome scandal because that is as far back as we can remember because we didn't really pay all that much attention in our American history class in the fourth grade. Of course, it's understandable. How could you possibly be expected to pay attention in American history class when you just noticed that the girl sitting in front of you was wearing a training bra? About the only saving grace will be that Biden probably won't call up Joe and Mika every morning and go off on an unhinged rant for two hours about whatever it is we are going to call the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails story. I think I'd just rather shoot myself and get it over with.
I think I may have mentioned that if Trump wins I am probably going to cancel my cable TV. Even if Biden wins, I may do the same. Go off grid. Maybe a nice cabin in the woods, with a big cellar where I can stash about four years of canned goods and dehydrated pizza. But I've got two weeks to go, and I was happy to see this morning that there were a couple of articles in the lame stream media about the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails. I won't summarize or link to them. I'm sure you are all over them like a duck on a june bug. I'd never heard that expression before but it was the first I'm all over it like a whatever that popped up on Google. I don't know where I've been. Probably trying to figure out whether Melania owns any socks. I don't think I've ever seen her in anything but high heels. Really high heels. I wonder if she had to wear a helmet and knee and elbow pads when she was learning to walk in those really high heels. That's kind of a parenting tip. Another parenting tip is to be sure and pick up your laptop after it has been repaired. I thought everyone knew that, but I guess there's always one guy that doesn't get the memo.
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Alan, you seem to know a hell of lot about how "the rest of the world" works. I did not need anyone to tell me about what kind of person Donald Trump is: he has shown me himself. Everything my mother, and I am sure many other mothers, taught me not to be can be found in him.
Now let me tell you what I think of the United States: my father fought alongside Americans in Italy. I watched closely as a young boy what was going on in Vietnam (and was on your side). I listened (we had no TV in South Africa then) to the moon landings and shared in your pride. I believed you when you said you were the "greatest nation on earth" and that you had such a wonderful constitution and so on... I always thought that the President of the United States would/should be the most respected person on earth - or at least strive to be.
I don't need any media, print or TV, to see or tell me what kind pf person is running your country - I see him with my own eyes and hear him with my own ears.
However, I believe that we will see massive numbers of "normal" Americans who will come out and vote in greater numbers than ever before to put and end to this strange time in your history and I look forward to the day when you once again take up your role as an example to other parts of the world.
James Carville wrote an inspiring article in "The Bulwark" a few days and I certainly don't expect you to read it - as much as you like telling us how like to "keep up with what the other side is doing", but here is the link anyway:
"We are constantly told that America is too divided, too hopelessly stricken by tribalism to come together anymore. Well, I’m here to proclaim that this received 'wisdom' is just plain wrong."- James Carville.
https://thebulwark.com/a-crusade-for-something-noble/
I wish you guys nothing but the best.
P.S. Please don't come back at me with something about "giving us money, or wasting your money". This is not about money, it's about respect, honour and decency.
We don't want your money...
James Carville, a Democrat, was and is the Clinton family guy. He worked for Bill Clinton, a president who was impeached, lost his lawyer's license for lying under oath, got BJ's in the Oval Office disgracing the presidency, abused women, and along with his wife Hillary, took millions of dollars using their position in government to sell access to kings and other countries. I wouldn't use Carville as an arbiter of decency.
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Well, I was thinking that if Biden wins, but the Senate stays in Republican hands, we are going to have four years of investigations of the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails. But of course you guys will revel in it and say it is sweet revenge for the Russia Hoax. But then I will point out that the Russia Hoax was sweet revenge for Benghazi. And then you will point out that Benghazi was sweet revenge for whatever there was before there was Benghazi. Before you know it, we'll be arguing the finer points of the Teapot Dome scandal because that is as far back as we remember because we didn't really pay all that much attention in our American history class in the fourth grade or whenever the last time we took American History was. About the only saving grace will be that Biden probably won't call up Joe and Mika every morning and go off on an unhinge rant for two hours about whatever we are going to call the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails story. I think I'd just rather shoot myself and get it over with.
I think I may have mentioned that if Trump wins I am probably going to cancel my cable TV. Even if Biden wins, I may do the same. Go off grid. Maybe a nice cabin in the woods, with a big cellar where I can stash about four years of canned goods and dehydrated pizza. But I've got two weeks to go, and I was happy to see this morning that there were a couple of articles in the lame street media about the Hunter Biden sex tapes and Ukraine/China emails. I won't summarize or link to them. I'm sure you are all over them like a duck on a june bug. I'd never heard that expression before but it was the first I'm all over it like a whatever that popped up on Google. I don't know where I've been. Probably trying to figure out whether Melania owns any socks. I don't think I've ever seen her in anything but high heels. Really high heels.
I hope the government stays divided between the two parties. The worse thing to happen is when one party or the other takes over the Congress and presidency. Then they act dictatorially. No one listens to the other side and there's no compromising. You saw that played out with Obamacare, Trump's tax legislation, and supreme court justices.
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James Carville, a Democrat, was and is the Clinton family guy. He worked for Bill Clinton, a president who was impeached, lost his lawyer's license for lying under oath, got BJ's in the Oval Office disgracing the presidency, abused women, and along with his wife Hillary, took millions of dollars using their position in government to sell access to kings and other countries. I wouldn't use Carville as an arbiter of decency.
Alan, still - I don't see you as a Trump guy...
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Alan, still - I don't see you as a Trump guy...
I knew guys like him in NYC when I worked for real estate owners in my contracting business. Cheap, bombastic, egotistical and NY tough. Some real estate owners were nice and charitable. Not Trump. I would stay away from guys like him. His demeanor and style turns me off. But if you watch him in a one-on-one conversation, he's funny and smart and has a lot of common sense. If you actually check his record, he's done a reasonable job over the last four years especially considering all the interference that has been thrown at him. A weaker man would have given up already or collapsed. The vote is not For Trump or Against Trump. It's For Trump or For Biden. I don't think Biden has the physical stamina or mental acuity to be president. He's bought into the left's agenda and doesn't have a mind of his own any longer. So choosing Trump will be better for America.
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That's what I do and my wife is like yours. I always switch to CNN and MSNBC if she's not around to see how they're reporting it. You want to know what the competition is doing and thinking.
Google News on my computer has 80% negative articles on Trump.
This shows a pro-Trump bias in the news. If the news overall were truly neutral and accurate, it would be 95% negative articles on Trump.
The biggest spreaders of news however are probably the NY Times and Washington Post. Many news media around the world read their bylines because they don't have their own news staff to get the news. So they just repeat these papers' articles which are negative about Trump and slant the news. It's why many people have certain opinions about him and the USA. Or they watch CNN or Bloomberg which are also left of center and negative Trump.
You still don't get it, Alan. Since almost everything Trump does is stupid, immoral, illegal, or harmful to the country and the world, accurate reporting will reflect that. Calling that a "bias against Trump" is like saying the medical journals are biased against cancer. I am sure you still won't get it, but I tried. So be it.
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This shows a pro-Trump bias in the news. If the news overall were truly neutral and accurate, it would be 95% negative articles on Trump.
You still don't get it, Alan. Since almost everything Trump does is stupid, immoral, illegal, or harmful to the country and the world, accurate reporting will reflect that. Calling that a "bias against Trump" is like saying the medical journals are biased against cancer. I am sure you still won't get it, but I tried. So be it.
I know Peter. Trump has never done anything right. Howe about getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace? If Obama did that, he would have gotten a second Nobel peace prize.
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I know Peter. Trump has never done anything right. Howe about getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace? If Obama did that, he would have gotten a second Nobel peace prize.
That's not what Peter said, Alan. He said 95%, not 100%. Even if you agree that Trump was responsible for "getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace" (which is highly debatable) that falls within the 5% of stuff he's done that's not corrupt, venal, disrespectful, hateful, illegal or harmful to America's (and the world's) interests.
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That's not what Peter said, Alan. He said 95%, not 100%. Even if you agree that Trump was responsible for "getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace" (which is highly debatable) that falls within the 5% of stuff he's done that's not corrupt, venal, disrespectful, hateful, illegal or harmful to America's (and the world's) interests.
More TDS. Sad.
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Once again Trump rewards his supporters in his unorthodox way, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521508-trump-turns-his-ire-toward-cabinet-members (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521508-trump-turns-his-ire-toward-cabinet-members). What a treat it must be to work for this guy.
Breaking news about Bin Laden, https://thehill.com/policy/defense/521511-trump-digs-in-on-conspiracy-theory-over-bin-laden-raid (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/521511-trump-digs-in-on-conspiracy-theory-over-bin-laden-raid), Trump may believe that Osama may still be alive. Perhaps he's in the same clandestine CIA hospital where they're keeping JFK and a few alien abductees and the landscaper from Roswell.
I guess that's just Trump exaggerating again. Turning that dignity of office thing on its head, one more time.
I'm beginning to formulate a theory that Q of QAnon may actually be a deep state troll bait project whose mission is to bring to the surface every crazy person in the US. It's devilishly clever, isn't it. Kind of like fly paper.
Am I mistaken or hasn't there been much criticism of those would-be kidnapper Michigan militia heroes? You'd think they'd at least want to distance themselves a little. I have seen a couple of headlines about how some Republicans running for office are distancing themselves from Trump.
Cue to Alan K., time to mention Hilary or Obama in reply, I think. You've been overusing the Bidens lately. ;)
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Am I mistaken or hasn't there been much criticism of those would-be kidnapper Michigan militia heroes? You'd think they'd at least want to distance themselves a little. I have seen a couple of headlines about how some Republicans running for office are distancing themselves from Trump.
Actually, I have been thinking about that quite a lot, but just as I reach some sort of clarity something else comes up and my attention is diverted. There's just so much else going on that a plot to kidnap a governor seems sort of like small potatoes. After all, we've got fifty of them. Perhaps things will pickup if the FBI starts scouring computer repair shops in Michigan to see if they can find one of those militia member's laptop. Then we'll be able to prove that Trump was running the operation out of his clubhouse up in Bedminster. I mean it's obvious. He tweeted "Liberate Michigan!". Sounds like a confession to me. But maybe he'll argue that it was just an order to nursing home administrators in Michigan to let all the patients out because his radiologist friend Scott Adams told him about herd immunity. I mean he could just say he was acting on medical advice. Maybe this is just a routine medical malpractice claim. Who knows? We'll just have to see.
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That's not what Peter said, Alan. He said 95%, not 100%. Even if you agree that Trump was responsible for "getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace" (which is highly debatable) that falls within the 5% of stuff he's done that's not corrupt, venal, disrespectful, hateful, illegal or harmful to America's (and the world's) interests.
He destroyed ISIS and killed its leader. He's making peace in Afghanistan and has kept peace in North Korea - they stop testing nukes and ICBM's. . He solidified our relationship with our Asian allies and pressed China regarding trade and stealing our commercial patents and secrets. He got NATO Europe to pay up more. He moved a division out of Germany to a better ally. He passed a tax bill that has helped our economy. He's lowered unemployment to its lowest level (before Covid). He moved our embassy to Israel political and historical capital. He pulled out of the giveaway Paris accord and stupid Iran deal and killed their general weakening the aims for taking over the ME. He helped make peace between Israel and two Arab countries opening up the whole ME to similar moves and making that area more peaceful for everyone. Meanwhile, Obama got the Nobel Peace prize for creating ISIS.
The problem is you only read or watch CNN and other anti-Trump media.
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Actually, I have been thinking about that quite a lot, but just as I reach some sort of clarity something else comes up and my attention is diverted. There's just so much else going on that a plot to kidnap a governor seems sort of like small potatoes. Perhaps things will pickup if the FBI starts scouring computer repair shops in Michigan to see if they can find one of those militia member's laptop. Then we'll be able to prove that Trump was running the operation out of his clubhouse up in Bedminster. I mean it's obvious. He tweeted "Liberate Michigan!". Sounds like a confession to me. But maybe he'll argue that instead it was an order to the nursing home administrators in Michigan to let all the patients out because his radiologist friend Scott Adams told him about herd immunity. I mean he could just say he was acting on medical advice. Maybe this is just a routine medical malpractice claim. Who knows? We'll just have to see.
Are you Q?
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Are you Q?
Funny you should ask. When I was growing up and watched James Bond movies, I never wanted to be James Bond. For starters, he was always making out with the girls, and I wasn't really into girls at the time. At that age, girls still had cooties. Anyway, one Christmas I got a James Bond briefcase, you know the one with the rubber knives that slid out of the ends when you turned the latches the wrong way. I thought that was the coolest thing. But James Bond didn't think that up. He was more into the physical stuff like beating up Odd Job and almost getting his nuts cut off by a laser beam. I was more interested in the intellectual side, so my hero was M. Do you remember all the stuff M did with James Bond's Aston Martin, you know like the ejection seat and the machine guns where the headlights were supposed to be? Awesome! So when my friends and I played James Bond adventures, I always pretended to be M. A real advantage to pretending to be M is no one ever shot at you and you never got cooties. The thing is as I grew older, so did M, until one day, M went to that big secret agent research and development department in the sky. So M was replaced by Q. I don't know how you feel about it, but I think Q is a dork. Initially, I felt a little insulted that you would even ask me if I were Q, but then I thought about it for a while and realized you probably didn't know how I felt, so everything is okay. But to answer your question, I am not Q, and I would never pretend to be. M is the man for me.
You know, something just struck me. Maybe you weren't thinking about James Bond at all. Maybe you were thinking about Star Trek - The Next Generation. If that is what you were thinking of, then I have never been so flattered in my life. I am definitely Q. Everybody wants to be Q. The best part about being Q is that you get to drive Captain Picard crazy, so crazy that he forgets to order his Earl Grey hot. It's hilarious. Fortunately, after about a dozen therapy sessions with Counselor Troi, he is able to remember to say "Engage" and they can get on with the next adventure. But it was touch and go there for a while. Yep, I am definitely Q. Nice to meet you.
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The Washington Post reports that Democrats are far out-raising the Republicans in the money race this year. I gave a few thousand dollars to candidates this year, mostly to Biden but also to Bullock and Hickenlooper, and when I got up this morning and opened my email, I had 111 new emails -- two from a friend with photos of deer in his yard, and 109 from Democratic politicians pleading for money. And yet, the WAPO says they're awash in cash. Quite a few of the pleas have headlines that are grossly misleading or simply lying. One had a headline that said, "It's over -- Joe Biden loses." When you look zt it, it's a plea for money for Texas congressional races, and I don't live in Texas, and had never heard of the candidates. I've got the ugly feeling that this might not go away after the election, as we now seem to be in a never-ending election cycle.
WAPO:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/18/democrats-stunning-fundraising/
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Say it ain't so. I thought for sure it is all true. Who do we believe?
Not the experts...never believe the experts. I've had great results listening to my barber for financial advice.
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The Washington Post reports that Democrats are far out-raising the Republicans in the money race this year.
I suspect quite a few major Republican donors ― not just those who might earlier have supported Trump, but also never-Trumpers and even some who are supporting Biden for the presidency ― have shifted their spending to Republican senate candidates in the hope of helping those whose chances of re-election are threatened by Trump's unpopularity. No doubt many traditional Republicans and conservatives are comfortable with the prospect of getting rid of Trump (he has never been as popular among Republican politicians as he has among Republican voters), but believe a Democratic senate would be a catastrophe.
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The problem is you only read or watch CNN and other anti-Trump media.
The problem is, according to you, ALL the media are anti-Trump media.
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Funny you should ask. When I was growing up and watched James Bond movies, I never wanted to be James Bond. For starters, he was always making out with the girls, and I wasn't really into girls at the time. At that age, girls still had cooties. Anyway, one Christmas I got a James Bond briefcase, you know the one with the rubber knives that slid out of the ends when you turned the latches the wrong way. I thought that was the coolest thing. But James Bond didn't think that up. He was more into the physical stuff like beating up Odd Job and almost getting castrated by a laser beam. I was more interested in the intellectual side, so my hero was M. Do you remember all the stuff M did with James Bond's Aston Martin, you know like the ejection seat and the machine guns where the headlights were supposed to be? Awesome! So when my friends and I played James Bond adventures, I always pretended to be M. A real advantage to pretending to be M is no one ever shot at you and you never got cooties. The thing is as I grew older, so did M, until one day, M went to that big secret agent research and development department in the sky. So M was replaced by Q. I don't know how you feel about it, but I think Q is a dork. Initially, I felt a little insulted that you would even ask me if I were Q, but then I thought about it for a while and realized you probably didn't know how I felt, so everything is okay. But to answer your question, I am not Q, and I would never pretend to be. M is the man for me.
You know, something just struck me. Maybe you weren't thinking about James Bond at all. Maybe you were thinking about Star Trek - The Next Generation. If that is what you were thinking of, then I have never been so flattered in my life. I am definitely Q. Everybody wants to be Q. The best part about being Q is that you get to drive Captain Picard crazy, so crazy that he forgets to order his Earl Grey hot. It's hilarious. Fortunately, after about a dozen therapy sessions with Counselor Troi, he is able to remember to say "Engage" and they can get on with the next adventure. But it was touch and go there for a while. Yep, I am definitely Q. Nice to meet you.
Apologies. Didn't mean to limit you to a single letter.
The last Bond I saw starred Roger Moore, so I don't really know my M's from my Q's. And although I was fond of the original Star Trek series the first time round when I was in high school, I never warmed up to the later re-incarnations so even though I know who Picard is, I don't get that Q reference either. Was Q one of the Borg, by any chance? Friends of mine poke fun at me because I don't know much about the Star Wars saga either.
But I like your political theories. They're starting to make sense to me. Is that good or bad?
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Trump made some news today because he said something about leaving the country if Biden wins. My first thought was that might bring out the Biden vote like nothing else. :)
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Trump made some news today because he said something about leaving the country if Biden wins. My first thought was that might bring out the Biden vote like nothing else. :)
Leaving country for Mexico?
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The last Bond I saw starred Roger Moore, so I don't really know my M's from my Q's. And although I was fond of the original Star Trek series the first time round when I was in high school, I never warmed up to the later re-incarnations so even though I know who Picard is, I don't get that Q reference either. Was Q one of the Borg, by any chance? Friends of mine poke fun at me because I don't know much about the Star Wars saga either.
Info on Q here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(Star_Trek)
But you really have to watch the first Q episode - Encounter at Farpoint - to get the flavor of the character.
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Leaving country for Mexico?
Can he climb the wall?
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Further testimony to how far the ‘off-the-wall’ loons will go to.
Fauci, a lifelong runner, also revealed that he has switched to power walking because he has to be accompanied by a security detail — the result of ongoing death threats and harassment.
“That’s sad,” Fauci said. “The very fact that a public health message to save lives triggers such venom and animosity to me that it results in real and credible threats to my life and my safety. But it bothers me less than the hassling of my wife and my children.”
(From WaPo and and an interview on 60 minutes)
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Further testimony to how far the ‘off-the-wall’ loons will go to.
Unfortunately, not only in USA. There are idiots and hateful deplorables everywhere.
In Canada, the BC's top doctor Bonnie Henry received abuse, death threats during COVID-19 response.
British Columbia’s top doctor said she’s received death threats in her role as a public figure during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry told a panel discussion at the annual convention of the Union of B.C. Municipalities that she’s had to have security in her home and has been targeted by people who don’t agree with her.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/09/22/bcs-top-doctor-says-shes-received-abuse-death-threats-during-covid-19-response.html
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Trump thinks that the Justice Department are his own personal attack lawyers, https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/521570-juan-williams-trumps-search-for-dirt-falls-flat (https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/521570-juan-williams-trumps-search-for-dirt-falls-flat).
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... In Canada, the BC's top doctor Bonnie Henry received abuse, death threats during COVID-19 response...
Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.
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Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.
That might be because there isn't anything in her position that should invite death threats. ;)
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It’s a brand new week, so it’s back to the newsfeed for updates. Apparently, the commie/lib media, not to mention the FBI, are continuing their coverup because I’m not finding anything other than one article covering Trump’s rally yesterday in I’ve forgotten where in which Trump referred to Hunter, Joe, and the rest of the gang as “the Biden crime family”. Not surprisingly, the crowd went completely apeshit and started chanting “lock her up”. But Trump was really on his toes and corrected them to say “lock them up”. So everyone in red hats looked around kind of sheepishly to see if anyone saw them chanting “lock her up”, shrugged their shoulders, and then went completely apeshit again, this time with the correct chant. Trump basks in glory.
With nothing left to lose I trekked on over to Infowars for an update on the story about Hunter Biden sexually abusing underage Chinese girls. God answered my prayers. They didn't have a link to the aforementioned sex tape. It was just way too early in the morning to have to watch that. However, they did have three or four salacious headlines, but the links only lead to video feeds of Alex Jones saying all manner of things which you are free to believe if you like. The first video I cued up had a two minute infomercial for kava, whatever that is. Maybe it is an energy pill like Underdog takes which makes Trump’s supporters’ apeshit frenzies even more frenetic, or apeshitic. Sorry guys, but I am done with Infowars.
Meanwhile, across America, undecideds are looking on in horror at this dystopian landscape, and thinking if they vote for Biden, maybe they can make this nightmare go away. Ever the optimists.
Anybody got anything that doesn’t have a two minute infomercial for kava, or are we done here?
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It’s a brand new week, so it’s back to the newsfeed for updates. Apparently, the commie/lib media is continuing its coverup because I’m not finding anything other than one article covering Trump’s rally yesterday in I’ve forgotten where in which Trump referred to them as “the Biden crime family”. Not surprisingly, the crowd goes completely apeshit and starts chanting “lock her up”. But Trump is really on his toes and corrects them to say “lock them up”. So everyone in red hats looks around kind of sheepishly to see if anyone saw them chanting “lock her up” and kind of shrug their shoulders, and then go completely apeshit again, this time with the correct chant. Trump basks in glory.
With nothing left to lose I trek on over to Infowars for an update on the story about Hunter Biden sexually abusing underage Chinese girls. There are three or four salacious headlines, but the links only lead to video feeds of Alex Jones saying all manner of things which you are free to believe if you like. The first video I cue up has a two minute infomercial for kava, whatever that is. Maybe it is an energy pill like Underdog takes which will make Trump’s supporters’ apeshit frenzies even more frenetic, or apeshitic. Sorry guys, but I am done with Infowars.
Anybody got anything that doesn’t have a two minute infomercial for kava, or are we done here?
Oh no, I think we are just getting started but your mileage may vary. Since the MSM is in pure cover up mode perhaps you need to go elsewhere for more news.
You may not like Breitbart but there is a lot there.
https://www.breitbart.com/tag/hunter-biden/
BTW look at todays OP ED by Andrew McCarthy..
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/521637-hunter-bidens-laptop-a-russian-trick-a-hack-job-or-just-what-it-looks
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Thanks for the links. I have a doctors appointment to attend to, but I'll read those links when I get back.
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I know Peter. Trump has never done anything right. Howe about getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace? If Obama did that, he would have gotten a second Nobel peace prize.
It looks like peace with Israel continues to break out in the Middle East. Pretty soon the whole Middle East will be breaking matzah together. Trump will be up for another Nobel as the NY Times and Washington Post proclaim his fame in page 1 headlines. ::)
Israel, Bahrain sign deal establishing formal ties
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel and Bahrain on Sunday agreed to establish formal diplomatic relations, making the small Gulf country the fourth Arab state to normalize ties with Israel.
The U.S.-brokered agreement capped a one-day visit by a high-level delegation of American and Israeli officials to Bahrain.
Bahrain joined the United Arab Emirates at a festive White House ceremony last month marking the “Abraham Accords,” a pair of U.S.-brokered diplomatic pacts with Israel. While the UAE’s deal with Israel formally established ties, the agreement with Bahrain was less detailed and included a mutual pledge to follow suit.
Sunday’s visit appeared to complete that task, clearing the way for the countries to open embassies and exchange ambassadors in the coming months.
“It was indeed an historic visit, to start opening relations between both countries, to have fruitful bilateral relations in both fields,” said Bahrain’s foreign minister, Abdullatif al-Zayani, at the signing ceremony.
U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s national security adviser, Meir Ben-Shabbat, led the delegations.
https://apnews.com/article/bahrain-israel-saudi-arabia-benjamin-netanyahu-manama-c096793c544ab25568286bbcb2e9c3af
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It looks like peace with Israel continues to break out in the Middle East. Pretty soon the whole Middle East will be breaking matzah together. Trump will be up for another Nobel as the NY Times and Washington Post proclaim his fame in page 1 headlines. ::)
I don't recall Bahrain playing a big role in the Middle East wars of the past 70 years. Pretty soon Trump will be brokering a peace treaty between Togo and the Faroe Islands and useful idiots will be singing his praises.
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Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.
Dr. Bonnie Henry is a very sweet lady responsible for handling Covid-19 activities in British Columbia. You would think she'd be the last person receiving death threats.
Bonnie Henry FRCPC (born 1965/1966)[1] is a Canadian physician who is the Provincial Health Officer for British Columbia, the first woman in this position. Henry is also a clinical associate professor at the University of British Columbia. She was a family doctor and is a specialist in public health and preventive medicine (also known as community medicine).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry
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That's not what Peter said, Alan. He said 95%, not 100%. Even if you agree that Trump was responsible for "getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace"[/i] (which is highly debatable) that falls within the 5% of stuff he's done that's not corrupt, venal, disrespectful, hateful, illegal or harmful to America's (and the world's) interests.
Why do you hate Trump so much as a Western Canadian?
See my last post. Why can't you even give him credit for helping with peace in the Middle East? When you refuse to see anything he does as positive, it just makes your whole position as suspicious and biased even with things that you can show as negative. You're like the boy who cried "wolf". I wonder how many Americans discount all the bile against him because it seems like people yelling "wolf" all the time. Maybe that's why so many things don't stick to him. You overdo it.
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The Washington Post reports that Democrats are far out-raising the Republicans in the money race this year. I gave a few thousand dollars to candidates this year, mostly to Biden but also to Bullock and Hickenlooper, and when I got up this morning and opened my email, I had 111 new emails -- two from a friend with photos of deer in his yard, and 109 from Democratic politicians pleading for money. And yet, the WAPO says they're awash in cash. Quite a few of the pleas have headlines that are grossly misleading or simply lying. One had a headline that said, "It's over -- Joe Biden loses." When you look zt it, it's a plea for money for Texas congressional races, and I don't live in Texas, and had never heard of the candidates. I've got the ugly feeling that this might not go away after the election, as we now seem to be in a never-ending election cycle.
WAPO:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/18/democrats-stunning-fundraising/
Now that Democrats are getting more campaign money than Republicans, I find it interesting that you don't hear Democrats complaining anymore about how money in politics corrupts it. I haven't heard Citizens United uttered once in months since Democrat billionaire businessman Bloomberg promised to spend $100 million securing Florida for Biden. I'm sure he'll never ask for favors from Biden or the Democratic party. He's doing it all out of the generosity in his heart. What a guy!
Do you see any hypocrisy in all of this?
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Why do you hate Trump so much as a Western Canadian?
He cheats and lies universally and transparently.
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I hate the money in politics and how money = votes. I'm officially an independent but definitely voting Democrat this time around.
I really want to see some real campaign finance reform once we have Democrats in power and I'll be adding to any pressures I can to help push it along.
It almost feels dirty to have to participate just in hopes that my preferred candidates will do something about it.
But this is currently the game to be played to get elected, as distasteful as it is.
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Not the experts...never believe the experts. I've had great results listening to my barber for financial advice.
A word of caution about taking stock market advice.
JFK’s father and the helpful shoeshine boy
I mentioned that there isn’t anyone who rings a bell for us at the top to tell us that it’s time to sell.
That isn’t fully accurate, because there are always signs.
The trouble with those signs is that while they are very obvious with the benefit of hindsight, they aren’t so easy to see in real time.
In 1929, JFK’s father Joseph Kennedy Sr. picked up on one of those subtle signs and didn’t just get out at the top, he scored a massive windfall on the way down as well.
Like for virtually anyone invested in the stock market, the 1920s were good to Joseph Kennedy Sr. How could they not be, all you had to do was buy all the stock you could and watch it go up.
After having made a bundle owning stocks in the roaring bull market of the 1920’s, Joe Kennedy Sr. found himself needing to get his shoes polished up.
While sitting in the shoeshine chair, Kennedy Sr. was alarmed to have the shoeshine boy gift him with several tips on which stocks he should own — yes, a shoeshine boy playing the stock market.
This unsolicited advice resulted in a life-changing moment for Kennedy Sr. who promptly went back to his office and started unloading his stock portfolio.
In fact, he didn’t just get out of the market, he aggressively shorted it — and got filthy rich because of it during the epic crash that soon followed.
They don’t ring bells at the top, but apparently when shoeshine boys start giving stock advice it is time to head for the exits.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-spot-stock-market-bubbles-2017-10
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Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.
She claimed it was just that she was a female that partly invited the threats:
Henry said she believes it’s partly due to her status as a woman in a high-profile position, and that people feel comfortable targeting her in ways they would not necessarily do to male leaders.
“I sense that people find that it’s OK to do that for a woman who’s up front more so than some of our male leaders. But I could be wrong,” she said.
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That might be because there isn't anything in her position that should invite death threats. ;)
You didn't read the article did you? :)
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I don't recall Bahrain playing a big role in the Middle East wars of the past 70 years. Pretty soon Trump will be brokering a peace treaty between Togo and the Faroe Islands and useful idiots will be singing his praises.
The Saudis are very close to an public agreement with Israel. They're already doing security stuff, but quietly. After Egypt which made peace with Israel years ago, they're the biggest. If that happens, Trump will be up for his third Nobel. :)
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Dr. Bonnie Henry is a very sweet lady responsible for handling Covid-19 activities in British Columbia. You would think she'd be the last person receiving death threats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry
Are you sure those aren't former Americans who left the US after Trump became president 4 years ago?
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You didn't read the article did you? :)
I think he did. Being a women in a superior position doesn't warrant having death threats.
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...I really want to see some real campaign finance reform ...
Agreed, Matt. IMHO, this is the key that will unlock the door to better days.
In the past, it was illegal to make direct financial contributions to politicians. The current situation has gone from "One man, one vote" to "One dollar, one vote".
Interesting BG here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_in_the_United_States
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He cheats and lies universally and transparently.
I don't like a lot of world leaders whose personal habits are a lot worse than Trump's. But I don't get carried away with them. Even the nicest politicians lie all the time or spin the truth and make you dizzy. But why Trump? An American?
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I hate the money in politics and how money = votes. I'm officially an independent but definitely voting Democrat this time around.
I really want to see some real campaign finance reform once we have Democrats in power and I'll be adding to any pressures I can to help push it along.
It almost feels dirty to have to participate just in hopes that my preferred candidates will do something about it.
But this is currently the game to be played to get elected, as distasteful as it is.
Why would Democrats push campaign finance reform when they're doing better at it now than the Republicans? You see, the problem is you believed them when they were opposed to it when it only was about their jealousy when the Republicans did better at it.
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I don't like a lot of world leaders whose personal habits are a lot worse than Trump's. But I don't get carried away with them. Even the nicest politicians lie all the time or spin the truth and make you dizzy. But why Trump? An American?
Nobody likes a bad neighbor.
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Nobody likes a bad neighbor.
Well, your guy wore black face three times which is pretty dumb, childish, and racist. But he's your problem and I can't do anything about it anyway since I don't vote in Canada. In any case, why get feverish about it and take it so personally obsessed with Trump?
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I don't like a lot of world leaders whose personal habits are a lot worse than Trump's.
So? That doesn't exonerate Trump. Surely you hold your own leader to a higher standard than, I dunno, the leaders of NK, Russia, Saudi Arabia, The Philippines?
Even the nicest politicians lie all the time or spin the truth and make you dizzy.
That's an unsupportable rash generalization. Politicians certainly spin the truth to their own advantage, but they don't "all the time" lie so transparently or so repeatedly as Trump. Transparent lies damage everything, especially credibility. What we need most of all from our leaders is credibility. Trump's is near-zero.
He even undercut his own health experts on COVID. He lied to you, (and all of us) directly, intentionally, and continually. Thousands died as a result. Don't you find that disturbing?
But why Trump? An American?
He's the so-called "Leader of the Free World". What he does and says affects everyone and everything on the planet.
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The Saudis are very close to an public agreement with Israel. They're already doing security stuff, but quietly. After Egypt which made peace with Israel years ago, they're the biggest. If that happens, Trump will be up for his third Nobel. :)
Wake me up when he brokers peace between people who are actually at war.
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It looks like peace with Israel continues to break out in the Middle East. Pretty soon the whole Middle East will be breaking matzah together. Trump will be up for another Nobel as the NY Times and Washington Post proclaim his fame in page 1 headlines. ::
I thought this Bahrain deal happened shortly after the UAE deal. Was this just the official handshake?
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Why do you hate Trump so much as a Western Canadian?
Actually, Eastern Canadians have the same opinion about Trump as the Western Canadians.
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So? That doesn't exonerate Trump. Surely you hold your own leader to a higher standard than, I dunno, the leaders of NK, Russia, Saudi Arabia, The Philippines?
That's an unsupportable rash generalization. Politicians certainly spin the truth to their own advantage, but they don't "all the time" lie so transparently or so repeatedly as Trump. Transparent lies damage everything, especially credibility. What we need most of all from our leaders is credibility. Trump's is near-zero.
He even undercut his own health experts on COVID. He lied to you, (and all of us) directly, intentionally, and continually. Thousands died as a result. Don't you find that disturbing?
He's the so-called "Leader of the Free World". What he does and says affects everyone and everything on the planet.
Many of our previous "leaders of the free world" were feckless and let the world take advantage of them like fools. Trump fights back which is why foreigners don't like him. But we don't care because you don't vote here. The president of the US represents Americans not the world. Obama wanted to be loved by the world and gave away the store. Trump will cut your hand off before he lets you do it.
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I thought this Bahrain deal happened shortly after the UAE deal. Was this just the official handshake?
Jeez, Frank, are you trying to say you don't remember the day the guns fell silent in Bahrain?
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Wake me up when he brokers peace between people who are actually at war.
Would it ruin your day to say something nice that Trump did? :)
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Would it ruin your day to say something nice that Trump did? :)
No, if only I could think of something.
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I thought this Bahrain deal happened shortly after the UAE deal. Was this just the official handshake?
You didn't read the article, did you?
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Actually, Eastern Canadians have the same opinion about Trump as the Western Canadians.
Yeah, but you can make a joke about it. It seems Western Canadians are obsessive about it. It keeps them up nights. Eh?
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Many of our previous "leaders of the free world" were feckless and let the world take advantage of them like fools. Trump fights back which is why foreigners don't like him. But we don't care because you don't vote here. The president of the US represents Americans not the world. Obama wanted to be loved by the world and gave away the store. Trump will cut your hand off before he lets you do it.
Really...what exactly did Trump do with his bully tactics that actually helped the US? Last I seen, the trade deficit with China has grown during the Trump years...not shrunk. Looks like North Korea is flaunting their latest greatest missiles. Looks like Putin has Trump on a set of puppet strings.
OH...I know...he built the wall and saved America from an invasion of poor immigrants. Wait...no he did not build the wall either.
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Yeah, but you can make a joke about it. It seems Western Canadians are obsessive about it. It keeps them up nights. Eh?
Wrong, I'm from Western Canada and I find the entire political system being played out in the States right now a good joke just watching Trump twist and squirm as the noose tightens around his neck.
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Well, your guy wore black face three times which is pretty dumb, childish, and racist. But he's your problem and I can't do anything about it anyway since I don't vote in Canada. In any case, why get feverish about it and take it so personally obsessed with Trump?
I think because their guy isn't currently a train wreck, even if he has made mistakes in the past. And when those mistakes came to light he apologized and acknowledged the harm they could bring, even if he didn't intend that. That's maturity and leadership.
45 on the other hand is currently a train wreck that might engulf the whole region or beyond in the flaming wreckage. Any of his many mistakes being pointed out have been denied, deflected, or blamed on someone else. That's juvenile and dangerous.
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Really...what exactly did Trump do with his bully tactics that actually helped the US? Last I seen, the trade deficit with China has grown during the Trump years...not shrunk. Looks like North Korea is flaunting their latest greatest missiles. Looks like Putin has Trump on a set of puppet strings.
OH...I know...he built the wall and saved America from an invasion of poor immigrants. Wait...no he did not build the wall either.
The negative trade increased with China because of Covid and will continue getting worse. The problem long predates Trump as we gave our manufacturing up to them, something he complained about long before he became president and it trying to correct. Whoever wins the election is going to have hell in 2021 as our economy and the world's crap out totally. Frankly, the loser is going to be glad he lost.
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Now that's interesting.
DNI Ratcliffe: Hunter Biden Emails, Laptop ‘Not Part of Some Russian Disinformation Campaign’
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Monday said Hunter Biden’s recovered laptop and emails, which purportedly show Joe Biden had involvement in his son’s foreign business dealings, are “not part of some Russian disinformation campaign.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dni-ratcliffe-hunter-biden-emails-laptop-not-part-of-some-russian-disinformation-campaign/
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But we don't care because you don't vote here.
Perhaps you mis-read the part where I said that what he says or does affects the entire world.
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The negative trade increased with China because of Covid and will continue getting worse. The problem long predates Trump as we gave our manufacturing up to them, something he complained about long before he became president and it trying to correct. Whoever wins the election is going to have hell in 2021 as our economy and the world's crap out totally. Frankly, the loser is going to be glad he lost.
So Trump accomplished squat during his 4 years.
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Dr. Bonnie Henry is a very sweet lady responsible for handling Covid-19 activities in British Columbia. You would think she'd be the last person receiving death threats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry
Again, totally irrelevant for my question.
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Perhaps you mis-read the part where I said that what he says or does affects the entire world.
I think he knows that but doesn't care because American lives are worth more than other folks.
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I think he knows that but doesn't care because American lives are worth more than other folks.
If the British PM didn't defend your interests, you ought to throw him out.
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Again, totally irrelevant for my question.
Your original question was " still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats".
To be honest, I am also at a loss what invited death threats, since she is such a calm and pleasant lady. Could have been her law orders about wearing masks and practice social distancing. Maybe in the future, she should stick just to recommending Lysol and other household cleaners.
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So my dermatologist has given me the all clear, and I have had time to read the opinion piece in the Hill you linked to above. Andrew McCarthy is certainly bright and has a good CV, and I agree with a lot of what he said generally about how evidence is and should be treated. After all, he is an attorney and knows the rules of evidence. Nothing very controversial in the preambulatory part of the piece. I will note in passing that he writes for the National Review and is a Fox News contributor. Peter Schweizer whom he refers to writes for Beitbart.
Then I read this paragraph:
"As we’ve noted, though, first and foremost in any authenticity examination is the item itself. Here, we have thousands of Biden photographs and videos that plainly appear to be real. The emails make contextual sense, and they fit what is known about Hunter Biden’s business activity (about which a great deal of investigative journalism has been done, most effectively by Peter Schweizer). According to Fox News, one unidentified participant in an email about Hunter’s Chinese business dealings has acknowledged the email’s authenticity."
He says "here were have", not that he has actually seen and reviewed, thousands of photos and videos and emails. And he further qualifies his statement by saying they "plainly appear to be". He also says Fox News has verified one of them, out of thousands. If he has seen them, say so. If someone told him they exist, who was it? If he has, or has access, to them, produce them. I would like to see the photos, videos, and emails. Seems like a fair request. Remember about the Trump pee-pee tape. I thought it was too far fetched. I really needed to see it to believe it. It never appeared. In addition, seeing the actual laptop and hard drive would help. The only things I have seen so far, at least that I can remember, are screen grabs of two emails, and a photo of the back of a napkin.
McCarthy is a lawyer, so I will use a trial analogy. What we have here is the prosecutor's opening statement, where he tells the jury all the stuff he's going to prove during the course of the trial. He doesn't actually show them any evidence yet, he just tells them what's he is going to show them later. Then the defense gets to make its opening statement, and tells the jury that all that stuff the prosecutor said, and said he'll show you, is a pack of lies. The judge doesn't give the jury the case after the opening statements; he waits until all the evidence has actually been presented. Then the jury gets to decide if it believes any of it, because everyone knows that lawyers will lie through their teeth to win a case, and all the witnesses are either being bribed or blackmailed. Not only that, it is so fucking complicated nobody could possibly ever figure it out anyway. So a lot of the time the jury decides that it is not sure the defendant really did it, but he looks like a snake, so they give him a three year suspended sentence. After everything is over, the lawyers put all their papers back in their briefcases, and shake hands, and say they hope to see each other again on another case. If it is the secret handshake, it's an agreement neither will appeal. And then there is a commercial for Geritol.
At least that's what happens on Perry Mason. What they don't show you on Perry Mason is what occurs before the trial even begins. It is called the discovery phase. The reason they don't show you the discovery phase is because it is so mind-numbingly tedious and boring and time consuming, that if they showed it to you, you would probably change the channel. If you have read much Kafka, you’ll have an inkling of what I am taking about. Anyway, what you do during discovery is obviously to try to discover stuff, often for years, so that when it's your turn, you can show the jury what you discovered. But the really bummer part about discovery is that each side has to show the other side all the stuff that they are going to use to prove what the defendant did or didn't do. And to add insult to injury, you have to show the other side all the stuff that actually hurts your case. That's so there are no surprises at trial. And that's the difference is between Perry Mason and real life. In real life, Paul Drake doesn't slink into the courtroom and hand Perry a slip of paper during cross-examination, and Perry doesn't make the witness break down and cry, and confess that it is all fake news. In real life, thanks to discovery, Perry already knows what is on that slip of paper even before the trial begins. Not only that, but in real life, Perry has been in training, practicing his witness badgering skills, so he is in peak condition when the trial rolls around. The other thing is, thanks to discovery, the witness also knows what's on that slip of paper, so when Perry starts down that line of questioning and is really going in for the kill, the witness cries uncle to spare himself the humiliation of breaking down and crying in front of everybody. When that happens, two scenes unfold in the courtroom: first, smoke starts coming out of Perry's ears because he's miffed that he spent all that time practicing his witness badgering skills and the witness wimped out on him, and second, the prosecutor starts grimacing and futzing with his paper clips, and chastising himself for being so stupid as to even call that witness to begin with. Experienced attorneys usually settle cases rather than try them because they get really tired of going through all of that rigmarole. But every once is a while you get a psychotic client who's really rich and is willing to spend millions of dollars to make that fast food joint honor his coupon for two for the price of one apple pies even though it has expired, in which case the only solace for the attorney is that he can now afford to buy that new Mercedes with all the bells and whistles he has been eyeing at the car lot down the street. And, really, it's not that much solace. Did I mention about Kafka?
I hate to break it to you, but we aren't even at the discovery phase. The prosecutor is trying the case in the press to try to taint the jury pool, and hoping and praying that all the stuff the private detective told him is true. And he is not sharing any of the evidence with the defense because, frankly, he hasn't had time to go through all the thousands of emails, photos, and videos to figure out if there even is any evidence because he just got the stuff a couple of days ago. So far, he's found screen grabs of two emails and a photo of the back of a napkin.
News Alert: The New York Post has just published two photos from its treasure trove of thousands. One is a photo of Hunter and Beau with their arms on each other's shoulders, smiling and looking like pals. The other is a photo of Hunter lying on a towel on the beach. He is wearing a really fetching pair of swim trunks. A woman in a bikini is giving him a kiss. I guess they are pals too. No word yet on whether the woman is Mata Hari. And, as best as I can tell, she is not an underage Chinese girl. But who knows? Maybe if I had a bigger magnifying glass I could tell she is in disguise.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
I read quite a few Breitbart articles. For example, the Ian Hanchett article quotes White House spokesman Jason Miller as saying Trump is going to ask Biden about this stuff at the debate. Boy, there's a revelation. Won't Biden be surprised. Trump will probably fire Miller for showing his cards. It seems to me if you already have the stuff you would probably lay it out there and let everybody see it, and then say game, set, match. I doubt Trump is going to bring a briefcase full of the photos and emails, and a projector to show the videos, to the debate, so it will probably be a lot of "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of questions. The John Nolte article says Biden is hiding in his basement. Nothing new there either. Everyone knows Biden has been hiding in his basement hoping Trump will self-destruct. The strategy seems to be working so far so why change now? The Hannah Bleau article says that if Schiff is lying, he'll be in trouble, except that he is a congressman, so he won't. That's informative. It also says that Ratclliff, Trump's DNI, told Fox News the Biden story is not Russian disinformation. No surprise there. What would you expect him to say? He is Trump's lackey and doesn't have any intelligence experience, so he may not be the most credible guy on the issue. Has he actually seen the thousands of photos, emails and videos? I bet Fox forgot to ask him that. So maybe Schiff is lying or maybe Ratliff is lying. Fielder's choice. In the Jeff Poor article, he repeats the same story about Ratclliff telling Fox News that the story isn't Russian disinformation. So I heard. No reason not to repeat it for emphasis though.
In the Pam Key article, she says Ron Johnson wants to call the FBI in to testify to whichever Senate Committee he is on. That actually sounds like a good idea. I think Ron Johnson earlier said he was going to call Zuckerburg and Dorsey in. Fine by me. As I suggested before, Ron Johnson also might want to call in the computer repair guy since he is in a pretty good position to tell us all about what's on the copy of the hard drive he made, and all the rest of the stuff in the New York Post article, and in that hoax guy's blog you quoted here a couple of days ago. This one is kind of a headscratcher to me. Why not call the guy that actually knows something? And why not call in Giuliani? He supposedly knows stuff, and it will provide some comic relief. Have you actually ever had to sit through one of those Senate hearings? The senators on both sides of the aisle spend about a week with opening statements, and then spend about fifteen minutes asking the witness questions, which the witness says he doesn't understand and couldn't remember the answer to even if he did. In another Pam Key article, she said that Don. Jr. said that the Democrats and the media were suppressing the Hunter Biden story. Holy shit, did Don Jr. really say that? Remarkable reporting. Is a Pulitzer in the offing? The Matthew Boyle article said Hunter Biden's former partner who is in jail serving time for fraud gave Peter Schweizer access to 26,000 of his emails with Hunter Biden. That should be interesting when Schweizer gets around to going through them to see what, if anything, is there. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
I could go through the rest of the articles but I really don't want to spend the time until the laptop, the hard drive, and the thousands of photos, videos, and emails are produced, and we actually have something to talk about. As Tom Cruise said in Jerry Macguire: "Show me the money." Until then, it's mostly gums flapping. Or is that lips flapping? I always get those confused.
As far as the commie/lib media goes, until the FBI releases the laptop, and the New York Post shares the hard drive, or at least the thousands of photos, emails, and videos, I'm not sure what there is to investigate. I remember that a while back there was this senator who said he had a list of communist sympathizers in his briefcase. Reporters asked him if they could take a look at it. He said no, the list was staying in the briefcase. So the reporters said okay, and went back to this pandemic story they were working on. Nevertheless, the senator issued a press release saying it was all a big media coverup. Then the senator held some rallies, and all of the senator's supporters went batshit crazy, and began chanting "lock them up". Everyone was having a grand old time until some of the supporters died because no one was wearing a mask. Hey, shit happens. It is what it is. Will history repeat itself?
I don’t know where this story is going. Perhaps it is all true. I just know that wherever it is going we are not there yet. We haven't even started. And there are only two weeks to go before the election. I'm pretty sure the commie/lib media can stall at least that long. And Biden only has to come out of the basement for one ninety minute debate. He won't have to come out at all if Trump bails again because Kristen Welker won't ask him any foreign policy questions. He is really itching to brag that he has achieved peace in our time because Israel has entered into some agreements with a couple of countries most people have never heard of and couldn't find on a map if their life depended on it. I mean if he can't brag about that, he is not going to waste his time on a debate. Even if it means he can't ask Biden when he stopped beating his wife. So I guess we will just see where all this goes.
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I read the opinion piece in the Hill you linked to above. Andrew McCarthy is certainly bright and has a good CV, and I agreed with a lot of what guy said generally about how evidence is and should be treated. I will note in passing that he writes for the National Review and is a Fox News contributor. Peter Schweizer whom he refers to writes for Beitbart.
Then I read this paragraph:
"As we’ve noted, though, first and foremost in any authenticity examination is the item itself. Here, we have thousands of Biden photographs and videos that plainly appear to be real. The emails make contextual sense, and they fit what is known about Hunter Biden’s business activity (about which a great deal of investigative journalism has been done, most effectively by Peter Schweizer). According to Fox News, one unidentified participant in an email about Hunter’s Chinese business dealings has acknowledged the email’s authenticity."
He says there are, not that he has actually seen, thousands of photos and videos and emails. If he has seen them, say so. If someone told them they exist, who was it? I would like to see the photos, videos, and emails. Seems like a fair request. Remember about the Trump pee-pee tape. I thought it was too far fetched. I really needed to see it to believe it. It never appeared. In addition, seeing the actual laptop and hard drive would help. The only things I have seen so far, at least that I can remember, are screen grabs of two emails, and a photo of the back of a napkin.
I read quite a few Breitbart articles. For example, the Ian Hanchett article quotes White House spokesman Jason Miller as saying Trump is going to ask Biden about this stuff at the debate. Boy, there'a revelation. It seems to me if you all ready have the stuff you would probably lay it out there and let everybody see it, and then say game, set, match. I doubt Trump is going to bring a briefcase full of the photos and emails, and a projector to show the videos to the debate, so it will probably be a lot of when did you stop beating your wife kind of questions. The John Nolte article says Biden is hiding in his basement. Nothing new there either. The Hannah Bleau article says that if Schiff is lying, he'd be in trouble, except that he is a congressman so he's not. It also says that Ratliff, Trump's DNI, told Fox News the Biden story is not Russian disinformation. No surprise there. What would you expect him to say? He doesn't have any intelligence experience, so he may not be the most credible guy on the issue. So maybe Schiff is lying or Ratliff is lying. Fielder's choice. In the Jeff Poor article, he repeats the same story about Ratliff telling Fox News that the story isn't Russian disinformation. In the Pam Key article, she says Ron Johnson wants to call the FBI in to testify to whichever Senate Committee he is on. That actually sounds like a good idea. I think Ron Johnson earlier said he was going to call Zuckerburg and Dorsey in. Fine by me. As I suggested before, Ron Johnson also might want to call in the computer repair guy since he is in a pretty good position to tell us all about what's on the copy of the hard drive he made, and all the rest of the stuff in the New York Post article, and in that Courtney guy's blog article you quoted here a couple of days ago. In the Pam Key article, she said that Don. Jr. said that the Democrats and the media were suppressing the Hunter Biden story. Holy shit, did he really say that? The Matthew Boyle article said Hunter Biden's former partner who is in jail gave Peter Schweizer access to 26,000 emails with Hunter Biden. That should be interesting when Schweizer gets around to going through them to see what, if anything, is there. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
I could go through the rest of the articles but I really don't want to spend the time until the laptop, the hard drive, and the thousands of photos, videos, and emails are actually produced.
There's enough evidence that Biden and his son had dealings with China and Ukraine at a time when Hunter made millions from apparently questionable deals supported and protected by his VP father. Certainly, there's enough information for mainstream media to investigate. But they aren't because they are protecting Biden for the election and have their thumbs on the scale.
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... Could have been her law orders about wearing masks and practice social distancing....
If so, only life imprisonment would be appropriate, not death, since I consider lockdowns and mask mandates a grave crime against humanity.
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If so, only life imprisonment would be appropriate, not death, since I consider lockdowns and mask mandates a grave crime against humanity.
Don't worry, everyone knew where you were headed with this.
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If so, only life imprisonment would be appropriate, not death, since I consider lockdowns and mask mandates a grave crime against humanity.
Anyway, this was not so much about the good doctor but rather to show that we have here also a fair share of bullies and deplorables.
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I consider lockdowns and mask mandates a grave crime against humanity.
Viewed from a different perspective of public health, rather than an individual's assertion of an inherent right to acquire and spread a new and highly contagious deadly virus without limitation or restriction, mitigation efforts could be seen as a temporary disaster response for the safety of the general public during a pandemic.
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Viewed from a different perspective of public health, rather than an individual's assertion of an inherent right to acquire and spread a new and highly contagious deadly virus without limitation or restriction, mitigation efforts could be seen as a temporary disaster response for the safety of the general public during a pandemic.
Sweden didn't think so.
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If so, only life imprisonment would be appropriate, not death, since I consider lockdowns and mask mandates a grave crime against humanity.
Your (alleged) 'humanitarian' freedoms end where they violate my freedoms.
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LOL
I have had enough of this bull shit.
A 74 year old fat man catches Covid and is back to work 3 days later. If you seriously are still terrified of this and not over 65 with pre-existing conditions, you are the problem right now. Cower in your basement if you feel that way, but I am not, and have not been, concerned about this for months at this point.
I'd rather get arrested than deal with more lock downs (15 days to stop the spread remember turned into 100+ days) and draconian rules. Really, if you want to press that on me, go pound sand.
And now after Cuomo just gave an interview pushing anti-vax non-sense, this has become blatantly obvious Dems are viewing this as nothing but a source of power through fear. "Be very afraid" Cuomo says; tough shit Cuomo, I have no fear any more.
So, in the word's of our dear forum contributor Samuel Langhorne, "the fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time."
I have lived fully and make no plans to stop.
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"The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time." A quote from Edward Abbey, A Voice Crying in the Wilderness. The quote is widely misattributed to Mark Twain.
A few genuine quotes from Mark Twain...
"When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?" -
"Consistency", paper read at the Hartford Monday Evening Club on 5 December 1887 - The Complete Essays of Mark Twain
Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. -
"Consistency" (5 December 1887).
As I slowly grow wise I briskly grow cautious. -
"English as She Is Taught", The Century Magazine, Vol. 33, No. 6, April 1887
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LOL
I have had enough of this bull shit.
A 74 year old fat man catches Covid and is back to work 3 days later. If you seriously are still terrified of this and not over 65 with pre-existing conditions, you are the problem right now. Cower in your basement if you feel that way, but I am not, and have not been, concerned about this for months at this point.
I'd rather get arrested than deal with more lock downs (15 days to stop the spread remember turned into 100+ days) and draconian rules. Really, if you want to press that on me, go pound sand.
And now after Cuomo just gave an interview pushing anti-vax non-sense, this has become blatantly obvious Dems are viewing this as nothing but a source of power through fear. "Be very afraid" Cuomo says; tough shit Cuomo, I have no fear any more.
So, in the word's of our dear forum contributor Samuel Langhorne, "the fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time."
I have lived fully and make no plans to stop.
Okay, so why exactly are you sharing this with us again? You've been saying basically the same thing every week or so since March. Go do your thing. Really. Best of luck.
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"The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time." A quote from Edward Abbey, A Voice Crying in the Wilderness. The quote is widely misattributed to Mark Twain.
A few genuine quotes from Mark Twain...
"When the doctrine of allegiance to party can utterly up-end a man's moral constitution and make a temporary fool of him besides, what excuse are you going to offer for preaching it, teaching it, extending it, perpetuating it? Shall you say, the best good of the country demands allegiance to party? Shall you also say it demands that a man kick his truth and his conscience into the gutter, and become a mouthing lunatic, besides?" -
"Consistency", paper read at the Hartford Monday Evening Club on 5 December 1887 - The Complete Essays of Mark Twain
Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world — and never will. -
"Consistency" (5 December 1887).
As I slowly grow wise I briskly grow cautious. -
"English as She Is Taught", The Century Magazine, Vol. 33, No. 6, April 1887
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Okay, so why exactly are you sharing this with us again? You've been saying basically the same thing every week or so since March. I remember one post you made in March on a Monday saying you were going to give it until Thursday and then you were going out and live your life. Go do your thing. Really. Best of luck.
No, more like since May, but this whole hysteria around this virus, and it is hysteria, is seriously turning some I know into panphobics, and I am getting tired of it. Not to mention, people, like Samual here, are insisting on projecting their fears onto everyone.
If Samual is a fearful man, that is his issue to overcome. However, he has no right to project his fearfulness onto me, nor will I give into it.
There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started. She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid. She is in her late 30s and is very healthy.
Another, I was apple picking two weeks ago near New Hope, PA, a very liberal area. It is near impossible to get this outside walking down the sidewalk, let along in a large orchard in farm country. People were wearing masks, giving me the stink eye because I refuse to do so. I was told by someone I was making him feel unsafe. To damn bad. You're 20 feet from me in a man made forest, and it was a beautiful Autumn day. I was not about to breath my recycled warm humid breath outside in open country air just because some give into hysteria.
The Happening was a bad movie, however Dems seem hellbent on making it real life.
This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.
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This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.
It often makes more sense to rent or borrow from someone else, rather than buy what you don't require on a regular basis.
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No, more like since May, but this whole hysteria around this virus, and it is hysteria, is seriously turning some I know into panphobics, and I am getting tired of it. Not to mention, people, like Samual here, are insisting on projecting their fears onto everyone.
If Samual is a fearful man, that is his issue to overcome. However, he has no right to project his fearfulness onto me, nor will I give into it.
There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started. She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid. She is in her late 30s and is very healthy.
Another, I was apple picking two weeks ago near New Hope, PA, a very liberal area. It is near impossible to get this outside walking down the sidewalk, let along in a large orchard in farm country. People were wearing masks, giving me the stink eye because I refuse to do so. I was told by someone I was making him feel unsafe. To damn bad. You're 20 feet from me in a man made forest, and it was a beautiful Autumn day. I was not about to breath my recycled warm humid breath outside in open country air just because some give into hysteria.
The Happening was a bad movie, however Dems seem hellbent on making it real life.
This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.
What hysteria? We have some simple procedures for avoiding infection. The only hysteria I've seen is the reaction to the procedures.
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No, more like since May, but this whole hysteria around this virus, and it is hysteria, is seriously turning some I know into panphobics, and I am getting tired of it. Not to mention, people, like Samual here, are insisting on projecting their fears onto everyone.
If Samual is a fearful man, that is his issue to overcome. However, he has no right to project his fearfulness onto me, nor will I give into it.
There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started. She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid. She is in her late 30s and is very healthy.
Another, I was apple picking two weeks ago near New Hope, PA, a very liberal area. It is near impossible to get this outside walking down the sidewalk, let along in a large orchard in farm country. People were wearing masks, giving me the stink eye because I refuse to do so. I was told by someone I was making him feel unsafe. To damn bad. You're 20 feet from me in a man made forest, and it was a beautiful Autumn day. I was not about to breath my recycled warm humid breath outside in open country air just because some give into hysteria.
The Happening was a bad movie, however Dems seem hellbent on making it real life.
This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.
Having a drink in a restaurant is not essential, but seldom lethal. Similarly, wearing a mask in an apple orchard is not essential, but relatively painless.
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There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started. She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid. She is in her late 30s and is very healthy
Seems like the stylist is an adult and is free to make her own decisions about what’s best for her under the circumstances. I would be surprised if there isn’t a bell curve on risk aversion among individuals. I remember when I was out in Yosemite a few years ago a couple of guys climbed El Capitan without ropes. I wouldn’t climb El Capitan with ropes, no matter what the safety stats showed. And that is true even if Spock were there in his rocket boots ready to catch me if I fell. I have enough zest in my life, thank you very much.
I know I wouldn’t appreciate it if someone told me I was just being hysterical. I’d probably tell him to mind his own business. And oh by the way, if it were a woman you told that she was being hysterical, you might get sued for sexual harassment, and lose a million dollars. Some women are pretty touchy about the whole hysteria thing. But it is a free country, and if you want to have a chat with this stylist, and maybe suggest some phobia therapy, be my guest. That certainly sounds like normal behavior. Perhaps you could go door to door with brochures sharing your wisdom. You might become a legend, like Johnny Appleseed or Typhoid Mary.
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Ever since McRaven first criticised Trump I have been eager to hear what the Trumpists reaction was. I have not read or heard anything, perhaps one or two of our "locals" will have a go.
In the Wall Street Journal yesterday "William McRaven, retired four-star admiral and former head of U.S. Special Operations Command, says he’s a conservative and he’s voting for Biden."
There is a paywall there but you can get the idea from here:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-mcraven-biden-endorsement_n_5f8e5343c5b6dc2d17f9c736?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
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Ever since McRaven first criticised Trump I have been eager to hear what the Trumpists reaction was. I have not read or heard anything, perhaps one or two of our "locals" will have a go.
In the Wall Street Journal yesterday "William McRaven, retired four-star admiral and former head of U.S. Special Operations Command, says he’s a conservative and he’s voting for Biden."
There is a paywall there but you can get the idea from here:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-mcraven-biden-endorsement_n_5f8e5343c5b6dc2d17f9c736?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
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Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment. The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him.
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Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment. The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him.
So I guess all these admirals are a just bunch of demented ultra left communists, complaining that Trump did not starts some wars...
McRaven is apart of that, as he is part of the US-citizen, part of the universe: the left universe. The left universe Trump is fighting against....
And the Republican right also starts to keep some distance from Trump for he will probably loose the election.
Anywa, they never liked him until he became president..
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Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment. The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him.
Never mind Trump Alan, it's what you think of McRaven that I'm interested in...
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What hysteria? We have some simple procedures for avoiding infection. The only hysteria I've seen is the reaction to the procedures.
This!
When the procedures are science-based and known effective measures against infections they are not the hysteria.
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This is so incompetently stupid, it made me laugh out loud, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521784-exxon-after-trump-fundraising-comment-just-so-were-all-clear-it-never (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521784-exxon-after-trump-fundraising-comment-just-so-were-all-clear-it-never).
I guess Trump really thinks he can just say anything. It might work for a while, maybe, but in the long run it couldn't possibly hold up. Maybe he'll entertain us by tweeting that he'll go after them the way he went after so many others. Well the tweets happened, anyway. He was unhappy with Amazon for 15 minutes but I don't think they suffered much from his wrath.
I enjoyed the way Trump is continuing to publicly go after Fauci, calling him names like some schoolboy throwing a tantrum. I have to figure that even the most diehard Trumpeteer will eventually think it's unseemly for the President of the United States of America to call a respected senior civil names in public. I get it, he's unorthodox, but come on. Even if he means what he says about Fauci, you'd think the President should be able to find a better way to deal with the situation. Besides which, why is Trump campaigning against someone who is not running for office.
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It often makes more sense to rent or borrow from someone else, rather than buy what you don't require on a regular basis.
Good one. ;D ;D ;D
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Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
I actually responded to that exact question you post Peter, just to let you know.
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Having a drink in a restaurant is not essential, but seldom lethal. Similarly, wearing a mask in an apple orchard is not essential, but relatively painless.
I dont care. It was a beautiful fall day, and I am not sacrificing it by breathing recycled humid breath just because some people out there have gone done the mask rabbit hole. If you dont like that I refuse to wear a mask in a orchard or a forest, I really dont care anymore. I just dont.
I'll wear a mask around the elderly and inside interior businesses that require it of me. Other than that, I'm just not doing it.
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Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police across the country, etc., but you won't hear about that on CNN et al.
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That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police across the country, etc., but you won't here about that on CNN et al.
You tried hard....but you just couldn't stay away! :)
I also tried and failed. :-\
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You tried hard....but you just couldn't stay away! :)
I also tried and failed. :-\
I am still trying... biting my lip hard ;)
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That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police across the country, etc., but you won't hear about that on CNN et al.
To elaborate: if the country is roughly split 50/50, it stands to reason that most many segments of the society would be approximately the same. That is, it is to be expected that 50% of, say, retired generals, or diplomats, or whatever would be against Trump. Now, if you only watch CNN, you will hear only about those. The same for Fox News, though I can see more "opposite" news there than on CNN (just my personal, anecdotal observation).
EDIT: changed "most" into many, to avoid smart-ass comments by some ;)
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To elaborate: if the country is roughly split 50/50, it stands to reason that most segments of the society would be approximately the same. That is, it is to be expected that 50% of, say, retired generals, or diplomats, or whatever would be against Trump. Now, if you only watch CNN, you will hear only about those. The same for Fox News, though I can see more "opposite" news there than on CNN (just my personal, anecdotal observation).
I agree that you get more opposition news on Fox. There's a reason for that -- much of Fox is so crazy, so embarrassing, that a few of their talking heads, and probably producers, realize how stupid and crazy they sound, and try to claw their way back to something resembling sanity. I suspect they're looking forward to a time when they may need to find new jobs with other networks, and lying night after night will probably not look good on their resumes, and they'll wind up pitching fake diamonds on QVC.
Look, there's no real debate about the best ways to deal with covid-19, even if there are no "good" ways, there's no real argument that global warming isn't caused by human activity (though there may be all kinds of arguments about possible remedies, if remedies are needed at all,) there's no reason to "lock up" Obama or most other Democratic politicians, even if you disagree with their policies, but Fox never gets off this stuff. I believe that it could come back to bite them in the butt -- the eventually, nobody will watch but a dwindling group of Trumpolas and conspiracy freaks, which would not be attractive to advertisers. And honestly, I don't know of big groups of people we'd generally consider "honorable" -- like retired top generals, or Nobel-winning economists, or epidemiologists, who've signed letters supporting Trump. Maybe they're out there, but I don't see them because I tend to watch CNN...but, I kinda think that they're not out there.
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Never mind Trump Alan, it's what you think of McRaven that I'm interested in...
I think he was a fine officer and great at killing American enemies. He's also a politician looking for a job with the Biden administration.
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Secretary of Defence?
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To elaborate: if the country is roughly split 50/50, it stands to reason that most segments of the society would be approximately the same.
It doesn't though, does it? Are blacks split 50:50? Millionaires?
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... Are blacks split 50:50?...
Given their recent presence in the media, you'd think indeed they are 50% of the US population ;)
But of course, you are just making a smart-ass comment, taking my statement out of context, while I clearly indicated what kind of segments I was talking about. The larger a segment, the more likely it would follow the national pattern. Now, it is clear that there are some segments that are overwhelmingly liberal, like those ivory-tower idiots in academia.
As for millionaires, not sure of the exact split, but there are a number of leftie idiots there too, so quite possible it is indeed 50/50.
EDIT: changed "most" into "many" in the OP, to avoid smart-ass comments by some ;)
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I don't know if it's ok for the President to pressure the Justice Dept to investigate a political rival (actually the son of a political rival) but demanding that the findings be released before the election seems a bit previous, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521827-trump-demands-barr-investigate-hunter-biden. (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521827-trump-demands-barr-investigate-hunter-biden). White collar crime usually takes a bit longer than 2-3 weeks to investigate, so this seems like wishful thinking. Besides, if they haven't moved on this file in the past 4 years, it suggests that there is not enough there to move on. I mean, it's not as if Obama or Hilary have been in charge at Justice since 2016.
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I don't know if it's ok for the President to pressure the Justice Dept to investigate a political rival (actually the son of a political rival) but demanding that the findings be released before the election seems a bit previous, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521827-trump-demands-barr-investigate-hunter-biden. (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521827-trump-demands-barr-investigate-hunter-biden). White collar crime usually takes a bit longer than 2-3 weeks to investigate, so this seems like wishful thinking. Besides, if they haven't moved on this file in the past 4 years, it suggests that there is not enough there to move on. I mean, it's not as if Obama or Hilary have been in charge at Justice since 2016.
I agree with you. Trump learned from the Obama administration and figures he can do it too. Of course by doing this, he weakens his argument against presidents who use the enforcement, taxing, and security agencies of the US to go after political opponents, which is wrong. Trump's no better than Obama was by doing it.
On the other hand, if there is real evidence that a politician used their position for monetary gain at the expense of the country, they should be investigated. After all, wasn't that the excuse for the investigation of Russian collusion against Trump? And Trump did call for the Ukraine to investigate earlier this year. OF course, Obama was smarter than TRump. He let Hillary create the dossier and had it passed through his subordinates to the FBI to go after TRump, keep above the fray so he could claim deniability. That isn't Trump's style.
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Besides, if they haven't moved on this file in the past 4 years, it suggests that there is not enough there to move on.
Interesting point. I can't help wondering if the 'dirt' on Biden has been deliberately withheld in order to help Biden's selection as presidential nominee.
In other words, no matter how bad the sitting president is, if his opponent is shown to be even worse, at voting time, then the sitting president will likely win another term.
I recently read that the Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, has declared that there is no evidence that Hunter Biden's laptop is part of some 'Russian disinformation campaign'.
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Unsure whether or not this surprises me.
More than 100,000 Californians have bought a gun in response to Covid-19 crisis, report finds
More than a hundred thousand Californians have bought a gun since the onset of the coronavirus pandemic, a new report has found, in a surge of gun sales that has experts worried about the risk of suicide and deadly instances of domestic violence.
Researchers at the University of California, Davis, found that 110,000 people in California purchased a firearm in direct response to the coronavirus. About 47,000 of the buyers were first-time gun owners. Buyers cited concerns over civil unrest, economic downturns, and the release of thousands from state prisons.
The survey found that the fear of being attacked in one’s neighborhood was a prime driver of gun ownership among those who got a gun due to the pandemic and its fallout. Nearly 70% of respondents said they were most concerned about robbery, and 50% said their fears stemmed from police violence. Social upheaval and large-scale protests over police killings and racial violence have also fueled some of the fears survey-takers described.
Since March, the FBI has reported historically high numbers of firearm background checks going through its system. And according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, by August there were nearly 5 million first-time gun buyers across the US.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.03.20206367v1.full.pdf
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I dont care. It was a beautiful fall day, and I am not sacrificing it by breathing recycled humid breath just because some people out there have gone done the mask rabbit hole. If you dont like that I refuse to wear a mask in a orchard or a forest, I really dont care anymore. I just dont.
I'll wear a mask around the elderly and inside interior businesses that require it of me. Other than that, I'm just not doing it.
In Indonesia, people caught without masks are forced to dig graves and lie in coffins as a punishment for breaking coronavirus rules.
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In Indonesia, people caught without masks are forced to dig graves and lie in coffins as a punishment for breaking coronavirus rules.
Timely punishment for Halloween.
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a BBC article about obstructions to vote;
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54240651
10-hour waits
In Georgia, thousands of voters waited hours just to cast their ballot during early voting. Many attribute the long wait to voter enthusiasm, but other factors - like a limited number of polls, understaffing or computer glitches - have also been blamed.
It's not known how many people are put off from voting because of the queues. But it's clear who it inconveniences more.
In principle you would think that in a democracy all political parties would encourage people to vote; however that is not the case.
As i see the 14th amendment seems to be aimed to give all citizen equal basic rights- like the right to vote.
'The founders' forgot some groups, but now it should be equal for everyone to vote without being obstructed.
I would say a more important basic right than the possession of guns.
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a BBC article about obstructions to vote;
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54240651
In principle you would think that in a democracy all political parties would encourage people to vote; however that is not the case.
As i see the 14th amendment seems to be aimed to give all citizen equal basic rights- like the right to vote.
'The founders' forgot some groups, but now it should be equal for everyone to vote without being obstructed.
I would say a more important basic right than the possession of guns.
As an outsider I am amazed at the things I read about US voting. Standards and equipment vary from place to place, the political parties seem to exert influence over the mechanics of voting, it's just so incredible to me. If you wanted to design a system that could be gamed by bad actors, this would be a good way to do it. I just hope it's not actually as bad as it seems.
Long waits in specific locales seem like such an easy thing to prevent. You know how many people live there, should be easy to figure out where to optimally place voting stations. We do it all the time with gas stations, pizza joints, etc. Hard to conclude it's not deliberate, simple incompetence should have been eliminated long ago.
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a BBC article about obstructions to vote;
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54240651
In principle you would think that in a democracy all political parties would encourage people to vote; however that is not the case.
As i see the 14th amendment seems to be aimed to give all citizen equal basic rights- like the right to vote.
'The founders' forgot some groups, but now it should be equal for everyone to vote without being obstructed.
I would say a more important basic right than the possession of guns.
If a despotic regime takes away your freedoms, you might be able to get it back if you have a gun. However:
If you’re looking for the right to vote, you won’t find it in the United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights recognizes the core rights of citizens in a democracy, including freedom of religion, speech, press and assembly. It then recognizes several insurance policies against an abusive government that would attempt to limit these liberties: weapons; the privacy of houses and personal information; protections against false criminal prosecution or repressive civil trials; and limits on excessive punishments by the government.
But the framers of the Constitution never mentioned a right to vote. They didn’t forget – they intentionally left it out. To put it most simply, the founders didn’t trust ordinary citizens to endorse the rights of others.
They were creating a radical experiment in self-government paired with the protection of individual rights that are often resented by the majority. As a result, they did not lay out an inherent right to vote because they feared rule by the masses would mean the destruction of – not better protection for – all the other rights the Constitution and Bill of Rights uphold. Instead, they highlighted other core rights over the vote, creating a tension that remains today.
https://theconversation.com/the-right-to-vote-is-not-in-the-constitution-144531
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As an outsider I am amazed at the things I read about US voting. Standards and equipment vary from place to place, the political parties seem to exert influence over the mechanics of voting, it's just so incredible to me. If you wanted to design a system that could be gamed by bad actors, this would be a good way to do it. I just hope it's not actually as bad as it seems.
Long waits in specific locales seem like such an easy thing to prevent. You know how many people live there, should be easy to figure out where to optimally place voting stations. We do it all the time with gas stations, pizza joints, etc. Hard to conclude it's not deliberate, simple incompetence should have been eliminated long ago.
Since when is a government not incompetent? Of course, in the US, multiply it by 50 as each of the 50 states design their own method of voting. Remember hanging chads. Well that was in FLorida. Frankly, I think the Iraqi method of dipping your finger into purple ink is a rather good method. The dead would find it harder to vote.
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As an outsider I am amazed at the things I read about US voting. Standards and equipment vary from place to place, the political parties seem to exert influence over the mechanics of voting, it's just so incredible to me. If you wanted to design a system that could be gamed by bad actors, this would be a good way to do it. I just hope it's not actually as bad as it seems.
Long waits in specific locales seem like such an easy thing to prevent. You know how many people live there, should be easy to figure out where to optimally place voting stations. We do it all the time with gas stations, pizza joints, etc. Hard to conclude it's not deliberate, simple incompetence should have been eliminated long ago.
In NYC, voting booths are set up for each voting district in the nearest public school within that voting district. But in order to vote, there are attendants there who have the voting registers for all pre-registered voters in that district. When you go there to vote, you have to sign in into the register after showing identification. That also prevents multiple voting.
How do you set up multiple voting places where you live and assure only one vote by the legal person who is voting?
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OMG! OMG! OMG!
Five Alarm News Alert:
In late breaking news, CNN is reporting that the New York Times has found out that Trump has been doing business in China, has a bank account in China, and has paid taxes in China. Even his lawyer admits it. So Trump has been conspiring with the Chinese Communist Party all along. Tariffs my ass. He may even have been sexually abusing underage Chinese girls too. Just because I haven't seen a story in the media about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I mean haven't you ever heard about black swans?* The whole thing looks like an open and shut case to me. Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/politics/trump-china-taxes-financial-records/index.html
I have to admit I was doubtful, but this apeshit frenzy stuff is everything it is cracked up to be, particularly after taking a couple of those kava energy pills Alex Jones has been talking about. No more mild-mannered Shoeshine Boy for me.
* Just in case you didn't really pay all that much attention in your college philosophy course, perhaps because the only reason you signed up for it in the first place was to fulfill one of your elective requirements, I'll tell you about it. You see, for thousands of years, everyone, including the scientists and philosophers, believed that all swans were white, because no one had ever seen a swan that wasn't white. Then this explorer went to Australia or somewhere, and lo and behold, he saw a black swan. So he took a photograph of it, and sailed back to wherever he came from, and showed the photograph of the black swan to all of the royal science and philosophy societies, and everyone said well what do you know all swans aren't white. At least that's what everyone believed for a little while. Now some people, let's call them black swan deniers, believe that all swans are white again, because they are convinced that the explorer guy's photograph of the black swan was photoshopped. There are some interesting parallels to the whole climate change thing, but I really don't feel like going into it right now.
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a BBC article about obstructions to vote;
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54240651
In principle you would think that in a democracy all political parties would encourage people to vote; however that is not the case.
As i see the 14th amendment seems to be aimed to give all citizen equal basic rights- like the right to vote.
'The founders' forgot some groups, but now it should be equal for everyone to vote without being obstructed.
I would say a more important basic right than the possession of guns.
It's very telling that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that the GOP has done or tried to do with respect to voting has, or would have, the effect of decreasing turnout. In contrast, Dems all over the country are working to increase turnout. Bottom line, the GOP is afraid of the voters and the Dems are not. And they keep bleating "voter fraud" which is essentially non-existent. Except, of course, for two cases that were promulgated by the GOP--absentee ballot harvesting here in NC during the 2018 congressional election, and fake ballot drop-off boxed in California.
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Interesting point. I can't help wondering if the 'dirt' on Biden has been deliberately withheld in order to help Biden's selection as presidential nominee.
In other words, no matter how bad the sitting president is, if his opponent is shown to be even worse, at voting time, then the sitting president will likely win another term.
I recently read that the Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, has declared that there is no evidence that Hunter Biden's laptop is part of some 'Russian disinformation campaign'.
Ratcliffe is an ultra-conservative former congressman from Texas who was appointed as Director of National Intelligence specifically to support Trump. When Trump first announced that he planned to appoint Ratcliffe to the job, Republican members of the Senate suggested that they would not approve the appointment, and Trump withdrew it. Trump then later did appoint him, despite continuing objections from both parties, and he was narrowly approved, though he had no previous experience in intelligence work. He's a political hack.
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... and fake ballot drop-off boxed in California.
Holy Cannoli! Maybe that's where Trump's incriminating laptop is hidden. I bet James Comey is getting a no knock search warrant right now. Oh, wait...
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In NYC, voting booths are set up for each voting district in the nearest public school within that voting district. But in order to vote, there are attendants there who have the voting registers for all pre-registered voters in that district. When you go there to vote, you have to sign in into the register after showing identification. That also prevents multiple voting.
Sounds a lot like what goes on here, more or less. The bureaucracy that looks after all that is called Elections Canada and they run things to the same standard all across the country, from keeping voter rolls, to hiring and training temporary staff, to counting ballots, etc. There are permanent staff who run the place and it operates at arm's length from politicians.
What I was getting at was that what you describe in NYC sounds more or less like a good way to do things. Why would you do it any other way, all the best practices are well understood by now pretty much all over the world. How is it possible for it NOT to run like that in some places, and get away with it, unless some bad actors like it that way? But as I said before, maybe we just hear the horror stories, and that they are not common.
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As i Understand:
About limiting the amount of places to vote. In Houston there is only one. ( used to be 12)
Limiting the use of vote by mail. In Texas you may only vote by mail if you are 65 and older.
Each State has its own deadline for registering to vote
depending on the state 7-30 days before election
Wyoming law does not permit registration by mail
in the federal registration form there is a question nr8
8. Race or Ethnic Group.
Most states say; Leave nr 8 blank
In some states it is required to fill it in.
Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina
In other states it is optional; Louisiana, Tennessee
In Pennsylvania it is requested
Required means:
You are required to fill in this box; however
your application will
not be rejected if you fail to do so. See the list of choices under the Application Instructions for Box 8 (on page 2).
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I got my BallotTrax notification today that my ballot was accepted. Yay!
So I got the ballot in the mail, filled it out, signed the envelope, and rode my bike the half mile to the drop box to drop it off. They sent me a notification to say they received it first, and later a notification of acceptance to confirm my signature was a match and I had correctly filled out my ballot.
It was pretty easy which gives me a little "privilege guilt" thinking about all those poor folks in large cities who have it a lot harder. Having to take time off work, get transportation, and wait in long lines. It really is criminal that it is so hard for some people to fulfill their civic duty.
Other states need to look to Colorado as an example of a great secure voting system that works. I'm proud of my state! (and glad I left Michigan)
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Holy Cannoli! Maybe that's where Trump's incriminating laptop is hidden. I bet James Comey is getting a subpeona right now. Oh, wait...
Maybe Giuliani gave it to Borat?
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Maybe Giuliani gave it to Borat?
Speaking of Borat, have you seen this article about Rudy Giuliani's role in the new Borat movie? I promise I am not making this up. Here are a couple of paragraphs in case you don't want to read the whole thing:
"In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist."
and
"Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras."
"After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film
I didn't know Giuliani had Hollywood ambitions. I guess he figures Trump is going to lose and he needs a fallback career.
Of course, this could be satire. Given all the stuff that has happened in the past four years, it is impossible to tell the difference any more. I saw a video of Trump showing off his dance moves at a rally the other day. Who knows if even that was real. I mean, who knows? Who knows?
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Ratcliffe is an ultra-conservative former congressman from Texas who was appointed as Director of National Intelligence specifically to support Trump. When Trump first announced that he planned to appoint Ratcliffe to the job, Republican members of the Senate suggested that they would not approve the appointment, and Trump withdrew it. Trump then later did appoint him, despite continuing objections from both parties, and he was narrowly approved, though he had no previous experience in intelligence work. He's a political hack.
a precious DNI who worked under the Obama administration called Trump a traitor and lied to Congress under oath. Radcliff is an angel comparatively. But the left wing press repeated and repeated Obama's director's claims incessantly.
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Sounds a lot like what goes on here, more or less. The bureaucracy that looks after all that is called Elections Canada and they run things to the same standard all across the country, from keeping voter rolls, to hiring and training temporary staff, to counting ballots, etc. There are permanent staff who run the place and it operates at arm's length from politicians.
What I was getting at was that what you describe in NYC sounds more or less like a good way to do things. Why would you do it any other way, all the best practices are well understood by now pretty much all over the world. How is it possible for it NOT to run like that in some places, and get away with it, unless some bad actors like it that way? But as I said before, maybe we just hear the horror stories, and that they are not common.
Well, I wouldn't know how they pack the ballot boxes. I'm not a Democrat.
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So Trump is passing a fine toothed comb through the electorate looking for a vote, any vote, and has dispatched Tiffany, his daughter from his second marriage to Marla Maples, to the campaign trail seeking to woo voters in the LGBTQ+ community. Apparently none of his other children would touch the assignment with a ten-foot pole. I know Jeremy hates it when I make fashion statements, but for God's sake, she is falling out of a peach-colored cocktail dress. If you think you have the stomach for it, here you go:
https://news.yahoo.com/m-excited-tiffany-trump-speaks-231726245.html
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Speaking of Borat, have you seen this article about Rudy Giuliani's role in the new Borat movie? I promise I am not making this up. Here are a couple of paragraphs in case you don't want to read the whole thing:
"In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist."
and
"Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras."
"After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film
I didn't know Giuliani had Hollywood ambitions. I guess he figures Trump is going to lose and he needs a fallback career.
Of course, this could be satire. Given all the stuff that has happened in the past four years, it is impossible to tell the difference any more. I even saw a video of Trump showing off his dance moves at a rally the other day. Who knows if even that was real. I mean, who knows? Who knows?
Good for Rudy! An old guy who still wants to get laid! Lets review, He is single and of age. The girl is of age and he was in her bedroom at her request. It was a private setting so his privates are fair game. Best of all he still wants some! Rudys stock went up so to speak with this one.
Pretty poor attempt by the MSM, but I guess it the best they have.
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So Trump is passing a fine toothed comb through the electorate looking for a vote, any vote, and has dispatched Tiffany, his daughter from his second marriage to Marla Maples, to the campaign trail seeking to woo voters in the LGBTQ+ community. Apparently none of his other children would touch the assignment with a ten-foot pole. I know Jeremy hates it when I make fashion statements, but for God's sake, she is falling out of a peach-colored cocktail dress. If you think you have the stomach for it, here you go:
https://news.yahoo.com/m-excited-tiffany-trump-speaks-231726245.html
I guess your idea of "falling out of a dress" are different than mine but perhaps she was playing the the purient interests of some of the young ladies in the audience. Just sayin.
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Good for Rudy! An old guy who still wants to get laid! Lets review, He is single and of age. The girl is of age and he was in her bedroom at her request. It was a private setting so his privates are fair game. Best of all he still wants some! Rudys stock went up so to speak with this one.
Pretty poor attempt by the MSM, but I guess it the best they have.
I guess if that's your idea of seduction...
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I guess if that's your idea of seduction...
Who said anything about seduction?
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Who said anything about seduction?
Dunno. Seems like you were just gushing about a creepy old guy having a wank.
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Good for Rudy! An old guy who still wants to get laid! Lets review, He is single and of age. The girl is of age and he was in her bedroom at her request. It was a private setting so his privates are fair game. Best of all he still wants some! Rudys stock went up so to speak with this one.
I thought Borat said she was 15? Who knows? It was a movie so maybe Giuliani was only pretending he wanted to get laid. He might get an Oscar if his performance is convincing enough. All the movie theaters around here are shut down. I don't know if and when I'll get to watch it.
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a precious DNI who worked under the Obama administration called Trump a traitor and lied to Congress under oath. Radcliff is an angel comparatively. But the left wing press repeated and repeated Obama's director's claims incessantly.
Yeah, but there's no doubt that Radcliffe is an incompetent know-nothing political hack. Obama's DNI, on the other hand, hasn't been shown to be incorrect.
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Yeah, but there's no doubt that Radcliffe is an incompetent know-nothing political hack. Obama's DNI, on the other hand, hasn't been shown to be incorrect.
You have heard of the Mueller investigation, haven't you? Also, he falsely swore to the Congress.
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I thought Borat said she was 15? Who knows? It was a movie so maybe Giuliani was only pretending he wanted to get laid. He might get an Oscar if his performance was so convincing. All the movie theaters around here are shut down. I don't know if and when I'll get to watch it.
I think the article I read said she was 26 or something. Its Hunter Biden and 14 year olds... Borat will be on on Amazon Prime starting Friday. Nice choice of timing :) . I never like the Borat films, I would prefer if Amazon Prime would give us the next installment of Grand Tour instead.
