US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Robert Roaldi]

As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.

Jeremy

Risk of transmission inside the car is probably higher than from walking around outside in much the same way that outdoor restaurant patios are less risky than restaurant interiors. The doctor's remarks seem to be over the top. Anyway, don't these guys ride around in cars all the time. At least Trump had a mask on this trip. But I agree with the doctor that it was a nutty thing to do, just another clownish photo op, but some people think those are important.

[KLaban]

As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.

Jeremy

Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.

[faberryman]

But I agree with the doctor that it was a nutty thing to do, just another clownish photo op, but some people think those are important.

I don’t think we can rule out a stunt double. It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.

Does anyone else think Sean Conley sounds as daft as Ronny Jackson?  Where do they get these guys?

[Robert Roaldi]

I don’t think we can rule out a stunt double. It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.

Or maybe MacGyver found him an antidote.

(You know, if you started signing your name "Q", the interweb would go insane.)

[faberryman]

Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.

Who would want to get in a car with someone infected with COVID? Ventilation or no ventilation? it wouldn’t be prudent. What the Secret Service needs to do is to call Google and get one of those self-driving cars. They could hire Clint Eastwood to run along side it wearing an earpiece and some cool looking sunglasses. Seems like that would deter the bad guys more than a couple of agents sitting in the front seat wearing plastic trash bags and swim goggles. Why do I always have to be the one to think up these obvious solutions?

[Alan Klein]

Hopefully his expertise is grounded in matters medical rather than the science and specification of vehicle air conditioning systems.

Everyone's an expert. We've got loads of them here at LuLa.   

[LesPalenik]

Everyone's an expert. We've got loads of them here at LuLa.   

Speaking about experts - many of them are saying that once you get the C19 virus, the disease will leave lasting effects in many organs even after the patient heals - including heart, lungs and brain damage. Not good for aggressive debaters.

[BernardLanguillier]

Another example of Republicans trying to prevent people from voting, here in Texas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nveDF7K2STo

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

Speaking about experts - many of them are saying that once you get the C19 virus, the disease will leave lasting effects in many organs even after the patient heals - including heart, lungs and brain damage. Not good for aggressive debaters.

Phew. That leaves me out.

[LesPalenik]

Phew. That leaves me out.

You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.

[John Camp]

As I myself demonstrate with distressing frequency, possession of a medical degree is no bar to making silly comments. The car is hermetically sealed to prevent noxious agents from entering. That fact has nothing whatever to do with the atmosphere inside, which must therefore be provided either from compressed air cylinders or some kind of purification system. It certainly must be supplied from some source, or the occupants would be dead very quickly. It's nonsense to suggest that the sealing of the car has any relevance to the risk of Covid transmission: suppose, as an obviously extreme example, the entire atmosphere were changed every 5 seconds.

Jeremy

I know nothing of this kind of thing, but I would assume that the air is routinely purified (it can be in my car) and is perhaps supplied from air tanks inside in case of an obvious gas attack...although, how obvious gas attacks might be, I have no idea. In any case, I suspect the "outgassing" of virus particles from a heavily infected man sitting in the back of an SUV and breathing toward the front would not be good for people sitting in the front. Large as the car may be for a car, it's not a large space. I read, however, that the agents in the front were wearing comprehensive protective gear so perhaps it wasn't a major threat to their health. However major or minor the threat might have been, it was an unnecessary one.

[jeremyrh]

It is possible that he died and they cryogenically froze his body for reanimation in the future.

Imagine finding that at the back of your freezer!

[thierrylegros396]

You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.

Mr President, who have access to your medical cares

[Alan Klein]

You are of the same age as Trump, and he says not to worry about the virus. If anything happens, just go to the Walter Reed hospital and ask for the same doctors who took care of him.

I would never go to a VA hospital even though I'm a vet. It's not safe.

[Alan Klein]

I know nothing of this kind of thing, but I would assume that the air is routinely purified (it can be in my car) and is perhaps supplied from air tanks inside in case of an obvious gas attack...although, how obvious gas attacks might be, I have no idea. In any case, I suspect the "outgassing" of virus particles from a heavily infected man sitting in the back of an SUV and breathing toward the front would not be good for people sitting in the front. Large as the car may be for a car, it's not a large space. I read, however, that the agents in the front were wearing comprehensive protective gear so perhaps it wasn't a major threat to their health. However major or minor the threat might have been, it was an unnecessary one.

His supporters were camped out for days in front of the hospital.  He went there to show his appreciation and let them know he's getting better.  This is election season and he's trying to show that unlike Biden, he doesn't hide and despite the virus and his age, he's a vibrant, active, and effective leader not asleep at the switch.  He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy. 

[LesPalenik]

His supporters were camped out for days in front of the hospital.  He went there to show his appreciation and let them know he's getting better.  This is election season and he's trying to show that unlike Biden, he doesn't hide and despite the virus and his age, he's a vibrant, active, and effective leader not asleep at the switch.  He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.

Parading outside and exposing other people to a virus when you are infected is equally dumb as going to the office with a flu. To some it may seem heroic, but in reality it is reckless, inconsiderate and counter-productive.

[Alan Klein]

Parading outside and exposing other people to a virus when you are infected is equally dumb as going to the office with a flu. To some it may seem heroic, but in reality it is reckless, inconsiderate and counter-productive.

People who would vote for him love it.

I remember after America conquered Iraq.   President Bush landed a plane on an aircraft carrier to make a speech about our victory, swaggered off the jet in a flyer's leather jacket to the cheers from the crew.  They ate it up.  That was dangerous too for the plane's crew.  He could have more safely taken a helicopter or made his speech from the Oval Office in the White House.  The Democrats were jealous he had that photo op.  It's all about politics.  Obama did the same thing when he flew to the Middle East secretly around the holidays to see the troops.  That put loads of people in danger.  The press and Republicans said nothing.  It's what's expected.

Democrats hate what Trump did because it shows him a a virile leader unlike sleepy stay-in-the-basement Biden.  No one really cares about the Secret Service agent. And they too understand these things happen.  After all, they're protecting a politician during campaign season especially.  These are the risks that come with the job and they know and accept it. 

[jeremyrh]

He's working for America all the time even if he's not 100% healthy.

That's America minus 200,000 Americans.  Maybe better if he didn't work so hard at what he's doing?

[Chris Kern]

President Bush landed a plane on an aircraft carrier to make a speech about our victory, swaggered off the jet in a flyer's leather jacket . . .

Bush was a passenger on that military jet.  A Navy pilot landed it on the aircraft carrier.

[Alan Klein]

Bush was a passenger on that military jet.  A Navy pilot landed it on the aircraft carrier.

Well they claim Bush handled the controls before landing.  But anyway, it was risky thing to do.  Planes crash often on carrier decks. He could have taken a safer helicopter or made the speech from land.  But he wanted the glory and photo op.

The press praised Obama for being brave and going to the dangerous Middle East to thank the troops. So Trump got out of his sick bed to thank his supporters and show America he's still doing his job.  In Washington; not dangerous Iraq. The fact is the anti Trump press turns everything he does into a negative.  Just the way it is.