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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17580 on: December 30, 2025, 01:02:26 am »

Not from AI:
Ibn Al-Haytham portrait is on the Iraqi Dinar!
From AI, correcting the statement above if you'll accept AI:

Overview
There's no single "first scientist,"


I never wrote there was. My statement was: "He's widely regarded as the first true scientist and the "father of the modern scientific method."

I then explained why he was considered to be the first true scientist. It was because he was the first to define and apply the true methodologies of scientific inquiry and that those methodologies were gradually accepted by the great historical scientists of later centuries, despite the political and religious backlash against scientists providing evidence that contradicted the consensus view.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17581 on: December 30, 2025, 07:23:28 am »

Trump was quoted as saying that Putin only wanted the best for Ukraine, or something like that. The exact quote is all over the interweb. I suppose it's not a lie, it's just that Putin probably does believe that Ukraine is better off annexed to Russia. Ukrainians might not agree.

It's difficult to know what Trump believes. First the enemy was China, then Canada, then Mexico, then Denmark, then maybe Ukraine though they may still be negotiating Trump's mining royalties, then Venezuela, then Nigeria, then China again, hell, everyone is the enemy, Democrats, immigrants of nearly all kinds except the rich ones, there's a queue. Wasn't that one of the storylines in Orwell's 1984, that they rewrote history books now and then to reflect the newest enemy. Is it possible to over flood the zone?

Whatever happened to that long column of migrants making their way to the US from South America that was in the news at one point? How did they ever get through all the Central American borders, has anyone ever looked into that?

The US attacked a dock in Venezuela from where drugs were being loaded onto those little boats. I wonder how many docks there are in Venezuela. Are any real estate speculators buying up cheap Venezuelan coastal land yet? You can't build too many resorts and people there will work cheap too, the local officials will see to that.

De Santis in Florida is now on record as being against AI. It's difficult to see public statements like this as anything but bribery solicitation these days. I know that's ultra-cynical and I'm almost ashamed of myself.
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« Reply #17582 on: December 30, 2025, 07:34:11 am »

Musk has a new crush https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-denmark-audrey-morris-comments-deportation-b2891785.html. I like a good news story now and then, don't you? Boy meets girl, it brings a smile, doesn't it?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17583 on: December 30, 2025, 09:32:33 am »

Overview
There's no single "first scientist,"


I never wrote there was. My statement was: "He's widely regarded as the first true scientist and the "father of the modern scientific method."
According to AI, your favorite source of data, part of your statement is wrong!
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either". -Albert Einstein
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17584 on: December 30, 2025, 12:39:14 pm »

I'm almost ashamed of myself.
Well, you're almost there!
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17585 on: December 30, 2025, 01:13:26 pm »

Well, you're almost there!

Your opinion of me is of no importance. I'm surprised you waste the time.

The question is are you ok with Trump saying that Putin wants Ukraine to succeed? Are you ok with Trump lowering tariffs on Switzerland after they gifted him a gold bar?

Do you think that these are correct ways to conduct foreign policy?

Do you believe that foreigners eat pet dogs?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17586 on: December 30, 2025, 01:25:32 pm »

Well, you're almost there!
More irrational thought and attendant behavior filling the LuLa forum vacuum as expected.

“…there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance”.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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« Reply #17587 on: December 30, 2025, 08:50:55 pm »

According to AI, your favorite source of data, part of your statement is wrong!
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either". -Albert Einstein

Try asking the question: "Is ibn al-haytham widely regarded as the first true scientist using the true methodology of science?"

This is Google's AI response:

"Yes, Ibn al-Haytham is widely regarded by many historians of science as the first true scientist to implement a rigorous, modern-style scientific methodology. His work in the 11th century, particularly in his Book of Optics (Kitab al-Manazir), profoundly influenced later European thinkers and set a new standard for empirical inquiry."