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I guess your idea of "falling out of a dress" are different than mine but perhaps she was playing the the purient interests of some of the young ladies in the audience. Just sayin.
I may have overreacted. It probably was a cocktail reception so the dress was appropriate attire. I guess. Maybe. Not really.
The image of Hillary and the young lady reminds of this picture I saw of Johnny Carson interviewing Rachel Welch. Or maybe it was someone else similarly endowed. I think he looked equally surprised.
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I may have overreacted. It probably was a cocktail reception so the dress was appropriate attire. The image of Hillary and the young lady reminds of this picture I saw of Johnny Carson interviewing Rachel Welch. Or maybe it was someone else similarly endowed. I think he looked equally surprised.
Couldn't view that video in Canada. Was it a real or fake endowment?
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I think the article I read said she was 26 or something. Its Hunter Biden and 14 year olds... Borat will be on on Amazon Prime starting Friday. Nice choice of timing :) . I never like the Borat films, I would prefer if Amazon Prime would give us the next installment of Grand Tour instead.
I have Amazon Prime. I may have to watch it just to see if the article in The Guardian is satire. God, what have we come to?
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Yeah, but there's no doubt that Radcliffe is an incompetent know-nothing political hack. Obama's DNI, on the other hand, hasn't been shown to be incorrect.
I agree. So what if Obama's DNI was a hack, not that I think he was. Isn't that whataboutism? A logical fallacy? The issue is whether Ratcliffe is a hack. Unless I am missing something.
This seems like the same argument about our COVID response, the one saying that there are other countries as bad as us.
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Hunter Biden Quietly Takes Down ‘Meeting With My Dad’ Craigslist Ad
https://babylonbee.com/news/hunter-biden-quietly-takes-down-meeting-with-my-dad-craigslist-ad/?utm_content=bufferbd1bf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
WILMINGTON, DE—As the furor over Hunter Biden's alleged corruption raged this week, several observers noted that a mysterious Craigslist ad had quietly disappeared from the site. The listing, titled "Meeting with my Dad," offered 1 hour of uninterrupted access to Joe Biden for only $50,000.
"A real shame," said Russian entrepreneur Dimitri Stratiskoklanikov. "Fifty thousand US dollar, pretty good deal. Now I must gain audience old fashioned way. It's real shame."
As of now it's unclear how many people responded to Hunter Biden's ad or how much money he made from arranging meetings. According to sources within the FBI, investigators suspect Hunter may be peddling influence more covertly this time around.
At the time of publishing, several witnesses claim they saw a hooded figure resembling Hunter Biden on a Wilmington street corner waving down passing cars.
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Hunter Biden Quietly Takes Down ‘Meeting With My Dad’ Craigslist Ad
https://babylonbee.com/news/hunter-biden-quietly-takes-down-meeting-with-my-dad-craigslist-ad/?utm_content=bufferbd1bf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
That little bit of satire from the Babylon Bee is more credible than some of the stuff I've read over on Breitbart. In fact, you kind of had me going there for a minute.
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Dunno. Seems like you were just gushing about a creepy old guy having a wank.
Unacceptable. You seem to enjoy teetering on the brink of suspension.
Jeremy
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It is looking more and more like that article in the Guardian about Borat and Giuliani is true.
Rudy Giuliani caught in compromising position in new 'Borat' film
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/rudy-giuliani-caught-compromising-position-new-borat-film-n1244187
I don't think I want to watch the movie now. I'll pass. Oh how the mighty have fallen. America's mayor. Whackadoodle.
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According to Pat
Buchanan Robertson, all these discussions are moot because of the coming asteroid, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-message-from-god-trump_n_5f8fb785c5b686eaaa0c5ca3?ri18n=true (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-message-from-god-trump_n_5f8fb785c5b686eaaa0c5ca3?ri18n=true). You have to admire the tenacity of these guys and especially of their followers, who never lose faith despite endlessly making crazier and crazier incorrect predictions.
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According to Pat Buchanan, all these discussions are moot because of the coming asteroid, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-message-from-god-trump_n_5f8fb785c5b686eaaa0c5ca3?ri18n=true (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pat-robertson-message-from-god-trump_n_5f8fb785c5b686eaaa0c5ca3?ri18n=true). You have to admire the tenacity of these guys and especially of their followers, who never lose faith despite endlessly making crazier and crazier incorrect predictions.
I think you are confusing Pat Buchanan with Pat Robertson. It is an easy mistake to make. Both make a lot of predictions that don’t come true.
As a result of the pandemic, millions of Americans are out of work, and Pat Robertson’s ministry is probably experiencing some cash flow problems. I know my minister hasn’t eaten in weeks. Robertson is probably hoping that his followers will open their hearts and wallets, so he will have the resources necessary to convince God to rethink His plan. It seems to me, just from the little I know, that Robertson has talked God out of some pretty ill-conceived plans before. I am going to send him the money in my Lent box. To be honest, because of the pandemic, I never got a chance to turn mine in, and I already spent a lot of it on candy. But every little bit helps I guess.
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I agree. So what if Obama's DNI was a hack, not that I think he was. Isn't that whataboutism? A logical fallacy? The issue is whether Ratcliffe is a hack. Unless I am missing something.
This seems like the same argument about our COVID response, the one saying that there are other countries as bad as us.
It's not that they're both hacks. It's that you cheered on your guy when he played politics.
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It's not that they're both hacks.
I agree. Only Ratcliffe is a hack.
It's that you cheered on your guy when he played politics.
What does that have to do with Ratcliffe being a hack? The argument that since Clapper lied to Congress, and I cheered him on, Ratcliffe is not a hack, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It sounds like one of those arguments only you could come up with.
Not only that, but I didn’t know Clapper was lying. I didn’t even know he was testifying. Was it on TV? If I didn’t know it was happening, I couldn’t possibly have been cheering him on. That seems obvious. You tend to miss a lot of obvious stuff.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe all the stuff the intelligence guys say in public hearings? Surely a guy like you couldn’t possibly be so naïve. I mean if they told about the secret stuff, it wouldn’t be secret any more. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that seems kind of obvious too.
Besides, being a liar and being a hack are two entirely different things.
I would like to point out one more thing. Obama didn’t pardon Clapper for lying to Congress. On the other hand, Trump did pardon Roger Stone for lying to Congress. So Obama is best.
Now you know why nobody knows what you are talking about.
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I think you are confusing Pat Buchanan with Pat Robertson. It is an easy mistake to make. Both make a lot of predictions that don’t come true.
Oops, my mistake, which I've edited now. Too many names, too little working memory.
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I agree. Only Ratcliffe is a hack.
What does that have to do with Ratcliffe being a hack? The argument that since Clapper lied to Congress, and I cheered him on, Ratcliffe is not a hack, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It sounds like one of those arguments only you could come up with.
Not only that, but I didn’t know Clapper was lying. I didn’t even know he was testifying. Was it on TV? If I didn’t know it was happening, I couldn’t possibly have been cheering him on. That seems obvious. You tend to miss a lot of obvious stuff.
Let me ask you a question. Do you believe all the stuff the intelligence guys say in public hearings? Surely a guy like you couldn’t possibly be so naïve. I mean if they told about the secret stuff, it wouldn’t be secret any more. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that seems kind of obvious too.
Besides, being a liar and being a hack are two entirely different things.
I would like to point out one more thing. Obama didn’t pardon Clapper for lying to Congress. On the other hand, Trump did pardon Roger Stone for lying to Congress. So Obama is best.
Now you know why nobody knows what you are talking about.
You're being a hypocrite.
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Former US Lt. Tony Bobulinski, and Dem donor, who was a former business associate of Hunter Biden has now released a statement stating that Joe Biden often signed off on Hunter's business deals and was involved with a deal with the Chinese Government. Also, both Hunter and Joe received money from the CCP through back door deals that he only found out about after the fact, and that they both lied to him about when confronted.
Hunter Biden business partner calls email 'genuine,' says Hunter sought dad's advice on deals (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-business-partner-email-genuine-joe-biden-advice)
This is not going away, and is only looking worse and worse for Biden.
He's corrupt, and due to his conflict of interests with China, our leading rival, is not fit for office.
FYI, Harris has also been listed in emails naming her a key contact for Hunter's business ventures.
Harris, prominent Democrats listed as 'key contacts' for Biden family business venture projects (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts)
This reeks of Chicago style political corruption.
Meanwhile ...
Dems Boycott ACB Confirmation to Floor For Vote (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barrett-hearing-democrats-republicans-nomination-judiciary-committee)
... even though a majority of Americans now want her appointed before the election.
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If true, Biden's open to Chinese blackmail.
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You're being a hypocrite.
You might want to check your dictionary. I mean you didn't know the difference between liar and hack, so I really can't give you the benefit of the doubt knowing what hypocrite means.
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You might want to check your dictionary. I mean you didn't know the difference between liar and hack, so I really can't give you the benefit of the doubt knowing what hypocrite means.
Cheap shot. The point is you and the Democrats have double standards. You think it's perfectly fine when the police and secret services of government are used against people you don't like. But then you cry "foul" when the other side appears to do the same thing.
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Cheap shot. The point is you and the Democrats have double standards. You think it's perfectly fine when the police and secret services of government are used against people you don't like. But then you cry "foul" when the other side appears to do the same thing.
You called me a hypocrite. Isn't it kind of hypocritical when you are righteously indignant when Democrats do this, that, and the other, when the Republicans do the same this, that, and the other too? At least that is pretty much what I think hypocrite means. I mean I looked it up and found this:
"hypocrisy: a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
I am pretty sure Republicans are not saints. But maybe they are. Maybe Republicans are God, and Democrats are the fallen angel. It seems like you think so. But then you see everything as black and white. You know that's a logical fallacy, don't you? Most of your arguments are riddled with logical fallacies. That is why you are met with such pushback here.
I may have mentioned to you before that I am not a Democrat. I like some things Democrats think and do, but not others. I like some things Republicans think and do, but not others. I think a lot of people are the same way. At least that has been my experience. But apparently you have to stick people in one box or the other, because that is the only way you can deal with the complexity of the world. What a pity.
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You called me a hypocrite. Isn't it kind of hypocritical when you are righteously indignant when Democrats do this, that, and the other, when the Republicans do the same this, that, and the other too? At least that is pretty much what I think hypocrite means. I mean I looked it up and found this:
"hypocrisy: a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess."
I am pretty sure Republicans are not saints. But maybe they are. Maybe Republicans are God, and Democrats are the fallen angel. It seems like you think so. But then you see everything as black and white. You know that's a logical fallacy, don't you?
I've already said in a previous posts that Republicans or Democrats using the police powers of the federal government to go after political opponents are wrong unless there is really some evidence that someone has broken federal law. While Trump was officially gone after by Mueller and others, I'm not aware of any official government action going on against Biden. It's mainly just a lot of accusations Trump is making during a political campaign which is fair game just like Trump is accused of using his office to enrich himself by the Democrats.
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I've already said in a previous posts that Republicans or Democrats using the police powers of the federal government to go after political opponents are wrong unless there is really some evidence that someone has broken federal law. While Trump was officially gone after by Mueller and others, I'm not aware of any official government action going on against Biden. It's mainly just a lot of accusations Trump is making during a political campaign which is fair game just like Trump is accused of using his office to enrich himself by the Democrats.
Maybe the government isn't investigating Biden because there isn't anything to investigate? On the other hand, Trump is using his office to enrich himself, as has been shown numerous times -- the hotel in Washington, the events at Bahia Mar, renting rooms at excessive prices to his Secret Service detail, etc. His entire criminal family also has hands in the pot.
Did Hunter Biden use his father's office to try to enrich himself? He likely did. He didn't get on the board of a Ukrainian company because of his business talents, and Biden has admitted as such and has said Hunter has made some bad decisions and has been involved with drugs. Biden's problem is that Hunter is an adult and can do what he wants. Just like Jimmy Carter's brother, Ronald Reagan's son and daughter, all of the Kennedy relatives who are still living off his presidency, the entire Bush family, Clinton's wife and daughter, etc. So then we get to Biden himself -- what has he done? We have people who *refer* to him, because that's all they've got. Wake me up when we see Biden's name on a contract. It amazes me that people like Joe Kitchen can believe that Biden is in deep trouble because of something his son did, but ignore that rampant criminality of the Trumps -- the tax evasion, the preferential treatment given his daughter's business efforts by China, the hidden loans that prop up his bankrupt companies, and all that. Anything that Hunter Biden did is trivial compared to that. And Hunter Biden isn't Joe.
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Maybe the government isn't investigating Biden because there isn't anything to investigate? On the other hand, Trump is using his office to enrich himself, as has been shown numerous times -- the hotel in Washington, the events at Bahia Mar, renting rooms at excessive prices to his Secret Service detail, etc. His entire criminal family also has hands in the pot.
Did Hunter Biden use his father's office to try to enrich himself? He likely did. He didn't get on the board of a Ukrainian company because of his business talents, and Biden has admitted as such and has said Hunter has made some bad decisions and has been involved with drugs. Biden's problem is that Hunter is an adult and can do what he wants. Just like Jimmy Carter's brother, Ronald Reagan's son and daughter, all of the Kennedy relatives who are still living off his presidency, the entire Bush family, Clinton's wife and daughter, etc. So then we get to Biden himself -- what has he done? We have people who *refer* to him, because that's all they've got. Wake me up when we see Biden's name on a contract. It amazes me that people like Joe Kitchen can believe that Biden is in deep trouble because of something his son did, but ignore that rampant criminality of the Trumps -- the tax evasion, the preferential treatment given his daughter's business efforts by China, the hidden loans that prop up his bankrupt companies, and all that. Anything that Hunter Biden did is trivial compared to that. And Hunter Biden isn't Joe.
First off, all of Trump's hotels and properties were developed as a civilian before he became president. Trump was a businessman who never was a government official until he became president. Just because some rajah rents a room when he comes to NYC at his hotel, does not mean he's selling his office. That' just silly. Secret Service costs at Trump Tower and Mara-lago are the same as all other president. Bush had his ranch in Texas, Nixon hois in California, Obama went 6000 miles to Hawaii to golf, and Hillary her house in NY, etc. where they paid hundred of thousands for security cameras. These are our presidents' residences where they go when not in Washington. Congress has allocated the expenditures as being proper and required. For you info, Congresswoman and Speaker Nancy Pelosi has her own government jet for buzzing around the country, a jet much larger than she needs. OF course, Congress that she controls writes the check for it.
Second, the issue with the Biden is not that Hunter used his name to advance himself. A lot of people do that. It's that he went along on Air Force 2, the Vice President Biden's official government jet to meet officials in China and elsewhere using the symbol of his father's office to advance himself. Obviously his father approved of that since he was on-board with him. VP Biden and was in fact warned by the Obama administration that it doesn't look good. But worse than that for Joe Biden was that he used his position of VP to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma, a corrupt corporation that was paying his son millions in fees just because he was the VP's son.
That isn't trivial.
Now there appears to be emails of some financial conspiracy with the Bidens. Unless you think that some computer repair guy in NYC is a Russian spy, the emails revealed by him that were on Hunter Biden's computer seem to be authentic.
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I'm not aware of any official government action going on against Biden.
I read on Breitbart and Fox that the FBI has had Hunter Biden's laptop for ten or so months. Presumably they are looking into something. But is possible they just put it in a drawer somewhere and forgot about it. Yet, presumably Ratclifffe has looked at all the stuff on it. Otherwise how do you explain his conclusion that the Hunter Biden story in not a part of Russia's disinformation campaign. Or maybe Ratcliffe is just lying because he is one of Trump's lackeys who doesn't have one iota of intelligence experience, you know, just a political hack.
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Unless you think that some computer repair guy in NYC is a Russian spy, the emails revealed by him that were on Hunter Biden's computer seem to be authentic.
Well, anything is possible. I mean some of the stuff you believe about Trump is pretty incredible too. And gosh, what about Obama's birth certificate for heavens sake. I have been trying to keep up with the Hunter Biden story. So far I think Fox has verified one, of the thousands, of the emails that are supposed to be on Hunter's Biden's laptop, by an anonymous source. I mean most of the time you are apoplectic when the press uses an anonymous source to describe something Trump did or said, but here you seem to think it is okay. The problem is no one has seen Hunter's laptop, or any (supposedly except one) of the thousands of emails, photos, and videos that are supposed to be on it. I mean not even Alex Jones at Infowars has said he has seen the stuff. Yet your super-sleuth mind has figured the whole conspiracy out.
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Well, anything is possible. I mean some of the stuff you believe about Trump is pretty incredible too. I have been trying to keep up with the Hunter Biden story. So far I think Fox has verified one, of the thousands, of the emails that are supposed to be on Hunter's Biden's laptop, by an anonymous source. I mean most of the time you are apoplectic when the press uses an anonymous source to describe something Trump did or said, but here you seem to think it is okay. The problem is no one has seen Hunter's laptop, or any (supposedly except one) thousands of emails, photos, and videos that are suppose to be on it. Yet your super-sleuth mind has figured the whole conspiracy out.
From Joes post above...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-business-partner-email-genuine-joe-biden-advice
Second, Lots of people have see the contents of the Hunter Biden hard drive. Fox is covering it now that there eis confirmation. IIRC Rudy said any news organization who wanted to look could could come see it. Papers like the NYT wanted him to release the drive to them. I don't blame him for saying no to that. But that gives them an out.
Lets face the brutal fact here. The MSM is burying this to protect Biden and to make sure no one asks the hard questions. This is almosty a bigger story than Joe and Hunter.
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I read on Breitbart and Fox that the FBI has had Hunter Biden's laptop for ten or so months. Presumably they are looking into something. But is possible they just put it in a drawer somewhere and forgot about it. Yet, presumably Ratclifffe has looked at all the stuff on it. Otherwise how do you explain his conclusion that the Hunter Biden story in not a part of Russia's disinformation campaign. Or maybe Ratcliffe is just lying because he is one of Trump's lackeys who doesn't have one iota of intelligence experience, you know, just a political hack.
There may not be enough evidence. Or, after the fiasco before the last election with Hillary and her emails and server with the FBI's Comey, the new FBI director was smartened up. He doesn't want to look foolish like Comey did, or as corrupt. Better to let it die quietly. If Biden wins, he'll bury it. And if Trump wins, no one will care anyways.
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Second, Lots of people have see the contents of the Hunter Biden hard drive.
A few people have said they have seen the stuff. So where's the stuff? I mean if the commie/lib media said they had Don Jr.'s laptop, and there was a bunch of sinister stuff on it, not to mention child porn, you would probably want to see it too. But maybe not. Maybe you would be content with CNN verifying all the stuff the NYT said it found.
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But worse than that for Joe Biden was that he used his position of VP to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma
That is so utterly and plainly false based on every single bit of credible evidence and basic common sense that it is both laughable and sad. Laughable in that it is so clearly false and sad that some are so blinded by their ideology that they would make that claim. Sadder still if they are so blind as to actually believe it.
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There may not be enough evidence. Or, after the fiasco before the last election with Hillary and her emails and server with the FBI's Comey, the new FBI director was smartened up. He doesn't want to look foolish like Comey did, or as corrupt. Better to let it die quietly. If Biden wins, he'll bury it. And if Trump wins, no one will care anyways.
That's always possible. I mean I could think up dozens of different scenarios that were good and bad for Biden. Tell me, do you believe in the Illuminati, because that's probably where I'd start. I have read a lot of Dan Brown novels. I am thinking about writing one of my own. For example, I am thinking of substituting this presidential candidate's son's laptop for the Holy Grail, and seeing where that takes me. I was sort of thinking about saying Interpol got a hold of the laptop and hid it in the crypt of a medieval church in Scotland. I don't know. Maybe that is too derivative.
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Former US Lt. Tony Bobulinski, and Dem donor, who was a former business associate of Hunter Biden has now released a statement stating that Joe Biden often signed off on Hunter's business deals and was involved with a deal with the Chinese Government. Also, both Hunter and Joe received money from the CCP through back door deals that he only found out about after the fact, and that they both lied to him about when confronted.
Hunter Biden business partner calls email 'genuine,' says Hunter sought dad's advice on deals (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-business-partner-email-genuine-joe-biden-advice)
This is not going away, and is only looking worse and worse for Biden.
He's corrupt, and due to his conflict of interests with China, our leading rival, is not fit for office.
FYI, Harris has also been listed in emails naming her a key contact for Hunter's business ventures.
Harris, prominent Democrats listed as 'key contacts' for Biden family business venture projects (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts)
This reeks of Chicago style political corruption.
Meanwhile ...
Dems Boycott ACB Confirmation to Floor For Vote (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barrett-hearing-democrats-republicans-nomination-judiciary-committee)
... even though a majority of Americans now want her appointed before the election.
The plot thickens.
Hunter Biden's ex-business partner says Joe DID know about son's deal with Chinese energy firm and IS 'the big guy' in email set to get 10% cut of the deal
Tony Bobulinski said he was Hunter Biden's business partner in 2017
Bobulinski said Hunter brought him into joint venture with Chinese energy firm
Hunter Biden was involved with China's largest private energy company CEFC
He was given equity, ownership of a holding company and huge consulting fees
He also allegedly held a share of the equity for his father Joe Biden
Sources told Fox News that a person identified only as 'the big guy' in an email about equity payments was the former Vice President
Hunter was dealing with CEFC chairman Ye Jianming who has since vanished
Bobulinski said in his statement that 'the big guy' was indeed Joe Biden
He also confirmed authenticity of emails recovered from Hunter Biden's laptop
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8866713/Hunter-Bidens-ex-business-partner-says-Joe-Biden-talked-son-deal-Chinese-firm.html
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That is so utterly and plainly false based on every single bit of credible evidence and basic common sense that it is both laughable and sad. Laughable in that it is so clearly false and sad that some are so blinded by their ideology that they would make that claim. Sadder still if they are so blind as to actually believe it.
But he did get the prosecutor fired who was investigating his son's firm Burisma. That's a public fact. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
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But he did get the prosecutor fired who was investigating his son's firm Burisma. That's a public fact. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
I thought the Senate Intelligence Committee looked into all that, and didn't find anything amiss. That's why they didn't hold a great big press conference to tell us all about their findings. That was a couple of months ago.
Funny thing about those public facts too. Sometimes they aren't true. There are probably a lot of Democrats who believed the existence of the Trump pee-pee tape was a public fact. I mean it was referred to in the Steele dossier and everything. Just saying.
And by the way, what's this thing you have about poultry?
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But he did get the prosecutor fired who was investigating his son's firm Burisma. That's a public fact. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
You know that it is Joe Biden that is the candidate? Not his son?
The idea is that he replaces the complete Trump family at the White House ( Me, Mum and Dad)
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not by members of his family, but by people that actually have some knowledge in their specific field.
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A few people have said they have seen the stuff. So where's the stuff? I mean if the commie/lib media said they had Don Jr.'s laptop, and there was a bunch of sinister stuff on it, not to mention child porn, you would probably want to see the stuff too. But maybe not. Maybe you would be content with CNN verifying all the stuff the NYT said it found.
You want to know where it is, ask the MSM. It appears they are not interested in showing it. If Rudy offered it and they decided not to take him up on it, who’s fault is that. They don’t WANT you to see it. Is that so hard to understand?
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You know that it is Joe Biden that is the candidate? Not his son?
The idea is that he replaces the complete Trump family at the White House ( Me, Mum and Dad)
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not by members of his family, but by people that actually have some knowledge in their specific field.
Joe Biden was Vice President when he got the prosecutor fired. If he did that to protect his son and what may even be some of his own money, it's a federal violation. At a minimum, it should be considered by the public before they vote for him in much the same way as potential violations claimed about Trump.
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You want to know where it is, ask the MSM. It appears they are not interested in showing it. If Rudy offered it and they decided not to take him up on it, who’s fault is that. They don’t WANT you to see it. Is that so hard to understand?
Who's MSM?
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You want to know where it is, ask the MSM. It appears they are not interested in showing it. If Rudy offered it and they decided not to take him up on it, who’s fault is that. They don’t WANT you to see it. Is that so hard to understand?
Well, if the NYT turned down Giuliani's offer of copies of thousands of photos, emails, and videos, I would take that into consideration. I would probably want to verify that Giuliani actually made the offer in good faith, and that the NYT actually turned him down. The other thing is, if Giuliani wanted the thousands of photo, emails, and videos to get out there so everyone could see them, why wouldn't he just tell the New York Post to release the stuff? I mean that way he wouldn't need to make another set of copies, and the New York Post could sell a lot of papers. Making copies of that stuff has got to be tedious. Also, do you have any idea what law firms charge for copies? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
I mean if Giuliani wants to nail Biden, and snatch victory from the the jaws of defeat, he might want to rethink his strategy. If Trump loses, what is Giuliani going to say? Not my fault, I offered the stuff to the NYT, and the NYT turned me down, so I just kept it in my briefcase.
I hate to be crass, but it sure looks like Giuliani and friends are just farting around. And when you are just farting around, people don't take you seriously. It could be that Giuliani can't focus on this Hunter Biden stuff because he still has his hand in his pants pretending he wants to get laid. That's a possibility.
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Viktor Mykolayovych Shokin is a former Prosecutor General of Ukraine. Having previously worked as an investigator for the Prosecutor General Office, he served as Prosecutor General for a year between 2015 and 2016.
He was removed from office in March 2016 by a vote in the Ukrainian Parliament following pressure from the European Union, the United States, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015, replacing Vitaly Yarema. He was a controversial appointee due to his perceived role in blocking prosecutions against those accused of shooting demonstrators in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution. As Prosecutor General, he was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine.
Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.
Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office. His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. Shokin was also criticized in Ukraine for failing to prosecute snipers who killed demonstrators during the revolution, as well as for failing to investigate corrupt businesses.
On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation, although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.
On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money. AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin. In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".
On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kiev court to investigate AntAC. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. The European Union praised Shokin's dismissal due to a "lack of tangible results" of his office's investigations, and also because people in Shokin's office were themselves being investigated.
In 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Pshonka began investigating Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010–2012.
In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.
Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings. However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.
The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.
Representatives of the EU and the United States pressed Poroshenko for his removal, as did the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.
In March 2016 the Ukrainian Parliament voted overwhelmingly to remove Shokin, a decision which was welcomed by the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin)
That's just the brief overview of how corrupt Viktor Shokin was and is. There is a huge voluminous record of evidence regarding his corruption and connections.
The broad condemnation of Shokin by: Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the U.S. and EU governments, the IMF and World Bank, the anticorruption groups and ordinary citizens of Ukraine, and finally the Ukrainian Parliament was not driven by Joe Biden. Vice-Presidents don't have any political power except to break tie votes in the Senate. Beyond that, Vice-Presidents are simply messengers for official U.S. policy that is decided by others.
The international effort to replace Shokin was driven by a desire to put Ukraine on a path to root out corruption in their country. The desire to make Ukraine less corrupt was to make it more tenable to support the Ukrainian war against Russian invasion. It's much more difficult to justify supporting the war effort of a corrupt government even when the cause, in this case Russian invasion, is justifiable. In addition, there is a strong desire among western democracies to see Ukraine become an acceptably functional democracy as part of the western alliance that opposes Russia's government of corrupt oligarchy rather than a mirror and subservient partner of Russia as the extraordinarily corrupt Russian dominated Ukrainian government was prior to their 2014 revolution.
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Here's some more inconvenient information for the Trumplets to ignore: 700 economists including seven Nobel winners, are urging Trump's defeat.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/economy/economists-oppose-trump-election/index.html
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Viktor Mykolayovych Shokin is a former Prosecutor General of Ukraine. Having previously worked as an investigator for the Prosecutor General Office, he served as Prosecutor General for a year between 2015 and 2016.
He was removed from office in March 2016 by a vote in the Ukrainian Parliament following pressure from the European Union, the United States, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015, replacing Vitaly Yarema. He was a controversial appointee due to his perceived role in blocking prosecutions against those accused of shooting demonstrators in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution. As Prosecutor General, he was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine.
Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.
Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office. His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. Shokin was also criticized in Ukraine for failing to prosecute snipers who killed demonstrators during the revolution, as well as for failing to investigate corrupt businesses.
On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation, although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.
On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money. AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin. In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".
On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kiev court to investigate AntAC. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. The European Union praised Shokin's dismissal due to a "lack of tangible results" of his office's investigations, and also because people in Shokin's office were themselves being investigated.
In 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Pshonka began investigating Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010–2012.
In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.
Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings. However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.
The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.
Representatives of the EU and the United States pressed Poroshenko for his removal, as did the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.
In March 2016 the Ukrainian Parliament voted overwhelmingly to remove Shokin, a decision which was welcomed by the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin)
That's just the brief overview of how corrupt Viktor Shokin was and is. There is a huge voluminous record of evidence regarding his corruption and connections.
The broad condemnation of Shokin by: Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the U.S. and EU governments, the IMF and World Bank, the anticorruption groups and ordinary citizens of Ukraine, and finally the Ukrainian Parliament was not driven by Joe Biden. Vice-Presidents don't have any political power except to break tie votes in the Senate. Beyond that, Vice-Presidents are simply messengers for official U.S. policy that is decided by others.
The international effort to replace Shokin was driven by a desire to put Ukraine on a path to root out corruption in their country. The desire to make Ukraine less corrupt was to make it more tenable to support the Ukrainian war against Russian invasion. It's much more difficult to justify supporting the war effort of a corrupt government even when the cause, in this case Russian invasion, is justifiable. In addition, there is a strong desire among western democracies to see Ukraine become an acceptably functional democracy as part of the western alliance that opposes Russia's government of corrupt oligarchy rather than a mirror of, and subservient partner to, Russia as the extraordinarily corrupt Russian dominated government was prior to the 2014 revolution in Ukraine.
So you want us to believe that VP Biden got the prosecutor fired because he was not doing his job investigating Burisma, the company Hunter Biden was getting millions from, so that Ukraine would install a prosecutor that would do a better job investigating Hunter's Burisma.
I could just imagine a conversation that would have happened between Hunter and his father Joe.
"Gees Pop. What are you doing to me?" "The only reason Burisma was giving me millions was for you to cover our corrupt practices. We were all fine with Shokin who wasn't investigating us. Now that you got him fired, who knows what the new prosecutor will do to us."
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Well, if the NYT turned down Giuliani's offer of copies of thousands of photos, emails, and videos, I would take that into consideration. I would probably want to verify that Giuliani actually made the offer in good faith, and that the NYT actually turned him down. The other thing is, if Giuliani wanted the thousands of photo, emails, and videos to get out there so everyone could see them, why wouldn't he just tell the New York Post to release the stuff? I mean that way he wouldn't need to make another set of copies, and the New York Post could sell a lot of papers. Making copies of that stuff has got to be tedious. Also, do you have any idea what law firms charge for copies? You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
I mean if Giuliani wants to nail Biden, and snatch victory from the the jaws of defeat, he might want to rethink his strategy. If Trump loses, what is Giuliani going to say? Not my fault, I offered the stuff to the NYT, and the NYT turned me down, so I just kept it in my briefcase.
I hate to be crass, but it sure looks like Giuliani and friends are just farting around. And when you are just farting around, people don't take you seriously. It could be that Giuliani can't focus on this Hunter Biden stuff because he still has his hand in his pants pretending he wants to get laid. That's a possibility.
What flavor of kook aid is your favorite?
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Viktor Mykolayovych Shokin is a former Prosecutor General of Ukraine. Having previously worked as an investigator for the Prosecutor General Office, he served as Prosecutor General for a year between 2015 and 2016...
It is a valiant effort, but I don't think the Trumpers are going to read all this, and if they did, they are certainly not going to believe it. But keep up the good fight, knowing some of us will.
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Viktor Mykolayovych Shokin is a former Prosecutor General of Ukraine. Having previously worked as an investigator for the Prosecutor General Office, he served as Prosecutor General for a year between 2015 and 2016.
He was removed from office in March 2016 by a vote in the Ukrainian Parliament following pressure from the European Union, the United States, the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.
Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015, replacing Vitaly Yarema. He was a controversial appointee due to his perceived role in blocking prosecutions against those accused of shooting demonstrators in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution. As Prosecutor General, he was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine.
Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held.
Through 2015 and early 2016, domestic and international pressure (including from the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD) built for Shokin to be removed from office. The Obama administration withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees to pressure the Ukrainian government to remove Shokin from office. His Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, announced his resignation on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. Shokin was also criticized in Ukraine for failing to prosecute snipers who killed demonstrators during the revolution, as well as for failing to investigate corrupt businesses.
On 16 February 2016, Shokin submitted a letter of resignation, although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated, "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin.
On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On the same day, his office carried out a raid against one of Ukraine's leading anti-corruption groups, the Anti-Corruption Action Center (AntAC), claiming that it had misappropriated aid money. AntAC was a frequent critic of the Prosecutor General's Office under Shokin. In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".
On 28 March, protesters called for Shokin's firing, after his office was authorized by a Kiev court to investigate AntAC. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. The European Union praised Shokin's dismissal due to a "lack of tangible results" of his office's investigations, and also because people in Shokin's office were themselves being investigated.
In 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Pshonka began investigating Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010–2012.
In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.
Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings. However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.
The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.
Representatives of the EU and the United States pressed Poroshenko for his removal, as did the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.
In March 2016 the Ukrainian Parliament voted overwhelmingly to remove Shokin, a decision which was welcomed by the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin)
That's just the brief overview of how corrupt Viktor Shokin was and is. There is a huge voluminous record of evidence regarding his corruption and connections.
The broad condemnation of Shokin by: Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the U.S. and EU governments, the IMF and World Bank, the anticorruption groups and ordinary citizens of Ukraine, and finally the Ukrainian Parliament was not driven by Joe Biden. Vice-Presidents don't have any political power except to break tie votes in the Senate. Beyond that, Vice-Presidents are simply messengers for official U.S. policy that is decided by others.
The international effort to replace Shokin was driven by a desire to put Ukraine on a path to root out corruption in their country. The desire to make Ukraine less corrupt was to make it more tenable to support the Ukrainian war against Russian invasion. It's much more difficult to justify supporting the war effort of a corrupt government even when the cause, in this case Russian invasion, is justifiable. In addition, there is a strong desire among western democracies to see Ukraine become an acceptably functional democracy as part of the western alliance that opposes Russia's government of corrupt oligarchy rather than a mirror and subservient partner of Russia as the extraordinarily corrupt Russian dominated Ukrainian government was prior to their 2014 revolution.
Wow, I never know Shokin was working for the Chinese too. Imagine that.
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It is a valiant effort, but I don't think the Trumpers are going to read all this, and if they did, they are certainly not going to believe it. But keep up the good fight, knowing some of us will.
Shokin is old news, but you are right it’s a valiant attempt by Wilfred to try and change the subject.
Too bad he failed miserably.
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What flavor of kook aid is your favorite?
It is against my interest to do so, but I recommend that you call Giuliani and tell him to get his head out of his ass and open the briefcase. You are running out of time.
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Here's some more inconvenient information for the Trumplets to ignore: 700 economists including seven Nobel winners, are urging Trump's defeat.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/economy/economists-oppose-trump-election/index.html
Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration. Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades. His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.
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The plot thickens.
I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in in to testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?
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I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobonski guy to come in into testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is.? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?
He sent the senate a big ole pile of information. You really need to try and stay up to speed.
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It is against my interest to do so, but I recommend that you tell Giuliani to get his head out of his ass and open the briefcase. You are running out of time.
No we are not, just because the MSM is trying their darnest to keep a lid on this it is still coming out. Watch the Wall Street Journal.
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Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration. Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades. His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.
Not ezactly.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50518189327_853425ccbe_c.jpg)
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Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration.
And you know this ... how? You don't of course, just another in an endless list of excuses for Cheeto.
Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades. His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.
This has been explained about 50,000 times - all that you say is false or misleading. Figuring that the 50,001st time won't make a difference, I will not bother. But if you're happy believing this claptrap, I would not want to spoil your fun.
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I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in into testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?
Bobulinski apparently is an ex-Navy guy who's donated to many Democratic campaigns and was involved in business deals with the Bidens.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs confirmed that it has reached out to Tony Bobulinski regarding his connection to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
https://www.newsweek.com/senate-committee-looking-tony-bobulinski-after-allegations-hunter-bidens-business-partner-1541390
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So you want us to believe that VP Biden got the prosecutor fired because he was not doing his job investigating Burisma, the company Hunter Biden was getting millions from, so that Ukraine would install a prosecutor that would do a better job investigating Hunter's Burisma.
That is the reality. It requires a willful ideological blindness to facts to believe otherwise. Of course within the U.S. and EU governments and world financial institutions, discussions and criticism related to Shokin's massive and widespread corruption, wasn't limited to only Burisma.
Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.
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Not ezactly.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50518189327_853425ccbe_c.jpg)
Yes exactly. None of your graphs disprove my statement which I'll repeat for convenience:
His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.
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He sent the senate a big ole pile of information. You really need to try and stay up to speed.
I read where he said he was going to, but I don't know if he has gotten around to it yet. Did Ron Johnson say he's gotten it? I admit I may have missed it if he did.
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What flavor of kook aid is your favorite?
Whatever the Republicans are drinking as it seems to rev their engines into overdrive trying to hold onto power by whatever means they can conjure up.
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That is the reality. It requires a willful ideological blindness to facts to believe otherwise. Of course within the U.S. and EU governments and world financial institutions, discussions and criticism related to Shokin's massive and widespread corruption, wasn't limited to only Burisma.
Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.
Money talks. BS walks. The IMF, World Bank, EU, etc were impotent. It was America that was holding back $1 billion dollars that the Ukrainian government desperately needed, I think for arms. It was Biden who told them to fire Shokin or they won't get the money. And they did, within hours. He bragged about that publicly. Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY
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Bobulinski apparently is an ex-Navy guy who's donated to many Democratic campaigns and was involved in business deals with the Bidens.
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs confirmed that it has reached out to Tony Bobulinski regarding his connection to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
https://www.newsweek.com/senate-committee-looking-tony-bobulinski-after-allegations-hunter-bidens-business-partner-1541390
So the Senate Committee "has reached out". Well, you have to start somewhere I guess. What's the time frame for getting to the bottom of this?
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It was Biden who told them to fire Shokin or they won't get the money. And they did, within hours. He bragged about that publicly.
So you also believe that Biden corruptly, through some mysterious hidden political power of his own, controlled the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that was actually pursuing corruption cases, and then went and publicly bragged about it. For what reason? To show off this mysterious power that you believe that he had? You're living in a pure fantasy ideological dream world. You just ignore all of the pressure coming from many countries and financial institutions as that doesn't fit inside the bubble.
Money talks. BS walks. The IMF, World Bank, EU, etc were impotent. It was America that was holding back $1 billion dollars that the Ukrainian government desperately needed, I think for arms.
Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking. The IMF was threatening to withhold $40 Billion dollars of financial aid during this time period. The U.S. $1 Billion loan guarantee was a drop in the bucket by comparison. And the $1 Billion from the U.S. was a loan guarantee, not an arms deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde)
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/)
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Watch the Wall Street Journal.
Okay. I checked today's WSJ and didn't see anything other than confirmation that the Senate Judicial Committee has authorized subpoenas for Facebook and Twitter. Apparently my subscription has expired, so I couldn't read the whole story to find out when they were scheduled to testify. I'll check again tomorrow.
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Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking.
The recommended interpretation is that the word "your" be taken as the plural usage.
I'm reminded of bricks and calculus, but at least bricks aren't intransigent. :)
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Whatever the Republicans are drinking as it seems to rev their engines into overdrive trying to hold onto power by whatever means they can conjure up.
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Yea, the Democrats don’t engage in anything like that at all.
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What I want to know ... did adults back in the 1980s actually think that space trvael could ever be like commercial jet travel?
Watching the new Netflix doc on the Challenger and it is beyond me that anyone would actually think strapping multi-ton rockets on a small ship would ever be near the safety requirements for planes. I would love to go into space, but would be fully aware that my chances of dying WHENEVER are higher then average.
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But worse than that for Joe Biden was that he used his position of VP to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma
Shokin is old news
Apparently Allan disagrees.
but you are right it’s a valiant attempt by Wilfred to try and change the subject.
Just trying to introduce some facts into the discussion started by Allan's erroneous belief as expressed in his comment.
Too bad he failed miserably.
Don't look now, but your insecurities are showing.
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Okay. I checked today's WSJ and didn't see anything other than confirmation that the Senate Judicial Committee has authorized subpoenas for Facebook and Twitter. Apparently my subscription has expired, so I couldn't read the whole story to find out when they were scheduled to testify. I'll check again tomorrow.
Give it time. Tomorrow might be a very interesting day
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Apparently Allan disagrees.
Just trying to introduce some facts into the discussion started by Allan's erroneous belief as expressed in his comment.
Don't look now, but your insecurities are showing.
So Wilfred, your abilities now extend to knowing if I’m insecure? You are simply amazing.
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I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in in to testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?
Bobulinski just held a press conference. He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.
I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.
But then again it just might be some “insecurities” on my part.
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What I want to know ... did adults back in the 1980s actually think that space trvael could ever be like commercial jet travel?
Sure, even before the 1980s. Haven't you ever seen 2001: A Space Odyssey?
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Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.
Did I mention the Illuminati? I'm pretty sure that's the key.
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Bobulinski just held a press conference. He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.
Wow. And I thought I had an old phone. My daughter's not going to believe this.
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So you also believe that Biden corruptly, through some mysterious hidden political power of his own, controlled the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that was actually pursuing corruption cases, and then went and publicly bragged about it. For what reason? To show off this mysterious power that you believe that he had? You're living in a pure fantasy ideological dream world. You just ignore all of the pressure coming from many countries and financial institutions as that doesn't fit inside the bubble.
Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking. The IMF was threatening to withhold $40 Billion dollars of financial aid during this time period. The U.S. $1 Billion loan guarantee was a drop in the bucket by comparison. And the $1 Billion from the U.S. was a loan guarantee, not an arms deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde)
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/ (https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/)
So Biden is a lying braggart. Well he is an admitted serial plagiarist too. Well, those are better than being corrupt.
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Wow. And I thought I had an old phone. My daughter's not going to believe this.
Looks like he is a smart man and had the forethought to cove his butt.
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Bobulinski just held a press conference. He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.
I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.
But then again it just might be some “insecurities” on my part.
Biden will continue to be protected by the media.
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Biden will continue to be protected by the media.
The media, big tech and the Democratic Party appear to be colluding to withhold information from the American public to influence the election.
They make Russia look like a piker.
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The media, big tech and the Democratic Party appear to be colluding to withhold information from the American public to influence the election.
They make Russia look like a piker.
It's been going on for years. Even before Trump.
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Bobulinski just held a press conference. He is meeting with Johnson tomorrow and he is giving the FBI his electronic devices from the time frame in question.
I think Biden is going to need a lot of help going forward.
I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it. As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017. But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?
IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened? Assuming that's true, is it great? No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.
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I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it. As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017. But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?
IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened? Assuming that's true, is it great? No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.
You keep coming back to taxes. Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!
Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.
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You keep coming back to taxes. Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!
Sure. Anything is possible. What have you got?
Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.
Sure. Anything is possible. What have you got?
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You keep coming back to taxes. Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!
Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.
All technically possible, but that's speculation, and it would require that Biden doesn't even have the resources/smarts/etc. to do it "right," which is nonsensical. What possible reason would he have to commit blatant tax fraud in 2017? If it was future consideration being held back, so what? Equity is held back all the time.
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I dunno.. I'm still just not seeing it. As best I can see, the big thing here is that Bobulinski is supposed to confirm that Hunter Biden tried to get Joe involved in some Chinese/US company... in 2017. But from Biden's tax records we know Biden isn't an owner of any ventures in China, so....?
IS the takeaway that Joe said he never talked business with Hunter, so he lied about something that, so far as we can tell, never actually happened? Assuming that's true, is it great? No, not really, but I find it hard to believe that lying about intl. business deals is a disqualifier for Trump supporters.
Doing business with foreign countries as a private person is the American way. Using your vice presidential position to enrich yourself or your family is an impeachable offense.
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You keep coming back to taxes. Do you think it’s possible the money is being hidden, or as the documents suggest, being held by others!
Heck maybe Biden has a Chinese bank account.
Xi's holding it and won't give it to him until tariffs on China are dropped. :)
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Using your vice presidential position to enrich yourself or your family is an impeachable offense.
Such delicious irony.
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All technically possible, but that's speculation, and it would require that Biden doesn't even have the resources/smarts/etc. to do it "right," which is nonsensical. What possible reason would he have to commit blatant tax fraud in 2017? If it was future consideration being held back, so what? Equity is held back all the time.
Who pays taxes on cash made under the table? It's un-American.
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Such delicious irony.
Trump was never charged with enrichment nor impeached for it. The irony is if Biden, a Democrat, is charged with it.
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Doing business with foreign countries as a private person is the American way.
Alan, who was VP in 2017?
Using your vice presidential position to enrich yourself or your family is an impeachable offense.
Must be fine, however, to use your presidential position for that?
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Trump was never charged with enrichment nor impeached for it. The irony is if Biden, a Democrat, is charged with it.
Biden was charged with something? Do you have a link where I can read about that?
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Alan, who was VP in 2017?
Must be fine, however, to use your presidential position for that?
Biden wasn't a private person when the deals with Burisma and China were done. He was the VP. I already answered the question about Trump above.
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Biden was charged with something? Do you have a link where I can read about that?
Sorry. You apparently don't understand my post.
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Sorry. You apparently don't understand my post.
Maybe you could rephrase it. I think you need to explain what you mean by the word "charged".
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Maybe you could rephrase it. I think you need to explain what you mean by the word "charged".
Trump was never indicted for enrichment nor impeached for it. But my main point is that Biden still could be if he did what's being alluded to and becomes president. Although the question then would be can a president be impeached for what he did formally as a vice president? Interesting legal question.
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Trump was never indicted for enrichment nor impeached for it. But my main point is that Biden still could be if he did what's being alluded to and becomes president. Although the question then would be can a president be impeached for what he did formally as a vice president? Interesting legal question.
You initially said Biden “is charged”. Now you say Biden “still could be” charged in the future. Which is it?
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All technically possible, but that's speculation, and it would require that Biden doesn't even have the resources/smarts/etc. to do it "right," which is nonsensical. What possible reason would he have to commit blatant tax fraud in 2017? If it was future consideration being held back, so what? Equity is held back all the time.
It’s all speculation James, until we get to the bottom of it, which we may. Of course that may not happen either. The techies and MSM have sure worked hard to keep it quiet.
What reason? Why does anyone decide to break the law? I submit it’s because they don’t think they will get caught.
One thing is for certain, Biden laid down some pretty clear statements tonight, and if the are false and can be proven, it might com e back to bite him.
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So does anyone think tonight’s debate changed any votes or helped any undecideds decide? My own view is that it was a complete waste of time for candidates and viewers alike, and that unless you were a news and politics junkie like some of us, most of the time you wouldn’t have had any idea what either one of them was talking about.
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I agree. Mostly same old, same old.
It was, however, obvious that somebody took Trump out to the woodshed before his appearance tonight.
He even got a haircut. Maybe that'll swing some votes his way.
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Trump had to absolutely demolish Biden to move any votes. He didn't do that. I've been watching CNN and MSNBC and they're pretty strong with the idea that Biden won, but I believe their bias is showing. I think it was dead heat and mostly a waste of time, which amounts to a Biden win, because that's all he had to do.
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I think Trump's relative calmness to the first debate may have given some undecideds the ok to give him the vote. Biden's going to lose votes in PA,Texas, etc for his comment that he's going to get rid of oil. Reminds me of Hillary's comment about coal.
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I think Trump's relative calmness to the first debate may have given some undecideds the ok to give him the vote. Biden's going to lose votes in PA,Texas, etc for his comment that he's going to get rid of oil. Reminds me of Hillary's comment about coal.
So, you would prefer - and it certainly seems to be the case - a candidate who bullshits you? Hilliary Clinton was right about coal...
Wikipedia, the opening lines regarding US coal production:
"Coal mining in the United States is an industry in transition. Production in 2017 was down 33% from the peak production of 1,162.7 million short tons (1,055 million metric tons) in 2006. Employment of 50,000 coal miners is down from a peak of 883,000 in 1923."
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I think Trump's relative calmness to the first debate may have given some undecideds the ok to give him the vote.
Of course, it would only be that sliver of undecideds who have been living under a rock and so haven’t been assaulted daily with the unhinged rantings and ravings of a lunatic for the past five years, and who have decided not to turn on the TV between now and the election, and will therefore miss all of the fireworks, including Trump’s Oscar winning portrayal of a really expensive Roman candle. They are having a convention next week where Tiffany Trump will gush about her dear old dad interminably and really seal the deal. Oh, and they just all happen to live in battleground states, having moved there from North Dakota. Those undecideds? Sure, that’s possible.
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So, you would prefer - and it certainly seems to be the case - a candidate who bullshits you? Hilliary Clinton was right about coal...
Wikipedia, the opening lines regarding US coal production:
"Coal mining in the United States is an industry in transition. Production in 2017 was down 33% from the peak production of 1,162.7 million short tons (1,055 million metric tons) in 2006. Employment of 50,000 coal miners is down from a peak of 883,000 in 1923."
She was right about coal but wrong about coal miners. She showed disdain for their plight of losing their jobs. So she lost the vote of the common man and the election.
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Of course, it would only be that sliver of undecideds who have been living under a rock and so haven’t been assaulted daily with the unhinged rantings and ravings of a lunatic for the past five years, and who have decided not to turn on the TV between now and the election, and will therefore miss all of the fireworks, including Trump’s Oscar winning portrayal of a really expensive Roman candle. They are having a convention next week where Tiffany Trump will gush about her dear old dad and really seal thr deal. Oh, and they just all happen to live in battleground states, having moved there from North Dakota. Those undecideds. Sure, that’s possible.
You may be right. On the other hand, the 50 million who have voted already don't contain the undecideds. These would wait until the end at least for the last debate to make up their minds. Also there will be those who may change their minds because of the debate.
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So does anyone think tonight’s debate changed any votes or helped any undecideds decide? My own view is that it was a complete waste of time for candidates and viewers alike, and that unless you were a news and politics junkie like some of us, most of the time you wouldn’t have had any idea what either one of them was talking about.
Yea I think it might and it could turn on one single statement by Biden. He went on and on about how he was not going to end fracking. His plans have us carbon neutral by what, 2035? So when pushed about not ending fracking he said he was going to "transistion" away from oil. Thats code for ending the oil industry. Trump pounced on that and you can bet that in all of the oil states Joe needs to win Trump will beat him about the head with that statement.
The race is getting razor thin in a whole bunch of key states. A point or too could be a big deal.
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So, you would prefer - and it certainly seems to be the case - a candidate who bullshits you? Hilliary Clinton was right about coal.
I’ll cut Trump some slack. Every politician since the French and Indian Wars who has campaigned in West Virginia has said that he is the coal miners’ friend and, if elected, will introduce legislation on his first day in office that requires all appliance manufacturers to make their washers, dryers, refrigerators, and even toasters and carving knives, coal powered. The coal miners don’t believe it for a minute, but it is a tradition, and if you don’t say it, they won’t vote for you. And you don’t even have to say it with a straight face. Hillary wouldn’t say it, something about principles, and the rest is history. I don't know why Hillary suddenly discovered her principles in West Virginia, but I bet you could write a pretty good country music song about it. Wouldn't it be awesome if Hillary sang the song as a duet with Dolly Parton, and it became a big hit?
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Hillary calling voters deplorables is not a winning strategy.
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I didn't watch the "debate", I never watch those things, not even Canadian ones. But I did read parts of some analyses of the debate. After the discussion on these pages in the last 24-36 hours, I was half expecting a mondo Hunter-based attack that would cripple Biden's chances. I gather the topic came up but no KO punch was landed. I presume this must be because Trump is holding back on that, preferring to land a killer Tweet at a more optimum time. We'll see, I guess.
I got a kick out of this article about the pre-show warmup, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/hunter-biden-wins-the-debate-431558 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/hunter-biden-wins-the-debate-431558). I like all the stuff about manila folders and paper shuffling. All that killer info and they didn't pass it on to FOX or other friendly reporters to make public. Must be Trump's innate sense of chivalry, I guess he doesn't want to win that way. A noble act. I especially like the phone props at one press conference. Since no one was permitted to examine those phones, for all we know they picked them up on kijiji cheap yesterday morning. It would be easy enough to get the MEI numbers of the phones (I think it's called MEI) and trace previous owners to see if they were "real" or "fake" phones. Unless the "deep state" hasn't already tampered with the MEI data base, that is.
Speaking of the "deep state". How is it that the "deep state" can be so miraculously effective that it can thwart Trump's attempts since 2016 to find reasons to jail Hilary, Joe and even Obama. I mean, he is the President after all and a really effective one we're told, and even though his party had the majority in both houses (for a time) and had his own flunkies in key cabinet positions, no progress was made on those files. How can the "deep state" have such super powers even though we're told time and time again how inefficient and incompetent government is? I mean, how can that be.
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Hillary calling voters deplorables is not a winning strategy.
And she lost. We all know this by now. Why are you still obsessing about Hilary?
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You may be right. On the other hand, the 50 million who have voted already don't contain the undecideds. These would wait until the end at least for the last debate to make up their minds. Also there will be those who may change their minds because of the debate.
So are you saying that the sliver of undecideds is even smaller than I described? That's possible too. I just wanted to build in a little leeway.
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I had trouble believing this when I read it. Trump had plans to defund Covid health spending in Democratic "anarchist" cities? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/white-house-cuts-city-funds-coronavirus-430498 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/white-house-cuts-city-funds-coronavirus-430498)
Who could even think up something this repulsive, other than guys like Stalin in Ukraine maybe? I certainly hope this is not real.
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I had trouble believing this when I read it. Trump had plans to defund Covid health spending in Democratic "anarchist" cities? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/white-house-cuts-city-funds-coronavirus-430498 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/white-house-cuts-city-funds-coronavirus-430498)
Who could even think up something this repulsive, other than guys like Stalin in Ukraine maybe? I certainly hope this is not real.
I know right. It's almost as bad as telling business owners they are going to have to shut down again while raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
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And she lost. We all know this by now. Why are you still obsessing about Hilary?
Obviously, you're not keeping up. I was responding to another poster who brought her up regarding Biden's mistake of mentioning he wants to do away with oil.
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Yea I think it might and it could turn on one single statement by Biden. He went on and on about how he was not going to end fracking. His plans have us carbon neutral by what, 2035? So when pushed about not ending fracking he said he was going to "transistion" away from oil. Thats code for ending the oil industry. Trump pounced on that and you can bet that in all of the oil states Joe needs to win Trump will beat him about the head with that statement.
The race is getting razor thin in a whole bunch of key states. A point or too could be a big deal.
I think that quote is going to cost him PA.
The debate last night was pivotal for Trump. He made no mistakes, he did not step on any rakes and hit himself in the head, and Biden totally blew it on a lot of things.
Another was his dark winter and we may need to lock down again. That may play well in NY and CA, but in PA, and other swing states, it just does not. Trump promoted hope and getting back to normal while Biden promoted cowering inside and running away. Not a good look; people are tired of it.
Biden's comments on his son's businesses actions is going to dog him as well, and people are going to start reading about it. Biden also basically called a veteran a lier when talking about Bobiluski's confirmation of Joe Biden being involved in his son's deals.
Right now, I would say Trump is back on tract to win. Two polls this week showed Trump within 2 and 3 points nationally. Trafalgar, which called the election last time and takes into account apprehensions from Trump supporters to tell pollster they plan to vote for Trump, predicts Trump will win MI and, now, probably PA. FL, NC, AZ, and TX will not even be close like the polls are saying. Here's hoping!
If you asked last week, I would have said best case we keep the Senate. Last night changed my view on that.
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I know right. It's almost as bad as telling business owners they are going to have to shut down again while raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
But think of all the money the business owners will save on minimum wages when they shut down. :o
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"The way he kisses dictators' butts. I mean, the way he ignores that the Uyghurs are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang right now. He hasn't lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong Kongers ... The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership. The way he treats women and spends like a drunken sailor ... He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with White supremacists."
And regarding the pandemic: "The reality is that he careened from curb to curb. First, he ignored Covid. And then he went into full economic shutdown mode. He was the one who said 10 to 14 days of shutdown would fix this, and that was always wrong, so I don't think the way he's led through Covid has been reasonable or responsible or right."
Direct quotes from Ben Sasse, Republican senator from Nebraska
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I think that quote is going to cost him PA.
The debate last night was pivotal for Trump. He made no mistakes, he did not step on any rakes and hit himself in the head, and Biden totally blew it on a lot of things.
Another was his dark winter and we may need to lock down again. That may play well in NY and CA, but in PA, and other swing states, it just does not. Trump promoted hope and getting back to normal while Biden promoted cowering inside and running away. Not a good look; people are tired of it.
Biden's comments on his son's businesses actions is going to dog him as well, and people are going to start reading about it. Biden also basically called a veteran a lier when talking about Bobiluski's confirmation of Joe Biden being involved in his son's deals.
Right now, I would say Trump is back on tract to win. Two polls this week showed Trump within 2 and 3 points nationally. Trafalgar, which called the election last time and takes into account apprehensions from Trump supporters to tell pollster they plan to vote for Trump, predicts Trump will win MI and, now, probably PA. FL, NC, AZ, and TX will not even be close like the polls are saying. Here's hoping!
If you asked last week, I would have said best case we keep the Senate. Last night changed my view on that.
I don't know if if he turned it around in time or enough. But I agree he stopped the hemorrhaging. I think people saw him as rationale and tough as well as in control. They may forget about his contretemps long enough to pull the levers for him. We'll see shortly.
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But think of all the money the business owners will save on minimum wages when they shut down. :o
There's always a way to spin it I guess, and I would not be surprised if some Dem actually used that.
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Losing the election is bad for his imago/business; the Trademark TRUMP is then the trademark of a loser.
If he leaves after 8 years it is because he has to. Big difference.
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I don't know if if he turned it around in time or enough. But I agree he stopped the hemorrhaging. I think people saw him as rationale and tough as well as in control. They may forget about his contretemps long enough to pull the levers for him. We'll see shortly.
Polling is a lagging indicator; it shows where the country was a week or two prior to the poll being released. If the race tighten to 2 or 3 points beginning of this week, I think Trump has it. The Republicans have an advantage with how the electoral map currently is.
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Losing the election is bad for his imago/business; He then is a loser. If he leaves after 8 years it is because he has to. Big difference.
Now that is a Red Herring to a conversation if I ever saw one.
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The debate last night was pivotal for Trump. He made no mistakes, he did not step on any rakes and hit himself in the head, and Biden totally blew it on a lot of things.
Gosh, I dunno. That's not what they said on CNN.
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I don't know if if he turned it around in time or enough. But I agree he stopped the hemorrhaging. I think people saw him as rationale...
Bwahahahaha! Hey honey, I need one of those computer screen wipes that are in the utility drawer.
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The amount of magical thinking on this thread in recent days is reaching epic proportions. The humor is better than the old Seinfeld episodes and they were darn good. Keep up the posts, it's great entertainment.
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Gosh, I dunno. That's not what they said on CNN.
The Clinton News Network, does not surprise me.
Did you see the clip of Stelter being called out for his BS from a 30+ year fellow reporter? CNN has not credibility left, especially since they claim to non-biased.
I give MSNBC respect for admitting they are left leaning, but CNN is nothing but a trash heap anymore.
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The amount of magical thinking on this thread in recent days is reaching epic proportions. The humor is better than the old Seinfeld episodes and they were darn good. Keep up the posts, it's great entertainment.
And people were thinking the same thing in 2016.
FYI, not that my mother is some mystical soothsayer, but she hates Trump and has been a life long Dem and is leaning towards voting for him. In PA, I see 2016 playing itself out all over again.
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The increasing covid numbers don't bode well for Trump. Unless the virus disappears magically before Nov 3.
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Losing the election is bad for his imago/business; the Trademark TRUMP is then the trademark of a loser.
If he leaves after 8 years it is because he has to. Big difference.
Trump has had his fair share of loses and he still stands. Winning in 2016 did far more damage to his brand.
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How can the "deep state" have such super powers even though we're told time and time again how inefficient and incompetent government is? I mean, how can that be.
You just need to brush up on your Ralph Waldo Emerson:
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
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The amount of magical thinking on this thread in recent days is reaching epic proportions. The humor is better than the old Seinfeld episodes and they were darn good. Keep up the posts, it's great entertainment.
I said I was not going to gloat if Trump won. I might have to change my mind, just for the entertainment value.
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And she lost. We all know this by now. Why are you still obsessing about Hilary?
It is a little like juggling, you can only keep so many obsessions in the air at one time.
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The Clinton News Network, does not surprise me.
Did you see the clip of Stelter being called out for his BS from a 30+ year fellow reporter? CNN has not credibility left, especially since they claim to non-biased.
I give MSNBC respect for admitting they are left leaning, but CNN is nothing but a trash heap anymore.
I was kidding. I don't watch CNN. I just made it up. But it is probably true.
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FYI, not that my mother is some mystical soothsayer, but she hates Trump and has been a life long Dem and is leaning towards voting for him.
Does she have a bunch of fracking stocks in her retirement portfolio or something?
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I said I was not going to gloat if Trump won. I might have to change my mind, just for the entertainment value.
I am pretty sure the winner's supporters will gloat, and everyone else will update their wills before heading over to Walmart to buy a gun.
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I am pretty sure the winner's supporters will gloat, and everyone else will update their wills before heading over to Walmart to buy a gun.
Really? Regardless of what happens we will all just continue to get on with our lives and take whatever comes. Well at least thats what should happen.
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Really? Regardless of what happens we will all just continue to get on with our lives and take whatever comes. Well at least thats what should happen.
Let's hope for the best. Nothing like that will happen for a while. We might have to go through that whole voter fraud Proud Boys scenario first.
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Who could even think up something this repulsive, other than guys like Stalin in Ukraine maybe? I certainly hope this is not real.
I think I remember that Trump tried to cut off some types of federal funding to sanctuary cities, but was prevented from doing so by the courts. I would have to do some research to verify that. He did talk about it on many occasions.
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And another ...
Sudan to join UAE, Bahrain in recognizing Israel (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sudan-to-join-uae-bahrain-in-recognizing-israel)
Biden just cant get in there any quicker and bring back a Middle East normalcy of wars, terrorist attacks, Iran becoming a nuclear power, putting us dependent on the S.A. by banning fracking here, you know, just sending the whole region back to hell.
I know some will try to down play this, but keep in mind it was in Sudan that the Arab world met in 1967 to agree to never have peace with Israel.
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I know some will try to down play this, but keep in mind it was in Sudan that the Arab world met in 1967 to agree to never have peace with Israel.
If there is one thing we have learned, things can shift quickly in the Middle East. That meeting occurred only fifty three years ago. Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with picking off the low hanging fruit to gain momentum. I just wish I better understood what the US, Israel, and these other countries are getting out of the deal.
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Polling is a lagging indicator; it shows where the country was a week or two prior to the poll being released. If the race tighten to 2 or 3 points beginning of this week, I think Trump has it. The Republicans have an advantage with how the electoral map currently is.
No they're not, Joe. Look at the lists of polls on 538 (including the Republican polls like Rasmussen.) Most of them today went through Oct. 22. Today is the 23rd.
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The amount of magical thinking on this thread in recent days is reaching epic proportions. The humor is better than the old Seinfeld episodes and they were darn good. Keep up the posts, it's great entertainment.
I started with that view, but the attraction has palled. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Jeremy
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"The way he kisses dictators' butts. I mean, the way he ignores that the Uyghurs are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang right now. He hasn't lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong Kongers ... The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership. The way he treats women and spends like a drunken sailor ... He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with White supremacists."
And regarding the pandemic: "The reality is that he careened from curb to curb. First, he ignored Covid. And then he went into full economic shutdown mode. He was the one who said 10 to 14 days of shutdown would fix this, and that was always wrong, so I don't think the way he's led through Covid has been reasonable or responsible or right."
Direct quotes from Ben Sasse, Republican senator from Nebraska
It's Republicans and Neocons like Sasse and Democrats like Biden who got America into disastrous foreign adventures like Vietnam and Iraq.
America can't save the world. Interesting, many non-Americans here had it right. That the US pushes its weight around telling everyone what they have to do leading to war. So along comes Trump, who agrees with you. He's going to mind our business and let others mind theirs. Unless it comes to our own security directly, he's not sending in the American calvary to save the day for others.
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Yes. That's my Make America Great Again covid mask avatar. Need to stay healthy.
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If there is one thing we have learned, things can shift quickly in the Middle East. That meeting occurred only fifty three years ago.
Do you realize you contradicted yourself in the same line?
Things can shift quick in the Middle East, so quick in fact it took just a mere 53 years for Sudan to normalize relations with Israel. ;D ;D ;D
I don't normally judge things on geological timeframes, but if I did, sure, 53 years is quick.
PS, getting back to your additional remarks you added after I replied, Sudan is being removed from the USA list of terrorist states, which I believe they were put on for harboring Osama Bin Laden? This will open many avenues for them in terms of securing financing. So it is not a pure altruistic agreement on their behalf, but none the less, it is pretty significant.
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Yes. That's my Make America Great Again covid mask avatar. Need to stay healthy.
I'm guessing that you bought a carton of MAGA masks from the Trump Campaign store to give to your friends and neighbors.
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The increasing covid numbers don't bode well for Trump. Unless the virus disappears magically before Nov 3.
It's the unemployed who have not gotten any more government assitance (as smartly planned by Nancy Pelosi) who are Trump's problem. It's hard to stay loyal when you can't pay your rent.
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Does she have a bunch of fracking stocks in her retirement portfolio or something?
Exxon.
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Do you realize you contradicted yourself in the same line?
Perhaps we could have a discussion about irony one day.
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And another ...
Sudan to join UAE, Bahrain in recognizing Israel (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sudan-to-join-uae-bahrain-in-recognizing-israel)
Biden just cant get in there any quicker and bring back a Middle East normalcy of wars, terrorist attacks, Iran becoming a nuclear power, putting us dependent on the S.A. by banning fracking here, you know, just sending the whole region back to hell.
I know some will try to down play this, but keep in mind it was in Sudan that the Arab world met in 1967 to agree to never have peace with Israel.
Maybe Obama will give him his Nobel Peace prize. After all, he never really earned it.
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It's the unemployed who have not gotten any more government assitance (as smartly planned by Nancy Pelosi) who are Trump's problem. It's hard to stay loyal when you can't pay your rent.
I thought Trump gave the unemployed a bunch of money and put a moratorium on evictions through the end of the year? I saw him scribbling his name with a sharpie on a bunch of papers that had gold foil stars and ribbons a couple of months ago. I remember you telling me all about it.
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The increasing covid numbers don't bode well for Trump. Unless the virus disappears magically before Nov 3.
It's a simple response, what has effected your life more negatively, the virus or our response to the virus?
For most, I would suspect it is the response. I was shooting in Jersey City Wednesday (and yes, the driving still sucks) and got into a conversation with someone who I am pretty sure is a Dem. He brought up the lock downs, and how demoralizing they are, and went on and on. He even mentioned he knows quite a few people who have moved to less stringent states and many more who will if they lock up again.
Biden, last night, pushed more lock downs. Trump pushed us returning to normalcy. The former is just not working anymore.
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Maybe Obama will give him his Nobel Peace prize. After all, he never really earned it.
Is the Sudan even in the Middle East? Perhaps if we extend it to the Greater Middle East, but that sounds like a marketing move.
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If there is one thing we have learned, things can shift quickly in the Middle East. That meeting occurred only fifty three years ago. Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with picking off the low hanging fruit to gain momentum. I just wish I better understood what the US, Israel, and these other countries are getting out of the deal.
Typical anti Trump response. Never give him any credit even if he deserves it. It's not low hanging fruit. The entire Arab world is going to get on board. Once the Saudis agree, and they;re very close, every other country will agree as well. I could just see the headlines. "Trump Loses Election; Wins Nobel"
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Typical anti Trump response. Never give him any credit even if he deserves it. It's not low hanging fruit. The entire Arab world is going to get on board. Once the Saudis agree, and they;re very close, every other country will agree as well. I could just see the headlines. "Trump Loses Election; Wins Nobel"
Sounds better than Winning Election But Losing Nobel.
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Typical anti Trump response. Never give him any credit even if he deserves it. It's not low hanging fruit. The entire Arab world is going to get on board. Once the Saudis agree, and they;re very close, every other country will agree as well. I could just see the headlines. "Trump Loses Election; Wins Nobel"
Call me when the Palestinians sign on. It's not the Sudanese who are building the tunnels or lobbing the missiles. I mean, just to put a photographic twist on it, Alfred Eisenstaedt didn't take the picture of that sailor kissing a girl in Time Square on the day the Allies signed a peace treaty with Liechtenstein.
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I'm guessing that you bought a carton of MAGA masks from the Trump Campaign store to give to your friends and neighbors.
My friends and neighbors don't wear masks. :)
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I thought Trump gave the unemployed a bunch of money and put a moratorium on evictions through the end of the year? I saw him scribbling his name with a sharpie on a bunch of papers that had gold foil stars and ribbons a couple of months ago. I remember you telling me all about it.
No evictions but no additional money either. Trump was right when he first pulled out of the negotiations. He knew Nancy was jerking him around and she still is. It's all about winning the election for her. She doesn;t care about the people out of work other than using them to win.
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No evictions but no additional money either. Trump was right when he first pulled out of the negotiations. He knew Nancy was jerking him around and she still is. It's all about winning the election for her. She doesn;t care about the people out of work other than using them to win.
I thought Trump gave the unemployed $400, well only $300 but whose counting, in monthly federal unemployment benefits through the end of the year. At least that is what I remember him saying from a place of honor in the Nineteenth Hole at his golf club in Bedminster.
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Call me when the Palestinians sign on. It's not the Sudanese who are building the tunnels or lobbing the missiles.
The chance for war in the Middle East decreases immensely as Arab nations make peace with Israel. That's good for the whole world. The Palestinians will lose moral and financial support from the Arab nations. They'll still get support from Iran. But their bargaining power is quickly evaporating. They should have made the deal before. The longer they wait, the less they'll get. The problem is the dispute between the PLO and Hamas. Unless they get their act together with each other first, then make a deal with Israel afterwards, time and history will pass them by. Arafat did the same thing decades ago. He made a deal but didn't execute hurting his people. History repeats. It's a shame for the Palestinians.
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I thought Trump gave the unemployed $400, well only $300 but whose counting, in monthly federal unemployment benefits through the end of the year. At least that is what I remember him saying from a place of honor in the Nineteenth Hole at his golf club in Bedminster.
I believe that's all ended but I could be wrong.
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Let's hope for the best. Nothing like that happen for a while. We might have to go through that whole voter fraud Proud Boys scenario first
You might want to consider this the other way around as well. Just sayin
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You might want to consider this the other way around as well. Just sayin
You mean we shoot ourselves first and then go through the voter fraud Proud Boy scenario?
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I believe that's all ended but I could be wrong.
I think it ended because Trump ran out of money and couldn't keep his promise. You probably think it was an honest mistake. I think Trump knew he didn't have enough money to take it through December and just lied about it, as usual. It would fit a pattern. For starters, he lied about it being $400/month. It was only $300/month. The other $100 was to come from the states. Except that he never asked and the states never agreed. Some states agreed after the fact, but there were a lot of states that didn't have the money, and even if they did, couldn't modify their unemployment benefit software to make it work in time if at all. It was all smoke and mirrors. I mean really, I don't care if you think Nancy Pelosi is the devil incarnate, it is not her fault that Trump lied and said he was going to send the unemployed $400/month through December, and then broke his promise.
What's the deal. Can't you remember anything? It's like you go to bed at night, and when you wake up, your mind is a tabula rasa?
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I think it ended because Trump ran out of money and couldn't keep his promise. You probably think it was an honest mistake. I think Trump knew he didn't have enough money to take it through December and just lied about it, as usual. It would fit a pattern.
He did what he could as president. Congress legislates funding, not the president. That's why Pelosi is sitting on it so those who are out of work blame Trump. She's playing politics with their lives. Hopefully, they blame the Democrats and not Trump.
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The chance for war in the Middle East decreases immensely as Arab nations make peace with Israel. That's good for the whole world. The Palestinians will lose moral and financial support from the Arab nations. They'll still get support from Iran. But their bargaining power is quickly evaporating. They should have made the deal before. The longer they wait, the less they'll get. The problem is the dispute between the PLO and Hamas. Unless they get their act together with each other first, then make a deal with Israel afterwards, time and history will pass them by. Arafat did the same thing decades ago. He made a deal but didn't execute hurting his people. History repeats. It's a shame for the Palestinians.
I thought Hoffer in 1968 put it best in how so many have a distorted view of Israel and the Middle East:
“The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it. Turkey threw out a million Greeks and Algeria a million Frenchman.
Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese and no one says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel , the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single one.
Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis. Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious, it must sue for peace.
Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. Other nations, when they are defeated, survive and recover but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June [1967], he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews.
No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Blacks are executed in Rhodesia . But, when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one demonstrated against him. The Swedes, who were ready to break off diplomatic relations with America because of what we did in Vietnam , did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troops in Norway .
The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources.
Yet at this moment, Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer [1967] had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war, to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.
I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish, the Holocaust will be upon us all.”
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He did what he could as president. Congress legislates funding, not the president. That's why Pelosi is sitting on it so those who are out of work blame Trump. She's playing politics with their lives. Hopefully, they blame the Democrats and not Trump.
So why all the lying by Trump? It is simple, he is a pathological liar. That's what he does. Left is right, down is up, and stop is go. You've got a list of excuses as long as your arm for every time Trump lies about stuff, and just recite it chapter and verse anytime someone calls him out on it. You seem to be a bright guy, so it is incomprehensible to me that you can actually believe all the stuff you post in defense of him. Just tell people what you can do and do it. It's really not that hard. The vast majority of people do their very best to do it every day because they are good and decent. And then there's Trump.
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I thought Hoffer in 1968 put it best in how so many have a distorted view of Israel and the Middle East:
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Hoffer is Jewish. What would you expect him to say? I am certainly not suggesting that I disagree with everything he says, but there are other views to consider. The world is a complex place.
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And another ...
Sudan to join UAE, Bahrain in recognizing Israel (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sudan-to-join-uae-bahrain-in-recognizing-israel)
Biden just cant get in there any quicker and bring back a Middle East normalcy of wars, terrorist attacks, Iran becoming a nuclear power, putting us dependent on the S.A. by banning fracking here, you know, just sending the whole region back to hell.
I know some will try to down play this, but keep in mind it was in Sudan that the Arab world met in 1967 to agree to never have peace with Israel.
You are missing the whole geopolitical reason for this. It's basically an anti-Iran and anti-Russian move by these countries that are recognizing Israel. In the great cosmic scheme of things it is pretty close to being meaningless. there won't be much if any trade with Israel and most Israeli tourism will continue to be to Europe and the US. Disclaimer: my sister and her family live in Israel along with a number of cousins and friends. Nobody is planning trips to the countries that have recognized Israel. Israel is also natural gas independent these days with a bunch of Mediterranean fields and Chevron just bought a small company that has oil fields in that region with joint development agreements with Israel. Not everything is earthshaking news.
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I started with that view, but the attraction has palled. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Jeremy
It only has about a week and a half to go!!! What will we do? I guess move over to Kevin's site where there is actual good photo content.
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Love how we've pivoted away from Hunter.
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It's Republicans and Neocons like Sasse and Democrats like Biden who got America into disastrous foreign adventures like Vietnam and Iraq.
How did Biden get us into Iraq? Was not this a decision by the Bush II administration?
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I know right. It's almost as bad as telling business owners they are going to have to shut down again while raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.
You're not saying that it's ok not to provide emergency relief to districts that didn't vote for you, are you? You can't be saying that, can you?
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Biden, last night, pushed more lock downs. Trump pushed us returning to normalcy. The former is just not working anymore.
Did you look at the COVID-19 infection level yesterday? Second highest day of the pandemic! You also should watch the documentary on Hulu, 'Totally Under Control' for a good view of how well the President handled this. It has nothing to do with lockdowns other than to keep the hospitals open. ICU beds in parts of Wisconsin and ND are at capacity right now. this could have turned out differently had President Trump forcefully embrace the prudent public health measures. Lockdowns were just a stopgap measure.
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Love how we've pivoted away from Hunter.
that's because there was never anything there other than a Giuliani forgery folder.
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You are missing the whole geopolitical reason for this. It's basically an anti-Iran and anti-Russian move by these countries that are recognizing Israel. In the great cosmic scheme of things it is pretty close to being meaningless. there won't be much if any trade with Israel and most Israeli tourism will continue to be to Europe and the US. Disclaimer: my sister and her family live in Israel along with a number of cousins and friends. Nobody is planning trips to the countries that have recognized Israel. Israel is also natural gas independent these days with a bunch of Mediterranean fields and Chevron just bought a small company that has oil fields in that region with joint development agreements with Israel. Not everything is earthshaking news.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing some sanity, and even facts, to the conversation.
Some people want to give Trump a Nobel Prize for brokering a deal between McDonalds and Wendy's to settle a long running dispute about who gets to sell Frosties and who gets to sell apple pies. Peace in our time.
Just so there is no misunderstanding, I think the agreements between Israel and these other countries are more important than a deal between McDonalds and Wendy's. I am exaggerating for emphasis. Trump does it all the time, so it must be okay.
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You are missing the whole geopolitical reason for this. It's basically an anti-Iran and anti-Russian move by these countries that are recognizing Israel. In the great cosmic scheme of things it is pretty close to being meaningless. there won't be much if any trade with Israel and most Israeli tourism will continue to be to Europe and the US. Disclaimer: my sister and her family live in Israel along with a number of cousins and friends. Nobody is planning trips to the countries that have recognized Israel. Israel is also natural gas independent these days with a bunch of Mediterranean fields and Chevron just bought a small company that has oil fields in that region with joint development agreements with Israel. Not everything is earthshaking news.
Nooooooo shit Sherlock!
But you know what, this anti-Iran sentiment existed long long before Trump came into office, but all of the typical politicians (like Biden and Obama and Bush) had their heads so far the asses of the Palestinians, they could not see straight. They had more shit in their eyes then the Sandman could deliver in a dozen lifetimes worth of naps.
And that is the reason Trump got this done. He did not buy into the "respected opinion" of the situation on the ground, but instead looked for something else to unite everyone around.
Now perhaps if Iran dwindles, the deals will go away, and maybe this wont be of any real consequence other then peace (which, from your retort, must not mean much to you), or perhaps those countries will start to prosper and realize their alliance with the only advanced country in the Middle East is the main reason for it.
But even if not, is it not a good thing to be able to rest easy knowing your neighbors wont invade, even if nothing else?
I feel like we have a great deal of ease in our lives knowing neither Canada nor Mexico will attack us. Do the Jews not deserve the same?
The Jews are an incredible people and one of the main reasons for Western enlightenment with their constant inquisitive nature and arguing. After all, is'nt the line "if you have 4 Jews at a table, you'll have 5 opinions?" If the Arab states start emulate this, they could very well be onto an enlightenment of their own.
And if so, would that not be good.
These are hug deals, especially after 26 years of nothing, but you write it off like the typical guy with TDS.
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Did you look at the COVID-19 infection level yesterday? Second highest day of the pandemic! You also should watch the documentary on Hulu, 'Totally Under Control' for a good view of how well the President handled this. It has nothing to do with lockdowns other than to keep the hospitals open. ICU beds in parts of Wisconsin and ND are at capacity right now. this could have turned out differently had President Trump forcefully embrace the prudent public health measures. Lockdowns were just a stopgap measure.
We are out of ICU beds locally here too, and we've got more hospitals than fast food restaurants. It's understandable; they are a lot more profitable. But hey, I like having an ER available close by as much as the next guy, so I'm not complaining. That goes for ICU beds too.
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You're not saying that it's ok not to provide emergency relief to districts that didn't vote for you, are you? You can't be saying that, can you?
Of course not!
I am also not saying a $15 minimum wage during a pandemic while stating we may need to shut down your business is a good idea either, unlike Biden.
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Nooooooo shit Sherlock!
But you know what, this anti-Iran sentiment existed long long before Trump came into office, but all of the typical politicians (like Biden and Obama and Bush) had their heads so far the asses of the Palestinians, they could not see straight. They had more shit in their eyes then the Sandman could deliver in a dozen lifetimes worth of naps.
And that is the reason Trump got this done. He did not buy into the "respected opinion" of the situation on the ground, but instead looked for something else to unite everyone around.
Now perhaps if Iran dwindles, the deals will go away, and maybe this wont be of any real consequence other then peace (which, from your retort, must not mean much to you), or perhaps those countries will start to prosper and realize their alliance with the only advanced country in the Middle East is the main reason for it.
The Jews are an incredible people and one of the main reasons for Western enlightenment with their constant inquisitive nature and arguing. After all, is'nt the line "if you have 4 Jews at a table, you'll have 5 opinions?" If the Arab states start emulate this, they could very well be onto an enlightenment of their own.
And if so, would that not be good.
These are hug deals, especially after 26 years of nothing, but you write it off like the typical guy with TDS.
Somehow I don't think you would be so effervescent if Biden had brokered these deals and not Trump.
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And that is the reason Trump got this done. He did not buy into the "respected opinion" of the situation on the ground, but instead looked for something else to unite everyone around.
Trump AND Looking To Unite Everybody? In the same sentence?
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Somehow I don't think you would be so effervescent if Biden had brokered these deal rather than Trump.
I certainly would not be promoting it, but would at least acknowledge the importance of them as game changing.
But you guys with TDS are so anti-Trump you cant see the forest for the trees. You cant give him a win, which he clearly deserves here. I would have given Obama or Biden that win if they even accomplished half of what Trump has in the Middle East.
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Trump AND Looking To Unite Everybody? In the same sentence?
This is the sentiment as to why liberals so often fail at foreign policy. Negotiating from a point of strength is how you get things done internationally, especially with rivals.
Appeasing for a "peace of our time" is how you start world wars.
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I certainly would not be promoting it, but would at least acknowledge the importance of them as game changing.
I remember from my physics course in high school this law that said for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The thing is that in these discussions, when your write a really effervescent post about one of Trump's accomplishments, I am likely to write an equally anti-effervescent response. Of course, your response to my response is even more effervescent, and my response to your response to my response is even more anti-effervescent. Eventually, we are both cranked up to about eleven, and exasperated, you tell me I have TDS. The thing is I don't have an acronym to call you, so the whole process is unfair. Perhaps if you checked your enthusiasm initially, I wouldn't ultimately have TDS, and we would all get along better. So basically what I am saying is that it is all your fault. The remedy is that when you write about one of Trump's accomplishments, pretend it is one of Biden's accomplishments. That way you can show some restraint, and everything will go more smoothly. And you might even find I agreed with you occasionally. I'd probably be willing to give Trump some blue ribbons, if you weren't always asking for eight foot trophies. Just an idea.
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You mean we shoot ourselves first and then go through the voter fraud Proud Boy scenario?
Well that is yet another option.
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So why all the lying by Trump? It is simple, he is a pathological liar. That's what he does. Left is right, down is up, and stop is go. You've got a list of excuses as long as your arm for every time Trump lies about stuff, and just recite it chapter and verse anytime someone calls him out on it. You seem to be a bright guy, so it is incomprehensible to me that you can actually believe all the stuff you post in defense of him. Just tell people what you can do and do it. It's really not that hard. The vast majority of people do their very best to do it every day because they are good and decent. And then there's Trump.
Your response to my post that Pelosi is playing political games and hurting Americans out of work is to call Trump a liar. Your response is pathological.
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Love how we've pivoted away from Hunter.
We can bring it back. Boblewhats his name was asked by the FBI for an interview today. Scuttlebutt is they are using Hunters laptop in a money laundering investigation.
Oh and and the bobble guy gave lots of money to Dems.
Joe might have been right, he didn't take a cent from any country, perhaps Hunter did, he was the bagman.
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Nooooooo shit Sherlock!
But you know what, this anti-Iran sentiment existed long long before Trump came into office, but all of the typical politicians (like Biden and Obama and Bush) had their heads so far the asses of the Palestinians, they could not see straight. They had more shit in their eyes then the Sandman could deliver in a dozen lifetimes worth of naps.
And that is the reason Trump got this done. He did not buy into the "respected opinion" of the situation on the ground, but instead looked for something else to unite everyone around.
Now perhaps if Iran dwindles, the deals will go away, and maybe this wont be of any real consequence other then peace (which, from your retort, must not mean much to you), or perhaps those countries will start to prosper and realize their alliance with the only advanced country in the Middle East is the main reason for it.
But even if not, is it not a good thing to be able to rest easy knowing your neighbors wont invade, even if nothing else?
I feel like we have a great deal of ease in our lives knowing neither Canada nor Mexico will attack us. Do the Jews not deserve the same?
The Jews are an incredible people and one of the main reasons for Western enlightenment with their constant inquisitive nature and arguing. After all, is'nt the line "if you have 4 Jews at a table, you'll have 5 opinions?" If the Arab states start emulate this, they could very well be onto an enlightenment of their own.
And if so, would that not be good.
These are hug deals, especially after 26 years of nothing, but you write it off like the typical guy with TDS.
Maybe the elephant in the room as it regards the Middle East is oil. We are not held hostage by their oil any longer.
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You are missing the whole geopolitical reason for this. It's basically an anti-Iran and anti-Russian move by these countries that are recognizing Israel. In the great cosmic scheme of things it is pretty close to being meaningless. there won't be much if any trade with Israel and most Israeli tourism will continue to be to Europe and the US. Disclaimer: my sister and her family live in Israel along with a number of cousins and friends. Nobody is planning trips to the countries that have recognized Israel. Israel is also natural gas independent these days with a bunch of Mediterranean fields and Chevron just bought a small company that has oil fields in that region with joint development agreements with Israel. Not everything is earthshaking news.
