COVID-19 updates

[Craig Lamson]

Just go away or talk about the actual epidemics, will you? This a total waste. All my “political” comments are in the Covid topics and regarding how the response was, and that was based on factual data of which I had knowledge; find other political comments from me elsewhere in this forum. You are blinded by your prejudice.

Yea , right.  I see you can’t see your own reflection in the mirror.  You are blinded by your self righteousness.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Here some articles mostly about Covid: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/trending/

I thought I already posted this but if not, here is the best source of pre-prints about COVID-19:  https://www.medrxiv.org/search/coronavirus%20numresults%3A10%20sort%3Apublication-date%20direction%3Adescending?page=1

[Raul_Rodriguez]

It's funny, someone - it could have been Dr Fauci - said that what happens in situations like this, is that folks always say at the beginning, the government is doing too much and at the end of it they say the government did not do enough....

I mean, will someone PLEASE think about the golf players!

[Alan Goldhammer]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere?

"Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients."

Favipiravir

It will be good if this does work as it is very easy to manufacture in bulk.  It's an oral drug but apparently is not active in the airway as per one published paper that looked at it versus influenza.  We'll have to see what the clinical data looks like.  There is an article in today's NY Times about how academic researchers have scaled up testing in looking at targets.\:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/science/coronavirus-treatment.html   What was most interesting to me is the interaction between these viruses and over 400 proteins in the cell it hijacks.  This could mean that there are many possible targets for drug discovery.

[JoeKitchen]

I mean, will someone PLEASE think about the golf players!

Just golfers.

Same deal with crew; it's not crew players but rowers. 

[Rob C]

Give me a break Will. 

Like I said before, stores, gyms, etc., I can see those.  Very large outdoor parks and forests?  It's an over reach.

Unless you wander around alone, no, it's not too much caution. Can you vouch for where anyone else has been, with whom they have exchanged viruses? Of course you can't. You need but one carrier to hand it over to you - gratis.

[chez]

Just golfers.

Same deal with crew; it's not crew players but rowers.

OMG...not the rowers too! What about the 80 year old couple that live at home being scared shitless of peaking out their door, afraid of picking up something that will kill them quickly. Surely the golfers and rowers have some compassion and understanding here...

[Craig Lamson]

Like I said, I dont see the point to it to a full shut down for 45 days or more.  Two to three weeks to help flatten the curve, then take measures to protect older people, and let others get back to their lives. 

I am being realistic here.  People are going to boil over and start doing this regardless.  Plus we need to develop an heard immunity to this, or it wont matter anyway.  We'll just come out and it will start up again. 

In Philadelphia, the courts have nearly completely shut down and all bail hearings have stopped.  To help keep the jails from overflowing, the police department yesterday announced they will no longer be making arrests for anything but major felonies.  If this is the case, how will they enforce a curfew or anything else.  Are they actually going to arrest someone for breaking a curfew but not for robbing his neighbor?  It just wont happen.  Politically it is a total non-starter. 

We are not China; the military is not going to descend into every town.  Even if this was an option, we are too large a country and our military is far too small to do so.

How are you going to work if your clients offices are closed and buildings are closed?  If the government says we are closed do you expect the companies you work for to just disregard the order?  I don’t think the companies I work for will do that.  Maybe yours are different.  I get it.  You don’t like this.  You want to get on with your life.  No one does Joe. 

People are not going to like this, even at two weeks.  There was a time in this country when the people all pulled together for the common good, even if it cost them their lives or the lives of their sons.  I don’t know if this situation is as grave, but I do know it’s going to take people considering the common good and doing what’s right.  Let’s hope we still have those values as a country. 

No one wants to see their live disrupted, but it’s going to happen no matter what.  You don’t want to lose your house and business...I get that.  But sometimes these things are beyond our control.  You just deal with it and rebuild I’d required.  That’s the realism here Joe.  It’s happened before. The crash of 08 was beyond my control, and it cost me everything but my house.  You get back up and rebuild.  At least you are young enough to have time to do so.  Many people are living on their investments and many won’t have the ability to earn more to replace what was lost. Sure the markets may come back and that will help, but for many it won’t.

