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Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« on: December 10, 2013, 03:16:08 am »

It's now official, Ilford Imaging has been shutdown and a judge declared bankruptcy.

This is sad but almost inevitable after the last possible investor withdrawal a few days ago.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 04:09:38 am »

Time to buy the last batches of GFS.

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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 05:27:39 am »

Time to buy the last batches of GFS.

I stocked up, well in advance but will try to find additional boxes and rolls.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 12:34:16 pm »

Does this apply to their film as well, or just paper division?  ???

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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 12:47:22 pm »

Does this apply to their film as well, or just paper division?  ???

SG

It's just Ilford Imaging  (http://www.ilford.com) in Switzerland. Ilford Photo (http://www.ilfordphoto.com) is not the same company, so B&W films, Harman papers and other products supplies are not affected.

Ilford Imaging used to sell inkjet papers such as the Gold Fibre Silk or Smooth Gloss.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 02:14:22 pm »

For those using Gold Fibre Silk, Canson Baryta Photographique is pretty much a clone. Remains to be seen whether they jack-up the price.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 03:00:38 pm »

For those using Gold Fibre Silk, Canson Baryta Photographique is pretty much a clone. Remains to be seen whether they jack-up the price.
If I were trying to get users of another brand to switch to my paper, I'd run a sale, to get them to try it. The last thing I'd do is raise my price.

But that's just me.  :)
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 11:32:22 pm »

For those using Gold Fibre Silk, Canson Baryta Photographique is pretty much a clone. Remains to be seen whether they jack-up the price.

Well not really, the GFS has a noticeable warm tone. For neutral tone, Canson is excellent though
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 11:49:47 pm »

Well not really, the GFS has a noticeable warm tone. ...

It is no different in that regard than Canson Baryta Photographique, at least when profiled well.

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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 12:19:02 am »

Correct - in fact you can successfully use the same profile for the two papers.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2013, 05:43:25 am »

Sad news indeed. Has anyone come across a comparable product to their Prestige Smooth Pearl? Especially one that is easily available in Europe.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2013, 07:15:48 am »

Canson PhotoSatin. About to become my default paper.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2013, 08:55:25 am »

Canson PhotoSatin is not even close IMO. Ilford Pearl has much more distinct "pearling", while PhotoSatin is smoother, with very fine texture - comparing to Fuji DP II c-print types, Ilford looks like Lustre, and Canson like Matte surface.

After the end of production of lamented Canon Photo Glacier/HW Satin I had switched to Tecco Production Semiglossy 300gsm that has similar "pearling" to both HW Satin and Ilford Pearl.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2013, 09:32:11 am »

Some RC papers from Bonjet and Photolux (both German) are so close in spectral plot etc to the Smooth Pearl that they could have been from the same coating facility, the one that will dry up.

There are more similar RC papers but no clones. Luster and Pearl names usually representing a texture like the Smooth Pearl.

It will be interesting to see whether Canson Baryta Photographique is produced elsewhere and no short supply is created by Ilford Imaging's fate.

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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2013, 09:48:17 am »

Well not really, the GFS has a noticeable warm tone. For neutral tone, Canson is excellent though

Measured: Canson Baryta Photographique Lab 98.0 0.1 0.0 and the Ilford Galerie Prestige GoldFibre Lab 97.8 0.0 -0.8.
That 0.8 difference on the b is less than people see as a difference with two samples next to one another.
The sample of IGFS that I measured before it got the prestiguous name had a Lab 98.2 0.0 0.5 measurement. The differences are production batch differences in my opinion. The spectral plots are identical.

The Canson Platine is as neutral, slightly less reflective, and has a different spectral plot which points to no OBA content. Cotton base though.

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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 10:03:51 am »

Canson PhotoSatin is not even close IMO. Ilford Pearl has much more distinct "pearling", while PhotoSatin is smoother, with very fine texture - comparing to Fuji DP II c-print types, Ilford looks like Lustre, and Canson like Matte surface.

After the end of production of lamented Canon Photo Glacier/HW Satin I had switched to Tecco Production Semiglossy 300gsm that has similar "pearling" to both HW Satin and Ilford Pearl.

The Canson paper has a nice sheen to the surface. To me, "matte" refers to a flat surface with little or no reflectivity. This is not what I see in Canson PhotoSatin. Nevertheless, here are three papers that are widely available and have a deeper texture than the Canson paper:
  • Canon Photo Paper Pro Luster
  • Epson Ultra Premium Luster
  • Red River Arctic Polar Luster
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 10:04:51 am »

How about any favorite similar rc papers close to the pearl in the United States. I'm giving red river prosatin 3.0 another try, after testing the 2.0. HP? Any others to try, especially one that isn't too blue. It took me a while to find the ilford pearl and of course now it'll be gone.


Sad news indeed. Has anyone come across a comparable product to their Prestige Smooth Pearl? Especially one that is easily available in Europe.
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 03:00:47 pm »

The website is down... but you can login to download paper profiles... but for how long? If you need profiles you better download soon!
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Re: Ilford Imaging bankrupt
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 04:13:31 pm »

I do not believe Canson Baryta Photographique and Ilford GFS come from the same mills in Europe.

(In fact, I see on the packaging that the Canson BP is manufactured in France and the IGFS in Germany.)
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