No one is missing that geopolitics is the reason. After all, who thinks that Arabs suddenly started to love Jews and thought it would be nice to have relations with them? Politics makes strange bedfellows. Diplomatic relations between countries always have benefits for the countries involved.
To argue it's meaningless is crazy. For 70 years, there have been four wars between Arabs and Jews. The world suffered through the oil crisis of 1973. I'm sure you remember the long lines of cars lining up for gasoline on alternate days of the week due to shortages. The world always held their breath that another war would break out and drag the world into it.
Now there's a chance for peace in the ME, at least between Israel and Arabs. Jews won't have to stand guard around the clock always being ready to run into air raid shelters. Tanks can pull back from borders. People will be able to sleep at night without worrying there will be a raid. For you to call the movements towards peace "meaningless" smacks of American politics because you oppose Trump and are trying to diminish this great accomplishment because of the election. The press ignores it because they're anti-Trump. Trump accomplished what previous presidents for 30 years since Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel. If Obama had done it, you and everyone would demand he get another Nobel.
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Your response to my post that Pelosi is playing political games and hurting Americans out of work is to call Trump a liar. Your response is pathological.
The thing is even if I posted a pathological response, that doesn't mean Trump is not a pathological liar. Remember me posting about ad hominen attacks and whataboutism. They are logical fallacies.
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How did Biden get us into Iraq? Was not this a decision by the Bush II administration?
I seem to recall that our constitution makes congress responsible for going to war. Biden approved and signed off on it as senator. As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee when the authorization vote was cast to go to war, Biden was at the forefront of the debate about what course to pursue with Iraq. See the picture of him on the right watching President Bush signing off on the congressional bill authorizing military action against Iraq.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/us/politics/joe-biden-iraq-war.html
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I seem to recall that our constitution makes congress responsible for going to war.
That's not really observed much though.
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I remember from my physics course in high school this law that said for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The thing is that in these discussions, when your write a really effervescent post about one of Trump's accomplishments, I am likely to write an equally anti-effervescent response. Of course, your response to my response is even more effervescent, and my response to your response to my response is even more anti-effervescent. Eventually, we are both cranked up to about eleven, and exasperated, you tell me I have TDS. The thing is I don't have an acronym to call you, so the whole process is unfair. Perhaps if you checked your enthusiasm initially, I wouldn't ultimately have TDS, and we would all get along better. So basically what I am saying is that it is all your fault. The remedy is that when you write about one of Trump's accomplishments, pretend it is one of Biden's accomplishments. That way you can show some restraint, and everything will go more smoothly. And you might even find I agreed with you occasionally. I'd probably be willing to give Trump some blue ribbons, if you weren't always asking for eight foot trophies. Just an idea.
That's a hard task you're asking, pretending Biden has accomplishments.
47 years in DC and I cant think of any, well maybe the crime bill.
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Oh and and the bobble guy gave lots of money to Dems.
That explains why Trump invited bobblehead to the debate last night.
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Of course not!
I am also not saying a $15 minimum wage during a pandemic while stating we may need to shut down your business is a good idea either, unlike Biden.
Well, you lost me then.
The policy proposal about a minimum wage is at least something that can be discussed.
Threatening to not provide emergency funds to districts that don't vote for you is a pretty repulsive and profoundly stupid idea.
I could not make the connection between the two.
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Did you look at the COVID-19 infection level yesterday? Second highest day of the pandemic! You also should watch the documentary on Hulu, 'Totally Under Control' for a good view of how well the President handled this. It has nothing to do with lockdowns other than to keep the hospitals open. ICU beds in parts of Wisconsin and ND are at capacity right now. this could have turned out differently had President Trump forcefully embrace the prudent public health measures. Lockdowns were just a stopgap measure.
Old farts like you and me can wear our masks and stay isolated and let the young folks get on with their lives if they choose and feed their families.
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Despite the frenzied excitement in some rightwing media circles and their audience, I wouldn't get overly excited about Tony Bobulinski. This article in Politico gives a decent overview of the situation.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/Trump's sideshow fizzles out (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/23/hunter-biden-wins-the-debate-431558)
Excerpts Below
"One of the hallmarks of the Trump era has been his penchant for pushing fringe characters peddling dubious stories into the center ring of our political circus. In the past he has been an effective ringmaster. Whether it’s retweeting conspiracy theorists (that guy who recently alleged Osama bin Laden was still alive), elevating people who believe drinking water is tainted with Prozac that is causing shrimp to commit suicide (Alex Jones), or putting fringe GOP operatives banished from presidential politics on the payroll (Roger Stone), Trump has often delighted — and benefited politically — from turning the sideshow into the main show."
"But so far the Bobulinski allegations seem like bubkes. At 10:47, minutes after the debate ended, the Wall Street Journal, part of the same media empire as Fox News and the Post, reported, “Text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden” — the former vice president’s brother — “discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture.”
"Even if Bobulinski is telling the truth, that Joe Biden knew about the China enterprise, it’s not clear what the scandal is — he was a private citizen at the time and not yet running for president. Trump has elevated an unsubstantiated assertion that Biden had knowledge about his son’s legal and failed business venture to a “crime” for which he “should be in jail.” To put in context how absurd this allegation is, one of the first things George W. Bush did after he left the White House was deliver a paid speech in China. Somehow he remains at large."
"Similarly, the Hunter bombshell has so far been defused because Trump’s exaggerations and over-the-top allegations bear no resemblance to the available facts."
"It makes you wonder what Trump could have accomplished this year against Biden if he had focused on what’s front and center to voters and didn’t get so distracted and preoccupied by the sideshow."
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I certainly would not be promoting it, but would at least acknowledge the importance of them as game changing.
But you guys with TDS are so anti-Trump you cant see the forest for the trees. You cant give him a win, which he clearly deserves here. I would have given Obama or Biden that win if they even accomplished half of what Trump has in the Middle East.
You're spitting into the wind. Hell would have to freeze over before they'll give Trump credit for anything. I don't understand why they're so bitter?
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We can bring it back. Boblewhats his name was asked by the FBI for an interview today. Scuttlebutt is they are using Hunters laptop in a money laundering investigation.
Oh and and the bobble guy gave lots of money to Dems.
Joe might have been right, he didn't take a cent from any country, perhaps Hunter did, he was the bagman.
Well, if Biden wins, he could pardon his son.
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Maybe the elephant in the room as it regards the Middle East is oil. We are not held hostage by their oil any longer.
That's a great point. The 1973 oil crisis was set off by the Israeli Arab war at that time. It caused major disruption of economies throughout the western world including the US when the Arab oil countries flexed their muscles and shut down a lot of oil to the world to pressure Israel and their western supporters. But the Arabs would not have been able to do it if America was oil independent. Now, they've lost that power. However, if Biden wins and shuts down oil here in he US as he's promised, it will bolster the Arabs against us and put our economies at risk again. Wars could break out again there.
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The thing is even if I posted a pathological response, that doesn't mean Trump is not a pathological liar. Remember me posting about ad hominen attacks and whataboutism. They are logical fallacies.
You've created a straw man. We're talking about Pelosi hurting Americans.
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To argue it's meaningless is crazy. For 70 years, there have been four wars between Arabs and Jews.
For clarity, would you specify which Arab states were in on the shooting. UAE?. Bahrain? Sudan?
The world suffered through the oil crisis of 1973. I'm sure you remember the long lines of cars lining up for gasoline on alternate days of the week due to shortages. The world always held their breath that another war would break out and drag the world into it.
I remember the oil crisis of 1973. I wasn't all that happy about having to wait in line for gas, or being able to buy it only on certain days*, and I really wasn't all that happy that I had to pay dollars instead of cents for a gallon of the stuff, but I adapted to it kind of like how I have adapted to wearing a mask. I was never holding my "breath that another war would break out and drag the world into it." I view that as being alarmist, and I try to avoid that. I generally get worked up when things are likely, not just possible. Kind of like I am not all that worried that an asteroid is going to hit the earth before election day as predicted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, who is normally thought of as a pretty credible guy, although occasionally he will slip off into the deep end without his floaties, just as I am not worried about all the stuff Pat Robertson says is going to happen will happen, because nothing he says ever does. I mean some or all of it may happen, but there is not a whole lot I can do about it either way.
* Just so you young folks don't think us old guys were dolts, there were ways around this. As I recall, if you had a license plate ending in an even number you could buy gas MWF. If your license plate ended in an odd number, you could buy gas TTS. So what you did was to head on down to the DMV and tell them your license plates fell off and you needed to buy a new set, and you kept doing that until you had both even numbered and odd numbered plates. That way you could buy gas any day you wanted just by changing your plates. I was too cheap to buy extra plates, so I just got my gas on the appointed day. The reason I mention this is that if people were dicking around with their license plates, they probably weren't worried all that much about WWIII, but I would concede that maybe a few people were.
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That's not really observed much though.
The constitution was observed with Bush in Iraq. Congress approved military action giving Bush the legal and constitutional authority to go to war. And Biden was in charge of the Senate committee that authorized it. He can't slither away from his responsibility as he's tried.
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You're spitting into the wind. Hell would have to freeze over before they'll give Trump credit for anything. I don't understand why they're so bitter?
I really take offense at all the lying.
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For clarity, would you specify which Arab states were in on the shooting. UAE?. Bahrain? Sudan?
I remember the oil crisis of 1973. I wasn't all that happy about having to wait in line for gas, or being unable to buy it only on certain days, and I really wasn't all that happy that I had to pay dollars instead of cents for a gallon of the stuff, but I adapted to it kind of like how I have adapted to wearing a mask. I was never holding my "breath that another war would break out and drag the world into it." I view that as being alarmist, and I try to avoid that. I generally get worked up when things are likely, not just possible. Kind of like I am not all that worried that an asteroid is going to hit the earth before election day as predicted by Neil deGrasse Tyson, just as I am not worried about all the stuff Pat Robertson say is going to happen happens. I mean some or all of it may happen, but there is not a whole lot I can do about it either way.
You forgot Jordan and Egypt fought with Israel a number of times. Of course, they already have peace treaties with Israel for 27 years. Now they're adding three more Arab states who were sworn enemies of Israel if not former combatants with the help of the Trump administration. The rest of the Arab world is turning to the future. Most people see that as a good thing even if you pan it. Next year, regardless of who wins the presidency, you'll see the Saudi's do it as well. The only big state that may delay is Syria. But they're a basket case and have more things to worry about than Palestinians and Israelis.
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I really take offense at all the lying.
The lying is huge but then stuff like self-dealing from his nonprofit, which is literally stealing money from charities takes it to another level.
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You forgot Jordan and Egypt fought with Israel a number of times. Of course, they already have peace treaties with Israel for 27 years.
So exactly which Arab states have been in a shooting war with Israel and don't currently have a peace treaty with them.
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A little more regarding Tony Bobulinski. Poor Tony is not in a happy place financially at the moment. 10 days ago, a U.S. District Court gave a company (unrelated to his failed business venture with Hunter which never got off the ground) called China Branding Group Limited a right to attach order which gives them authorization to seize Tony's property and assets for a little over $649,000 due in unpaid court ordered payment from an earlier lawsuit over a business venture.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/ (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/)
In that lawsuit Bobulinski claimed he was due money back on his investment, but the court disagreed. He appealed and not only didn't get his investment money back but ended up owing a significant sum to the company. The appeals court had some major problems with Bobulinski's evidence which primarily consisted of text messages and his personal recollection of conversations with his business partner Adam Roseman. It appears that Bobulinski didn't do any of the normal due diligence in seeking legal counsel regarding his investment and relationship with the company.
The parallels between that case and his business dealing with Hunter Biden is that in both cases he felt that he was due something which he didn't get and that both Chinese ventures went bankrupt. With Hunter, Bobulinski appears to be upset that Hunter had other business interests in China to which he wasn't a party and the venture that he was part of failed to materialize as he was unable to get the neccessary funding from CEFC China Energy to fund the start-up.
As a side note... Jacqui Heinrich, National Reporter for Fox News and part of their Democracy 2020 reporting team, put out a tweet on Bobulinski's evidence.
"I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
• the “Chairman” is China.
• NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
• Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski"
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/Tony Bobulinski’s emails (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1319508531423436803)
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You've created a straw man. We're talking about Pelosi hurting Americans.
Look up the straw man fallacy, quote the definition, and explain how anything I have said is a straw man.
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So exactly which Arab states have been in a shooting war with Israel and don't currently have a peace treaty with them.
I believe Iraq, Lebanon and Syria, maybe others. But it's not only peace treaties with former combatants. It's diplomatic relations that are being established with countries such as Sudan, the UAR, etc. who have been hostile to them. Additionally, Israel has been given a hard time with trade by many western nations. If Arab countries and Israel have diplomatic and trade relations, these things go away which is good for everyone. Turkey, although not Arab, officially has no relations with Israel. However, we know that both countries work together on security arrangements. If major Arab countries start making deals with Israel, Turkey too might make the relations public. I'm sure you'd want to see conflicts in the ME end, wouldn't you?
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Also from Fox News National Reporter Jacqui Heinrich twitter feed regarding Hunter Biden laptop emails...
FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop: “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s claim that it’s NOT Russian disinfo, adding if actionable intel develops, FBI *may* inform Homeland Security Cmte
Democratic official with knowledge of intelligence committee discussions tells me:
"The FBI will not confirm exactly what they are investigating – adding that this may relate to the ongoing investigation around Rudy Giuliani that has been recently reported...
...However, members of the intelligence committee have learned that the FBI is indeed investigating the provenance of the emails and whether it is part of a foreign disinformation operation – which the FBI would investigate whether or not the emails are real...
..The FBI’s handling of John Paul Mac Isaac indicates he is a target of the investigation, rather than a witness. Mac Isaac stated that he met with the FBI once or twice, then the FBI stopped talking to him...
...There is bipartisan skepticism surrounding Ratcliffe’s statement on Sunday, and this democratic source says they believe Ratcliffe was trying to state that the FBI has not confirmed that this is disinformation, as Adam Schiff suggested...
...However, Ratcliffe went too far in trying to provide political cover in support of the President, which is an inappropriate action for a DNI.
Ratcliffe is showing inexperience with intelligence by saying that the lack of intel proves there is no involvement...
...Folks within the FBI who are looking into this matter very much suspect, but do not know for sure, if foreign powers are at play...
...This source adds, members of both parties within the senate intelligence committee are skeptical of the idea that we would know definitively, at this time, the matter is not part of a foreign intel op - because has all the hallmarks of a potential foreign intel op...
... Regarding the FBI’s statement that they have “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s statement: They understand this to mean FBI has nothing to add about *available actionable intelligence* at this time, but the investigation is ongoing – not understand it as affirming Ratcliffe.
Finally - per my talks with sources tonight - Big bipartisan takeaway verified by Republican & Dem sides: as of now, investigators have revealed no evidence showing that this is a Russian disinfo campaign – but the investigation is ongoing, and it has not been ruled out. END.
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1318790839485845504)
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A little more regarding Tony Bobulinski. Poor Tony is not in a happy place financially at the moment. 10 days ago, a U.S. District Court gave a company (unrelated to his failed business venture with Hunter which never got off the ground) called China Branding Group Limited a right to attach order which gives them authorization to seize Tony's property and assets for a little over $649,000 due in unpaid court ordered payment from an earlier lawsuit over a business venture.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/ (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/)
In that lawsuit Bobulinski claimed he was due money back on his investment, but the court disagreed. He appealed and not only didn't get his investment money back but ended up owing a significant sum to the company. The appeals court had some major problems with Bobulinski's evidence which primarily consisted of text messages and his personal recollection of conversations with his business partner Adam Roseman. It appears that Bobulinski didn't do any of the normal due diligence in seeking legal counsel regarding his investment and relationship with the company.
The parallels between that case and his business dealing with Hunter Biden is that in both cases he felt that he was due something which he didn't get and that both Chinese ventures went bankrupt. With Hunter, Bobulinski appears to be upset that Hunter had other business interests in China to which he wasn't a party and the venture that he was part of failed to materialize as he was unable to get the neccessary funding from CEFC China Energy to fund the start-up.
As a side note... Jacqui Heinrich, National Reporter for Fox News and part of their Democracy 2020 reporting team, put out a tweet on Bobulinski's evidence.
"I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
• the “Chairman” is China.
• NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
• Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski"
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/Tony Bobulinski’s emails (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1319508531423436803)
Ad Hominem much?
So instead of attacking the information, which has not yet been denied by anyone in the Biden campaign, attack the messenger on a personal basis.
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A little more regarding Tony Bobulinski. Poor Tony is not in a happy place financially at the moment. 10 days ago, a U.S. District Court gave a company (unrelated to his failed business venture with Hunter which never got off the ground) called China Branding Group Limited a right to attach order which gives them authorization to seize Tony's property and assets for a little over $649,000 due in unpaid court ordered payment from an earlier lawsuit over a business venture.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/ (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/)
In that lawsuit Bobulinski claimed he was due money back on his investment, but the court disagreed. He appealed and not only didn't get his investment money back but ended up owing a significant sum to the company. The appeals court had some major problems with Bobulinski's evidence which primarily consisted of text messages and his personal recollection of conversations with his business partner Adam Roseman. It appears that Bobulinski didn't do any of the normal due diligence in seeking legal counsel regarding his investment and relationship with the company.
The parallels between that case and his business dealing with Hunter Biden is that in both cases he felt that he was due something which he didn't get and that both Chinese ventures went bankrupt. With Hunter, Bobulinski appears to be upset that Hunter had other business interests in China to which he wasn't a party and the venture that he was part of failed to materialize as he was unable to get the neccessary funding from CEFC China Energy to fund the start-up.
As a side note... Jacqui Heinrich, National Reporter for Fox News and part of their Democracy 2020 reporting team, put out a tweet on Bobulinski's evidence.
"I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
• the “Chairman” is China.
• NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
• Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski"
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/Tony Bobulinski’s emails (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1319508531423436803)
But the issue is Hunter used his father, Air Force 2 and the office of the VP to advance his son's business interests. VP Biden met with these officials advancing his son;s business interests. Your Bubbi... points just confirms there was a business deal even if Joe Biden wasn't a listed member of the deal. For a guy who complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests, you seem to shrug your shoulders and lose interest with this Biden deal. You seem to have different standards depending on whose ox is being gored.
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Look up the straw man fallacy, quote the definition, and explain how anything I have said is a straw man.
You changed the subject and didn't address my points. Call it what you want.
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Ad Hominem much?
So instead of attacking the information, which has not yet been denied by anyone in the Biden campaign, attack the messenger on a personal basis.
You need to look up the meaning of ad hominem -- but wait, I think that's been said earlier in this thread. An Ad Hominem attack would say that the evidence doesn't count because Bobu is an asshole. Whether or not he's an asshole doesn't go directly to the question of whether he's credible. (That's only valid in the case of Giuliani.) However, pointing out Boba's other business failures, including reliance on "text messages" as proof, discounted by the court, does go to the credibility of the man.
I would think the Biden campaign people would need access to the evidence before they deny it, and nobody has suggested they have that.
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But the issue is Hunter used his father, Air Force 2 and the office of the VP to advance his son's business interests. VP Biden met with these officials advancing his son;s business interests. Your Bubbi... points just confirms there was a business deal even if Joe Biden wasn't a listed member of the deal. For a guy who complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests, you seem to shrug your shoulders and lose interest with this Biden deal. You seem to have different standards depending on whose ox is being gored.
For some who did a "no malarkey" tour, he sure is knee deep in it now.
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Also from Fox News National Reporter Jacqui Heinrich twitter feed regarding Hunter Biden laptop emails...
FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop: “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s claim that it’s NOT Russian disinfo, adding if actionable intel develops, FBI *may* inform Homeland Security Cmte
Democratic official with knowledge of intelligence committee discussions tells me:
"The FBI will not confirm exactly what they are investigating – adding that this may relate to the ongoing investigation around Rudy Giuliani that has been recently reported...
...However, members of the intelligence committee have learned that the FBI is indeed investigating the provenance of the emails and whether it is part of a foreign disinformation operation – which the FBI would investigate whether or not the emails are real...
..The FBI’s handling of John Paul Mac Isaac indicates he is a target of the investigation, rather than a witness. Mac Isaac stated that he met with the FBI once or twice, then the FBI stopped talking to him...
...There is bipartisan skepticism surrounding Ratcliffe’s statement on Sunday, and this democratic source says they believe Ratcliffe was trying to state that the FBI has not confirmed that this is disinformation, as Adam Schiff suggested...
...However, Ratcliffe went too far in trying to provide political cover in support of the President, which is an inappropriate action for a DNI.
Ratcliffe is showing inexperience with intelligence by saying that the lack of intel proves there is no involvement...
...Folks within the FBI who are looking into this matter very much suspect, but do not know for sure, if foreign powers are at play...
...This source adds, members of both parties within the senate intelligence committee are skeptical of the idea that we would know definitively, at this time, the matter is not part of a foreign intel op - because has all the hallmarks of a potential foreign intel op...
... Regarding the FBI’s statement that they have “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s statement: They understand this to mean FBI has nothing to add about *available actionable intelligence* at this time, but the investigation is ongoing – not understand it as affirming Ratcliffe.
Finally - per my talks with sources tonight - Big bipartisan takeaway verified by Republican & Dem sides: as of now, investigators have revealed no evidence showing that this is a Russian disinfo campaign – but the investigation is ongoing, and it has not been ruled out. END.
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1318790839485845504)
Well, if the Russians didn't do it, maybe Trump hired British spy Steele of Clinton dossier fame to fabricate the emails on a MI6 laptop.
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But the issue is Hunter used his father, Air Force 2 and the office of the VP to advance his son's business interests. VP Biden met with these officials advancing his son;s business interests. Your Bubbi... points just confirms there was a business deal even if Joe Biden wasn't a listed member of the deal. For a guy who complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests, you seem to shrug your shoulders and lose interest with this Biden deal. You seem to have different standards depending on whose ox is being gored.
Really? I'd like to read the article that says this. Unless you wrote the article, which case I don't need to see it.
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You need to look up the meaning of ad hominem -- but wait, I think that's been said earlier in this thread. An Ad Hominem attack would say that the evidence doesn't count because Bobu is an asshole. Whether or not he's an asshole doesn't go directly to the question of whether he's credible. (That's only valid in the case of Giuliani.) However, pointing out Boba's other business failures, including reliance on "text messages" as proof, discounted by the court, does go to the credibility of the man.
I would think the Biden campaign people would need access to the evidence before they deny it, and nobody has suggested they have that.
Ad Hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. As in directing attention to personal information (not necessarily that he is an asshole) instead of towards the argument.
Although Ad Hominem could be calling someone an asshole or a horrible person, it is much broader then that.
You are using an Ad Hominem argument as a distraction, and not arguing with relevant information.
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A little more regarding Tony Bobulinski. Poor Tony is not in a happy place financially at the moment. 10 days ago, a U.S. District Court gave a company (unrelated to his failed business venture with Hunter which never got off the ground) called China Branding Group Limited a right to attach order which gives them authorization to seize Tony's property and assets for a little over $649,000 due in unpaid court ordered payment from an earlier lawsuit over a business venture.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/ (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17390317/40/china-branding-group-limited-v-tony-bobulinski/)
In that lawsuit Bobulinski claimed he was due money back on his investment, but the court disagreed. He appealed and not only didn't get his investment money back but ended up owing a significant sum to the company. The appeals court had some major problems with Bobulinski's evidence which primarily consisted of text messages and his personal recollection of conversations with his business partner Adam Roseman. It appears that Bobulinski didn't do any of the normal due diligence in seeking legal counsel regarding his investment and relationship with the company.
The parallels between that case and his business dealing with Hunter Biden is that in both cases he felt that he was due something which he didn't get and that both Chinese ventures went bankrupt. With Hunter, Bobulinski appears to be upset that Hunter had other business interests in China to which he wasn't a party and the venture that he was part of failed to materialize as he was unable to get the neccessary funding from CEFC China Energy to fund the start-up.
As a side note... Jacqui Heinrich, National Reporter for Fox News and part of their Democracy 2020 reporting team, put out a tweet on Bobulinski's evidence.
"I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
• the “Chairman” is China.
• NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
• Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski"
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/Tony Bobulinski’s emails (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1319508531423436803)
Nothing new in that little piece Wilfred. The lawsuit is well known. Lawsuits happen all the time.
Now the emails. What emails? Emails from Hunter Biden computer? Emails from Bobulinski’s devices? Without that context that tweet is pretty much a nothing burger.
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Really? I'd like to read the article that says this. Unless you wrote the article, which case I don't need to see it.
I found this. There's also a picture of Hunter and his wife with Joe Biden getting off AF2 in China. Hunter should have taken a commercial PanAM and met the banker when his father wasn't there. Classic influence peddling.
What is known about Hunter's dealings in China?
In 2013, Hunter flew aboard Air Force Two with his father, who was then vice-president, on an official visit to Beijing, where the younger Biden met investment banker Jonathan Li.
Hunter told the New Yorker he just met Mr Li for "a cup of coffee", but 12 days after the trip a private equity fund, BHR Partners, was approved by the Chinese authorities. Mr Li was chief executive and Hunter was a board member. He would hold a 10% stake.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132
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Ad Hominem much?
So instead of attacking the information, which has not yet been denied by anyone in the Biden campaign, attack the messenger on a personal basis.
If that's how you see it. That's up to you.
It appears that the history, potential financial or other motives, timing, and credibility of someone making assertions and accusations isn't important to you. That's up to you too.
I didn't "attack" Bobulinski or his "information". I simply pointed out that all of his personal property and assets are subject to Federal Court ordered seizure as of 10 days ago and the circumstances behind it. I also linked to reporting from a Fox News reporter regarding the "evidence" that he has provided.
So far, although there has been a great deal of excitement from Trump and right-wing media that Hunter Biden's personal life and business dealings would somehow create an election problem for Joe Biden, there has yet to be any evidence that Hunter Biden's business dealings were illegal in any way. Two Republican lead Senate investigations came up with a determination that they were "awkward", but awkward is some distance from illegal the last time I looked at a map. And nowhere has there been any evidence that Joe Biden did anything except carry out official U.S. policy as Vice-President as he was directed and which in the case of Ukraine had bipartisan support in addition to that of our allies in the EU. But, I have no doubt that the smear campaign will continue unabated and will be eagerly consumed and parroted by some and that any and all "information" that doesn't fit their narrative will be ignored, dismissed, or even attacked with a how-dare-you attitude.
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For a guy who complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests
You're making a completely false allegation toward me. I don't know that I've ever mentioned Eric or Don Jr. and I damn sure know that I've never "complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests".
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I found this. There's also a picture of Hunter and his wife with Joe Biden getting off AF2 in China. Hunter should have taken a commercial PanAM and met the banker when his father wasn't there. Classic influence peddling.
What is known about Hunter's dealings in China?
In 2013, Hunter flew aboard Air Force Two with his father, who was then vice-president, on an official visit to Beijing, where the younger Biden met investment banker Jonathan Li.
Hunter told the New Yorker he just met Mr Li for "a cup of coffee", but 12 days after the trip a private equity fund, BHR Partners, was approved by the Chinese authorities. Mr Li was chief executive and Hunter was a board member. He would hold a 10% stake.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132
Hunter Biden flew on 411 times to 29 countries with SS
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/hunter-biden-flights/
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Well, if the Russians didn't do it, maybe Trump hired British spy Steele of Clinton dossier fame to fabricate the emails on a MI6 laptop.
Good point. I guess that's possible. It's at least as credible as some of the other stuff.
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I beleieve Iraq, Lebanon and Syria, maybe others. But it's not only peace treaties with former combatants. It's diplomatic relations that are being established with countries such as Sudan, the UAR, etc. who have been hostile to them. Additionally, Israel has been given a hard time with trade by many western nations. If Arab countries and Israel have diplomatic and trade relations, these things go away which is good for everyone. Turkey, although not Arab, officially has no relations with Israel. However, we know that both countries work together on security arrangements. If major Arab countries start making deals with Israel, Turkey too might make the relations public. I'm sure you'd want to see conflicts in the ME end, wouldn't you?
A guy once told me that if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. I frequently think about that when I read posts like these.
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You're making a completely false allegation toward me. I don't know that I've ever mentioned Eric or Don Jr. and I damn sure know that I've never "complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests".
I'm sorry that I accused you. But the charges against them have been constant here in the forums and I thought you were one of them. It seems people complained about Trump businesses which were all privately developed before he even entered politics. But they care little about Biden and his son's activities while Biden held public office for over forty years. The doubled standard is obscene. Again, I'm glad you're not one of them and apologize for accusing you.
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Hunter Biden flew on 411 times to 29 countries with SS
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/hunter-biden-flights/
Gee I wonder if Joe and Hunter ever talked business during all those flights on AF2?
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Hunter Biden flew on 411 times to 29 countries with SS
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/hunter-biden-flights/
From the article:
NBC reporter Josh Lederman, who was one of four reporters on the December 2013 trip, noted in an October 2, 2019 report that, “What wasn’t known then was that as he accompanied his father to China, Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund that associates said at the time was planning to raise big money, including from China.”
During the last year and a half of the Obama administration, Hunter Biden served on the board of Ukrainian energy firm Burisma Holdings while his father was heading up Ukraine policy. Judicial Watch is seeking records through six lawsuits and dozens of FOIA requests related to Hunter Biden’s dealings with the Ukrainian Burisma Holdings and the Chinese BHR Partners.
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Gee I wonder if Joe and Hunter ever talked business during all those flights on AF2?
I don't know. Maybe they did and maybe they didn't. If they did talk, I wonder what they said? I can think of two or three million things they may have talked about off the top of my head. But no one will ever know. Still, we can fantasize about it.
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From the article:
NBC reporter Josh Lederman, who was one of four reporters on the December 2013 trip, noted in an October 2, 2019 report that, “What wasn’t known then was that as he accompanied his father to China, Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund that associates said at the time was planning to raise big money, including from China.”
During the last year and a half of the Obama administration, Hunter Biden served on the board of Ukrainian energy firm Burisma Holdings while his father was heading up Ukraine policy. Judicial Watch is seeking records through six lawsuits and dozens of FOIA requests related to Hunter Biden’s dealings with the Ukrainian Burisma Holdings and the Chinese BHR Partners.
Is any of this news? I think those Judicial Watch FOIA lawsuits take a couple of years. Maybe we will know about this after we are all dead. Or not. I went over to the Judicial Watch website to see what they were up to these days. Looks like they are still pretty obsessed with Hillary's emails.
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Hunter Biden flew on 411 times to 29 countries with SS
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/hunter-biden-flights/
Busy guy. I take it SS means Secret Service, as in Secret Service detail. Do you know off the top of your head how many flights to how many countries all the Trump children, wives, and others have taken with the "SS" since Trump took office?
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Also from Fox News National Reporter Jacqui Heinrich twitter feed regarding Hunter Biden laptop emails...
FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop: “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s claim that it’s NOT Russian disinfo, adding if actionable intel develops, FBI *may* inform Homeland Security Cmte
Democratic official with knowledge of intelligence committee discussions tells me:
"The FBI will not confirm exactly what they are investigating – adding that this may relate to the ongoing investigation around Rudy Giuliani that has been recently reported...
...However, members of the intelligence committee have learned that the FBI is indeed investigating the provenance of the emails and whether it is part of a foreign disinformation operation – which the FBI would investigate whether or not the emails are real...
..The FBI’s handling of John Paul Mac Isaac indicates he is a target of the investigation, rather than a witness. Mac Isaac stated that he met with the FBI once or twice, then the FBI stopped talking to him...
...There is bipartisan skepticism surrounding Ratcliffe’s statement on Sunday, and this democratic source says they believe Ratcliffe was trying to state that the FBI has not confirmed that this is disinformation, as Adam Schiff suggested...
...However, Ratcliffe went too far in trying to provide political cover in support of the President, which is an inappropriate action for a DNI.
Ratcliffe is showing inexperience with intelligence by saying that the lack of intel proves there is no involvement...
...Folks within the FBI who are looking into this matter very much suspect, but do not know for sure, if foreign powers are at play...
...This source adds, members of both parties within the senate intelligence committee are skeptical of the idea that we would know definitively, at this time, the matter is not part of a foreign intel op - because has all the hallmarks of a potential foreign intel op...
... Regarding the FBI’s statement that they have “nothing to add” to Ratcliffe’s statement: They understand this to mean FBI has nothing to add about *available actionable intelligence* at this time, but the investigation is ongoing – not understand it as affirming Ratcliffe.
Finally - per my talks with sources tonight - Big bipartisan takeaway verified by Republican & Dem sides: as of now, investigators have revealed no evidence showing that this is a Russian disinfo campaign – but the investigation is ongoing, and it has not been ruled out. END.
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/FBI indicates it IS investigating POSSIBILITY of foreign interference on Hunter Biden laptop (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1318790839485845504)
may, possibility, will not confirm, “sources”, indicates, believes Says Democrats with an interest in making this go away as quickly as possible.
Nice reporting there Wilfred.
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But the issue is Hunter used his father, Air Force 2 and the office of the VP to advance his son's business interests. VP Biden met with these officials advancing his son;s business interests. Your Bubbi... points just confirms there was a business deal even if Joe Biden wasn't a listed member of the deal. For a guy who complained about how Eric and Don Jr used Donald's position as president for their business interests, you seem to shrug your shoulders and lose interest with this Biden deal. You seem to have different standards depending on whose ox is being gored.
Anybody know if Hillary was a silent partner? Maybe Michelle?
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Busy guy. I take it SS means Secret Service, as in Secret Service detail. Do you know off the top of your head how many flights to how many countries all the Trump children, wives, and others have taken with the "SS" since Trump took office?
Not a clue, why don’t you tell us?
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Not a clue, why don’t you tell us?
I couldn't keep up with it all. That's why I was hoping you would know.
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I hate to steer anyone away from the national campaigns, but this is just too good of an example of how NOT to conduct a political smear campaign that I couldn't resist. It does have sort of a familiar aroma.
Wichita Eagle October 23, 2020: Secret recording: O’Donnell, Capps, Clendenin plot how to get away with Whipple smear
https://amp.kansas.com/news/secret recording released Friday shows Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for falsified ad smearing mayoral candidate (https://amp.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article246669242.html)
Excerpts Below
A secret recording released Friday shows that three Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for a falsified ad they put together smearing then-mayoral candidate Brandon Whipple.
State Rep. Michael Capps said the anti-Whipple video was justifiable to derail Whipple’s candidacy, because he’s a “liberal Democrat.”
O’Donnell, Capps and Wichita City Council member James Clendenin were behind the plot. And when their involvement was coming to light, they decided to lie and frame members of their own party, the recording reveals.
Initially, they thought to implicate both county GOP Chairman Dalton Glasscock and County Clerk Kelly Arnold, a former chairman of the state Republican Party. They ultimately decided not to try to implicate Arnold because he was more capable of fighting back and they felt it was a war they couldn’t win.
In the secret recording — about 50 minutes long — O’Donnell, Clendenin and Capps craft a calculated narrative meant to mislead the public and cover their tracks while saving their political careers.
The fake ad, launched on Facebook and YouTube about two weeks before the November mayoral election, used paid actresses posing as legislative interns to falsely accuse Whipple of sexual harassment when he was a state representative.
One of those actresses told The Eagle she was paid $50 to read the script and told it would be used in a public-service message denouncing violence against women.
The script lifted accusations from a Kansas City Star/Wichita Eagle story about alleged Statehouse harassment by Republican senators and those accusations didn’t involve Whipple.
O’Donnell, who has fought off several scandals in his political career as a City Council member, state senator and county commissioner, offered a nugget of advice to the others.
“Like I’ve always learned in politics, it’s always avoid the truth at all expense, right? And just go on the attack.” O’Donnell said.
The four participants in the meeting brainstormed talking points for the Whitmer show and discussed how they could manufacture their narrative around a meeting with Glasscock that never happened.
At one juncture, Capps pointed out that Glasscock had been traveling out of town and asked O’Donnell to sift through his text messages and find a day when Glasscock was actually in Wichita, to add plausibility to Capps’ claim that he’d met with him.
They also settled on what their story would be if Capps were asked where the purported meeting occurred.
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I couldn't keep up with it all. That's why I was hoping you would know.
Here you go, it’s not broken down by person, but the Trumps travel a lot.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-family-travel-12x-obama-family/
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I hate to steer anyone away from the national campaigns, but this is just too good of an example of how NOT to conduct a political smear campaign that I couldn't resist. It does have sort of a familiar aroma.
Wichita Eagle October 23, 2020: Secret recording: O’Donnell, Capps, Clendenin plot how to get away with Whipple smear
https://amp.kansas.com/news/secret recording released Friday shows Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for falsified ad smearing mayoral candidate (https://amp.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article246669242.html)
Excerpts Below
A secret recording released Friday shows that three Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for a falsified ad they put together smearing then-mayoral candidate Brandon Whipple.
State Rep. Michael Capps said the anti-Whipple video was justifiable to derail Whipple’s candidacy, because he’s a “liberal Democrat.”
O’Donnell, Capps and Wichita City Council member James Clendenin were behind the plot. And when their involvement was coming to light, they decided to lie and frame members of their own party, the recording reveals.
Initially, they thought to implicate both county GOP Chairman Dalton Glasscock and County Clerk Kelly Arnold, a former chairman of the state Republican Party. They ultimately decided not to try to implicate Arnold because he was more capable of fighting back and they felt it was a war they couldn’t win.
In the secret recording — about 50 minutes long — O’Donnell, Clendenin and Capps craft a calculated narrative meant to mislead the public and cover their tracks while saving their political careers.
The fake ad, launched on Facebook and YouTube about two weeks before the November mayoral election, used paid actresses posing as legislative interns to falsely accuse Whipple of sexual harassment when he was a state representative.
One of those actresses told The Eagle she was paid $50 to read the script and told it would be used in a public-service message denouncing violence against women.
The script lifted accusations from a Kansas City Star/Wichita Eagle story about alleged Statehouse harassment by Republican senators and those accusations didn’t involve Whipple.
O’Donnell, who has fought off several scandals in his political career as a City Council member, state senator and county commissioner, offered a nugget of advice to the others.
“Like I’ve always learned in politics, it’s always avoid the truth at all expense, right? And just go on the attack.” O’Donnell said.
The four participants in the meeting brainstormed talking points for the Whitmer show and discussed how they could manufacture their narrative around a meeting with Glasscock that never happened.
At one juncture, Capps pointed out that Glasscock had been traveling out of town and asked O’Donnell to sift through his text messages and find a day when Glasscock was actually in Wichita, to add plausibility to Capps’ claim that he’d met with him.
They also settled on what their story would be if Capps were asked where the purported meeting occurred.
Wow Wilfred, that’s simply amazing. I sure glad only those dastardly Republicans would do such a thing.
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Here you go, it’s not broken down by person, but the Trumps travel a lot.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-family-travel-12x-obama-family/
Well, if they traveled twelve times as much, then maybe they did twelve times as much sinister stuff. Bears looking into. Maybe some computer repair guy has all of their laptops, to sort of give us a running start.
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I hate to steer anyone away from the national campaigns, but this is just too good of an example of how NOT to conduct a political smear campaign that I couldn't resist. It does have sort of a familiar aroma.
Wichita Eagle October 23, 2020: Secret recording: O’Donnell, Capps, Clendenin plot how to get away with Whipple smear
https://amp.kansas.com/news/secret recording released Friday shows Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for falsified ad smearing mayoral candidate (https://amp.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article246669242.html)
Excerpts Below
A secret recording released Friday shows that three Republican officials sought to frame the county’s Republican chairman for a falsified ad they put together smearing then-mayoral candidate Brandon Whipple.
State Rep. Michael Capps said the anti-Whipple video was justifiable to derail Whipple’s candidacy, because he’s a “liberal Democrat.”
O’Donnell, Capps and Wichita City Council member James Clendenin were behind the plot. And when their involvement was coming to light, they decided to lie and frame members of their own party, the recording reveals.
Initially, they thought to implicate both county GOP Chairman Dalton Glasscock and County Clerk Kelly Arnold, a former chairman of the state Republican Party. They ultimately decided not to try to implicate Arnold because he was more capable of fighting back and they felt it was a war they couldn’t win.
In the secret recording — about 50 minutes long — O’Donnell, Clendenin and Capps craft a calculated narrative meant to mislead the public and cover their tracks while saving their political careers.
The fake ad, launched on Facebook and YouTube about two weeks before the November mayoral election, used paid actresses posing as legislative interns to falsely accuse Whipple of sexual harassment when he was a state representative.
One of those actresses told The Eagle she was paid $50 to read the script and told it would be used in a public-service message denouncing violence against women.
The script lifted accusations from a Kansas City Star/Wichita Eagle story about alleged Statehouse harassment by Republican senators and those accusations didn’t involve Whipple.
O’Donnell, who has fought off several scandals in his political career as a City Council member, state senator and county commissioner, offered a nugget of advice to the others.
“Like I’ve always learned in politics, it’s always avoid the truth at all expense, right? And just go on the attack.” O’Donnell said.
The four participants in the meeting brainstormed talking points for the Whitmer show and discussed how they could manufacture their narrative around a meeting with Glasscock that never happened.
At one juncture, Capps pointed out that Glasscock had been traveling out of town and asked O’Donnell to sift through his text messages and find a day when Glasscock was actually in Wichita, to add plausibility to Capps’ claim that he’d met with him.
They also settled on what their story would be if Capps were asked where the purported meeting occurred.
If they made that into a TV show, how many seasons would it take to get though all that? I am thinking of sending this to PBS to see if they want to add it to their Masterpiece Mystery series.
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Wow Wilfred, that’s simply amazing. I sure glad only those dastardly Republicans would do such a thing.
You missed the point. The point isn't Republican or Democratic. Either party can have bad actors among such large nationwide organizations.
The point is regarding smear tactics... Before you swallow the bait, it's best to know the nature of the worm.
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The lying is huge but then stuff like self-dealing from his nonprofit, which is literally stealing money from charities takes it to another level.
I think it's the massive income tax evasion which really takes it to a new level, because money from his nonprofit was never going to make it to a charity anyway, unless giving away portraits of himself is considered charity.
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You missed the point. The point isn't Republican or Democratic. Either party can have bad actors among such large nationwide organizations.
The point is regarding smear tactics... Before you swallow the bait, it's best to know the nature of the worm.
No I read your post Wilfred, and I got your point then. Now your coverup is even worse. But without a doubt you have truly swallowed the worm. Intellectually honesty be damned.
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I posted a news report from today that details a political smear campaign and an attempt to cover it up by framing someone else for doing it. Individuals can take away whatever point they choose from it.
The worm is in the eye of the beholder. If you think that's me, I'm fine with that.
https://www.youtube.com/The Twilight Zone - Eye of the Beholder (Short Clip) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puo82y6MsBQ)
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Since the topic of disinformation has come up now and then, I thought I'd point out this interesting podcast from the BBC's Trending program, https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszvsd (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszvsd).
They provide some specific examples of disinformation campaigns that had been financed and organized by entities outside the US over the last few years. The mechanics of doing that are interesting in and of themselves. They go on to give examples of how disinformation campaigns have changed recently to more home grown operations.
They gave one example of how face creation AIs can be used to set up fake accounts on social media.
Sooner or later some people are going to start promoting the idea of limiting free speech to control all the lying. I hope adequate tools for dealing with this cancer can be found before going that dark road.
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I posted a news report from today that details a political smear campaign and an attempt to cover it up by framing someone else for doing it. Individuals can take away whatever point they choose from it.
The worm is in the eye of the beholder. If you think that's me, I'm fine with that.
https://www.youtube.com/The Twilight Zone - Eye of the Beholder (Short Clip) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puo82y6MsBQ)
No, just like your “expose” on Bobulinski, you posted it with glee. The coverup continues.
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If you don't like the news, you can always change the channel.
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If you don't like the news, you can always change the channel.
Why should I? Its far too entertaining. Comedy gold.
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Why should I? Its far too entertaining. Comedy gold.
Great! I'll post whatever news I find interesting and you react however you like. If you're amused, how nice for you. Everyone's happy.
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Well, if they traveled twelve times as much, then maybe they did twelve times as much sinister stuff. Bears looking into. Maybe some computer repair guy has all of their laptops, to sort of give us a running start.
The Trumps took more trips than the Obamas because the Trump's kids are married and have their own children. It's a pretty big family that has business interests throughout the world that they have to manage. (around 500 businesses). All of them require Secret Service protection all the time especially when they travel as required by law to protect the president and US government against threats due to kidnapping and other crimes to his family. The Obamas only had two minor children who were with them all the time. I don't think they were doing business with Chinese bankers or Ukrainian oil companies. So less agents were required and less cost to run the operation.
But the point about the Bidens, is that Hunter used his father's travels on AF2 to meet and ingratiate himself with foreign leaders and business people to exact fancy high paying no-show jobs and deals he would not have gotten without his father being there. That's the issue. It's amazing how perceptive people are about Trump and his kid's business but can't see similar or worse issues with the Bidens. I wonder why?
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You missed the point. The point isn't Republican or Democratic. Either party can have bad actors among such large nationwide organizations.
The point is regarding smear tactics... Before you swallow the bait, it's best to know the nature of the worm.
You mean like the Russian collusion gambit?
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Since the topic of disinformation has come up now and then, I thought I'd point out this interesting podcast from the BBC's Trending program, https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszvsd (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3cszvsd).
They provide some specific examples of disinformation campaigns that had been financed and organized by entities outside the US over the last few years. The mechanics of doing that are interesting in and of themselves. They go on to give examples of how disinformation campaigns have changed recently to more home grown operations.
They gave one example of how face creation AIs can be used to set up fake accounts on social media.
Sooner or later some people are going to start promoting the idea of limiting free speech to control all the lying. I hope adequate tools for dealing with this cancer can be found before going that dark road.
The left wants to control free speech that's otherwise truthful if it doesn't match their view of the world. Same with opinions they disagree with. They'd make Pravda proud.
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If you don't like the news, you can always change the channel.
After watching CNN to see what the opposition is thinking, and getting too nauseous listening to corrupt so-called journalists, I do switch to another channel. Usually it's the Western channel that plays old cowboy movies where it's simple to see the truth and know the good guys from the bad. Quite a relief.
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You mean like the Russian collusion gambit?
Exactly. Like Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passing internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia)
"Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.
The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.
Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.
Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.
The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election.
The report builds on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation — and while it was consistent with the Mueller Report, it in fact goes further."
Much more at NPR story linked above
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I do switch to another channel. Usually it's the Western channel that plays old cowboy movies where it's simple to see the truth and know the good guys from the bad. Quite a relief.
As long as you're aware that they're actors in a fictional play and you're not watching a historical documentary, no harm in that.
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Exactly. Like Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passing internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia)
"Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.
The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.
Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.
Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.
The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election.
The report builds on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation — and while it was consistent with the Mueller Report, it in fact goes further."
Much more at NPR story linked above
Good try. No. I was referring for all the gullible people who bought the Democrat political claim that Trump colluded with the Russians.
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As long as you're aware that they're actors in a fictional play and you're not watching a historical documentary, no harm in that.
Thanks. I'm glad you approve.
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How did Biden get us into Iraq? Was not this a decision by the Bush II administration?
Gosh, and I was wondering how Biden got us into Vietnam. We learned last week that he got out of going because he had childhood asthma. It is not clear to me how at the same time he was getting out of going there he was getting us in. I thought by that time we had already been there for a decade. Maybe if we could find his old laptop, we could scavenge his hard drive for incriminating emails, and perhaps some chid porn and videos showing him sexually abusing underage Chinese girls. Wait...were laptops and emails even invented then? I guess we’ll just have to factor in time travel. The government has been investigating time travel at a secret underground base in the desert in Nevada for years. I saw a show about in on TV. This is starting to look like an open and shut case, so let’s just go with it. If anyone asks us if we have evidence to support our claims, we’ll just tell them that we are not going to do their research for them. That sounds pretty reasonable.
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Good try. No. I was referring for all the gullible people who bought the Democrat political claim that Trump colluded with the Russians.
Are you sure you're not thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the constant lies from Trump and those associated with the campaign claiming that they hadn't talked with any Russians while they actually were meeting with some who lured them with an offer of dirt on Hillary and the campaign manager was meeting with a Russian Intelligence officer? Or maybe you were thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the Trump lies about not having any business dealings in Russia while in reality he was working on a Trump Tower Moscow deal right up to the election.
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Are you sure you're not thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the constant lies from Trump and those associated with the campaign claiming that they hadn't talked with any Russians while they actually were meeting with some who lured them with an offer of dirt on Hillary and the campaign manager was meeting with a Russian Intelligence officer? Or maybe you were thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the Trump lies about not having any business dealings in Russia while in reality he was working on a Trump Tower Moscow deal right up to the election.
I haven’t read the Mueller report in a while so I may be a little hazy, but I thought they concluded that Don Jr. and the others were too stupid to collude with the Russians. As to the second, I thought they concluded that they didn’t have sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump colluded with the Russians, but that they did have sufficient evidence to prove that he and others lied about it. Apparently, it’s not illegal to be stupid or a liar, depending on who you lie to like the FBI or Congress, or at least current DOJ policy is that you can’t indict a sitting president for being stupid or a liar. I mean it was probably more complicated that, but that’s the gist of my takeaway.
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Are you sure you're not thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the constant lies from Trump and those associated with the campaign claiming that they hadn't talked with any Russians while they actually were meeting with some who lured them with an offer of dirt on Hillary and the campaign manager was meeting with a Russian Intelligence officer? Or maybe you were thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the Trump lies about not having any business dealings in Russia while in reality he was working on a Trump Tower Moscow deal right up to the election.
And yet, no evidence was ever found of wrong doing on Trump's part.
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And yet, no evidence was ever found of wrong doing on Trump's part.
It kind of depends on what you mean by “wrong doing”. And I don’t think no evidence was found. I think they found evidence, but determined they probably didn’t find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So it was more a question of burden of proof. I once read that a lot of guilty guys go free because the prosecutor thinks he probably didn’t find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it. So the issue a lot of times is not whether he did it, but whether he hid his tracks well enough so that the prosecutor can’t meet the burden of proof.
And then of course there is the whole thing about DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president even if you do have enough evidence he is guilty. A lot of people think Mueller blew it by not rethinking that idea. Some people say oh we can’t change DOJ policy, but at the same time they say we can change Roe v. Wade. I usually say that they might want to give that some more thought. They rarely take me up on it. Wouldn’t want to have to think. It’s too taxing.
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It kind of depends on what you mean by wrong doing. And I don’t think no evidence was found. I think they found evidence, but determined they didn’t find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So it was not so much a question of burden of prove. I once read that a lot of guilt guys go free, because the prosecutor cannot find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. And then of course there is the whole thing about DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president.
$48M, 18 angry Dem lawyers, dozens of FBI agents, 3 years, etc., etc., etc.
If Trump was guilty, they would have found something considering. They did not. Face it, you were hoodwinked.
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It only has about a week and a half to go!!! What will we do? I guess move over to Kevin's site where there is actual good photo content.
Nothing prevents you from visiting both. I do.
Jeremy
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If Trump was guilty, they would have found something considering. They did not. Face it, you were hoodwinked.
Sort of like with the Bidens, Clintons, Obama, etc.
In any case, they found a lot wrong and it was a good thing to expose it all. They found nothing indictable for Trump, but isn't that a good thing for the country. It might mean that the "deep state" isn't all powerful. ;)
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If Trump was guilty, they would have found something considering. They did not. Face it, you were hoodwinked.
If we have learned one thing from that whole debacle, it is not to go down that same rabbit hole with Hunter Biden. Wouldn't want to waste two years and $48 million just to find out it was all a hoax, and we were hoodwinked. What do you think we are? Stupid?
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If we have learned one thing from that whole debacle, it is not to go down that same rabbit hole with Hunter Biden. Wouldn't want to waste two years and $48 million just to find out it was all a hoax, and we were hoodwinked. What do you think we are? Stupid?
What goes around comes around.
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Great! I'll post whatever news I find interesting and you react however you like. If you're amused, how nice for you. Everyone's happy.
No one ever suggested you do otherwise. Are you feeling insecure?
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Exactly. Like Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passing internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election.
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia (https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-aide-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia)
"Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.
The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.
Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.
Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.
The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election.
The report builds on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation — and while it was consistent with the Mueller Report, it in fact goes further."
Much more at NPR story linked above
Polling data! My now thats a story with national import! Was it a Push poll?
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It kind of depends on what you mean by “wrong doing”. And I don’t think no evidence was found. I think they found evidence, but determined they probably didn’t find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So it was more a question of burden of proof. I once read that a lot of guilty guys go free because the prosecutor thinks he probably didn’t find enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they did it. So the issue a lot of of times is not whether he did it, but whether he hid his tracks well enough so that the prosecutor can’t meet the burden of proof.
And then of course there is the whole thing about DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president even if you do have enough evidence he is guilty. A lot of people think Mueller blew it by not rethinking that idea. Some people say oh we can’t change DOJ policy, but at the same time they say we can change Roe v. Wade. I usually say that they might want to give that some more thought. They rarely take me up on it. Wouldn’t want to have to think. It’s too taxing.
Well of course evidence is the common way we decide if someone committed a crime and they try them in a court of law by a jury of their peers based on that evidence. Generally we don't have prosecuters tell the public that we think the subject did this and this and that, but we think he is a scumbag but we can't prove it. Kind of like what that scumbag Mueller did.
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Are you sure you're not thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the constant lies from Trump and those associated with the campaign claiming that they hadn't talked with any Russians while they actually were meeting with some who lured them with an offer of dirt on Hillary and the campaign manager was meeting with a Russian Intelligence officer? Or maybe you were thinking of all of the gullible people who bought the Trump lies about not having any business dealings in Russia while in reality he was working on a Trump Tower Moscow deal right up to the election.
Oh like the Hillary folks cooking up the Russian dossier and peddling it to the press and the FBI? Things like that?
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Oh like the Hillary folks cooking up the Russian dossier and peddling it to the press and the FBI? Things like that?
It pretty much means that both sides are obsessed with going down rabbit holes to prove the other guys are scoundrels. And of course there is that revenge factor to consider. Anyway, It’s a lot easier than governing.
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It pretty much means that both sides are obsessed with going down rabbit holes to prove the other guys are scoundrels. And of course there is that revenge factor to consider. Anyway, It’s a lot easier than governing.
Trying to find dirt and smearing your opponent is an American tradition. Perfectly legal even if obscene. What's was bad about the Russia hoax is that secret government police forces were illegally used to go after a politician to destroy his candidacy and then his presidency. It hurt the country and set a bad precedence for future political chicanery.
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Finger-pointing and recriminations in the Trump campaign, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/24/trump-election-paranoia-431330 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/24/trump-election-paranoia-431330). This is decidedly not how good leaders manage a crisis. When you choose the management style of calling people names and throwing them under the bus when it suits, unless they're related to you that is, then inevitably you end up with staff who are not loyal, since there is no benefit in being loyal. It's a lousy way to lead although it can attract enthusiastic cultists, for a while anyway.
It's an interesting social experiment the US is conducting, although it's not evident to me why it was necessary to conduct it.
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Trying to find dirt and smearing your opponent is an American tradition. Perfectly legal even if obscene.
Especially when they make stuff up. ;)
What's was bad about the Russia hoax is that secret government police forces were illegally used to go after a politician to destroy his candidacy and then his presidency. It hurt the country and set a bad precedence for future political chicanery.
Please stop the troll farm talking points, it was not a hoax, shown time and again.
And, what "secret government police forces"?
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Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.
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It pretty much means that both sides are obsessed with going down rabbit holes to prove the other guys are scoundrels. And of course there is that revenge factor to consider. Anyway, It’s a lot easier than governing.
Why not? If its good for the goose its good for the gander. We have not had much "governing" here for a very long time. Thats pretty much bipartisan.
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Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.
I shudder to think of that.
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Especially when they make stuff up. ;)
Please stop the troll farm talking points, it was not a hoax, shown time and again.
And, what "secret government police forces"?
The FBI, FISA court, etc. They used false information to allow themselves the illegal right to investigate a political opponent and sitting president before and after a presidential election. I don't think that's even allowed in Canada, but I could be wrong.
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Why not? If its good for the goose its good for the gander. We have not had much "governing" here for a very long time. Thats pretty much bipartisan.
Actually, considering the pressure and stress the president has been under for four years, he's accomplished a lot. I think he relishes the fight. Another man would have withered under the strain. Like when he got Covid. He seems to come back stronger. Meanwhile, his opponent hides out in the basement putting an early "lid" on the day's activities so he can take his noon nap.
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This seems to be making the rounds on the web, something about a Trump tweet about installing men on the Moon and going to Mars, https://worldnewsera.com/news/politics/people-cant-believe-this-rnc-tweet-about-trumps-priorities-isnt-a-parody/ (https://worldnewsera.com/news/politics/people-cant-believe-this-rnc-tweet-about-trumps-priorities-isnt-a-parody/). It is being reported on several sites, which doesn't mean much on its own. Anyone have any idea if this is real? If it is, it seems like a bizarre side trip to take at this point.
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This seems to be making the rounds on the web, something about a Trump tweet about installing men on the Moon and going to Mars, https://worldnewsera.com/news/politics/people-cant-believe-this-rnc-tweet-about-trumps-priorities-isnt-a-parody/ (https://worldnewsera.com/news/politics/people-cant-believe-this-rnc-tweet-about-trumps-priorities-isnt-a-parody/). It is being reported on several sites, which doesn't mean much on its own. Anyone have any idea if this is real? If it is, it seems like a bizarre side trip to take at this point.
When President Kennedy called for putting a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's, everyone thought he was inspirational giving the country a positive goal we all could join in on to strengthen the country and remind us we're all Americans. Why should anyone be opposed to Trump's similar recommendations other than you just don't like him?
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A Congressman's wife has a disturbing dream. I'm not sure I know how to summarize this content.
I'm only including this for its entertainment value, it's Saturday and we need a break, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/louisiana-clay-becca-higgins-premotion-guns_n_5f93691bc5b6a2e1fb615ae1 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/louisiana-clay-becca-higgins-premotion-guns_n_5f93691bc5b6a2e1fb615ae1).
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When President Kennedy called for putting a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's, everyone thought he was inspirational giving the country a positive goal we all could join in on to strengthen the country and remind us we're all Americans. Why should anyone be opposed to Trump's similar recommendations other than you just don't like him?
I'm not sure anyone is necessarily opposed to it. It just seems like a weird thing to come out of the blue and appear on Twitter at this stage of the campaign. Don't politicians issue policy handbooks anymore to inform citizens what to expect from them? Seems a bit haphazard to make random statements on a media platform that not everyone has access to. It's an odd communications strategy.
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Actually, considering the pressure and stress the president has been under for four years, he's accomplished a lot. I think he relishes the fight. Another man would have withered under the strain. Like when he got Covid. He seems to come back stronger. Meanwhile, his opponent hides out in the basement putting an early "lid" on the day's activities so he can take his noon nap.
You know, that's exactly what I tell my wife, that despite overwhelming odds, I am a tremendous success. She is pretty smart and usually doesn't buy it. Occasionally she drops her guard and I get away with something. But who knows? I'm still married so maybe Trump will get re-elected.
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A Congressman's wife has a disturbing dream. I'm not sure I know how to summarize this content.
I'm only including this for its entertainment value, it's Saturday and we need a break, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/louisiana-clay-becca-higgins-premotion-guns_n_5f93691bc5b6a2e1fb615ae1 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/louisiana-clay-becca-higgins-premotion-guns_n_5f93691bc5b6a2e1fb615ae1).
President Reagan's wife consulted the astrology charts. She once stopped the president from going to an important meeting fearing for his life based on some report she got from her astrologist she often had up at the White House. Unfortunately, the astrologist must have been on vacation when Reagan was shot during an assassination attempt. Where are the Gods when you need them?
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I'm not sure anyone is necessarily opposed to it. It just seems like a weird thing to come out of the blue and appear on Twitter at this stage of the campaign. Don't politicians issue policy handbooks anymore to inform citizens what to expect from them? Seems a bit haphazard to make random statements on a media platform that not everyone has access to. It's an odd communications strategy.
Actually, I though I heard from him awhile ago that he was opposed to going back to the moon. After all, we did that 50 years ago. Why are we doing it again like all these other countries want to do? We should look forward and jump ahead and go directly to Mars. Well, anyway, that sounds more inspirational. Recently, I bought a 4x5 view camera after shooting medium format and 35mm for decades. I thought it might inspire me. Nothing much yet, though. Maybe I should sign up for Mars?
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Actually, I though I heard from him awhile ago that he was opposed to going back to the moon. After all, we did that 50 years ago. Why are we doing it again like all these other countries want to do? We should look forward and jump ahead and go directly to Mars. Well, anyway, that sounds more inspirational. Recently, I bought a 4x5 view camera after shooting medium format and 35mm for decades. I thought it might inspire me. Nothing much yet, though. Maybe I should sign up for Mars?
I have no idea what kind of filters you'll need for the red planet. It's a long flight, pack a lunch.
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Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.
Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.
Jeremy
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When President Kennedy called for putting a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's, everyone thought he was inspirational giving the country a positive goal we all could join in on to strengthen the country and remind us we're all Americans. Why should anyone be opposed to Trump's similar recommendations other than you just don't like him?
Nothing wrong with setting a goal to establish moon bases and go to Mars. The thing is people have been talking about this, and working on this quite successfully, for years, so I'm not sure Trump deserves all the credit. It is like if Kennedy gave the moon speech, and we had already developed the rockets, and had sent the capsule up to the space station and it worked fine. In that case, instead of calling Kennedy an inspirational genius, people would probably ask where he has been all this time. Or kind of like setting a goal to develop and deploy the iPhone 12.
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I have no idea what kind of filters you'll need for the red planet. It's a long flight, pack a lunch.
Red filters?
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Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.
Jeremy
Drivel's only allowed on my thread.
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Nothing wrong with setting a goal to establish moon bases and go to Mars. The thing is people have been talking about this, and working on this quite successfully for years, so I'm not sure Trump deserves all the credit. It is like if Kennedy gave the moon speech, and we had already developed the rockets, and had sent the capsule up to the space station and it worked fine. In that case, instead of calling Kennedy an inspirational genius, people would probably ask where has he been.
Trump is taking positions on a full range of issues for the election showing what his policies are for voters. That's appropriate and is what candidates do. It would be nice to know what Biden's policy is on packing the court.
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Actually, I though I heard from him awhile ago that he was opposed to going back to the moon. After all, we did that 50 years ago. Why are we doing it again like all these other countries want to do? We should look forward and jump ahead and go directly to Mars. Well, anyway, that sounds more inspirational. Recently, I bought a 4x5 view camera after shooting medium format and 35mm for decades. I thought it might inspire me. Nothing much yet, though. Maybe I should sign up for Mars?
...and make Mexico pay for it..!
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Trump is taking positions on a full range of issues for the election showing what his policies are for voters. That's appropriate and is what candidates do. It would be nice to know what Biden's policy is on packing the court.
Why do you want to know Biden's policy on packing the court? If he said he wouldn't allow it during his administration, would you vote for him? As far as Trump's agenda, I thought the Republicans just re-adopted the 2016 platform?
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Why do you want to know Biden's policy on packing the court? If he said he wouldn't allow it during his administration, would you vote for him? As far as Trump's agenda, I thought the Republicans just re-adopted the 2016 platform?
The 2016 plan working pretty well until the China virus started and the Biden youth vote trashed our cities.
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You guys enjoy your day. Its cool and sunny here. I'm gonna finish mowing the lawn and then we are going to pull out the 530i and take a spin in the country for a bit.
We areh aving a nice steak for supper. Then a fire in the firepit and some Fireball later in the evening. I've voted so my choice has been made. Politics can wait for another day. Life awaits! Cheers!
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...and make Mexico pay for it..!
I think we should build a wall on Mars to keep the Venusians out. I'm not sure who we can get to pay for it though.
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You guys enjoy your day. Its cool and sunny here. I'm gonna finish mowing the lawn and then we are going to pull out the 530i and take a spin in the country for a bit.
We areh aving a nice steak for supper. Then a fire in the firepit and some Fireball later in the evening. I've voted so my choice has been made. Politics can wait for another day. Life awaits! Cheers!
The clouds are breaking here. I think I'll get out and see how the foliage is doing and shoot some film. What's Fireball?
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The 2016 plan working pretty well until the China virus started and the Biden youth vote trashed our cities.
Perhaps. But that was then and this is now. You'd think they might want to update it a little here and there in light of changing circumstances. Probably too much effort. I thought at the 2020 convention Republicans said they wanted to do whatever Trump wanted to do whenever he comes up with something, you know, sort of the we don't want to restrain the genius of our candidate with a platform approach.
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I think we should build a wall on Mars to keep the Venusians out. I'm not sure who we can get to pay for it though.
Since the gravity on Mars is 38 percent of Earth's gravity, a 500-pound wall panel on Earth would weigh only 200 pounds on Mars, so the construction should proceed much quicker than of the border wall along the banks of the Rio Grande.
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The clouds are breaking here. I think I'll get out and see how the foliage is doing and shoot some film. What's Fireball?
We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.
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We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.
I find that I can complain.
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Perhaps. But that was then and this is now. You'd think they might want to update it a little here and there in light of changing circumstances. Probably too much effort. I thought at the 2020 convention Republicans said they wanted to do whatever Trump wanted to do whenever he comes up with something, you know, sort of the we don't want to restrain the genius with a platform approach.
I didn't realize there was a Republican convention because of the virus. Was there? Did anyone pay attention? I remember the Democratic convention or at least there was something on Zoom I think. Everyone had a mask on so you couldn't tell who was speaking. I thought I was watching an old Lone Ranger movie. AOC nominated Bernie Sanders for president, and everyone got a good laugh again like they did in 2016.
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Since the gravity on Mars is 38 percent of Earth's gravity, a 500-pound wall panel on Earth would weigh only 200 pounds on Mars, so the construction should proceed much quicker than of the border wall along the banks of the Rio Grande.
If Biden wins, he could tear down the wall at the Rio Grande and send the bricks to Mars.
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I find that I can complain.
I could if I wanted too I guess, but I find it is rarely worth it in either the short or long run. I guess sometimes I do. I'm not perfect.
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We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.
I did my sock drawer last week and feel very pleased with myself. My wife didn't tell me to do it. I'm still working on the video from our vacation in California and Las Vegas. That was last December. ???
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I could if I wanted too I guess, but I find it is rarely worth it in either the short or long run. I guess sometimes I do. I'm not perfect.
We're on page 149. Just a reminder. We'll all have to detox when Jeremy shuts us down. :)
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We're on page 149. Just a reminder. We'll all have to detox when Jeremy shuts us down. :)
Detox? He is just letting us out of the asylum.
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I didn't realize there was a Republican convention because of the virus. Was there? Did anyone pay attention?
No. Everyone ran away after Kimberley Guilfoyle's shout out. Even the opportunity to hear the Trump family's dog's endorsement wasn't enough to keep anyone around. Why do you think they re-adopted the 2016 platform. They had to get out of there fast. I guess by now you have heard about the COVID pandemic.
I have no idea what happened at the Democratic convention. I didn't watch it. I think it was supposed to be on Zoom, and I wasn't really interested in seeing a bunch of people in their pajamas having a bad hair day. I sure wasn't going to get dressed, not to mention I didn't have enough high-brow books for the bookshelf behind me. Besides, the news channels had highlight reels, and told you all the inside scoop. You could see what you needed in an hour, including commercial breaks.
Besides, nobody is going to change their vote anyway. The Republicans are going to vote for Trump, and the Democrats are going to vote for whichever of the 23 guys and gals wins the primary, in this case Biden. I guess there are a number of true independents, but most of them vote for the same party they voted for last time, so they are not really that independent. And then there are those pitiable souls who throw away their vote on a third party candidate. I guess that they just like to drive over to the polls to get a sticker. There's just no other explanation.
Do you know what the worst thing is about elections? Bumper stickers. I mean after everything is over you can't get them off, and so you have to drive around telling everyone that you obviously voted for the wrong guy. We used to be able to get them off, but now all the bumpers are plastic and you'll ruin your paint job if you try. And your children won't be able to get the bumper stickers off their notebooks. You think cyber-bullying is bad, you should see what goes on when you walk down the hallway at school with the loser's bumper sticker on your notebook. How do I know? I had a Goldwater sticker on my notebook in elementary school and I am still in therapy.
Democracy in action. Who thought this up? I mean it is a good idea and everything. It's just the way it actually pans out that makes you wonder sometimes.
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You're spitting into the wind. Hell would have to freeze over before they'll give Trump credit for anything. I don't understand why they're so bitter?
How can we be bitter about an incompetent businessman who is a pathological liar? All we can do is wonder why so many in the US fell for the long con.
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Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.
Just read this forum every day and you quickly find out.
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The 2016 plan working pretty well until the China virus started and the Biden youth vote trashed our cities.
Actually the virus infecting America did not come from China. It's genetic origin is Italian!
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How can we be bitter about an incompetent businessman who is a pathological liar? All we can do is wonder why so many in the US fell for the long con.
You forgot...
...whose negligence probably led to the death of well over 100,000 Americans from covid-19.
Or maybe you didn't forget. It's that the entire list is so long...
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You guys enjoy your day. Its cool and sunny here. I'm gonna finish mowing the lawn and then we are going to pull out the 530i and take a spin in the country for a bit.
We areh aving a nice steak for supper. Then a fire in the firepit and some Fireball later in the evening. I've voted so my choice has been made. Politics can wait for another day. Life awaits! Cheers!
Enjoy the drive!
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Enjoy the drive!
Or the Con, indeed, ...
Fact-checking (only a very few of the scams by) con artists in the Trump era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlOwXHEYtwE
Boy, does this tell something about his supporters ...
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Or the Con, indeed, ...
Fact-checking (only a very few of the scams by) con artists in the Trump era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlOwXHEYtwE
Boy, does this tell something about his supporters ...
And you supported China who gave the world the virus and lied about it.
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And you supported China who gave the world the virus and lied about it.
Say again?
Do you really think that even reasonable people are buying that basic Trump narrative?
Are you that desperate? Let's cut through the noise and madness, for Pete's sake.
Let's talk about health care, that affects real people. Trump did almost everything wong to protect citizens ...
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Say again?
Do you really think that even reasonable people are buying that basic Trump narrative?
Are you that desperate? Let's cut through the noise and madness, for Pete's sake.
Let's talk about health care, that affects real people. Trump did almost everything wong to protect citizens ...
Bart, You forget that you supported China when I said they were a bad actor in the Paris Agreement as the worst polluter in the world and getting even worse and would not even do anything about it until 2030. Well, now they've given us the virus on top of the worse CO2 pollution, 1/3 of the world's total. You defended them at that time with their pollution making excuses for them. How can you continue to defend them about the virus? Forget about Trump. Look what they have done to Europe and the rest of the world.
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Detox? He is just letting us out of the asylum.
Oh, you've always been free to leave. You stay because you like it here.
Jeremy
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Bart, You forget that you supported China when I said they were a bad actor in the Paris Agreement as the worst polluter in the world and getting even worse and would not even do anything about it until 2030. Well, now they've given us the virus on top of the worse CO2 pollution, 1/3 of the world's total. You defended them at that time with their pollution making excuses for them. How can you continue to defend them about the virus? Forget about Trump. Look what they have done to Europe and the rest of the world.
I see what you did there Alan, talking about Covid and then suddenly switching to climate change.... 8) Smooth...
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I see what you did there Alan, talking about Covid and then suddenly switching to climate change.... 8) Smooth...
Just wait. Next it will be since you support China, not that you do, but since you support China, and China makes unnecessary plastic objects, you are responsible for all the unnecessary plastic objects in the world, and since people eventually figure out that their plastic objects are unnecessary and throw them out, you are responsible for all the pollution in the world, including the pollution from micro plastics in the oceans which comes from the manufacture and disposal of unnecessary plastic objects, and since Bart is Dutch, and he supports China, all Dutch people are responsible too, and since the Netherlands is in the EU, and on and on, and on..., until he changes the subject to Brexit, because now that he mentions the EU, well the subject naturally follows. And since Trump has unnecessary plastic objects and throws some of them out, but lies and says he doesn’t, he is not responsible for any of this, and since he is not responsible and you are, you hate him because he is better than you. And so you ask Alan if he has any unnecessary plastic objects, and he says he is not going to do your research for you. Did I mention that fish absorb the micro plastics, and seals eat the fish, and polar bears eat the seals and die, and that is why the polar bears are going extinct, not climate change?
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Actually the virus infecting America did not come from China. It's genetic origin is Italian!
This is like saying milk comes from the grocery store, not a cow.
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Does it really matter where on the planet the virus jumped from something else to humans? They all start somewhere and they spread quickly, surely that's the important overriding lesson, isn't it. The borders drawn on maps only matter to humans, other life forms don't give a damn. But hey, if you want to keep blaming the Chinese, commie libtards, Hilary or Satan, go nuts if it makes you feel better.
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Actually the virus infecting America did not come from China. It's genetic origin is Italian!
Mama mia! And I thought pizza came from Italy. Pretty soon people will claim pasta came from China. What a crazy world.
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Does it really matter where on the planet the virus jumped from something else to humans? They all start somewhere and they spread quickly, surely that's the important overriding lesson, isn't it. The borders drawn on maps only matter to humans, other life forms don't give a damn. But hey, if you want to keep blaming the Chinese, commie libtards, Hilary or Satan, go nuts if it makes you feel better.
It didn't happen naturally. It was created in a Chinese lab. The real question is why were the working on it? Who did they intend to use it on and when and under what circumstances? The fact is, the whole world has suffered while their economy continues to grow. Is that a coincidence, good medicine or by active planning? Is your Canada going to stop China's design for the world and their plans to control it? After the US election, common sense and reality hopefully will return. TDS is making people blind.
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Does it really matter where on the planet the virus jumped from something else to humans?
Well, it's got to be somebody's fault. It couldn't just happen.
Edit: I am clairvoyant. I was typing my response at the same time as Alan, but he pressed Enter first.
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It didn't happen naturally. It was created in a Chinese lab.
Now I have to go over to Costco and get some more computer screen wipes. And coffee.
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Enjoy the drive!
I did, thanks.
It was the last drive before I tear the car apart. During the lockdown I bought the perts to replace the entire suspension - front and rear - but I got busy and I had to put it all away. Now the last unit of the season has been shot, the post done, the files delivered and the invoice written. I'm a free man until Feb or March. So now its time to get to work! The car turns 20 in the srping, its ready for the update.
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This is like saying milk comes from the grocery store, not a cow.
Yeah, but where do cows come from? You are not thinking this all the way through. Some say God created them, just like the bats in China who created coronavirus. It's all God's fault, not China's. Do you believe in an all powerful, all merciful God? Because if you do, like Desi Arnez used to say, you've got some 'splaining to do. Maybe focus on why God didn't create natural antibodies in humans. If God didn't create the cows and bats, where did they come from? You see, this coronavirus blame game is a great big bag of worms. You could have about six PhDs and still not be able to figure it out, which is why you throw your hands up in the air and just say China. It is too much trouble otherwise. Besides it makes you feel better because you don't have acknowledge that it's Trump fault.
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Does it really matter where on the planet the virus jumped from something else to humans? They all start somewhere and they spread quickly, surely that's the important overriding lesson, isn't it. The borders drawn on maps only matter to humans, other life forms don't give a damn. But hey, if you want to keep blaming the Chinese, commie libtards, Hilary or Satan, go nuts if it makes you feel better.
Yes, it does, considering all of the recent new viruses have come out of Asia. This points to something they are doing wrong, or at the very least, they can make improvements to keep these events less prevalent.
Otherwise the eventual reaction will be to just boycott all of Asia by the rest of the world.
We cant afford to go through this every 5 years, and if they cant get their act together, it would cost a less to just shut them off. That is what the reaction will be eventually.
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Yeah, but where do cows come from? You are not thinking this all the way through. Some say God created them, just like the bats in China who created coronavirus. It's all God's fault, not China's. Do you believe in an all powerful, all merciful God? Because if you do, like Desi Arnez used to say, you've got some 'splaining to do. If God didn't create the cows and bats, where did they come from? You see, this coronavirus blame game is a big bag of worms. You could have about six PhDs and you still couldn't figure it out, which is why you throw your hands up in the air and just say China.
I'm an atheist, but thanks for trying. But if you really want to know my opinions on why to keep tract of where it came from, see above.
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The clouds are breaking here. I think I'll get out and see how the foliage is doing and shoot some film. What's Fireball?
Fireball....
https://fireballwhisky.com/
We do shots around the fire, its kind of a ritual with my friends. Sadly we had no friends over last night. Its a real shame that the social things we took for granted less that a year ago are on hold today. But my friends are all old too :( and none of us wants to take the chance.
If this had been a year ago there would have been racks of ribs in the smoker, Jason Aldean playing and friends laughing and cutting up. I only hope next year brings us better times.
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Fireball....
https://fireballwhisky.com/
We do shots around the fire, its kind of a ritual with my friends. Sadly we had no friends over last night. Its a real shame that the social things we took for granted less that a year ago are on hold today. But my friends are all old too :( and none of us wants to take the chance.
If this had been a year ago there would have been racks of ribs in the smoker, Jason Aldean playing and friends laughing and cutting up. I only hope next year brings us better times.
Yes, let's hope.
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It didn't happen naturally. It was created in a Chinese lab.
Thanks for this, Alan. I was worried that faberryman's posts were bordering on the whimsical lately, thankfully you've returned the thread back to earth. I can go and enjoy a Sunday autumn colours drive with some peace of mind.
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It didn't happen naturally. It was created in a Chinese lab.
There is no scientific evidence other than from conspiracy fearmongers that this statement is true.
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Yes, it does, considering all of the recent new viruses have come out of Asia. This points to something they are doing wrong, or at the very least, they can make improvements to keep these events less prevalent.
Otherwise the eventual reaction will be to just boycott all of Asia by the rest of the world.
We cant afford to go through this every 5 years, and if they cant get their act together, it would cost a less to just shut them off. That is what the reaction will be eventually.
Everything is everywhere and you cannot get away from that fundamental principal of nature. Did you know the US still has cases of Bubonic Plague each year? Many flu viruses move between pigs, humans, and ducks, swapping genes all the time as well as mutating. these events are pretty much beyond human control and result in new varieties of influenza each year. Scientists still don't know where the 1918 'Spanish' influenza strain came from. Your comment on boycotting Asia is laughable given international commerce.
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Thanks for this, Alan. I was worried that faberryman's posts were bordering on the whimsical lately, thankfully you've returned the thread back to earth. I can go and enjoy a Sunday autumn colours drive with some peace of mind.
Yes, I've noticed his whimsy lately too. Glad he's lightening up. I wonder if he's smoking anything? :)
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I'm an atheist, but thanks for trying. But if you really want to know my opinions on why to keep tract of where it came from, see above.
If you think the believers have some 'splaining to do, the atheists really have some 'splaining to do. The believers believe so they don't have to 'splain all the extra stuff the atheists have to 'splain. I mean it is just easier to go to church. Besides if you go to church, you get to have a Lent box, and you can give the money in it to Pat Robertson if you can't go to church on Easter because of the coronavirus. I think I have told you all about Pat Robertson and his continuing efforts to talk God out of all the bad stuff God told him was going to happen, so I won't repeat it here.
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There is no scientific evidence other than from conspiracy fearmongers that this statement is true.
What were the Chinese doing in their virus lab in Wuhan where the virus started? Why does China have it under control and their economy is expanding while the rest of the world's economies are shrinking in recession? Too many coincidences. I hope you're right. I don't think they care about the rest of the world when you consider that their own Communist party killed 20 million of their own people under Mao. Do you think Xi cares about you or me? If you are correct, they still lied about the nature of it for the first six weeks. That time could have been used by the rest of the world to get started fighting it better. China is a bad actor regardless.
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Thanks for this, Alan. I was worried that faberryman's posts were bordering on the whimsical lately, thankfully you've returned the thread back to earth. I can go and enjoy a Sunday autumn colours drive with some peace of mind.
Don't forget to revel in God's great creation if you are so inclined. Otherwise, just take some photographs of the Fall foliage. Either way you'll come out a winner.
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There is no scientific evidence other than from conspiracy fearmongers that this statement is true.
Who needs scientific evidence? Besides, just because it is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's not true. I deduced that from what Gene Hackman said in Enemy of the State: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you." I have surmised this is Alan's thought process.
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What were the Chinese doing in their virus lab in Wuhan where the virus started?
I don't know, do you? Probably most of them were just drinking coffee. Have you been to many scientific labs? I did a survey once, and the fact is there are more coffee machines than bunsen burners in most labs. And a lot of scientists make their coffee with a bunsen burner anyway. Why do you think it takes so long to discover cures?
Why does China have it under control and their economy is expanding while the rest of the world's economies are shrinking in recession?
Because Donald Trump is not President of China?
Too many coincidences.
You can never have too many coincidences.
I hope you're right.
I know I'm right.
I don't think they care about the rest of the world when you consider that their own Communist party killed 20 million of their own people under Mao.
That was a long time ago. They are doing better now. Nobody is perfect. You just have to keep working at it. You need to have a chat with your spiritual advisor about forgiveness. You do seem to be talking to your therapist though. I noticed that you don't seem to be letting all that anger build up inside you. Instead, you are letting it out by posting here. Doesn't mean other people like it especially.
Do you think Xi cares about you or me?
Do you think Trump cares about the Chinese? He certainly doesn't have very many nice things to say about them.
If you are correct, they still lied about the nature of it for the first six weeks. That time could have been used by the rest of the world to get started fighting it better.
It doesn't matter. Trump would have still farted around until mid-March. Why do you need to do anything when there are only fifteen people who have it and it is going down to zero very soon? Not to mention the warm weather was coming. Besides, if had done something earlier, the economy would have gone to hell in a handbasket earlier. It's bad enough as it is. Maybe we should thank the Chinese that we had such good numbers in the first quarter.
China is a bad actor regardless.
A lot of countries think the US is a bad actor. Even you have said the war in Iraq was a bad idea.
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What were the Chinese doing in their virus lab in Wuhan where the virus started? Why does China have it under control and their economy is expanding while the rest of the world's economies are shrinking in recession? Too many coincidences. I hope you're right. I don't think they care about the rest of the world when you consider that their own Communist party killed 20 million of their own people under Mao. Do you think Xi cares about you or me? If you are correct, they still lied about the nature of it for the first six weeks. That time could have been used by the rest of the world to get started fighting it better. China is a bad actor regardless.
Alan, unless you are purposely trying to stir things up here I would like to point something out to you.
You stated in your Reply #2297: "It was created in a Chinese lab". To me, that sounds like you are stating a fact.
Here, it is, "I hope you're right" and "(I)f you are correct"...
Why would anyone believe what you say and take your discussion here respectfully and seriously?
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It didn't happen naturally. It was created in a Chinese lab.
Yet another WAA.*. Verify this with evidence or retract it, please. Otherwise, you’re deliberately spreading disinformation.
You can’t weasel out by saying this statement is your “opinion”
* WAA = Wild Ass Assertion.
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Democrats Propose Stopping Coyotes By Distracting Them With Decoy Roadrunners
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-propose-stopping-coyotes-by-distracting-them-with-decoy-roadrunners
EL PASO, TX—After Trump brought attention to the coyote epidemic at the southern border during the debates, Democrats on Twitter are offering unique solutions to the problem, such as setting up decoy roadrunners to distract the coyotes.
"Everyone knows that a coyote's greatest nemesis is the roadrunner. That's just science," said AOC to reporters. "Trump has done nothing to stop the scourge of deadly coyotes smuggling innocent children into the concentration camps at the southern border. We need to do something with science to make it stop!"
AOC and The Squad have partnered to promote legislation that would require large cardboard cutouts of the roadrunner from the famous Warner Brothers cartoons to be placed every 8 feet at the southern border.
"Why is this the first I'm even hearing about this?" said AOC. "I, like, literally can't believe Trump hasn't done anything about the coyotes. We need to do something now, like this new and ambitious plan to place a million roadrunner decoys throughout the desert!"
According to progressive legislators, the new plan will cost only 800 trillion dollars and will create infinity jobs.
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Democrats Propose Stopping Coyotes By Distracting Them With Decoy Roadrunners
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-propose-stopping-coyotes-by-distracting-them-with-decoy-roadrunners
EL PASO, TX—After Trump brought attention to the coyote epidemic at the southern border during the debates, Democrats on Twitter are offering unique solutions to the problem, such as setting up decoy roadrunners to distract the coyotes.
"Everyone knows that a coyote's greatest nemesis is the roadrunner. That's just science," said AOC to reporters. "Trump has done nothing to stop the scourge of deadly coyotes smuggling innocent children into the concentration camps at the southern border. We need to do something with science to make it stop!"
AOC and The Squad have partnered to promote legislation that would require large cardboard cutouts of the roadrunner from the famous Warner Brothers cartoons to be placed every 8 feet at the southern border.
"Why is this the first I'm even hearing about this?" said AOC. "I, like, literally can't believe Trump hasn't done anything about the coyotes. We need to do something now, like this new and ambitious plan to place a million roadrunner decoys throughout the desert!"
According to progressive legislators, the new plan will cost only 800 trillion dollars and will create infinity jobs.
Maybe AOC could order the cutouts from Amazon.
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Yet another WAA.*. Verify this with evidence or retract it, please. Otherwise, you’re deliberately spreading disinformation.
You can’t weasel out by saying this statement is your “opinion”
* WAA = Wild Ass Assertion.
Good grief, stop being a dick. Pretty much everything posted here without a link included is someones opinion. Deal with it.
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Good grief, stop being a dick. Pretty much everything posted here without a link included is someones opinion. Deal with it.