I’m afraid this is going to be about shared sacrifice.  It won’t be fun.  Depending on how bad it gets it may become martial law.    Let’s hope not.  But, and I say this sadly...it appears the young just don’t give a damn.  The images on the news showing young people still crowding the beaches shows a real lack of concern for anything but themselves.  If this is the mentality of next generation of adults we are totally screwed. 

We are at a turning point.   The question is, how will we respond.

[JoeKitchen]

How are you going to work if your clients offices are closed and buildings are closed?  If the government says we are closed do you expect the companies you work for to just disregard the order?  I don’t think the companies I work for will do that.  Maybe yours are different.  I get it.  You don’t like this.  You want to get on with your life.  No one does Joe. 

People are not going to like this, even at two weeks.  There was a time in this country when the people all pulled together for the common good, even if it cost them their lives or the lives of their sons.  I don’t know if this situation is as grave, but I do know it’s going to take people considering the common good and doing what’s right.  Let’s hope we still have those values as a country. 

No one wants to see their live disrupted, but it’s going to happen no matter what.  You don’t want to lose your house and business...I get that.  But sometimes these things are beyond our control.  You just deal with it and rebuild I’d required.  That’s the realism here Joe.  It’s happened before. The crash of 08 was beyond my control, and it cost me everything but my house.  You get back up and rebuild.  At least you are young enough to have time to do so.  Many people are living on their investments and many won’t have the ability to earn more to replace what was lost. Sure the markets may come back and that will help, but for many it won’t.

I’m afraid this is going to be about shared sacrifice.  It won’t be fun.  Depending on how bad it gets it may become martial law.    Let’s hope not.  But, and I say this sadly...it appears the young just don’t give a damn.  The images on the news showing young people still crowding the beaches shows a real lack of concern for anything but themselves.  If this is the mentality of next generation of adults we are totally screwed. 

We are at a turning point.   The question is, how will we respond.

Dont need access to shoot exteriors.  Several of my projects are exteriors only. 

If people can order take out and leave their house to pick it up, I can go outside and shoot exteriors while not coming in contact with anyone. 

[JoeKitchen]

OMG...not the rowers too! What about the 80 year old couple that live at home being scared shitless of peaking out their door, afraid of picking up something that will kill them quickly. Surely the golfers and rowers have some compassion and understanding here...

I was just making a comment about the proper term for golfer and rowers people often mess up. 

If you wealthy enough to own your own single costing about $14K plus two oars about $800 each and a place to store this 20 foot thing, I dont feel bad for you.  However, rowing by yourself in the middle of the river is surely not going to put anyone in danger. 

[chez]

How are you going to work if your clients offices are closed and buildings are closed?  If the government says we are closed do you expect the companies you work for to just disregard the order?  I don’t think the companies I work for will do that.  Maybe yours are different.  I get it.  You don’t like this.  You want to get on with your life.  No one does Joe. 

People are not going to like this, even at two weeks.  There was a time in this country when the people all pulled together for the common good, even if it cost them their lives or the lives of their sons.  I don’t know if this situation is as grave, but I do know it’s going to take people considering the common good and doing what’s right.  Let’s hope we still have those values as a country. 

No one wants to see their live disrupted, but it’s going to happen no matter what.  You don’t want to lose your house and business...I get that.  But sometimes these things are beyond our control.  You just deal with it and rebuild I’d required.  That’s the realism here Joe.  It’s happened before. The crash of 08 was beyond my control, and it cost me everything but my house.  You get back up and rebuild.  At least you are young enough to have time to do so.  Many people are living on their investments and many won’t have the ability to earn more to replace what was lost. Sure the markets may come back and that will help, but for many it won’t.

I’m afraid this is going to be about shared sacrifice.  It won’t be fun.  Depending on how bad it gets it may become martial law.    Let’s hope not.  But, and I say this sadly...it appears the young just don’t give a damn.  The images on the news showing young people still crowding the beaches shows a real lack of concern for anything but themselves.  If this is the mentality of next generation of adults we are totally screwed. 

We are at a turning point.   The question is, how will we respond.

Yes, this situation will mark our society. I've heard China sending doctors and ventilators to Italy. I've heard Cuba take in a cruise line when every other country in the Carrabean would not...because medical treatment is a human right. Now it's up to us as to what mark we leave on society. There's been some good come out from countries that is unexpected...hopefully countries like the US and Canada can join these other countries and show society how to come out of this world wide crisis.