Do you still want to nitpick?  :D
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17588 on: December 30, 2025, 10:33:01 pm »

Try asking the question: "Is ibn al-haytham widely regarded as the first true scientist using the true methodology of science?"

This is Google's AI response:

"Yes, Ibn al-Haytham is widely regarded by many historians of science as the first true scientist to implement a rigorous, modern-style scientific methodology. His work in the 11th century, particularly in his Book of Optics (Kitab al-Manazir), profoundly influenced later European thinkers and set a new standard for empirical inquiry."

Do you still want to nitpick?  :D
Try asking AI if Thales of Miletus or Aristotle are untrue scientists since you are so sure Ibn al-Haytham is widely regarded by many as (your words) the “first true scientist”.

As for nitpick, as many of your readers here have demonstrated, your right to be heard doesn’t automatically translate into your right to be taken seriously. 🤔

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17589 on: December 31, 2025, 06:56:33 am »

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Do you still want to nitpick?  :D



It would be foolhardy for anyone to try to out-nitpick you.  :)
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17590 on: December 31, 2025, 06:56:58 am »

One of the great flaws of today’s world, caused by the Internet, is that anyone can appear - if briefly - to be an expert on almost any topic by virtue of simply typing a question… it renders true knowledge of some particular matter appear obsolete. Why am I surprised? It’s how kids are taught in school nowadays: remember nothing, just use your cellphone or supplied iPad.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17591 on: December 31, 2025, 07:04:29 am »

The operation on the Venezuelan dock was "covert"?  What?  I enjoyed the third paragraph in this story https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5667497-trump-venezuela-covert-operation/.

Good thing that Russia only wants the best for Ukraine or this statement could be misinterpreted https://thehill.com/policy/international/5666558-russia-threatens-ukraine-president/. OTOH, it has become more or less normal for country leaders to threaten people.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17592 on: December 31, 2025, 09:40:54 am »

Try asking AI if Thales of Miletus or Aristotle are untrue scientists since you are so sure Ibn al-Haytham is widely regarded by many as (your words) the “first true scientist”.


A better question is: "How do Thales of Miletus and Aristotle compare with Ibn al Haytham?"

Answer: "Thales of Miletus and Aristotle were Greek philosophers who sought natural explanations for the universe, moving beyond divine myths, but their methods were primarily observational and rationalist. In contrast, Ibn al-Haytham, while influenced by Greek thought, pioneered a rigorous, systematic experimental methodology that laid the foundations for modern science."

Got it?  ;)
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« Reply #17593 on: December 31, 2025, 10:02:53 am »

A better question is: "How do Thales of Miletus and Aristotle compare with Ibn al Haytham?"
A better question is, why would someone hallucinate without the aid of AI and post about the first ‘true’ scientist without a lick of data to back up another strong opinion here. Or use this sloppiness to digress on the topic of science and the climate, about which 90-odd plus percent of real (and true) scientists agree? After using a strong opinion without a lick of data to dismiss the economic facts of wind/solar, real renewable energy based on data (LCOE) is ignored here again to digress away from the facts provided, which clearly oppose the strong opinion. It is again why the vast majority of your readers here don’t take you seriously; got it? I didn’t think so - tip #4 should be a focus:
https://www.talentsmarteq.com/8-ways-to-get-people-to-take-you-more-seriously/
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #17594 on: December 31, 2025, 12:29:10 pm »

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« Reply #17595 on: December 31, 2025, 12:45:02 pm »

He never will.
You and Ray should start your own non-photo forum; then there would be two members who would take each other. (somewhat) seriously. It's a good hobby for you, Frans, while searching for Solux replacements. 😂
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« Reply #17596 on: December 31, 2025, 01:49:25 pm »

You and Ray should start your own non-photo forum; then there would be two members who would take each other. (somewhat) seriously. It's a good hobby for you, Frans, while searching for Solux replacements. 😂
Talking about SoLux replacements, what are your recommendations?
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« Reply #17597 on: December 31, 2025, 01:53:58 pm »