Well, our opinions should be banned because they don't agree with the opinions of the other side. What we need are fact checkers like Twitter and CNN, purveyors of the Truth.
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Well, our opinions should be banned because they don't agree with the opinions of the other side. What we need are fact checkers like Twitter and CNN, purveyors of the Truth.
Well that seems to be the current trend. So much for the party of inclusion and diversity.
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Well that seems to be the current trend. So much for the party of inclusion and diversity.
Diversity of color, gender, sexual preference, etc. but not of thought.
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I'm not being a "dick". I'm being responsible.
Disinformation is disinformation. Lies are lies.
Both are harmful to everyone, as we're seeing every day.
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What were the Chinese doing in their virus lab in Wuhan where the virus started? Why does China have it under control and their economy is expanding while the rest of the world's economies are shrinking in recession? Too many coincidences. I hope you're right. I don't think they care about the rest of the world when you consider that their own Communist party killed 20 million of their own people under Mao. Do you think Xi cares about you or me? If you are correct, they still lied about the nature of it for the first six weeks. That time could have been used by the rest of the world to get started fighting it better. China is a bad actor regardless.
Classic Klein. Make an assertion for which you have no evidence (because there is no evidence) and flail around with subtle changes to the topic when challenged.
Jeremy
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What were the Chinese doing in their virus lab in Wuhan where the virus started?
They do basic research on viruses and other infectious agents the same way researchers in the US do. We have a high containment lab about 3/4 a mile down the road from me at the NIH Bethesda campus. Why does China have it under control and their economy is expanding while the rest of the world's economies are shrinking in recession?
First they have an authoritarian government that can enforce lockdowns. Second they are able to mobilize testing to an extent where several million people can be tested and if positive quarantined quickly. Note that South Korea and Taiwan while not authoritarian also manage the virus very well.
Do you think Xi cares about you or me?
I am sure he does not want to lose their biggest trading partner!!!!
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Classic Klein. Make an assertion for which you have no evidence (because there is no evidence) and flail around with subtle changes to the topic when challenged.
Jeremy
I don't trust or believe the Chinese Communist government. Additionally the evidence is not all in. Researchers have not figured out all the details or know the source for sure. Certainly they lied for six weeks about it. Do you approve of that? It seems your country is suffering greatly possibly because of these delays.
Why do you believe them? China swore the islands they were building up in the South China Sea were not for military purposes at all. While they were doing it and swearing they were for civilian use only, I didn't believe that either. Now they're armed to the teeth. Governments and people have finally woken up about Chinese duplicity. Everyone should wise up about it.
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I'm not being a "dick". I'm being responsible.
Disinformation is disinformation. Lies are lies.
Both are harmful to everyone, as we're seeing every day.
No you ARE being a dick. There is nothing responsible in your constant attacks on Alan. This is a forum of mostly old guys speaking their minds. Alan posts what he feels or thinks. You surely don't have to read it or respond. If you don't like someones opinion, just learn to live with it or you counter it with your own. You are not the "Ministry of Truth". Get over yourself. If someone like Alan posts a link and you don't like it, refute it.
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Alan, unless you are purposely trying to stir things up here I would like to point something out to you.
You stated in your Reply #2297: "It was created in a Chinese lab". To me, that sounds like you are stating a fact.
Here, it is, "I hope you're right" and "(I)f you are correct"...
Why would anyone believe what you say and take your discussion here respectfully and seriously?
But...nobody does.
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Maybe AOC could order the cutouts from Amazon.
Let me tell you a little story. I have this modest fish pond out back, and I noticed that some of my fish were going MIA. So I thought about it and concluded the fish were eating each other or something. Then I was sitting on the back porch one morning drinking my coffee, and low and behold this Great Blue Herron swooped down and began gobbling down my fish faster than people at the buffet at Golden Corral. So I read up on it and learned that if you put a fake Great Blue Herron next to your pond, the real Great Blue Herrons wouldn't come and eat your fish. My initial reaction was to think that Great Blue Herrons couldn't possible be that stupid, but then I remembered about how Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz was out in the field scaring the birds away, so I ordered a fake Great Blue Herron from Amazon and put it by my pond, and I haven't lost a fish since. I don't know if coyotes are as dumb as Great Blue Herrons, but we might give it a try. I mean Amazon is pretty good about returns if the fake Roadrunners don't work. Now you could probably pick the analogy apart, but my point is not every stupid idea is stupid. A lot of people dismiss out of hand ideas about stuff they know nothing about. I know I'm no expert on coyotes and Roadrunners, except to the extent I have seen some cartoons on TV. Is that enough to make a judgment about the idea? I mean if Trump thought up this idea you would probably say he is a genius whether it worked or not.
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Let me tell you a little story. I have this modest fish pond out back, and I noticed that some my fish were going MIA. So I thought about it and concluded the fish were eating each other or something. Then I was sitting on the back porch one morning drinking my coffee, and low and behold this Great Blue Herron swooped down and began gobbling down my fish faster than people at the buffet at Golden Corral. So I read up on it and learned that if you put a fake Great Blue Herron next to your pond, the real Great Blue Herrons wouldn't come and eat your fish. My initial reaction was to think that Great Blue Herrons couldn't possible be that stupid, but then I remember about how Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz was out in the field scaring the birds away, so I ordered a fake Blue Herron and put it by my pond, and I haven't lost fish since. I don't know if coyotes are as dumb as Great Blue Herrons, but we might give it a try. I mean Amazon is pretty good about returns if the fake Roadrunners don't work. Not every stupid idea is stupid. I mean a lot of people dismiss out of hand ideas they know nothing about.
Lets seriously hope that was meant as satire :)
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They do basic research on viruses and other infectious agents the same way researchers in the US do. We have a high containment lab about 3/4 a mile down the road from me at the NIH Bethesda campus. First they have an authoritarian government that can enforce lockdowns. Second they are able to mobilize testing to an extent where several million people can be tested and if positive quarantined quickly. Note that South Korea and Taiwan while not authoritarian also manage the virus very well. I am sure he does not want to lose their biggest trading partner!!!!
That's what I figured at first. They wouldn't want to hurt their customers. But it turns out that it didn't matter. Their economy will grow anyway by something like 5% while the worlds decreases in recession. They still are exporting as the world needs their stuff. Plus they have a huge population that can absorb new production as they domesticate sales which they said previously was in their plans.
So my thinking has shifted. Xi is pretty mad at Trump and the US in any case. Also, he wants China to be the biggest economy. I read the other day that because of Covid, they just did that, earlier than would have happened without Covid. America is bankrupting itself now printing money willy nilly. That will destroy the dollar and open China to become the world's reserve currency. They've been squirreling away gold for years to back it up.
Maybe it was just an accident that they're taking advantage of. But it's possible they planned it knowing they can control it in their own country while the rest of the free world's economies roil in confusion and setbacks trying to deal with it. If true and governments know this, they may be keeping it a secret as well to prevent a war with them. Stranger things have happened in history. Conquerors would catapult sick and infected dead people over the walls of towns they were attacking to weaken the populace by spreading disease. It's not a new concept.
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No you ARE being a dick. There is nothing responsible in your constant attacks on Alan. This is a forum of mostly old guys speaking their minds. Alan posts what he feels or thinks. You surely don't have to read it or respond. If you don't like someones opinion, just learn to live with it or you counter it with your own. You are not the "Ministry of Truth". Get over yourself. If someone like Alan posts a link and you don't like it, refute it.
Thanks. I might have to hire you as my consigliere. :)
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I don't trust or believe the Chinese Communist government. Additionally the evidence is not all in. Researchers have not figured out all the details or know the source for sure.
It is easy to make these accusations. About 25 years ago I was an advisor to the US State Department prior to the negotiations of the Third Review Conference on Biological Weapons and I had also been on the advisory board of the old Office of Technology Assessment that prepared some reports for the US Congress on weapons of mass destruction. The State Department discussions were quite interesting in that there was concern about what the Russians may or may not have been doing in their labs. The Chinese research infrastructure was not a concern at that time as they were still emerging from under the yoke of Mao. There was a lot of discussion about how to conduct challenge visits of facilities that might have the capability of doing biological weapons research. The problem is how you define this as most all of the pathogens of interest for BW purposes are naturally occurring and research into drug and vaccines is fully legitimate under the treaty. There was a pharmaceutical company who I will not name that had a manufacturing facility on the site of an old stock yard. Researchers from the company took soil samples from around the perimeter and found anthrax spores which is not surprising given the use of the land prior. Did this mean that the pharmaceutical company was engaged in nefarious BW research? No, it just meant that there was a finding for which there was an easy explanation.
Wuhan has a Biosafety Level 4 research facility and there are about 15 such facilities here in the US. this is the highest containment facility around and is very sophisticated in terms of containment. There are many more Level 3 facilities around. They have good containment but not the negative pressure and 'moon suits' that BL-4 labs have. Depending on the type of research being done with SARS-CoV-2, BL -2 might be sufficient. For those who are interested: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41684-020-0644-8 is a pretty good article on the topic.
Regardless of the political differences, I have admired the fine work being done by Chinese clinicians and researchers since the pandemic broke out. they are publishing many fine papers and doing good work in the vaccine area as well.
I do not believe that there is any kind of conspiracy here.
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Who needs scientific evidence? Besides, just because it is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it's not true. I deduced that from what Gene Hackman said in Enemy of the State: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you." I have surmised this is Alan's thought process.
You're attacking me not my ideas. What we need is a mute button. :)
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Thanks. I might have to hire you as my consigliere. :)
I'll be honest, you are entitled to your opinion and often I don't agree. That said the fact is that quite a few members here have made their feeling know about your posts. They KNOW who you are and what you post. Continuing to berate you offers nothing.
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Alan, unless you are purposely trying to stir things up here I would like to point something out to you.
You stated in your Reply #2297: "It was created in a Chinese lab". To me, that sounds like you are stating a fact.
Here, it is, "I hope you're right" and "(I)f you are correct"...
Why would anyone believe what you say and take your discussion here respectfully and seriously?
#2297 is not my post.
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That's what I figured at first. They wouldn't want to hurt their customers. But it turns out that it didn't matter. Their economy will grow anyway by something like 5% while the worlds decreases in recession. They still are exporting as the world needs their stuff. Plus they have a huge population that can absorb new production as they domesticate sales which they said previously was in their plans.
So my thinking has shifted. Xi is pretty mad at Trump and the US in any case. Also, he wants China to be the biggest economy. I read the other day that because of Covid, they just did that, earlier than would have happened without Covid. America is bankrupting itself now printing money willy nilly. That will destroy the dollar and open China to become the world's reserve currency. They've been squirreling away gold for years to back it up.
Maybe it was just an accident that they're taking advantage of. But it's possible they planned it knowing they can control it in their own country while the rest of the free world's economies roil in confusion and setbacks trying to deal with it. If true and governments know this, they may be keeping it a secret as well to prevent a war with them. Stranger things have happened in history. Conquerors would catapult sick and infected dead people over the walls of towns they were attacking to weaken the populace by spreading disease. It's not a new concept.
Anything is possible, I guess. I suppose the commie/lib press are probably engaged in an enormous media coverup about it right now, so I guess it's time to head on over to Infowars to find out what Alex Jones knows about it. Maybe the scientists in Wuhan were also engaged in sexually abusing underage Chinese girls and someone can track down the videos. Like I said, anything is possible.
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It is easy to make these accusations. About 25 years ago I was an advisor to the US State Department prior to the negotiations of the Third Review Conference on Biological Weapons and I had also been on the advisory board of the old Office of Technology Assessment that prepared some reports for the US Congress on weapons of mass destruction. The State Department discussions were quite interesting in that there was concern about what the Russians may or may not have been doing in their labs. The Chinese research infrastructure was not a concern at that time as they were still emerging from under the yoke of Mao. There was a lot of discussion about how to conduct challenge visits of facilities that might have the capability of doing biological weapons research. The problem is how you define this as most all of the pathogens of interest for BW purposes are naturally occurring and research into drug and vaccines is fully legitimate under the treaty. There was a pharmaceutical company who I will not name that had a manufacturing facility on the site of an old stock yard. Researchers from the company took soil samples from around the perimeter and found anthrax spores which is not surprising given the use of the land prior. Did this mean that the pharmaceutical company was engaged in nefarious BW research? No, it just meant that there was a finding for which there was an easy explanation.
Wuhan has a Biosafety Level 4 research facility and there are about 15 such facilities here in the US. this is the highest containment facility around and is very sophisticated in terms of containment. There are many more Level 3 facilities around. They have good containment but not the negative pressure and 'moon suits' that BL-4 labs have. Depending on the type of research being done with SARS-CoV-2, BL -2 might be sufficient. For those who are interested: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41684-020-0644-8 is a pretty good article on the topic.
Regardless of the political differences, I have admired the fine work being done by Chinese clinicians and researchers since the pandemic broke out. they are publishing many fine papers and doing good work in the vaccine area as well.
I do not believe that there is any kind of conspiracy here.
Well, it did appear at a minimum that they hid the true nature of what was going on for 6 weeks when others could have geared up to address the problem earlier. They shut down travel domestically out of Wuhan while allowing Chinese to travel from there to Europe, America and the rest of the world spreading the disease as the went. So they were certainly negligent in those ways. Even if it wasn't planned, if it did escape accidently by an infected lab worker, that too is negligence that caused a lot of dead and sick people throughout the world. So their hands are not clean on this. There are already lawsuits against China in the US filed by individuals, companies and states. I think the courts will agree with me and the people who think China was negligent at a minimum. Frankly, I hope it wasn't planned because what else do they have up their sleeve?
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Lets seriously hope that was meant as satire :)
More on the order of a fable. The thing is while I don't think I am a babbling idiot, I do know that there is a whole lot of stuff I don't know anything about, so I usually don't go with my initial reaction, unless it is an emergency or something. I think the phrase for that is jumping to conclusions. So I usually think about it for a little while and maybe do a little research. For me, it is a better approach.
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Additionally the evidence is not all in. Researchers have not figured out all the details or know the source for sure.
Then why do you state that you know the truth?
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Frankly, I hope it wasn't planned because what else do they have up their sleeve?
Who knows? You can probably think up a lot of stuff if you have the time and inclination. I enjoy reading John Le Carre novels, for example. He thinks up a lot of good stuff.
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No you ARE being a dick. There is nothing responsible in your constant attacks on Alan. This is a forum of mostly old guys speaking their minds. Alan posts what he feels or thinks. You surely don't have to read it or respond. If you don't like someones opinion, just learn to live with it or you counter it with your own. You are not the "Ministry of Truth". Get over yourself. If someone like Alan posts a link and you don't like it, refute it.
My "attacks on Alan" are attacks on lies and disinformation, not on Alan. Opinions are one thing, outright lies another.
The thread title is INFORMED debate. Informed debate is absent when lies and disinformation are present.
I make no attempt to be "The Ministry of Truth", that's your rhetorical invention. I do attempt to counter outright lies and disinformation when confronted with them.
A largely futile effort here, I suppose, but at least some of us make the attempt. Otherwise, much like COVID-19, they persist and spread, to the detriment of us all.
For further information on this topic, see "The Social Dilemma" on NetFlix, referenced in another thread.
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The thread title is INFORMED debate.
That ship sailed a long time ago, alas.
Jeremy
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That ship sailed a long time ago, alas.
Jeremy
Unfortunately, yes. It's well below the horizon now, except for flat-earthers.
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Let me tell you a little story. I have this modest fish pond out back, and I noticed that some of my fish were going MIA. So I thought about it and concluded the fish were eating each other or something. Then I was sitting on the back porch one morning drinking my coffee, and low and behold this Great Blue Herron swooped down and began gobbling down my fish faster than people at the buffet at Golden Corral. So I read up on it and learned that if you put a fake Great Blue Herron next to your pond, the real Great Blue Herrons wouldn't come and eat your fish. My initial reaction was to think that Great Blue Herrons couldn't possible be that stupid, but then I remembered about how Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz was out in the field scaring the birds away, so I ordered a fake Great Blue Herron from Amazon and put it by my pond, and I haven't lost a fish since. I don't know if coyotes are as dumb as Great Blue Herrons, but we might give it a try. I mean Amazon is pretty good about returns if the fake Roadrunners don't work. Now you could probably pick the analogy apart, but my point is not every stupid idea is stupid. A lot of people dismiss out of hand ideas about stuff they know nothing about. I know I'm no expert on coyotes and Roadrunners, except to the extent I have seen some cartoons on TV. Is that enough to make a judgment about the idea? I mean if Trump thought up this idea you would probably say he is a genius whether it worked or not.
Did you get any photos of the heron?
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Interesting move on Trump's part to instantly reclassify civil service employees to make them easier to fire, https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/24/opinions/trump-executive-order-reclassify-government-employees-schedule-f-garrett/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/24/opinions/trump-executive-order-reclassify-government-employees-schedule-f-garrett/index.html).
Keep taking apart the infrastructure, good plan. The middle class was torn apart in the last 40 years, another good plan. Well done, keep up the good work.
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Did you get any photos of the heron?
No. I don't have a long telephoto lens, and I was so excited there was no way I could have held the camera steady anyway. Maybe I ought to research long lenses and whatever those steadying devices are called. Any idea where?
My wife does this project where she keeps track of which kind and how many birds she sees in the backyard, and then submits her findings to this ornithology research group which does all manner of stuff with everybody's data. I kind of give her report the once over and noted that we get the same nine or thirteen birds every year, and the world has way more than enough pictures of them. So I just drink coffee when I'm on the back porch.
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My "attacks on Alan" are attacks on lies and disinformation, not on Alan. Opinions are one thing, outright lies another.
The thread title is INFORMED debate. Informed debate is absent when lies and disinformation are present.
I make no attempt to be "The Ministry of Truth", that's your rhetorical invention. I do attempt to counter outright lies and disinformation when confronted with them.
A largely futile effort here, I suppose, but at least some of us make the attempt. Otherwise, much like COVID-19, they persist and spread, to the detriment of us all.
For further information on this topic, see "The Social Dilemma" on NetFlix, referenced in another thread.
What utter self-righteous crap. Unless you know Alan is knowingly and intentionally mistating some “fact” you seem to think exists he is surely not lying and surely expressing his opinion. The same for “disinformation”. If you believe Alan is doing either, then prove it. Or are you lying and spreading disinformation? After all this exercise in personal expression has such a major impact on public opinion. /s. Right up there with CNN.
Here’s my informed opinion. Stuff a sock in it.
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No. I don't have a long telephoto lens, and I was so excited there was no way I could have held the camera steady anyway. Maybe I ought to research long lens and whatever those steadying devices are called. Any idea where?
My wife does this project where she keeps track of which and how many birds she sees in the backyard, and then submits her findings to this ornithology research group which does all manner of stuff with everybody's data. I kind of give her report the once over and note that we get the same nine or thirteen birds every year, and the world has way more than enough pictures of them. So I just drink coffee when I'm on the back porch.
They do those birds count studies all over the place. We always find out about them around here after they're over or we'd participate. We have a Cooper's Hawk that visits our back yards almost every spring and autumn, seems to be one of his stops. It occasionally takes out a grackle, seems to be its favourite food.
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They do those birds count studies all over the place. We always find out about them around here after they're over or we'd participate. We have a Cooper's Hawk that visits our back yards almost every spring and autumn, seems to be one of his stops. It occasionally takes out a grackle, seems to be its favourite food.
We have a couple of kinds of hawks around here but we see them when we are out walking. We did see a hawk sweep through our backyard and snatch a bird off our feeder once, That was pretty awesome.
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Then why do you state that you know the truth?
I didn't. You're mistaken, as usual. Re-read my posts. I gave my opinions and possible scenarios. Just like you.
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My "attacks on Alan" are attacks on lies and disinformation, not on Alan. Opinions are one thing, outright lies another.
The thread title is INFORMED debate. Informed debate is absent when lies and disinformation are present.
I make no attempt to be "The Ministry of Truth", that's your rhetorical invention. I do attempt to counter outright lies and disinformation when confronted with them.
A largely futile effort here, I suppose, but at least some of us make the attempt. Otherwise, much like COVID-19, they persist and spread, to the detriment of us all.
For further information on this topic, see "The Social Dilemma" on NetFlix, referenced in another thread.
Just like the left and Democrats you want to silence people up who you don't agree with. People like you want to do away with the 1st Amendment and decide what Truth is. It's scary.
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Just like the left and Democrats you want to silence people up who you don't agree with. People like you want to do away with the 1st Amendment and decide what Truth is. It's scary.
Like the way Trump tries to shut Fauci up, you mean.
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Like the way Trump tries to shut Fauci up, you mean.
Fauci speaks his mind.
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Like the way Trump tries to shut Fauci up, you mean.
Trump has pretty much given him the space to say what he says. But having said that, free speech doesn't include the right of employees to say what they want. Just like ball team managers can quash political speech on the ball field. Free speech is reserved to the public market. If you publicly bad mouth the company you work for, it's legal for the boss to fire you. There are some constraints. But the employer has a lot of power in this realm. The CDC's boss is the president. He may not be able to fire you due to Federal law. But he could send you to the Arctic Circle in Alaska during the winter to study virus among the Inuit people. :)
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What utter self-righteous crap...Here’s my informed opinion. Stuff a sock in it.
Oh, diddums. Now, he's all angry. "Triggered", I think the trumpies call it.
Truth hurts, eh?
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There was a really good interview with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein (on the left) in which he gave a compelling argument on why the virus most like came out of the lab. It was either with Dan Crenshaw or Joe Rogan (pretty sure it was with Crenshaw since I dont really listen to Rogan), but I cant find it. He gave four reasons, but I can only really remember 2 of them.
1. It is extremely difficult for the virus to spread outside, which does not make sense. Bats live outside and the virus would have evolved to spread outside. It could be that it "forgot" how to spread outside from being in the lab.
2. It spread very easily inside. This could have been an unintended consequence that the virus evolved from being in an interior space.
The other two reasons were pretty technical and related to looking at the RNA and make up of the virus, which he, of course, had a pretty extensive knowledge of. I cant remember exactly what they were, and cant find the interview right now. It's too late to fish for it.
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Oh, diddums. Now, he's all angry. "Triggered", I think the trumpies call it.
Truth hurts, eh?
Oh no, I’m not angry at all. When I’m angry you will know it.
Do you have a link to prove your claim? After all you stated it as a fact.
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Anyway, tomorrow is going to be a great day, an tremendous day, a bigly day! A day of billions and billions and billions and billions of smiles and, perhaps, frowns.
It is going to be a day that re-enforces my vote of 4 years ago.
Amy Coney Barrett will be confirmed to the Supreme Court.
And just think, if Harry Reid did not nix the 60 vote threshold for judicial appointments, this could have never have happens. Thanks Democrats!
Sleep tight everyone.
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There was a really good interview with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein (on the left) in which he gave a compelling argument on why the virus most like came out of the lab. It was either with Dan Crenshaw or Joe Rogan (pretty sure it was with Crenshaw since I dont really listen to Rogan), but I cant find it. He gave four reasons, but I can only really remember 2 of them.
1. It is extremely difficult for the virus to spread outside, which does not make sense. Bats live outside and the virus would have evolved to spread outside. It could be that it "forgot" how to spread outside from being in the lab.
2. It spread very easily inside. This could have been an unintended consequence that the virus evolved from being in an interior space.
The other two reasons were pretty technical and related to looking at the RNA and make up of the virus, which he, of course, had a pretty extensive knowledge of. I cant remember exactly what they were, and cant find the interview right now. It's too late to fish for it.
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Clearly Joe, without supporting documentation and rebuttals of those who disagree, your post is most likely lies and disinformation and should be removed so the forum can remain pure to the leftist ideal. How dare you.
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#2297 is not my post.
:-[ :-[ :D #2997!! (But you know what I meant!) Late-age dyslexia...!
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I didn't. You're mistaken, as usual. Re-read my posts. I gave my opinions and possible scenarios. Just like you.
In the Prologue of Bob Woodward's book "Rage" Matthew Pottinger (Deputy National Security Advisor) who knows China pretty well had a theory, that, of all the (negative China) theories regarding this matter makes a certain amount of sense to me. Quote:
“Pottinger had seen this movie before. He picked up the pace of his calls the weekend of January 24–26. “I came out of that weekend with my hair standing on end,” Pottinger said privately.
Several Chinese elites well connected with the Communist Party and government signaled that they thought China had a sinister goal: “China’s not going to be the only one to suffer from this.” If China was the only country to have mass infections on the scale of the 1918 pandemic, they would be at a massive economic disadvantage. It was a suspicion, but one held by the people who knew the regime best. A frightening possibility. Pottinger, a China hawk, was not ready to make a judgment on China’s intent one way or the other. Most likely the outbreak was accidental. But he was certain the United States was in for an unparalleled health onslaught. And China’s lack of transparency would only make it worse. With SARS the Chinese had egregiously concealed the outbreak of a dangerous new infectious disease for three months.”
Excerpt From: Bob Woodward. “Rage.” iBooks.
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I don't trust or believe the Chinese Communist government. Additionally the evidence is not all in. Researchers have not figured out all the details or know the source for sure.
That, Alan, typifies the difference in our approach to evidence. When it's lacking, I wait to reach conclusions. You, in contrast, make bold, factual assertions and wriggle like a worm on a hook when challenged. You've done it repeatedly. It's depressing.
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What utter self-righteous crap.
If you are incapable of expressing yourself in decent language, Craig, be silent or be gone.
Jeremy
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Here is one for Craig Lamson and I don't think it is fake news. Remember all the noise about the closure of a Indiana Carrier plant and the moving of jobs to Mexico? President Trump jawboned into this one and claimed he was saving lots of good jobs. The facts present a different picture according to thisNew York Times story. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/26/trump-carrier-manufacturing-jobs/)
"This year alone, Indiana employers have sent more jobs to Mexico, China, India and other foreign countries than were saved at Carrier. Without headlines or presidential notice, at least 17 companies -- names like Vibracoustic, Molnlycke Health Care, Allura, Altex, Stanley Black & Decker, Dometic, Johnson Controls and Horizon Terra -- have closed plants or otherwise reduced employment in Indiana and moved jobs abroad, according to U.S. Department of Labor filings."
What an inconvenient fact for the President who is saving high paying jobs.
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There was a really good interview with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein (on the left) in which he gave a compelling argument on why the virus most like came out of the lab. It was either with Dan Crenshaw or Joe Rogan (pretty sure it was with Crenshaw since I dont really listen to Rogan), but I cant find it. He gave four reasons, but I can only really remember 2 of them.
1. It is extremely difficult for the virus to spread outside, which does not make sense. Bats live outside and the virus would have evolved to spread outside. It could be that it "forgot" how to spread outside from being in the lab.
2. It spread very easily inside. This could have been an unintended consequence that the virus evolved from being in an interior space.
The other two reasons were pretty technical and related to looking at the RNA and make up of the virus, which he, of course, had a pretty extensive knowledge of. I cant remember exactly what they were, and cant find the interview right now. It's too late to fish for it.
Unless you have a citation to this and not just someone mouthing off on a podcast, both of these points are not credulous. Weintstein from what I read on Wikipedia is not a virologist. He no longer has an academic appointment in a science department.
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Unless you have a citation to this and not just someone mouthing off on a podcast, both of these points are not credulous. Weintstein from what I read on Wikipedia is not a virologist. He no longer has an academic appointment in a science department.
Ahhh that no long has "an academic appointment in a science department" is such a disqualifying observation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention; I will from now on only pay attention to the academic elite science departments.
I should have known better then to trust a loser, aka someone not working at a university.
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Ahhh that no long has "an academic appointment in a science department" is such a disqualifying observation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention; I will from now on only pay attention to the academic elite science departments.
I should have known better then to trust a loser, aka someone not working at a university.
A degree does not automatically make one an expert in the same way simple ownership of a camera doesn't make one a professional photographer. A PhD in evolutionary biology does not automatically make one a virology expert. There is an awful lot of scientific evidence that points to SARS-CoV-2 as being a naturally occurring virus in the same way that SARS-CoV-1 and MERS were. While you may find the lab origin story of SARS-CoV-2 appealing the preponderance of scientific evidence argues otherwise.
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A degree does not automatically make one an expert in the same way simple ownership of a camera doesn't make one a professional photographer. A PhD in evolutionary biology does not automatically make one a virology expert. There is an awful lot of scientific evidence that points to SARS-CoV-2 as being a naturally occurring virus in the same way that SARS-CoV-1 and MERS were. While you may find the lab origin story of SARS-CoV-2 appealing the preponderance of scientific evidence argues otherwise.
Listen, dont get upset, I was agreeing with you enlightened one. Thanks for showing me the way to nirvana.
It was foolish of me to question the preponderance of highly trustworthy scientific evidence coming from an oppressive communist regime that for a few months tried to suppress the story and have yet to allow any foreign scientists in to investigate. I am sure, just like you imply, that all the scientific evidence coming out of China is reliable.
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If you are incapable of expressing yourself in decent language, Craig, be silent or be gone.
Jeremy
So what word does not qualify as decent?
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Here is one for Craig Lamson and I don't think it is fake news. Remember all the noise about the closure of a Indiana Carrier plant and the moving of jobs to Mexico? President Trump jawboned into this one and claimed he was saving lots of good jobs. The facts present a different picture according to thisNew York Times story. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/26/trump-carrier-manufacturing-jobs/)
"This year alone, Indiana employers have sent more jobs to Mexico, China, India and other foreign countries than were saved at Carrier. Without headlines or presidential notice, at least 17 companies -- names like Vibracoustic, Molnlycke Health Care, Allura, Altex, Stanley Black & Decker, Dometic, Johnson Controls and Horizon Terra -- have closed plants or otherwise reduced employment in Indiana and moved jobs abroad, according to U.S. Department of Labor filings."
What an inconvenient fact for the President who is saving high paying jobs.
Its not inconvenient at all. It how the world works.
He did what he could do with Carrier, and I'll add thats just my opinion just the keep the forum censors happy. As for the rest, he does not own the companies and he can't make laws to keep them here without Congress. At least he makes some noise about the issue. Obama told us this was the new normal. BTW, Indiana currently has an unemployment rate of 6.2 with puts 19th in the US.
What to you suppose Joe Biden will do?
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Anyway, tomorrow is going to be a great day, an tremendous day, a bigly day! A day of billions and billions and billions and billions of smiles and, perhaps, frowns.
It is going to be a day that re-enforces my vote of 4 years ago.
Amy Coney Barrett will be confirmed to the Supreme Court.
And just think, if Harry Reid did not nix the 60 vote threshold for judicial appointments, this could have never have happens. Thanks Democrats!
Sleep tight everyone.
A Supreme Court Justice is supposed to follow the Constitution. I don't see what the big deal is.
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I don't watch 60 Minutes, or haven't in years, but this story is pretty bizarre, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-health-care-book-60-minutes_n_5f9649d4c5b69b2ad5ac1cd3 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-health-care-book-60-minutes_n_5f9649d4c5b69b2ad5ac1cd3). I mean, who does stuff like this? He scolds the interviewer for asking tough questions! And why bring the book at all, do they think that people will be impressed by thick books?
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I don't watch 60 Minutes, or haven't in years, but this story is pretty bizarre, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-health-care-book-60-minutes_n_5f9649d4c5b69b2ad5ac1cd3 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-health-care-book-60-minutes_n_5f9649d4c5b69b2ad5ac1cd3). I mean, who does stuff like this? He scolds the interviewer for asking tough questions! And why bring the book at all, do they think that people will be impressed by thick books?
Here, watch the entire interview without the CBS edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NUl7qoedtw
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A Supreme Court Justice is supposed to follow the Constitution. I don't see what the big deal is.
Well you and I know this, but for Dems, the court is a way to get legislation through by people who are not accountable to anyone. So I celebrate at the fact we will ne increasing our conservative majority, making it harder for the SCOTUS to legislate from the bench.
Take for instance Roe vs Wade. Although I am pro-choice, the first two trimesters at least, I do not think the court should have made the ruling. If the Dems wanted it so bad, they should have expended a little political capital and passed a law.
Even now, everyone agrees the argument for Roe is pretty weak and likely to get overturned eventually. The Dems have known this for 60+ years and they have not lifted a finger to get it into law. The landmark civil rights rulings in the 1950s did not stop congress from passing the Civil Rights Bill, and it should not be any different here.
Decisions like this should be discussed and voted upon by the people and their representatives, not dictated to us from those who are not accountable.
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Here, watch the entire intervive without the CBS edit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NUl7qoedtw
It makes President Trump look even worse! This was really a dumb decision by the White House.
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Its not inconvenient at all. It how the world works.
He did what he could do with Carrier, and I'll add thats just my opinion just the keep the forum censors happy. As for the rest, he does not own the companies and he can't make laws to keep them here without Congress. At least he makes some noise about the issue. Obama told us this was the new normal. BTW, Indiana currently has an unemployment rate of 6.2 with puts 19th in the US.
What to you suppose Joe Biden will do?
I doubt he would lie to the American public.
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A Supreme Court Justice is supposed to follow the Constitution. I don't see what the big deal is.
I agree. The thing I can't understand is why there is about 1200 shelf feet of reported cases where the Supreme Court judges disagree with each other about what the Constitution means. And to top it off, sometimes they overturn precedent, and vote another way. It almost makes you think they are a bunch of idiots who can't make up their minds. I mean all you have to do is read it and the answer is obvious. Any dolt can do it.
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It was foolish of me to question the preponderance of highly trustworthy scientific evidence coming from an oppressive communist regime that for a few months tried to suppress the story and have yet to allow any foreign scientists in to investigate. I am sure, just like you imply, that all the scientific evidence coming out of China is reliable.
The evidence is coming from genetic researchers from all over the world. You can continue to believe in conspiracy theories that are voiced on alternative media outlets as it is a free country. You can chose to follow where the science leads us or not as that is your right as well. You can even choose not to believe in evolution.
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The evidence is coming from genetic researchers from all over the world. You can continue to believe in conspiracy theories that are voiced on alternative media outlets as it is a free country. You can chose to follow where the science leads us or not as that is your right as well. You can even choose not to believe in evolution.
Alan, you're either deliberately or cluelessly leaving out that everyone agrees this virus developed naturally. The question is, was it being studied in that lab and then, due to incompetence, escape?
If this is the case, all the research in the world does not mean a damn since, regardless, it would still look like a naturally formed virus. The only research that matters is what can be found on the ground, and the Chinese government is not letting anyone in. That is just a little too suspicious for me and anyone else with common sense.
I also find it to be a little peculiar that (1) this lab, which publicized that they were studying many different corona viruses from bats, was located so close to ground zero and (2) the market this supposedly came from does not sell bat.
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Decisions like this should be discussed and voted upon by the people and their representatives, not dictated to us from those who are not accountable.
There can be lots wrong with an activist court, I guess, but people keep bringing cases to them so there must be a reason it continues to happen.
The slow and methodical progression of turning corporations into "persons", except with lots fewer responsibilities but lots of the advantages, has been going on for 100 years and more. It led to that "citizens united" thing (I think that was the name). Controlling what corporations can and can't do seems like a natural thing for lawmakers to pay attention to but I guess it was handier to let lawyers battle it out amongst themselves at the Supreme Court.
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There can be lots wrong with an activist court, I guess, but people keep bringing cases to them so there must be a reason it continues to happen.
The slow and methodical progression of turning corporations into "persons", except with lots fewer responsibilities but lots of the advantages, has been going on for 100 years and more. It led to that "citizens united" thing (I think that was the name). Controlling what corporations can and can't do seems like a natural thing for lawmakers to pay attention to but I guess it was handier to let lawyers battle it out amongst themselves at the Supreme Court.
The 2002 congress made a law that violated the first amendment. The SCOTUS did its job, interpreted the constitution and struck it down.
I might add that this disproportionately benefited Democrats if you look at "dark money" contributions they get the majority of. Even so, I do agree with the ruling.
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It makes President Trump look even worse! This was really a dumb decision by the White House.
Is that your opinion Alan?
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I doubt he would lie to the American public.
Biden would never lie to the American people? Surely you jest. Now did he make these wrong claims willfully or is he just stupid?
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden
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:-[ :-[ :D #2997!! (But you know what I meant!) Late-age dyslexia...!
It took me ten minutes to find it the first time. I'm not looking again. You only get one chance. :)
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He did what he could do with Carrier, and I'll add thats just my opinion just the keep the forum censors happy. As for the rest, he does not own the companies and he can't make laws to keep them here without Congress. At least he makes some noise about the issue. Obama told us this was the new normal. BTW, Indiana currently has an unemployment rate of 6.2 with puts 19th in the US.
That kind or reminds of what happened around the kitchen table when I was growing up. I'll change the details around to save myself from self-incrimination. It is a constitutional right you know. Anyway here goes:
Dad: Well, tell me how you did today on that math test you were studying for last night?
Son: Terrific, I aced it. Got all the answers right. It was the highest grade in the class.
Dad: Gee son, I am really proud of you. Good work. You are really becoming a responsible young man.
Mom: Son, I was cleaning out your backpack and found this. You got a C- on your math test.
Son: Well, I did the best job I could. At least I tried. Besides, Billy flunked it.
Dad: Do you remember when you were young I told you the story about the little boy who cried wolf?
Son: Sure, you told me that story a couple of times.
Dad: Do you remember the moral of that story?
Son: Everybody lies so get over it?
Well, I won't bore you with the rest of dialog, but rarely was that the end of the conversation. Sometimes there were even consequences.
So after I went through that little scene more times than I would care to admit, certainly more times than was necessary for any rational human being, I figured out the best thing to do is just come clean, work harder, and try to make improvement. My parents noticed this. So much later, when I was 16, and had had my drivers license for a couple of weeks, and drove over to the camera store to get some film, and some lady backed into me in the parking lot and damaged the car, and when I went home and told my dad what happened and said wasn't my fault, he believed me, because it was the truth, and he knew he could trust me.
Maybe some people will say the reason why I take offense at Trump lying day in and day out, even about stuff that doesn't really matter, is that my parents traumatized me as a child. My therapist doesn't think so, but anything is possible.
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That, Alan, typifies the difference in our approach to evidence. When it's lacking, I wait to reach conclusions. You, in contrast, make bold, factual assertions and wriggle like a worm on a hook when challenged. You've done it repeatedly. It's depressing.
Jeremy
Well, the western nations tried to appease Hitler too. They trusted him as well. Peace in our time.
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Here is one for Craig Lamson and I don't think it is fake news. Remember all the noise about the closure of a Indiana Carrier plant and the moving of jobs to Mexico? President Trump jawboned into this one and claimed he was saving lots of good jobs. The facts present a different picture according to thisNew York Times story. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/26/trump-carrier-manufacturing-jobs/)
"This year alone, Indiana employers have sent more jobs to Mexico, China, India and other foreign countries than were saved at Carrier. Without headlines or presidential notice, at least 17 companies -- names like Vibracoustic, Molnlycke Health Care, Allura, Altex, Stanley Black & Decker, Dometic, Johnson Controls and Horizon Terra -- have closed plants or otherwise reduced employment in Indiana and moved jobs abroad, according to U.S. Department of Labor filings."
What an inconvenient fact for the President who is saving high paying jobs.
At least Trump is trying. He can't reverse decades of American leadership stupidity in four years. Biden wants to eliminate jobs in the oil industry, around 6 million. He want to add more regulations that will make us even less competitive pushing jobs to Mexico and elsewhere. He wants to get rid of tariffs on Chinese goods so they can take more of our jobs. How is Biden going to help? He'll make it worse. What would you recommend?
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Well, the western nations tried to appease Hitler too. They trusted him as well. Peace in our time.
Alan, I agree with your comparison, but you are treading on a dangerous territory. I got scolded for comparing Alan Dershowitz to the lowly Reich minister of propaganda.
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That kind or reminds of what happened around the kitchen table when I was growing up. I'll change the details around to save myself from self-incrimination. It is a constitutional right you know. Anyway here goes:
Dad: Well, tell me how you did today on that math test you were studying for last night?
Son: Terrific, I aced it. Got all the answers right. It was the highest grade in the class.
Dad: Gee son, I am really proud of you. Good work. You are really becoming a responsible young man.
Mom: Son, I was cleaning out your backpack and found this. You got a C- on your math test.
Son: Well, I did the best job I could. At least I tried.
Dad: Do you remember when you were young I told you about the little boy who cried wolf?
Son: Sure, you told me that story a couple of times.
Dad: Do you remember the moral of that story?
Son: Everybody lies so get over it? Besides, Billy flunked it.
Well, I won't bore you with the rest of dialog, but rarely was that the end of the conversation. Sometimes there were even consequences.
Why would it remind you of that? Trump said he was going to save jobs from going overseas, and he has. The best I can remember he never said he was going to save all of them. And he hasn't. No one can, unless Congress makes some law making it illegal and even then I don't think that would pass muster with the SCOTUS.
Again I'll ask what does Biden says he will do? We know he wantes to eliminate a whole bunch of oil jobs, as he "transitions" away from oil. He makes some vague promises about millions of good paying green jobs but how well did they do with that during Obama? Solyndra?
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The evidence is coming from genetic researchers from all over the world. You can continue to believe in conspiracy theories that are voiced on alternative media outlets as it is a free country. You can chose to follow where the science leads us or not as that is your right as well. You can even choose not to believe in evolution.
Bringing evolution into it is just a cheap shot. Even if China isn't guilty of deliberately spreading it, they are still culpable of criminal negligence. They knew what was going on and allowed travel to the rest of the world while stopping travel in their own country. They delayed for six weeks about advising the world of the true nature of the virus. They tried to hide it and deceive the world. Why defend them?
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There can be lots wrong with an activist court, I guess, but people keep bringing cases to them so there must be a reason it continues to happen.
The slow and methodical progression of turning corporations into "persons", except with lots fewer responsibilities but lots of the advantages, has been going on for 100 years and more. It led to that "citizens united" thing (I think that was the name). Controlling what corporations can and can't do seems like a natural thing for lawmakers to pay attention to but I guess it was handier to let lawyers battle it out amongst themselves at the Supreme Court.
You haven't heard a negative word from Democrats about the Supreme COurt Citizens United decision any more. That's because corporations are giving them more money than Republicans. They're a bunch of phonies.
Also, Citizens United did not only address corporations. It also addressed unions. After all neither corporations nor unions are people. They represent people. In the case of corporations, they represent employees and stockholders, who are persons. If a corporation spends money for legislation to help it, it helps its employees and stockholders, who are persons. The employee's job is protected. Likewise, when a union gives money politically, it protects the interests of the workers, who are persons too. What's good for unions is good for corporations. It was the right decision. IF it went the other way, the court would have taken away the guaranteed constitutional right of employees, stockholders and union workers to petition the government about their grievances.
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Why would it remind you of that? Trump said he was going to save jobs from going overseas, and he has. The best I can remember he never said he was going to save all of them. And he hasn't. No one can, unless Congress makes some law making it illegal and even then I don't think that would pass muster with the SCOTUS.
If that were all he said, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But he said much more than that on several occasions that wasn't true.
Again I'll ask what does Biden says he will do? We know he wantes to eliminate a whole bunch of oil jobs, as he "transitions" away from oil. He makes some vague promises about millions of good paying green jobs but how well did they do with that during Obama? Solyndra?
Well, that just sounds like a variation on the old "Billy flunked it" excuse. I didn't learn it was the logical fallacy of whataboutism until later.
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If that was all he she aid, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But he said much much more than that on several occasions that wasn't true.
Well, that just sounds like a variation on the old Billy flunked it excuse.
Like what?
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Alan, I agree with your comparison, but you are treading on a dangerous territory. I got scolded for comparing Alan Dershowitz to the lowly Reich minister of propaganda.
I wasn't directing this to anyone in particular. If it came out that way, then I apologize. My point is we (the Royal we) have to start getting tough with China before it's too late. They've taken the South China Sea militarizing those islands and stealing property belonging to their neighbors PI, Vietnam, etc, they threaten Taiwan, they broke their agreement with Great Britain regarding Hong Kong. They lied about Covid and steal the world's intellectual property and patents. If we treat them like we did Germany before the war, it only invites war. Nature abhors a vacuum.
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If that were all he said, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But he said much more than that on several occasions that wasn't true.
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That sounds like an opinion. Do you have proof?
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Like what?
Well, I could go out and collect all the quotes and lay it out for you chapter and verse, but you would just rationalize it, and I don't feel like making the effort. You go on believing that Trump tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth every time he opens his mouth if it makes you feel better. I know you know it is not true. You just won't admit it.
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Biden wants to eliminate jobs in the oil industry, around 6 million.
Alan meant to say 1.1 million, the actual figure. Anyway it's irrelevant--what society would continue producing and using something that is harmful to the entire world just to save some jobs?
https://www.usenergyjobs.org/2019-report
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Well, I could go out and collect all the quotes and lay it out for you chapter and verse, but you would just rationalize it, and I don't feel like making the effort. You go on believing that Trump tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth every time he opens his mouth if it makes you feel better. I know you know it is not true. You just won't admit it.
Yes he lies, embellishes, and sells, like a salesman. But on his core policies, he's kept faith with most of them and hasn't deceived his supporters. Biden on the other hand has changed every belief he's ever had and lied about his record just to get elected. Who knows where he stands, on anything. So that's the choice. My ballot, which I've already mailed in, did not have a box labelled Not Trump.
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Well, I could go out and collect all the quotes and lay it out for you chapter and verse, but you would just rationalize it, and I don't feel like making the effort. You go on believing that Trump tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth every time he opens his mouth if it makes you feel better. I know you know it is not true. You just won't admit it.
Come on man! How many times do we need to go over this? Forever I guess. I've never said Trump only tells the truth, and he doesn't. He's a saleman, and he talks like one. I'm good with that, because its who he is and has always been. Its what he does that matters and like it or not he has done a lot of good.
You don't like him, thats fine by me. Vote your preference and if your side wins, good for you. I won't protest or scream or burn down any cities. I'll just go on living my life the best I can.
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Alan meant to say 1.1 million, the actual figure. Anyway it's irrelevant--what society would continue producing and using something that is harmful to the entire world just to save some jobs?
https://www.usenergyjobs.org/2019-report
1.1 million? Really? Your report says thats all the workers jobs that will be eliminated if we quit using oil,coal or gas?
Because it makes the world go round. You think you can replace it?
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Alan meant to say 1.1 million, the actual figure. Anyway it's irrelevant--what society would continue producing and using something that is harmful to the entire world just to save some jobs?
https://www.usenergyjobs.org/2019-report
You can say the same thing about the solar and wind industry. What is the average size of a one GW solar or wind farm? About 2000 acres.
The average size of a one GW coal, oil, gas, nuclear power plant? About 3 acres. That's a lot of land destroyed unnecessarily for wind and solar power, which is severely energy dilute and intermittent by the way.
And oh yeah, let's not forget about endangered species.
Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought (http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html)
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Alan meant to say 1.1 million, the actual figure. Anyway it's irrelevant--what society would continue producing and using something that is harmful to the entire world just to save some jobs?
https://www.usenergyjobs.org/2019-report
First I said 6 million because that's what I heard. But I appreciate you doing the research to pin down the numbers. Actually, in reading the report you linked to, there's somewhere between 1.1 and 6 million if you consider related jobs. Bottom line is it affects a lot of people who would be out of work.
In any case, if you shut down oil, how would people heat their homes and run their cars? How would trucks deliver food to the supermarket? How would ships deliver food and other international trade to countries and people? How would poor people in third world nations get electricity since oil and other fossil fuels are the cheapest way to do produce it. They would have to revert to the stone age, as we would too. We would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces.
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Again I'll ask what does Biden says he will do? We know he wantes to eliminate a whole bunch of oil jobs, as he "transitions" away from oil. He makes some vague promises about millions of good paying green jobs but how well did they do with that during Obama? Solyndra?
Biden is looking forward, not backward. Biden "wantes" to eliminate "a whole bunch of oil jobs" because in the near future, they're toast.
Fossil fuels are declining in use for good reason. In addition to generating a significant number of brand new jobs, renewables are cleaner and cheaper.
Forbes, that bastion of capitalism, reports:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/feliciajackson/2020/04/09/renewable-energy-outstrips-fossil-fuel/#5750b04e508a
The right loves to point to Solyndra, singular, decade-old story of a technology that failed for multiple reasons unrelated to it's Obama Administration support. Total cost to the taxpayer of the experiment was less than half a billion dollars. A drop in the bucket compared to other, more recent ineptly invoked economic debacles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
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I also find it to be a little peculiar that (1) this lab, which publicized that they were studying many different corona viruses from bats, was located so close to ground zero and (2) the market this supposedly came from does not sell bat.
I guess that if the research facility was located close to the bats so they could study bat viruses, then it sort of kind of seems plausible that they would be close to the bat viruses too. So just sort of kind of thinking about it for a second, it doesn't really seem all that peculiar that they found this new coronavirus near this research facility. I mean it is kind of sort of why they were there in the first place.
The thing about the market not selling bat, I heard this wild ass theory that maybe the bat bit an animal that is sold in the market, and some guy bought it, handled it and/or ate it and got infected, and we were off to the races. We don't really know for sure, at least not yet. Maybe we will never know. So some people will believe that the whole coronavirus pandemic occurred naturally, and some people will believe that the Chinese developed and deployed the coronavirus as a biological weapon to destroy all of the economies of the world, except theirs, so they could be masters of the universe.
I don't know for sure, but I am kind of sort of leaning towards the natural occurrence theory, probably because I am just naïve, but I am not going to try to convince the conspiracy theorists they are wrong, both because I am not smart enough about virology and epidemiology and bats in general to argue very persuasively, and because the conspiracy theorists wouldn't believe me even if I did. Have you ever tried to talk a conspiracy theorist out of a conspiracy theory?
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Biden is looking forward, not backward. Biden "wantes" to eliminate "a whole bunch of oil jobs" because in the near future, they're toast.
Fossil fuels are declining in use for good reason. In addition to generating a significant number of brand new jobs, renewables are cleaner and cheaper.
Forbes, that bastion of capitalism, reports:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/feliciajackson/2020/04/09/renewable-energy-outstrips-fossil-fuel/#5750b04e508a
The right loves to point to Solyndra, singular, decade-old story of a technology that failed for multiple reasons unrelated to it's Obama Administration support. Total cost to the taxpayer of the experiment was less than half a billion dollars. A drop in the bucket compared to other, more recent ineptly invoked economic debacles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
Free markets should determine those things, not the government. If electric cars develop more, than there will be a natural move away from gasoline. That's fine. Jobs and industry will transition naturally. But government should not pick winners and losers. It distorts the economy and misallocates capital. At one time, government gave oil companies the oil depletion allowance that made the oil companies billions in saved taxes. Another fiasco and waste of resources as is forcing gasoline to contain 10% ethanol from corn raising the price of food. Things like this just wastes money.
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I guess that if the research facility was located close to the bats so they could study bat viruses, then it sort of kind of seems plausible that they would be close to the bat viruses too. So just sort of kind of thinking about it for a second, it doesn't really seem all that peculiar that they found this new coronavirus near this research facility. I mean it is kind of sort of why they were there in the first place.
The thing about the market not selling bat, I heard this wild ass theory that maybe the bat bit an animal that is sold in the market, and some guy bought it, handled it and/or ate it and got infected, and we were off to the races. We don't really know for sure, at least not yet. Maybe we will never know. So some people will believe that the whole coronavirus pandemic occurred naturally, and some people will believe that the Chinese developed and deployed the coronavirus as a biological weapon to destroy all of the economies of the world, except theirs, so they could be masters of the universe.
I don't know for sure, but I am kind of sort of leaning towards the natural occurrence theory, probably just because I am just naïve, but I am not going to try to convince the conspiracy theorists they are wrong, both because I am not smart enough about virology and epidemiology and bats in general to argue very persuasively, and the conspiracy theorists wouldn't believe me even if I did. Have you ever tried to talk a conspiracy theorist out of his conspiracy theory? That is usual just an exercise in banging your head against the wall, and for exercise I prefer to take my dogs for a walk in the woods.
Their lying about it for 6 weeks and allowing infected people to travel outside of China are not conspiracy theories. They're facts. What do you think about them? Should we hold them responsible?
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Biden is looking forward, not backward. Biden "wantes" to eliminate "a whole bunch of oil jobs" because in the near future, they're toast.
Fossil fuels are declining in use for good reason. In addition to generating a significant number of brand new jobs, renewables are cleaner and cheaper.
Forbes, that bastion of capitalism, reports:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/feliciajackson/2020/04/09/renewable-energy-outstrips-fossil-fuel/#5750b04e508a
The right loves to point to Solyndra, singular, decade-old story of a technology that failed for multiple reasons unrelated to it's Obama Administration support. Total cost to the taxpayer of the experiment was less than half a billion dollars. A drop in the bucket compared to other, more recent ineptly invoked economic debacles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra
I'll tell you what, when just California can make enough electricity to power their homes, factories and all electric cars in its state with renewables, get back to me. Until then it a pipe dream.
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Come on man! How many times do we need to go over this? Forever I guess. I've never said Trump only tells the truth, and he doesn't. I'll just go on living my life the best I can.
That seems like a good idea. I think I'll do the same. Except that if Trump wins, I will probably cancel my cable TV. But I think I have already told you that.
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Another fiasco and waste of resources as is forcing gasoline to contain 10% ethanol from corn raising the price of food.
The other thing is I learned the hard way that if your gas contains ethanol, you'll wear yourself out trying to start your chain saw, and it is actually less effort to cut down the tree with a regular saw. Then this friend of mine told me about this place where the tree trimmer guys go to get gas that is all gas. I like using my chain saw now.
It's also cheaper because you no longer slam your chain saw down on a rock and have to go out and buy a new chain saw that you can't start either. Do that a couple of times and it is cheaper just to hire the tree trimmer guys to do it, and you can sit on the back porch sipping lemonade, and telling your wife how you would have gladly done it yourself, but it would have been more expensive.
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You can say the same thing about the solar and wind industry. What is the average size of a one GW solar or wind farm? About 2000 acres.
The average size of a one GW coal, oil, gas, nuclear power plant? About 3 acres. That's a lot of land destroyed unnecessarily for wind and solar power, which is severely energy dilute and intermittent by the way.
This is an invalid argument in many respects. Wind farms can co-exist with crops on farmland. The actual land use is limited to the tower base and an occasional access road. Your land use estimate of fossil fuel plants ignores the vast area devoted to mining and transporting the fuels. It also ignores the cost and land use devoted to "storing" (not removing) the toxic ash produced by burning coal.
Solar installations are frequently sited on rooftops, close to the consumers, or in deserts, where sunlight is abundant and other uses are absent. Granted, some snakes and lizards may find the solar panels visually disturbing.
And oh yeah, let's not forget about endangered species.
Windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought (http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html)
One old, poorly produced, unattributed website does not constitute proof that wind farms are decimating bird populations.
Fossil fuel plants kill about ten times as many birds as wind farms.
Wikipedia:
Environmental impact of wind power includes effect on wildlife, but can be mitigated if proper monitoring and mitigation strategies are implemented.[85] Thousands of birds, including rare species, have been killed by the blades of wind turbines,[86] though wind turbines contribute relatively insignificantly to anthropogenic avian mortality. Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible for between 0.3 and 0.4 bird deaths per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh. In 2009, for every bird killed by a wind turbine in the US, nearly 500,000 were killed by cats and another 500,000 by buildings.[87] In comparison, conventional coal fired generators contribute significantly more to bird mortality, by incineration when caught in updrafts of smoke stacks and by poisoning with emissions byproducts (including particulates and heavy metals downwind of flue gases). Further, marine life is affected by water intakes of steam turbine cooling towers (heat exchangers) for nuclear and fossil fuel generators, by coal dust deposits in marine ecosystems (e.g. damaging Australia's Great Barrier Reef) and by water acidification from combustion monoxides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine#Disadvantages
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Their lying about it for 6 weeks and allowing infected people to travel outside of China are not conspiracy theories. They're facts. What do you think about them? Should we hold them responsible?
I think I mentioned earlier that I think Trump would have farted around until mid-March even if he had know about it six weeks earlier.
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I guess that if the research facility was located close to the bats so they could study bat viruses, then it sort of kind of seems plausible that they would be close to the bat viruses too. So just sort of kind of thinking about it for a second, it doesn't really seem all that peculiar that they found this new coronavirus near this research facility. I mean it is kind of sort of why they were there in the first place.
The thing about the market not selling bat, I heard this wild ass theory that maybe the bat bit an animal that is sold in the market, and some guy bought it, handled it and/or ate it and got infected, and we were off to the races. We don't really know for sure, at least not yet. Maybe we will never know. So some people will believe that the whole coronavirus pandemic occurred naturally, and some people will believe that the Chinese developed and deployed the coronavirus as a biological weapon to destroy all of the economies of the world, except theirs, so they could be masters of the universe.
I don't know for sure, but I am kind of sort of leaning towards the natural occurrence theory, probably because I am just naïve, but I am not going to try to convince the conspiracy theorists they are wrong, both because I am not smart enough about virology and epidemiology and bats in general to argue very persuasively, and because the conspiracy theorists wouldn't believe me even if I did. Have you ever tried to talk a conspiracy theorist out of a conspiracy theory?
The facility are not close to bats though, it is location over a 100 miles away from bat habitats.
Once again, you failed to explain this away.
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This is an invalid argument in many respects. Wind farms can co-exist with crops on farmland. The actual land use is limited to the tower base and an occasional access road. Your land use estimate of fossil fuel plants ignores the vast area devoted to mining and transporting the fuels. It also ignores the cost and land use devoted to "storing" (not removing) the toxic ash produced by burning coal.
Solar installations are frequently sited on rooftops, close to the consumers, or in deserts, where sunlight is abundant and other uses are absent. Granted, some snakes and lizards may find the solar panels visually disturbing.
One old, poorly produced, unattributed website does not constitute proof that wind farms are decimating bird populations.
Fossil fuel plants kill about ten times as many birds as wind farms.
Wikipedia:
Environmental impact of wind power includes effect on wildlife, but can be mitigated if proper monitoring and mitigation strategies are implemented.[85] Thousands of birds, including rare species, have been killed by the blades of wind turbines,[86] though wind turbines contribute relatively insignificantly to anthropogenic avian mortality. Wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible for between 0.3 and 0.4 bird deaths per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh. In 2009, for every bird killed by a wind turbine in the US, nearly 500,000 were killed by cats and another 500,000 by buildings.[87] In comparison, conventional coal fired generators contribute significantly more to bird mortality, by incineration when caught in updrafts of smoke stacks and by poisoning with emissions byproducts (including particulates and heavy metals downwind of flue gases). Further, marine life is affected by water intakes of steam turbine cooling towers (heat exchangers) for nuclear and fossil fuel generators, by coal dust deposits in marine ecosystems (e.g. damaging Australia's Great Barrier Reef) and by water acidification from combustion monoxides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine#Disadvantages
All things that are issues with solar and wind, unless of course the materials just pop out of thin air when needed and disappear when at the end of their life, instead of, you know, requiring mining for raw materials and going into landfills at end of life.
Solar panels, last I checked, contain lead, cadmium and other heavy metals, that are elements btw and do not break down.
I also might add, it has been documented that both wind and solar farms use more raw materials than other power plants, which would only increase the issues you presented if we went full retard on this.
Insofar as the birds, perhaps the jury is still out, but it is a major contention of environmentalist around the globe, such as Michael Shellenberger.
One last thing, and I have no idea how much this effects fly ash usage from coal plants, but if you talk to any engineer specializing in concrete (and I would suggest avoiding the conversation or otherwise you will get sucked into a two to three hour lecture on something that cant possibly be more boring, but if you did) they are having having difficultly finding a different source of ash for concrete given the closures of coal plants.
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Once again, you failed to explain this away.
What is there to explain?
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All things that are issues with solar and wind, unless of course the materials just pop out of thin air when needed and disappear when at the end of their life, instead of, you know, requiring mining for raw materials and going into landfills at end of life.
Solar panels, last I checked, contain lead, cadmium and other heavy metals, that are elements btw and do not break down.
I also might add, it has been documented that both wind and solar farms use more raw materials than other power plants, which would only increase the issues you presented if we went full retard on this.
Insofar as the birds, perhaps the jury is still out, but it is a major contention of environmentalist around the globe, such as Michael Shellenberger.
One last thing, and I have no idea how much this effects fly ash usage from coal plants, but if you talk to any engineer specializing in concrete (and I would suggest avoiding the conversation or otherwise you will get sucked into a two to three hour lecture on something that cant possibly be more boring, but if you did) they are having having difficultly finding a different source of ash for concrete given the closures of coal plants.
There is truly no free lunch. I read a similar article to this one today. Said the same thing but from a different source. But Bloomberg shoud do just fine.
Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
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There is truly no free lunch. I read a similar article to this one today. Said the same thing but from a different source. But Bloomberg shoud do just fine.
Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills
Oh Craig, stop it with your facts!
I wonder what the total landfill usage is of old hydroelectric dams? I have a feeling those solid steel turbine blades they replace every now and then are fully recyclable. But dams are bad.
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All things that are issues with solar and wind, unless of course the materials just pop out of thin air when needed and disappear when at the end of their life, instead of, you know, requiring mining for raw materials and going into landfills at end of life.
Solar panels, last I checked, contain lead, cadmium and other heavy metals, that are elements btw and do not break down.
I also might add, it has been documented that both wind and solar farms use more raw materials than other power plants, which would only increase the issues you presented if we went full retard on this.
Insofar as the birds, perhaps the jury is still out, but it is a major contention of environmentalist around the globe, such as Michael Shellenberger.
One last thing, and I have no idea how much this effects fly ash usage from coal plants, but if you talk to any engineer specializing in concrete (and I would suggest avoiding the conversation or otherwise you will get sucked into a two to three hour lecture on something that cant possibly be more boring, but if you did) they are having having difficultly finding a different source of ash for concrete given the closures of coal plants.
I really have no problem if people want to drive electric cars for example. I don't own one or even want one but I have owned Tesla stock for some time and I've made good money owning it.
But I have to wonder who will actually get hurt if we require an all electic fleet. I think it might be those who can least afford to be hurt, the poor and those on fixed imcomes. Generally speaking they drive the older cars in the fleet, well used ones they can buy for very little money. Cars that get them to their jobs, health care and shopping. Looking backwards they appeared to be the ones hurt worst when the Cash for Clunkers program removed about 700K used cars from the fleet, also removing them from the used marketplace. If you were income limited, the potential pool of cars you could afford as greatly reduced and likely got more costly. People of limited means were the one mostly affected.
Lets fast forward to an all electric car future and wonder what it might look like for low income used car buyers.
1. Cheap cars may be very hard to find if the current used EV prices are any indication.
2. Used EV may need very expensive battery replacements if todays patterns hold.
3. Home charging may be a very big issue fro some, especially those who live in homes without a garage or apartments sith limitled parking and no charging stations. Running an extension cord from your house to the street or worse your apartment window is not a good solution.
4. During a full scale transition from gas to EV, gas prices could rise dramatically, further hurting the lower income driver.
The law of unintended consequences is a bitch.
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I really have no problem if people want to drive electric cars for example. I don't own one or even want one but I have owned Tesla stock for some time and I've made good money owning it.
But I have to wonder who will actually get hurt if we require an all electic fleet. I think it might be those who can least afford to be hurt, the poor and those on fixed imcomes. Generally speaking they drive the older cars in the fleet, well used ones they can buy for very little money. Cars that get them to their jobs, health care and shopping. Looking backwards they appeared to be the ones hurt worst when the Cash for Clunkers program removed about 700K used cars from the fleet, also removing them from the used marketplace. If you were income limited, the potential pool of cars you could afford as greatly reduced and likely got more costly. People of limited means were the one mostly affected.
Lets fast forward to an all electric car future and wonder what it might look like for low income used car buyers.
1. Cheap cars may be very hard to find if the current used EV prices are any indication.
2. Used EV may need very expensive battery replacements if todays patterns hold.
3. Home charging may be a very big issue fro some, especially those who live in homes without a garage or apartments sith limitled parking and no charging stations. Running an extension cord from your house to the street or worse your apartment window is not a good solution.
4. During a full scale transition from gas to EV, gas prices could rise dramatically, further hurting the lower income driver.
The law of unintended consequences is a bitch.
Well, all makes sense.
Off the topic of cars onto the topic of oil subsidies that Biden wants to get rid of, I just read a large portion of oil subsidies go to poor families in need of heating oil for their house. What happens when we take those away? How will they afford oil? Will they have to switch to electric heat? Who will pay for the transition and higher costs?
FYI, extreme cold kills more people in the USA then extreme heat.
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And 4 years ago today, Hillary tweeted ...
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All things that are issues with solar and wind, unless of course the materials just pop out of thin air when needed and disappear when at the end of their life, instead of, you know, requiring mining for raw materials and going into landfills at end of life.
Solar panels, last I checked, contain lead, cadmium and other heavy metals, that are elements btw and do not break down.
No, they don't break down. Elements can be re-used. Just like many of the materials in cellphones and other electrical devices.
I also might add, it has been documented that both wind and solar farms use more raw materials than other power plants, which would only increase the issues you presented if we went full retard on this.
Let's see the documentation.
Insofar as the birds, perhaps the jury is still out, but it is a major contention of environmentalist around the globe, such as Michael Shellenberger.
Your "jury" perhaps. Let's see the documentation.
Shellenburger is pro-nuclear. Not something I disagree with. Google LFTR.
One last thing, and I have no idea how much this effects fly ash usage from coal plants, but if you talk to any engineer specializing in concrete (and I would suggest avoiding the conversation or otherwise you will get sucked into a two to three hour lecture on something that cant possibly be more boring, but if you did) they are having having difficultly finding a different source of ash for concrete given the closures of coal plants.
Let's see the documentation. Why does fly ash present such a disposal problem? Shouldn't it all be gobbled up by the concrete industry?
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No, they don't break down. Elements can be re-used. Just like many of the materials in cellphones and other electrical devices.
Let's see the documentation.
Well, Craig just supplied you with an article showing how turbine blades are not recyclable. Here is one from Forbes on solar panels.
If Solar Panels Are So Clean, Why Do They Produce So Much Toxic Waste? (https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/05/23/if-solar-panels-are-so-clean-why-do-they-produce-so-much-toxic-waste/#778c54b7121c)
Your "jury" perhaps. Let's see the documentation.
Shellenburger is pro-nuclear. Not something I disagree with. Google LFTR.
As am I, because it is a much better alternate then chasing the wind/solar fairy tale.
Let's see the documentation. Why does fly ash present such a disposal problem? Shouldn't it all be gobbled up by the concrete industry?
I did say that I was fully informed on the use of fly ash, so I cant answer this. Reading comprehension ...
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Oh Craig, stop it with your facts!
I wonder what the total landfill usage is of old hydroelectric dams? I have a feeling those solid steel turbine blades they replace every now and then are fully recyclable. But dams are bad.
Those first-generation turbine blades that are /s polluting landfills worldwide /s are complex composites. Agreed. Not easily recyclable. Yet.
Wind turbine systems are frequently in the black financially within a year. The first gen blades are replaced after twenty. Not a bad rate of return.
The amount of blades dumped is underwhelming:
“Wind turbine blades at the end of their operational life are landfill-safe, unlike the waste from some other energy sources, and represent a small fraction of overall U.S. municipal solid waste,” according to an emailed statement from the group. It pointed to an Electric Power Research Institute study that estimates all blade waste through 2050 would equal roughly .015% of all the municipal solid waste going to landfills in 2015 alone.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills-1.1385125#:~:text=Feb%205%2C%202020-,Wind%20Turbine%20Blades%20Can't%20Be%20Recycled%2C%20So%20They',re%20Piling%20Up%20in%20Landfills&text=(Bloomberg)%20%2D%2D%20A%20wind%20turbine's,t%20just%20be%20hauled%20away.
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I did say that I was fully informed on the use of fly ash, so I cant answer this. Reading comprehension ...
Reading comprehension? Or writing ability?
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Reading comprehension? Or writing ability?
Okay, you got me. Lack of proof reading is another fault of mine; rack it up there with loose and lose.
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Well, all makes sense.
Off the topic of cars onto the topic of oil subsidies that Biden wants to get rid of, I just read a large portion of oil subsidies go to poor families in need of heating oil for their house. What happens when we take those away? How will they afford oil? Will they have to switch to electric heat? Who will pay for the transition and higher costs?
FYI, extreme cold kills more people in the USA then extreme heat.
Heating is another big issue when we remove fossil fuels.
This source shows only 34% of homes are heated by electric. Thats a lot of homes that will require all new heating systems. And a lot of people who won't have the money to do it. Most likely the poor.
https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/heat-and-cool/home-heating-systems
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The facility are not close to bats though, it is location over a 100 miles away from bat habitats. Once again, you failed to explain this away.
Let me ask you a question: would you have believed me if the research facility was actually 10 miles away? 25 miles? 50 miles? I think you like your conspiracy theory so much it really wouldn't matter where the bats are. And it's not like you have crossed every "t" and dotted every "i" in your conspiracy theory, so I don't why you are complaining.
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Let me ask you a question: would you have believed me if the research facility was actually 10 miles away? 25 miles? 50 miles? I think you like your conspiracy theory so much it really wouldn't matter where the bats are. And it's not like you have crossed every "t" and dotted every "i" in your conspiracy theory, so I don't why you are complaining.
50 miles.
7 surprising facts about bats (https://www.fromthegrapevine.com/nature/7-surprising-facts-about-bats)
"Bats can travel around 50 miles per night, yet they always manage to get back to their roosting tree (because even bats like to feel at home). Probably all that awesome sonar has something to do with it."
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Biden wants to eliminate jobs in the oil industry, around 6 million.
Have you studied the oil industry lately? BP and Royal Dutch Shell have both announced restructurings amidst a move to more renewable resource approaches. Exxon has reduced exploration. Oil prices have dropped worldwide. Chevron (disclosure I am a shareholder probably to your surprise) is focusing on natural gas exploration and just bought the company that holds most of the eastern Mediterranean Sea fields. Solar panel installation and wind farm increase yearly with more jobs in that area. Coal production continues to decrease and under President Trump another 30K jobs were last in that industry.
Energy jobs will ebb and flow, moving to areas of opportunity. The US will continue to produce oil and natural gas and coal will gradually disappear as a major energy source.
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50 miles.
7 surprising facts about bats (https://www.fromthegrapevine.com/nature/7-surprising-facts-about-bats)
"Bats can travel around 50 miles per night, yet they always manage to get back to their roosting tree (because even bats like to feel at home). Probably all that awesome sonar has something to do with it."
So it would be how far the animal that the bat bit could travel that would be determinative? And he gets more than one day. There is the incubation time and the time he remains contagious. It could have even bit another animal on his way, and so it was kind of like a relay race.
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50 miles.
7 surprising facts about bats (https://www.fromthegrapevine.com/nature/7-surprising-facts-about-bats)
"Bats can travel around 50 miles per night, yet they always manage to get back to their roosting tree (because even bats like to feel at home). Probably all that awesome sonar has something to do with it."
So if their daily limit is 50 miles, do they stay overnight at their destination target?
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So if their daily limit is 50 miles, do they stay overnight at their destination target?
As the article clearly pointed out, they, like us, prefer to come home for dinner.
Did you miss the "... they always manage to get back to their roosting tree ..." in my quote?
I mean come on now, you did not even need to open the link, and did not delete it from my quote in your post. Are you that lazy where you would not read an additional line?
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As the article clearly pointed out, they, like us, prefer to come home for dinner.
I like to come home for dinner too, but sometimes I get lost along the way. In my earlier days, sometimes I didn't come home until the next morning.
I think you would be better served by shoring up your own theory than picking mine apart. You see the thing is that it is not an either/or situation, so even if you prove my theory if false, it doesn't mean your theory is true. You still have to prove your theory. You could waste a lot of time knocking down other people's theories and you wouldn't end up any closer to your goal.
How's that conspiracy theory research coming?
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As the article clearly pointed out, they, like us, prefer to come home for dinner.
Did you miss the "... they always manage to get back to their roosting tree ..." in my quote?
I mean come on now, you did not even need to open the link, and did not delete it from my quote in your post. Are you that lazy where you would not read an additional line?
Yes, I opened the link. Highly interesting animals with amazing capabilities.
50 miles distance quote caused my confusion. Just to clarify, if their range for one day is 50 miles, they would travel only up to 25 miles from their home. Still more than I could muster without any mechanical aid.
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Yes, I opened the link. Highly interesting animals with amazing capabilities.
50 miles distance quote caused my confusion. Just to clarify, if their range for one day is 50 miles, they would travel only up to 25 miles from their home. Still more than I could muster without any mechanical aid.
That's a good question? I took it as they could fly out 50 miles and then 50 miles back, but perhaps it's 50 miles total.
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Then it is about the same range as GM Volt. According to EPA, GM Volt's range is 53 miles which according to GM should be enough to get most people to work and back.
However, GM Volt can't tell the difference between an apple tree and pine tree.
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Then it is about the same range as GM Volt. According to EPA, GM Volt's range is 53 miles which according to GM should be enough to get most people to work and back.
However, GM Volt can't tell the difference between an apple tree and pine tree.
That was quite the surprise.
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So you want to defend the Chinese Communists as they saber rattle over Taiwan? It was the Obama/Biden administration that pulled the US Navy from the South China Sea and allowed China to build up their military islands there. So now Biden, who may have done a corrupt deal with his son that the Chinese can blackmail him over, if he wins, we have to expect him to do the right thing for Taiwan against the Communists? I'd be nervous, very nervous if I was Taiwanese.
Beijing said Monday that it will impose sanctions on American companies — including Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Raytheon — that have been involved in selling weapons to Taiwan.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/26/business/china-taiwan-sanctions-arms-boeing-intl-hnk/index.html
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I'll tell you what, when just California can make enough electricity to power their homes, factories and all electric cars in its state with renewables, get back to me. Until then it a pipe dream.
They should clear away the brush between the trees in the forest. Then they stop forest fires and use the wood to generate electricity solving two problems they have.
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That seems like a good idea. I think I'll do the same. Except that if Trump wins, I will probably cancel my cable TV. But I think I have already told you that.
Don't do that. CNN will need. :)
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They should clear away the brush between the trees in the forest. Then they stop forest fires and use the wood to generate electricity solving two problems they have.
Another benefit would be a job creation for thousands of forest rangers and loggers. Responsible forestry in North America is way behind the Europe.
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I think I mentioned earlier that I think Trump would have farted around until mid-March even if he had know about it six weeks earlier.
Stop obsessing over Trump. What about the rest of the world? Is Trump responsible for the increase now in Europe? Don' t you think Europeans are pissed off as well at them. They're dying too.
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The facility are not close to bats though, it is location over a 100 miles away from bat habitats.
Once again, you failed to explain this away.
Maybe they flew to the lab? Or to the market? :)
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Stop obsessing over Trump. What about the rest of the world? Is Trump responsible for the increase now in Europe? Don' t you think Europeans are pissed off as well at them. They're dying too.
And that is the thing no one on the left can answer!
It's like as if when Biden is sworn in, he will flip the magic switch to stop the virus that Trump has been refusing to do. LOL. If you fall for that you're a sucker!
Biden has no plans to do anything other then what Trump has done and more lock downs. Well I can tell you right now, if Biden wins and he somehow convinces my state to enforce another lock down, I'll be moving to a state that scoffs at him. I'll even flip him the bird without a mask on as I drive by DC.
The fact is the only thing we can do is protect the elderly and encourage everyone else to catch it so we get herd immunity.
NYTs: Vilified Early Over Lax Virus Strategy, Sweden Seems to Have Scourge Controlled (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-strategy.html)
"After having weathered high death rates when it resisted a lockdown in the spring, Sweden now has one of Europe’s lowest rates of daily new cases. Whether that is an aberration remains to be seen."
There is nothing Biden has suggested that Trump has not already done, or that Biden could do legally. Although I would really like to watch him call every municipality in the country and beg them to enforce mask mandates like he suggested in a recent interview.
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Those first-generation turbine blades that are /s polluting landfills worldwide /s are complex composites. Agreed. Not easily recyclable. Yet.
Wind turbine systems are frequently in the black financially within a year. The first gen blades are replaced after twenty. Not a bad rate of return.
The amount of blades dumped is underwhelming:
“Wind turbine blades at the end of their operational life are landfill-safe, unlike the waste from some other energy sources, and represent a small fraction of overall U.S. municipal solid waste,” according to an emailed statement from the group. It pointed to an Electric Power Research Institute study that estimates all blade waste through 2050 would equal roughly .015% of all the municipal solid waste going to landfills in 2015 alone.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills-1.1385125#:~:text=Feb%205%2C%202020-,Wind%20Turbine%20Blades%20Can't%20Be%20Recycled%2C%20So%20They',re%20Piling%20Up%20in%20Landfills&text=(Bloomberg)%20%2D%2D%20A%20wind%20turbine's,t%20just%20be%20hauled%20away.
Wind turbines at the end of their lives and at other times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemy4TD4I3A
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Heating is another big issue when we remove fossil fuels.
This source shows only 34% of homes are heated by electric. Thats a lot of homes that will require all new heating systems. And a lot of people who won't have the money to do it. Most likely the poor.
https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/heat-and-cool/home-heating-systems
Electric heating is many times more expensive than oil or natural gas. Decades ago, the electric companies paid people to install electric heating in new homes. Biggest mistake homeowners ever made. They paid for it in higher electric bills many times over.
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"After having weathered high death rates when it resisted a lockdown in the spring, Sweden now has one of Europe’s lowest rates of daily new cases. Whether that is an aberration remains to be seen."
Yes, in comparison to other European countries Sweden has now relatively low infection count, but in September and October the infections have been rising steadily.
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Yes, in comparison to other European countries Sweden has now relatively low infection count, but in September and October the infections have been rising steadily.
Well then, just goes to prove my point even more, there is nothing you can do to stop this!
You can only mitigate the effects, but it is going to spread regardless of what you do.
Italy had a national mask mandate even if you were outside, then went on lockdown again, and they are see a surge.
I am not pausing my life again. I have no plans to remain in a state that goes down that road, and I think most, or at least the productive of society, will agree with me.
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Have you studied the oil industry lately? BP and Royal Dutch Shell have both announced restructurings amidst a move to more renewable resource approaches. Exxon has reduced exploration. Oil prices have dropped worldwide. Chevron (disclosure I am a shareholder probably to your surprise) is focusing on natural gas exploration and just bought the company that holds most of the eastern Mediterranean Sea fields. Solar panel installation and wind farm increase yearly with more jobs in that area. Coal production continues to decrease and under President Trump another 30K jobs were last in that industry.
Energy jobs will ebb and flow, moving to areas of opportunity. The US will continue to produce oil and natural gas and coal will gradually disappear as a major energy source.
Increasing the number of jobs to produce a product decreases productivity and raises prices. You want the number of jobs to decrease, not increase. You want to be more efficient, not less so. What you're suggesting has raised electric prices in Germany so they pay 2 1/2 times what we pay in America. That's expensive and the Germans are "rioting" over it.
Look at it this way. Adding a tractor to a farm reduces farm hands by 90% let's say. So if it once took 100 farm hands to reap the produce, and it now takes only 10 using tractors, you decreased the labor by 90 workers or 90%. THat reduces the price of food since the cost of labor went down 90%. Same with electricity. Producing the same amount of electricity and let's say tripling the number of workers required over gas, oil or coal to produce it, just raises the cost of each KWH so you pay more for it. Why don't we throw our computers away and go back to the abacus?
This also reminds me of the broken window theory of economics. The way it goes is you break all the windows in a building complex. Then go out and hire people to replace them. All sorts of work for glaziers you can hire. Of course, that's just silly. The windows that were there were perfectly ok. All you've done is waste precious resources that could be spent for let's say repairing bridges that are in fact falling down. Same with electricity. We are already making it. Why tear perfectly productive plants down and build new ones? Spend the money on repairing broken bridges.
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Well then, just goes to prove my point even more, there is nothing you can do to stop this!
You can only mitigate the effects, but it is going to spread regardless of what you do.
Italy had a national mask mandate even if you were outside, then went on lockdown again, and they are see a surge.
I am not pausing my life again. I have no plans to remain in a state that goes down that road, and I think most, or at least the productive of society, will agree with me.
Avoiding or minimizing contact with others will most definitely stop or reduce the infection numbers.
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Avoiding or minimizing contact with others will most definitely stop or reduce the infection numbers.
Thats my plan....
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Look at it this way. Adding a tractor to a farm reduces farm hands by 90% let's say. So if it once took 100 farm hands to reap the produce, and it now takes only 10 using tractors, you decreased the labor by 90 workers or 90%. THat reduces the price of food since the cost of labor went down 90%.
Where do you get free tractors? And then there is the ongoing maintenance, and fuel and stuff. Then one year you might need fewer workers because of drought or pestilence, or you shift to a less labor intensive crop because Trump is screwing around with tariffs and the Chinese won’t buy the stuff you used to grow, and while you can fire half your workers, you can’t fire half your tractor, and so maybe your net actually goes down. I mean if you shift from soy beans to corn, you need a combine not a tractor. So what are you going to do with your tractor? Nobody wants it because everyone is growing corn now. So you lose you shirt on the trade-in. People have lost family farms from buying tractors and such. I am not saying don’t buy tractors, but you have to really crunch the numbers and take on some risk, so it is not as easy as it looks. It's got government bailouts written all over it. They call it the Farm Bill. It's really the Farm Subsidy and Bailout Bill. Willie Nelson had some really big concerts called Farm Aid because farmers bought too many tractors.
This also reminds me of the broken window theory of economics. The way it goes is you break all the windows in a building complex. Then go out and hire people to replace them. All sorts of work for glaziers you can hire. Of course, that's just silly. The windows that were there were perfectly ok. All you've done is waste precious resources that could be spent for let's say repairing bridges that are in fact falling down. Same with electricity. We are already making it. Why tear perfectly productive plants down and build new ones? Spend the money on repairing broken bridges.
I don’t ever remember reading about anyone breaking windows or whatever. I mean that is so crazy even I wouldn’t do it. My dad didn't go around the house knocking out windows so I could earn my allowance or anything. Maybe he should have been an economist given that insight. So I looked it up. Guess what? It’s called the broken window fallacy, not the broken window theory. Nobody won a Nobel Prize or anything. Basically it means don’t do stupid stuff, except if you have a really good reason. Like all of the make-work projects during the Depression. That worked out pretty well. Kind of the right tool for the right job. Nothing wrong with a few broken windows now and then when you have the need for them, like now, with twenty or thirty million people out of jobs because of the pandemic and our less than award-winning response. Something to think about anyway.
I am not an economist or anything, but some of this stuff is obvious if you think about it for a minute.
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Avoiding or minimizing contact with others will most definitely stop or reduce the infection numbers.
Only for a time, then as soon as you open up, it spreads again.
That is not to say you cant minimize contact if you choose, but to force others against their will, sorry, but I will never be for that.
I am for liberty over safety and truly believe "those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I'd rather get it over with and move on then linger in an economic depressions for years.
Your choice, but I'll fight for my side, even if just scoffing the edicts, or move. Eventually the areas that adapt this will suffer immensely. History has shown this.
There is a good documentary on Prohibition in which, at the end, one of the narrators, who is a sober alcoholic, states that if someone told him he could not have a drink he would do so on Pennsylvania Ave in front of congress just to prove a point. If Biden mandates masks, I'll be on Pennsylvania Ave doing the same.
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But anyway, I literally cant think of a better person to handle the ceremony!
Clarence Thomas to administer constitutional oath to Amy Coney Barrett (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/barrett-confirmation-celebration-white-house)
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The other thing is I learned the hard way that if your gas contains ethanol, you'll wear yourself out trying to start your chain saw, and it is actually less effort to cut down the tree with a regular saw. Then this friend of mine told me about this place where the tree trimmer guys go to get gas that is all gas. I like using my chain saw now.
It's also cheaper because you no longer slam your chain saw down on a rock and have to go out and buy a new chain saw that you can't start either. Do that a couple of times and it is cheaper just to hire the tree trimmer guys to do it, and you can sit on the back porch sipping lemonade, and telling your wife how you would have gladly done it yourself, but it would have been more expensive.
Go electric. ROFLMAO. No really I love my battery powered light chainsaw.
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My God, really, you guys are sissies.
I'd used a scythe to cut my lawn, well, if I had a lawn.
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Where do you get free tractors? And then there is the ongoing maintenance, and fuel and stuff. Then one year you might need fewer workers because of drought or pestilence, or you shift to a less labor intensive crop because Trump is screwing around with tariffs and the Chinese won’t buy the stuff you used to grow, and while you can fire half your workers, you can’t fire half your tractor, and so maybe your net actually goes down. I mean if you shift from soy beans to corn, you need a combine not a tractor. So what are you going to do with your tractor. Nobody wants it because everyone is growing corn. So you lose you shirt on the trade-in. People have lost family farms from buying tractors and such. I am not saying don’t buy tractors, but you have to really crunch the numbers and take on some risk, so it is not as easy as it looks. It's got government bailouts written all over it. They call it the Farm Bill. It's really the Farm Subsidy and Bailout Bill. Willie Nelson had some really big concerts called Farm Aid because farmers bought too many tractors.
In absence of free tractors, the farmers could switch back to oxen and horses. Cubans did it.
HAVANA TIMES – Cuba will employ thousands more oxen to plough sugar cane fields and pull farmers’ carts due to lack of fuel for ploughing machines and transport vehicles. Horses will also be used for transport, the ruling Communist Party’s newspaper Granma quoted party official Jose Ramon Machado as saying.
