Topic: Ilford Imaging bankrupt (Read 51735 times)

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #40 on:** December 22, 2013, 08:49:14 am »

Quote from: Mr. Capp on December 21, 2013, 10:25:05 am

After finding the new Prestige pearl I thought I finally had my paper, especially one that wouldn't get scratched coming through my 3880.
Now that it's leaving us, I'm on the hunt again. One the good side I just tested Red Rivers Ultrapro Satin 3.0. I'd wait for others to do tests but I'm finding the gamut very large, deeper black than the ilford and a great canned great profile. If they only made it thicker but I think this will be a new standard RC for me.

The RR Ultra Pro Satin has at least a similar OBA content and most of its OBAs in the paperbase. Like the Ilford Smooth Lustre but is not a lower weight clone or the Ilford Smooth Lustre though. The other RR RC qualities have a high load of OBAs, mainly in the inkjet coating.

Some European distributors have RC qualities that come closer to the Ilford Smooth Lustre.

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KatManDEW · « **Reply #41 on:** December 22, 2013, 11:46:30 am »

I just received a reward card from B&H for almost enough for another roll of Prestige Pearl, so I ordered another roll. Perfect timing

Still very disappointed to hear about Ilford

I will keep a watch here for updates, and possible alternatives.

Thanks to all for the info.

GuidoBruck · « **Reply #42 on:** December 23, 2013, 04:11:52 am »

I used Ilford GALERIE Prestige Smooth Lustre Duo to make photo books, but maybe not enough :-(. I looked for a replacement on the web but the only non matte double sided coated inkjet paper I found was Tecco DS275 DUO Satin. Can anybody recommend other papers which I should have a look at? Printer is an Epson 4900. Any help is appreciated.

Merry Christmas to all.

Guido

OliverS · « **Reply #43 on:** December 23, 2013, 05:32:15 am »

Sihl MasterClass 4845 Lustre Fotopapier Duo

regards
Oliver

chez · « **Reply #44 on:** December 23, 2013, 08:17:37 am »

Quote from: OliverS on December 23, 2013, 05:32:15 am

We have similar papers in our range as i told before, and the DUO, it´s not our own range, but we sell as a distributor the following:

Sihl MasterClass 4845 Lustre Fotopapier Duo

regards
Oliver

Please keep your advertising away from this forum.

abiggs · « **Reply #45 on:** December 23, 2013, 09:08:28 am »

I wouldn't be freaked out about not having Gold Fiber Silk, as Ilford doesn't make the paper anyway. Yes, we have the Canson branded one but I would anticipate the same paper popping up from another brand name.

Mark D Segal · « **Reply #46 on:** December 23, 2013, 10:02:17 am »

Quote from: abiggs on December 23, 2013, 09:08:28 am

I wouldn't be freaked out about not having Gold Fiber Silk, as Ilford doesn't make the paper anyway. Yes, we have the Canson branded one but I would anticipate the same paper popping up from another brand name.

What do you mean by "make the paper"? Do you mean the base or the coating? The facility involved in the bankruptcy is the coating mill in Marly, Canton Fribourg, Switzerland. My understanding is that the paper base comes from elsewhere and the coating is done in Marly. My understanding is that the Marly coating facility also coats other papers on contract for other brands. If you look at the notices on the packaging of GFS, it says "Made in Germany". Hard to know what percentage value of the content is associated with that designation by EU rules. Canson Baryta Photographique is pretty much an identical product, but that packaging says "Made in France". I understand that Canson, however, does not coat its own papers. I hope their Baryta Photographique was not being coated in Marly. There are only several coating mills in Europe and who makes exactly what components of a paper for others or on their own account is "unclear" at best.

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #47 on:** December 23, 2013, 10:53:17 am »

Quote from: GuidoBruck on December 23, 2013, 04:11:52 am

I used Ilford GALERIE Prestige Smooth Lustre Duo to make photo books, but maybe not enough :-(. I looked for a replacement on the web but the only non matte double sided coated inkjet paper I found was Tecco DS275 DUO Satin. Can anybody recommend other papers which I should have a look at? Printer is an Epson 4900. Any help is appreciated.

Merry Christmas to all.

Guido

The Sihl mentioned has an equivalent in the Moab Lasal Dual Semigloss 330 gsm. Which one is easier to get depends on your location.

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Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #48 on:** December 23, 2013, 11:25:43 am »

Quote from: Mark D Segal on December 23, 2013, 10:02:17 am

What do you mean by "make the paper"? Do you mean the base or the coating? The facility involved in the bankruptcy is the coating mill in Marly, Canton Fribourg, Switzerland. My understanding is that the paper base comes from elsewhere and the coating is done in Marly. My understanding is that the Marly coating facility also coats other papers on contract for other brands. If you look at the notices on the packaging of GFS, it says "Made in Germany". Hard to know what percentage value of the content is associated with that designation by EU rules. Canson Baryta Photographique is pretty much an identical product, but that packaging says "Made in France". I understand that Canson, however, does not coat its own papers. I hope their Baryta Photographique was not being coated in Marly. There are only several coating mills in Europe and who makes exactly what components of a paper for others or on their own account is "unclear" at best.