Surely people understand this is bigger than someone missing their tee off time.

[SharonVL]

How are you going to work if your clients offices are closed and buildings are closed?  If the government says we are closed do you expect the companies you work for to just disregard the order?  I don’t think the companies I work for will do that.  Maybe yours are different.  I get it.  You don’t like this.  You want to get on with your life.  No one does Joe. 

People are not going to like this, even at two weeks.  There was a time in this country when the people all pulled together for the common good, even if it cost them their lives or the lives of their sons.  I don’t know if this situation is as grave, but I do know it’s going to take people considering the common good and doing what’s right.  Let’s hope we still have those values as a country. 

No one wants to see their live disrupted, but it’s going to happen no matter what.  You don’t want to lose your house and business...I get that.  But sometimes these things are beyond our control.  You just deal with it and rebuild I’d required.  That’s the realism here Joe.  It’s happened before. The crash of 08 was beyond my control, and it cost me everything but my house.  You get back up and rebuild.  At least you are young enough to have time to do so.  Many people are living on their investments and many won’t have the ability to earn more to replace what was lost. Sure the markets may come back and that will help, but for many it won’t.

I’m afraid this is going to be about shared sacrifice.  It won’t be fun.  Depending on how bad it gets it may become martial law.    Let’s hope not.  But, and I say this sadly...it appears the young just don’t give a damn.  The images on the news showing young people still crowding the beaches shows a real lack of concern for anything but themselves.  If this is the mentality of next generation of adults we are totally screwed. 

We are at a turning point.   The question is, how will we respond.

Very thoughtful response, Craig.

[armand]

Yea , right.  I see you can’t see your own reflection in the mirror.  You are blinded by your self righteousness.

I have not political posts anywhere but the covid and they are related to specific things that I have actual knowledge. You are just pulling things from the internet because I said something bad about Trump.

As opposed to you I actually I don't have the comfort of staying home but have to deal with this crap on a very personal level.

The initial response to this pandemic was screwed up (as in other parts of the world) and Trump and team minimized until they couldn't hide it anymore. There is a consensus about this even among my republican coworkers. Is he the only one guilty? Of course not but he has his share. You got stuck that I have gotten wrong the exact wording on one comment, neglecting the bulk of the messages. And no, I don't plan to watch Fox to educate myself, I tried a couple of times and no more; and I don't watch CNN either, worry not.
Things is I don't have too, this IS NOT a political discussion.

Be that as it may, I'm not trying to convince you because that's why I stayed out of political discussions, after multiple pages and posts, multiple hours spent and maybe few topics closed, everybody has the exact opinion as in the beginning.
I only was dragged into this by people like you who can't take any negative comments about their leader.

[armand]

I thought I already posted this but if not, here is the best source of pre-prints about COVID-19:  https://www.medrxiv.org/search/coronavirus%20numresults%3A10%20sort%3Apublication-date%20direction%3Adescending?page=1

Yes, I guess it depends on your background too and which source your more comfortable this. I think you have a background in basic sciences and I see why this would be your best source. I have a medical background and gravitate towards the more clinical articles.
Good to have both in this times although information overload is a danger and there is a current rush of so so quality data.

Everybody is in overdrive reading and searching now trying to figure it out how to best approach this. We are awfully unprepared despite having so much warning time. In the hospital where I work we are already in protective equipment sparring mode despite the fact we have yet to get the first confirmed case. It's just a matter of time, the confirmed cases are getting closer and closer and with a 3+ days to get the test results back we might already have some.

[Craig Lamson]

I have not political posts anywhere but the covid and they are related to specific things that I have actual knowledge. You are just pulling things from the internet because I said something bad about Trump.

As opposed to you I actually I don't have the comfort of staying home but have to deal with this crap on a very personal level.

The initial response to this pandemic was screwed up (as in other parts of the world) and Trump and team minimized until they couldn't hide it anymore. There is a consensus about this even among my republican coworkers. Is he the only one guilty? Of course not but he has his share. You got stuck that I have gotten wrong the exact wording on one comment, neglecting the bulk of the messages. And no, I don't plan to watch Fox to educate myself, I tried a couple of times and no more; and I don't watch CNN either, worry not.
Things is I don't have too, this IS NOT a political discussion.