Cuban farmers are already using some oxen, though agriculture had become largely mechanized. The government will now add about 8,000 oxen to those already in use, the presidency on Wednesday quoted the president of the state sugar cane monopoly Azcuba as saying. “In the face of the current fuel shortage, measures have been adopted such as incorporating about 4,000 pairs of oxen into sugar cane work and food production
https://havanatimes.org/news/as-tractors-grind-to-a-halt-cuba-returns-to-oxen/
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Go electric. ROFLMAO. No really I love my battery powered light chainsaw.
I have a rechargeable one now. It's great. The thing is the battery runs down pretty quick and takes a couple of hours to recharge. So you work a little bit and then go take a nap - or go work in the darkroom - while it's recharging. Sorry honey, the battery's recharging. I like it. I'll share a tip with you. Don't buy an extra battery.
I no longer had a need for a gas powered one because I cut down most of the trees in the backyard. We use to have a lot of trees in the backyard, but this tornado came through one night. I was down at the office working on a deal and it was pretty late. I got a call from my wife who said a tree fell through the bedroom ceiling. I rush home and it was raining like no tomorrow and so I was up on the roof pulling the branches out and patching the roof, and my wife was out there with a flashlight yelling at me to be careful and not fall off the roof, and, well, everything worked out okay, but it was quite the experience. Trees in the backyard are nice, but you have to be smart about it. Ended up with new carpet in the bedroom for the cost of the deductible, so I'm not complaining.
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I have a rechargeable one now. It's great. The thing is the battery runs down pretty quick and takes a couple of hours to recharge. So you work a little bit and then go take a nap - or go work in the darkroom - while it's recharging. Sorry honey, the battery's recharging. I like it. I'll share a tip with you. Don't buy an extra battery.
I no longer had a need for a gas powered one because I cut down most of the trees in the backyard. We use to have a lot of trees in the backyard, but this tornado came through one night. I was down at the office working on a deal and it was pretty late. I got a call from my wife who said a tree fell through the bedroom ceiling. I rush home and it was raining like no tomorrow and so I was up on the roof pulling the branches out and patching the roof, and my wife was out there with a flashlight yelling at me to be careful and not fall off the roof, and, well, everything worked out okay, but it was quite the experience. Trees in the backyard are nice, but you have to be smart about it. Ended up with new carpet in the bedroom for the cost of the deductible, so I'm not complaining.
Too late I have extra batteries😎
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Electric heating is many times more expensive than oil or natural gas. Decades ago, the electric companies paid people to install electric heating in new homes. Biggest mistake homeowners ever made. They paid for it in higher electric bills many times over.
More rash and unsupported generalizations from Mr. Kline.
Two years ago, I switched from wood heat to an electrically powered mini-split. Now, instead of tending a fire 24/7 from October to March and all the work and mess and air pollution that results from those responsibilities, I dial up my desired temperature with a remote.
Those responsibilities were considerable. They began with shoveling a path to the woodshed for my wheelbarrow and ended with continually cleaning the house of fly ash and wood debris.
Oh, I forgot. It's cheaper, too. My wife did the math.
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... It's like as if when Biden is sworn in, he will flip the magic switch to stop the virus that Trump has been refusing to do.
I've never heard of that assertion by the left. Perhaps you can point us to some references on this.
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More rash and unsupported generalizations from Mr. Kline.
Two years ago, I switched from wood heat to an electrically powered mini-split. Now, instead of tending a fire 24/7 from October to March and all the work and mess and air pollution that results from those responsibilities, I dial up my desired temperature with a remote.
Those responsibilities were considerable. They began with shoveling a path to the woodshed for my wheelbarrow and ended with continually cleaning the house of fly ash and wood debris.
Oh, I forgot. It's cheaper, too. My wife did the math.
Reading a problem for you? Wood was never part of Alan’s post. Sheesh.
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I've never heard of that assertion by the left. Perhaps you can point us to some references on this.
Here’s one...
LA teachers union say it can start in class instruction after the election
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/la-schools-reopen-after-election
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Where do you get free tractors? And then there is the ongoing maintenance, and fuel and stuff. Then one year you might need fewer workers because of drought or pestilence, or you shift to a less labor intensive crop because Trump is screwing around with tariffs and the Chinese won’t buy the stuff you used to grow, and while you can fire half your workers, you can’t fire half your tractor, and so maybe your net actually goes down. I mean if you shift from soy beans to corn, you need a combine not a tractor. So what are you going to do with your tractor? Nobody wants it because everyone is growing corn now. So you lose you shirt on the trade-in. People have lost family farms from buying tractors and such. I am not saying don’t buy tractors, but you have to really crunch the numbers and take on some risk, so it is not as easy as it looks. It's got government bailouts written all over it. They call it the Farm Bill. It's really the Farm Subsidy and Bailout Bill. Willie Nelson had some really big concerts called Farm Aid because farmers bought too many tractors.
I don’t ever remember reading about anyone breaking windows or whatever. I mean that is so crazy even I wouldn’t do it. My dad didn't go around the house knocking out windows so I could earn my allowance or anything. Maybe he should have been an economist given that insight. So I looked it up. Guess what? It’s called the broken window fallacy, not the broken window theory. Nobody won a Nobel Prize or anything. Basically it means don’t do stupid stuff, except if you have a really good reason. Like all of the make-work projects during the Depression. That worked out pretty well. Kind of the right tool for the right job. Nothing wrong with a few broken windows now and then when you have the need for them, like now, with twenty or thirty million people out of jobs because of the pandemic and our less than award-winning response. Something to think about anyway.
I am not an economist or anything, but some of this stuff is obvious if you think about it for a minute.
I thought the broken windows thing was about stopping crime in New York. Things are moving too fast for me.
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We all know that Trump lies about almost everything -- seems to lie by preference, even when the truth might actually be more favorable to him. I think today, all day, he was telling on of his more despicable lies. The Trump campaign is trying to sell the idea that Biden is mentally unfit for office, and Trump was claiming today that Biden had forgotten his (Trump's) name, and had referred to him as George. They even had the video to prove it. But the video was as an edited version of an interview with a guy named George, and that was the George that Biden was referring to. If you saw the entire sequence, that was quite clear, but a number of news outlets used the Trump/YouTube/Facebook version from the Trump campaign. They later apologized, but of course, an apology never gets back all the people who saw the first version. And YouTube and Facebook, according to CNN, haven't (at this writing) removed the doctored video.
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Where do you get free tractors? And then there is the ongoing maintenance, and fuel and stuff. Then one year you might need fewer workers because of drought or pestilence, or you shift to a less labor intensive crop because Trump is screwing around with tariffs and the Chinese won’t buy the stuff you used to grow, and while you can fire half your workers, you can’t fire half your tractor, and so maybe your net actually goes down. I mean if you shift from soy beans to corn, you need a combine not a tractor. So what are you going to do with your tractor? Nobody wants it because everyone is growing corn now. So you lose you shirt on the trade-in. People have lost family farms from buying tractors and such. I am not saying don’t buy tractors, but you have to really crunch the numbers and take on some risk, so it is not as easy as it looks. It's got government bailouts written all over it. They call it the Farm Bill. It's really the Farm Subsidy and Bailout Bill. Willie Nelson had some really big concerts called Farm Aid because farmers bought too many tractors.
I don’t ever remember reading about anyone breaking windows or whatever. I mean that is so crazy even I wouldn’t do it. My dad didn't go around the house knocking out windows so I could earn my allowance or anything. Maybe he should have been an economist given that insight. So I looked it up. Guess what? It’s called the broken window fallacy, not the broken window theory. Nobody won a Nobel Prize or anything. Basically it means don’t do stupid stuff, except if you have a really good reason. Like all of the make-work projects during the Depression. That worked out pretty well. Kind of the right tool for the right job. Nothing wrong with a few broken windows now and then when you have the need for them, like now, with twenty or thirty million people out of jobs because of the pandemic and our less than award-winning response. Something to think about anyway.
I am not an economist or anything, but some of this stuff is obvious if you think about it for a minute.
They didn't break windows during the Depression. There were actual projects like the Hoover Dam. Which reminds me. Rather than the government just printing money during COvid and giving it out as handouts, the least they should do is use the money to do productive things and have the unemployed work for it as wages. Build another Hoover Dam. Something.
I haven't heard one politician, Democrat or Republican suggesting this. In fact no one in government or civilian life. Both sides are afraid to mention it because of the election. Why would someone vote for a politician who made them work for the cash they received? That shows where we've come since the Depression. Would it be terrible if people actually have to work for the money? I could just see it. Trump promising as soon as Nancy passes the next stimulation handout, he's going to start a work program, where unemployed will have to report to government centers to get their work assignments for the day. I can see his motto: "Vote for me and I'll get you a job." Of course, Biden, not to be outdone, will demand double time for overtime and minimum wages of $20 an hour. CNN will check if it's all legal with lawyer Jeffrey Toobin, by voice phone only, of course. Libertarian Kennedy from Fox will ask whether government has the right to force a free people to work for a living, and the contributors at LuLa will have more stuff to argue about before Jeremy shuts it all down.
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Go electric. ROFLMAO. No really I love my battery powered light chainsaw.
Electric? Traitor.
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In absence of free tractors, the farmers could switch back to oxen and horses. Cubans did it.
https://havanatimes.org/news/as-tractors-grind-to-a-halt-cuba-returns-to-oxen/
Well, the fertilizer's for free.
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More rash and unsupported generalizations from Mr. Kline.
Two years ago, I switched from wood heat to an electrically powered mini-split. Now, instead of tending a fire 24/7 from October to March and all the work and mess and air pollution that results from those responsibilities, I dial up my desired temperature with a remote.
Those responsibilities were considerable. They began with shoveling a path to the woodshed for my wheelbarrow and ended with continually cleaning the house of fly ash and wood debris.
Oh, I forgot. It's cheaper, too. My wife did the math.
Why do you accuse me of lying and making generalization for every post. Do I look like a guy who lies? Am I wearing a mask or something? Anyway, It happened to my cousin. They had a house built in Westchester County NY around n 40 years ago and installed electric heating. It costs a fortune to heat. They couldn't switch over to oil because there's no room for a fuel tank and the complex has no propane gas. Everything is electric. If you'd like, I'll get a deposition from them affirming the truth of this matter.
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We all know that Trump lies about almost everything -- seems to lie by preference, even when the truth might actually be more favorable to him. I think today, all day, he was telling on of his more despicable lies. The Trump campaign is trying to sell the idea that Biden is mentally unfit for office, and Trump was claiming today that Biden had forgotten his (Trump's) name, and had referred to him as George. They even had the video to prove it. But the video was as an edited version of an interview with a guy named George, and that was the George that Biden was referring to. If you saw the entire sequence, that was quite clear, but a number of news outlets used the Trump/YouTube/Facebook version from the Trump campaign. They later apologized, but of course, an apology never gets back all the people who saw the first version. And YouTube and Facebook, according to CNN, haven't (at this writing) removed the doctored video.
He prefaced George with President while referring to our current president TRump. So he was thinking of President George Bush, not some guy named George. Biden wife's lips moved slightly. She was probably mumbling to him, " Donald you dope, Donald."
Here's the link. People can make up their own minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixjYjlktqOw
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He prefaced George with President while referring to our current president TRump. So he was thinking of President George Bush, not some guy named George. Biden wife's lips moved slightly. She was probably mumbling to him, " Donald you dope, Donald."
Here's the link. People can make up their own minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixjYjlktqOw
That is how I read it too; John is clearly trying hard to convince himself otherwise.
He clearly forgot who he was running against, just like when he forgets he s running for president says he is running for Senate.
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That is how I read it too; John is clearly trying hard to convince himself otherwise.
He clearly forgot who he was running against, just like when he forgets he s running for president says he is running for Senate.
Sometimes forgetting is a good thing. I wish Trump would forget to call Fox News, forget to attend press briefings, and forget to talk to gaggles of reporters on his way over to Marine One. You know, STFU. I'm not sure I would mind it all that much if Biden did the same. If Biden is half way there already, I'm voting for Biden. By the way, I seem to remember Trump misidentifying someone once. I'd look it up on YouTube if I didn't have to listen to him say it. This is one time I'll join Alan and say I am not going to do your research for you.
Besides, everyone forgets things from time to time. I have probably forgotten more than I have retained over all these years. Some of what I have forgotten was dumb stuff or bad stuff, so that's okay. I think of it kind of like cleaning out the closet. You know, get in there and clear out of the stuff you no longer want or need. You might even give some of it to charity. It would be the Christian thing to do and you can take a tax deduction. I mentioned Christians give things to charity. People of other faiths do it too. I'll admit sometimes I forget where I put my car keys, but you know that's part of life. I sometimes even call my dog my son's name. That cracks my wife up. Me too. So maybe Biden had a son or a dog named George. So I forget things from time to time, but I also remember things from time to time. That can really be special. So I guess it pretty much evens itself out. Speaking of remembering, sometimes it helps to write stuff you need to remember down in a notebook. Trump would never do that. Then he would have to read it back. Trump doesn't read. I bet Biden reads. He seems like a smart guy.
Some people say taking naps is a bad thing. Trump says that. He's says Biden is bad and calls him Sleepy Joe. When I was growing up, my mom use to make me take naps, and I turned out okay. Sort of. Anyway, I learned a valuable lesson. Now I take naps on my own initiative. Not a bad way to spend the afternoon. Trump doesn't exercise because he thinks it will wear down his battery. Biden is smart. He knows he can recharge his battery by taking a nap. I like people who are smart and use rechargeables. And it is good for the environment. You know, now that I think about it, I think I would prefer, as president, to have Biden sleep through the next four years than have Trump lie through the next four years. I'm voting for Biden.
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That is how I read it too; John is clearly trying hard to convince himself otherwise.
He clearly forgot who he was running against, just like when he forgets he s running for president says he is running for Senate.
I think you're stretching things. Trump's public incoherences are too numerous to list, they are well documented. It is often the case that I don't understand what he says. From what I read, Biden's performances at both debates were cogent and reasoned, though needless to say people are free to disagree with him. But you keep harping on Biden's supposed senility. It is not a convincing position to take.
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Well, the fertilizer's for free.
We have to dodge the horse poop on the country roads here from the Amish buggies.
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Why do you accuse me of lying and making generalization for every post. Do I look like a guy who lies? Am I wearing a mask or something? Anyway, It happened to my cousin. They had a house built in Westchester County NY around n 40 years ago and installed electric heating. It costs a fortune to heat. They couldn't switch over to oil because there's no room for a fuel tank and the complex has no propane gas. Everything is electric. If you'd like, I'll get a deposition from them affirming the truth of this matter.
No need. You have given us one example, and that's enough to make a sweeping generalization from. If you were walking down the street and saw a little girl wearing rainbow colored shoes, you would be on here in no time making a sweeping generalization that people wear rainbow colored shoes. How do you know if anybody else wears rainbow colored shoes? I mean they could have been white shoes and the little girl fixed them up with magic markers, you know, one of a kind. I am kind of leery of people who make sweeping generalizations. A lot of time they aren't true.
The first house I bought had electric heat. The ceiling had wires in the plaster. It was called CeilHeat. That's what was on the thermostat. The good thing was that you only had to heat the rooms you wanted to heat. They call that zone heating now, which is usually considered a good thing. We switched to an electric heat pump because we wanted air conditioning too. Our electric bill went down in the winter. You know what? The electric company financed it for us, and in the winter their revenue went down. My electric company did me a favor. Not all electric companies are evil.
You know what? If your cousin was dumb enough to buy an all electric house with no room to put a fuel tank and no access to gas, it's his own damn fault. No one held a gun to his head to make him do it. Tell him to suck it up and accept some personal responsibility. Tell him to quit blaming everyone else for his own fuck-ups. Bitch, bitch, bitch. All some people do it bitch. Like Trump. And really he doesn't even bitch; he whines, which is worse.
I'm going to go get a cup of coffee and shake it off.
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Now that we have a majority of 'originalists' on the Supreme Court here is what I'm looking forward to. Any funding for the US Air Force needs to be declared unconstitutional as only an Army and Navy are explicitly allowed (Article 2, section 2). The second amendment will be revisited and in accordance with 'originalism' individuals may only own flintlocks and black powder cannons. Judicial review will be struck down as the framers did not explicitly give this role to the Supreme Court and Marshall's decision was the type of power grab by the courts that the 'originalists' object to today.
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I think you're stretching things. Trump's public incoherences are too numerous to list, they are well documented. It is often the case that I don't understand what he says.
My suggestion is when Trump starts talking, just hit the mute button so you don't have to listen to it. I wore mine out. I had to go down to the XFinity store and get a new one. When I got there, it was still closed because of COVID. So I called them up and they said they would mail me one. Longest three days of my life until it arrived. Fortunately, this occurred before Trump put that idiot in charge of the Post Office who fixed it so the ballots wouldn't arrive on time. If that had been the case, it would have been three weeks instead of three days, and I would have been in a straightjacket.
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Now that we have a majority of 'originalists' on the Supreme Court here is what I'm looking forward to. Any funding for the US Air Force needs to be declared unconstitutional as only an Army and Navy are explicitly allowed (Article 2, section 2). The second amendment will be revisited and in accordance with 'originalism' individuals may only own flintlocks and black powder cannons. Judicial review will be struck down as the framers did not explicitly give this role to the Supreme Court and Marshall's decision was the type of power grab by the courts that the 'originalists' object to today.
I don't know about reversing these decisions. But many of the decisions the court has made should be revisited. We've given too much power to the Federal government.
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By the way, Alan G, I forgot to mention. You look very debonair in your mask. What have you co-workers said about it?
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My suggestion is when Trump starts talking, just hit the mute button so you don't have to listen to it. I wore mine out. I had to go down to the XFinity store and get a new one. When I got there, it was still closed because of COVID. So I called them up and they said they would mail me one. Longest three days of my life until it arrived. Fortunately, this occurred before Trump put that idiot in charge of the Post Office who fixed it so the ballots wouldn't arrive on time. If that had been the case, it would have been three weeks instead of three days, and I would have been in a straightjacket.
I feel your pain. I don't think they make remotes the way they used to. I had a wired remote (if people can conceive of such a thing anymore) on my first VHS deck, and an old cat of ours viciously attacked that remote one night. The remote continued to work flawlessly for many years, and in fact the deck died before the remote did.
As for listening to Trump talk, one of the benefits of advancing age with some accompanying hearing loss is that I miss a lot of stuff, but it's mostly no big loss.
(Btw, if you're interested, pic No. 25 in this gallery (https://robertroaldi.zenfolio.com/p742297428) is that Cooper's Hawk I mentioned earlier. We debated whether it wasn't a large Sharp-shinned Hawk instead of a small Cooper's but we settled on Cooper's because we have no way to be sure and we had to pick one. It has been stopping for a few days visit in our neighbourhood for 5-6 years or more now. We can't be certain that it's always the same one, of course, but it seems like a safe assumption.)
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I feel your pain. I don't think they make remotes the way they used to. I had a wired remote (if people can conceive of such a thing anymore) on my first VHS deck, and an old cat of ours viciously attacked that remote one night. The remote continued to work flawlessly for many years, and in fact the deck died before the remote did.
As for listening to Trump talk, one of the benefits of advancing age with some accompanying hearing loss is that I miss a lot of stuff, but it's mostly no big loss.
(Btw, if you're interested, pic No. 25 in this gallery (https://robertroaldi.zenfolio.com/p742297428) is that Cooper's Hawk I mentioned earlier. We debated whether it wasn't a large Sharp-shinned Hawk instead of a small Cooper's but we settled on Cooper's because we have no way to be sure and we had to pick one. It has been stopping for a few days visit in our neighbourhood for 5-6 years or more now. We can't be certain that it's always the same one, of course, but it seems like a safe assumption.)
Wow. Wired remotes. I remember remotes that sort of chimed when you pressed the button There were little clappers that hit little pieces of metal to make a tone in there.
My dog ate my remote a while back. He thought it was a Kong or something. He bit off the volume control. I had to read my TV manual to figure out how to turn down the volume, otherwise we would have been blasted out. I had to go down to Xfinity store to get a replacement. This was before COVID so the store was open.
I asked my wife. She says we have Sharp-shinned hawks and Cooper's hawks too. We also have Red-Tailed hawks which are smaller.
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By the way, Alan G, I forgot to mention. You look very debonair in your mask. What have you co-workers said about it?
It goes over well. It's the only time in the last 12 months that I put on a suit and tie. I miss getting dressed up for work. Some years ago I was featured in the Washington Post for being well dressed during a heat wave: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/04/AR2005080401708.html I had a picture but it was on the inside page and didn't make it on line. they used Mac Dunaway (brother of Faye) instead.
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Wow. Wired remotes. I remember remotes that sort of chimed when you pressed the button There were little clappers that hit little pieces of metal to make a tone in there.
My dog ate my remote a while back. He thought it was a Kong or something. He bit off the volume control. I had to read my TV manual to figure out how to turn down the volume, otherwise we would has been blasted out. I had to go down to Xfinity store to get a replacement. This was before COVID so the store was open.
I asked my wife. She says we have Sharp-shinned hawks and Cooper's hawks too. We also have Red-Tailed hawks which are smaller.
I use to be the remote. My father would say, "Go put Channel 4 on." Of course, back then, there would also be a lot of snow. So he would click me and say, "Adjust the rabbit ears while you're there." The process worked pretty good, for him.
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It goes over well. It's the only time in the last 12 months that I put on a suit and tie. I miss getting dressed up for work. Some years ago I was featured in the Washington Post for being well dressed during a heat wave: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/04/AR2005080401708.html I had a picture but it was on the inside page and didn't make it on line. they used Mac Dunaway (brother of Faye) instead.
Well, I think you got it over Dunaway.
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My dog ate my remote a while back.
True story:
My dad bought one of the first Hi-8 camcorders. One day it quit and nobody, including Sony, could figure out what happened. My mom, ever suspicious, sniffed the camcorder and proclaimed “cat piss!”. She proved correct. The cat had pissed right inside the cassette door.
Sony laffed so hard they gave us a new camcorder.
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True story:
My dad bought one of the first Hi-8 camcorders. One day it quit and nobody, including Sony, could figure out what happened. My mom, ever suspicious, sniffed the camcorder and proclaimed “cat piss!”. She proved correct. The cat had pissed right inside the cassette door.
Sony laffed so hard they gave us a new camcorder.
If you had a dog it would have been easier to figure out. I am not keen on cats. My parents had a mastiff once that ate the neighbor's cat right in front of the neighbor. That was a problem for a while. Then the neighbor realized that he didn't have to clean the litter box any more, and that smoothed things over. Sometimes when something bad happens, you have to think about it and see if there are any upsides.
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He prefaced George with President while referring to our current president TRump. So he was thinking of President George Bush, not some guy named George. Biden wife's lips moved slightly. She was probably mumbling to him, " Donald you dope, Donald."
Here's the link. People can make up their own minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixjYjlktqOw
That's the edited version, Alan. You don't see the interviewer. He's talking directly to a guy named George. And he didn't say "President George." Listen to the goddamned video yourself, don't depend on what Trump said. Well, excuse me, I know your life revolves around believing what Trump said, but just this one time, listen to the video...
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That's the edited version, Alan. You don't see the interviewer. He's talking directly to a guy named George. And he didn't say "President George." Listen to the goddamned video yourself, don't depend on what Trump said. Well, excuse me, I know your life revolves around believing what Trump said, but just this one time, listen to the video...
Yea Alan do listen to the uneditted video and listen to the context...he forgot who was President, it had nothing to do with the interviewer being George Lopez.
“The character of the country in my view is literally on the ballot, what kind of country are we going to be,” he says. “Four more years of George uh...George, going to find ourselves in a position if Trump gets elected, we are going to be in a different world.”
This is just more liberal BS trying to cover for Biden.
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Reading a problem for you? Wood was never part of Alan’s post. Sheesh.
Conventional knowledge is that wood is the cheapest of all heating systems. Alan said that electric heat was several times more expensive than oil or gas. My post refuted that.
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Conventional knowledge is that wood is the cheapest of all heating systems. Alan said that electric heat was several times more expensive than oil or gas. My post refuted that.
Your post did no such thing. You offered no proof at all that electric was cheaper than gas. Your opinion is not proof.
We can play battling links all day long if you want but I like this one.
How much does heat cost in the US
http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/heating-cost-comparison
Of course prices are regional and subject to change.
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You offered no proof at all that electic was cheaper than gas.
Holy smoke. It's about time for lunch.
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I don't know about reversing these decisions. But many of the decisions the court has made should be revisited. We've given too much power to the Federal government.
So you want to be the one to decide when, where, and how a woman obtains an abortion? But maybe we are on the same page. Maybe we should leave the federal, state, and local governments out of it. Let the woman decide.
A lot of people say that we have given the government too much power. Usually they are the ones who don't like something the government has done. They rarely complain about having given the government too much power when the government does something they like.
Since I mentioned abortion, here is an example. Say you know a Catholic motorcycle rider. The legislature passes a law that says he has to wear a helmet. We'll you know what's going to happen. He is going to dress up in his camo, grab his AR15, and ride his motorcycle down to the capitol without a helmet, and exercise his First Amendment right to bitch and moan about having to wear a helmet and about the government having too much power, and generally scare people because he has a gun, and it looks like he is so worked up about the loss of individual liberties he going to lose it any minute now. Next day the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. You ask him what he thinks about that and he says it is a perfectly acceptable use of government power. I am sure you can think up other examples, but a Catholic motorcycle rider was the first thing that popped into my head.
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So you want to be the one to decide when, where, and how a woman obtains an abortion? But maybe we are on the same page. Maybe we should leave the federal, state, and local governments out of it. Let the woman decide.
Individual freedom? You're a radical.
(There's a stuffed bird exhibit at the Museum of Nature here in Ottawa showing various species, male, female, immature colours. Last time I was there, I remember thinking that a large Sharp-shined could easily be mistaken for a small Cooper's. I met a birder once who participates in a Broad-winged Hawk count every autumn. He does this from the shores of Lake Ontario west of Toronto. Broad-winged hawks don't like to fly across wide lakes, who can blame them, so the populations from eastern regions fly south to Lakes Ontario and Erie and fly west along the northern shoreline. Populations from the northwest fly south to Lake Superior then turn east and eventually south to fly along the Lake Huron shoreline to the Detroit area. The two populations converge south of Detroit and cross the Detroit river to get to points south, Central and South America. I don't have any photos of Broad-winged Hawks. The way they fly to conserve energy is fascinating. They ride the lakeshore thermals circling up and up and then coast horizontally down, east or west, depending, until they get close to the ground and repeat the process.)
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There's some interesting history here about Barrett, Kavanaugh and the contested Bush vs Gore election, https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html).
Is this what people mean by "deep state"?
I guess that McConnell and the boys are installing these folks by way of saying thanks.
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Your post did no such thing. You offered no proof at all that electic was cheaper than gas. Your opinion is not proof.
We can play battling links all day long if you want but I like this one.
How much does heat cost in the US
http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/heating-cost-comparison
Of course prices are regional and subject to change.
my cousin lives in Westchester county NY that is served by Con Edison which also serves NYC, one of the highest electric rates on the country. So they're stuck with it. They can't switch over to natural gas for heating, cooking, clothes drier, and hot water. I use natural gas which is one of the cheapest. I know nothing about wood. In fact, we're not allowed to burn wood or oil in my community. Natural Gas fireplaces only.
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So you want to be the one to decide when, where, and how a woman obtains an abortion? But maybe we are on the same page. Maybe we should leave the federal, state, and local governments out of it. Let the woman decide.
A lot of people say that we have given the government too much power. Usually they are the ones who don't like something the government has done. They never complain about having given the government too much power when the government does something they like.
My problem is more general than that. The founders of our Constitution wanted a very very weak central government. They gave certain powers to the central government. Making war, making treaties, coining money, running a post office, regulating interstate commerce, and international relations. They wanted to leave the living of life and all the rules and regulations people might want to each of the individual states where the residents could decide how they wanted to live. That's why we have 50 states with 50 constitutions 50 governors and 50 legislatures to decide on local laws. Also, 50 judiciaries to decide constitutional issues within their state. People have different cultures and feelings in different parts of the country. Each state can rule itself the way it wants. That's a better system in my opinion. What's happened over the years, the federal government has expanded its power way beyond which is necessary proper or good for the country. The Supreme Court has allowed that to happen.
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Sometimes forgetting is a good thing. I wish Trump would forget to call Fox News, forget to attend press briefings, and forget to talk to gaggles of reporters on his way over to Marine One. You know, STFU. I'm not sure I would mind it all that much if Biden did the same. If Biden is half way there already, I'm voting for Biden. By the way, I seem to remember Trump misidentifying someone once. I'd look it up on YouTube if I didn't have to listen to him say it. This is one time I'll join Alan and say I am not going to do your research for you.
Besides, everyone forgets things from time to time. I have probably forgotten more than I have retained over all these years. Some of what I have forgotten was dumb stuff or bad stuff, so that's okay. I think of it kind of like cleaning out the closet. You know, get in there and clear out of the stuff you no longer want or need. You might even give some of it to charity. It would be the Christian thing to do and you can take a tax deduction. I mentioned Christians give things to charity. People of other faiths do it too. I'll admit sometimes I forget where I put my car keys, but you know that's part of life. I sometimes even call my dog my son's name. That cracks my wife up. Me too. So maybe Biden had a son or a dog named George. So I forget things from time to time, but I also remember things from time to time. That can really be special. So I guess it pretty much evens itself out. Speaking of remembering, sometimes it helps to write stuff you need to remember down in a notebook. Trump would never do that. Then he would have to read it back. Trump doesn't read. I bet Biden reads. He seems like a smart guy.
Some people say taking naps is a bad thing. Trump says that. He's says Biden is bad and calls him Sleepy Joe. When I was growing up, my mom use to make me take naps, and I turned out okay. Sort of. Anyway, I learned a valuable lesson. Now I take naps on my own initiative. Not a bad way to spend the afternoon. Trump doesn't exercise because he thinks it will wear down his battery. Biden is smart. He knows he can recharge his battery by taking a nap. I like people who are smart and use rechargeables. And it is good for the environment. You know, now that I think about it, I think I would prefer, as president, to have Biden sleep through the next four years than have Trump lie through the next four years. I'm voting for Biden.
I wish he would forget his twitter password, everyday.
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That's the edited version, Alan. You don't see the interviewer. He's talking directly to a guy named George. And he didn't say "President George." Listen to the goddamned video yourself, don't depend on what Trump said. Well, excuse me, I know your life revolves around believing what Trump said, but just this one time, listen to the video...
Jill Biden had to mouth "Trump" to Joe Biden for him to remember.
Bare in mind, he forgot Obama's name on the campaign trail as well.
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Your post did no such thing. You offered no proof at all that electric was cheaper than gas. Your opinion is not proof.
We can play battling links all day long if you want but I like this one.
How much does heat cost in the US
http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/heating-cost-comparison
Of course prices are regional and subject to change.
I had to look this up just to be sure and found that:
Electric is cheaper to install and maintain. It is also not as dangerous since it does not produce CO gas nor has the potential to cause an explosion.
Gas and oil is cheaper when it comes to paying for the energy, although requires more maintenance. I also read that the furnaces need to be replaced more often, although my boiler is 40 years old, so I find this to be a conflicting statement.
Wood is a pain in the ass, and literally any source of heat is more convenient. Welcome to the 21st century Robert.
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My problem is more general than that. The founders of our Constitution wanted a very very weak central government. They gave certain powers to the central government. Making war, making treaties, coining money, running a post office, regulating interstate commerce, and international relations. They wanted to leave the living of life and all the rules and regulations people might want to each of the individual states where the residents could decide how they wanted to live. That's why we have 50 states with 50 constitutions 50 governors and 50 legislatures to decide on local laws. Also, 50 judiciaries to decide constitutional issues within their state. People have different cultures and feelings in different parts of the country. Each state can rule itself the way it wants. That's a better system in my opinion. What's happened over the years, the federal government has expanded its power way beyond which is necessary proper or good for the country. The Supreme Court has allowed that to happen.
The analysis breaks down when you talk about individual liberties that are given by the Constitution. There is no explicit language regarding abortion anywhere in the Constitution. I'm an atheist and believe that a woman in consultation with her doctor has a right to do what ever she wants. I don't believe that life is created at conception. Why should any state have the right to regulate what is a medical procedure? I'm fine with not using government funds to pay for abortions as Planned Parenthood would pick those up. Most health insurance policies cover them.
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I wish he would forget his twitter password, everyday.
Pretty hard to do as he uses his birthday.
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I had to look this up just to be sure and found that:
Electric is cheaper to install and maintain. It is also not as dangerous since it does not produce CO gas nor has the potential to cause an explosion.
Gas and oil is cheaper when it comes to paying for the energy, although requires more maintenance. I also read that the furnaces need to be replaced more often, although my boiler is 40 years old, so I find this to be a conflicting statement.
Wood is a pain in the ass, and literally any source of heat is more convenient.
Correct. Gas ovens and cook tops vent directly into your house and generate CO2. Gas furnaces have a lifetime of 15 or so years. The new ones are very effcient. We had a new Lenox furnace installed four years ago and they have a 10 year parts and service warranty so they must be confident about the build quality. Formerly we had a Carrier unit that was a piece of crap. Very poor blower motor that had to be replaced twice along with the master circuit board once. We had that one for 13 years. Gas water heaters have a life of 20 years and in our area have to be vented to the outside of the house.
I suspect an efficient boiler for steam radiators may be best but those are only in older buildings.
EDIT ADDED: I should have noted that electric heat pumps are awful if the temperatures drop below 40 degrees. They will really light up your electric bill if you rely on it for heat in a cold climate.
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So you want to be the one to decide when, where, and how a woman obtains an abortion? But maybe we are on the same page. Maybe we should leave the federal, state, and local governments out of it. Let the woman decide.
A lot of people say that we have given the government too much power. Usually they are the ones who don't like something the government has done. They never complain about having given the government too much power when the government does something they like.
Since I mentioned abortion, here is an example. Say you know a Catholic motorcycle rider. The legislature passes a law that says he has to wear a helmet. We'll you know what's going to happen. He is going to dress up in his camo, grab his AR15, and ride his motorcycle down to the capitol without a helmet, and exercise his First Amendment right to bitch and moan about having to wear a helmet and about the government having too much power, and generally scaring people because he has a gun, and it looks like he is going to lose it any minute now. Next day the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. You ask him what he thinks about that and he says it is a perfectly acceptable use of government power. I am sure you can think up other examples, but a Catholic motorcycle rider was the first thing that popped into my head.
First, Roe is not getting overturned. Thomas is the only one we can say for sure would vote to overturn it. Perhaps Alito and Kavanaugh, and, now, Barrett would as well, but we have no idea. O'Connor said she was pro-life before getting on the court and then changed her opinion, so who knows. Given Gorsuch's recent decision in Bostock v. Clayton County, I doubt he would vote to overturn. That leaves Roberts as the last "conservative" and we know he wont overturn it using his common excuse of protecting the integrity of the court. So, worse case, it would be a 5-4 vote against overturning it.
Now, even if it did get overturned, the ruling would not outlaw abortion, but just merely send it back to the states. Every blue state would make it legal. Red states would try to make it illegal, but many would get pulled into quagmires and stall out. For the few states who do outlaw it, easy solution, move to another state if it bothers you.
I also would like to add that legal scholars on both sides agree the argument for Roe was very weak, and Dems have known this for 60 years. Where was the movement to get an actual law on the books? As I alluded to in another post, Brown vs Board ... did not stop the civil rights act from being pursued.
Also, if Roe was overturned, this would not be giving power to the government, but taking it away. Abortion is not specifically stated in the constitution, so there is no right to it. Yet the SCOTUS took power away from the states in Roe's ruling. Overruling it would give power back to the states and people to decide. That is how this thing is suppose to work. As I stated above, if you feel it should be a right, get a bill passed making it a right, case closed.
Last, the fact that Republicans are against abortion I do find contradictory to the idea of their ideals of negative rights, meaning we should leave people alone to decide what to do with their property, even if it means some may choose to do immoral actions. To me, in this instance, this means we should allow women to choose what to do with their bodies (property) and accept immoral actions may be committed by some.
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Correct. Gas ovens and cook tops vent directly into your house and generate CO2. Gas furnaces have a lifetime of 15 or so years. The new ones are very effcient. We had a new Lenox furnace installed four years ago and they have a 10 year parts and service warranty so they must be confident about the build quality. Formerly we had a Carrier unit that was a piece of crap. Very poor blower motor that had to be replaced twice along with the master circuit board once. We had that one for 13 years. Gas water heaters have a life of 20 years and in our area have to be vented to the outside of the house.
I suspect an efficient boiler for steam radiators may be best but those are only in older buildings.
EDIT ADDED: I should have noted that electric heat pumps are awful if the temperatures drop below 40 degrees. They will really light up your electric bill if you rely on it for heat in a cold climate.
I love my radiators! Water though not steam.
I had a friend actually pay a plumber $15K to install a radiator system in his house because he hated force hot air so much.
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Abortion is not specifically stated in the constitution, so there is no right to it. Yet the SCOTUS took power away from the states in Roe's ruling. Overruling it would give power back to the states and people to decide. That is how this thing is suppose to work. As I stated above, if you feel it should be a right, get a bill passed making it a right, case closed.
I don't recall seeing an explicit right to breath in the Constitution either, but I bet even an originalist could figure it out. Or an explicit right to clip your toenails. Do you really need to get a bill passed in the state legislature making it a right to clip your toenails? Maybe the nail salon lobby gets a bill passed that only nail salon personnel have the right to clip your toenails? What would you say then? I think even I could do the necessary mental gymnastics to infer an inalienable right to clip my toenails that even Justice Scalia would agree with. I might even be able to extend that to personal hygiene in general. I mean my wife cuts my hair now, so is it back to the state legislature for a bill for that too? Now that I think about it, I also don't remember seeing an explicit right not to have to wear a mask, but I could be mistaken. Maybe all the guys in camo with their guns could stop protesting and get to work on a bill for that.
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I don't recall seeing an explicit right to breath in the Constitution either, but I bet even an originalist could figure it out. Or an explicit right to clip your toenails. Do you really need to get a bill passed in the state legislature making it a right to clip your toenails? Maybe the nail salon lobby gets a bill passed that only nail salon personnel have the right to clip your toenails? What would you say then? I think even I could do the necessary mental gymnastics to infer an inalienable right to clip my toenails that even Justice Scalia would agree with. I also don't remember seeing an explicit right not to have to wear a mask, but I could be mistaken. Maybe all the guys in camo with their guns could stop protesting and get to work on a bill for that.
Ahhh, conveniently leaving out my last line on how I find the anti-abortion movement to be contrary to negative rights championed by the right to prove a point.
Thanks.
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Ahhh, conveniently leaving out my last line on how I find the anti-abortion movement to be contrary to negative rights championed by the right to prove a point.
Perhaps you could expound on why you think that a woman's right to an abortion is a negative right.
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Perhaps you could expound on why you think that a woman's right to an abortion is a negative right.
I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and/or have never heard of the concept of negative and positive rights. Here are some definitions.
Negative rights: (or negative freedoms) means freedom from something. ... Examples of negative rights are the right to live, to be free, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from violence, freedom from slavery, and property rights.
Positive rights: an obligation by others to provide some benefit to the rights holder. ...
A positive right obliges others to provide benefits, while a negative right only obliges others to avoid interfering with someone's liberty. I am a strong negative rights person, and highly suspect of positive rights.
I do not mean that the right to have an abortion is negative, just that it is a "negative right."
In the ideal of negative rights, people are left to freely choose what to do with their property. Therefore women, under this ideal (I feel at least), should have the right to choose what to do with their body.
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I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying, and/or have never heard of the concept of negative and positive rights. Here are some definitions.
Negative rights: (or negative freedoms) means freedom from something. ... Examples of negative rights are the right to live, to be free, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from violence, freedom from slavery, and property rights.
Positive rights: an obligation by others to provide some benefit to the rights holder. ...
A positive right obliges others to provide benefits, while a negative right only obliges others to avoid interfering with someone's liberty. I am a strong negative rights person, and highly suspect of positive rights.
I do not mean that the right to have an abortion is negative, just that it is a "negative right."
In the ideal of negative rights, people are left to freely choose what to do with their property. Therefore women, under this ideal (I feel at least), should have the right to choose what to do with their body.
I can read Wikipedia as well as the next guy. Believe it or not, I actually read about negative and positive rights before I responded, though I do not claim to be an expert.
As I understood you, in the next to the last paragraph of your post, you argued that I had to get a bill passed in the state legislature to give women the right to an abortion since it was not explicitly stated in the Constitution. Did I misunderstand you?
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The analysis breaks down when you talk about individual liberties that are given by the Constitution. There is no explicit language regarding abortion anywhere in the Constitution. I'm an atheist and believe that a woman in consultation with her doctor has a right to do what ever she wants. I don't believe that life is created at conception. Why should any state have the right to regulate what is a medical procedure? I'm fine with not using government funds to pay for abortions as Planned Parenthood would pick those up. Most health insurance policies cover them.
Your response is very confusing. First, I never mentioned abortion. I was speaking in general terms. Second, if abortion is not mentioned in the constitution as an individual liberty as you stated, why did the Supreme Court even rule on it? Shouldn't they have left it to each individual state to decide? That was the policy before Roe. Finally, what does you being an atheist have to do with anything? No one is accusing atheists of being immoral or moral. In any case, lawsuits are not determined based on the bible but rather on the constitution.
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Of course abortion is an issue in the election. Just wanted to mention that or this thread might get shut down too. :)
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I can read Wikipedia as well as the next guy.
As I understood you, in the next to the last paragraph of your post, you argued that I had to get a bill passed in the state legislature to give women the right to an abortion since it was not explicitly stated in the Constitution. Did I misunderstand you?
In my ideal world, it would not matter. It should be automatic.
However, I take you as a positive rights kind of guy, and certainly the entirety of the Democratic party is, and positive rights need to be listed out and enforced. So, from a critical stand point, if you are a positive rights kind of person, it is a contradiction to just insist the right to an abortion is an inherent right. So get a bill passed damn it!
With that said, those who are for negative rights but still oppose abortion are being contradictory as well. So plenty of ammo for both sides here.
I try to avoid contradictions, personally, in my political philosophy. I support negative rights, and therefore cant see a reason to not support abortion rights (for the first two trimesters at least).
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But anyway, back to the court and probably my favorite part of this.
Whenever the chief justice happens to vote with the minority, he loses his right to dictate who writes the opinion. Instead that right will go the most senior member of the majority.
So, in this court, if Roberts decides to vote with the liberals on a case and the conservatives win, Justice Clarence Thomas will get to choose who writes the opinion. ;)
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In my ideal world, it would not matter. It should be automatic.
However, I take you as a positive rights kind of guy, and certainly the entirety of the Democratic party is, and positive rights need to be listed out and enforced. So, from a critical stand point, if you are a positive rights kind of person, it is a contradiction to just insist the right to an abortion is an inherent right. So get a bill passed damn it!
With that said, those who are for negative rights but still oppose abortion are being contradictory as well. So plenty of ammo for both sides here.
I try to avoid contradictions, personally, in my political philosophy. I support negative rights, and therefore cant see a reason to not support abortion rights (for the first two trimesters at least).
I am neither a positive nor a negative rights guy. I am not an ideologue. I was trying to make sense of your argument. As I understood you, based on the next to last paragraph in your post, one would have to get a bill passed in the state legislature to confer the right to an abortion because the right was not explicitly enumerated in the constitution. Perhaps you confirm or deny that is your position.
Also, if Roe was overturned, this would not be giving power to the government, but taking it away. Abortion is not specifically stated in the constitution, so there is no right to it. Yet the SCOTUS took power away from the states in Roe's ruling. Overruling it would give power back to the states and people to decide. That is how this thing is suppose to work. As I stated above, if you feel it should be a right, get a bill passed making it a right, case closed.
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I don't recall seeing an explicit right to breath in the Constitution either, but I bet even an originalist could figure it out. Or an explicit right to clip your toenails. Do you really need to get a bill passed in the state legislature making it a right to clip your toenails? Maybe the nail salon lobby gets a bill passed that only nail salon personnel have the right to clip your toenails? What would you say then? I think even I could do the necessary mental gymnastics to infer an inalienable right to clip my toenails that even Justice Scalia would agree with. I might even be able to extend that to personal hygiene in general. I mean my wife cuts my hair now, so is it back to the state legislature for a bill for that too? Now that I think about it, I also don't remember seeing an explicit right not to have to wear a mask, but I could be mistaken. Maybe all the guys in camo with their guns could stop protesting and get to work on a bill for that.
You've got it backwards. The constitution does not grant rights to people. All rights to do what we please are inherently granted by God as the constitution states or let's say natural rights if you're an atheist. Individuals decide how they want to live. What the constitution does is grant certain enumerated powers to government such as coining money, regulating interstate commerce, creating an army and defending the country, making treaties, etc. These enumerated powers are all the power the government has. Everything else is left up to the individual states and individual people to decide whether it's not allowed. So if a state does not have any law against abortion, you can do it. The central national government should have no opinion on this at all. Also note that states don't give individuals rights either. Just like the US Constitution, you have those rights automatically even in your state. State laws take away these inherent rights; they don't grant them. There's no law that gives you the right to speed. There are only laws that prevent you from speeding. Absent the law, you can speed or not speed.
So getting back to breathing that you brought up. The constitution does not give the government the enumerated power to regulate breathing. Therefore, you can do what you want and I can do what I want about it. We each have the choice to breathe or not. :)
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I am neither a positive nor a negative rights guy. I am not an ideologue. I was trying to make sense of your argument. As I understood you, based on the next to last paragraph in your post, one would have to get a bill passed in the state legislature to confer the right to an abortion because the right was not explicitly enumerated in the constitution. Perhaps you confirm or deny that is your position.
No, I think it should just be inherent, regardless of what I think.
I am just pointing out this if you are of the left for positive rights, this makes no sense from that perspective. I was being critical of that side.
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I am neither a positive nor a negative rights guy. I am not an ideologue. I was trying to make sense of your argument. As I understood you, based on the next to last paragraph in your post, one would have to get a bill passed in the state legislature to confer the right to an abortion because the right was not explicitly enumerated in the constitution. Perhaps you confirm or deny that is your position.
Leaving aside Roe vs Wade for the moment, before it, every women had the right to an abortion. It was never granted anywheres. However, certain states had laws against abortion. Like I said in my last post, you automatically have a right as long as there's no law against it. Rights are not granted. You got them.
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You've got it backwards. The constitution does not grant rights to people. All rights to do what we please are inherently granted by God as the constitution states or let's say natural rights if you're an atheist. Individuals decide how they want to live. What the constitution does is grant certain enumerated powers to government such as coining money, regulating interstate commerce, creating an army and defending the country, making treaties, etc. These enumerated powers are all the power the government has. Everything else is left up to the individual states and individual people to decide whether it's not allowed. So if a state does not have any law against abortion, you can do it.
That last line is interesting. If that were true, why did it used to be so difficult to obtain abortions?
If a state has a law against abortion, doesn't it make sense that lawsuits were brought about to try and change that if people thought it was incorrect to make it illegal? Isn't it kind of inevitable that the Supreme Court should end up hearing arguments about that?
In this context, why are some drugs illegal? Why is it the government's business what you choose to ingest in the privacy of your own home?
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That last line is interesting. If that were true, why did it used to be so difficult to obtain abortions?
If a state has a law against abortion, doesn't it make sense that lawsuits were brought about to try and change that if people thought it was incorrect to make it illegal? Isn't it kind of inevitable that the Supreme Court should end up hearing arguments about that?
In this context, why are some drugs illegal? Why is it the government's business what you choose to ingest in the privacy of your own home?
There were lawsuits that claimed state laws against abortions were illegal. These laws went through the court system in the particular state. However, the courts in those states determine that it was not unconstitutional for their state to have laws against abortion. What happened next was in the case of Roe vs. Wade, (I don't recall what state it was originally sued in), the SUpreme Court decided that there was an inherent right of woman to get an abortion and overruled the state that originally said it was a legal law in accordance with their state constitution. (Every state has it's own constitution). Since the US Constitution is primary, the Supreme Court overruled the state's supreme court. Once done, no other state can make abortion illegal.
The issue that's been fought over the years, is whether the US Constitution had any stipulation in their that gave this right to women. Such as the government can stop free speech which is specifically enumerated in the constitution, right to bear arms, etc. There's nothing there about abortion or so many claim. However, the justices at the time culled this interpretation from the constitution. I don;t, know off hand what their rationale was but you can look it up.
YOur argument for drugs is such that the Supreme Court has allowed states to regulate drugs. They so far haven't found anything in the constitution that gives them the right to overrule state regulation on this matter. But they did find the rationale with abortions. Of course there seems to be an inconsistency. As many have argued, in neither case is there really anything preventing states to regulate either drugs or abortion. It's why this has been a fight for so many years. But it is in fact a decision that's 60 years old. I doubt if i will be reversed, even by the new justice.
Of course, the argument on the street in the election has to do with the moral and ethics behind it one way or the other. But actually, the constitution is past that point. Justices have to decide on what the constitution says, for any case, and not their personal ethics, religious or moral beliefs in making a decision.
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No, I think it should just be inherent, regardless of what I think.
I am just pointing out this if you are of the left for positive rights, this makes no sense from that perspective. I was being critical of that side.
So if you think the right should be inherent and not require a bill in the state legislature, why did you write the next to the last paragraph in your post expressing the opposite opinion?
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Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?
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Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?
Some agent at the FBI is using it to Photoshop his pictures.
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Speaking of Hunter Biden, I have been away from the story for a couple of days, so I headed on over to Breitbart, which is right-leaning and was recommended to me by others here, and where there were quite a few stories last week, and I found exactly one story reporting that a Rasmussen poll said 54% of those polled thought Joe Biden benefited from Hunter Biden's deals. Rasmussen polls tend to be favorable to Trump so that was not much of a surprise. But that was it. What's going on? What is the status of the laptop, hard drive, and thousands of emails, photos and videos?
MSM blackout. Watch Tucker tonight. He has Bobblehead on for the hour.
Of course the the Hunter sex tapes are out, a Russian honey pot photo spread and a few more things. It’s there but hard to find.
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MSM blackout. Watch Tucker tonight. He has Bobblehead on for the hour.
Is Breitbart MSM now?
Of course the the Hunter sex tapes are out, a Russian honey pot photo spread and a few more things. It’s there but hard to find.
Why?
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Is Breitbart MSM now?
Why?
Are you old enough to look at those pictures?
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Are you old enough to look at those pictures?
Probably too old.
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Probably too old.
Me too.
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I love my radiators! Water though not steam.
I had a friend actually pay a plumber $15K to install a radiator system in his house because he hated force hot air so much.
I wonder if radiators are even installed in new builds these days. I think radiant heated tile floors are an option but they are quite pricey.
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Your response is very confusing. First, I never mentioned abortion. I was speaking in general terms. Second, if abortion is not mentioned in the constitution as an individual liberty as you stated, why did the Supreme Court even rule on it? Shouldn't they have left it to each individual state to decide? That was the policy before Roe. Finally, what does you being an atheist have to do with anything? No one is accusing atheists of being immoral or moral. In any case, lawsuits are not determined based on the bible but rather on the constitution.
The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it. Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions. I believe New York may have been the first on that did. I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.
I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.
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Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets. I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it. Doesn't this imply that the story if phony. Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.
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Is Breitbart MSM now?
Why?
The last story I saw on Breitbart was from yesterday, but I may have missed some. There are a couple of related articles on the WSJ.
The rest of the media....gone fishing. News cycle has moved on...days to the election. But bobblehead is pretty impressive on Tucker.
Why. Sensationalism.
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Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets. I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it. Doesn't this imply that the story if phony. Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.
Rudy has his hands full dealing with his appearance in the most recent Borat movie. You don't want to know. But if you do, just google it. I am watching it right now. I am in about 30 minutes with another hour to go. I don't know if I can make it to the end when Giuliani appears. May have to take it a half hour at a time.
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Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets. I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it. Doesn't this imply that the story if phony. Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.
I think they requested it and he said he would not give it to them but would make it available for them to see. It appears they chose not to do that.
Quite frankly I would not give them the drive either. But that’s just me because I would not trust them as far as I could throw their buildings.
To me it implies Rudy didn’t trust them either. Other outlets got access to the drive.
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The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it. Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions. I believe New York may have been the first on that did. I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.
I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.
You don't have to be religious to have moral or ethical codes. You have these codes even though you say you're an atheist. So why assume people are against abortion only because they're religious? Even many people who don't want laws against abortion find the whole process pretty revolting.
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The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it. Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions. I believe New York may have been the first on that did. I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.
I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.
I'm sure the numbers would be different today without Roe. Certainly less states that it would be illegal.
The legal position prior to Roe v. Wade was that abortion was illegal in 30 states and legal under certain circumstances in 20 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States
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Why did not Rudy Giuliani provide the laptop image to MSM outlets. I know the WaPo and NY Times both requested it. Doesn't this imply that the story if phony. Why not let everyone have a look and do the forensics.
I'm confused. Doesn't the FBI have the machine?
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The last story I saw on Breitbart was from yesterday, but I may have missed some. There are a couple of related articles on the WSJ.
The rest of the media....gone fishing. News cycle has moved on...days to the election. But bobblehead is pretty impressive on Tucker.
Why. Sensationalism.
Get Trump. Protect Biden.
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I'm confused. Doesn't the FBI have the machine?
Allegedly. Last week the FBI declined to comment. Maybe something has changed since then.
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Allegedly. Last week the FBI declined to comment. Maybe something has changed since then.
There is a copy of the order to computer guy to give the laptop to the FBI. Need more?
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There is a copy of the order to computer guy to give the laptop to the FBI. Need more?
Has the order been authenticated? Did he actually give it to the FBI? Did he get a receipt? You know, the basic stuff.
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I'm missing something. If the FBI has it, how does Rudy still have it too?
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Has the order been authenticated? Did he actually give it to the FBI? Did he get a receipt? You know, the basic stuff.
Well the signature is a valid agents signature, Ratcliff said the laptop is not Russian disinformation.
FBI confirms Biden laptop
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-confirms-hunter-bidens-laptop-says-story-not-russian-disinformation-report/
That the first link that came up so...
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I'm missing something. If the FBI has it, how does Rudy still have it too?
Allegedly, the computer guy made a copy of the hard drive and gave it Giuliani.
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Well the signature is a valid agents signature, Ratcliff said the laptop is not Russian disinformation.
FBI confirms Biden laptop
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-confirms-hunter-bidens-laptop-says-story-not-russian-disinformation-report/
That the first link that came up so...
The article says the FBI reportedly confirmed that they had the laptop. Some guy named Jake Gibson tweeted that the FBI had the laptop.
I don't find Ratcliffe credible, so I'll wait to see something more definitive. Besides, saying it wasn’t Russia isn’t saying very much. Could be Iran or Giuliani or someone else.
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The article says the FBI reportedly confirmed that they had the laptop. Some guy named Jake Gibson tweeted that the FBI had the laptop.
I don't find Ratcliffe credible, so I'll wait to see something more definitive.
He's as credible as ex-DNI Director Clapper who acknowledge he lied to the senate, called Trump a Russian asset after acknowledging the CIA, FBI and other agencies had no evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia. Of course he worked for Obama, so you know the story.
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So if you think the right should be inherent and not require a bill in the state legislature, why did you write the next to the last paragraph in your post expressing the opposite opinion?
Let me blunt.
I am pro-choice for the first two trimester at least. I think my philosophy of negative rights implies this. However, many of my fellow Republicans would disagree with me and I know I will not change their minds. This is not a pivotal issue for me, so I will not leaving my party over this issue. Which means I know I will not be able to effect this change.
So, if Biden and the Dems win, get off your asses and pass a damn bill!
Expend some political capital if you so strongly support it and put the issue to rest.
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He's as credible as ex-DNI Director Clapper who acknowledge he lied to the senate, called Trump a Russian asset after acknowledging the CIA, FBI and other agencies had no evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia. Of course he worked for Obama, so you know the story.
We have talked about this before. You are now saying Ratcliffe is as credible as Clapper, and Clapper isn’t credible because he lied to the Senate. So I guess you are saying Ratcliffe isn’t credible either.
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Let me blunt.
I am pro-choice for the first two trimester at least. I think my philosophy of negative rights implies this. However, many of my fellow Republicans would disagree with me and I know I will not change their minds. This is not a pivotal issue for me, so I will not leaving my party over this issue. Which means I know I will not be able to effect this change.
So, if Biden and the Dems win, get off your asses and pass a damn bill!
Expend some political capital if you so strongly support it and put the issue to rest.
In my opinion, any bill from COngress about this issue would be unconstitutional. There's no authority in it for congress to write law on it. It would be like COngress writing a law that outlaws spitting on the sidewalk. This is a state's rights issue for them to determine. OF course there's no accounting what a Supreme Court might call legal especially if the Democrats pack the court.
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The article says the FBI reportedly confirmed that they had the laptop. Some guy named Jake Gibson tweeted that the FBI had the laptop.
I don't find Ratcliffe credible, so I'll wait to see something more definitive. Besides, saying it wasn’t Russia isn’t saying very much. Could be Iran or Giuliani or someone else.
Your mileage may vary from mine. I’ve seen far too many documents on multiple peoples devices, I’ve seen Hunters attorneys email asking for the computer back, and of course no denials at all from the Biden camp,saying the laptop is a fake.
It’s real, IMO. If it’s not for you, more power to you.
Bobblehead put the nail in their coffin tonight IMO.
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Let me blunt.
I am pro-choice for the first two trimester at least. I think my philosophy of negative rights implies this. However, many of my fellow Republicans would disagree with me and I know I will not change their minds. This is not a pivotal issue for me, so I will not leaving my party over this issue. Which means I know I will not be able to effect this change.
So, if Biden and the Dems win, get off your asses and pass a damn bill!
Expend some political capital if you so strongly support it and put the issue to rest.
Your next to last paragraph and last paragraph are inconsistent. I was just trying to figure out which you believed. Obviously your next to last paragraph isn’t very convincing.
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I wonder if radiators are even installed in new builds these days. I think radiant heated tile floors are an option but they are quite pricey.
They are still commonplace in England. I ordered a new modern style radiator when I redid my kitchen to save space and match the style. It shipped from England.
Unfortunately the spud design (how the radiator hooks up to the pipes internally) in England is different then in the USA and it was a bit of an issue installing it.
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We have talked about this before. You are now saying Ratcliffe is as credible as Clapper, and Clapper isn’t credible because he lied to the Senate. So I guess you are saying a Ratcliffe isn’t credible either.
I didn't write it clearly. I meant to explain that Radcliff is more credible than Obama's DNI who lied to the Senate and claimed a Trump-Russia collusion when there wasn't any.
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They are still commonplace in England. I ordered a new modern style radiator when I redid my kitchen to save space and match the style. It shipped from England.
Unfortunately the spud design (how the radiator hooks up to the pipes internally) in England is different then in the USA and it was a bit of an issue installing it.
Hot water baseboard is very nice heat as well. We looked at a couple of homes with it, but they were not the right homes for us.
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They are still commonplace in England. I ordered a new modern style radiator when I redid my kitchen to save space and match the style. It shipped from England.
Unfortunately the spud design (how the radiator hooks up to the pipes internally) in England is different then in the USA and it was a bit of an issue installing it.
Well, what do you expect? They drive on the wrong side of the street. :)
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The Supreme Court had to rule on it because a court case came before it. Before Roe, there were only a handful of states that allowed abortions. I believe New York may have been the first on that did. I remember someone in grad school at Indiana buying a woman a plane ticket to NY to get one (this was 1970) as there was no place in the Midwest that permitted it.
I raise the issue of being an atheist as many religions have their own codes that they would like to impose on others.
"God is dead. And we killed him."
It is one of the most depressing philosophies I have ever read. Although I cant see giving into adopting a religion personally, it is hard to ignore the fact that the entirety of all moralities has stemmed from religions. Nietzsche predicted nihilism would eventually follow from the abandonment of religion, and given the current actions happening on the street, I am finding it hard to disagree with.
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Hot water baseboard is very nice heat as well. We looked at a couple of homes with it, but they were not the right homes for us.
Not going to lie though, it is amazing how expensive radiators are. A new radiator cost me $700, and that is not including the installation cost.
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Hot water baseboard is very nice heat as well. We looked at a couple of homes with it, but they were not the right homes for us.
In the community we live in, we saw one house before buying where they put in either baseboard or radiant supposedly to reduce the amount of dry air in the winter that you get with a forced air HVAC system. We didn't take their house but got one with the standard ducted systems. It has evaporative humidifiers on the air flow. But I measured it and never could see the difference on or off with the amount of humidity, probably because its capacity was too small. So I shut it off as I was concerned that dampness in the ducts creates mold which is worse than dry air. If Biden wins, maybe we can get him to pay for humidification installation rebates if we can convince him it's "green".
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In the community we live in, we saw one house before buying where they put in either baseboard or radiant supposedly to reduce the amount of dry air in the winter that you get with a forced air HVAC system. We didn't take their house but got one with the standard ducted systems. It has evaporative humidifiers on the air flow. But I measured it and never could see the difference on or off with the amount of humidity, probably because its capacity was too small. So I shut it off as I was concerned that dampness in the ducts creates mold which is worse than dry air. If Biden wins, maybe we can get him to pay for humidification installation rebates if we can convince him it's "green".
I have a Trane dual stage system with a humidifier. I’ve never measured the humidity. Higher humidity might help with keeping COVID away. Sorry wrong thread. A new tax package from whoever wins the election for more humidifiers would be a good thing 😎
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Well, what do you expect? They drive on the wrong side of the street. :)
Another tangent. Do you know why England drives on the left? It is due to sword fights.
You see, if you are fighting with swords, it is best to march past an opposing army on the left side. This is because you draw with your right hand from your left side in the direction of your right side. So, if you are marching on the left and need to fight a passing army on the right, you can draw your sword and slash your enemy in one continuous motion. So, when everyone fought with swords, people always passed on the left.
Then rifles became commonplace.
You see, if you are fighting with a rifle over our right shoulder and needed to attack on the fly, you would drop the rifle stock into your left hand, put your right hand around the trigger and pull the butt up to your right shoulder. Doing this in a fluid motion would have you aiming to your left at first. So, Napoleon eventually realized that switching the side an army marched on would give him a tactical advantage, and eventually every army followed suit, except England. England, being sea locked, never had a large army and relied on its navy for protection, so there was no point in adopting it. Then cars were invented.
I also just found out why men stopped wearing dresses (everyone wore dresses at first) and started wearing pants. That's quite interesting too, with war and religion mixed in.
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There's a pretty coherent stream of thought that Roe v. Wade was not a good decision for women's rights advocates or the Democratic Party. This stream would argue that states were slowly, one by one, allowing abortion, and that at the time of Roe v. Wade some 20 states allowed some forms of abortion for some reasons (New York allowed them purely as a choice.) There wasn't a legal question as to whether this was permissible -- it was seen as something the states could permit if they chose. By passing Roe v. Wade, conservative politicians were given a shield to hide behind -- "We're against abortion, but what can we do after the Supreme Court has spoken?" So abortion became a practical non-issue for female voters, while remaining important for a group of single-issue voters who attached themselves to the Republicans who promoted the "We're against it, but what can we do?" line. If the Republicans had had to deal with the issue straight up -- vote for it or against it -- they may have had to face the wrath of large numbers of normally Republican suburban women. But, they didn't have to deal with the issue. If the new Court overthrows Roe v. Wade, there's going to be hell to pay in narrowly divided states where Republicans will be forced to choose between going with their anti-abortion base and offending large numbers of smart women voters.
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Not going to lie though, it is amazing how expensive radiators are. A new radiator cost me $700, and that is not including the installation cost.
When I was a kid living in The Bronx on the top floor of a 6 floor apartment building, we had one pipe steam radiators. Since it was often colder on the top floor because the steam had trouble getting up there due to low pressure, you'd take a hammer and bang on the radiator to signal the superintendent in the basement that you're cold. He'd turn up the heat by adding more coal to the boiler. My friend's father who lived next door, used to put a saucepan with water heating in it up on top of the radiator to help add humidity to the dry apartment air. Air conditioning was a 24" exhaust fan and a window open at the other end of the apartment. Now we got a 7 day 24 hour thermostat automatically controlling a ducted HVAC heating and cooling system and my wife complains when the temperature dips a degree or two.
But I still use film. :)
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I have a Trane dual stage system with a humidifier. I’ve never measured the humidity. Higher humidity might help with keeping COVID away. Sorry wrong thread. A new tax package from whoever wins the election for more humidifiers would be a good thing 😎
Yes. If you want free humidification, you have to vote for Biden. Go Green. :)
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When I was a kid living in The Bronx on the top floor of a 6 floor apartment building, we had one pipe steam radiators. Since it was often colder on the top floor because the steam had trouble getting up there due to low pressure, you'd take a hammer and bang on the radiator to signal the superintendent in the basement that you're cold. He'd turn up the heat by adding more coal to the boiler. My friend's father who lived next door, used to put a saucepan with water heating in it up on top of the radiator to help add humidity to the dry apartment air. Air conditioning was a 24" exhaust fan and a window open at the other end of the apartment. Now we got a 7 day 24 hour thermostat automatically controlling a ducted HVAC heating and cooling system and my wife complains when the temperature dips a degree or two.
But I still use film. :)
I grew up with forced hot air, but then lived with radiator heat starting at 18. When my wife and I bought out house, we had so much stuff done to i we could not live in it for the first three months and stayed with my in-laws. This was from October to January, and they have forced hot air. It was like moving into a dessert. I don't know how you do it!
Waking up in the middle of the night with dry throats and noses completely crusted inside, skin that was lacking of any moisture.
If given the choice between central a/c in the summer or radiators in the winter, I'd take the latter every day of the year.
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Another tangent. Do you know why England drives on the left? It is due to sword fights.
You see, if you are fighting with swords, it is best to march past an opposing army on the left side. This is because you draw with your right hand from your left side in the direction of your right side. So, if you are marching on the left and need to fight a passing army on the right, you can draw your sword and slash your enemy in one continuous motion. So, when everyone fought with swords, people always passed on the left.
Then rifles became commonplace.
You see, if you are fighting with a rifle over our right shoulder and needed to attack on the fly, you would drop the rifle stock into your left hand, put your right hand around the trigger and pull the butt up to your right shoulder. Doing this in a fluid motion would have you aiming to your left at first. So, Napoleon eventually realized that switching the side an army marched on would give him a tactical advantage, and eventually every army followed suit, except England. England, being sea locked, never had a large army and relied on its navy for protection, so there was no point in adopting it. Then cars were invented.
I also just found out why men stopped wearing dresses (everyone wore dresses at first) and started wearing pants. That's quite interesting too, with war and religion mixed in.
I didn't know knights drove cars in England.
On another note, if knights marched on the left, why did they charge their horses at each other on the right when jousting? What if they had to switch to swords right in the middle?
In any case, I think Biden and Trump should have a sword fight to see who becomes president. We'd all save a lot of money and aggravation and years of campaigning putting everyone on edge. The only problem I see is they'll have to use 6 foot swords which might be a little heavy for two old men.
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I grew up with forced hot air, but then lived with radiator heat starting at 18. When my wife and I bought out house, we had so much stuff done to i we could not live in it for the first three months and stayed with my in-laws. This was from October to January, and they have forced hot air. It was like moving into a dessert. I don't know how you do it!
Waking up in the middle of the night with dry throats and noses completely crusted inside, skin that was lacking of any moisture.
If given the choice between central a/c in the summer or radiators in the winter, I'd take the latter every day of the year.
And I thought my skin was looking like crepe paper because I'm getting old. I think I'll have to borrow my wife's skin cream.
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I didn't know knights drove cars in England.
On another note, if knights marched on the left, why did they charge their horses at each other on the right when jousting? What if they had to switch to swords right in the middle?
In any case, I think Biden and Trump should have a sword fight to see who becomes president. We'd all save a lot of money and aggravation and years of campaigning putting everyone on edge. The only problem I see is they'll have to use 6 foot swords which might be a little heavy for two old men.
If you are right handed, you hold the joust with your right hand and shield with your left. You cant protect yourself if you pass someone on the left since your shield would be opposite your opponent. So it was better to pass them on the right so as to be able to actually use your shield.
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If you are right handed, you hold the joust with your right hand and shield with your left. You cant protect yourself if you pass someone on the left since your shield would be opposite your opponent. So it was better to pass them on the right so as to be able to actually use your shield.
Ah. That makes sense. But why doesn't the same thing apply to knights with a sword and shield? Same difference. The shield would be on the left and wrong side if they marched on the left.
I think I'd rather see Biden and Trump jousting on horses. This reminds me of a great scene in the movie, Patton. The famous WWII American general and tank commander was in Africa in the desert. I think he was talking to his chief of staff explaining how wars were sometimes fought in antiquity. He said the leaders of both sides would fight each other to the death as their armies watched and the winner's side would win the war. So he told his chief of staff that what he would like is to fight the German tank commander General Rommel to the death. Each of them would lock themselves up in their tanks and fight to the death and WWII would be decided on the outcome. Very romantic general. I think he was reincarnated from one of those knights in armor. Biden and Trump doing something like that would be great. Who needs elections?
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Biden needs Pennsylvania and this doesn't help him.
‘A Total Loss’: Looting Continues For 2nd Night In Philadelphia (Pennsylvania) Following Fatal Police Shooting Of Walter Wallace Jr.
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/10/27/looting-continues-for-2nd-night-in-philadelphia-following-fatal-police-shooting-of-walter-wallace-jr/
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Some articles about the swing state of Pennsylvania and looting.
Philadelphia police arrest 91 people during violent riots after shooting of armed Black man; 30 cops hurt
The fatal police shooting of a Black man allegedly armed with a knife in the western side of Philadelphia sparked violent protests overnight, with 91 people ...
22 hours ago
Sharif Proctor lifts his hands up in front of the police line during a Monday night protest in response to the police shooting of Walter Wallace Jr., in Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Police Department will increase its presence Tuesday night in anticipation of possible unrest. (Jessica Griffin/The Philadelphia Inquirer via AP)
National Guard deployed to Philadelphia
Authorities in Philidelphia were bracing for a second night of protests Tuesday following violent confrontations between angry demonstrators and police hours ...
4 hours ago
Sputnik International
Live Updates: Unrest Continues in Philadelphia, Police Warn About Looting
The protests started on Monday following the fatal shooting of a black citizen, and quickly grew into riots, with vandalism, looting, and clashes with police forces...
5 hours ago
International
Fox Business
Philadelphia stores closing early Tuesday amid unrest over police shooting
Stores across Philadelphia are closing early Tuesday to prepare for another night of unrest following the shooting of Walter Wallace, a 27-year-old Black man ...
3 hours ago
Pennsylvania Governor Orders National Guard to Philadelphia after Riots
Pennsylvania governor Tom Wolf ordered National Guardsmen to Philadelphia on Tuesday, following a night of riots that left 30 police officers injured and ...
5 hours ago
play_arrowOfficers observe a demonstration against racism and police violence taking place in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on June 3. On Tuesday, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said the department will not release names of officers involved in the shooting that led to 27-year-old Walter Wallace's death until a "threat assessment" is conducted.
Police Won't Release Names of Officers Involved in Walter Wallace Shooting Until 'Threat Assessment' Conducted
Philadelphia's police commissioner said the department plans to release the officers' names as long as doing so does not put their "safety at risk."
7 hours ago
The Post Millennial
BREAKING: National Guard mobilized amid Philadelphia riots
The National Guard is being mobilized amid the riots and civil unrest that have rocked Philadelphia since Monday night after the shooting death of Walter ...
5 hours ago
International
Trump ready to help Philadelphia police after 30 officers injured in riots: White House
President Trump is prepared to order federal intervention in Philadelphia after rioting erupted over a police shooting of a Black man wielding a knife, White ...
14 hours ago
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It’s real, IMO. If it’s not for you, more power to you.
Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what "it" turns out to be.
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I had serious doubts I could accomplish the feat, but I finished watching the Borat movie. It probably will not be up for an Oscar. I was only interested in it for Giuliani's starring role, which was mercifully brief. Unfortunately, he did not make his appearance until near the end, so some suffering was involved. Somehow, the director was able to sucker Giuliani into giving an interview about Trump's response to the coronavirus to a 24 year old actress playing the role of a 15 year old reporter for some unspecified foreign news agency who barely speaks English. Giuliani fell for it hook, line and sinker. Think about that for a minute. The interview took place in a hotel suite. Giuliani's demeanor and behavior during the interview portion of the scene can best be described as nauseating. Then, the interview was cut short, supposedly due to difficulties with the sound, and Giuliani and the 15 year old reporter adjourn to the adjacent bedroom, glasses of whiskey in hand. Giuliani ends up lying on the bed on his back with his hand down his pants. There is some dispute about what he was actually doing with his hand. At this point, the leading man jumps out of the armoire in what is perhaps some sort of transvestite or fetish outfit, I couldn't exactly say, and yells to Giuliani words to the effect of no, she's my 15 year old daughter, she's too old for you. Giuliani, befuddled, is helped off the bed and lead out of the suite where he is reunited with bodyguard (or whatever) who was standing guard in the hallway. Thus ends Giuliani's role. The scene cuts to the leading man and the 15 year old reporter exiting the hotel and running down the street. Did I mention the part about Giuliani thinking the above described scene was real, and not a scene from a farcical movie. I think I may have previously expressed my belief that Giuliani is whackadoodle. After watching this live action drama unfold, I can only say that I believe Giuliani is even whackadoodlier than I initially thought, or worse. No one in his right mind would ever take Giuliani seriously again, if they have done so before. As best as I can tell, Giuliani has been in hiding since the movie was released last week, working on an innocent explanation. He may be in hiding for a while. Unless, of course, in the interim his family has him committed.
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Finally some good news, the pandemic is over, https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/white-house-science-reporting-ending-pandemic_n_5f984ac2c5b66a9e1892a9b3 (https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/white-house-science-reporting-ending-pandemic_n_5f984ac2c5b66a9e1892a9b3).
We can breathe easy again. :)
(I thought the thread needed a change from a discussion of heating systems.)
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As media headlines go, this is screamingly funny, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/28/trump-wild-transition-433025 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/28/trump-wild-transition-433025).
What? Trump, do something weird?
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Biden needs Pennsylvania and this doesn't help him.
‘A Total Loss’: Looting Continues For 2nd Night In Philadelphia (Pennsylvania) Following Fatal Police Shooting Of Walter Wallace Jr.
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/10/27/looting-continues-for-2nd-night-in-philadelphia-following-fatal-police-shooting-of-walter-wallace-jr/
What drives me insane about this, is there are so many self aggrandized left wingers who think they are helping people by stoking the fires of the riots. They will insist it is for the good of the community, but really they are just there to get their latest euphoric rush that comes from destroying things. That's it; they are just there to revel in the sadistic pleasure of distruction.
Then, a week or two later, when the real misery starts and the neighborhood drops dead, stores move out with burnt out business left in the wake, residents suffering from not being to shop anymore for needed supplies, these woke white liberals are nowhere to be found.
They just move onto another neighborhood to burn never realizing the people they said they went to help are now eminently worse off then if they never showed up.
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Here's some more about Hunter, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131).
The implicit question in the article is a fair one to ask. It's suspicious that the narrative has now switched to the alleged "cover-up" instead of the real story. If Rudy or others have a smoking gun, why isn't it out there? For what are they waiting, the 2024 election? a slow news day?
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Here's some more about Hunter, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131).
The implicit question in the article is a fair one to ask. It's suspicious that the narrative has now switched to the alleged "cover-up" instead of the real story. If Rudy or others have a smoking gun, why isn't it out there? For what are they waiting, the 2024 election? a slow news day?
Some already believe that it is an open and shut case, and the Bidens should be locked up. Trump is encouraging chants to that effect at his rallies. If Trump wins, we will probably be having years of investigations, which is why if that occurs I will be cancelling my cable TV and moving to a cabin in the woods.
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Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what "it" turns out to be.
Bobulinski told us last night exactly what "it" is. Watch the youtube of Tucker from last night
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Here's some more about Hunter, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131).
The implicit question in the article is a fair one to ask. It's suspicious that the narrative has now switched to the alleged "cover-up" instead of the real story. If Rudy or others have a smoking gun, why isn't it out there? For what are they waiting, the 2024 election? a slow news day?
Actually I feel the supression is a far bigger story and it should worry every thinking American. Biden is a crook, but whats new, it appears most politicians are.
The news media trying to bury this to get Biden over the finish line is not a good thing for America. IMO
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I think they requested it and he said he would not give it to them but would make it available for them to see. It appears they chose not to do that.
Quite frankly I would not give them the drive either. But that’s just me because I would not trust them as far as I could throw their buildings.
To me it implies Rudy didn’t trust them either. Other outlets got access to the drive.
Why not just post everything on a website and let everyone examine it? Where is Wikileaks when we really need them? Why wouldn't you want full disclosure? this smacks of hypocrisy.
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Bobulinski told us last night exactly what "it" is. Watch the youtube of Tucker from last night
Just so you know, if the Bidens are found guilty of doing something illegal, I am perfectly fine with throwing them in jail. I won't shed any tears.
I'll take you up on your request to watch the Tucker Carlson interview of Bobulinski in the next couple of days. In exchange, I'll ask you to watch any hour long interview by Don Lemon over on CNN just so the suffering is equal.
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In my opinion, any bill from COngress about this issue would be unconstitutional. There's no authority in it for congress to write law on it.
This is nonsense. There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written. The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.
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"God is dead. And we killed him."
It is one of the most depressing philosophies I have ever read. Although I cant see giving into adopting a religion personally, it is hard to ignore the fact that the entirety of all moralities has stemmed from religions. Nietzsche predicted nihilism would eventually follow from the abandonment of religion, and given the current actions happening on the street, I am finding it hard to disagree with.
For me God died at Auschwitz. I think it was when I was 12 that we studied the Holocaust at our Synagogue school. It became apparent that not preventing the death of 6 million people was as persuasive an argument against God's existence as any. From that point on I was an unbeliever.
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I have a Trane dual stage system with a humidifier. I’ve never measured the humidity. Higher humidity might help with keeping COVID away. Sorry wrong thread. A new tax package from whoever wins the election for more humidifiers would be a good thing 😎
That is what we have though ours is a Lennox. The attached humidifier (Aprilaire) only gets the house up to 35% or so when it gets cold. That is not quite enough for the bedroom which is why we have an auxiliary one there.
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Why not just post everything on a website and let everyone examine it? Where is Wikileaks when we really need them? Why wouldn't you want full disclosure? this smacks of hypocrisy.
Good questions! I wondered about this myself. Could it be there are legal defamation issues involved when one discloses private emails and videos to the public? Such legal processes can take years to resolve.
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Good questions! I wondered about this myself. Could it be there are legal defamation issues involved when one discloses private emails and videos to the public? Such legal processes can take years to resolve.
As best as I can tell, that hasn't stopped anyone before. They are all over the news and the internet all the time.
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This is nonsense. There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written. The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.
It's just his opinion. I think the definition of opinion says it doesn't have to based on any knowledge or facts. No reason not to probe the opiner's thought process though.
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Just so you know, if the Bidens are found guilty of doing something illegal, I am perfectly fine with throwing them in jail. I won't shed any tears.
I'll take you up on your request to watch the Tucker Carlson interview of Bobulinski in the next couple of days. In exchange, I'll ask you to watch any hour long interview by Don Lemon over on CNN just so the suffering is equal.
Don Lemon is a step too far. 😎
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Actually I feel the supression is a far bigger story and it should worry every thinking American. Biden is a crook, but whats new, it appears most politicians are.
The news media trying to bury this to get Biden over the finish line is not a good thing for America. IMO
Possible I guess, but it's a reach imo. And anyway, which media are you talking about? Don't you think that Rudy, or someone, could have found a way to copy a hard drive by now and send the copy on over to Hannity or Tucker. Do you think they would be too shy or reticent to air any damning content? I mean, people are sending in mailed ballots right at this moment, don't they want the truth to get out to those people ASAP? What's the hold-up? Can't be that hard to "leak" stuff, happens all the time.
I find it hard to agree with your comment that a "cover-up" or "suppression" is now a bigger story than a Presidential candidate being outed as a crook. That's not credible to me.
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It's just his opinion. I think the definition of opinion says it doesn't have to based on any knowledge or facts.
Hmmm, interesting distinction. Maybe we need a new word to describe an opinion that's based on knowledge or facts, because as you say the old word "opinion" might mean something else now. This is how English evolves, I think. You may be onto something, maybe you're making linguistic history.
As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.
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Don Lemon is a step too far. 😎
Yeah, that's how I feel about Tucker. I don't resist watching the interview for fear about what Bobulinski might say.
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Possible I guess, but it's a reach imo. And anyway, which media are you talking about? Don't you think that Rudy, or someone, could have found a way to copy a hard drive by now and send the copy on over to Hannity or Tucker. Do you think they would be too shy or reticent to air any damning content? I mean, people are sending in mailed ballots right at this moment, don't they want the truth to get out to those people ASAP? What's the hold-up? Can't be that hard to "leak" stuff, happens all the time.
I find it hard to agree with your comment that a "cover-up" or "suppression" is now a bigger story than a Presidential candidate being outed as a crook. That's not credible to me.
Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street Journal. And yes they are reporting.
But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks? The NYT, The Washington Post etc. They are doing next to nothing. Why? Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story? NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time. Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story. IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3. They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years. It seems to me you are not paying attention.
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Yeah, that's how I feel about Tucker. I don't resist watching the interview for fear about what Bobulinski might say.
Quite frankly Bobblehead does most of the talking.
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As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.
Certainly this is what the President is trying to do in this rallies. Unfortunately for him, the number of infections keep going up which is not good news as we get close to the election. It's estimated that over 60% of the electorate has already voted. I don't think the number of undecided voters is all that high. It also looks as if third party candidates will do much worse this year. It is instructive to see where Republican campaign funds are being directed right now and it's entirely possible that the Democrats will add to their majority in the House.
Trump is spending all his time rallying his base but 40% won't win this election. The MAGA people are already decided. An ABC News/WaPo poll shows Biden up by 17 points in Wisconsin. Even if the margin of error is 4% this is really bad news for the Prez.
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As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.
It is simpler that that. Trump got bored with the whole thing at the end of April, especially when he saw all those two hour press conferences he was doing weren't exactly boosting his ratings. I think the injecting disinfectant into patients' lungs kerfuffle was the turning point.
I don't think you can parse Trump's words. He doesn't have a wide vocabulary and doesn't speak in complete sentences. A lot of times you don't have any idea what he is saying anyway. Maybe he does that so he can denying saying it. He was done fooling with it.
When he says the pandemic is over, he just means for him.
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Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street Journal. And yes they are reporting.
But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks? The NYT, The Washington Post etc. They are doing next to nothing. Why? Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story? NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time. Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story. IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3. They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years. It seems to me you are not paying attention.
I don't believe the WSJ news staff has written a story on the alleged computer. the only reporting that I've seen on Fox is from the op-ed people and not the mainstream news people on the network (and yes, I have looked). Your constant arguments about the MSM not doing anything is a phony argument. they have already reported that that appears to be doctored material and that they have requested and not received it. What else do you expect them to do? Would you cover a story like this in the absence of evidence? You cannot maintain such a standard with out being laughed off the newspaper floor.
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Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street Journal. And yes they are reporting.
But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks? The NYT, The Washington Post etc. They are doing next to nothing. Why? Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story? NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time. Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story. IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3. They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years. It seems to me you are not paying attention.
Who cares what the other networks are doing? If the truth is out and everyone knows it, they will either have egg on their faces or have to start reporting the same info. They can't hide forever.
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When he says the pandemic is over, he just means for him.
Yes of course, good point.
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I don't believe the WSJ news staff has written a story on the alleged computer. the only reporting that I've seen on Fox is from the op-ed people and not the mainstream news people on the network (and yes, I have looked). Your constant arguments about the MSM not doing anything is a phony argument. they have already reported that that appears to be doctored material and that they have requested and not received it. What else do you expect them to do? Would you cover a story like this in the absence of evidence? You cannot maintain such a standard with out being laughed off the newspaper floor.
Yes the WSJ has written about it on the news side, I read a story the other day. Fox reports on the news side as well, Again I have watched it.
So exactly watch has you vaunted MSM done in investigating this story? Have they gone to Rudy to view the drive? Have they endlessly questioned Joe? Have they looked for Hunter? Have they posted any of the many emails and test s the have come from different people on the chains and Tarth are archived on their devices?
The answer to those questions is no, they have not. They are hiding this story pure and simple. So now we have a principal of the China deal on record with documentation that shows Joe was involved. What do you suppose we will hear about that on the MSM.
You claims about “maintaining a standard “ are laughable given the last 4 years of Trump bashing with nonsense stories.
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This is nonsense. There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written. The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.
There's a nexus between pollution and regulation of interstate commerce that Congress can regulate. Pollution extends over state lines in the air and with rivers. But abortion is a local issue like hunting and fishing regulations or speeding.
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Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street Journal. And yes they are reporting.
Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story. IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3. They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump for the last for years. It seems to me you are not paying attention.
I have found a fair amount of stuff on the New York Post, Breitbart and Infowars, less on Fox, and not much, but some, elsewhere. And a lot of the articles just repeat the stuff that is in the other articles, so the actual amount of information seemed fairly small in the aggregate. I mean all the reporters have a copy quota hanging over their heads so they have to say something. I haven't looked at this particular issue since last Friday, so there may have been a deluge of new information since then, and I may change my assessment after I summon the courage to watch the Carlson/Bobulinski interview. I am kind of expecting Bobulinski to say a lot of stuff adverse to the Bidens, kind of like Michael Cohen said a lot of stuff adverse to Trump. Many Trump supporters didn't believe Cohen, so perhaps you can understand my skepticism about Bobulinski. I'll just have to see. I have already voted, so even if the Bidens made a full confession of wrongdoing, I couldn't change my vote anyway.