Sihl, division of Diatec, has several coating facilities in Europe and it coats also for Hahnemühle. Harman probably has part of their analogue coating equipment in use for inkjet media, if the deal with HM was not more than marketing that has not changed. Felix Schoeller has inline coating facilities in its paper making plant in Weissenborn. One could wonder where Bergger, Canson, InnovaArt, Somerset, Olmec have their coating done in Europe. That covers roughly the European manufacturers of the inkjet papers we discuss here. Folex in Switzerland has coating facilities, at least for their own products but could coat for others too.

Yes Ilford Imaging must have coated for companies like Canson.

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phcorrigan · « **Reply #49 on:** January 11, 2014, 03:33:19 pm »

I just went to the Ilford Imaging web site (ilford.com) and not only is it up and running, but it has a 2014 copyright date!

I also found this article from September 25, 2013:

http://www.printweek.com/print-week/news/1130749/ilford-rescued-mbo-job-cuts

Perhaps the rumors of Ilford's death have been exaggerated?

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #50 on:** January 11, 2014, 03:51:25 pm »

Insolvency 2 or 3 in Ilford Imaging history, not the recent II bankrupt case we discuss here.

Ernst, op de lei getypt.

PhotoEcosse · « **Reply #51 on:** January 11, 2014, 04:35:19 pm »

According to today's Amateur Photographer (i.e. 18th January issue), the factory has now closed and all production ceased and staff paid off.

Pity - I just love their Galerie Gold Mono Silk for b&w prints. I have a good stock but may have to go back to Fotospeed's Platinum Baryta when the stock runs out.

Incidentally, the company in trouble is just the Swiss-based inkjet paper maker. The long-established "real" Ilford in UK, who make photographic paper and film, is not connected in any way and is not in any sort of financial mess.

Mark D Segal · « **Reply #52 on:** January 11, 2014, 07:53:11 pm »

Very sad. I wonder what happened to their inventory and works in progress. And I wonder whether the equipment is being maintained regardless of the shut-down just in case other interested parties turn-up. This plant serviced a lot more than their own branded papers. So while it looks like the end and sounds like the end, it may not necessarily really be THE END. Time will tell.

Alan Goldhammer · « **Reply #53 on:** January 12, 2014, 01:33:50 pm »

Quote from: Mark D Segal on January 11, 2014, 07:53:11 pm

Very sad. I wonder what happened to their inventory and works in progress. And I wonder whether the equipment is being maintained regardless of the shut-down just in case other interested parties turn-up. This plant serviced a lot more than their own branded papers. So while it looks like the end and sounds like the end, it may not necessarily really be THE END. Time will tell.

Depends on the size and age of the equipment. If there are a lot of creditors, the equipment will likely be sold off for as much as they can get as this is the usual route for bankruptcies.

francois · « **Reply #54 on:** January 13, 2014, 08:05:04 am »

I can confirm that the work has come to a stop back in December. Remaining employees were laid off. Just before that, the director said in a televised interview that they were fulfilling orders for their customers.

A few days later, I've heard that Canton of Fribourg could acquire buildings and infrastructure but no official word on that option.

Unfortunately, legally, Ilford Imaging in Marly in now in liquidation.

francois · « **Reply #55 on:** January 14, 2014, 04:10:19 am »

Some fresh news and they are not good!

With a few employees, production has resumed. It will last only until supplies are exhausted. Ilford Imaging will be shut down for good at the end of January. The head of production said that some services will be sold to different parties but without mentioning anything about what services and who are those interested.

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #56 on:** January 14, 2014, 08:41:15 am »

Any chance to get the names of the companies that used Ilford Imaging to coat their products?

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francois · « **Reply #57 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:02:19 am »

Quote from: Ernst Dinkla on January 14, 2014, 08:41:15 am

Any chance to get the names of the companies that used Ilford Imaging to coat their products?

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Hi Ernst,
No word at this point. Mr. Michel Gremaud (head of production) didn't say anything more. It would have been very interesting to know what services are for sale and if there's any potential buyer(s) at this point.

I've found an article about the latest news: http://www.agefi.com/une/detail/archive/2014/january/artikel/ilford-cessation-de-lactivite-fin-janvier.html

It's in french but you might want to translate it in german or english. via translate.google.com or www.reverso.net

HCHeyerdahl · « **Reply #58 on:** January 21, 2014, 04:26:09 pm »

I have been using Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl II on my HP Z 3200ps. My supply is near the end and I see that my dealer has Ilford Galerie Prestige Smooth Pearl in Stock. Is this the "next editon" of the same paper?

Has anybody used this paper on a HP Z3200 With any of the downloadable profiles? The available profiles don`t seem to match very well, but maybe I just don`t understand which one to choose.

Chris

Ernst Dinkla · « **Reply #59 on:** January 21, 2014, 05:00:25 pm »

The new version is about 30 grams heavier. Spectral plot is the same.

What is wrong with either APS or Color Center of the Z3200PS software to make a profile?

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