Be that as it may, I'm not trying to convince you because that's why I stayed out of political discussions, after multiple pages and posts, multiple hours spent and maybe few topics closed, everybody has the exact opinion as in the beginning.
I only was dragged into this by people like you who can't take any negative comments about their leader.

And there you go again with the political comments you say you dislike.  You got called on this by others but you still can’t see what you are doing.  You got “ dragged” into this by yourself and your own comments.  Deal with it.

[Raul_Rodriguez]

Just golfers.

Same deal with crew; it's not crew players but rowers.

Gotta sharpen my English.

[Craig Lamson]

Dont need access to shoot exteriors.  Several of my projects are exteriors only.

You may not need access but you still need the blessing of the clients.  Some may be a bit put off by the fact you might be disregarding warnings just to make images.  Others maybe not.  Have you considered how it might appear to new, potential clients when they ask you how you got these image of buildings with no people and you tell tell them you made them during the Covid-19 crisis...when people were asked to stay home?  That might not be a comment some will want to hear. 

added on edit:

There is a marked difference between eating and making images....

Reputations take a very long time to build and a very short time to destroy. 

In the end only you can decide how you will respond to this.  I wish you well with your choices.

[JoeKitchen]

You may not need access but you still need the blessing of the clients.  Some may be a bit put off by the fact you might be disregarding warnings just to make images.  Others maybe not.  Have you considered how it might appear to new, potential clients when they ask you how you got these image of buildings with no people and you tell tell them you made them during the Covid-19 crisis...when people were asked to stay home?  That might not be a comment some will want to hear. 

Reputations take a very long time to build and a very short time to destroy. 

In the end only you can decide how you will respond to this.  I wish you well with your choices.

There are some who will find it unpleasant, most wont care.  I keep my cards pretty close to the chest and would not discuss with them how or when I made the images unless they were complicate in hiring me. 

Plus I edit people out of images all of the time by just taking several dozen shots within a 5 minute time period.  Who's to say how I edited them out. 

Like I added to my above post, if people can and now being encouraged to order take out, I shooting exteriors is no big deal.  I don't come in contact with people when doing so, especially if I light up a Churchill to keep people away.  When you order take out, how many people do you come in contact with? 

Edit, there is a large difference between making your own food and paying someone to do it for you.  Yesterday I made a new 6 pound wheel of Gouda, which albeit will take 6 months to be ready, a few loaves of bread, a bunch a vegetables, etc.  Today I have 3 gallons of beef stew stewing and rendering out tallow from the fat I cut away.  I'm doing my part. 

To be honest, I think you are over reacting.  For someone in your age group, sure, I can understand isolating yourself from the world for a few months.  For everyone else, it will just delay the enviable.  As I said before, should we just lock ourselves up for three months only to come out and start it all over again, or should we try to build a heard immunity?  I vote for the latter. 

Even my own mother yesterday, when speaking about my sister's children, told me there is no way she is not seeing her grandchildren.  My brother is like you, wants her to stay locked up indefinitely.  I can see the concern and err on the side of caution, but she just does not care. 

"Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back."

[Alan Klein]

Oh, no I agree completely.  It's unacceptable when any media outlet assumes the worst about a President that is as forthright, honest, concise and magnanimous as Donald J. Trump.  It's just so gosh darn unfair.

Newspapers should check rumors and leads before they print stuff.  Especially papers like the NY Times who know better and where you expect honest reporting.  This is why they're not trusted anymore.  Evey news item is politically reviewed for effect before published to see if it can aid their political positions. 

[Alan Klein]

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That's sort of the Trump administration in a nutshell, amirite?

I'll be serious for a moment...

You're correct, but rightwingers hold traditional media to a standard that "their" (the right wing) favored publications could never, ever, ever, EVER uphold.  It would be counter to their entire raison d'être.. So yeah, while I concur that the headline is misleading and I do wish that media like NYT and WaPo were hyper aware of their obligations, especially now, you'll pardon me if my eyes are rolling so far that they're about to pop out of my head when you cast Donald Trump and his current enablers in Congress as victims of any sort.

They just don't like it when their own tactics are used on them.

We expect politicians on both sides of the aisle to be partisan.  That's what they do. But  newspapers who play political games lose their authority and our respect and trust.