Here is a link to my lengthy analysis of the state of play at the end of last week. I have not updated it, so things may have changed.
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=135408.msg1190547#msg1190547
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Biden lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't.
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But abortion is a local issue like hunting and fishing regulations or speeding.
Some people believe that, others don't. There seems to be some controversy about it.
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Biden lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't.
I don't recall Biden lying under oath and going to jail, but I may have missed it along the way. Can you send me a link?
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I have found a fair amount of stuff on the New York Post, Breitbart and Infowars, less on Fox, and not much, but some, elsewhere. And a lot of the articles just repeat the stuff that is in the other articles, so the actual amount of information seemed fairly small in the aggregate. I haven't looked at this particular issue since last Friday, so there may have been a deluge of new information since then, and I may change my assessment after I summon the courage to watch the Calson/Bobulinski interview. I am kind of expecting Bobulinski to say a lot of stuff adverse to the Bidens, kind of like Michael Cohen said a lot of stuff adverse to Trump. Many Trump supporters didn't believe Cohen, so perhaps you can understand my skepticism about Bobulinski. I'll just have to see. I have already voted, so even if the Bidens made a full confession of wrongdoing, I couldn't change my vote anyway.
Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims. Cohen, not so much. What struck me as interesting about Bobulinski was the fact that it was Adam Schiff who sent him public. He has emails and voice recordings with the guy who is the rep for the Biden Family and he asks him to have Joe request the Schaffer retract his statement. Seems Bobulinski is a proud ex military who is not happy being smeared as a traitor. There was no retraction, so he went public to defend his name. The Biden rep pleads with him not to do it because it will “ take us all down”
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Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims.
Well, the sooner he releases all the documents and voice recordings to the public, and all the emails and photos, and videos too, the sooner we'll get to the bottom of it. Same goes for everybody else who says they've got the stuff. It is not enough that they release just the stuff they want to show everyone, all the stuff. Unless I change my mind after watching the interview, this seems like the old list of communist sympathizers in the briefcase routine.
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Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*. While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.
Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017? And was that person the holder of any office of import? And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?
Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.
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Well, the sooner he releases all the documents and voice recordings to the public, the sooner we'll get to the bottom of it. Same goes for everybody else who says they've got the stuff.
He’s given it to the FBI, the Senate, and now Fox. He is now on the record with an interview. It’s up to you if you want to see it.
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Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*. While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.
Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017? And was that person the holder of any office of import? And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?
Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.
Did you watch Bobulinski? It not about Hunter...it’s about Joe. it goes well beyond 2017 and back to 15 and 16, when Joe was VP.
Fox is all over this today. You might want to get up to speed if this matters to you. If not, so be it.
But again why was this story suppressed by the MSM? And never underestimate the Republicans ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory😎
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Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html
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Did you watch Bobulinski? It not about Hunter...it’s about Joe. it goes well beyond 2017 and back to 15 and 16, when Joe was VP.
Fox is all over this today. You might want to get up to speed if this matter to you. If not, so be it.
That's what I'm sourcing - I read the fox synopsis here (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/plausible-deniability-tony-bobulinski-biden-family), figuring it would be the most unflattering picture I could find of the situation without wandering into freakshows like Chanel Rion ;).
I guess I'm just dumb, and I swear I'm not being political but for the life of me I can't understand how this has any real bearing on Joe Biden whatsoever, especially when you're comparing his alleged actions and foreign involvement with what Trump is doing every single day.
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Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html
It's a decent perspective. It's not really about "suppressing the laptop story" though :)
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That's what I'm sourcing - I read the fox synopsis here (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/plausible-deniability-tony-bobulinski-biden-family), figuring it would be the most unflattering picture I could find of the situation without wandering into freakshows like Chanel Rion ;).
I guess I'm just dumb, and I swear I'm not being political hereabout for the life of me I can't understand how this has any bearing on Joe Biden whatsoever, especially when you're comparing his alleged actions and foreign involvement with what Trump is doing every single day.
Did any of the Trump children or brothers try to sell access to the President? I would love to be enlightened. What exactly is Trump doing everyday, all out in the open?
I get it, this just does matter to you. I’m going out on a limb here but I think you might have voted for any Dem to just oust Trump. That’s valid of course. What would it have taken for you not to vote for Trumps opponent?
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It's a decent perspective. It's not really about "suppressing the laptop story" though :)
Actually it is since Bobulinski is part and parcel with the laptop. :). It would not be out in the wild without the laptop.
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He’s given it to the FBI, the Senate, and now Fox. He is now on the record with an interview. It’s up to you if you want to see it.
So, if I give the FBI, the Senate, and Fox a call, they'll send the stuff to me? And that's just the bobblehead stuff. What about all the other stuff Giuliani et al. have? I told you I would watch the interview, but that's just one guy telling his side of the story.
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James, I just read the Fox synopsis you linked. You need to watch the entire interview...
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So, if I give the FBI, the Senate, and Fox a call, they'll send the stuff to me? I told you I would watch the interview. And that's just the bobblehead stuff. What about all the other stuff Giuliani et al. have?
I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.
As for the FBI. Don’t hold your breath. If the Reps hold the Senate I would bet you will see the stuff.
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Actually it is since Bobulinski is part and parcel with the laptop. :). It would not be out in the wild without the laptop.
Why not? Bobblehead has all his stuff on his own computer. Why does he need Hunter Biden's computer. Did the FBI or Giuliani and friends let bobblehead look at all the stuff on Hunter Biden's laptop? I thought bobblehead was just releasing his stuff out of a patriotic duty, having previously served in the armed force and all.
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Bobulinski has the documents to back up his claims. Cohen, not so much. What struck me as interesting about Bobulinski was the fact that it was Adam Schiff who sent him public. He has emails and voice recordings with the guy who is the rep for the Biden Family and he asks him to have Joe request the Schaffer retract his statement. Seems Bobulinski is a proud ex military who is not happy being smeared as a traitor. There was no retraction, so he went public to defend his name. The Biden rep pleads with him not to do it because it will “ take us all down”
Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?
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I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.
As for the FBI. Don’t hold your breath. If the Reps hold the Senate I would bet you will see the stuff.
This is totally laughable. Under this version of unreality, the FBI would have been silent back in 2016. You don't seriously believe this?
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President Trump better not look at the stock market today. Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.
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I believe Rudy said if you want to see the contents of the hard drive, to ask. Give him a call and see what happens.
Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?
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Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?
I believe initially some said that the whole thing was a big FBI cover-up, deep state stuff you know. I don't remember if Barr was supposed to be in on it too. But quit asking obvious questions. You are ruining the plot line.
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Why not? Bobblehead has all his stuff on his own computer. Why does he need Hunter Biden's computer. Did the FBI or Giuliani and friends let bobblehead look at all the stuff on Hunter Biden's laptop? I thought bobblehead was just releasing his stuff out of a patriotic duty, having previously served in the armed force and all.
How do we get to Bobulinski? Hunters laptop.
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President Trump better not look at the stock market today. Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.
Alan you are smart enough to know the market ebbs and flows.
Is your portfolio better today than it was 4 years ago?
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Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?
You want to end up lying on your back on a bed with your hand in your pants with Rudy?
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Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?
Maybe he has. They often don’t comment on ongoing investigations
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Did any of the Trump children or brothers try to sell access to the President?
I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it? I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal? How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?
And even so, I still don't see the "so what."
Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state. I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.
At this point, what have you done wrong?
Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?
Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?
What have you done wrong?
I would love to be enlightened. What exactly is Trump doing everyday, all out in the open?
He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo. Isn't that what this is all about? Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro? Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem? Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?
Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen. Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem. But there's absolutely zero evidence of that. In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???
I get it, this just does matter to you. I’m going out on a limb here but I think you might have voted for any Dem to just oust Trump. That’s valid of course. What would it have taken for you not to vote for Trumps opponent?
Not any Dem. Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience. I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden. Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.
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You want to end up lying on your back on a bed with your hand in your pants with Rudy?
I'm kind of afraid that might happen though, as in the movie, it would be Rudy lying on his back on a bed with his hand in his pants, I may have mentioned that the guy is whackadoodle, and after watching the Borat movie, maybe even worse. Besides, he is in hiding and not taking calls. And I'm not going anywhere near a hotel with him. There might be a camera or something.
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How do we get to Bobulinski? Hunters laptop.
I thought it was more like bobblehead calls up Fox and says "I am a Trump supporter and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've got on Biden. How about an interview? I was thinking maybe Tucker Carlson"
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President Trump better not look at the stock market today. Good thing he is the candidate of the best economy ever.
You should have seen it in April.
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I thought it was more like bobblehead calls up Fox and says " I am a Trump supporter and you wouldn't believe the stuff I've got on Biden. How about an interview?"
You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.
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You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.
Again, from the Fox article I linked earlier:
“Joe Biden has never even considered being involved in business with his family, nor in any overseas business whatsoever," Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates told Fox News. "He has never held stock in any such business arrangements nor has any family member or any other person ever held stock for him.”
"I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life," Joe Biden said at a presidential debate last week.
Biden has repeatedly denied being involved with his son’s business dealings.
Which part of the above do you need me to dumb down for you?
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You may have noticed (but I'm not holding my breath) that the Biden clan hasn't contradicted any of the information on the Hunter computer or from Bobulinski.
Guilty or not, that seems like the prudent thing do. I mean Biden said he's never been in on any foreign deals at the debate. Why go into all the details. Did I mention about Tar-Baby?
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Well it turns out the Trump rally in Omaha did not turn out well for those who attended. "By the time President Trump finished speaking to thousands of supporters at Omaha’s Eppley Airfield on Tuesday night and jetted away on Air Force One, the temperature had plunged to nearly freezing.
But as long lines of MAGA-clad attendees queued up for buses to take them to distant parking lots, it quickly became clear something was wrong.
The buses, the huge crowd soon learned, couldn’t navigate the jammed airport roads. For hours, attendees — including many elderly Trump supporters — stood in the cold, as police scrambled to help those most at-risk get to warmth.
At least seven people were taken to hospitals" You can read more here at MSM WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/
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I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it? I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal? How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?
And even so, I still don't see the "so what."
Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state. I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.
At this point, what have you done wrong?
Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?
Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?
What have you done wrong?
He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo. Isn't that what this is all about? Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro? Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem? Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?
Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen. Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem. But there's absolutely zero evidence of that. In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???
Not any Dem. Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience. I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden. Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.
It s a bit different than that James. Let’s put aside the possibility of Joe taking cash and say yea it’s just Hunter. So Hunter is doing deals with bigs in the CCP, even being the personal attorney for one of them. He’s also doing deals with lots of other places that are not all that friendly. Let’s also say that one of Hunters law clients is doing a 9 billion energy deal with Russia. Let’s also say that Joe’s Brother is also all in on many of these deals. Let’s also say that Hunter is a raging crackhead who likes parting with the ladies, some who seem pretty young. Let’s also say that Hunter has alleged photos of him partying with a Russian honeypot and the have photos. What if Joe knows all about it?
Is all of this true? Evidence suggests it’s true. But it might not hold water. But I guess we I’ll find out because our free press MSM is sure to be in full investigation mode /s
Now itself this is a Hunter problem. Or is it also a Joe problem. Can the potential President Joe Biden be compromised? Could he be blackmailed?
The left has spent 4 years and a massive number of words telling us Trump is compromised. He is Putin’s puppet. So what about Joe? Does anyone on the left even care?
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Again, from the Fox article I linked earlier:
Which part of the above do you need me to dumb down for you?
Did he say the emails were not true? Did he say the computer was faked? Do you understand what a bagman is? ... I know you do.
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Well it turns out the Trump rally in Omaha did not turn out well for those who attended. "By the time President Trump finished speaking to thousands of supporters at Omaha’s Eppley Airfield on Tuesday night and jetted away on Air Force One, the temperature had plunged to nearly freezing.
But as long lines of MAGA-clad attendees queued up for buses to take them to distant parking lots, it quickly became clear something was wrong.
The buses, the huge crowd soon learned, couldn’t navigate the jammed airport roads. For hours, attendees — including many elderly Trump supporters — stood in the cold, as police scrambled to help those most at-risk get to warmth.
At least seven people were taken to hospitals" You can read more here at MSM WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/
From your linked story. Trump provided 40 buses instead of the normal 15. It is unknown how many people that were taken to the hospital for the cold.
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Politico have a very useful story on the state of the Hunter Biden 'scandal': https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131 Do note the link to the WSJ story (a favorite news outlet for Craig) that notes no role for Joe Biden.
Facts can be inconvenient and true scandals require evidence.
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Did he say the emails were not true?
How would he know? You keep wanting to blame Joe Biden for Hunter Biden's financial deals and private correspondence. How does that work? I mean, if I was setting a date with a, er, professional lady under the age of 18, I wouldn't clue my mom in, ya know?
Did he say the computer was faked?
How would he know one way or another?
Do you understand what a bagman is? ... I know you do.
See.. now were back to the unsupported supposition that you had to have had something to do with my contacting FujiFilm again, and that you must have been cut in on my 50K. Biden has explicitly denied that there is a "bagman" or that he had or has any involvement in any way. You can believe that or not, but you can't say that it's "suspicious" that he (Joe) hasn't denied involvement, because he most certainly has. And still, *why is it a problem for you if Joe Biden has overseas investments?*
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This one is really funny. President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions. Hey, he's acting just like the Prez. Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!! Here is the clip: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/
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I don't recall Biden lying under oath and going to jail, but I may have missed it along the way. Can you send me a link?
Biden lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't.
Sorry, I meant Cohen (Trump's lawyer) lied under oath and went to jail. Bubba didn't. Biden's still free. :)
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Just your daily reminder that this "scandal" involves a) Joe Biden's *son*, *proposing*, not doing, foreign business in *2017*. While Joe Biden was neither in office nor yet a candidate.
Can someone help me out though? Who else had a son actually doing foreign business in 2017? And was that person the holder of any office of import? And did they actually hold, say, 10% (just to pick a number out of the air) or more of the company in question?
Bottom line - true for not, this is (still) a woefully stupid attempt at discrediting Joe Biden.
It wasn't 2017. Biden son made the deal with China while Biden was Vice President years before around 2014. Both of them flew together a number of times in Air Force 2, the Vice President official government plane, and met with people involved in the company in China and who gave his son the deal. Hunter didn't do a hands length transaction in getting the job but used his father and his government office of VP. If his father wasn't VP at the time, no one would have given Hunter a deal much less a second look. The question being raised by Bubba's comments and records, is whether Joe Biden took money or is having money held for him for the deal. If he did, that would be a violation of the constitution, and impeachable offence, and probably tax avoidance because he wouldn't have reported the income as earnings or it would be proof he was part of the deal. That senile he isn't.
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Politico have a very useful story on the state of the Hunter Biden 'scandal': https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131 Do note the link to the WSJ story (a favorite news outlet for Craig) that notes no role for Joe Biden.
Facts can be inconvenient and true scandals require evidence.
You will note, the WSJ wrote that story before Bobulinski laid out his case. They wrote it days ago.. Things have changed. BTW, even if there were no "corporate records" indicating a role for Joe Biden and even if the deal did not complete, do you think its possible for Joe to be involved and NOT be listed as a partner? After all he was a potential Presidental candidate.
Inconvenient scandals for the current darling of the left must be supressed at all costs.
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This one is really funny. President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions. Hey, he's acting just like the Prez. Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!! Here is the clip: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/
Wow, she said in essence Rudy you are just like Steele. I would have left too.
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Interesting Op Ed in the NYT about suppressing the laptop story
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opinion/hunter-biden-story-media.html
The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election. Then nothing will be done. If he loses, no one will care. If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled. The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat. Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches. Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again. The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden. But we're a long way away from that ever happening.
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The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election. Then nothing will be done. If he loses, no one will care. If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled. The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat. Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches. Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again. The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden. But we're a long way away from that ever happening.
Yea this is a dead end, buried by the MSM to protect Biden. It's still somehting peole should have at least been made aware of and has the chance the decide for themself.
Its a brave new world where only approved thought is accepted. :)
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Why hasn't Attorney General Barr launched a big investigation?
There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed. The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved. This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.
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This is totally laughable. Under this version of unreality, the FBI would have been silent back in 2016. You don't seriously believe this?
Joe Biden was Vice President in 2016 and Obama was president and there was an election going on. You don't think they would go after a sitting VP, do you? Especially when they were so busy going after Donald Trump for colluding with the Russians and Hillary Clinton for her emails and servers. Frankly, they should have locked them all up. :)
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Well, maybe I can set up a meeting. I mean he gave a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old foreign reporter a meeting, and ended up lying on his back on her bed with his hand in his pants, so why not me?
You told us you were too old for this stuff. Stay out of trouble. Keep your hands in your pockets.
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Alan you are smart enough to know the market ebbs and flows.
Is your portfolio better today than it was 4 years ago?
The market is going to crash after the election. Whoever wins, their party is going to be blamed for a disastrous economy and lose big time in Congress in 2022.
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The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election.
Is there any proof that Biden has done anything illegal? Contrast this to Trump where there was evidence.
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There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed. The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved. This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.
This is absolutely untrue. The FBI can take action right away if there is evidence of malfeasance. Look at the Giuliani interview link that I posted. He alleged pictures of underage girls on the laptop. I know for a fact that this is an immediate actionable offense 'if' the pictures are legitimate and a law is being broken. Some one I know pretty well was busted for having child porn on a home computer and the action and court case was really fast. Both local law enforcement and the FBI were involved and the sentencing hearing is next month. If this were the case with the Biden laptop he would have been arrested if the time line that Giuliani says in the interview is true. I know you guys want to keep looking for conspiracies where there are not any but you need to face the reality of what law enforcement can do when there is real evidence.
No action = no evidence. Regarding Bobulinski or whatever his name is, this is just another example of he said, he said in action. Nobody of the right wanted to believe Dr. Ford iin the Kavanaugh confirmation because of the sketchiness of her testimony. Well you should be applying the same standards here!!! Anyone can get up and say someone has committed a crime and it's easy enough to fake emails and I'm sure that 99% of the members of LuLa are adept enough at Photoshop to manufacture what might look like incriminating photos. Adobe Acrobat documents can be counterfeited pretty easily as well. the bottom line is that Rudy doesn't want forensics done on any of this because it would show it all to be fake. Speaking of fakes, maybe it's time to watch the old Orson Wells movie, 'F is for Fake.'
What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.
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Here is more on the Omaha MAGA rally: https://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-122800928.html
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I have no idea - but what they do or don't do to take advantage of their last name isn't really of consequence, is it? I mean, they all work for their dad's company, and he (Donald Trump Sr.) *still owns the company* so aren't they by definition working on his behalf whenever they make a deal? How can you deny that their entanglements with their dad's finances are any *possibly* any less that Hunter Biden's with Joe's?
And even so, I still don't see the "so what."
Look - let's say that you, Craig Lamson, get fed up and suddenly get elected governor of your state. I "talk" to you on LuLa once a week or so, and, being the enterprising young man that I am, let it be known to my vast network at FujiFilm that I can make an intro, and I charge them 50K for the privilege.
At this point, what have you done wrong?
Let's say I actually make the intro, what have you done wrong at that point?
Hell, let's even say that I propose a retail operation in your state, and that I think you'll want 10%, but then you tell me to screw off, and you release your tax returns that shows that you own exactly nothing of any partnership with Fujifilm, or any Japanese company?
What have you done wrong?
He's got conflicts of interest up the wazoo. Isn't that what this is all about? Joe Biden might be involved his son's foreign business, and his son might have taken money to make an intro? Trump actually OWNS businesses that do all sorts of work overseas, and his own kids' livelihoods actively depend on that. Isn't that a problem? Isn't Trump conflicted into doing things that benefit his family the same way Joe Biden is supposed to be conflicted?
Now if you became governor and said, "Hey - James Clark - go tell Fujifilm that they can get an appointment with me, and see if you can get 50K to make it happen. Oh, and pass me half on the side.." then yeah, that's a problem. But there's absolutely zero evidence of that. In fact, that's sort of what got Blogojovich tossed into jail, and Trump commuted that dude's sentence, so???
Not any Dem. Bernie Sanders would have been a hard choice for me to pull the lever for, but he wouldn't have had a prayer here in TX anyway, so I could have voted for Jorgensen with a clear conscience. I would have happily voted for Buttigieg or Harris, and in fact preferred them both to Biden. Warren would have been my "lesser of two evils" but at least she's smart. And competent.
No problem if it was an arm's length transaction and Hunter did it on his own. However, that doesn;t seem to be the case. He worked with his father on introductions and a wink and nod were given by the VP to secure his son the job and deal. That's illegal. At a minimum, the Biden's working together should be looked into and discussed by the press so the voters can make an informed decision about trust, especially because of all the accusations against Trump and his sons. They should be treated equally. However the press is ignoring it and making excuses to protect them. "I see nothing. I hear nothing"
https://mortgagehorror.com/2013/11/29/i-know-nothing-i-see-nothing-i-hear-nothing/
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This one is really funny. President Trump's super-spy and Borat-pranked former mayor of New York City stalked off the set of Fox News, yes Fox News ---- oh the horror of it all --- as he gets uncomfortable questions. Hey, he's acting just like the Prez. Get some tough questions, just shut things down!!! Here is the clip: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-interview-is-now-over-giuliani-erupts-on-foxs-kennedy-over-biden-shouts-at-her-for-outrageous-defamation/
It's Biden who hasn't answered questions because he might have another lapse in memory. Trump has always opened himself up to long conferences with questions afterwards and one-on-one interviews for hours at a time by reporters on the left and right. In the case you mentioned, the questioner was a disrespectful jerk and he was right to walk out.
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Yea this is a dead end, buried by the MSM to protect Biden. It's still somehting peole should have at least been made aware of and has the chance the decide for themself.
Its a brave new world where only approved thought is accepted. :)
You're right. The press is quick to to accuse Trump and his sons but are conveniently absent with Democrat fathers and sons. .
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This is absolutely untrue. The FBI can take action right away if there is evidence of malfeasance. Look at the Giuliani interview link that I posted. He alleged pictures of underage girls on the laptop. I know for a fact that this is an immediate actionable offense 'if' the pictures are legitimate and a law is being broken. Some one I know pretty well was busted for having child porn on a home computer and the action and court case was really fast. Both local law enforcement and the FBI were involved and the sentencing hearing is next month. If this were the case with the Biden laptop he would have been arrested if the time line that Giuliani says in the interview is true. I know you guys want to keep looking for conspiracies where there are not any but you need to face the reality of what law enforcement can do when there is real evidence.
No action = no evidence. Regarding Bobulinski or whatever his name is, this is just another example of he said, he said in action. Nobody of the right wanted to believe Dr. Ford iin the Kavanaugh confirmation because of the sketchiness of her testimony. Well you should be applying the same standards here!!! Anyone can get up and say someone has committed a crime and it's easy enough to fake emails and I'm sure that 99% of the members of LuLa are adept enough at Photoshop to manufacture what might look like incriminating photos. Adobe Acrobat documents can be counterfeited pretty easily as well. the bottom line is that Rudy doesn't want forensics done on any of this because it would show it all to be fake. Speaking of fakes, maybe it's time to watch the old Orson Wells movie, 'F is for Fake.'
What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.
Actually no evidence does not mean no action. To use a favorite tactic of the left, Sources say the FBI did not move forward because they did not think the computer guys story would stand up in court. Of course that was well before all the email confirmation came to light from other people and Bobulinski getting interviewed by the FBI. We simply don't know what is going on now.
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Is there any proof that Biden has done anything illegal? Contrast this to Trump where there was evidence.
Yes. Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement. Also the records showing the the flights Joe and HUnter took and their meetings with the CHinese. Even Obama cautioned Joe it didn't look right. Where's the press? Since when did they need proof before investigating? That's how the proof came out with Watergate. From the press. The pres is ignoring it to protect Biden. You're doing the same.
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It's Biden who hasn't answered questions because he might have another lapse in memory. Trump has always opened himself up to long conferences with questions afterwards and one-on-one interviews for hours at a time by reporters on the left and right. In the case you mentioned, the questioner was a disrespectful jerk and he was right to walk out.
Did Biden get asked any questions about all of this when he was to supposed to take questions after voting today? Did he even take questions?
Never mind I just looked. He took a couple of questions and left before it could get tough. Funny video though. Biden has been mocked for wearing two mask, what appears to be a n95 covered with the simple blue mask. People mocked him because you could see the two sets of ear straps. Today he did it again, what appears to be a n95 under a blue mask, but only one set of ear straps. Looks like the n95 had the straps cut off and it was just sliding around under the blue one. He had to constantly re-adjust the n95 Even worse he wasted the n96 because to make it effective it needs to fit tightly on the face. So much for the shortage of PPE. To heck with the little guy or answering tough questions. What a guy!
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Actually no evidence does not mean no action. To use a favorite tactic of the left, Sources say the FBI did not move forward because they did not think the computer guys story would stand up in court. Of course that was well before all the email confirmation came to light from other people and Bobulinski getting interviewed by the FBI. We simply don't know what is going on now.
But according to Rudy, the FBI have the computer! the problem is that there was absolutely no chain of custody between the time when Hunter Biden allegedly turned the computer in for repair and the time that it was delivered to law authorities. As a former prosecutor, Giuliani should know better than to claim there was. there are two possibilities here: the computer is a red herring or law enforcement both at the Federal and Local level are highly incompetent. Pick your choice.
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Yes. Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!! If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law. Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter
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But according to Rudy, the FBI have the computer! the problem is that there was absolutely no chain of custody between the time when Hunter Biden allegedly turned the computer in for repair and the time that it was delivered to law authorities. As a former prosecutor, Giuliani should know better than to claim there was. there are two possibilities here: the computer is a red herring or law enforcement both at the Federal and Local level are highly incompetent. Pick your choice.
Its not according to Rudy, the store owner has the document from the FBI requesting he turn it over AFTER first providing them with a drive image. Not to mention emails from Hunters Attorney asking for the computer back after the story broke.
I'll pick choice three, the FBI is not telling us what is going on, in light of having Bobulinski turn over his devices and sit for an interview.
Lets face it, you just can't stomach the thought that Joe could be a crook.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law. Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter
So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?
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So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?
Pretty lame deflection there.
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Pretty lame deflection there.
Deflecting from what exactly?
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These things that one of the Biden may have done or maybe had the opportunity to do or maybe something else, if they happened they happened over 4 years ago. In the intervening time, Trump and the GOP have been in power. And only now, a few days before the election, we're seeing a full-court press based on maybe some info that is in many people's hands but that they're not telling anyone about in any detail. At best, this is smoke and mirrors. And it's so bizarrely obscure that it's not clear to me who it is meant to influence, if it can influence anyone at all, which I doubt. At first it seemed like grasping at straws, but it's not even that. What's next, we find out that Joe and Hunter hang out a pizza joints together where they meet up with some Freemasons and tell lurid Trump jokes? If this the best dirt there is on Biden, well, it's pretty pathetic.
All that Biden stuff aside, the thing that has stuck the most with me these past few days is people in positions of great power walking out of interviews because the questions got tough. Who could respect them after that? It's the equivalent of 8 year olds throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing to witness.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! If this is what you are resting the case on, I can point to lots of honorable veterans who have run afoul of the law. Her, take a look at former Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr, an honorable Marine Captain and and abuser of campaign funds to pay for mistresses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_D._Hunter
I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things.
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These things that one of the Biden may have done or maybe had the opportunity to do or maybe something else, if they happened they happened over 4 years ago. In the intervening time, Trump and the GOP have been in power. And only now, a few days before the election, we're seeing a full-court press based on maybe some info that is in many people's hands but that they're not telling anyone about in any detail. At best, this is smoke and mirrors. And it's so bizarrely obscure that it's not clear to me who it is meant to influence, if it can influence anyone at all, which I doubt. At first it seemed like grasping at straws, but it's not even that. What's next, we find out that Joe and Hunter hang out a pizza joints together where they meet up with some Freemasons and tell lurid Trump jokes? If this the best dirt there is on Biden, well, it's pretty pathetic.
All that Biden stuff aside, the thing that has stuck the most with me these past few days is people in positions of great power walking out of interviews because the questions got tough. Who could respect them after that? It's the equivalent of 8 year olds throwing temper tantrums. It's embarrassing to witness.
You don't like the timing, neither do I but Rudy says he has only had the stuff for a few weeks. A month ago would have been far better but the timing is what it is. Is it any different that NBC sitting on the Trump tape and waiting to use it as an Oct surprise? The answer is nope,but they they were supporting Hillary so that makes it all better.
I am really quite happy to see people telling the media to stuff it. At least they sat down and were questioned. Whats Hidin Biden doing when it comes to media questions? Hiding. That should make you very embarassed.
So we have six days and however long the some states need to count the ballots and see how many thay need to manufacture to assure a Biden win /s
Take a deep breath, cross your fingers and figure out how you are going to feel when Trump wins again!
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So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?
Did you even read the post I responded to. Alan Klein was identifying him as an honorable veteran. That is no reason to believe he is or is not telling the truth. Just because one is a veteran does not mean that he/she always tells the truth.
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I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things.
Not in the post I responded to.
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Its not according to Rudy, the store owner has the document from the FBI requesting he turn it over AFTER first providing them with a drive image. Not to mention emails from Hunters Attorney asking for the computer back after the story broke.
I'll pick choice three, the FBI is not telling us what is going on, in light of having Bobulinski turn over his devices and sit for an interview.
Lets face it, you just can't stomach the thought that Joe could be a crook.
A crook? How?
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From your linked story. Trump provided 40 buses instead of the normal 15. It is unknown how many people that were taken to the hospital for the cold.
Gosh, when you are down to quibbling over how many people went to the hospital, maybe it is time to go down to the kitchen and make a ham sandwich and rethink things while you are trying to find the mayonnaise in the refrigerator.
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It wasn't 2017. Biden son made the deal with China while Biden was Vice President years before around 2014. Both of them flew together a number of times in Air Force 2, the Vice President official government plane, and met with people involved in the company in China and who gave his son the deal. Hunter didn't do a hands length transaction in getting the job but used his father and his government office of VP. If his father wasn't VP at the time, no one would have given Hunter a deal much less a second look. The question being raised by Bubba's comments and records, is whether Joe Biden took money or is having money held for him for the deal. If he did, that would be a violation of the constitution, and impeachable offence, and probably tax avoidance because he wouldn't have reported the income as earnings or it would be proof he was part of the deal. That senile he isn't.
So, hypothetically, assuming he’s guilty of all that, looking at the the sentencing guidelines, how much time should he do for which crimes?
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Did you even read the post I responded to. Alan Klein was identifying him as an honorable veteran. That is no reason to believe he is or is not telling the truth. Just because one is a veteran does not mean that he/she always tells the truth.
I sure did. As far as we know he IS an honorable veteran and will be until proven otherwise. To suggest he might be a liar is the same as calling him one IMO.
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You will note, the WSJ wrote that story before Bobulinski laid out his case. They wrote it days ago.. Things have changed. BTW, even if there were no "corporate records" indicating a role for Joe Biden and even if the deal did not complete, do you think its possible for Joe to be involved and NOT be listed as a partner? After all he was a potential Presidental candidate.
Inconvenient scandals for the current darling of the left must be supressed at all costs.
Sure, a lot of stuff is possible. Maybe they do have flying saucers out at Roswell after all.
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A crook? How?
I'm not starting from square one for you. There is plenty here already.
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Sure, a lot of stuff is possible. Maybe the do have flying saucers out at Roswell after all.
I would suggest there is more evidence for Biden that flying saucers out at Roswell.
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The biased press will continue to protect Biden until after the election. Then nothing will be done. If he loses, no one will care. If he wins, the House will do nothing because it's Democrat controlled. The Senate will do nothing if it switches to democrat. Even if it stays republican, any investigation won't go to far since its the House that impeaches. Of course, if there really was a payoff and he had his hand in the candy jar, and it comes out, it could be Watergate all over again. The Democrats in Congress like the Republicans back then, will have to protect themselves and go after Biden. But we're a long way away from that ever happening.
The way you put it, maybe we should all go jump in front of a train or something.
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Gosh, when you are down to quibbling over how many people went to the hospital, maybe it is time to go down to the kitchen and make a ham sandwich and rethink things while you are trying to find the mayonnaise in the refrigerator or something.
I simply stated what the article says. The number is not the quibble in any case, its why they went.
In any csae it is time for some lasagna. Later.
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Wow, she said in essence Rudy you are just like Steele. I would have left too.
He probably remembered he left his wallet in that hotel room, and thought he had better hurry up and go get it.
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Yes. Bubulinksi's, an honorable veteran's statement.
I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc.
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There may be an investigation going on but it hasn't been completed. The FBI does not discuss investigations as a matter of policy and they're not suppose to do make announcements publicly within three months of an election according to DOJ guidelines if candidates are involved. This prevents influencing an election one way or the other.
I thought Barr already said he really didn’t give a shit about that, he was going to release Dunham’s damaging report anyway, and then Dunham came up short, so Barr didn't get to tell everyone he was the savior of the free world and everything.
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What we really need is for Clifford Irving to come back to life and write about all this.
And I had forgotten all about old Clifford Irving. Thanks.
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Did Biden get asked any questions about all of this when he was to supposed to take questions after voting today? Did he even take questions?
Never mind I just looked. He took a couple of questions and left before it could get tough. Funny video though. Biden has been mocked for wearing two mask, what appears to be a n95 covered with the simple blue mask. People mocked him because you could see the two sets of ear straps. Today he did it again, what appears to be a n95 under a blue mask, but only one set of ear straps. Looks like the n95 had the straps cut off and it was just sliding around under the blue one. He had to constantly re-adjust the n95 Even worse he wasted the n96 because to make it effective it needs to fit tightly on the face. So much for the shortage of PPE. To heck with the little guy or answering tough questions. What a guy!
I was doing the same thing and my wife yelled at me for wasting too many masks. I told her to get her own damn groceries.
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I had compared Bubba to Cohen, Trump's lawyer who went to jail for perjury and other things.
Yeah, you lost everybody with that one.
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So now you want to call Bobulinski a liar?
Why not? Everybody calls everybody else a liar. What's makes bobblehead so special?
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Take a deep breath, cross your fingers and figure out how you are going to feel when Trump wins again!
No need to take a deep breath. I already told you that if Trump wins I am going to cancel my cable TV and move to a cabin in the woods. It was my therapist's advice. I'm paying for it so I might as well use it.
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I would suggest there is more evidence for Biden that flying saucers out at Roswell.
You obviously go to bed early and miss all the documentaries on The History Channel.
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How would he know? You keep wanting to blame Joe Biden for Hunter Biden's financial deals and private correspondence. How does that work? I mean, if I was setting a date with a, er, professional lady under the age of 18, I wouldn't clue my mom in, ya know?
How would he know one way or another?
See.. now were back to the unsupported supposition that you had to have had something to do with my contacting FujiFilm again, and that you must have been cut in on my 50K. Biden has explicitly denied that there is a "bagman" or that he had or has any involvement in any way. You can believe that or not, but you can't say that it's "suspicious" that he (Joe) hasn't denied involvement, because he most certainly has. And still, *why is it a problem for you if Joe Biden has overseas investments?*
Joe (the big guy, my chairman) is included on the email chain.
Joe has said he has not taken a cent from any overseas company, country. That does not deny a bagman.
He says he has never done any business overseas, but Hunter has and again Joe is mentioned in emails and testimony discussing Hunters “work”. See Bagman above.
He says he has never talked to Hunter about his business, testimony says otherwise
If this were some Russian hoax as Joe says, why not say the computer and emails are fake? Why, because doing so puts him in very serious danger should we find out in fact that the Laptop is Hunters and the emails are true.
You got wordsmithed by Joe’s people, IMO. But it is very interesting to see the shoes on others feet this time.
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I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc.
Thank you for your service. My parents weren't all that conscientious about getting things done, and I missed out on getting to go to Vietnam.
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He says he has never talked to Hunter about his business, testimony says otherwise.
Sometimes I laugh when a Trump supporter says telling a lie disqualifies someone from being president.
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Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.
It would look like every other place online where public comments are posted. Informed comments mixed with the grossly uniformed along with misinformation, half-truths, and disinformation thrown in for good measure.
Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.
Jeremy
I've not found myself to be unable to express my own opinions or in need of someone to presumptuously state them for me with false opinions that are not representative of my own. I cannot only express my opinions more accurately but more succinctly, without irrelevant he/she prattle stuck into the middle of my sentences.
First, I don't have a problem with this particular comment from Russ as there is a great deal of uninformed commentary. If there weren't, I wouldn't be posting; I would just be reading. Because there is so much uninformed commentary, I do NOT think "this debate is pretty high-level stuff" as you falsely stated on my behalf. Nowhere online have I seen debate that is "pretty high-level stuff", where there is open commentary, as it never fails to attract a great many emotionally motivated and ill-informed comments.
In addition, I have not "reprimanded" you "for describing it as drivel". It positively rains drivel, making an umbrella advisable at times. What I have specifically criticized is the occasional, but unnecessary, inclusion in your comments of what I perceived to be patronizing, gratuitous, or condescending comments on the intellectual abilities and capacities of people involved in discussions here.
Such as this most recent example posted beneath photos of two birds fighting...
Sadly, they probably have, and indeed are exhibiting, greater capacity for intellectual argument than most of the contributors to the political threads.
Well shot, too.
Jeremy
The difference in perception between you and I may stem from the fact that I don't assume that comments posted that I find poorly reasoned or expressed are necessarily a reflection of intellectual ability. My experience has been that otherwise intelligent people often speak and act in ways that belie their intelligence due to the keen ability that emotions have to override one's reason. Motivated reasoning is the term used in social psychology for this phenomenon to which we are all susceptible regardless of education, intellect, or accomplishment.
For instance, I don't know what your reasoning was for mocking me by expressing views on my behalf to which I don't subscribe. Perhaps it was because you consider me to be part of the majority you seem to believe lack a "capacity for intellectual argument" in these threads and therefore took it upon yourself to speak for me. Or, maybe it was motivated reasoning due to a dislike of being the criticized rather than the critic. Perhaps it was something else that I haven't considered. I have no way of knowing, so I won't speculate as to your reasoning.
Lastly, I don't wish you to think that I believe myself above criticism or am unable to accept a good-natured ribbing. Obviously, you're just as entitled to your opinion as the rest of us and I assume as well that none of us deem ourselves above criticism. However, if you are engaging in tongue-in-cheek comments; since it is your tongue and your cheek, perhaps you could project the comments from your voice rather than mine in the future. I would appreciate it.
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I've been preoccupied since the beginning of the week. Anything new?
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My experience has been that otherwise intelligent people often speak and act in ways that belie their intelligence due to the keen ability that emotions have to override one's reason.
That has been my experience as well. When I read your post I remembered that one time when I was in high school I went out on a date with this really nice girl and we had a lot of fun. Anyway, the next day my date's father called up my father, and they were on the phone for at least an hour, and afterwards my father came down and told me pretty much the same thing. At least you didn't make anybody call up and apologize.
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Sometimes I laugh when a Trump supporter says telling a lie disqualifies someone from being president.
I expect all politicians to lie, I believe it’s part of their dna. That said Biden bills himself as the morality candidate. You can’t play it both ways. Well you can but it’s pretty hypocritical
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I expect all politicians to lie, I believe it’s part of their dna. That said Biden bills himself as the morality candidate. You can’t play it both ways. Well you can but it’s pretty hypocritical
I didn't know that Biden has been billing himself as the morality candidate, but Trump has been doing a lot of stuff lately and I may have been distracted.
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I didn't know that Biden has been billing himself as the morality candidate, but Trump has been doing a lot of stuff lately and I may have been distracted.
I’m open for a different word, what would you suggest?
Character?
Biden wants to make America moral,again
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-he-wants-to-make-america-moral-again
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I’m open for a different word, what would you suggest?
Character?
Biden wants to make America moral,again
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/joe-biden-says-he-wants-to-make-america-moral-again
No time to read that. Trump's on TV again.
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No time to read that. Trump's on TV again.
He’s always on tv these days, like the energizer bunny.
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He’s always on tv these days, like the energizer bunny.
I agree. Really annoying.
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I agree. Really annoying.
I disagree, highly motivating.
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I sure did. As far as we know he IS an honorable veteran and will be until proven otherwise. To suggest he might be a liar is the same as calling him one IMO.
Your reading comprehension is not quite the same as mine. If I call someone a liar, I call it out plain and simple. President Trump is a liar! See how simple that one is. I said that being an honorable veteran is no guarantee of being a truth teller and pointed to the example of Duncan Hunter, Jr. which is well documented. Whether Mr. Bobulinski is or is not a liar is not for me to judge, it is for the courts should anything get that far. Neither you, nor I, nor Tucker Carlson can say that he is telling the truth.
You or I can choose to believe or not believe him but it does not make what he say true.
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He’s always on tv these days, like the energizer bunny.
You would be too if you had the doses of steroids the docs gave him for COVID-19 along with all the other stuff. He still has traces of hydroxychloroquine floating around in his system according to my calculations.
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I disagree, highly motivating.
I would agree with that as I also like sketch comedy. I want to see him walk down more ramps but I think they have removed that prop from his rallies.
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Setting aside partisan politics for a minute, did you ever think you would read an article about whether or not the sitting President is a flight risk, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/28/is-president-donald-trump-a-flight-risk-433313 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/28/is-president-donald-trump-a-flight-risk-433313).
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Your reading comprehension is not quite the same as mine. If I call someone a liar, I call it out plain and simple. President Trump is a liar! See how simple that one is. I said that being an honorable veteran is no guarantee of being a truth teller and pointed to the example of Duncan Hunter, Jr. which is well documented. Whether Mr. Bobulinski is or is not a liar is not for me to judge, it is for the courts should anything get that far. Neither you, nor I, nor Tucker Carlson can say that he is telling the truth.
You or I can choose to believe or not believe him but it does not make what he say true.
Actually we can base our opinion of his truthfulness on the evidence he presents. But it’s nice to see you try and justify your statements about Bobulinski,
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I would agree with that as I also like sketch comedy. I want to see him walk down more ramps but I think they have removed that prop from his rallies.
There is no doubt a Trump rally is highly entertaining.
I think he might be able to out walk and out work you Alan, but that’s just my opinion, mind you.
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I've been preoccupied since the beginning of the week. Anything new?
Not that much.
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Actually we can base our opinion of his truthfulness on the evidence he presents. But it’s nice to see you try and justify your statements about Bobulinski,
That’s a nice little bootstrapping maneuver you are doing.
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That’s a nice little bootstrapping maneuver you are doing.
Ill be happy to let you explain where you are going with that.
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Not that much.
I've scanned thru the posts and it appears you're right.
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I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc.
The press should be investigating. They're not doing their job. They're a joke.
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It was like moving into a dessert. I don't know how you do it!
Granted, it's really difficult. Especially if there's a lot of whipped cream to deal with.
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I thought Barr already said he really didn’t give a shit about that, he was going to release Dunham’s damaging report anyway, and then Dunham came up short, so Barr didn't get to tell everyone he was the savior of the free world and everything.
I thought Dunham had to do with the Clinton dossier, Democrats and Russia. What does that have to do with Biden and China/Ukraine and a possible FBI investigation? There's so much corruption going on, it's hard to keep track of who's screwing who.
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Yeah, you lost everybody with that one.
No one cares. We're up to page 171 and who remembers what anyone said three pages ago? It's all a lot of nyah nyah anyway.
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Joe (the big guy, my chairman) is included on the email chain.
Joe has said he has not taken a cent from any overseas company, country. That does not deny a bagman.
He says he has never done any business overseas, but Hunter has and again Joe is mentioned in emails and testimony discussing Hunters “work”. See Bagman above.
He says he has never talked to Hunter about his business, testimony says otherwise
If this were some Russian hoax as Joe says, why not say the computer and emails are fake? Why, because doing so puts him in very serious danger should we find out in fact that the Laptop is Hunters and the emails are true.
You got wordsmithed by Joe’s people, IMO. But it is very interesting to see the shoes on others feet this time.
Jpe should just say he knows nothing about the emails or the laptop. They're Hunter's after all and he's probably out incommunicado on another toot so he doesn't know where to find him. Everyone will feel sorry for him and drop the subject.
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I'm also an honorably discharged veteran (1966-68, E5, U.S,. Army.) I say Trump is an egomaniac, a liar, is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder, has cheated on his taxes, has ripped off hard-working contractors on his building projects, is an idiot and a criminal and quite possibly a traitor. You should believe that because I'm an honorable veteran, etc.
Well I'm more truthful than you. I served four years: 1963-1967 USAF. I only made E4. The Air Force was stingier than the army. Also they didn't like opinionated people. ;)
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Sometimes I laugh when a Trump supporter says telling a lie disqualifies someone from being president.
Both candidates have faults. The press i hiding Biden's to protect him.
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Both candidates have faults. The press i hiding Biden's to protect him.
So what? There are probably a lot of people out there saying even if all that Hunter Biden laptop stuff is true, and the press is trying to hide it, they are still going to vote for Biden because Trump is so odious. In fact, probably all of them that aren’t members of the Trump cult. Do you think anyone is voting about policy? Maybe instead of spending all his time and money running around the country preaching to the choir at rallies, and screwing up the shuttle buses so his supporters freeze to death afterwards, Trump should ramp up on all this Hunter Biden laptop stuff, and go out and convince everyone that Biden is even more odious than he is. Maybe he could get Bobulinski to do some commercials for him since he is so convincing. Don’t worry. No matter who wins or loses you can still bitch and moan about the press. And do us all a favor and quit whining about life being so unfair. It gets really old.
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So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084
The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.
Sure, it’s possible that some guy at UPS who is a Biden fanatic stole the documents. I mean Biden fanatic seems like an oxymoron to me but whatever. Anything is possible. Anybody seen The Matrix. That could be true. Some people believe in God, some people don’t. Pascal said he believed in God just in case it was true. People believe all kind of stuff for all kind of reasons. So if you want to believe some guy at UPS stole those Hunter Biden documents, be my guest. Who knows. You might be right. Anything is possible. Did I mention about Martians abducting this guy. The dog didn’t eat his photos of the UFO they took him to Mars in so that one is really true, no question about it.
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Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'
< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50542499262_9226690f47.jpg)
A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states
The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.
Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.
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For an overview of the methodology used in compiling the data set
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/201021_Jones_WarComesHome_Methodology.pdf
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Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'
< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50542499262_9226690f47.jpg)
A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states
The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.
Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.
First, what is the deffinition of far left and far right terrorist attacks? For instance, there has been a steady rise in anti-semitic attacks in NYC from minorities and many on the left like to make it that case that these are far right actors. However, it is very hard to imagine that minorities in NYC committing these crime are MAGA people. So many events actually get mis-identified as far right when they are far left. The news routinely does this too, insisting problems only started when right wingers held protest while ignoring that they showed up without any weapons and were attacked without provocation. Another great historical example are the Nazis, which people mistakingly say were far right. They were not; they were far left. If you ignore the anti-semitism and look at their policies, they all align with far left wing USA policies, like state ownership of the banks, issue quotas for businesses, controlling what businesses could do, confiscating guns, etc.
Second, I skimmed the article but where did they get the stats from? For example The Southern Poverty Law Center, which is referenced often, admitted this year that they do not keep track of left leaning terrorist groups or events. They even went so far as to say there is no such thing as the far left, ignoring Antifa. So, a lot of the agencies keeping track of this are on the left and give left leaning actors the benefit of the doubt, much like our current oh so brave Dems refusing to call out Antifa.
But perhaps over the last 20 years, the statement is correct, but that would be like saying since 1776 more often then not women could not vote. Over the last 2 years, I would say it is false and left leaning groups are producing more terror.
I also would like to see the total number of people effected by the combined amount of terrorist events. Far right wing groups often conduct themselves in rural areas, whereas left leaning groups have been doing stuff in the cities effecting many more people per event.
3rd night of BLM riots and looting here in Philly, and stores that were destroyed in June's riots and rebuilt are getting destroyed again. Plus a van filled with dynamite was found this morning on Logan Square; thank God these people are too stupid to keep from getting caught. I hate to say, but I fear BLM has destroyed the community more then can fathom right now. After this year, I would bet most retail owners will no longer want to build in minorities neighborhoods. To watch someone have their store destroyed only to rebuild and have it destroyed again will be of great concern when deciding on where to locate and the repeated protests that devolved into riots BLM and Antifa pushed has created the very racism they claim to fight against that will keep business from building in these communities.
BTW, do they count the BLM riots as far left terrorist events, because if not this whole study is bogus?
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Besides, the chart is too complicated to understand. I took one look at it and knew the research was rigged. What a bunch of commie/lib academics. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff they were telling my kids, so I took them out of their colleges and sent them to Liberty University. I’d rather have have the college president watch the pool guy bang his wife than let those commie/lib professors brainwash my kids. Then someone told me that watching the pool guy bang your wife is commie/lib. Now I don't know what I am going to do. Fortunately they cancelled classes because of COVID so that bought me some time to figure it all out. I'm thinking about building a pool in the backyard and having a chat with the pool guy and my wife to see if it really is commie/lib.
You’ll get no argument from me that the rioters aren’t lashing out irrationally. They are. To stop it, maybe the police should stop doing the stuff that makes them lash out irrationally. You know, address the disease instead of the symptoms. What a concept. They could start by shooting the guy eight or nine times instead of fourteen. What, did they have to stop and reload? Show some restraint. Maybe spend some time at the range. But I didn’t go to Liberty University so what do I know. Maybe your wife would stop hitting you on the head with a frying pan if your stopped stealing her pies off the window sill. Telling her she is lashing out irrationally and sticking her in time out, or whatever you do when you discipline you wife, is probably not the solution. Some of this stuff is so obvious.
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So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084
The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.
Sure, it’s possible that some guy at UPS who is a Biden fanatic stole the documents. Anything is possible. Anybody seen The Matrix. That could be true. Some people believe in God, some people don’t. Pascal said he believed in God just in case it is true. People believe all kind of stuff for all kind of reasons. So if you want to believe some guy at UPS stole those Hunter Biden documents, be my guest. Who knows. You might by right. Anything is possible. Did I mention about Martians abducting this guy. The dog didn’t eat his photos of the UFO they took him to Mars in so that one is really true, no question about it.
;D
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So what? There are probably a lot of people out there saying even if all that Hunter Biden laptop stuff is true, and the press is trying to hide it, they are still going to vote for Biden because Trump is so odious. In fact, probably all of them that aren’t members of the Trump cult. Do you think anyone is voting about policy? Maybe instead of spending all his time and money running around the country preaching to the choir at rallies, and screwing up the shuttle buses so his supporters freeze to death afterwards, Trump should ramp up on all this Hunter Biden laptop stuff, and go out and convince everyone that Biden is even more odious than he is. Maybe he could get Bobulinski to do some commercials for him since he is so convincing. Don’t worry. No matter who wins or loses you can still bitch and moan about the press. And do us all a favor and quit whining about life being so unfair. It gets really old.
Trump isn't whining. He gets out there and campaigns. Does his job. Keeps going. Like the Eveready bunny.
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Just to change the subject, time to puncture another myth propagated by (some on) 'the right'
< In America, far-right terrorist plots have outnumbered far-left ones in 2020 >
Finally putting paid to the fallacious notion that violence is the province of the left.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50542499262_9226690f47.jpg)
A new report by the Transnational Threats Project at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a think-tank, suggests that far-right terrorism is a much greater threat than far-left terrorism.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states
The report drew on databases compiled by research groups and press releases from the FBI and the Department of Justice, cross-checked against criminal complaints and news reports. Hate crimes, protests, riots and civil unrest, including the disturbances after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in Minneapolis, were excluded.
Since 1994 more terrorist incidents have been associated with the far right than with all other groups combined. Over that period religious terrorism has caused more deaths—a grim distinction accounted for by the attacks of September 11th 2001 alone. But in 14 of the 21 years between 1994 and 2019, right-wing attacks were responsible for more than half of the fatalities, and in 2018 and 2019 for more than 90%. So far, American law enforcement has been slow to respond to far-right domestic terrorism.
Edit:
For an overview of the methodology used in compiling the data set
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/201021_Jones_WarComesHome_Methodology.pdf
Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts. It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty.
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There is no doubt a Trump rally is highly entertaining.
I think he might be able to out walk and out work you Alan, but that’s just my opinion, mind you.
Since I walk between 3-4 miles a day that is highly doubtful. We are also about the same age. I don't think he could walk a full round of golf; I could.
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The press should be investigating. They're not doing their job. They're a joke.
How do you know they are not? If there is no story there they don't publish and there already have been stories in both the NY Times and WaPo on this.
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So now UPS is in on the cover-up. Has Fox News hired a team of comedy writers?
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084
The next thing you know some guy will go on Fox and say something bad about someone that Fox viewers don’t like, and the host will ask him for proof, and the guy will say his dog ate the emails, and the host will say no problem he believes him anyway.
It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet. I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use. Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."
So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies. Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning. This one smells.
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How do you know they are not? If there is no story there they don't publish and there already have been stories in both the NY Times and WaPo on this.
Both papers are anti-Trump. They investigated nothing. Their "stories" were to support Biden. I can't believe you really think these papers are purveyors of political truth. They've had their thumbs on the scales against Trump for 5 years.
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It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet. I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use. Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."
So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies. Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning. This one smells.
I've had problem with all three. It once took three weeks to get a certified letter to a lawyer when I was buying my house. FedEx and UPS throw packages on the ground. Who knows if any are stolen. They both stuff small packages into the mailbox on the street rather than them bring them to my door. That's illegal. I always get various neighbors mail. The other day, I got one that contained a check for $34,000 made out to a corporation. I didn't notice it wasn't addressed to me when I opened it. I thought about it for awhile :) resealed it and then put it in his mailbox.
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Since I walk between 3-4 miles a day that is highly doubtful. We are also about the same age. I don't think he could walk a full round of golf; I could.
You never know.
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Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts. It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty.
Apparently there are nuts in Europe too.
Woman decapitated as knife-wielding man kills 3 in suspected France terror attack
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/woman-decapitated-as-knife-wielding-man-kills-three-in-french-church/
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Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts. It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty.
Right.
Lucid, perspicacious and rational, all-in-one.
Now let's get back to the cogent topic of the last 100 odd pages: dissing Biden.
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It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet. I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use. Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."
So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies. Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning. This one smells.
Yea they do and he said so last night and that they had that tracking data. He also said they reviewed all of the data, watched all of the videos and talked to all people involved and even searched the trucks, and they had no idea what happened or why. The package was found opened by one of their employees.
Now either Tucker is not telling the truth ( and I have no idea if he served in the military) or the carrier is. Or maybe somebody actually stole the material. Sneakers comes to mind. Perhaps some enterprising MSM journalist will tackle this story. They should have plenty of time left over since they are not covering Hunter.
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Besides, the chart is too complicated to understand. I took one look at it and knew the research was rigged. What a bunch of commie/lib academics. You wouldn’t believe some of the stuff they were telling my kids, so I took them out of their colleges and sent them to Liberty University. I’d rather have have the college president watch the pool guy bang his wife than let those commie/lib professors brainwash my kids. Then someone told me that watching the pool guy bang your wife is commie/lib. Now I don't know what I am going to do. Fortunately they cancelled classes because of COVID so that bought me some time to figure it all out. I'm thinking about building a pool in the backyard and having a chat with the pool guy and my wife to see if it really is commie/lib.
You’ll get no argument from me that the rioters aren’t lashing out irrationally. They are. To stop it, maybe the police should stop doing the stuff that makes them lash out irrationally. You know, address the disease instead of the symptoms. What a concept. They could start by shooting the guy eight or nine times instead of fourteen. What, did they have to stop and reload? Show some restraint. Maybe spend some time at the range. But I didn’t go to Liberty University so what do I know. Maybe your wife would stop hitting you on the head with a frying pan if your stopped stealing her pies off the window sill. Telling her she is lashing out irrationally and sticking her in time out is probably not the solution. Some of this stuff is so obvious.
So have you tried Sky Replacement? It works pretty well. I suspect you will see most every photo with a dramatic sky now. Storm cloulds over every Biden photo?
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Yea they do and he said so last night and that they had that tracking data. He also said they reviewed all of the data, watched all of the videos and talked to all people involved and even searched the trucks, and they had no idea what happened or why. The package was found opened by one of their employees.
I'll wait for someone on the Fox News side to verify this allegation.
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Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/ "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.
Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.
But they also know that’s not going to happen now."
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So have you tried Sky Replacement? It works pretty well. I suspect you will see most every photo with a dramatic sky now. Storm cloulds over every Biden photo?
Well, to be honest, I took two or three photoshop courses at my local community college, and never was able to swap heads convincingly on those engagement photos, so I am not really optimistic I would do any better with clouds. I noticed that one of those photo editing software programs now has cloud replacement with AI, but it is kind of like watching Tucker Carlson, I can't bear the thought of trying to learn new software.
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Trump isn't whining. He gets out there and campaigns. Does his job. Keeps going. Like the Eveready bunny.
Yeah, Craig was telling me all about the Energizer bunny. You guys need to get together and brainstorm, and maybe expand your repertoire of metaphors. Or maybe they are similes. Aren't similes when you use "like"? I always get those confused, and I am too lazy to look it up.
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Terrorists from either the right or left are not a threat to America. We've always had those nuts. It's the intellectual left in colleges, media, government, and industry that are the real threat to liberty.
I addressed that issue a few minutes ago when I was talking about Liberty University, but maybe you missed it.
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Right.
Lucid, perspicacious and rational, all-in-one.
Now let's get back to the cogent topic of the last 100 odd pages: dissing Biden.
Well, Biden is getting his support from the left. He once was a reasonable moderate. Now he's sold his soul to the left to become president. He's become a Socialist in his old years.
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I noticed that one of those photo editing software programs now has cloud replacement with AI, but it is kind of like watching Tucker Carlson,
Do you mean it is not a truthful rendition of the sky?
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It is not at all clear who they used to ship the packet. I would never use the US Postal Service for this and based on my experience with priority mail over the last four months, they are the last carrier I would use. Here is what the article says, "Carlson went on to explain that the documents were shipped on Monday afternoon to California with a "large national carrier"—he did not disclose the carrier's name throughout the segment, but said it was one frequently used by Americans."
So which one is it UPS or FedEx who are the principal overnight delivery companies. Both companies have state of the art logistics tracking and know where the package is at all times because of barcode scanning. This one smells.
Don't tell me you guys are trying to figure this out rationally. It will never work. Just make note of it and move on.
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I'll wait for someone on the Fox News side to verify this allegation.
So you think Tucker is telling a lie?
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Yea they do and he said so last night and that they had that tracking data. He also said they reviewed all of the data, watched all of the videos and talked to all people involved and even searched the trucks, and they had no idea what happened or why. The package was found opened by one of their employees.
Now either Tucker is not telling the truth ( and I have no idea if he served in the military) or the carrier is. Or maybe somebody actually stole the material. Sneakers comes to mind. Perhaps some enterprising MSM journalist will tackle this story. They should have plenty of time left over since they are not covering Hunter.
I'll check my mail soon to see if I got it. :)
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So you think Tucker is telling a lie?
Well, to be honest, given some of the other stuff he's said, the thought did cross my mind. I mean you probably don't believe some of the stuff I say, and the world is still turning 'round. But I'll just wait and see if there is any follow-up, and then make a decision. Maybe the story will just go away, and be replaced with something better. Sometimes that happens.
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Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/ "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.
Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.
But they also know that’s not going to happen now."
Trump has proclaimed the pandemic is over. The thing is, my next door neighbor is a doctor, and says the ICUs where he practices are maxed out with some really sick people. Who knows? Maybe they all just have the flu. It's hard to know who to believe. I don't know about you, but I'm not going to be licking any door handles when I go out.
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Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/ "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.
Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.
But they also know that’s not going to happen now."
Thats where I work. And yes there is an outbreak and its not good, but Im not suprised. No one up there wears a mask and they don't care about social distancing. I have not looked to see how the cases are broken down but the Amish are really bad about taking precautions and they are a big part of the RV plant workforce. Not to place all the blame on them, lots of people are up there are says "screw it"
The RV plants are running full tilt right now and I don't think they really want to have a shutdown. They were pretty good about it in the spring.
Indiana as a whole is going upwards on cases. My country saw 243 new positives yesterday. My neighbor has it.
Elkhart county, the subject of the story had 126 new positives as of Tuesday.
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Not to place all the blame on them, lots of people are up there are says "screw it"
Yeah, like Joe. But he's a real man.
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Will the fact Europe suffers as well take the edge off the blame Trump is getting? WIll the press bury the Europe news on page 43 of their papers? Why are posters who knocked America's leadership here for six months so silent about this news?
Europe gears up for more economic pain as Germany and France impose national lockdowns
The latest measures to address the second wave of Covid-19 infections in Europe could lead to higher unemployment, the permanent closure of many businesses and even more national debt.
The French statistics office said before news of the latest lockdown that it expects economic activity to settle at “5% below its pre-crisis level” during the third quarter.
Data from the German statistics office showed that the restaurant industry experienced a more-than 40% drop in turnover between March and August in comparison with the same period a year earlier.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/covid-lockdowns-in-france-and-germany-will-hit-europes-economy-again.html
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Yeah, like Joe. But he's a real man.
We always are very careful when we work up there. We work alone in a secluded space and rarely see any staff. Restrooms are an issue, and we dread them. We bring out lunch from home most times and do drive through we we don't. I have one lone Motorhome yet to shot on the 12th and then I'm not going back until spring. :)
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Yeah, like Joe. But he's a real man.
Oh, how very cisgender of you, assuming I identify as a man, you fascist! ;)
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We always are very careful when we work up there. We work alone in a secluded space and rarely see any staff. Restrooms are an issue, and we dread them. We bring out lunch from home most times and do drive through we we don't. I have one lone Motorhome yet to shot on the 12th and then I'm not going back until spring. :)
I'm not going to lie, I feeling pretty guilty with myself right now. I told myself I would never give in and get tested, but someone came along and promised to cross my palm with silver.
"Do you want this job where you make a few grand for just a day's work. Well, if so, new regs state you need to get tested."
And just like that, my name is now going into the database they will use to cull off the chaff when AOC and the commies take over. Do they make you perform a Maoist struggle session before entering? I just want to know if I should bring some knee pads.
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I'm not going to lie, I feeling pretty guilty with myself right now. I told myself I would never give in and get tested, but someone came along and promised to cross my palm with silver.
"Do you want this job where you make a few grand for just a day's work. Well, if so, new regs state you need to get tested."
And just like that, my name is now going into the database they will use to cull off the chaff when AOC and the commies take over. Do they make you perform a Maoist struggle session before entering? I just want to know if I should bring some knee pads.
You could practice making rice wine beforehand.
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We always are very careful when we work up there. We work alone in a secluded space and rarely see any staff. Restrooms are an issue, and we dread them. We bring out lunch from home most times and do drive through we we don't. I have one lone Motorhome yet to shot on the 12th and then I'm not going back until spring. :)
Seems like a perfectly reasonable way to behave if you ask me.
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And just like that, my name is now going into the database they will use to cull off the chaff when AOC and the commies take over. Do they make you perform a Maoist struggle session before entering? I just want to know if I should bring some knee pads.
What? You gave them your real name? Smarten up a little.
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What? You gave them your real name? Smarten up a little.
Well they do require to see my ID.
At restaurants though, I just say whatever and rattle off 10 random digits for my phone number.
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Well, Biden is getting his support from the left. He once was a reasonable moderate. Now he's sold his soul to the left to become president. He's become a Socialist in his old years.
For the love of God, stop putting people in boxes. Expand your mind. He doesn't even want Medicare for all, so he is not even half way to the looney left you live in so much fear of.
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For the love of God, stop putting people in boxes. He doesn't even want Medicare for all, so he is not even half way to the looney left.
Yes he does!
A public option sets in place a one way ticket to a single payer system. Everyone knows this and why a public option was never put in place with Obamacare.
If you over-regulate the private system while providing a greatly subsidized public option, you are undermining the private system. This creates an unfair playing field that pushes people towards the public option until eventually the private system collapses. That is the only point to implement a public option.
Now Biden truly may be too stupid to realize this, and he is stupid, but his socialist friends in his party are not.
PS, and this most certainly what will happen if you mandate that healthcare providers must accept patients with the public option. This is one of the reasons I wanted ACB in the court, since I feel it is a violation to force companies to accept government business. If they implement this as a requirement, it will be in the courts rather quickly and I pray that Roberts sides with the liberals so Thomas can through a nuclear bomb into USA jurisprudence with his opinion.
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Well they do require to see my ID.
That sounds more Fascist than Socialist to me. Besides, I always carry a fake ID with me. I have done so since high school.
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I'm not going to lie, I feeling pretty guilty with myself right now. I told myself I would never give in and get tested, but someone came along and promised to cross my palm with silver.
"Do you want this job where you make a few grand for just a day's work. Well, if so, new regs state you need to get tested."
And just like that, my name is now going into the database they will use to cull off the chaff when AOC and the commies take over. Do they make you perform a Maoist struggle session before entering? I just want to know if I should bring some knee pads.
The sound of knuckles dragging is deafening. Crikey, the tripe some people believe!!
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Yes he does! A public option sets in place a one way ticket to a single payer system. Everyone knows this and why a public option was never put in place with Obamacare.
Well, when your guy get backs in office, he can turn the train around. You guys have done a pretty good job of that with Obamacare, so I don't know why you are so worried about it.
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That sounds more Fascist than Socialist to me. Besides, I always carry a fake ID with me. I have done so since high school.
Rats! I though mine out after I turned 21.
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At restaurants though, I just say whatever and rattle off 10 random digits for my phone number.
At restaurants I used to sign the name of my daughter's stuffed moose on the credit card slip. She thought that was pretty hilarious. Then we would go get an ice cream cone. Maybe that's why my daughter still talks to me. Sometimes the little stuff is more important than the big stuff.
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For the love of God, stop putting people in boxes. Expand your mind. He doesn't even want Medicare for all, so he is not even half way to the looney left you live in so much fear of.
He's not presidential material.
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Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/ "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.
Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.
But they also know that’s not going to happen now."
Everyone should spend some time reading the comment section of the article Alan posted. Its highly illuminating. Remember Biden is going to bring us all back together. You can get behind the paywall by using private mode in your browser.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/
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He's not presidential material.
There you go. That wasn't so bad after all, was it? Keep up the good work.
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This helps Trump.
U.S. GDP booms at 33.1% rate in Q3, better than expected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html
Jobless claims fall to 751,000 in last report before election
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/business/unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html
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So you think Tucker is telling a lie?
Neither you nor I know the answer to this.
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Everyone should spend some time reading the comment section of the article Alan posted. Its highly illuminating. Remember Biden is going to bring us all back together. You can get behind the paywall by using private mode in your browser.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/
Whenever I read an article on the Fox News website, I always read some of the comments first, sort of like a warm up. You know, to kind of put myself in the right frame of mind. I read them and think what a bunch of idiots. You probably read the comments on Washington Post articles and think what a bunch of idiots. You know what? We're both right. I mean it is bad enough wasting time posting comments on LuLa. But newspaper articles? How dumb do you have to be? You really have to learn to draw the line somewhere. When I was in a really good mood, I would post comments over on PetaPixel. Those guys really don't have a sense of humor so I don't post over there anymore.
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Neither you nor I know the answer to this.
I think I do now...
UPS says it lost Tucker documents.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ups-says-it-lost-the-cache-of-documents-that-fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claimed-would-damage-biden-s-campaign/ar-BB1avA31?li=BBorjTa
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He's not presidential material.
Reminds me of the critique I heard just after Trump was elected POTUS.
"... he's both ethically an intellectually unfit to hold the highest office in the land."
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I think I do now...
UPS says it lost Tucker documents.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ups-says-it-lost-the-cache-of-documents-that-fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claimed-would-damage-biden-s-campaign/ar-BB1avA31?li=BBorjTa
There are two ways this plays out. Either someone from the right destroyed the documents because they don't say anything and might have even been blank sheets of paper or they were incriminating and someone on the left did so.
Tucker Carlson's incompetence at work (form the article Craig links): "Business Insider has also asked Fox News about the contents of the documents, as well as why Carlson's team did not keep other copies of the documents."
LOL sending mission critical documents without backing things up???? What kind of dumbos are these guys/gals????
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This helps Trump.
U.S. GDP booms at 33.1% rate in Q3, better than expected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html
Jobless claims fall to 751,000 in last report before election
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/business/unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html
Do you really think anybody reads those articles and thinks gee I am really better off than I thought? Not only am I going to change my vote, I think I'll super-size my fries today.
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There are two ways this plays out. Either someone from the right destroyed the documents because they don't say anything and might have even been blank sheets of paper or they were incriminating and someone on the left did so.
Tucker Carlson's incompetence at work (form the article Craig links): "Business Insider has also asked Fox News about the contents of the documents, as well as why Carlson's team did not keep other copies of the documents."
LOL sending mission critical documents without backing things up???? What kind of dumbos are these guys/gals????
So you now KNOW they did not back them up? First rule of holes Alan.
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If you over-regulate the private system while providing a greatly subsidized public option, you are undermining the private system. This creates an unfair playing field that pushes people towards the public option until eventually the private system collapses. That is the only point to implement a public option.
Well that theory hasn't been borne out in the UK with the NHS. Far from it.
The UK has a thriving private sector alongside the public one.
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Whenever I read an article on the Fox News website, I always read some of the comments first, sort of like a warm up. You know, to kind of put myself in the right frame of mind. I read them and think what a bunch of idiots. You probably read the comments on Washington Post articles and think what a bunch of idiots. You know what? We're both right. I mean it is bad enough wasting time posting comments on LuLa. But newspaper articles? How dumb do you have to be? You really have to learn to draw the line somewhere. When I was in a really good mood, I would post comments over on PetaPixel. Those guys really don't have a sense of humor so I don't post over there anymore.
The comments in the WP are obscene. At least the NY Times moderates them before posting so you get high-class snottiness. Soft-porn.
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Reminds me of the critique I heard just after Trump was elected POTUS.
"... he's both ethically an intellectually unfit to hold the highest office in the land."
Reminds me of the quote from now dead conservative raconteur William Buckley. He was commenting on how poor the representatives are who make up the US Congress and said that he'd rather have elected the first 450 people listed in the Boston telephone directory. We'd be better off.
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Well that theory hasn't been borne out in the UK with the NHS. Far from it.
The UK has a thriving private sector alongside the public one.
Isn't that only for the people who could afford it? The rest of the hoi polloi get lousy medical care.
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The comments in the WP are obscene. At least the NY Times moderates them before posting so you get high-class snottiness. Soft-porn.
I am not dumb enough to have read all 262 of them, at last count, but I didn't see anything there that appealed to a prurient interest in sex, but I guess everybody's different. Please don't post any examples because I just finished my lunch.
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Do you really think anybody reads those articles and thinks gee I am really better off than I thought? Not only am I going to change my vote, I think I'll super-size my fries today.
Well, one of the top Google searches currently is "how can I change my vote."
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Well, one of the top Google searches currently is "how can I change my vote."
Interesting, but perplexing. Googling for:
"how can I change my vote" - 2.9B hits
"change vote to Trump" - 402M hits
"change vote to Biden" - 159M hits
"change vote from Trump - 389M hits
"change vote from Biden" - 186M hits
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There is an overly long personality analysis on Trump over at politico.com today https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/29/trumpology-kruse-45-trump-truths-433455 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/29/trumpology-kruse-45-trump-truths-433455). It's possible to be much more succinct.
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I saw on the interweb (some site or other) that Trump is warning Americans that Biden's Covid restrictions will not allow them to have a Thanksgiving, no Christmas, not even a 4th of July. Reminds of those movies where some guy is yelling at a crowd and threatens to darken the skies, then lo and behold there's an eclipse and the rabble is cowed into submission. With a bit better timing Trump might have been able to pull it off, but alas no eclipse. I'm not looking for great oratory, that's rare, but geez that was lame.
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Interesting, but perplexing. Googling for:
"how can I change my vote" - 2.9B hits
"change vote to Trump" - 402M hits
"change vote to Biden" - 159M hits
"change vote from Trump - 389M hits
"change vote from Biden" - 186M hits
That is a little perplexing.
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I saw on the interweb (some site or other) that Trump is warning Americans that Biden's Covid restrictions will not allow them to have a Thanksgiving, no Christmas, not even a 4th of July. Reminds of those movies where some guy is yelling at a crowd and threatens to darken the skies, then lo and behold there's an eclipse and the rabble is cowed into submission. With a bit better timing Trump might have been able to pull it off, but alas no eclipse. I'm not looking for great oratory, that's rare, but geez that was lame.
Didn't you know? Biden is "against god" too. Take it from the guy who steals from his own charitable foundation, that (church-going) Biden character is bad news!
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Isn't that only for the people who could afford it? The rest of the hoi polloi get lousy medical care.
Nope. The rest of the 'hoi polloi' get excellent treatment. Introduced by a Labour government, now revered by both main parties - I can't guarantee what would win any party an election, but I can guarantee that the party who comes to the ballot box on a manifesto of abolishing the NHS, will enjoy an extended stay in opposition - that is for the handful who actually get elected.
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That is a little perplexing.
Agreed. I think some of it is grammatical confusion too. Those statements are a little ambiguous.
Does "Change vote to ____" mean I want to change my vote I cast for someone else to this person or I want to change my vote I cast for this person to the other one?
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Isn't that only for the people who could afford it? The rest of the hoi polloi get lousy medical care.
You mean like here? At least they get lousy medical and not no medical care.
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Agreed. I think some of it is grammatical confusion too. Those statements are a little ambiguous.
Does "Change vote to ____" mean I want to change my vote I cast for someone else to this person or I want to change my vote I cast for this person to the other one?
There's nothing really going on here... On Oct 27th Trump tweeted that it was trending. Right after that, interest in the term spiked, immediately fell, and has been trailing off ever since.
Check out the actual Google trendline here. (https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&geo=US&q=how%20can%20I%20change%20my%20vote)
Here's some extrapolation (https://www.fastcompany.com/90569218/can-i-change-my-vote-trending-yes-google-showed-searches-for-it-but-dont-read-too-much-into-it) from Fast Company that explains the (lack of) conclusions anyone should draw from this one data point.
Edit: If you dig into the other data and the related search data that flows from the Google data I linked, you Trumpy folks will finds some stuff to enjoy. Searches for things relating to the Hunter Biden nonsense are slamming in the predictable red states like Wyoming and Alabama, but also super high in critical swing states like PA and FL.
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Well, one of the top Google searches currently is "how can I change my vote."
And you surmise that is because they read one of these CNN or CNBC articles on the internet? Who reading the commie/lib media is going to change their vote to Trump?
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Nope. The rest of the 'hoi polloi' get excellent treatment. Introduced by a Labour government, now revered by both main parties - I can't guarantee what would win any party an election, but I can guarantee that the party who comes to the ballot box on a manifesto of abolishing the NHS, will enjoy an extended stay in opposition - that is for the handful who actually get elected.
That's why the Democrats generally do better in elections than Republicans here in the US. They promise more free stuff. Of course the ignorant public thinks free stuff is actually free. Then when they're broke, out if a job, and the economy stinks because the government has no more money to pay for all that free stuff, they wise up and vote for Republicans to straighten out the mess again. Trouble is, the Republicans have been like cheap Democrats lately giving out free stuff too but not as much. They're trying to be like Democrats-lite. But it won't work. People will get more free stuff with the Dems so they vote for them.
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Agreed. I think some of it is grammatical confusion too. Those statements are a little ambiguous.
Does "Change vote to ____" mean I want to change my vote I cast for someone else to this person or I want to change my vote I cast for this person to the other one?
Yes, Google may interpret it in an ambiguous way - if you don't enclose the search in quotes.
For example - change vote to Trump would find all searches with those four words. Even if the sentence stated something like: how can I change my vote from Trump to Biden
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That's why the Democrats generally do better in elections than Republicans here in the US. They promise more free stuff. Of course the ignorant public thinks free stuff is actually free. Then when they're broke, out if a job, and the economy stinks because the government has no more money to pay for all that free stuff, they wise up and vote for Republicans to straighten out the mess again. Trouble is, the Republicans have been like cheap Democrats lately giving out free stuff too but not as much. They're trying to be like Democrats-lite. But it won't work. People will get more free stuff with the Dems so they vote for them.
Is that your explanation for why Trump won? Trump offered more free stuff than Hillary? Or was it ever so slightly more complicated than that and your sweeping generalization really doesn't hold up after a cursory inspection?
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Is that your explanation for why Trump won? Trump offered more free stuff than Hillary? Or was it ever so slightly more complicated than that and your sweeping generalization really doesn't hold up after a cursory inspection?
No. Trump's an oddball. He spends like a socialist and taxes like a capitalist. He's opposed to foreign adventures like leftists yet increases military spending like those want on the right. As a populist outsider, he could have run as a Democrat and gotten the same voters. Dems would have done better with him than Hillary.
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No. Trump's an oddball. He spends like a socialist and taxes like a capitalist. He's opposed to foreign adventures like leftists yet increases military spending like those want on the right. As a populist outsider, he could have run as a Democrat and gotten the same voters. Dems would have done better with him than Hillary.
I don't think Democrats think they are better off with Obamacare under Trump than they would have been under Hillary. So that's another sweeping generalization out the window.
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I still find it amusing that Tucker Carlson's staff did not maintain copies of the documents that will turn things around for the Prez (despite the fact that probably 60% have voted already). Not to worry though. The Guardian are right on top of this non-story and note that UPS have found the documents: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/fox-news-tucker-carlson-mocked-for-lost-in-the-mail-biden-documents-claim
I will wait breathlessly for Craig's report on what these documents have to say!!! I hope they are not just more trash that has been floating around the Ukraine for the last 18 months.
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I still find it amusing that Tucker Carlson's staff did not maintain copies of the documents that will turn things around for the Prez (despite the fact that probably 60% have voted already). Not to worry though. The Guardian are right on top of this non-story and note that UPS have found the documents: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/fox-news-tucker-carlson-mocked-for-lost-in-the-mail-biden-documents-claim
I will wait breathlessly for Craig's report on what these documents have to say!!! I hope they are not just more trash that has been floating around the Ukraine for the last 18 months.
Well. I don't know about you, but I am glad to hear that UPS is not in on the cover-up. Or maybe they were and Tucker just caught them red handed and they had to cough up the documents. Anything is possible.
You know what I think? I think Tucker Carlson is secretly pissed UPS found them. But that's just me. Others may have a different opinion.
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Well. I don't know about you, but I am glad to hear that UPS is not in on the cover-up. Or maybe they were and Tucker just caught them red handed and they had to cough up the documents. Anything is possible.
You know what I think? I think Tucker Carlson is secretly pissed UPS found them. But that's just me. Others may have a different opinion.
Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter Biden is not up for election ...
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I don't think Democrats think they are better off with Obamacare under Trump than they would have been under Hillary. So that's another sweeping generalization out the window.
When I said Dems would have done better with Trump than Hillary, I was referring to winning the election. I didn't mean any particular policy issue.
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Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter Biden is not up for election ...
Bart, you're not staying up. We've passed that point a number of times.
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When I said Dems would have done better with Trump than Hillary, I was referring to winning the election. I didn't mean any particular policy issue.
So we were talking about free stuff and you just changed the subject and didn't tell anybody. Typical.
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Well. I don't know about you, but I am glad to hear that UPS is not in on the cover-up. Or maybe they were and Tucker just caught them red handed and they had to cough up the documents. Anything is possible.
You know what I think? I think Tucker Carlson is secretly pissed UPS found them. But that's just me. Others may have a different opinion.
If it turns out to be sheets of blank paper, the accusations will come pouring fourth about the deep state.
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Isn't that only for the people who could afford it? The rest of the hoi polloi get lousy medical care.
You also think that in Canada, civil servants decide who gets medical care. It has never happened to me or anyone I know, or even to anyone I've ever heard of. But the important thing is that you think so, after all you have a right to your opinion.
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Bart, you're not staying up. We've passed that point a number of times.
More passed over than passed.
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You also think that in Canada, civil servants decide who gets medical care. It has never happened to me or anyone I know, or even to anyone I've ever heard of. But the important thing is that you think so, after all you have a right to your opinion.
I don't recall ever saying that. But it does raise an interesting point. If lack of funding from the government reduces the quantity of MRI units available so you have to wait so long you might just consider not getting it, don't civil servants then decide who gets what and when? And if you have enough money to travel, you can come to the USA and get an MRI the same day. So wealth does have an effect on medical care. The rich do get better care, even if it's all supposed to be equal. Even in the Soviet Union, those in the Communist Party got better things including better medical care. It's the way the world works.
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I don't recall ever saying that. But it does raise an interesting point. If lack of funding from the government reduces the quantity of MRI units available so you have to wait so long you might just consider not getting it, don't civil servants then decide who gets what and when? And if you have enough money to travel, you can come to the USA and get an MRI the same day. So wealth does have an effect on medical care. The rich do get better care, even if it's all supposed to be equal. Even in the Soviet Union, those in the Communist Party got better things including better medical care. It's the way the world works.
Indeed. The top party functionaries and other celebrities. Recently, when a well known government official got sick, they assigned seven of best doctors to take care of him.
In the meantime, poor plebes have to wait months for a simple medical appointment and more than a year for a routine surgery.
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Indeed. The top party functionaries and other celebrities. Recently, when a well known government official got sick, they assigned seven of best doctors to take care of him.
In the meantime, poor plebes have to wait months for a simple medical appointment and more than a year for a routine surgery.
That's why he wants to be re-elected. At 74, he doesn't want to take any chances. Hmm. I'm 75. Maybe I ought to run too.
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That's why he wants to be re-elected. At 74, he doesn't want to take any chances. Hmm. I'm 75. Maybe I ought to run too.
So in the space of a couple of posts we have gone from how lousy medical care is in Canada to Alan thinking about running for president. Yeah, I'd call that rambling.
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So in the space of a couple of posts we have gone from how lousy medical care is in Canada to Alan thinking about running for president. Yeah, I'd call that rambling.
My wife wants me out of the house. This Covid business is testing nerves. So I thought I'd run for something. In Washington.
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Seems like Muslims hate Macron and the French more than Trump and Americans.
Ex-Malaysia PM: Muslims have right to ‘kill millions of French people’
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/malaysia-pm-muslims-have-right-to-kill-millions-of-french-people/
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Seems like Muslims hate Macron and the French more than Trump and Americans.
Ex-Malaysia PM: Muslims have right to ‘kill millions of French people’
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/malaysia-pm-muslims-have-right-to-kill-millions-of-french-people/
So when you say that do you mean all Muslims hate Macron and the French more than Trump and Americans. I read the article and it seems like just one Muslim, the ex PM of Maylaysia, holds that opinion. And he doesn't even say he hates Trump and Americans at all. Just the French.
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My wife wants me out of the house. This Covid business is testing nerves. So I thought I'd run for something. In Washington.
USA is a free country. Anyone can run for something. And sometimes, he can even win.
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So when you say that do you mean all Muslims hate Macron and the French more than Trump and Americans. I read the article and it seems like just one guy, the ex PM of Maylaysia, holds that opinion. And he doesn't even say he hates Trump and Americans at all. Just the French.
Use your imagination. You ask too many questions.
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USA is a free country. Anyone can run for something. And sometimes, he can even win.
Yeah, but he beat 17 primary republican competitors and a 5 to 1 democrat favorite. That's more than luck.
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Use your imagination. You ask too many questions.
I was asking what you meant. I might not imagine the same thing as what you meant. I am just asking for a clarification. It sounded like a sweeping generalization to me.
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I still find it amusing that Tucker Carlson's staff did not maintain copies of the documents that will turn things around for the Prez (despite the fact that probably 60% have voted already). Not to worry though. The Guardian are right on top of this non-story and note that UPS have found the documents: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/fox-news-tucker-carlson-mocked-for-lost-in-the-mail-biden-documents-claim
I will wait breathlessly for Craig's report on what these documents have to say!!! I hope they are not just more trash that has been floating around the Ukraine for the last 18 months.
I await breathlessly your documentation that Tucker did not keep copies if the documents. Your link offers no such claim. Care to back it up?
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I was asking what you meant. I might not imagine the same thing as what you meant. I am just asking for a clarification. It sounded like a sweeping generalization to me.
The PM represents the thoughts of the Muslim community. More of them hate Macron and the French. If that's sweeping, so be it, Do you think only the ex-PM feels this way?
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I await breathlessly your documentation that Tucker did not keep copies if the documents. Your link offers no such claim. Care to back it up?
YAWN!!!!! https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html
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The PM represents the thoughts of the Muslim community.
He's the ex-PM, so he is just expressing his personal views.
More of them hate Macron and the French.
How do you know that? Do you have a link where maybe they did a survey of Muslims to see how they feel about Macron and the French?
If that's sweeping, so be it.
Just so you are aware that you are making a sweeping generalization.
Do you think only the ex-PM feels this way?
I think some Muslims agree with the ex-PM and some don't. I don't know the relative percentages because I haven't seen any data on it.
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Trump has pretty much given him the space to say what he says. But having said that, free speech doesn't include the right of employees to say what they want. Just like ball team managers can quash political speech on the ball field. Free speech is reserved to the public market. If you publicly bad mouth the company you work for, it's legal for the boss to fire you. There are some constraints. But the employer has a lot of power in this realm. The CDC's boss is the president. He may not be able to fire you due to Federal law. But he could send you to the Arctic Circle in Alaska during the winter to study virus among the Inuit people. :)
It seems that Democratic Gov of NY Cuomo beat Trump to the punch. He didn't like that one of his guards, a New York State Trooper, was dating his daughter. So he had him transferred to the NY-Canadian border to do duty and watch for Canucks sneaking over the border for MRI's. :)
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/state-trooper-dates-gov-cuomos-daughter-gets-transferred/
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YAWN!!!!! https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html
Sounds like they were in a hurry and made an error in judgment about whether or not to make copies. I would be interested to know if they are going to make copies of the documents available to the general public, and if so when.
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He's the ex-PM, so he is just expressing his personal views.
How do you know that? Do you have a link where maybe they did a survey of Muslims to see how they feel about Macron and the French?
Just so you are aware that you are making a sweeping generalization.
I think some Muslims agree with the ex-PM and some don't. I don't know the relative percentages because I haven't seen any data on it.
Thanks for your updated report. I'm sure it cleared everything up.
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Use your imagination. You ask too many questions.
You should consider using your imagination a lot less and asking exponentially more questions!
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Thanks for your updated report. I'm sure it cleared everything up.
I hope so.
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YAWN!!!!! https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html
Well, WHO said they failed to make copies? Did Tucker or his people say that or is that the claim of the publisher? Clearly they have no quote from anyone from Tucker staff or they would have quoted. If you have a direct quote, please post it.
I'll save you the trouble, don't want to tax you.
NY Post story with comments by Tucker.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/tucker-carlsons-hunter-biden-documents-reportedly-located/
Late Wednesday, Salon reporter Roger Sollenberger posted an alleged text message he received from Carlson on Twitter.
Sollenberger wrote, “Hi, Tucker, it’s Roger. Did you make copies of those documents? Or did anyone take photos?”
Tucker allegedly replied, “Of course. The point is, someone’s reading our texts.”
Twitter of Roger Sollenberger
https://twitter.com/SollenbergerRC/status/1321638898834038785
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Yeah, but he beat 17 primary republican competitors and a 5 to 1 democrat favorite. That's more than luck.
But a great misfortune for the nation and the world as the Presidency of the United States was turned into a nonstop carnival act. By carnival act, I refer to venues for entertainment which have been stripped of any dignity, based on deception, catering to base instincts, and often consisting of acts designed to fool or frighten the customers.
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Well, WHO said they failed to make copies? Did Tucker or his people say that or is that the claim of the publisher? Clearly they have no quote from anyone from Tucker staff or they would have quoted.
So is this your level of research and validation? If you have a direct quote, please post it.
Who cares if anyone made copies or not? Tucker now has them, as least I think so. I didn't go back and re-read all the articles to see if he actually said he had them, or he reportedly said he had them, or some anonymous person said he had them, or whatever the rest of the variations may be. If he has the documents, and I am not saying he does, but if he does have them, or access to them, or knows somebody who does, I wonder what the documents might say, and what Tucker or whomever has them, or has access to them, assuming they actually exist, may do with them. I am sure we will hear more about that aspect of the story. Actually, I am not sure. I really don't know if that will be the case. I am guessing based on incomplete information, and your guess is as good as mine. Well, your guess could be better or worse than mine depending on the actual circumstances. Reportedly.
I still have not watched the Carlson/Bobulinski interview. I was thinking I might go out and clean the garage again. Maybe I could do a better job. To be honest, I was hoping the whole thing would blow over, and I wouldn't have to watch it. Maybe the missing documents, assuming they exist, contain information that makes them a bigger story, if that is possible.
Does anyone know if Ron Johnson has subpoenaed UPS to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee?
I read an article that said Trump is unhappy with Barr because Barr does not appear to be doing anything to lock up Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, and perhaps others. Hillary, for example, but I am not sure. I can't find a link to the article I read so maybe I imagined I read it.
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Who cares if anyone made copies or not? Tucker now has them, as least I think so. I didn't go back and re-read all the articles to see if he actually said he had them, or he reportedly said he had them, or some anonymous person said he had them, or whatever the rest of the variations may be. If he has the documents, and I am not saying he does have them, but if he does have them, or access to them, or knows somebody who does, I wonder what the documents might say, and what Tucker or whomever has them, or whomever has access to them, assuming they actually exist, may do with them. I am sure we will hear more about that aspect of the story. Actually, I am not sure. I really don't if that will be the case. I am guessing based on incomplete information, and your guess is as good as mine. Well, your guess could be better or worse than mine depending on the actual circumstances. Reportedly.
Are you sure you didn't miss any?
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I was going to stop by Walmart and pick up a Black Ops Junior Sniper Rifle for the election in case things go south afterwards. But Walmark is taking all guns and ammo off their floors in many locations fearing rioting. Democracy is dangerous.
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v=1604003423&w=740&h=416)
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After this just over one-minute clip from last night's US Senate debate in Georgia went viral, Republican Senator Perdue announced he was withdrawing from the scheduled final debate. For those that haven't encountered one while driving, this is what a deer in the headlights looks like.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/Georgia Senate Debate Clip (https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093)
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I was going to stop by Walmart and pick up a Black Ops Junior Sniper Rifle for the election in case things go south afterwards. But Walmark is taking all guns and ammo off their floors in many locations fearing rioting. Democracy is dangerous.
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https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106769554-1604003292065-gettyimages-1168912490-150626walmart-9.jpeg?v=1604003423&w=740&h=416 (https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106769554-1604003292065-gettyimages-1168912490-150626walmart-9.jpeg?
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I just called Walmart and they told me I couldn't by the Junior Sniper model anyway. I'm an adult and those are only for kids who want to be snipers.
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Are you sure you didn't miss any?
I am pretty sure I missed some, but I tried to do my best job. I was kind of under the gun because my wife was calling me to dinner.
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And this is how the Carnival-Barker-in-Chief introduces a US Senate candidate that has been loyal, but is about to lose her seat. Introducing Martha McSally like a trained seal act in this 39-second clip.
https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/Trump - McSally Clip (https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/status/1321589608040333314)
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After this just over one-minute clip from last night's US Senate debate in Georgia went viral, Republican Senator Perdue announced he was withdrawing from the scheduled final debate. For those that haven't encountered one while driving, this is what a deer in the headlights looks like.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/Georgia Senate Debate Clip (https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093)
It kind of looked like he was about to cry.
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And this is how the Carnival-Barker-in-Chief introduces a US Senate candidate that has been loyal, but is about to lose her seat. Introducing Martha McSally like a trained seal act in this 39-second clip.
https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/Trump - McSally Clip (https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/status/1321589608040333314)
They didn't even give her her full minute in the clip.
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I was going to stop by Walmart and pick up a Black Ops Junior Sniper Rifle for the election in case things go south afterwards. But Walmark is taking all guns and ammo off their floors in many locations fearing rioting. Democracy is dangerous.
You still can buy at Walmart professional grade slingshots with 1/4" metal balls. Used judiciously, they could inflict serious damage to an attacker.
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/42f273ab-ac21-43fc-b9bd-2a848b4a174e.760b02409f3be8304c324c37a0279d7a.jpeg?odnHeight=180&odnWidth=180&odnBg=ffffff)
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I am not sufficiently enmeshed in the granular detail of the Hunter Biden story to know what effect this article may have, if any, but I thought it was an interesting read. At least it appeared in the main stream media.
How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387
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I just called Walmart and they told me I couldn't by the Junior Sniper model anyway. I'm an adult and those are only for kids who want to be snipers.
I thought you said your wife wouldn't let you have a gun. Were you going to sneak it into the house? I've heard some guys do that with cameras.
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I am not sufficiently enmeshed in the granular detail of the Hunter Biden story to know what effect this article may have, if any, but I thought it was an interesting read. At least it appeared in the main stream media.
How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387
So I’m trying to understand. The MSM (this is from ABC) won’t cover the Hunter Biden laptop story because they say it is unverified, but they have no problem with this speculation? What an amazing turn of events and timing. In any case I dont follow Q, but I read a lot of stuff. First time I’ve heard of this.
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There were a bunch of articles earlier in the month that said Pompeo was going to release some more of Hillary's emails before the election, but the story seems to have gone quiet. Anyone know anything?
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There were a bunch of articles earlier in the month that Pompeo was going to release some more of Hillary's emails before the election, but the story seems to have gone quiet. Anyone know anything?
I remember seeing that but no, nothing.
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After this just over one-minute clip from last night's US Senate debate in Georgia went viral, Republican Senator Perdue announced he was withdrawing from the scheduled final debate. For those that haven't encountered one while driving, this is what a deer in the headlights looks like.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/Georgia Senate Debate Clip (https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/1321657199375065093)
Oh geez, that was funny. THANK you.
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It kind of looked like he was about to cry.
Dust in his eye, it was windy.
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I am not sufficiently enmeshed in the granular detail of the Hunter Biden story to know what effect this article may have, if any, but I thought it was an interesting read. At least it appeared in the main stream media.
How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387
You might be interested in a recent Sam Harris podcast, https://samharris.org/podcasts/220-information-apocalypse/ (https://samharris.org/podcasts/220-information-apocalypse/). The interview is all about "deep fake", the explosion of fake internet identities and stories. The Russians were early adopters and are good at it, but it's spreading now to other countries. The discussion raised the spectre of deep fake audio and video that is getting better and better all the time. The tech is becoming cheap enough that it will be difficult soon for even someone experienced to determine whether a video is real based only on its fidelity. It's not just that Hollywood can avoid paying actors. The interviewee, an expert in the field (am I allowed to say expert on here?) gives some examples of fakes from the past and how they were unmasked. There are companies that do this, unmasking fake internet content for profit is a thing now. The article that you linked to sounds like the result of precisely that kind of investigation.
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Sounds like they were in a hurry and made an error in judgment about whether or not to make copies. I would be interested to know if they are going to make copies of the documents available to the general public, and if so when.
I think they're delaying releasing the documents because they don't want to unduly influence the election, it wouldn't be fair.
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You still can buy at Walmart professional grade slingshots with 1/4" metal balls. Used judiciously, they could inflict serious damage to an attacker.
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/42f273ab-ac21-43fc-b9bd-2a848b4a174e.760b02409f3be8304c324c37a0279d7a.jpeg?odnHeight=180&odnWidth=180&odnBg=ffffff)
What am I? David.
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I thought you said your wife wouldn't let you have a gun. Were you going to sneak it into the house? I've heard some guys do that with cameras.
Well, that's the real reason I didn't get the gun. I was embarrassed to tell the truth that I'm more afraid of her than any rioter. :-[
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All the guns and ammo on a pink towel? Was it photographed in California?
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You should consider using your imagination a lot less and asking exponentially more questions!
Although widely misused, the word "exponentially" does not mean "a lot".
Jeremy
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Although widely misused, the word "exponentially" does not mean "a lot".
Jeremy
I know. I used it the way that I intended. Exponentially as in "rapidly increasing in growth". Characterized by or being an extremely rapid increase (as in size or extent).
Is my vocabulary and proper word usage what you'd really like to discuss?
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I know. I used it the way that I intended. Exponentially as in "rapidly increasing in growth".
Is my vocabulary and proper word usage what you'd really like to discuss?
The proper word here is "diction," which is what your personal choice of words to use are. Vocabulary is used to define the set of words in a particular language, not personal choice. ;)
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I think they're delaying releasing the documents because they don't want to unduly influence the election, it wouldn't be fair.
Sure, that’s Fox News' motto, Fair and Balanced. I don’t know anybody else’s motto, or even if anyone else has one. Maybe NYT’s is All the News That’s Fit to Print, which doesn’t seem all that aspirational, but I could be mistaken.
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Sometimes people use the proper words and still don’t say anything meaningful.
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All the guns and ammo on a pink towel? Was it photographed in California?
Well more like a very well washed orange towel.
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Well more like a very well washed orange towel.
In a photographically related comment, perhaps everyone needs to calibrate their monitor. A lot of normal people don't calibrate their monitor, and don't have any idea what color stuff is. So it is a good idea to calibrate your monitor. Some photographers calibrate their monitor so often they don't have any time left to take photographs though. Those individuals also tend to wear out their calibration puck, and engage in 400 page threads about which is the best replacement. You can learn a lot of stuff on camera forums, some of it useful, but rarely does it make you a better photographer, though sometimes it does.
Sometimes I go to camera forums to find out the dynamic range of the latest sensor. For some reason, I think having the camera with the sensor with the highest dynamic range will make me a better photographer. Then I look at my photographs and think probably not. Sometimes you are just headed down the wrong road and will never arrive at your destination. The reason I found LuLa is because I was thinking about getting a Phase One. So I spent a lot of time reading about it. Eventually, I realized I didn't have $50,000 for a camera, and even if I did, I wouldn't spend it on a camera. That's when I found the LuLa Coffee Corner. I don't think I have thought about getting a Phase One for months, so now I am not wasting a lot of time being here.
Speaking of calibration pucks, do you know what makes me smile? Thinking about the guys who shoot on large format film so they can post their photographs on Flickr. That just slays me.
Jeremy says he is going to shut down political discussions here on Tuesday. I think that will help me be a better photographer because then I will have more time to take photographs. Then he said something about leaving one thread open so the addicts don't have to go cold turkey. I am not sure that is such a good idea. Sometimes it is best to go cold turkey. If Trump wins, I am going to go cold turkey by cancelling my cable TV and moving to a cabin in the woods. Then I will have a lot of time to take photographs. So maybe I should hope Trump wins. It would probably make me a better photographer. That is the kind of insight you just can't get anywhere other than a camera forum.
If someone would like to point out where I didn't use the proper words in places in this post, please let me know. I am always open to improving my vocabulary. Or is it diction? Now I have to go look that up in the dictionary. Kind of wants to make you throw your hands in the air and run around in circles screaming, doesn't it?
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Sure, that’s Fox News motto, Fair and Balanced. I don’t know anybody else’s motto, or even if anyone else has one. Maybe NYT’s is All the news that’s fit to print, which doesn’t seem all that aspirational, but I could be mistaken.
I think a lot of this stuff only makes sense if you view FOX as an entertainment network rather than a news and public affairs network. Tucker may be entertaining and attract eyeballs to FOX's ads, but it's hard to imagine a serious news and public affairs outlet allowing the recent silliness to be broadcast. I mean, why does he still have a job? It's only because it's just another TV show, like Bachelorette or Dancing with the Stars (I think those are real shows, I have never watched either one). A lot of people think it's political analysis because he wears a suit and sits at a desk, but it's just bar talk. But that's where we are now.
Seems to me that if the documents from that hard drive were as damning as some people choose to believe, there would have been 10,000 copies leaked to anyone who can breath by now. What's the hold-up, are they holding onto them for the 2024 election?
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I think a lot of this stuff only makes sense if you view FOX as an entertainment network rather than a news and public affairs network. Tucker may be entertaining and attract eyeballs to FOX's ads, but it's hard to imagine a serious news and public affairs outlet allowing the recent silliness to be broadcast. I mean, why does he still have a job? It's only because it's just another TV show, like Bachelorette or Dancing with the Stars (I think those are real shows, I have never watched either one). A lot of people think it's political analysis because he wears a suit and sits at a desk, but it's just bar talk. But that's where we are now.
Seems to me that if the documents from that hard drive were as damning as some people choose to believe, there would have been 10,000 copies leaked to anyone who can breath by now. What's the hold-up, are they holding onto them for the 2024 election?
There a plenty of people with the contents of the hard drive and they are reporting about it. 7 million people saw Bobulinski on Tucker the other night and did you read or hear anything about it in the MSM? They just can't let the great unwashed see behind the curtain it seems.
A few data points:
Computer shop owners lawyer's statement[/u]
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/lawyer-delaware-shop-owner-fbi-initially-turned-down
DOJ official confirms FBI 2019 criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, still active
https://local21news.com/news/nation-world/tony-bobulinksi-i-have-now-put-myself-in-huge-risk-for-the-sake-of-the-american-people
And I'll save the best for last...
EXCLUSIVE: NY Post’s ‘Smoking Gun’ Hunter Biden Email 100% Authentic, Forensic Analysis
https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/29/cybersecurity-expert-authenticates-hunter-biden-burisma-email/
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He's the ex-PM, so he is just expressing his personal views.
How do you know that? Do you have a link where maybe they did a survey of Muslims to see how they feel about Macron and the French?
Just so you are aware that you are making a sweeping generalization.
I think some Muslims agree with the ex-PM and some don't. I don't know the relative percentages because I haven't seen any data on it.
Here's a video showing how Muslims feel in various countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsCyEx1Soo
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Sure, that’s Fox News' motto, Fair and Balanced. I don’t know anybody else’s motto, or even if anyone else has one. Maybe NYT’s is All the News That’s Fit to Print, which doesn’t seem all that aspirational, but I could be mistaken.
The NY Times new motto is "Only the News that's Fit To Print that We Agree With"
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I think a lot of this stuff only makes sense if you view FOX as an entertainment network rather than a news and public affairs network. Tucker may be entertaining and attract eyeballs to FOX's ads, but it's hard to imagine a serious news and public affairs outlet allowing the recent silliness to be broadcast. I mean, why does he still have a job? It's only because it's just another TV show, like Bachelorette or Dancing with the Stars (I think those are real shows, I have never watched either one). A lot of people think it's political analysis because he wears a suit and sits at a desk, but it's just bar talk. But that's where we are now.
Seems to me that if the documents from that hard drive were as damning as some people choose to believe, there would have been 10,000 copies leaked to anyone who can breath by now. What's the hold-up, are they holding onto them for the 2024 election?
Fox has its talking heads like Hannity but also honest news journalists that play it fair and balanced. They also are willing to have democrats on with them and interview a lot of them. CNN is really one-sided talking heads with a political agenda. The only Republicans they'll interview are those who don't like Trump. Trump has made them millions. What are they going to do if he loses? They won't even be able to come here for inspiration since Jeremy is shutting down the Coffee Corner.
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Here's a video showing how Muslims feel in various countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsCyEx1Soo
I watched the video. Kind of reminds me of the photographer choosing to use a telephoto lens when he was taking the picture of all the people on the beach in Florida at the height of the pandemic.
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Fox has its talking heads like Hannity but also honest news journalists that play it fair and balanced.
Yeah, but nobody watches them. Have you seen the ratings?
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I watched the video. Kind of reminds me of the photographer choosing to use a telephoto lens when he was taking the picture of all the people on the beach in Florida at the height of the pandemic.
If you noticed, none of the Muslims are wearing masks. Macron wears a mask. They probably follow Trump.
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Yeah, but nobody watches them. Have you seen the ratings?
Boy you are right no one watches them. /s
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Yeah, but nobody watches them. Have you seen the ratings?
Are we talking about the same ratings? Fox is beating CNN and MSNBC across the board by huge margins. If Trump loses, no one's going to watch MSNBC or CNN unless they hire him which is possible. Trump had a TV show once that was very successful. Why not another? He can call it Four Years in Purgatory - News, Views and Rantings by the Former President. Well, maybe that would make a better book title.
Tuesday, Oct. 27 Scoreboard: Tucker Carlson Drew a Whopping 7.5 Million Viewers Last Night
https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/tuesday-oct-27-scoreboard-tucker-carlson-drew-a-whopping-7-5-million-viewers-last-night/461347/
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Boy you are right no one watches them. /s
Yeah, I was exaggerating for emphasis. And I was just guessing that Tucker's ratings were higher than Brett Baier's. I should probably look it up to make sure. Who knows, I could be wrong. I've been wrong before.
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Are we talking about the same ratings? Fox is beating CNN and MSNBC across the board by huge margins.
Canon is beating Nikon by huge margins too, and yet most people just use their phone to take pictures.
That's the thing. You look at a video of Muslims protesting in France, and forget that a lot of Muslims just use their phone.
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If you noticed, none of the Muslims are wearing masks. Macron wears a mask. They probably follow Trump.
I read that and am perplexed. Based on previous experience, I am leaning toward thinking you are actually being serious.
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I read that and am perplexed. Based on previous experience, I am leaning toward thinking you are actually being serious.
Well, I don't know about following Trump. But they certainly won't follow Macron who does wear a mask.
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Well, I don't know about following Trump. But they certainly won't follow Macron who does wear a mask.
I am going to go way out on a limb and say that the Muslims shown in the video protesting wouldn't follow Macron even if he didn't wear a mask. Perhaps the mask doesn't figure into the decision at all, and so consideration of how Muslims feel about Trump is a red herring. And from looking at the video, I'm not at all sure the protests there depicted occurred in France anyway. You might think that Muslim's protesting in France would use French rather than Arabic, if it is Arabic, on their protest signs so the French would know what they are protesting about. Maybe they are protesting because Burger King dropped the Cheeseburger Royale. I don't know because I can't read Arabic, if it is Arabic. But what do I know anyway? I'm not really an expert on the subject. I was just making a few observations, in particular about generalizations. At one point I was taught that inferring the general from the specific, which I think is referred to as inductive reasoning, can be problematic if you are not careful, but maybe whoever taught me that didn't know what he was talking about, or I misremembered it. That sometimes happens, but not always, but I could be wrong about that too. For example, I forgot my mask when I went to the pharmacy yesterday and had to go back home and get it. If I can forget my mask, there is also a chance I might forget about stuff like inductive reasoning. I don't know for certain if even that is true. But I do know, or a least believe, that you have to kind of raise your eyebrow like Spock, and say "Fascinating", when somebody makes a generalization. At least you should give it some thought. I don't think I ever heard Spock say "By golly, you are absolutely right". But then he is not impulsive like Captain Kirk, even though Captain Kirk made some pretty good decisions impulsively. But not always. I mean can you believe some of the girls he kissed. Some of them were even aliens. What's that all about?
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I am going to go way out on a limb and say that the Muslims shown in the video protesting wouldn't follow Macron even if he didn't wear a mask. Perhaps the mask doesn't figure into the decision at all. And from looking at the video, I'm not at all sure the protests there depicted occurred in France anyway. You might think that Muslim's protesting in France would use French rather than Arabic on their protest signs so the French would know what the are protesting. But what do I know anyway? I'm not really an expert on the subject.
The video indicated and showed protests in about five Muslim nations. No one there was wearing a mask. They didn't seem to like Macron. There were no anti-Trump signs. Seems foreigners like Trump and America better than Macron and France. Now that's progress. Trump needs four more years to consolidate that support worldwide.
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There a plenty of people with the contents of the hard drive and they are reporting about it. 7 million people saw Bobulinski on Tucker the other night and did you read or hear anything about it in the MSM? They just can't let the great unwashed see behind the curtain it seems.
A few data points:
Computer shop owners lawyer's statement[/u]
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/lawyer-delaware-shop-owner-fbi-initially-turned-down
DOJ official confirms FBI 2019 criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, still active
https://local21news.com/news/nation-world/tony-bobulinksi-i-have-now-put-myself-in-huge-risk-for-the-sake-of-the-american-people
And I'll save the best for last...
EXCLUSIVE: NY Post’s ‘Smoking Gun’ Hunter Biden Email 100% Authentic, Forensic Analysis
https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/29/cybersecurity-expert-authenticates-hunter-biden-burisma-email/
I'm going to run with the idea that this is all true, and that (Joe) Biden DID meet with the guy from Burisma. I have it on good authority that, in fact, Biden has already responded to this. Here's the quote I found:
I don’t know thoseat gentleman,” Trump Biden told reporters outside the White House. “Now, it’s possible I have a picture with them him because I have a picture with everybody. I don’t know themhim, I don’t know about themhim, I don’t know what they do." (Side note - I have to applaud Biden for leaving that last "they" pronoun indeterminate, in an obvious nod to TEH LBGTQ AGENDA.
You can find the quote buried at WAPO somewhere. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/11/brief-history-trump-downplaying-his-relationships-with-politically-inconvenient-people/)
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I know. I used it the way that I intended. Exponentially as in "rapidly increasing in growth". Characterized by or being an extremely rapid increase (as in size or extent).
Is my vocabulary and proper word usage what you'd really like to discuss?
To put it another way, you misused the word. You are not Humpty Dumpty. I forbore from pointing out also that it's is an adverb, not an adjective.
Language is important: it's how we communicate, particularly when we can't take photographs. Words have meanings. They are not your playthings, to be misused. So yes, it's an important topic; not, as you narcissistically suggest, specifically your vocabulary but language in general.
It's also far more interesting than the subject of the thread, but that's a separate point.
Jeremy
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The video indicated and showed protests in about five Muslim nations. No one there was wearing a mask. They didn't seem to like Macron. There were no anti-Trump signs. Seems foreigners like Trump and America better than Macron and France. Now that's progress. Trump needs four more years to consolidate that support worldwide.
Fascinating.
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To put it another way, you misused the word. You are not Humpty Dumpty. I forbore from pointing out also that it's is an adverb, not an adjective.
Language is important: it's how we communicate, particularly when we can't take photographs. Words have meanings. They are not your playthings, to be misused. So yes, it's an important topic; not, as you narcissistically suggest, specifically your vocabulary but language in general.
It's also far more interesting than the subject of the thread, but that's a separate point.
Jeremy
Hard talk from someone that can't even spell "color," "parlor," or "neighbor" correctly.
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No one there was wearing a mask. They didn't seem to like Macron. There were no anti-Trump signs. Seems foreigners like Trump and America better than Macron and France. Now that's progress. Trump needs four more years to consolidate that support worldwide.
We'll, you are perhaps in a better position to know than I am. I can't read Arabic so I don't have any idea what the signs said.
I emailed the video to a friend of mine who speaks Arabic. He said he didn't see any anti-peach pie signs. I guess Muslims like peach pie.
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Here's a video showing how Muslims feel in various countries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsCyEx1Soo
You may have lost track, which is completely understandable, but this thread is about the US election. Or I thought it was anyway.
But the video seemed to come from Guardian News. I'm surprised that you consider them a credible source.
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From time to time, people on this thread and others have expressed opinions about how bad health care is in Canada because it's a one-payer system administered by the government. The arguments follow a pattern and it may interest you to know why people have formed these predictiable opinions. In part, they were instilled into your heads by a deliberate disinformation campaign by the insurance industry. NPR's Planet Money podcast recently aired a show about that, interviewing the actual horse's mouth, as it were, https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada (https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada).
You don't have to listen to this, I know it's difficult to listen to someone tell you how you were duped and why you're wrong, but still I put it out there in case anyone is interested.
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You may have lost track, which is completely understandable, but this thread is about the US election. Or I thought it was anyway.
But the video seemed to come from Guardian News. I'm surprised that you consider them a credible source.
Well, Trump has been cast as some anti-Muslim crazy by democrats for his cautiousness about letting Muslims into America. So the fact the Macron and France are having problems with Muslim immigrants, show Trump was smarter than the democrats, and Macron. After all, the Muslim who knifed three French to death had just immigrated to France from a Muslim nation.
I don't know anything about the politics of the Guardian News. Are you claiming that the videos in the link provided from five Muslim nations showing Muslims there demonstrating and burning posters of Macron are phoney?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsCyEx1Soo
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From time to time, people on this thread and others have expressed opinions about how bad health care is in Canada because it's a one-payer system administered by the government. The arguments follow a pattern and it may interest you to know why people have formed these predictiable opinions. In part, they were instilled into your heads by a deliberate disinformation campaign by the insurance industry. NPR's Planet Money podcast recently aired a show about that, interviewing the actual horse's mouth, as it were, https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada (https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada).
You don't have to listen to this, I know it's difficult to listen to someone tell you how you were duped and why you're wrong, but still I put it out there in case anyone is interested.
What does this have to do with the US election?
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Wow, early voting in Texas has surpassed the entire turnout from 2016. I've seen similar statistics for some other states. It's good to see everyone out voting! Only a few more days and this thread is history.
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I'm going to run with the idea that this is all true, and that (Joe) Biden DID meet with the guy from Burisma. I have it on good authority that, in fact, Biden has already responded to this. Here's the quote I found:
You can find the quote buried at WAPO somewhere. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/11/brief-history-trump-downplaying-his-relationships-with-politically-inconvenient-people/)
So you don't have a problem with Biden? Just wondering? Oh wait, you don't my bad.
BTW did any of those Trump interactions have any connection to a Billion Dollars going to Ukraine? Again, just wondering.
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Language is important: it's how we communicate, particularly when we can't take photographs. Words have meanings. They are not your playthings, to be misused.
Jeremy
Absolutely! Words have meaning. Veracity, concision and clarity are hallmarks of good writing and effective communication.
It's interesting, however, that you would point out TechTalk's minor (and debatable) infraction, yet ignore the wider, consistent transgressions of spelling and grammar commonly seen here.
My comments on those transgressions have usually been met with derision and disapproval. We can only assume that, for those offenders, words don't have meaning and spelling is irrelevant.
Too bad. They're the ones who have their resumes tossed in the trashcan.
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Wow, early voting in Texas has surpassed the entire turnout from 2016. I've seen similar statistics for some other states. It's good to see everyone out voting! Only a few more days and this thread is history.
We'll all need a tranquilizer to come down and detox. Notice I've removed the MAGA mask from my avatar. Not because I think he's going to lose. But because I'm fearful of getting attacked by a Democrat if he wins. :)
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We'll all need a tranquilizer to come down and detox. Notice I've removed the MAGA mask from my avatar. Not because I think he's going to lose. But because I'm fearful of getting attacked by a Democrat if he wins. :)
I see a very low probability of that happening.
Your wife, however...
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Well, I have been giving this whole question of whether Muslims are pro-Trump or anti-Trump some further thought. It is kind of like that mosquito bite you just can't stop scratching. Anyway, maybe Alan is right. Maybe Muslims are pro-Trump. I mean Alan reads Arabic and knows what the protest signs say and everything, so really he is in the better position to know whether Muslims are pro-Trump or not. Then I thought, since Muslims are pro-Trump, and Alan is pro-Trump, Alan must be a Muslim. So I apologize if anything I've said has offended your religious sensibilities.
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But the video seemed to come from Guardian News. I'm surprised that you consider them a credible source.
Well, everything they say about Harry and Meghan is true, so they must be a pretty credible source.
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I just went over to my newsfeed to see if I could find something relating to the election that we could discuss. I found a bunch of articles about the election, but came up empty. Seems like you can explain or comment on stuff about six different ways, so that takes care of Monday through Saturday, and then they just do a summary on Sunday. So now you know where the expression "six ways to Sunday" comes from. Seeing that, I really didn't think there was a anything to say. I think I will just turn off my newsfeed until Tuesday, and the subject changes to massive voter fraud. I guess I will be able to get all worked up about that depending on who wins. Anyway, I haven't heard back from my real estate agent about whether I can even get internet at my cabin in the woods, so maybe I'll never have to read anything about this election again, and that would be a big relief. None of this stuff really affects me in my everyday life anyway. I've got a pretty good stash of incandescent light bulbs, so I am not really all that worried about AOC and the Green New Deal.
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To put it another way, you misused the word. You are not Humpty Dumpty. I forbore from pointing out also that it's is an adverb, not an adjective.
Language is important: it's how we communicate, particularly when we can't take photographs. Words have meanings. They are not your playthings, to be misused. So yes, it's an important topic; not, as you narcissistically suggest, specifically your vocabulary but language in general.
It's also far more interesting than the subject of the thread, but that's a separate point.
Jeremy
Exponentially is certainly an adverb and was applied to the verb "ask" or to be more specific, its present participle verb form "asking". The use of the word "exponentially" was chosen to indicate that the asking should be done in a manner that went beyond your suggestion of "a lot" and to imply that whatever asking is currently being done should be rapidly expanded in both the volume of questions asked and the frequency with which they are asked. I'm not asking for, nor do I require, your approval or understanding of the manner in which I chose to use the word in question, though you're entitled to your opinion of it.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exponentially (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exponentially)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/usage-notes/exponential-figurative-use (https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/can-exponential-mean-lots-figurative-use)
I agree that words do have meanings and are not playthings to be misused. For instance, they shouldn't be misused to express an opinion on behalf of another which does not conform to the opinion of the person for whom you presume to speak. But for the most part, I think people should be free to express themselves in whatever way they choose whether it be colorful, obtuse, plainly spoken, poetic, or prosaic and free to use words narrowly defined or more broadly interpreted. Naturally, you are free to disagree with my position.
Since the reply that I posted was in response to an objection to a specific word choice and my usage of it in a sentence, I didn't think it narcissistic to refer to my own use of language in responding as opposed to initiating a discussion of language in general. However, we each have our own perception and perspective and far be it from me to attempt to alter yours. Your forbearance in what you choose for, or refrain from, pointing out is an admirable quality to be emulated.
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Absolutely! Words have meaning. Veracity, concision and clarity are hallmarks of good writing and effective communication.
It's interesting, however, that you would point out TechTalk's minor (and debatable) infraction, yet ignore the wider, consistent transgressions of spelling and grammar commonly seen here.
My comments on those transgressions have usually been met with derision and disapproval. We can only assume that, for those offenders, words don't have meaning and spelling is irrelevant.
Too bad. They're the ones who have their resumes tossed in the trashcan.
The thing is, when you don't make that many mistakes, when you do make a mistake, it really stands out like a sore thumb, so people comment on it. If you make a lot of mistakes, everyone gets used to it, and ignores them. I read about that in Psychology Today one time, but I don't have a link. So I make a lot of mistakes on purpose so people stop criticizing me. The other thing is, sometimes the people who correct you don't know what they are talking about. You can get into some pretty big fights on the internet when that happens.
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Well, Trump has been cast as some anti-Muslim crazy by democrats for his cautiousness about letting Muslims into America. So the fact the Macron and France are having problems with Muslim immigrants, show Trump was smarter than the democrats, and Macron. After all, the Muslim who knifed three French to death had just immigrated to France from a Muslim nation.
I don't know anything about the politics of the Guardian News. Are you claiming that the videos in the link provided from five Muslim nations showing Muslims there demonstrating and burning posters of Macron are phoney?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjsCyEx1Soo
It is amazing how you can relate the problems France is having with how "good" Trump is in handling Muslims... the current attacks in France stem from the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo, which actually originated already several years ago when their office was attacked.
I am sure you have seen the many past demonstrations in Muslim countries burning the USA flag, etc. Just because it is not happening today, it is not thanks to Trump.
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Jeremy says he is going to shut down political discussions here on Tuesday. I think that will help me be a better photographer because then I will have more time to take photographs. Then he said something about leaving one thread open so the addicts don't have to go cold turkey. I am not sure that is such a good idea. Sometimes it is best to go cold turkey.
I didn't see that, I guess because I don't read all the entries in this thread. It would be odd to close the election threads when the most important developments may actually happen after election day.
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An interesting take from Lindsey Graham on Trump, the state of the Republican Party, and conservatism in under two minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/Lindsey Graham on Trump and Republican Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xuzbJw1qr8)
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Well, I have been giving this whole question of whether Muslims are pro-Trump or anti-Trump some further thought. It is kind of like that mosquito bite you just can't stop scratching. Anyway, maybe Alan is right. Maybe Muslims are pro-Trump. I mean Alan reads Arabic and knows what the protest signs say and everything, so really he is in the better position to know whether Muslims are pro-Trump or not than I am. Then I thought, since Muslims are pro-Trump, and Alan is pro-Trump, Alan must be a Muslim. So I apologize if anything I've said has offended your religious sensibilities.
I was going to say something. But I want to keep my head.
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The thing is, when you don't make that many mistakes, when you do make a mistake, they really stand out, so people comment on them. If you make a lot of mistakes, everyone gets used to it, and ignores them. I read about that in Psychology Today one time, but I don't have a link. So I make a lot of mistakes on purpose so people stop criticizing me. The other thing is, sometimes the people who correct you don't know what they are talking about. You can get into some pretty big fights on the internet when that happens.
I started a fight the other day on another forum. I was saying something in jest. However, my laughing emoticon at the end of the sentence to assure people it was a joke came out somehow as an explanation point on one guy's screen. So he took my post as an insult and responded in kind. I was away for a few days and didn't know what was going on. In the meanwhile, everyone joined in the fight and insults flew and the first guy quit the forum. When I logged back in a few days later and saw the brouhaha, I apologized to him even though I didn't insult and he understood but still decided to leave. Wars start this way.
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An interesting take from Lindsey Graham on Trump, the state of the Republican Party, and conservatism in under two minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/Lindsey Graham on Trump and Republican Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xuzbJw1qr8)
I wonder if anyone saw that and sent him $25. He is coming up a little short on the old campaign trail. Besides, he changes his mind a lot, and doesn't update his videos. If this isn't his latest video, you'll be wasting a lot of valuable time watching it.
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I started a fight the other day on another forum. I was saying something in jest. However, my laughing emoticon at the end of the sentence to assure people it was a joke came out somehow as an explanation point on one guy's screen. So he took my post as an insult and responded in kind. I was away for a few days and didn't know what was going on. In the meanwhile, everyone joined in the fight and insults flew and the first guy quit the forum. When I logged back in a few days later and saw the brouhaha, I apologized to him even though I didn't insult and he understood but still decided to leave. Wars start this way.
That's why I suggested earlier that Jeremy might want to re-think the whole idea of leaving one political thread open for the addicts. It is obvious that none of us have the necessary self-control to stop posting on our own.
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It is amazing how you can relate the problems France is having with how "good" Trump is in handling Muslims... the current attacks in France stem from the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo, which actually originated already several years ago when their office was attacked.
I am sure you have seen the many past demonstrations in Muslim countries burning the USA flag, etc. Just because it is not happening today, it is not thanks to Trump.
The Muslim community in America doesn't act violently as many Muslims immigrants in France and elsewhere. Maybe that's because native Americans are much more tolerant of them and their customs. It may be also because America, an immigrant nation, gives them a bigger stake in our country to be successful economically, socially, and politically. While they keep their faith and customs, they are allowed to integrate into the common public square and community. They become real Americans. VP candidate Harris is a perfect example. Her mother is from India. Yet she's running for the second highest office in the USA.
Part of the problem in Europe is that countries are not immigrant nations like America. So immigrants there tend to be treated as outsiders even when they become citizens of their adopted countries. That creates resentment with them. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, only what is. So you should look inwards and check your record before you criticize America.
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So you don't have a problem with Biden? Just wondering? Oh wait, you don't my bad.
I've never said that. In fact I have serious problems with some of the actions of the Obama/Biden administration, and Biden was low down on my list of Dem candidates. It's just that I find the wailing and gnashing of teeth about hints of Biden's alleged impropriety to be massively hypocritical coming from Trump supporters, who's preferred candidate both refuses to disclose or divest from his known conflicts of interest AND installed his family (some of whom couldn't even get security clearances) *inside the freakin' White House.*
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An interesting take from Lindsey Graham on Trump, the state of the Republican Party, and conservatism in under two minutes...
https://www.youtube.com/Lindsey Graham on Trump and Republican Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xuzbJw1qr8)
I wonder if anyone saw that and sent him $25. He is coming up a little short on the old campaign trail. Besides, he changes his mind a lot, and doesn't update his videos. Is this his latest video, because otherwise you'll be wasting a lot of valuable time.
He certainly managed to say a lot in about 90 seconds. It could be condensed into quite an effective one-minute campaign ad.
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I've never said that. In fact I have serious problems with some of the actions of the Obama/Biden administration, and Biden was low down on my list of Dem candidates. It's just that I find the wailing and gnashing of teeth about hints of Biden's alleged impropriety to be massively hypocritical coming from Trump supporters, who's preferred candidate both refuses to disclose or divest from his known conflicts of interest AND installed his family (some of whom couldn't even get security clearances) *inside the freakin' White House.*
But the press has a journalistic responsibility to report the news fairly and not take sides, something they haven't done.
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The Muslim community in America doesn't act violently as many Muslims immigrants in France and elsewhere. Maybe that's because native Americans are much more tolerant of them and their customs. It may be also because America, an immigrant nation, gives them a bigger stake in our country to be successful economically, socially, and politically. While they keep their faith and customs, they are allowed to integrate into the common public square and community. They become real Americans. VP candidate Harris is a perfect example. Her mother is from India. Yet she's running for the second highest office in the USA.
Part of the problem in Europe is that countries are not immigrant nations like America. So immigrants there tend to be treated as outsiders even when they become citizens of their adopted countries. That creates resentment with them. I'm not saying what's right or wrong, only what is. So you should look inwards and check your record before you criticize America.
Consistently the USA ranks as the least racist country in the world, something many on the left look over. In surveys where they ask people would they be okay with a person of a different race living next door, we always rank the highest.
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Are those the same surveys taken at the last debate where Donald Trump declared he was the least racist person in the room?
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Consistently the USA ranks as the least racist country in the world, something many on the left look over. In surveys where they ask people would they be okay with a person of a different race living next door, we always rank the highest.
That's an interesting statistic, Joe.
Any links ?
And, incidentally, why is it limited to "many on the left" ?
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What does this have to do with the US election?
Noting whatsoever but the topic of health care has come up several times wrt pre-existing conditions and Obamacare with people making comments about non-USA health and I thought this was a useful addition to the discussion. I gave a description of what it was in the post, please don't listen to it if it does not interest you.
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Consistently the USA ranks as the least racist country in the world, something many on the left look over. In surveys where they ask people would they be okay with a person of a different race living next door, we always rank the highest.
When someone gets racially profiled (or worse) do you think the USA's world ranking really matters to them?
I actually believe Trump may not necessarily be a racist, or at least not in his own mind. I think he just tolerates or even panders to them if he thinks it might benefit him and/or hurt his perceived enemies. Which to me is just as bad without being the same thing.
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When someone gets racially profiled (or worse) do you think the USA's world ranking really matters to them?
I actually believe Trump may not necessarily be a racist, or at least not in his own mind. I think he just tolerates or even panders to them if he thinks it might benefit him and/or hurt his perceived enemies. Which to me is just as bad without being the same thing.
I am sure it does not, but that does not happen often.
And when does he pander to them? Trump has denounced racists and white nationalist repeatably. It's been in the news.
I think the real issue the the lefts network of systematic bull shit and putting a expiration date on any from the right's declarations against racism, while ignoring it is the right who banishes racists in their party, not the left. Ilan Omar, anti-semite, is still welcome with open arms in the Democratic party.
But anyway, if you want to talk about moral cowardice, get back to me when Biden denounces Antifa by name.
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The Muslim community in America doesn't act violently as many Muslims immigrants in France and elsewhere. Maybe that's because native Americans are much more tolerant of them and their customs. It may be also because America, an immigrant nation, gives them a bigger stake in our country to be successful economically, socially, and politically. While they keep their faith and customs, they are allowed to integrate into the common public square and community. They become real Americans. VP candidate Harris is a perfect example. Her mother is from India. Yet she's running for the second highest office in the USA.
I just wanted to point out the possibility of making an error when discussing what muslims think or do in various places around the world. There are a lot of people who belong to that faith, so ascribing any ideas to the entire group is fraught. Do you think it's true to say that most white people like scones, for instance? Are all Christians papists? Since we all seem to be agreeing that language is important today, I just wanted to point that out.
And one more thing. I assume that when you speak of muslims you're probably really thinking of radical jihadists. I admit that's just an assumption on my part, but insofar as that's true then maybe there is a connection between them and Trump, since they both rely on support from fundamentalists and Trump seems to have emerged as a kind of prophet to some parts of American evangelism, as improbable as that seems. Now, is that logic tortuous enough for you?
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But the press has a journalistic responsibility to report the news fairly and not take sides, something they haven't done.
You mean like Hannity?
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I am sure it does not, but that does not happen often.
And when does he pander to them? Trump has denounced racists and white nationalist repeatably. It's been in the news.
I think the real issue the the lefts network of systematic bull shit and putting a expiration date on any from the right's declarations against racism, while ignoring it is the right who banishes racists in their party, not the left. Ilan Omar, anti-semite, is still welcome with open arms in the Democratic party.
But anyway, if you want to talk about moral cowardice, get back to me when Biden denounces Antifa by name.
"Very fine people" comes to mind. I'm sure I could find other examples but I can't be bothered.
I'd consider Trump as being without morals entirely. There are no morals to be a coward about.
Lol about Antifa. They aren't even an organization. And I think a lot of reasonable people don't disagree with a stance that is primarily defined as being anti-fascist. Although I personally disagree with some people's actions done in the name of Antifa, I would consider myself an anti-fascist too.
It's not like they have been an organized group intimating and murdering innocent people for hundreds of years. It looks like the first potential "Antifa killing" just happened this summer and it sounds like the shooter believed he was acting in self defense (or defense of another) from what appear to be domestic terrorists.
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The Muslim community in America doesn't act violently as many Muslims immigrants in France and elsewhere. Maybe that's because native Americans are much more tolerant of them and their customs.
You don't live around where I live. Some Muslims in a town down the road bought this old church that the Presbyterians or someone were selling, probably because everybody around here has stopped going to church, and were going to convert it into a mosque. They had to get a building permit because of all the stuff they planned on doing. Anyway, the tolerant native Americans in town decided that it was a mortal sin or something to convert a church into a mosque, and so they filed a lot of lawsuits over the building permit, and it took four or five years to resolve. I think by then, the church, as renovated, wasn't going to big enough because their Muslim community had grown in the interim. So they had to look for an alternative, and I am pretty sure they are going to have to go through the same thing again. So even though there haven't been any riots on either side, it doesn't mean that some native Americans aren’t all that tolerant. I think these Muslims have shown pretty good restraint. If I were one of them, at some point I would have thought about burning down a Masons Lodge or something. It obviously wouldn't make sense to burn down a church because nobody goes to church, and the congregation would probably say thanks, and hurry down to the mailbox to collect the insurance proceeds. That's not going to advance your cause.
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I didn't see that, I guess because I don't read all the entries in this thread. It would be odd to close the election threads when the most important developments may actually happen after election day.
It's not in this thread. See here (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=136535.0).
That's why I suggested earlier that Jeremy might want to re-think the whole idea of leaving one political thread open for the addicts. It is obvious that none of us have the necessary self-control to stop posting on our own.
It was Josh's suggestion, to which I acquiesced. It will not survive any disturbance it causes.
Jeremy
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But the press has a journalistic responsibility to report the news fairly and not take sides, something they haven't done.
And from whence does this responsibility arise.
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"Very fine people" comes to mind. I'm sure I could find other examples but I can't be bothered.
I'd consider Trump as being without morals entirely. There are no morals to be a coward about.
Lol about Antifa. They aren't even an organization. And I think a lot of reasonable people don't disagree with a stance that is primarily defined as being anti-fascist. Although I personally disagree with some people's actions done in the name of Antifa, I would consider myself an anti-fascist too.
It's not like they have been an organized group intimating and murdering innocent people for hundreds of years. It looks like the first potential "Antifa killing" just happened this summer and it sounds like the shooter believed he was acting in self defense (or defense of another) from what appear to be domestic terrorists.
Ahhh, here we go, the very fine people quote, yet again taken out of context and not aknowledging he denounced white nationals in the same exact sentence right before saying that. Not the paragraph, but the same exact sentence.
Get your facts straight Matt. But if you cant, here is a link from USA Today explaining it to you,
Trump did condemn white supremacists, too bad so many people won't listen (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/10/02/trump-and-white-supremacy-he-did-condemn-and-has-repeatedly-column/5883336002/)
BTW, nice to see you being fooled by the linguistic over load of Antifa. Do you think the People Republic of North Korea is a republic too?
Antifa has a flag, they have a uniform, they have leaders, they are an organization. They are not anti-facist as they imply, but far left radicals using the same fascist tactics as all fascists do, like sending out brown shirts to shut people up.
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Consistently the USA ranks as the least racist country in the world, something many on the left look over.
Yeah, it's worse elsewhere is always a winning argument. That's why the guy in the pond who is up to his ass in alligators isn't all that consoled when someone says to him "You're lucky, the pond over there has snakes and alligators."
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Consistently the USA ranks as the least racist country in the world, something many on the left look over. In surveys where they ask people would they be okay with a person of a different race living next door, we always rank the highest.
I would go further and say that while things can always be improved, the US is the best multi-cultural country in the world.
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I would go further and say that while things can always be improved, the US is the best multi-cultural country in the world.
I would go even further and say we have been the only true multi-cultural country in the world since Rome.
I spoke way too broadly here and apologize to anyone who take offense to this. I realized this while I was at the gym and wanted to correct this statement on my own.
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Yeah, its worse elsewhere is always a winning argument.
Just like always comparing us to your own vision of Utopia, I'm sorry, I mean a "more perfect union" without ever defining what you are talking about.
What gets me the most with so many people is that they think the current state of things in the USA is akin to (as Douglas Murray put it) the color of paint before you add any color to it. As if this is the normal state of being is and if we just start over, we would end up right where we are now.
We would not. The normal state of being is racism, tribalism, oppression, poverty and so many other bad things. Yet, I see so many on the left, not necessarily you but people you are allying yourself with, insisting we should break the whole system down and start over like we would ever get back to where we are now.
It is almost certain we would not.
So when I see one side insisting that America is the fruit of the poisonous tree because we had slavery (like every culture throughout history) and we therefore need to tear the whole system down and start over versus America is an exceptional country that has the best ideals in history, ideals we did not always live up to but none the less are worth fighting for and improving, it is a pretty easy choice.
You know, I always see the statement we need to be taught to be racist. No, we need to be taught not to be racist. All mammals are born with the trait to trust what ever looks like your parents and to distrust what ever does not, a rather important evolutionary trait that keeps young mammals from being eaten. Yet, for us, it breads tribalism. Now there is always room for improvement, but to insist we should start over, I'm not buying that.
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Noting whatsoever but the topic of health care has come up several times wrt pre-existing conditions and Obamacare with people making comments about non-USA health and I thought this was a useful addition to the discussion. I gave a description of what it was in the post, please don't listen to it if it does not interest you.
Well I ask the question because you asked the same question of me in your post 3579 - What does this have to do with the US election? I was returning the favor :)
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You mean like Hannity?
Hannity is a talking head, a talk show host who takes political positions like everyone on CNN. He's not Fox news nor a journalist. But the main point is 90% of media is anti-Trump in supposedly unbiased press like the NY Times and the Washington Post and on public broadcast news like ABC NBC and CBS. It's this media that's letting down the public by providing one-side journalism. It's basically propaganda, not news.
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And from whence does this responsibility arise.
Well, the Constitution provides freedom of the press. Our founders thought that we needed some way of getting the truth, all the truth, to the public so they could make informed decisions in a representative democracy when they vote and take other public actions. When journalists think they are suppose to use the news to influence the public with their beliefs, they forgot what they learned in Journalism 101.
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Ahhh, here we go, the very fine people quote, yet again taken out of context and not aknowledging he denounced white nationals in the same exact sentence right before saying that. Not the paragraph, but the same exact sentence.
Get your facts straight Matt. But if you cant, here is a link from USA Today explaining it to you,
Trump did condemn white supremacists, too bad so many people won't listen (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/10/02/trump-and-white-supremacy-he-did-condemn-and-has-repeatedly-column/5883336002/)
BTW, nice to see you being fooled by the linguistic over load of Antifa. Do you think the People Republic of North Korea is a republic too?
Antifa has a flag, they have a uniform, they have leaders, they are an organization. They are not anti-facist as they imply, but far left radicals using the same fascist tactics as all fascists do, like sending out brown shirts to shut people up.
He was conveniently ambiguous enough with his poor command of the English language that if white nationalists were looking for a call to action, they could still find it in his words. Maybe it's just sloppy speech but it's a pattern that he repeats and that they respond to. A few more, just off the top of my head: There was also the Mexican rapists and murders thing, the debate callout to the Proud Boys, Obama birtherism, etc.
Do you have a citation for your Antifa "facts"? That doesn't come from a right wing fake news source? I don't doubt that is written somewhere but I do doubt it's true. Now I'll admit I'm not an authority on all things Antifa and things could be changing but it has always been considered a philosophy and not an organization by design.
I'm a pacifist so I don't fully embrace the Antifa movement, but I do understand why some feel like they need to escalate even if I do not agree.
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Just like always comparing us to your own vision of Utopia, I'm sorry, I mean a "more perfect union" without ever defining what you are talking about.
What gets me the most with so many people is that they think the current state of things in the USA is akin to (as Douglas Murray put it) the color of paint before you add any color to it. As if this is the normal state of being is and if we just start over, we would end up right where we are now.
We would not. The normal state of being is racism, tribalism, oppression, poverty and so many other bad things. Yet, I see so many on the left, not necessarily you but people you are allying yourself with, insisting we should break the whole system down and start over like we would ever get back to where we are now.
It is almost certain we would not.
So when I see one side insisting that America is the fruit of the poisonous tree because we had slavery (like every culture throughout history) and we therefore need to tear the whole system down and start over versus America is an exceptional country that has the best ideals in history, ideals we did not always live up to but none the less are worth fighting for and improving, it is a pretty easy choice.
You know, I always see the statement we need to be taught to be racist. No, we need to be taught not to be racist. All mammals are born with the trait to trust what ever looks like your parents and to distrust what ever does not, a rather important evolutionary trait that keeps young mammals from being eaten. Yet, for us, it breads tribalism. Now there is always room for improvement, but to insist we should start over, I'm not buying that.
I think you are overreacting, and have worked yourself into a lather. I could go into a long dissertation about it, but the sun is out and it's a beautiful, crisp fall day, and I am going to take my dogs for a long walk, without a mask, though I'll have one handy in case I meet someone who wants to say hello to my dogs, because it's the neighborly thing to do even if it may not be all that effective at preventing the spread of coronavirus, and just enjoy the fresh air and companionship. I suggest you do the same, even if you don't have dogs. It might help you gain a better perspective on things.
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I think LuLa provides more balanced reporting of news than most media today. The NY Times doesn;t allow me to give my point without their review of every word. At least here, you can read both sides of issues. And for that I'm thankful.
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Well I ask the question because you asked the same question of me in your post 3579 - What does this have to do with the US election? I was returning the favor :)
I figured as much, but at least health care has something to do with the election.
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I think LuLa provides more balanced reporting of news than most media today. The NY Times doesn;t allow me to give my point without their review of every word. At least here, you can read both sides of issues. And for that I'm thankful.
I don't know why you think there are only two sides to an issue, but I think I know what you mean.
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He was conveniently ambiguous enough with his poor command of the English language that if white nationalists were looking for a call to action, they could still find it in his words. Maybe it's just sloppy speech but it's a pattern that he repeats and that they respond to. A few more, just off the top of my head: There was also the Mexican rapists and murders thing, the debate callout to the Proud Boys, Obama birtherism, etc.
Do you have a citation for your Antifa "facts"? That doesn't come from a right wing fake news source? I don't doubt that is written somewhere but I do doubt it's true. Now I'll admit I'm not an authority on all things Antifa and things could be changing but it has always been considered a philosophy and not an organization by design.
I'm a pacifist so I don't full embrace the Antifa movement, but I do understand why some feel like they need to escalate even if I do not agree.
Trump talks colloquially, He doesn't choose his words carefully like a normal politician does. He's a Queen's real estate developer from NYC. They've learned to talk out of both sides of their mouths with eloquence talking all sides so they offend no one. Regarding rapists and murderers, I remember that speech. He was referring to some of the cross border Mexicans not all of them. The point being that we were letting in some bad people. OF course ht==that was twisted to make it seem like he was referring to everyone. Same with Obama tapping Trump's phone another expression meaning secret surveillance but twisted by the press to make it seem like he meant Obama was actually listening in on his phone. His words are twisted all the time.
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I don't know why you think there are only two sides to an issue, but I think I know what you mean.
It is called black and white thinking, and is a logical fallacy, at the very minimum.
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It is called black and white thinking, and is a logical fallacy, at the very minimum.
You both are playing word games. Just what you do with Trump. Everyone else knows what I mean.
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Trump talks colloquially, He doesn't choose his words carefully like a normal politician does. He's a Queen's real estate developer from NYC. They've learned to talk out of both sides of their mouths with eloquence talking all sides so they offend no one. Regarding rapists and murderers, I remember that speech. He was referring to some of the cross border Mexicans not all of them. The point being that we were letting in some bad people. OF course ht==that was twisted to make it seem like he was referring to everyone. Same with Obama tapping Trump's phone another expression meaning secret surveillance but twisted by the press to make it seem like he meant Obama was actually listening in on his phone. His words are twisted all the time.
If he insists on being a salesman from Queens, some people will treat him like a salesman from Queens. It is his own damn fault. If you want to genuflect before a salesman from Queens, that's your choice, but don't whine about it when others don't do the same.
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But the main point is 90% of media is anti-Trump in supposedly unbiased press like the NY Times and the Washington Post and on public broadcast news like ABC NBC and CBS. It's this media that's letting down the public by providing one-side journalism. It's basically propaganda, not news.
Did it ever occur to you that your anti-Trump 90% of MSM might actually be correct? And that the other 10% that are supposedly pro-Trump might actually be wrong?
I mean, heck. 9:1 odds are pretty steep.
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He's a Queen's real estate developer from NYC. They've learned to talk out of both sides of their mouths with eloquence talking all sides so they offend no one. His words are twisted all the time.
No. His words are not "twisted all the time". He says what he says.
And please don't use the word "eloquence" when referring to Trump. He is anything but.
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Well, the Constitution provides freedom of the press.
Well, if they are free, they can cover or not cover the stories they want, and be pro-Trump or anti-Trump, or whatever else. It's their decision. The Constitution doesn't say the press has to be fair. You are an originalist, so quit complaining about it. I don't remember the press being fair when the Founding Fathers were around, so I don't know why you expect them to be fair now. The next thing you know you'll be complaining that Upton Sinclair didn't also write a book on the favorable aspects of the meat packing industry, or, God forbid, Bob Woodward didn't also write a book on the favorable aspects of the Trump presidency.
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Let's try a nice collegial question, with no arguments or details or wishful thinking.
Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?
Me: Biden
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Let's try a nice collegial question, with no arguments or details or wishful thinking.
Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?
Good suggestion, I’ve added a poll, open for 3 days
You’ll need to vote again, though.
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Good suggestion, I’ve added a poll, open for 3 days
You’ll need to vote again, though.
Oh for God's sake. Now if the poll doesn't go Trump's way, we are going to have to listen to people whine about the fairness of the question.
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Good suggestion, I’ve added a poll, open for 3 days
However before you record your guess, remember that we don't have national elections in the United States. All elections, even for federal offices such as president and vice president, and for members of the national Senate and the House of Representatives, are conducted by the states. And those who will serve as president and vice president are, uniquely, decided by state-by-state assignment of "electoral votes" a mechanism, roughly based on proportional representation (https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/allocation), by which the states select among the competing candidates after the election has been conducted based on the votes cast by their respective residents.
Joe Biden is all but certain to win the popular vote, just as Hillary Clinton did in 2016. Based on the publicly available survey data, he probably will win the electoral vote as well, but I wouldn't count Trump out yet. An important factor is likely to be voter "turnout"―the ability of the two candidates, and the parties and interest groups supporting them, to persuade their supporters actually to vote. High turnout probably works to the advantage of Democratic Party candidates, but the Democrats historically have had difficulty getting certain demographic groups that tend to favor them to vote, particularly young people. And a number of states with Republican-controlled governments have been engaged in extraordinary efforts, most of them presumptively legal, to depress voter turnout.
And, again, the national vote totals won't determine the outcome; the state elections will. For those inclined to stay up all night (here in North America) or get up very early (on the other side of the Atlantic)―those of you Down Under should have it relatively easy―I would recommend watching two states: Florida and Texas. Both start counting early votes (such as mail-in ballots) before election day and both are therefore likely to be able to report their results ahead of many of the other so-called "battleground" states.
If Trump loses one of them, he still arguably could assemble a winning electoral vote, but it's unlikely. If he should lose both, it's all but impossible to imagine any way he could be re-elected. The current survey data indicate Biden and Trump are very close in both states, with Biden having a probable advantage in Florida and Trump in Texas. I'm still skeptical about Biden's chances of prevailing in the latter, but the polls suggest it is possible and it's no coincidence that Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire former Democratic candidate, has decided to invest significant advertising money to defeat Trump in both states. (Bloomberg also decided at the last minute to invest in Ohio, another state that would normally be considered a certain winner for the Republican and a "must-win" state for Trump.)
So record your guess in the poll above, if you like, but keep in mind that while Trump started and is ending his term in office with unusually low national popularity, state-by-state support is what will actually determine the outcome.
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Here is an article, which some may characterize as a pack of lies from the commie/lib media, about why the commie/lib media may not be spending a lot of time covering the Hunter Biden laptop story. I have noticed that the number of stories about this issue has fallen off dramatically in the right wing, or right leaning, press, so maybe they have looked into it, and don't have much more to say. Or there may be some other reason why we aren't hearing more from them. I don't know if anything in the article is true or false, and am not trying to convince you to believe or not, but if you feel like it, you can read it, and assign to it whatever significance that you deem appropriate in the exercise of you own judgment.
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533
And then, with the same caveat, is this:
Tucker Carlson Suddenly Says It’s Time to Leave Hunter Biden Alone
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-suddenly-says-its-time-to-leave-hunter-biden-alone
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Here is an article, which some may characterize as a pack of lies from the commie/lib media, about why the commie/lib media may not be spending a lot of time covering the Hunter Biden laptop story. I have noticed that the number of stories about this issue has fallen off dramatically in the right wing, or right leaning, press, so maybe they have looked into it, and don't have much more to say. Or there may be some other reason why we aren't hearing more from them. I don't know if anything in the article is true or false, and am not trying to convince you to believe or not, but if you feel like it, you can read it, and assign to it whatever significance that you deem appropriate in the exercise of you own judgment.
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533
And then, with the same caveat, is this:
Tucker Carlson Suddenly Says It’s Time to Leave Hunter Biden Alone
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-suddenly-says-its-time-to-leave-hunter-biden-alone
My interpretation is that Tucker had a come-to-Jesus meeting with senior FOX management, who were displeased with him making the network look ridiculous with that "my dog ate my homework" bull he tried to pull. So he had to eat humble pie, but in a way that would not detract too much from his appeal on which they depend for some ad revenue. Tucker's long-term value to FOX may depend on the outcome of the election. Just my opinion, I'm not a TV exec, I just play one on the interweb.
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Here is an article, which some may characterize as a pack of lies from the commie/lib media, about why the commie/lib media may not be spending a lot of time covering the Hunter Biden laptop story. I have noticed that the number of stories about this issue has fallen off dramatically in the right wing, or right leaning, press, so maybe they have looked into it, and don't have much more to say. Or there may be some other reason why we aren't hearing more from them. I don't know if anything in the article is true or false, and am not trying to convince you to believe or not, but if you feel like it, you can read it, and assign to it whatever significance that you deem appropriate in the exercise of you own judgment.
Here's what happened when NBC News tried to report on the alleged Hunter Biden emails
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/here-s-what-happened-when-nbc-news-tried-report-alleged-n1245533
And then, with the same caveat, is this:
Tucker Carlson Suddenly Says It’s Time to Leave Hunter Biden Alone
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-suddenly-says-its-time-to-leave-hunter-biden-alone
The MSM is in a box now, The NYP is posting again on Twitter and the cats out of the bag. Besides as close as it is to the election the level of potential harm to Joe has been minimized. Mission accomplished.
So my question to NBC. Rudy would not give you the drive ,but gave you the chance to see the data in person. Why not at least go and check it out? Far easier I guess to claim they had to have the drive first.
In any case Tucker said at the start of this that he would not share personal or sexual Hunter material. It’s not some new revelation.
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My interpretation is that Tucker had a come-to-Jesus meeting with senior FOX management, who were displeased with him making the network look ridiculous with that "my dog ate my homework" bull he tried to pull. So he had to eat humble pie, but in a way that would not detract too much from his appeal on which they depend for some ad revenue. Tucker's long-term value to FOX may depend on the outcome of the election. Just my opinion, I'm not a TV exec, I just play one on the interweb.
Do you watch Tucker? Do you know what the advertising is like in his show? The lefts ban Tucker attacks took its toll on the big advertisers. They are long gone. Fox is not raking in big bucks from Tuckers show. What they get is eyeballs as he’s the highest rated show in cable prime time.
Other than that you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
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If Trump wins this election there will be a huge number of bookies who will be in deep financial trouble. :D
"Bookies have been left stunned by the sheer volume of money being placed on US President Donald Trump to win a second term in the Oval Office.
Two of Australia’s biggest bookmakers, Sportsbet and Ladbrokes, stand to lose around $10 million each if Trump can spring another major upset, this time against Joe Biden."
"There has been almost $400 million placed worldwide on the US election in matched wagers through betting exchange Betfair, with that figure expected to sit around $1 billion by the time polls close on Wednesday (AEDT)."
https://7news.com.au/sport/australian-bookies-stand-to-lose-staggering-amount-if-trump-wins-c-1481234
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Well, if they are free, they can cover or not cover the stories they want, and be pro-Trump or anti-Trump, or whatever else. It's their decision. The Constitution doesn't say the press has to be fair. You are an originalist, so quit complaining about it. I don't remember the press being fair when the Founding Fathers were around, so I don't know why you expect them to be fair now. The next thing you know you'll be complaining that Upton Sinclair didn't also write a book on the favorable aspects of the meat packing industry, or, God forbid, Bob Woodward didn't also write a book on the favorable aspects of the Trump presidency.
I said they can say whatever they want if that's want they want to do. But Congress should remove their protection from libel lawsuits so they can be treated and sued like every other news and media outlet. They whole reason Congress gave them that protection was so they would not censor speech of their subscribers which they are doing. That's what the whole complaint against Twitter was about recently.
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The MSM is in a box now, The NYP is posting again on Twitter and the cats out of the bag. Besides as close as it is to the election the level of potential harm to Joe has been minimized. Mission accomplished.
So my question to NBC. Rudy would not give you the drive ,but gave you the chance to see the data in person. Why not at least go and check it out? Far easier I guess to claim they had to have the drive first.
In any case Tucker said at the start of this that he would not share personal or sexual Hunter material. It’s not some new revelation.
What Hunter did was never the issue. It's what Joe Biden did or didn't do that's important.
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Going back to that 'not-so-small' issue of voter suppression ...
America has long held itself up as the world’s leading democracy, but it has an equally long history of denying people the right to vote.
To understand how voter suppression is shaping the 2020 election, just look at Texas. Last month, Texas’s governor, Greg Abbott, a Republican, abruptly issued an order that limited each county in the state to offer one ballot drop box. The move meant that Democratic-friendly Harris county, which covers more than 1,700 square miles and is home to 2.4 million registered voters, could only offer one place for voters to return their ballots. The state of Rhode Island, which is smaller than Harris county, will have more drop-off locations this year.
Denying people the right to vote (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/07/is-america-a-democracy-if-so-why-does-it-deny-millions-the-vote)
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The MSM is in a box now, The NYP is posting again on Twitter and the cats out of the bag. Besides as close as it is to the election the level of potential harm to Joe has been minimized. Mission accomplished.
So my question to NBC. Rudy would not give you the drive ,but gave you the chance to see the data in person. Why not at least go and check it out? Far easier I guess to claim they had to have the drive first.
Do you think NBC or anyone else has an obligation to cover the story? I don't think Fox has an obligation to cover the story, but if they want to incur the time and expense of doing so, then that is okay with me. Who knows, Fox may have the scoop of all scoops, and other members of the news media will regret their decision not to spend time covering it. Does Fox cover the story in its news shows or only in its opinion shows? Is Brett Baier covering the story for example? I don't know.
As far as the New York Post's Twitter feed being back, I went to it and scrolled through the tweets for a while and didn't see anything about the story, but then I don't know how to use Twitter very well, so my not finding anything may be the result of my own ineptitude. Most people probably know how to use Twitter and so presumably have easy access to whatever the New York Post is tweeting about the story. I don't know how many people look to the New York Post as their source of news. Do they have a national circulation? I have always considered the New York Post to be a tabloid, so I have never paid any attention to them. Maybe I have made an error in judgment in that regard. I also went to the New York Post website and didn't see anything about the story, except that the New York Post picked up 190,000 new followers to its Twitter feed during the period it was being blocked or whatever, which really didn't seem that many to me. Perhaps I overlooked something.
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Going back to that 'not-so-small' issue of voter suppression ...
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I would have to research it again to confirm but I believe it was a Texas Election law from before this election that there would only be one collection box per county. So follow the law, or if you don’t like it make new law. Just don’t think it’s ok to have a court change the law during an election.
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Do you think NBC or anyone else has an obligation to cover the story? I don't think Fox has an obligation to cover the story, but if they want to incur the time and expense of doing so, then that is okay with me. Who knows, Fox may have the scoop of all scoops, and other members of the news media will regret their decision not to spend time covering it. Does Fox cover the story in its news shows or only in its opinion shows? Is Brett Baier covering the story for example? I don't know.
As far as the New York Post's Twitter feed being back, I went to it and scrolled through the tweets for a while and didn't see anything about the story, but then I don't know how to use Twitter very well, so my not finding anything may be the result of my own ineptitude. Most people probably know how to use Twitter and so presumably have easy access to whatever the New York Post is tweeting about the story. I don't know how many people look to the New York Post as their source of news. Do they have a national circulation? I have always considered the New York Post to be a tabloid, so I have never paid any attention to them. Maybe I have made an error in judgment in that regard. I also went to the New York Post website and didn't see anything about the story, except that the New York Post picked up 190,000 new followers to its Twitter feed during the period it was being blocked or whatever, which really didn't seem that many to me. Perhaps I overlooked something.
No media outlet had any Duty to report this story. They can report what they want, and not reporting is taken at their potential peril.
This story is most likely done unless the Reps win. Congress might continue. But the story was newsworthy and voters deserved coverage, The cabal did its job, and suppressed the story long enough to try and get Joe over the finish line. But the question remains, did the press act responsibly and ultimately I think this will become the over-riding legacy of this issue. I think in the end the press loses. Imagine if Trump wins, and he just might, that the press hurt themselves for nothing.
I don’t know if you follow Glenn Greenwald. He was one of the founders of the Intercept. He recently quit after his own editors refused to run his story of this affair. I hate the outlets but the Daily Mail printed his piece in its entirety. It’s a long read but well worth the time regardless of which side you take. You should read it.
Glenn Greenwood’s Biden laptop story.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898085/GLENN-GREENWALDS-attack-medias-conspiracy-silence-Hunter-Bidens-laptops.html
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I would have to research it again to confirm but I believe it was a Texas Election law from before this election that there would only be one collection box per county.
That would be good to know. Should that be the case, it directly contradicts the "Last month, Texas’s governor, Greg Abbott, a Republican, abruptly issued an order that limited each county in the state to offer one ballot drop box."
Why this election calls into question whether America is a democracy (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/30/is-america-a-democracy-us-election-fight-to-vote)
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I don’t know if you follow Glenn Greenwald. He was one of the founders of the Intercept. He recently quit after his own editors refused to run his story of this affair. I hate the outlets but the Daily Mail printed his piece in its entirety. It’s a long read but well worth the time regardless of which side you take. You should read it.
Glenn Greenwood’s Biden laptop story.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898085/GLENN-GREENWALDS-attack-medias-conspiracy-silence-Hunter-Bidens-laptops.html
I didn’t know anything about Greenwald or the Intercept, so I looked them up and learned a little bit about them. I did read in the commie/lib media that some writers or editors or whatnot at the New York Post refused to allow their bylines to be attached to the story, so there appears to be some disagreement about the issue. I think I also read in the commie/lib media that the story was first pitched to the WSJ and they turned down, so it was offered to New York Post and they ended up with it. More disagreement.
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I didn’t know anything about Greenwald or the Intercept, so I looked them up and learned a little bit about them. I did read in the commie/lib media that some writers or editors or whatnot at the New York Post refused to allow their bylines to be attached to the story, so there appears to be some disagreement about the issue. I think I also read in the commie/lib media that the story was first pitched to the WSJ and they turned down, so the New York Post ended up with it. More disagreement.
That appears to be the case but does it change the situation? The emails have been verified. The story got squashed unlike many they ran with less verification about Trump. If that works for you, ok. Not for me.
Read that Greenwald piece. It may not change your mind but it will add some additioan perspective. As you now know, Greenwald is not right wing.
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So my question to NBC. Rudy would not give you the drive ,but gave you the chance to see the data in person. Why not at least go and check it out? Far easier I guess to claim they had to have the drive first.
Come on Craig, you can do better than this. Would the FBI accept an offer such as this one? You cannot possibly authenticate anything by just going over to Rudy's appartment for a view at some documents that may be real or fabricated. Forensic analysis doesn't work that way. It's the same as you sharing a photograph you took without the meta-data. You could say I took this last week and the meta-data says otherwise.
the fact that Rudy won't share the source material with groups that can do there own authentication speaks volumes. We still don't know how (or even if) The New York Post authenticated things prior to publication. The fact that the senior writer of the piece requested not to have his/her name on the article points to something fishy as well.
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Do you watch Tucker? Do you know what the advertising is like in his show? The lefts ban Tucker attacks took its toll on the big advertisers. They are long gone. Fox is not raking in big bucks from Tuckers show. What they get is eyeballs as he’s the highest rated show in cable prime time.
Why is it only Fox infotainment news shows hemorrhage advertisers? I don't see major losses at CNN or MSNBC.
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I said they can say whatever they want if that's want they want to do. But Congress should remove their protection from libel lawsuits so they can be treated and sued like every other news and media outlet. They whole reason Congress gave them that protection was so they would not censor speech of their subscribers which they are doing. That's what the whole complaint against Twitter was about recently.
Under your scenario I could sue LuLa and possibly Jeremy for censoring posts here. Jeremy may have immunity because he is a UK citizen. The Internet companies would likely use the 'fire in the theater' defense. The Internet platforms can establish terms and conditions and Sullivan v The New York Times is still the relevant barrier to overcome for any plaintiff. Just look at how successful Congressman Devin Nunes has been in his myriad of libel lawsuits. He is batting .000.
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Going back to that 'not-so-small' issue of voter suppression ...
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That's a slanted comparison. You're showing a map of the State of Rhode Island and comparing it to one county in Texas. If you show the Texas state map, it would show 254 drop off locations for the state, one for each county. 254! Mileage in Texas is beside the point. Everyone drives or knows someone who can drop off your ballot. If you can't do that, vote in person near your home or mail in your ballot. You have to take some responsibility to vote. There're plenty of options. Rhode Island has a total of 41 drop off locations. I believe Texas has one department of motor vehicles per county. If you can manage that, then you can manage one drop off location to vote assuming you can;t find a mailbox on your corner. :) It costs money and higher taxes to operate and man additional drop off locations. I assume the drop off location are the county government office so it's easy and cheap to set it up in those locations.
I've never voted by dropping off my ballot in my entire life and know no one who ever did. I've always voted in person or by mail. Simple enough. This is a tempest in a teapot.
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I would have to research it again to confirm but I believe it was a Texas Election law from before this election that there would only be one collection box per county. So follow the law, or if you don’t like it make new law. Just don’t think it’s ok to have a court change the law during an election.
There are a lot of ambiguities in election law. All of the Federal courts including The Supreme Court have been wildly inconsistent not only this year but in years past. According to your statement above, Bush v Gore was incorrectly decided as The Supreme Court overruled local election law!!!! Scalia expressed concerns about this exact point: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/scalia-thought-bush-v-gore-legal-rationale-was-a-piece-of-s-t-but-backed-it-anyway
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Come on Craig, you can do better than this. Would the FBI accept an offer such as this one? You cannot possibly authenticate anything by just going over to Rudy's appartment for a view at some documents that may be real or fabricated. Forensic analysis doesn't work that way. It's the same as you sharing a photograph you took without the meta-data. You could say I took this last week and the meta-data says otherwise.
the fact that Rudy won't share the source material with groups that can do there own authentication speaks volumes. We still don't know how (or even if) The New York Post authenticated things prior to publication. The fact that the senior writer of the piece requested not to have his/her name on the article points to something fishy as well.
The point here Alan is that that they did not even try have a look. The fact is Rudy DID share the material with people who could and DID do the work to verify the material.
And course the FBI had the material. They are using it as part of an investigation into Hunter We know that because Bobulinski was interviewed as a material witness.
The MSM did their job, they protected Biden. I'm so glad that makes you happy.
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Why is it only Fox infotainment news shows hemorrhage advertisers? I don't see major losses at CNN or MSNBC.
Because the lefites like to intimidate advertisers who support shows they don't like. Surely you can't be this uninformed. Still Tucker destroys all the other cable networks in ratings.
Tucker ad boycott.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/12/media/tucker-carlson-ad-boycott/index.html
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I've never voted by dropping off my ballot in my entire life and know no one who ever did. I've always voted in person or by mail. Simple enough. This is a tempest in a teapot.
If the postal service were reliable these days this would be a non-issue. In our local neighborhood, not a day goes by without someone reporting lost or misdelivered mail! This is why the drop off boxes are so important. We did not mail out ballots but dropped them off. We got an email two days letter noting they were received. I assume from your statement that you mailed yours, did you get notification that they were received?
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That appears to be the case but does it change the situation? The emails have been verified. The story got squashed unlike many they ran with less verification about Trump. If that works for you, ok. Not for me.
Read that Greenwald piece. It may not change your mind but it will add some additioan perspective. As you now know, Greenwald is not right wing.
I don't know which emails have been verified or by whom, but maybe you are satisfied that they are true and accurate copies of emails to and from Hunter Biden, which is fine by me. At this point, I don't feel like spending a lot of time on it. I am still trying to figure out what crime was committed by whom. I mean Trump and friends always said colluding was not a crime, so I don't know what they are really complaining about. Maybe Biden lied when he said he didn't ever talk with his son about business or had never been introduced to some Burisma guy or whatever. Trump supporters have said Biden is senile, so I don't know why they expect him to remember stuff. Besides, Trump lies every time he opens his mouth, so he doesn't exact occupy the moral high ground. I thought the Republicans in the Senate have already looked at all the stuff he and his son are supposed to have done in Ukraine and came up with nothing.
If this is a big deal, Barr should appoint a special counsel, and if Biden wins, Biden will have to wrestle with the issue of firing him or not. If Trump wins, we can go through the same process as we did with the so-called Russia hoax, and if it turns out that Biden did something wrong, met out the appropriate punishment. If they don't find anything, then he can phone up Joe and Mika every morning and whine about it. Then in 2024 he can find out something sinister about the Republican candidate, and we can do it all over again. Such is life.
I read the Greenwald piece and thought that he made some good points, but I didn't think it was dispositive on the issue. I think there is room for reasonable minds to differ on the issue.
In 2016, I thought Trump was more odious than Hillary, which is saying a lot, because I despise her. So I held my nose and voted for her, but I practically had to lash my hands to the steering wheel to drive over to the voting place. I was physically sick to my stomach when I pulled the lever. But I did my civic duty. I would have voted for almost any of the other Republican candidates. And it didn't make a bit of difference because I live in a red state, and Trump carried it by double digits. Then I went home and watched the returns, and was even sicker when they declared Trump the winner. Alan has said there is no Against Trump box, which is a load of bullshit. It's just semantics.
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Here are the 254 Texas Counties. One drop off location for each.
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Becuse the lefites like to intimidate advertisers who support shows they don't like. Surely you can't be this uninformed.
Then those on the right are just stupid. Why wouldn't they engage in the same efforts? The only way you can take action against the media is through targeted boycotts. This is the American way to protest!!! We are seeing lots ob boycotts of Goya products in our area right now because of what their CEO said several months ago. I stopped buying their stuff.
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Leonard Cohen's 1993 song 'Democracy' after all these years?
(Available on YouTube.)
Jonathan
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That would be good to know. Should that be the case, it directly contradicts the "Last month, Texas’s governor, Greg Abbott, a Republican, abruptly issued an order that limited each county in the state to offer one ballot drop box."
Why this election calls into question whether America is a democracy (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/30/is-america-a-democracy-us-election-fight-to-vote)
So it appears that several counties decided to have drop off boxes on their own, it was not Texas law.
Here is what this article says about Texas law and drop boxes.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/23/texas-mail-in-ballot-drop-off/
Texas does not have drop-off boxes, as have been implemented in other states. Instead, to drop off a mail-in ballot in person at any location, voters must present an approved form of identification to a poll worker, and voters may not turn in any one else’s ballot.
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Then those on the right are just stupid. Why wouldn't they engage in the same efforts? The only way you can take action against the media is through targeted boycotts. This is the American way to protest!!! We are seeing lots ob boycotts of Goya products in our area right now because of what their CEO said several months ago. I stopped buying their stuff.
Perhaps the right believes that Free Speach is a good thing and censorship sucks. So do like like censorship and the elimination of opposing views Alan?
So you liked the Goya products and then you quit buying them because the company owner did not think like you did? Cut off you nose to spite your face...Silly.
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I read the Greenwald piece and thought that he made some good points, but I didn't think it was dispositive on the issue. I think there is room for reasonable minds to differ on the issue.
Nothing wrong with differing opinions but do you think the Press did its job?
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There are a lot of ambiguities in election law. All of the Federal courts including The Supreme Court have been wildly inconsistent not only this year but in years past. According to your statement above, Bush v Gore was incorrectly decided as The Supreme Court overruled local election law!!!! Scalia expressed concerns about this exact point: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/scalia-thought-bush-v-gore-legal-rationale-was-a-piece-of-s-t-but-backed-it-anyway
Yes the courts have been inconsistant, and that too is a problem, but we deal with their decisions as they come. They are just people after all.
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Then those on the right are just stupid. Why wouldn't they engage in the same efforts? The only way you can take action against the media is through targeted boycotts. This is the American way to protest!!! We are seeing lots ob boycotts of Goya products in our area right now because of what their CEO said several months ago. I stopped buying their stuff.
And yet ... Goya invests $80M to expand plant as demand for its products grows (https://www.fooddive.com/news/goya-invests-80m-to-expand-plant-as-demand-for-its-products-grows/586956/)
But really the net result of the type of stupidity you are pushing is the economy breaking down into two separate ones, with liberal and conservative companies. We are already see the results of this with extreme drop in sports viewership.
Do you really think this would be healthy in the long run?
But the real issue I see with the left today is they assume they are so right and virtuous they feel they have the right to shut others up who disagree with them through whatever means. Having a disagreement is fine, but lobbying to get someone fired over something they said 4 or 5 years ago, it is getting out of hand. The WA Post actually wrote a story about a non-political women who wore a halloween costume in which she was making fun of Megan Kelly three years ago in a effort to get her fired. It worked. Your side has lost their damn minds.
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The poll of who's going to be sworn in as president should have a write in option. After all, if Biden/Harris wins, and Biden gets the covid and dies beforehand, Harris will become president. WHile I wish Joe no ill will, it's a possibility. ACtually, the same is true about Trump. He could die of suntan lotion poisoning and Pence would become president. If both winners (pres and VP) die, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Of course she would be sworn in immediately on their deaths. We wouldn't have to wait until Jan 21st. :o
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If the postal service were reliable these days this would be a non-issue. In our local neighborhood, not a day goes by without someone reporting lost or misdelivered mail! This is why the drop off boxes are so important. We did not mail out ballots but dropped them off. We got an email two days letter noting they were received. I assume from your statement that you mailed yours, did you get notification that they were received?
I agree with you. I heard the other day that I think Fox did a mail in test. They prepared hundreds of envelopes about the size of a typical ballot and mailed them from different regions of the country. From some areas 100% were delivered properly. But that wasn't the case in other areas. Overall about 2% never showed up or were returned "to sender". The post office acknowledged that's about right. ??? That means if 100 million mail in ballots were mail, 2 million would be lost and never counted. I suppose it could be argued that it would all balance out 50/50 between candidates of which were lost. But still. I wonder how many mistakes are made with voting machines, chads, and other counting processes?
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The poll of who's going to be sworn in as president should have a write in option. After all, if Biden/Harris wins, and Biden gets the covid and dies beforehand, Harris will become president. WHile I wish Joe no ill will, it's a possibility. ACtually, the same is true about Trump. He could die of suntan lotion poisoning and Pence would become president. If both winners (pres and VP) die, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Of course she would be sworn in immediately on their deaths. We wouldn't have to wait until Jan 21st. :o
Actually if Biden wins and dies before being sworn in, the constitution has no method on how to deal with that. You want to talk about litigation from hell.
What I like best though is the possibility of a 269-269 split. If this happened the House would decide the president, but there is a chance the split there could be 24-24 after the election, and the Senate decides the VP, but that could end up being 50-50.
It's 2020; so why not?
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Nothing wrong with differing opinions but do you think the Press did its job?
We won't know until the story plays out. Maybe the commie/lib press called it right.
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We won't know until the story play out. Maybe the commie/lib press called it right.
I think I know now, but YMMV
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Actually if Biden wins and dies before being sworn in, the constitution has no method on how to deal with that. You want to talk about litigation from hell.
What I like best though is the possibility of a 269-269 split. If this happened the House would decide the president, but there is a chance the split there could be 24-24 after the election, and the Senate decides the VP, but that could end up being 50-50.
It's 2020; so why not?
I was born on Dec 31, so News Years is a cool time for me, but I have never been more ready to say HAPPY NEW YEAR! Then again 2021 may be even worse :)
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Then those on the right are just stupid. Why wouldn't they engage in the same efforts? The only way you can take action against the media is through targeted boycotts. This is the American way to protest!!! We are seeing lots ob boycotts of Goya products in our area right now because of what their CEO said several months ago. I stopped buying their stuff.
I stopped going to movies of actors whose political opinions I don't like. They should stick to acting. On the other hand, I have no problem looking at your photos. 8)
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And yet ... Goya invests $80M to expand plant as demand for its products grows (https://www.fooddive.com/news/goya-invests-80m-to-expand-plant-as-demand-for-its-products-grows/586956/)
But really the net result of the type of stupidity you are pushing is the economy breaking down into two separate ones, with liberal and conservative companies. We are already see the results of this with extreme drop in sports viewership.
Do you really think this would be healthy in the long run?
But the real issue I see with the left today is they assume they are so right and virtuous they feel they have the right to shut others up who disagree with them through whatever means. Having a disagreement is fine, but lobbying to get someone fired over something they said 4 or 5 years ago, it is getting out of hand. The WA Post actually wrote a story about a non-political women who wore a halloween costume in which she was making fun of Megan Kelly three years ago in a effort to get her fired. It worked. Your side has lost their damn minds.
It's not a good way to act toward each other as well. After all, we have to live our lives beyond politics and get along. It becomes tiresome when everything is tied to it.
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Actually if Biden wins and dies before being sworn in, the constitution has no method on how to deal with that. You want to talk about litigation from hell.
What I like best though is the possibility of a 269-269 split. If this happened the House would decide the president, but there is a chance the split there could be 24-24 after the election, and the Senate decides the VP, but that could end up being 50-50.
It's 2020; so why not?
Wouldn't VP Pence decide the split Senate vote?
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I was born on Dec 31, so News Years is a cool time for me, but I have never been more ready to say HAPPY NEW YEAR! Then again 2021 may be even worse :)
I'm glad you had a good financial year in 2020. I think 2021 is going to be bad, regardless of who wins. I think we're all living in a dream world.
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I'm glad you had a good financial year in 2020. I think 2021 is going to be bad, regardless of who wins. I think we're all living in a dream world.
I was blessed with work compared to others but I'm still down about 25%. I'll take it considering. I have no clue what next year will bring but I'm at the end of my sell by date when to comes to working. I'll go another few years if I can but if next year is a bust I'll just retire.
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I was blessed with work compared to others but I'm still down about 25%. I'll take it considering. I have no clue what next year will bring but I'm at the end of my sell by date when to comes to working. I'll go another few years if I can but if next year is a bust I'll just retire.
I think a lot of older people are doing that if they can. Why beat a dead horse? When we moved to NJ from Queens, NYC, I continued to work for about a week. The commute was horrendous. So I said screw it and retired. I was 68. It was enough.
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That's a slanted comparison. You're showing a map of the State of Rhode Island and comparing it to one county in Texas. If you show the Texas state map, it would show 254 drop off locations for the state, one for each county. 254!
Texas is 257x the size of Rhode Island in terms of land coverage.
29,000,000 population v 1,095,000, almost 29x
So, NO, it's not a slanted comparison and I'll let you do the maths.
So it appears that several counties decided to have drop off boxes on their own, it was not Texas law.
Here is what this article says about Texas law and drop boxes.
To quote from your article,
"A state appeals court on Friday upheld a Travis County State district court order allowing Texas counties to have multiple drop-off locations for hand delivery of absentee ballots, undercutting Gov. Greg Abbott's recent directive limiting counties to one drop-off site. "
So the various appeals and counter-appeals. soon to reach the Texas Supreme Court, are in regard to the Governor's directive, which is as reported originally - not Texas state law.
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Actually if Biden wins and dies before being sworn in, the constitution has no method on how to deal with that.
Actually, it does.
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Texas is 257x the size of Rhode Island in terms of land coverage.
29,000,000 population v 1,095,000, almost 29x
So, NO, it's not a slanted comparison and I'll let you do the maths.
To quote from your article,
"A state appeals court on Friday upheld a Travis County State district court order allowing Texas counties to have multiple drop-off locations for hand delivery of absentee ballots, undercutting Gov. Greg Abbott's recent directive limiting counties to one drop-off site. "
So the various appeals and counter-appeals. soon to reach the Texas Supreme Court, are in regard to the Governor's directive, which is as reported originally - not Texas state law.
The state law makes no allowances for drop boxes. The some counties decided, alone, to put them in anyway. There is where the fight begins. State law requires a voter id when submitting a mail in ballot in person and you cannot submit a ballot for someone else.
So Abbott objected to counties doing their own thing. He relents and offered to have a single box per county. He could have said none.
and now this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/texas-supreme-court-drop-boxes/index.html
(CNN)The Texas Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled in favor of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's order to limit mail-in ballot drop box locations to one site per county, a decision that largely affects the Houston and Austin areas.
The court ruled that Abbott's order "provides Texas voters more ways to vote in the November 3 election than does the Election Code" and that it doesn't "disenfranchise anyone."
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"The plaintiffs complain that limiting early hand-deliveries of mail-in ballots to one office per county requires more travel time for some voters. But this ignores the other options for casting their ballots that these voters have," the opinion read. It noted that voters can also vote in person for an expanded period of time than usual, drop off their mail-in ballot in a 45-day window before Election Day rather than on November 3 only, and also mail in their ballots.
The court also argued the risk of mailing the ballot is "small," and "voters who are worried about it can mail their ballots in plenty of time before Election Day to eliminate the chance of untimely delivery."
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The poll of who's going to be sworn in as president should have a write in option. After all, if Biden/Harris wins, and Biden gets the covid and dies beforehand, Harris will become president. WHile I wish Joe no ill will, it's a possibility. ACtually, the same is true about Trump. He could die of suntan lotion poisoning and Pence would become president. If both winners (pres and VP) die, then Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Of course she would be sworn in immediately on their deaths. We wouldn't have to wait until Jan 21st. :o
See what I mean. Anybody want to guess how many posts it will take before someone complains that Kanye wasn't included. There were about 15 candidates for president on my ballot. Maybe we should add those to the list too. Or maybe "None" because the world may come to an end before the inauguration. My suggestion is that anybody who thinks the poll should be done a different way should do their own poll so they can have it exactly the way they want it.
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Texas is 257x the size of Rhode Island in terms of land coverage.
29,000,000 population v 1,095,000, almost 29x
So, NO, it's not a slanted comparison and I'll let you do the maths.
To quote from your article,
"A state appeals court on Friday upheld a Travis County State district court order allowing Texas counties to have multiple drop-off locations for hand delivery of absentee ballots, undercutting Gov. Greg Abbott's recent directive limiting counties to one drop-off site. "
So the various appeals and counter-appeals. soon to reach the Texas Supreme Court, are in regard to the Governor's directive, which is as reported originally - not Texas state law.
But there are plenty of drop-off boxes. They're called mail boxes. And you don't even have to pay for postage.
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So you liked the Goya products and then you quit buying them because the company owner did not think like you did? Cut off you nose to spite your face...Silly.
I don't buy Goya products, so I didn't start or stop buying them. The Hatch Act does not apply to the president so he can hawk whatever he wants from the Resolute Desk. I think it is unseemly, but people have different views about what is unseemly or not, and it is not illegal to be unseemly, so I just roll my eyes and say he's an idiot. The Hatch Act does apply to Ivanka, but no one is prosecuted under it. The DOJ or whoever, just sends a letter of reprimand, or sends a letter the person's supervisor telling them to reprimand the person, or whatever. Kellyanne Conway has violated the Hatch Act a bunch of times, and letters have been sent, and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. Oh, and one man's cutting off your nose to spite you face is another man's principled response.
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The state law makes no allowances for drop boxes. The some counties decided, alone, to put them in anyway. There is where the fight begins. State law requires a voter id when submitting a mail in ballot in person and you cannot submit a ballot for someone else.
So Abbott objected to counties doing their own thing. He relents and offered to have a single box per county. He could have said none.
and now this:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/politics/texas-supreme-court-drop-boxes/index.html
(CNN)The Texas Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled in favor of Republican Gov. Greg Abbott's order to limit mail-in ballot drop box locations to one site per county, a decision that largely affects the Houston and Austin areas.
The court ruled that Abbott's order "provides Texas voters more ways to vote in the November 3 election than does the Election Code" and that it doesn't "disenfranchise anyone."
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"The plaintiffs complain that limiting early hand-deliveries of mail-in ballots to one office per county requires more travel time for some voters. But this ignores the other options for casting their ballots that these voters have," the opinion read. It noted that voters can also vote in person for an expanded period of time than usual, drop off their mail-in ballot in a 45-day window before Election Day rather than on November 3 only, and also mail in their ballots.
The court also argued the risk of mailing the ballot is "small," and "voters who are worried about it can mail their ballots in plenty of time before Election Day to eliminate the chance of untimely delivery."
With drop off boxes, the governor gave Texas residents more ways to vote than usual. He did the opposite of disenfranchising voters. He made it easier. When you give some people an inch, they want a foot.
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See what I mean. Anybody want to guess how many posts it will take before someone complains that Kanye wasn't included. There were about 15 candidates for president on my ballot. Maybe we should add those to the list too. Or maybe "None" because the world may come to an end before the inauguration. My suggestion is that anybody who thinks the poll should be done a different way should do their own poll so they can have it exactly the way they want it.
Lighten up Frank. I was trying to be funny. :)
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I don't buy Goya products, so I didn't start or stop buying them. The Hatch Act does not apply to the president so he can hawk whatever he wants from the Resolute Desk. I think it is unseemly, but people have different views about what is unseemly or not, and it is not illegal to be unseemly, so I just roll my eyes and say he's an idiot. The Hatch Act does apply to Ivanka, but no one is prosecuted under it. The DOJ or whoever, just sends a letter of reprimand, or tells the person's supervisor to reprimand the person, or whatever. Kellyanne Conway has violated the Hatch Act a bunch of times, and letters have been sent, and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference whatsoever. Oh, and one man's cutting off your nose to spite you face is another man's principled response.
Never mind the Hatch act. Obama had the IRS go after political opponents.
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I don't buy Goya products, so I didn't start or stop buying them. The Hatch Act does not apply to the president so he can hawk whatever he wants from the Resolute Desk. I think it is unseemly, but people have different views about what is unseemly or not, and it is not illegal to be unseemly, so I just roll my eyes and say he's an idiot. The Hatch Act does apply to Ivanka, but no one is prosecuted under it. The DOJ or whoever, just sends a letter of reprimand, or sends a letter the person's supervisor telling them to reprimand the person, or whatever. Kellyanne Conway has violated the Hatch Act a bunch of times, and letters have been sent, and it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference whatsoever. Oh, and one man's cutting off your nose to spite you face is another man's principled response.
Stop buying beans you like because you don't like the owners politics is silly. What about all of those poor bean canners who might lose their jobs? The owner most likey still be fine. Maybe no new Corvette this year, but last years is still running ok. The little guys who might actually agree with you are the ones you might end up hurting. I guess thats a prinicipled response.
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So you liked the Goya products and then you quit buying them because the company owner did not think like you did? Cut off you nose to spite your face...Silly.
Failed reading comprehension yet again. I don't think I said I liked them. The only Goya products I ever purchased were dried beans and there are adequate substitutes for the brand.
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Never mind the Hatch act. Obama had the IRS go after political opponents.
Which of course doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about, but that is to be expected.
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But really the net result of the type of stupidity you are pushing is the economy breaking down into two separate ones, with liberal and conservative companies. We are already see the results of this with extreme drop in sports viewership.
I don't watch sports other than Euro soccer so that part of the statement is irrelevant. I'm not pushing the economy anywhere. I am exercising my right to buy or not buy a particular product. Maybe you do the same or maybe not.
But the real issue I see with the left today is they assume they are so right and virtuous they feel they have the right to shut others up who disagree with them through whatever means. Having a disagreement is fine, but lobbying to get someone fired over something they said 4 or 5 years ago, it is getting out of hand. The WA Post actually wrote a story about a non-political women who wore a halloween costume in which she was making fun of Megan Kelly three years ago in a effort to get her fired. It worked. Your side has lost their damn minds.
I might say that the cult members who thing MAGA solves everything have lost their damn minds. Why haven't the coal mining jobs come back? What happened to the Carrier jobs? Why is Lordstown OH a ghost town now? There are many more examples as well.
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I stopped going to movies of actors whose political opinions I don't like. They should stick to acting. On the other hand, I have no problem looking at your photos. 8)
...and I yours. We both have exceptional taste.
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Failed reading comprehension yet again. I don't think I said I liked them. The only Goya products I ever purchased were dried beans and there are adequate substitutes for the brand.
You said "I stopped buying their stuff."
So you were buying stuff you hated? ROFLMAO. Let it go Alan.
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With drop off boxes, the governor gave Texas residents more ways to vote than usual. He did the opposite of disenfranchising voters. He made it easier. When you give some people an inch, they want a foot.
I thought some counties had more than one drop box before his edict and ensuing litigation.
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Stop buying beans you like because you don't like the owners politics is silly.
I go back to the old activist days. I was involved with the grape boycott when in college. It worked for the farm workers.
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I go back to the old activist days. I was involved with the grape boycott when in college. It worked for the farm workers.
I thought boycotts were a generally accepted political activity.
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Which of course doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about, but that is to be expected.
Sure it does. This thread is about the presidential election. And Biden was VP in Obama's administration. So Obama's game playing washes off on his Veep. What did he know and when did he know it? It's fair game.
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...and I yours. We both have exceptional taste.
Well, not about political candidates. :)
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I go back to the old activist days. I was involved with the grape boycott when in college. It worked for the farm workers.
Interesting that during the grape controversy a few decades ago, Mexican American Cesar Chavez the farm workers union organizer, was against Mexican nationals illegally coming across the border. He knew they competed with American workers of Mexican descent. He would have approved of the wall. Trump would have made him Secretary of Agriculture. :)
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Sure it does. This thread is about the presidential election. And Biden was VP in Obama's administration. So Obama's game playing washes off on his Veep. What did he know and when did he know it? It's fair game.
You are absolutely right. And since Obama is a human being, and some human beings make ironing boards, let's talk about ironing boards. My wife's ironing board has green legs and a silver gray ironing surface. It even has this adjustment lever so you can raise and lower the ironing surface. Yours? I wonder about Michelle's ironing board. I don't think Melania has an ironing board, but maybe she does. I hope Trump doesn't start hawking ironing boards from the Resolute Desk. Not that is would be illegal. The Hatch Act doesn't apply to the president. Speaking about illegal, I wonder if Hunter Biden or Joe Biden did anything illegal. See, it's all relevant to the topic of the thread.
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I go back to the old activist days. I was involved with the grape boycott when in college. It worked for the farm workers.
What do you think your Goya boycott is going to actually accomplish? You are not protesting poor pay or working conditions, you are protesign someones opinion. Thats really powerful stuff. Who will your boycott actually hurt, the company owner or the workers? Typical liberal sillyness.
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I thought boycotts were a generally accepted political activity.
Yes they are and some like the Goya boycott are really stupid.
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Yes they are snd some like the Goya boycott are really stupid.
Some are and some aren't, and people differ on which is which. You really don't know until you see how the boycott works out. In this case, I think I remember reading that when the Goya customers who agreed with Goya guy's political stance heard about the boycott, they bought a big supply of Goya products, which more than offset the loss of sales to former Goya customers who didn't agree with Goya guy's political stance, so the boycott actually ending up increasing Goya's overall sales. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes the opposite happens. I think some boycotts have achieved good things, but I may be wrong.
Under no circumstances am I going to buy a My Pillow pillow, stupid or not. Sometimes it feels good to do something irrational. As long as you keep it at the beans and pillows level, I think everything will be okay.
I was thinking. Have you ever flipped the bird? Doesn't really achieve very much and there is always the chance you will get beat up. It is probably irrational, but sometimes you just have to do it. It might even be therapeutic. Maybe boycotting Goya beans and My Pillow pillows is therapeutic, maybe not to you, but to someone else. Then it would not be stupid. At least that is my opinion.
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Actually, it does.
No it does not.
The Dems would insist that Harris then would be sworn in, and the Republicans would insist the vote goes to the house while keeping Harris as VP. But it does not specify what you do if the president elect dies before being sworn in.
If you disagree, please cite the passage.
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Actually if Biden wins and dies before being sworn in, the constitution has no method on how to deal with that.
Actually, it does.
No it does not.
The Dems would insist that Harris then would be sworn in, and the Republicans would insist the vote goes to the house while keeping Harris as VP. But it does not specify what you do if the president elect dies before being sworn in.
If you disagree, please cite the passage.
It isn't like the United States Constitution is some lengthy document; it is all of about 17-pages long—including all of the amendments. But since you won't look it up yourself...
https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf (https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf)
20th Amendment - Section 3
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
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Some are and some aren't, and people differ on which is which. You really don't know until you see how the boycott works out. In this case, I think I remember reading that when the Goya customers who agreed with Goya guy's political stance heard about the boycott, they bought a big supply of Goya products, which more than offset the loss of sales to former Goya customers who didn't agree with Goya guy's political stance, so the boycott actually ending up increasing Goya's overall sales. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes the opposite happens. I think some boycotts have achieved good things, but I may be wrong.
Under no circumstances am I going to buy a My Pillow, stupid or not. Sometimes it feels good to do something irrational. As long as you keep it at the beans and pillows level, I think everything will be okay.
I was thinking. Have you ever flipped the bird? Doesn't really achieve very much and there is always the chance you will get beat up. It is probably irrational, but sometimes you just have to do it. It might even be therapeutic. Maybe boycotting Goya beans and My Pillow pillows is therapeutic, maybe not to you, but to someone else.
Staying away from too many beans is therapeutic, if you know what I mean.
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Some are and some aren't, and people differ on which is which. You really don't know until you see how the boycott works out. In this case, I think I remember reading that when the Goya customers who agreed with Goya guy's political stance heard about the boycott, they bought a big supply of Goya products, which more than offset the loss of sales to former Goya customers who didn't agree with Goya guy's political stance, so the boycott actually ending up increasing Goya's overall sales. Sometimes that happens. Sometimes the opposite happens. I think some boycotts have achieved good things, but I may be wrong.
Under no circumstances am I going to buy a My Pillow, stupid or not. Sometimes it feels good to do something irrational. As long as you keep it at the beans and pillows level, I think everything will be okay.
I was thinking. Have you ever flipped the bird? Doesn't really achieve very much and there is always the chance you will get beat up. It is probably irrational, but sometimes you just have to do it. It might even be therapeutic. Maybe boycotting Goya beans and My Pillow pillows is therapeutic, maybe not to you, but to someone else.
Heres my point again. In the case of Goya, what exactly is the thing the boycott might change? A man stated his opinion. If he's a man of principle its unlikely you will get him to change his opinion. So what is gained? Maybe cost him a bit if money ( or make him some more)? I doubt that this boycott will hurt him financially. Maybe a bit , but men of that kind of wealth see their fortunes rise and fall all the time. It will have little effect.
It's simply political theater, just like advertiser boycotts of shows like Tucker. Those boycotts likely hurt the advertisers more than Tucker of Fox, or they simply switched time slots to other Fox shows. Likely too many eyeballs for an advertiser to miss. Placate the libs and keep talking to the reps.
But you are correct about flippin ghe bird. I rarely do it and if my wife is around she consistanly reminds me its a futile gesture that accomplished nothing...kind of like boycotting Goya.
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It isn't like the United States Constitution is some lengthy document; it is all of about 17-pages long—including all of the amendments. But since you won't look it up yourself...
https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf (https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf)
20th Amendment - Section 3
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Aaaaaaannnnnd, silence from <insert usual suspects here>.
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It isn't like the United States Constitution is some lengthy document; it is all of about 17-pages long—including all of the amendments. But since you won't look it up yourself...
https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf
20th Amendment - Section 3
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
So let's see if I got this right. On swearing-in day on Jan 21, 2021, if a president had not been chosen because they're still counting chads or waiting for the US Postal Service to deliver all the mail-in ballots, the Congress can select an acting president until such time as a real president is elected or selected. Of course, if the congress is split with each party in charge of one of the two houses, that won't happen because they won't agree. So they agree to disagree and figure out that they'll have a mini election, lets say selecting two people and letting the electors from all the states vote for the winner. But here's where I'm confused. So he or she acts as president until when? The next election four years later? Or does Congress set up a full election right away by passing a constitutional amendment? The word qualify is throwing me off.
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So let's see if I got this right.
You don't. You don't have any of it right.
On swearing-in day on Jan 21, 2021
January 20th
if a president had not been chosen because they're still counting chads or waiting for the US Postal Service to deliver all the mail-in ballots
That's not how any of this works.
the Congress can select an acting president until such time as a real president is elected or selected.
Why not research it and let us know? Oh... never mind.
See 20th Amendment above - If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified.
OR
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/19 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/19)
3 U.S. Code § 19 - Vacancy in offices of both President and Vice President; officers eligible to act
(a)
(1) If, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President.
(c) An individual acting as President under subsection (a) or subsection (b) of this section shall continue to act until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, except that—
(1) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the failure of both the President-elect and the Vice-President-elect to qualify, then he shall act only until a President or Vice President qualifies; and
(2) if his discharge of the powers and duties of the office is founded in whole or in part on the inability of the President or Vice President, then he shall act only until the removal of the disability of one of such individuals.
So they agree to disagree and figure out that they'll have a mini election, lets say selecting two people and letting the electors from all the states vote for the winner.
Just shoot me! I can't take anymore!
Or does Congress set up a full election right away by passing a constitutional amendment?
Just imagine that I have a stunned blank stare with my mouth hanging open at this point.
The word qualify is throwing me off.
35-years of age. 14-years a resident within the United States. A citizen by birth. Alive and not incapacitated. Elected under the Constitutional provisions and applicable federal laws.
Do some research of your own!!
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Do some research of your own!!
It is much easier to yabber on endlessly about things you know little or nothing about, using specious reasoning, and say it is your opinion, and it is as valid as anyone else's. It is particularly galling when such persons have read a couple of articles on the internet, which they may or may not have understood, and so consider themselves experts, and expect everyone to take them seriously, and treat their opinions, often couched as fact until pressed, with respect.
My next post will be about particle physics. I read about it in Wikipedia last month while I was sitting on the can. Do you know why I chose Wikipedia as my go-to source? All the articles in the scientific journals were incomprehensible. Scientists need to learn how to write better.
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Here is a paper just released by a group at Stanford who quantify the number of COVID-19 cases arising from President Trump's campaign rallies: https://sebotero.github.io/papers/COVIDrallies_10_30_2000.pdf More than 30,000 cases arose from the rallies. Good thing we are turning the corner on the virus.
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What do you think your Goya boycott is going to actually accomplish?
It's pretty simple; I don't support companies whose CEO makes political statements. They should be non-partisan and only focus on running the business. That the Goya CEO was fawning over the President was wrong to me and I decided to stop buying their product. If you look at the CEOs of most major American corporations they stay out of the political limelight. You may have a different opinion and that is fine but it doesn't entitle you to call mine stupid which you also did.
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Somebody just sent me this. It comes under the heading of "Good Writing", discussed here recently.
Nate White
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Nathaniel Ridgway White was an award-winning journalist known for his business and financial reporting at The Christian Science Monitor. He received the second and third Gerald Loeb Awards for Newspapers, the most prestigious award for business journalism. Wikipedia
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It's pretty simple; I don't support companies whose CEO makes political statements. They should be non-partisan and only focus on running the business. That the Goya CEO was fawning over the President was wrong to me and I decided to stop buying their product. If you look at the CEOs of most major American corporations they stay out of the political limelight. You may have a different opinion and that is fine but it doesn't entitle you to call mine stupid which you also did.
So exactly who do you buy from then? And do political donations count?
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I agree with most of that, though it only scratches the surface, and I am not even British. Opinions differ though.
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You may have a different opinion and that is fine but it doesn't entitle you to call mine stupid which you also did.
Please quote me calling you stupid. I called the Goya boycott stupid.
Might I remind you that you also said this:
"Then those on the right are just stupid."
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Somebody just sent me this. It comes under the heading of "Good Writing", discussed here recently.
Nate White
“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Nathaniel Ridgway White was an award-winning journalist known for his business and financial reporting at The Christian Science Monitor. He received the second and third Gerald Loeb Awards for Newspapers, the most prestigious award for business journalism. Wikipedia
You and the British are only watching CNN outtakes. If you watch him in a full interview, yukking it up a rally with his supporters telling jokes with wry humor, you would get a different view of him. Trump is ingratiating, clever, sharp, full of energy. How do you think he got where he did. Of course, the press you watch doesn't show that. They pull out only the negative stuff.
Biden puts everyone to sleep. There's nothing exciting about him. He's acts like an old man trying to remember if he took his pills that morning. Trust me. I know that look. ???
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I SAW the coming election in tonight's sunset! Last time it looked like this was in late March...
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Speaking of delusional, here is an article about the most recent tension between Trump and Dr. Fauci:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/white-house-fauci-trump-atlas-pandemic-response/index.html
And then of course there is the tension between Dr. Birx and Scott Alas, Trump’s favorite radiologist and chief coronavirus advisor, to consider as well:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/10/29/deborah-birx-scott-atlas-coronavirus-task-force-bennett-lead-vpx.cnn?hpt=ob_blogfooterold
What, this patient has tested positive for coronavirus? Better get some x-rays stat.
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Speaking of delusional, here is an article about the tension between Trump and Dr. Fauci:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/white-house-fauci-trump-atlas-pandemic-response/index.html
Especially this quote from Trump:
"People are tired of Covid. I have the biggest rallies I've ever had, and we have Covid," Trump said, phoning into a call with campaign staff from his namesake hotel in Las Vegas, where he spent two nights amid a western campaign swing. "People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
Absolutely astounding.
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The feud between The Lincoln Project and the Trump campaign continues apace with The Lincoln Project’s latest “psy ops” being the placement of a large billboard critical of Jared and Ivanka’s response to the pandemic on a boat parked in front of Mar-a-Lago. Of course the Javankas have threatened to sue The Lincoln Project to within an inch of their lives.
https://www.newsweek.com/lincoln-project-ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-billboard-mar-lago-1543773
I love The Lincoln Project.
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It isn't like the United States Constitution is some lengthy document; it is all of about 17-pages long—including all of the amendments. But since you won't look it up yourself...
https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf (https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf)
20th Amendment - Section 3
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
However, a different scenario is more likely to unfold ...
What if a US presidential candidate refuses to concede after an election?
https://youtu.be/WZWRhLW7Y8w
Did you know that under the US constitution, a Presidential candidate can actually lose the popular vote, fail to get a majority in the electoral college vote, refuse to concede [...] and still get sworn in as he President of the United States of America?
It's loopholes like these why I selected Trump on this thread's poll as the more likely candidate to be sworn in (maybe not by January 21st).
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However, a different scenario is more likely to unfold ...
What if a US presidential candidate refuses to concede after an election?
https://youtu.be/WZWRhLW7Y8w
It's loopholes like these why I selected Trump on this thread's poll as the more likely candidate to be sworn in (maybe not by January 21st).
Concession isn't required. A president's term ends in four years.
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The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did. I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS. The complaints from some on this thread that major papers are not covering this are misguided as the story shows there isn't much to cover. If one believes an almost blind computer repair person in Delaware came into possession of an incriminating computer, maybe they might also believe in the Roswell NM alien invasion. Enjoy the read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-biden.html
I'm looking forward to the forensic analysis if it ever comes!
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On Sunday I watched 60 Minutes and saw the Trump interview with Leslie Stahl. Trump didn't strike me as ingratiating, clever, sharp, full of energy. Well, maybe full of energy. He got all worked up and walked out. Perhaps he is ingratiating, clever, sharp, full of energy when you are kissing his ass.
Did they only show outtakes in an unfriendly environment? Watch some other interviews and videos of Trump. I'm sure we'd be more pleasant to each other as well in a friendly setting rather than what happens here with our constant bickering over politics.
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Concession isn't required. A president's term ends in four years.
Exactly right. There are some interesting scenarios but lack of concession no the part of a sitting President is not one of them. For me I hope that we don't have a repeat of a candidate winning the electoral college and not the popular vote. If this ends up being the third time this century it happens, it will not be good for the country. We are already sliding into unrepresentative democracy that the founders could not have imagined when they drafted the Constitution.
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Did they only show outtakes in an unfriendly environment? Watch some other interviews and videos of Trump. I'm sure we'd be more pleasant to each other as well in a friendly setting rather than what happens here with our constant bickering over politics.
Trump has had extensive media experience and should know when he is walking into a confrontational interview. Back in the day when I was working at PhRMA, I was the principal spokesperson for drug safety issues. I had may share of very difficult interviews on both TV and radio. You have to really stay focused and not lose your cool. My slightly humorous tagline was, "I've been media trained and can say anything I want."
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The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did. I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS. The complaints from some on this thread that major papers are not covering this are misguided as the story shows there isn't much to cover. If one believes an almost blind computer repair person in Delaware came into possession of an incriminating computer, maybe they might also believe in the Roswell NM alien invasion. Enjoy the read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-biden.html
I'm looking forward to the forensic analysis if it ever comes!
Why should the NY Times stop protecting Biden now? You know they endorsed him to be president, don't you?
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Concession isn't required. A president's term ends in four years.
Yeah, so if a president won't leave the White House at the end of his term, federal law enforcement gets to go in with a swat team to cuff him and drag his ass out. I hope they toss him in an unmarked car they rented from Hertz, and take him to a secret location to interrogate him for a couple of hours before releasing him back on the street.
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Why should the NY Times stop protecting Biden now? You know they endorsed him to be president, don't you?
Why comment if you are not going to read the article?
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Exactly right. There are some interesting scenarios but lack of concession on the part of a sitting President is not one of them.
Some seem to disagree.
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Yeah, so if a president won't leave the White House at the end of his term, federal law enforcement gets to go in with a swat team to cuff him and drag his ass out. I hope they toss him in an unmarked car they rented from Hertz, and take him to a secret location to interrogate him for a couple of hours before releasing him back on the street.
Just another smear about Trump that's just silly. It's just to try to make him seems crazy when it's the people making up these stupid ideas who are nuts.
When a president's term is over, he loses all power. He couldn't even command the cook at the White House to prepare him a cup of tea. The new president moves in on Jan 21st, 2021, assuming Biden wins, and the secret service takes the old president to wherever he wants to go, possibly Trump Tower, although Donald might prefer Mar A Lago, Florida where it's warmer. Then he gets on with his life. He has no power. That's how America works. He commands nothing and nobody. There can't be two presidents.
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Some seem to disagree.
They're wrong. They hate Trump so much they actually believe these fairy tales. I've kept telling you Bart for four years to stop watching the anti-Trump press, but you wouldn't listen. Now, you wasted your vote like a lot of Americans will as well who also listened to the fake news press.
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Why comment if you are not going to read the article?
I read the NY Times all the time. I know where they stand. Anyone can write an article condemning or approving behavior. The truth will come out after the election.
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The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did. I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS.
Don't know if this has been shared already:
How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387
An unverified leak of documents — including salacious pictures from what President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and a Delaware Apple repair store owner claimed to be Hunter Biden's hard drive — were published in the New York Post on Oct. 14. Associates close to Trump, including Giuliani and former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, have promised more blockbuster leaks and secrets, which have yet to materialize.
The fake intelligence document, however, preceded the leak by months, and it helped lay the groundwork among right-wing media for what would become a failed October surprise: a viral pile-on of conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden.
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Just another smear about Trump that's just silly. It's just to try to make him seems crazy when it's the people making up these stupid ideas who are nuts.
When a president's term is over, he loses all power. He couldn't even command the cook at the White House to prepare him a cup of tea. The new president moves in on Jan 21st, 2021, assuming Biden wins, and the secret service takes the old president to wherever he wants to go, possibly Trump Tower, although Donald might prefer Mar A Lago, Florida where it's warmer. Then he gets on with his life. He has no power. That's how America works. He commands nothing and nobody. There can't be two presidents.
That’s exactly what I said, if he won’t leave the White House at the end of his term, federal law enforcement can go in with a swat team, cuff him, and drag his ass out.
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TDS.
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Did they only show outtakes in an unfriendly environment?
No, the interview took place in the White House.
Trump and his team videoed the whole thing too, and released their version on the web on Friday, contrary to Trump's agreement not to release his video before the interviewed aired on CBS on Sunday night. So I guess if you want to, you can compare Trump's version with CBS's version, and draw your own conclusions. I didn't watch Trump's version, so maybe he was all Jokey Smurf after all.
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Don't know if this has been shared already:
How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387
Probably the same English firm and spy that prepared the fake Clinton dossier on Trump. Curious. I don't recall you criticizing that one.
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Especially this quote from Trump:
"People are tired of Covid. I have the biggest rallies I've ever had, and we have Covid," Trump said, phoning into a call with campaign staff from his namesake hotel in Las Vegas, where he spent two nights amid a western campaign swing. "People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
Absolutely astounding.
Nothing astounding about it at all. Many people feel that way. And they vote.
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The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did. I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS. The complaints from some on this thread that major papers are not covering this are misguided as the story shows there isn't much to cover. If one believes an almost blind computer repair person in Delaware came into possession of an incriminating computer, maybe they might also believe in the Roswell NM alien invasion. Enjoy the read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-biden.html
I'm looking forward to the forensic analysis if it ever comes!
Why not ask the FBI? They STILL seem quite interested.
Wow, read the article ole Maggie and her gang reaaly dug deep /s. Or is the Dung deep?
Did they expend this much effort for Julie Swetnick? LOL!
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TDS.
Trump Delusion Syndrome?
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They're wrong. They hate Trump so much they actually believe these fairy tales. I've kept telling you Bart for four years to stop watching the anti-Trump press, but you wouldn't listen. Now, you wasted your vote like a lot of Americans will as well who also listened to the fake news press.
Last time I remember, Bart is from the Netherlands, and doesn't get to vote for president. But maybe he is an expatriate. Can't rule that out, I guess.
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Why not ask the FBI? They STILL seem quite interested.
Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when asked about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.
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Last time I remember, Bart is from the Netherlands, and doesn't get to vote for president. But maybe he is an expatriate. Can't rule that out, I guess.
He voted for Trump in this thread's poll at the top after being fooled by the anti-Trump press and thought Trump would refuse to leave the White House if he lost. You're not keeping up Frank. :)
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Probably the same English firm and spy that prepared the fake Clinton dossier on Trump.
If that were the case, why would close associates of Trump release it?
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Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when ask about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.
Yes thats their stance. You missed nothing, a memory like a steel trap !
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If that were the case, why would close associates of Trump release it?
I told a joke Frank, a joke.
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Yes thats their stance. You missed nothing, a memory like a steel trap !
Well, it's getting kind of rusty, so I never know.
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Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when ask about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.
The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation. FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.
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He voted for Trump in this thread's poll at the top after being fooled by the anti-Trump press and thought Trump would refuse to leave the White House if he lost. You're not keeping up Frank. :)
So explain to me how exactly Bart "wasted" his vote. He was just guessing along with everyone else whether Trump or Biden will be president on January 20, 2021. It is like someone flipped a coin and asked "Heads or tails?" If you answer heads and it turns out to be tails, you haven't really wasted you vote, have you? How can you waste a vote on a poll? So that's why I thought you were talking about the election and not the poll. Seemed reasonable to me at the time. I mean you are always confusing where people come from around here, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you had forgotten that Bart was from the Netherlands. You've told me I am from all sorts of places.
And I don't recall Bart saying he thought Trump would not leave the White House at the end of his term, but I may be mistaken.
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The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation. FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.
The left loves reports from "sources close to the investigation" so they should be quite happy to hear that a "source within the DOJ" has confirmed the existence of an active criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, son of Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden, and his associates. This source also confirms the FBI opened this case in 2019.
No wait, The vaunted NYT says is just a scam by Rudy....
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So explain to me how exactly Bart "wasted" his vote. He was just guessing along with everyone else whether Trump or Biden will be president on January 20, 2021. It is like someone flipped a coin and asked "Heads or tails?" If you answer heads and it turns out to be tails, you haven't really wasted you vote, have you? So that's why I thought you were talking about the election and not the poll. Seemed reasonable to me at the time. I mean you are always confusing where people come from around here, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you had forgetten that Bart was from the Netherlands. You've told me I am from all sorts of places.
And I don't recall Bart saying he thought Trump would not leave the White House at the end of his term, but I may be mistaken.
Read the thread. I'm not explaining it further.
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The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation. FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.
They can if they want to. They just usually don't comment as a matter of policy. But as you noted, sometimes they don't follow policy.
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Read the thread. I'm not explaining it further.
Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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They can if they want to. They just usually don't comment as a matter of policy. But as you noted, sometimes they don't follow policy.
That's tortured logic. Of course they can if they want too. They just don't want too.
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So explain to me how exactly Bart "wasted" his vote. He was just guessing along with everyone else whether Trump or Biden will be president on January 20, 2021. It is like someone flipped a coin and asked "Heads or tails?" If you answer heads and it turns out to be tails, you haven't really wasted you vote, have you? So that's why I thought you were talking about the election and not the poll. Seemed reasonable to me at the time. I mean you are always confusing where people come from around here, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you had forgetten that Bart was from the Netherlands. You've told me I am from all sorts of places.
And I don't recall Bart saying he thought Trump would not leave the White House at the end of his term, but I may be mistaken.
Ok I'll let you off the hook. Read post 3727 from Dutchman Bart Van Der Wolf as to why he was fooled into voting for Trump in the thread's poll by the anti-Trump press.
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That's tortured logic. Of course they can if they want too. They just don't want too.
Hardly tortured logic. You said they couldn't comment. I just pointed out that actually they can comment, but usually don't. Just adding a little clarity.
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Hardly tortured logic. You said they couldn't comment. I just pointed out that actually they can comment, but usually don't. Just adding a little clarity.
I don't think they can comment. The FBI works for the DOJ. I believe the DOJ's directive is not to comment especially within three months of an election. Comey thought he was God and did what he wanted. The FBI is not suppose to tell the public the results of their investigations. That's up to the DOJ. Comey's ego told him he was in charge, not the Attorney General.
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Ok I'll let you off the hook. Read post 3727 from Dutchman Bart Van Der Wolf as to why he was fooled into voting for Trump in the thread's poll by the anti-Trump press.
I'm a Dutchman, born and raised in the Netherlands.
I was talking about probabilities and likelihoods, and I see a few possible scenarios, in no particular order:
1. Trump wins the (popular and) electoral college vote by November 3rd.
2. Biden wins the (popular and) electoral college vote by November 3rd.
Note: It is possible to lose the popular vote and still win the electoral college vote, which is ultimately the only thing that matters in the US system for winning a presidential election.
The issue that will most likely make it difficult to predict the final outcome by November 3rd, is the huge number of votes by mail. It seems that Biden is more likely to benefit from this situation, especially if scenario 2 is achieved by November 3rd.
The most unpredictable situation will arise if scenario 1 materializes, and the mail-in votes flip the outcome to scenario 2. Trump is likely to contest that to the extreme. How extreme? We will see, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the outcome that Trump has been preparing for.
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Nothing astounding about it at all. Many people feel that way. And they vote.
The ‘astounding” part is that Trump referred to Fauci and other healthcare professionals as “idiots”, not that people are tired of Covid.
We’re all tired of Covid.
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I'm a Dutchman, born and raised in the Netherlands.
I was talking about probabilities and likelihoods, and I see a few possible scenarios, in no particular order:
1. Trump wins the (popular and) electoral college vote by November 3rd.
2. Biden wins the (popular and) electoral college vote by November 3rd.
Note: It is possible to lose the popular vote and still win the electoral college vote, which is ultimately the only thing that matters in the US system for winning a presidential election.
The issue that will most likely make it difficult to predict the final outcome by November 3rd, is the huge number of votes by mail. It seems that Biden is more likely to benefit from this situation, especially if scenario 2 is achieved by November 3rd.
The most unpredictable situation will arise if scenario 1 materializes, and the mail-in votes flip the outcome to scenario 2. Trump is likely to contest that to the extreme. How extreme? We will see, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the outcome that Trump has been preparing for.
With all the assumption that Republicans are trying to limit the vote, it's really the Democrats who are doing it. Way more Democrats have already voted by mail. Republicans wait to vote in person on election day. Because of Covid, democrats are shutting down their state's mean to easily get to the voting booths claiming they need a covid lockdown. So it's Democrats playing games and republicans who will be denied their right to vote.
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Ok I'll let you off the hook. Read post 3727 from Dutchman Bart Van Der Wolf as to why he was fooled into voting for Trump in the thread's poll by the anti-Trump press.
More interesting fact is that only 14 people voted in the attached survey. Does it mean that this discussion is followed only by a very small group of people or is it followed by more than 14 lurkers who just couldn't be bothered by sharing their guesses for election outcome?
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More interesting fact is that only 14 people voted in the attached survey. Does it mean that this discussion is followed only by a very small group of people or is it followed by more than 14 lurkers who just couldn't be bothered by sharing their guesses for election outcome?
They're all secret Trump supporters who like to keep their opinions to themselves. :)
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I don't think they can comment. The FBI works for the DOJ. I believe the DOJ's directive is not to comment especially within three months of an election. Comey thought he was God and did what he wanted. The FBI is not suppose to tell the public the results of their investigations. That's up to the DOJ. Comey's ego told him he was in charge, not the Attorney General.
Again, as I said before, they can comment, but usually don't, because that wouldn't be following policy. Comey commented on the Hillary thing, so that proves they can can and did comment. What is so hard to understand? It's the English language after all.
And Barr has commented on a couple on ongoing investigations against Trump's adversaries, so that also proves they they can comment too. How would we know about the Dunham investigation and all the rest, if they can't comment on it.
There is a policy around my house that everyone leaves their muddy shoes outside the door. But I can, and have, walked around the house in muddy shoes. My wife yells at me for not following policy, but sometimes I forget to follow policy, as evidenced by my wife yelling at me and the mud all over the floor. Just because it is policy, does mean you can't do it anyway. I learned the hard way.
The next time your wife tells you you can't do something, go ahead and do it anyway, so you understand you can do it after all. Maybe go buy a gun or something.
What is baffling is that you keep saying they can't comment, and yet you even admitted they can comment a couple of posts ago.
That's tortured logic. Of course they can if they want too. They just don't want too.
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Ok I'll let you off the hook. Read post 3727 from Dutchman Bart Van Der Wolf as to why he was fooled into voting for Trump in the thread's poll by the anti-Trump press.
Is there a difference between being fooled into voting and wasting your vote?
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The ‘astounding” part is that Trump referred to Fauci and other healthcare professionals as “idiots”, not that people are tired of Covid.
We’re all tired of Covid.
Maybe he's right. Reading the words you wrote, "People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
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With all the assumption that Republicans are trying to limit the vote, it's really the Democrats who are doing it. Way more Democrats have already voted by mail. Republicans wait to vote in person on election day. Because of Covid, democrats are shutting down their state's mean to easily get to the voting booths claiming they need a covid lockdown. So it's Democrats playing games and republicans who will be denied their right to vote.
Okay. Do you feel better now that you have said it.
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Again, as I said before, they can comment, but usually don't, because that wouldn't be following policy. Comey commented on the Hillary thing, so that proves they can comment, and did comment. What is so hard to understand? It's the English language after all.
And Barr has commented on a couple on ongoing investigations against Trump's adversaries, so that also proves they they can comment too. How would we know about the Dunham investigation and all the rest, if they can't comment on it.
There is a policy around my house that everyone leaves their muddy shoes outside the door. But I can, and have, walked around the house in muddy shoes. My wife yells at me for not following policy, but sometimes I forget to follow policy, as evidenced by my wife yelling at me and the mud all over the floor. Just because it is policy, does mean you can't do it anyway. I learned the hard way.
The next time your wife tells you you can't do something, go ahead and do it anyway, so you understand you can do it after all. Maybe go buy a gun or something.
What is baffling is that you keep saying the can't comment, and yet you even admitted they can comment a couple of posts ago for Christ's sake.
I understand Melania yelled at Donald when he dragged in mud into the White House's Lincoln bedroom. Of course he had the maid clean it up. It's good to be president.
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More interesting fact is that only 14 people voted in the attached survey. Does it mean that this discussion is followed only by a very small group of people or is it followed by more than 14 lurkers who just couldn't be bothered by sharing their guesses for election outcome?
No. Most people know it's a close election and could go either way, and don't want to have to later admit they guessed wrong, even to themselves. It's got something to do with psychology, I think.
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I understand Melania yelled at Donald when he dragged in mud into the White House's Lincoln bedroom. Of course he had the maid clean it up. It's good to be president.
I wouldn't have the job for a million bucks. And what was Trump doing in the Lincoln bedroom? Don't tell me, Michael Cohen took care of it.
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I wouldn't have the job for a million bucks. And what was Trump doing in the Lincoln bedroom? Don't tell me, Michael Cohen took care of it.
Well, the sleazy Clintons, when Bill was president, would rent out the Lincoln bedroom for the night to anyone who contributed to their campaign over a certain amount. When they left the presidency, they took the china and silverware claiming it was a gift to them and didn't belong to the American government. They were forced to return the stuff. Gad. Can you imagine if Hillary won?
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The new president moves in on Jan 21st, 2021,
January 20th
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Well, the sleazy Clintons, when Bill was president, would rent out the Lincoln bedroom for the night to anyone who contributed to their campaign over a certain amount. When they left the presidency, they took the china and silverware claiming it was a gift to them and didn't belong to the American government. They were forced to return the stuff. Gad. Can you imagine if Hillary won?
A friend of mine was a friend of Bill Clinton. I think they studied together at Oxford. Anyway, he and his wife visited Bill and Hillary at the White House, and stayed in the Lincoln bedroom. They didn't have to make a contribution. So I guess sometimes the Clintons were sleazy and sometimes they weren't.
Don't you have anything better to do than continue with the disparaging statements against Bill and Hillary Clinton, even if they are true? I mean it has been 20 years since they stole the china and had to return it. Do you really carry around all this anger and resentment with you as you go through life. Consider moving on and having new experiences. For example, learn a new skill, like how to use the new 4x5 camera you bought before the pandemic. I think it was a Chamonix so it's top of the line. I think you said you got three or four nice lenses too. I guess you would do that, but you derive more pleasure from complaining about Bill and Hillary Clinton than learning how to use your new camera. Maybe you should just sell it, and go on a speaking tour about all the bad stuff Bill and Hillary Clinton did.
I can imagine if Hillary won. I wouldn't have had to suffer through the last four years of Trump. I mean it might have been worse with Hillary, but at least it would have been a different kind of worse.
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A friend of mine was a friend of Bill Clinton. I think they studied together at Oxford. Anyway, he and his wife visited Bill and Hillary at the White House, and stayed in the Lincoln bedroom. They didn't have to make a contribution. So I guess sometimes the Clintons were sleazy and sometimes they weren't.
Don't you have anything better to do than continue with the disparaging statements against Bill and Hillary Clinton, even if they are true? I mean it has been 20 years since they stole the china and had to return it. Do you really carry around all this resentment with you as you go through life. Consider moving on and having new experiences. For example, learn a new skill, like how to use the new 4x5 camera you bought before the pandemic. I think it was a Chamonix so it's top of the line. I think you said you got three or four nice lenses too. I guess you would, but you derive more pleasure from complaining about Bill and Hillary Clinton than learning how to use your new camera. Maybe you should just sell it, and go on a speaking tour about all the bad stuff Bill and Hillary Clinton did.
I can imagine if Hillary won. I wouldn't have had to suffer through the last four years of Trump. I mean it might have been worse with Hillary, but at least it would have been a different kind of worse.
I really should shoot more. But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic. Here are some photos. The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1
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I really should shoot more. But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic. Here are some photos. The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1
Great. Good work. I was only giving you a for example of something you might spend your time on instead of criticizing the Clintons, even if they deserve it.
I knew this guy who got divorced, and every time you ran into him he had something bad to say about his ex-wife. After a while, I told him he really needed to get over it and move on. I don't know, I'm not really an expert on the subject, but it seemed like it was good advice at the time. I mean it was pretty obvious that his old friends were starting to avoid him. But maybe he was in a book club with a lot of other divorced guys, and instead of talking about the book they were supposed to have read, they just sat around bitching and moaning about their ex-wives, and really looked forward to the opportunity to do it again next month. Perhaps those were his new friends, so if his old friends avoided him, it was no big deal.
If Biden wins, I am going to try my very best to put Trump behind me and never think about him again. If we are still on the forum in twenty years, and I say something critical of Trump, I hope you will remind me of the advice I gave my friend.
I may be giving you what they call gratuitous advice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I just get sick of hearing about it. Maybe others do too. But maybe not.
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How do foreign correspondents view the U.S., short film (15 min) from New Yorker https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8 (https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8). Short snippets from several foreign correspondents from around the world.
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I really should shoot more. But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic. Here are some photos. The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work.
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1
Really nice work with the barn and the fence line.
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Great. Good work. I was only giving you a for example of something you might spend your time on instead of criticizing the Clintons, even if they deserve it.
I knew this guy who got divorced, and every time you ran into him he had something bad to say about his ex-wife. After a while, I told him he really needed to get over it and move on. I don't know, I'm not really an expert on the subject, but it seemed like it was good advice at the time. I mean it was pretty obvious that his old friends were starting to avoid him. But maybe he was in a book club with a lot of other divorced guys, and instead of talking about the book they were supposed to have read, they just sat around bitching and moaning about their ex-wives, and really looked forward to the opportunity to do it next month. Perhaps those were his new friends, so if his old friends avoided him, it was no big deal.
If Biden wins, I am going to try my very best to put Trump behind me and never think about him again. If we are still on the forum in twenty years, and I say something critical of Trump, I hope you will remind me of the advice I gave my friend.
I may be giving you what they call gratuitous advice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I just get sick of hearing about it. Maybe others do too. But maybe not.
I'm mentioning the Clintons because we're in a presidential election. I'm reminding people why I and many other Americans voted for Trump. Four years ago we had a choice and Trump was the better candidate for us than Hillary Clinton. Just like then, there were many complaints about Trump but we we're not voting No Trump. The alternate to Trump is Yes Biden. We have to be confident that Biden is the guy to help America and is capable of handling it. For many of us, Trump, is still the better person to lead America.
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How do foreign correspondents view the U.S., short film (15 min) from New Yorker https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8 (https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8). Short snippets from several foreign correspondents from around the world.
The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed. You might as well watch CNN.
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Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?
In recent months, Trump has held several dozen rallies in states such as Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Wisconsin, where coronavirus infection rates were already on the rise. At each event, several thousand people were estimated to have participated. While most of the rallies were held outdoors, video footage show that participants gathered in close proximity and many were not wearing masks, creating a risk of spreading the virus as they cheered their candidate on.
Minnesota public health officials have attributed four COVID-19 outbreaks and more than 25 cases to Trump rallies held in the state in September and October. An additional 11 state health departments contacted by Reuters said they had not been able to trace infections to the rallies, although some, including Michigan and Wisconsin, have determined that individual people who later tested positive for COVID-19 were present at Trump campaign events.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB
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The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed. You might as well watch CNN.
Calm down, that wasn't an attack.
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Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB
Well, the thing is they had a few qualifiers in there to say they couldn't know with absolute certainty, and their numbers might be off a little here and there, so some people may say we should ignore the research altogether. Besides, it is scientific opinion, and we shouldn't trust scientists because they have made errors in the past. And oh by the way, Stanford is a den of commie/lib academics who are just out to get Trump. On the other hand, to me it seems like the conclusion is well within the realm of possibility, although unlike some others here, it really isn't my area of expertise, so it is not like I can vouch for its accuracy.
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...we're not voting No Trump.
I am. I'm not persuaded by your semantics that there is no Against Trump box on the ballot, so don't waste a lot of time trying to convince me otherwise. The box for Biden is probably just a misprint.
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I'm mentioning the Clintons because we're in a presidential election. I'm reminding people why I and many other Americans voted for Trump. Four years ago we had a choice and Trump was the better candidate for us than Hillary Clinton. Just like then, there were many complaints about Trump but we we're not voting No Trump. The alternate to Trump is Yes Biden. We have to be confident that Biden is the guy to help America and is capable of handling it. For many of us, Trump, is still the better person to lead America.
You mention the Clintons because you are obsessed and can't let it go, and you derive some perverse pleasure in dissing them over and over again. It probably makes you feel superior or something. Tell me, do you belong to a book club?
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The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed. You might as well watch CNN.
Yeah, but he probably prefers to read than to watch TV.
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Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB
That's just silly. So therefore, every Democrat and Republican governor who opened their states to any economic activity at all are guilty as well. That's all of them. So are every PM and president in Europe and Canada. Let's send them all to jail. You really need to discern a little what you read instead of just looking for ways to attack Trump. Don't believe everything you read. Try to read between the lines why they're saying it and does it even make sense.
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Calm down, that wasn't an attack.
I'm calm. Your really need to mix up your reading materials instead of reading the same stuff repeated by similar screeds. :)
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Well, the thing is they had a few qualifiers in there to say they couldn't know with absolute certainty, and their numbers might be off a little here and there, so some people may say we should ignore the research altogether. Besides, it is scientific opinion, and we shouldn't trust scientists because they have made errors in the past. And oh by the way, Stanford is a den of commie/lib academics who are just out to get Trump. On the other hand, to me it seems like the conclusion is well within the realm of possibility, although unlike some others here, it really isn't my area of expertise, so it is not like I can vouch for its accuracy.
Curious if their report included Democratic Gov of NY Cuomo who by his Covd actions sent thousands of old people to their deaths in old age homes. Or did they conveniently leave that out?
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I am. I'm not persuaded by your semantics that there is no Against Trump box on the ballot, so don't waste a lot of time trying to convince me otherwise. The box for Biden is probably just a misprint.
When I voted a couple of weeks ago using the mail-in ballot, I used a black magic marker pen to make sure the circle for each person I voted for was completely filled in rather than using a regular pen or pencil. I wanted my vote to count. When I finished voting for president and all the other main offices, I flipped the ballot to complete my votes. To my horror, the black mark I made for one of my choices on the other side bled through the cardboard. It filled in a box exactly for one of the candidates for our local board of election candidates. You had to check off three of the five running. Well, it would be impossible for me to erase the black ink mark. So one of the three got my vote by accident. Didn't know her from beans. Fortunately, I didn't know any of the five from beans. So it was all pretty much guesswork anyway.
At least I didn't have to worry about any chads.
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That was board of education, not board of election.
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That's just silly. So therefore, every Democrat and Republican governor who opened their states to any economic activity at all are guilty as well. That's all of them. So are every PM and president in Europe and Canada. Let's send them all to jail. You really need to discern a little what you read instead of just looking for ways to attack Trump. Don't believe everything you read. Try to read between the lines why they're saying it and does it even make sense.
See what I mean.
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You mention the Clintons because you are obsessed and can't let it go, and you derive some perverse pleasure in dissing them over and over again. It probably makes you feel superior or something. Tell me, do you belong to a book club?
Thanks for your analysis. I feel better already. What do I owe you?
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I'm calm. Your really need to mix up your reading materials instead of reading the same stuff repeated by similar screeds. :)
I'd love to take a look at your internet search history.
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I'd love to take a look at your internet search history.
Check my posts where I link to different articles. Let me know what you come up with.
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Curious if their report included Democratic Gov of NY Cuomo who by his Covd actions sent thousands of old people to their deaths in old age homes. Or did they conveniently leave that out?
They didn't include it, or leave it out, because it was not the subject of their research. Why don't you do a research project and figure out how many people Cuomo killed? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cuomo's actions killed 700 people or even more. Just because Cuomo killed 700 people, doesn't mean it is okay for Trump to kill 700 people. Perhaps both of them are fuck-ups.
This is that old whataboutism I have been telling you about every other day for the past couple of months. I was really hoping you would catch on by now.
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Check my posts where I link to different articles. Let me know what you come up with.
Is your internet research limited to the links you post? No telling what else you have been reading to inform yourself.
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Thanks for your analysis. I feel better already. What do I owe you?
No charge.
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The didn't include it, or leave it out, because it was not the subject of their research. Why don't you do a research project and figure out how many people Cuomo killed? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cuomo's actions killed 700 people or even more. Just because Cuomo killed 700 people, doesn't mean it is okay for Trump to kill 700 people. Perhaps both of them are fuck-ups.
This is that old whataboutism I have been telling you about every other day for the past couple of months. I was really hoping you would catch on by now.
Cherry picking data to blame a political candidate smacks of bias on their part not whataboutism on mine.
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Is your internet research limited to the links you post? No telling what else you have been reading to inform yourself.
Unlike many people here who only inform themselves by reading one-sided anti-Trump screeds, I read political commentary and news provided by all sides. You have to know what your adversary is thinking. :)
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Cherry picking data to blame a political candidate smacks of bias on their part not whataboutism on mine.
For your clarification, your attempt to shift the discussion to what Cuomo did or didn’t do is the whataboutism. Why don’t you go spend five or ten minutes reading about it so you will understand my comment?
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Unlike many people here who only inform themselves by reading one-sided anti-Trump screeds, I read political commentary and news provided by all sides. You have to know what your adversary is thinking. :)
Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. It doesn’t look like you do to me, but that is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. It doesn’t look like you do to me, but that is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
It's easy to follow the other side. 95% of it is the other side.
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It’s been fun guys, I think I’ll check out of this thread early.
Enjoy the election and the aftermath.
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It’s been fun guys, I think I’ll check of this thread early.
Enjoy the election and the aftermath.
Yep, only a couple of days to go before the voting is over and the massive voter fraud lawsuits begin. I think both sides have engaged lawyers in every hamlet and village so everyone is well prepared, and eager and rarin’ to go.
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It’s been fun guys, I think I’ll check out of this thread early.
Enjoy the election and the aftermath.
Fraidy cat!
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Fraidy cat!
Indeed, as if one were trying to cover his ass.
No one would be surprised if the result is a surprise (as a function of one's political color) ...
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I looked on the Fox News website, and didn't see any stories on the Hunter Biden laptop issue, so I guess they think it is no longer worthy of attention.
I also checked Breitbart. Nothing there except a short article saying Trump is pissed off that the commie/lib media isn't covering the story. He doesn't seem pissed off that neither is the right wing media.
Infowars had five, count them five, articles, the first saying that there is a big FBI coverup, the second saying CNN said the story "stinks”, the third saying UPS found Tucker's lost documents, the fourth saying Giuliani has confirmed child porn of the laptop, and last but not least, wait for it, the fifth saying that Biden said there was nothing to the story. So basically Breitbart's got nothing.
The New York Post had two stories, the first saying that Lindsay Graham said the laptop story was going to turn the election, and the second saying that Hunter was bad at setting his password.
Ron Johnson subpoenaed Twitter and Facebook to come before the Senate Judiciary Committee and explain their actions or inactions in relation to the Hunter Biden laptop story. They are scheduled to appear on November 17, 2020, so he doesn't seem to be in a white hot rush to get anything done.
I am sure there are other right wing websites and blogs and whatnot that have stories, but I don't know who they are, so if your are still interested, you will have to seek them out yourself.
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I looked on the Fox News website, and didn't see any stories on the Hunter Biden laptop issue, so I guess they think it is no longer worthy of attention.
I also checked Breitbart. Nothing there except a short article saying Trump is pissed off that the commie/lib media isn't covering the story. He doesn't seem pissed that neither is the right wing media.
Infowars had five, count them five, articles, the first saying that there is a big FBI coverup, the second saying CNN said the story "stinks, the third saying UPS found Tucker's lost documents, the fourth saying Giuliani has confirmed child porn of the laptop, and last but not least, wait for it, the fifth saying that Biden said there was nothing to the story. So basically Breitbart's got nothing.
The New York Post had two stories, the first saying that Lindsay Graham said the laptop story was going to turn the election, and the second saying that Hunter was bad at setting his password.
Ron Johnson subpoenaed Twitter and Facebook to come before the Senate Judiciary Committee and explain their actions or inactions in relation to the Hunter Biden laptop story. I think they are scheduled to appear on November 17, 2020, so he doesn't seem to be in a white hot rush to get anything done.
I am sure there are other right wing websites and blogs and whatnot that have stories, but I don't know who they are, so if your are still interested in the story, you will have to find them yourself.
90 million people already voted. The rest in 48 hours. The story is too little & too late. It isn't being covered by the left wing press anyway. It has about as much chance of changing any minds as this thread. :)
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Indeed, as if one were trying to cover his ass.
No one would be surprised if the result is a surprise (as a function of one's political color) ...
Sounds like you're covering yours. :) It may not matter if Jeremy shuts all the threads down. Of course, there should be one last thread: "Who Do You Think Won?" It may take awhile to find out.
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It isn't being covered by the left wing press anyway.
It isn't being covered by the right wing press either, so I guess nobody cares.
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2018 comment from Steve Bannon:
“The Democrats don’t matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.”
(For our European readers, "flood the zone" is an American football term in which one defensive area is overloaded with offensive players.)
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Most political commentators on CBC, including David Frum from Atlantic are predicting a clear win for Biden. Which corresponds with the LuLa poll.
The total count on the Lula poll jumped to 15 (10 for Biden, 5 for Trump), so there must be at least 15 people still frequenting the LuLa Coffee Corner.
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A few minutes ago, I mentioned everybody’s favorite radiologist Scott Adams, Trump’s go to guy for coronavirus advice. Well, it appears the good doctor did a sit down interview with RT, which, as most of us know, is the Russkie propaganda network. When someone pointed out that he may have made an error in judgment, the oblivious Dr. Adams said oops, and has issued an apology. He is just lucky he is not appearing in a Borat film lying on his back on a hotel room bed with his hands down his pants, while a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old reporter watches the action, whiskey glass in hand. Actually, I think she had glasses of whiskey in both hands. She was holding his glass of whiskey for him, so he could do whatever he was doing with his hand down his pants. Then old Scott Adams would have had to go into hiding while he racked his brain, or what was left of it, for an innocent explanation for the whole thing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/media/scott-atlas-russian-media/index.html
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How can one trust a doctor who doesn't know anything about RT?
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More attempted voter suppression:
Texas’s Supreme Court threw out a lawsuit filed by Republicans that would have rendered illegal 127,000 votes already cast in drive-through polling stations.
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How can one trust a doctor who doesn't know anything about RT?
I am a little more concerned that he is a radiologist giving epidemiology advice. Kind of like going to an environmental lawyer for tax advice.
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Knowing these facts before the accusations start coming in might be useful:
"The Heritage Foundation Election Fraud Database has compiled every instance of any kind of voter fraud it could find since 1982. It contains 1,296 incidents, a minuscule percentage of the votes cast. A study of results in three states where all voters are mailed actual ballots, a practice at the apex of the president’s outrage, found just 372 possible cases of illegal voting of 14.6 million cast in the 2016 and 2018 general elections — 0.000025 percent." - Benjamin L. Ginsberg, a leading GOP lawyer.
The article can be found here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/08/republicans-have-insufficient-evidence-call-elections-rigged-fraudulent/
Things should start getting interesting...!
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I have to post this. If I get banned for life, so be it:
I find it absolutely hilarious that Lamson decided to run for cover at this particular juncture.
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Anybody think this is normal behavior?
Trump Repeatedly Fantasizes About Beating Up Biden at Florida Rally
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-repeatedly-fantasizes-about-beating-up-biden-at-florida-rally
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Anybody think this is normal behavior?
Trump Repeatedly Fantasizes About Beating Up Biden at Florida Rally
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-repeatedly-fantasizes-about-beating-up-biden-at-florida-rally
Normal? Absolutely. If you're a bully.
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A few minutes ago, I mentioned everybody’s favorite radiologist Scott Adams, Trump’s go to guy for coronavirus advice. Well, it appears the good doctor did a sit down interview with RT, which, as most of us know, is the Russkie propaganda network. When someone pointed out that he may have made an error in judgment, the oblivious Dr. Adams said oops, and has issued an apology. He is just lucky he is not appearing in a Borat film lying on his back on a hotel room bed with his hands down his pants, while a 24 year old actress portraying a 15 year old reporter watches the action, whiskey glass in hand. Actually, I think she had glasses of whiskey in both hands. She was holding his glass of whiskey for him, so he could do whatever he was doing with his hand down his pants. Then old Scott Adams would have had to go into hiding while he racked his brain, or what was left of it, for an innocent explanation for the whole thing.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/01/media/scott-atlas-russian-media/index.html
Actually, Scott Adams draws the Dilbert comic strip. Trump's go-to guy is Scott Atlas, the radiologist who knows nothing about epidemiology.
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Actually, Scott Adams draws the Dilbert comic strip. Trump's go-to guy is Scott Atlas, the radiologist who knows nothing about epidemiology.
Thanks for the correction. I forget stuff sometimes. I was remembering Trump's radiologist's name by thinking about Charles Atlas, but I obviously forgot that too. I guess I got so excited about the story I lost my mind.
I found my keys this morning and drove up to the grocery store to pick up our groceries, and I forgot to check them. Sure enough, they were someone else’s groceries. I consoled myself by noting that even if I had checked them, I wouldn't really have known whether they were our groceries or not, because my wife orders the groceries; I am just the delivery boy. But I usually check them anyway, and figure that if there are six or eight bags of organic healthy stuff that I humor my wife by eating, it's probably our order. Anyway, back at the ranch, I rummaged around in the bags to see what's what. There were no ice cream sandwiches or Oreos or anything else that looked particularly enticing, so I took the stuff back, not that I had ice cream sandwiches or Oreos in my order, but sometimes you get the the wrong stuff, and it is better stuff than the stuff you ordered, so you are faced with an ethical dilemma. Fortunately, this morning it was an easy call. I even resisted the impulse to don my mask, go into the petri dish that is a grocery store, risk getting COVID and dying, and buy some ice cream sandwiches and Oreos, so I felt pretty good about myself.
Where were we?
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Knowing these facts before the accusations start coming in might be useful:
"The Heritage Foundation Election Fraud Database has compiled every instance of any kind of voter fraud it could find since 1982. It contains 1,296 incidents, a minuscule percentage of the votes cast. A study of results in three states where all voters are mailed actual ballots, a practice at the apex of the president’s outrage, found just 372 possible cases of illegal voting of 14.6 million cast in the 2016 and 2018 general elections — 0.000025 percent." - Benjamin L. Ginsberg, a leading GOP lawyer.
The thing is that research tells you what happened before, and not what will happen this time around. If we didn't have COVID, and everyone voted like they usually do, then it would be fairly predictive. This time the voting rules have changed in every jurisdiction, sometimes multiple times because of litigation, so how the election workers handle the counting is new, and the election workers probably don't get adequate training, so mistakes will be made. So I am not so much worried about fraud as I am about innocent screw-ups, which may be significant, that the adversaries are going to characterize as fraud. So it is inevitable that there is going to be demagoguery and litigation. That, and counting all those mail in ballots is going to take time. I am hoping whomever wins, wins by a landslide so we don't have to go through all of that. Wouldn't it be great if tomorrow night we knew whether to commit hari-kari or breath a sigh of relief? I am not holding my breath that will happen. So I will probably go to bed tomorrow night at the regular time, knowing that tomorrow is not the end but the beginning.
And this whole scenario is a lawyer's wet dream. It is going to be a lot of work in a little time, and lawyers are going to take any loss up on appeal after appeal after appeal, whether there is any chance of prevailing or not. The clients won't worry about the cost, because your and my campaign contributions will be funding it. So the lawyers are going to be billing out the wazoo. Like I mentioned, unless it is a landslide one way or another, it is going to be a long slog to the finish line.
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More attempted voter suppression:
Texas’s Supreme Court threw out a lawsuit filed by Republicans that would have rendered illegal 127,000 votes already cast in drive-through polling stations.
Source? ???
Please give us a break on this nonsense. More people are going to vote in this election then in recent history. There is no suppression. Just admit that perhaps your ideas are wrong and that is why you could lose. We'll find out in 36 hours, or a week, or a month, or hopefully before January 20th.
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More attempted voter suppression:
Texas’s Supreme Court threw out a lawsuit filed by Republicans that would have rendered illegal 127,000 votes already cast in drive-through polling stations.
There is no suppression.
If attempting to throw out 127,000 votes in a single county isn't voter suppression, it's a pretty good facsimile.
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If attempting to throw out 127,000 votes in a single county isn't voter suppression, it's a pretty good facsimile.
Once again, source? I am sure there is more to the story, you know, like nuance?
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Whoops, looks like Harris let the cat out of the bag.
Kamala Harris’ ‘equality of outcome’ video slammed as communism pitch (https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/harris-equality-of-outcome-video-slammed-as-communism-pitch/)
Capitalism vs Marxism. You guys are making it pretty easy.
Equality of outcome is impossible to achieve without tyranny. Government lack the ability to make a person more successful then what they choose to be or have the talent to achieve. The only thing governments can do is limit those over achievers, which keeps their innovations from bettering our lives. Unfortunately when you limit someone, they tend to jump ship to another country, and the only way to stop this on your march towards equality of opportunity is by stopping them from leaving through terror.
I hope to God we are smart enough to reject this faux premise.
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nuance...?
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Once again, source? I am sure there is more to the story, you know, like nuance?
Source? If you google for it, you'll get literally many thousands of hits.
How come the foreigners know more about the US current affairs than some Americans?
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Once again, source? I am sure there is more to the story, you know, like nuance?
After you emphatically and falsely asserted twice that there was no provision in the Constitution for who would serve in the event of the death of a President Elect, I served up the 20th amendment for you on a silver platter. It would have been very easy to have looked that up on your own and avoid repeating a false assertion.
Now you want someone to provide you with one of the multitude of news stories on this attempt to have tossed out 127,000 votes from the largest Democratic county in the State of Texas? Tell you what, try Google first and if you still can't find it, I'll give you as many links as you'd like.
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Once again, source? I am sure there is more to the story, you know, like nuance?
The Economists - daily brief today (morning) EU
You’ll note that the original post said ‘Texas Supreme Court’, since then ruling has been upheld by a Federal judge in Houston
A federal judge in Houston on Monday rejected Republican efforts to invalidate more than 127,000 votes that were cast at drive-through locations in Harris County, a Democratic stronghold that includes Houston, the nation’s fourth-largest city.
The lawsuit was one of the most aggressive moves by Republicans in an election marked by more than 400 voting-related lawsuits. And it came as Texas, long considered reliably Republican in presidential elections, has emerged as a swing state this year, with polls showing an unusually close race there.
Harris County, the most populous county in Texas, is home to one of the state’s largest concentrations of Democratic voters. It had set up 10 drive-through voting sites to offer a safe, in-person voting option amid the pandemic, and polls were open for 18 days.
But in a lawsuit, Republicans argued that Chris Hollins, the Harris County Clerk, did not have the authority to allow drive-through voting in the county.
Judge Andrew S. Hanen, a federal judge who was appointed by President George W. Bush, held an emergency hearing for the lawsuit on Monday and ruled against tossing the ballots. On Sunday, the all-Republican Texas Supreme Court had rejected a similar effort to get those ballots tossed out.
source : NYT
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Whoops, looks like Harris let the cat out of the bag.
Kamala Harris’ ‘equality of outcome’ video slammed as communism pitch (https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/harris-equality-of-outcome-video-slammed-as-communism-pitch/)
Capitalism vs Marxism. You guys are making it pretty easy.
I don't read the tabloids. If you want to rely on them, that is of course your choice.
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After you emphatically and falsely asserted twice that there was no provision in the Constitution for who would serve in the event of the death of a President Elect, I served up the 20th amendment for you on a silver platter. It would have been very easy to have looked that up on your own and avoid repeating a false assertion.
Now you want someone to provide you with one of the multitude of news stories on this attempt to have tossed out 127,000 votes from the largest Democratic county in the State of Texas? Tell you what, try Google first and if you still can't find it, I'll give you as many links as you'd like.
My bad, I was gone for a couple of days and did not care to read any reply past its expiration date. Really, why get food poisoning? I have just looked up the 20th amendment and, my God, for once in your life, you were right. ;)
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I don't read the tabloids. If you want to rely on them, that is of course your choice.
NY Post is the longest running newspaper in the USA with the 4th highest readership of any in print paper. Writing it off as a tabloid is a rather uninformed opinion.
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NY Post is the longest running newspaper in the USA with the 4th highest readership of any in print paper. Writing it off as a tabloid is a rather uninformed opinion.
Head on over to their webpage, take a look at the stories, and come back and tell me that they are not a tabloid. Do you read the New York Post on a daily basis? Is it your go-to source for news? Do you honestly wade through all that crap every day? I googled up the New York Post and here is the description I found top right:
"The New York Post is a daily tabloid newspaper in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the celebrity gossip site PageSix.com and the entertainment site Decider.com."
This looks like a good story: "Man accused of dumping pal’s severed head in recycling bin".
Oh, and you might want to check your stats on longest running and highest readership:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_States
Are you doing okay?
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Please give us a break on this nonsense.
Quite.
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NY Post is the longest running newspaper in the USA with the 4th highest readership of any in print paper. Writing it off as a tabloid is a rather uninformed opinion.
The ridiculously skewed story that you linked to and even more absurd headline are good examples of why the New York Post is considered a tabloid.
Here are a couple of recent examples of their front page that illustrates their commitment and desire to attract readers that are looking for serious journalism.
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/Images/bezos_pecker.jpg (https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/Images/bezos_pecker.jpg)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Kim Thong Un and Trump (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DegbfPRX0AEhHrd.jpg)
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NY Post is the longest running newspaper in the USA with the 4th highest readership of any in print paper. Writing it off as a tabloid is a rather uninformed opinion.
tab·loid
/ˈtabˌloid/
noun: tabloid; plural noun: tabloids
a newspaper having pages half the size of those of a standard newspaper, typically popular in style and dominated by headlines, photographs, and sensational stories.
"the tabloid press"
Seems to describe the Post fairly accurately. The Post's most famous headline: “Headless Body in Topless Bar” ran on The Post’s front page on April 15, 1983.
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The ridiculously skewed story that you linked to and even more absurd headline are good examples of why the New York Post is considered a tabloid.
Here are a couple of recent examples of their front page that illustrates their commitment and desire to attract readers that are looking for serious journalism.
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/Images/bezos_pecker.jpg (https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2019/Images/bezos_pecker.jpg)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Kim Thong Un and Trump (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DegbfPRX0AEhHrd.jpg)
And yet the NYTs pushed Russia collusion story, which we know was not true, the 1619 project (discredit by all credible historians), and a lot of other false stories.
Spare me your righteous indignation, especially when your side publishes literal shit on shingles after it decided to kill its ethics.
Journalism is dead on the left, and it is the fault of the left.
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And yet the NYTs pushed Russia collusion story, which we know was not true, the 1619 project (discredit by all credible historians), and a lot of other false stories.
Spare me your righteous indignation, especially when your side publishes literal shit on shingles after it decided to kill its ethics.
Journalism is dead on the left, and it is the fault of the left.
Fine. What's the problem? If you think that journalism is dead on the left, don't read the journalism on the left. Read the journalism on the right, or whatever journalism meets whatever criteria you deem appropriate. I don't read the New York Post because I think it publishes, as you put it, "literal shit on shingles". If you think the NYT publishes "literal shit on shingles", don't read it. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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Please give us a break on this nonsense.
Quite.
Not long now. Here, at any rate. From both sides' nonsense.
Jeremy
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I am putting my money where my mouth is:
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I am putting my money where my mouth is:
Did you make a big contribution to the Trump campaign or something?
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NY Post is the longest running newspaper in the USA with the 4th highest readership of any in print paper. Writing it off as a tabloid is a rather uninformed opinion.
The Post is owned by the wackadoonsky and generally far-right Falun Gong sect.
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The Post is owned by the wackadoonsky and generally far-right Falun Gong sect.
So, I guess I am a yahoo or something because I didn't know anything about the Falun Gong sect, and as I have just about deluded myself into believing that I am naturally curious about stuff, I went over to Wikipedia to read up on them, because reading a Wikipedia article doesn't require that much intellectual ability, and is usually mercifully short. Turns out I was wrong. I think I may have mentioned before that I frequently am. It turns out that the article wasn't mercifully short. If you printed it out, it would be sort of like a CVS receipt. But I read it anyway, more or less, and I thought I would share a couple of paragraphs that caught my fancy.
"Both Shen Yun and Epoch Times are funded and operated by members of Falun Gong, a controversial spiritual group that was banned by China's government in 1999. [...] Falun Gong melds traditional Taoist principles with occasionally bizarre pronouncements from its Chinese-born founder and leader, Li Hongzhi. Among other pronouncements, Li has claimed that aliens started invading human minds in the beginning of the 20th century, leading to mass corruption and the invention of computers. He has also denounced feminism and homosexuality and claimed he can walk through walls and levitate. But the central tenet of the group’s wide-ranging belief system is its fierce opposition to communism...."
"Despite its conservative agenda, Epoch Times took pains until recently to avoid wading into partisan U.S. politics. That all changed in June 2015 after Donald Trump descended on a golden escalator to announce his presidential candidacy, proclaiming that he "beat China all the time." In Trump, Falun Gong saw more than just an ally—it saw a savior. As a former Epoch Times editor told NBC News, the group's leaders "believe that Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the communist party."
If you like the part about walking through walls, there was this really interesting episode of Superman broadcast on TV in the 1950's called "The Mysterious Cube". I would link to it but you would have to pay $1.99 to watch it. Basically Superman vibrates the molecules in his body so everything lines up and he can sort of melt his way through a concrete wall to catch the crook hiding inside. Most of the time he just goes crashing through like this:
https://youtu.be/1Z8KLHQy8aY
There was also a little bit in the article about the Chinese government killing Falun Gong members to harvest their organs, but I won't waste valuable bandwidth posting a quote. If you would like to read about that, and Falun Gong in general, here's the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
I am no media expert, but I think the New York Post would be better off posting stories about Superman than posting stories about David Pecker and making pecker jokes, but I guess pecker jokes sell papers. The next thing you know the New York Post will run a story about Hunter Biden's pecker. Apparently they have a photo of it. Rudy Giuliani gave it to them. Tucker Carlson almost lost his copy of the photo of Hunter Biden's pecker, but fortunately UPS found it. Stormy Daniels has already told us all about Donald Trump's pecker, so that's old news. I have been thinking about just how far we have come as a society in the past 25 years. Back then we knew that Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the Oval Office, but we really didn't know that much about his pecker. These days we know a lot about our president's pecker, and not just because he bragged about it in the debates last time around. Now we have an eye witness. Per aspera ad astra.
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On Fox and Friends this morning, Trump said he wouldn't play games when announcing victory. I don't believe him, but that is neither here nor there. Here is the statement from our ever articulate president:
“When there’s victory. If there’s victory,” Trump responded. “I think we’ll have victory. I think the polls are, you know, suppression polls. And I think we’ll have victory. But only when there’s victory. I mean, you know, there’s no reason to play games. And I think we’ll have victory.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/trump-says-he-wont-declare-victory-prematurely-433915
That short passage was so erudite, I ran it though the Flesch-Kincaid reading level analyzer and it came up with a grade level of 2.93. I'll give Trump the benefit of the doubt and round the score up to third grade. Sounds about right.
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“When there’s victory. If there’s victory,” Trump responded. “I think we’ll have victory. I think the polls are, you know, suppression polls. And I think we’ll have victory. But only when there’s victory. I mean, you know, there’s no reason to play games. And I think we’ll have victory.”
Looks like he is just rounding the corner.
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As we leave politics behind us, I'd like to share what is among the most famous and effective responses to a false political charge during a campaign. This was decades ago, so forget the politics and enjoy the humor of it.
Below is a little over two-minute clip of the FDR "Fala speech" from 1944. Many of you have probably heard it before. As an interesting side note, the Fala speech originated from an ad libbed joke about the Fala charge that Orson Welles told FDR. FDR liked Orson's joke enough that he had it incorporated into his speech.
https://www.youtube.com/FDR's Fala Speech Restored (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cdz-Zbsw2g)
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On Fox and Friends this morning, Trump said he wouldn't play games when announcing victory. I don't believe him, but that is neither here nor there. Here is the statement from our ever articulate president:
“When there’s victory. If there’s victory,” Trump responded. “I think we’ll have victory. I think the polls are, you know, suppression polls. And I think we’ll have victory. But only when there’s victory. I mean, you know, there’s no reason to play games. And I think we’ll have victory.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/trump-says-he-wont-declare-victory-prematurely-433915
That short passage was so erudite, I ran it though the Flesch-Kincaid reading level analyzer and it came up with a grade level of 2.93. I'll give Trump the benefit of the doubt and round the score up to 3rd grade. Sounds about right.
LOL If this was Obama vs Trump, sure these critiques would be honest. But Biden? C'mon man!
"... badakathcare?!?" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1BIj_wpY0) ???
But anyway, Biden was at +5 in PA last week, and today, the polls show them dead even with +2 for Trump in a couple of them. I voted already around noon, no lines. My wife just voted and again, no lines. I live in Philly, not exactly Trump country, and PA has not had the returns on mail in ballots the Dems were hoping for. So if Dems are really serious about voting out Trump, I dont see it.
If only I did not have a shoot tomorrow and could stay up sipping on this fine unopened bottle of Nativo 20 Year while enjoying a Cohiba Talisman. Hey, maybe it is a good thing, I could be wasting a great cigar on a losing election.
Well anyway, see you on the flip side.
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But anyway, Biden was at +5 in PA last week, and today, the polls show them dead even with +2 for Trump in a couple of them. I voted already around noon, no lines. My wife just voted and again, no lines. I live in Philly, not exactly Trump country, and PA has not had the returns on mail in ballots the Dems were hoping for. So if Dems are really serious about voting out Trump, I dont see it.
Interesting how everyone looks at the world and sees different things. I thought the general thinking was that Democrats would be voting by mail and Republicans would be voting in person. If that were the case, no lines on election day might auger that Republicans decided to stay home. I guess we'll just have to see how things turn out. My recollection is that in Pennsylvania mail-in ballots postmarked by election day and received up to three days later will be counted, so it might be a few days before results will be announced.
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The 538 polling average has dropped Biden's lead in Pennsylvania from +5.3 a week ago to +4.7 today.
The 538 Pennsylvania polling average for 2016 had Clinton at +3.7 going into the election. Trump won Pennsylvania by +0.7. The 538 average polling error for Pennsylvania was 4.4% in 2016, so anything is possible in 2020.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/pennsylvania/)
Politico - November 3, 2020
Democrats return nearly three times as many mail-in ballots as Republicans in Pennsylvania
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/Democrats return nearly three times as many mail-in ballots as Republicans in Pennsylvania (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/03/democrats-more-mail-in-ballots-pennsylvania-433951)
"Pennsylvania has received more than 2.5 million mail-in and absentee ballots so far, according to new data from election officials here.
That means that 81 percent of state voters who were sent those ballots have returned them. To break it down, more than 1.6 million of those ballots were from registered Democrats, 586,000 were from Republicans, and 278,000 were from independents or third-party voters.
This isn’t surprising or necessarily revealing: Political insiders have expected for months that Democrats would vote disproportionately by mail, while Republicans would vote disproportionately in person.
One stat that is interesting, though, is that 84 percent of registered Democrats who have been sent mail-in or absentee ballots have returned them, compared with 74 percent of Republicans.
When all is said and done, Kathy Boockvar, Pennsylvania’s Secretary of the Commonwealth, said she expects to receive as many as 2.6 million mail-in and absentee ballots. A Philadelphia election official estimated that 400,000 such votes would come from the city."
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I am pretty sure all of you have been waiting breathlessly on the edge of your seats to find out who Kanye voted for. Well, the suspense is over. He voted for himself as a write-in candidate. It was the first time he had ever voted. I guess he didn't realize he could have been voting for himself as a write-in candidate all these years.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kanye-west-votes-for-himself-election
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I am pretty sure all of you have been waiting breathlessly on the edge of your seats to find out who Kanye voted for. Well, the suspense is over. He voted for himself as a write-in candidate. It was the first time he had ever voted. I guess he didn't realize he could have voted for himself as a write-in candidate all these years.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kanye-west-votes-for-himself-election
Did see the video posted of his birthday present to Kim?
If not, he had a hologram made of her dead father talking to her ending with him congratulating her on marrying such a great man. His narcissism knows no bounds; regular run of the mill narcissists must have looked at that with awe.
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Did see the video posted of his birthday present to Kim?
If not, he had a hologram made of her dead father talking to her ending with him congratulating her on marrying such a great man. His narcissism knows no bounds; regular run of the mill narcissists must have looked at that with awe.
I think I may have seen something about Kim getting a hologram for her birthday in my newsfeed, but I didn't follow it up. I think I also read that she had her birthday on a private island, and invited a bunch of friends so they could play volleyball without wearing masks. But that may have been another celebrity. I have a hard time relating to that kind of stuff, so I don't pay too close attention. I mean Kim probably doesn't pay too close attention to what I get for my birthday, so that seems fair. We both have a lot of things going on in our lives.
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This probably isn't the best way for Trump to earn the Jewish vote in Michigan.
'Trump,' 'MAGA' graffiti defaces Jewish cemetery in Michigan
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-maga-graffiti-defaces-jewish-cemetery-michigan-n1245930
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Interesting how everyone looks at the world and sees different things. I thought the general thinking was that Democrats would be voting by mail and Republicans would be voting in person. If that were the case, no lines on election day might auger that Republicans decided to stay home. I guess we'll just have to see how things turn out. My recollection is that in Pennsylvania mail-in ballots postmarked by election day and received up to three days later will be counted, so it might be a few days before results will be announced.
To be perfectly honest, my opinion on who is going to win this changes every five minutes.
So, I'll be right no matter what! ;)
But anyway, if the Senate can stay red, I could give a damn who wins the white house. Trump has accomplished so much in 4 years it is amazing, like replacing the worst justice in modern history. I would like to see Saudi Arabi make peace with Israel and truly believe Biden will totally destroy the Middle East if elected. After all, he has been on the wrong side of every foreign policy decision in his career, and this is coming from Obama officials.
But if the Senate can hold and stay red, Biden wont really be able to do anything. The economy will chum along thanks to the Trump tax cuts and deregulation.
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It looks like Trump went out on a high note at last night's rally.
Trump’s Election Eve Message Focuses on Refusing to Pay Microphone Guy
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/trumps-election-eve-message-i-refuse-to-pay-microphone-guy.html
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Annnnnnnnnnnnnd ... FL goes to Trump.
Last time it took until about 10 PM for FL to be called. I remember the faces of the people in the Javits Center just changing around that time.
They are calling a 5+ point error in the polling for FL.
PS: I was not even feeling remotely confident in 2016 until about 11:30 in 2016, and now at 9:30 PM ...
PSS (at 10:15PM): My God!
The polling industry is now dead!
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The polling industry is now dead!
As, happily, is this thread. Political discussion (including of climate change) on this site is now banned, save for the Bear Pit thread which I shall open.
See here (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=136535.0) for more information.
Jeremy