Talking about SoLux replacements, what are your recommendations?
You have this odd repetitive habit of asking questions of others, when your posting history and agenda show/prove, you have no desire or ability to accept any answer. No need to ask questions. The factual answers provided will be ignored at best, or as is more often the case, you will disagree with the answers without any kind of evidence.
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« Reply #17598 on: December 31, 2025, 02:52:30 pm »

You have this odd repetitive habit of asking questions of others, when your posting history and agenda show/prove, you have no desire or ability to accept any answer. No need to ask questions. The factual answers provided will be ignored at best, or as is more often the case, you will disagree with the answers without any kind of evidence.
Thats's a total cop-out. I am honestly interested in your recommendation for SoLux replacements and why you recommend them and will get those to try out. My stash of 4700K SoLux bulbs is not going to last forever and I bet many other people are in the same situation. Fair enough?
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« Reply #17599 on: December 31, 2025, 03:03:30 pm »

Thats's a total cop-out. I am honestly interested in your recommendation for SoLux replacements and why you recommend them and will get those to try out. My stash of 4700K SoLux bulbs is not going to last forever and I bet many other people are in the same situation. Fair enough?
I honestly have no interest in helping YOU. I will not ignore YOUR agenda and posting history!

Flicker, eyestrain, or headache when using a monitor with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/flicker-eyestrain-or-headache-when-using-a-monitor-with-led-backlighting.484239/#post-5124157

AND:
How do you like your 23" NEC P232W-BK-SV with LED backlighting?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-do-you-like-your-23-nec-p232w-bk-sv-with-led-backlighting.483939/#post-5126524

AND:
Three different color calculators can't be wrong, can they?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/three-different-color-calculators-cant-be-wrong-can-they.483168/

AND:
Do SoLux bulbs meet color temp specs?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/do-solux-bulbs-meet-color-temp-specs.482331/#post-5072451

AND on the subjct of displays:
NEC SpectraView update doesn't work
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-spectraview-update-doesnt-work.507616/#post-5448082

NEC PA242W with SpectraView problems
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/nec-pa242w-with-spectraview-problems.501605/#post-5337077

NEC P242W with SpectraView weird flicker On this forum
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=102486.msg840773#msg840773

AND:
Epson R2880 suddenly prints with a reddish color cast
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=124550.msg1042516#msg1042516

AND:
Photoshop Elements 2018 doesn't report Exposure Compensation
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/photoshop-elements-2018-doesnt-report-exposure-compensation.5511047/

AND:
How to backup Elements 2018 Camera RAW Database in Windows 7?
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/how-to-backup-elements-2018-camera-raw-database-in-windows-7.5511347/

AND:
ACR Histogram misunderstanding
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134533.msg1162239#msg1162239

AND:
(thankfully, I missed this slugfest of Frans):
In-camera RAW histograms
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/in-camera-raw-histograms.5518557/

AND:
Elements print bug
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/bug-in-photoshop-elements.5519898/#post-5821352

AND:
We can now add to that long list of nonsense about sensors overheating and being an issue in 10 pages of back and forth that resulted in it all getting deleted here but contained on poor PhotoNet:

https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/are-dslrs-doomed-tony-northrup-says-no.5515216/

AND: a year later, more sensor heat nonsense on LuLa:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1171465#msg1171465

AND:
Frans's inability to understand the idea behind solarization and use the Solarize filter:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=141324.msg1245085#msg1245085
 Cross-posted of course:
https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/why-does-pse-filter-stylize-solarize-reduce-luminance-values-to-maximum-128.5530077/

AND:
Confusion and inability to understand FDS vs. FDR:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=136697.msg1234981#msg1234981

AND:
Solux replacement nonsense (yes, FOUR ** threads of this rubbish):

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=141796.0

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=142111.new#new

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=141868.new;topicseen#new

https://www.photo.net/forums/topic/545959-solux-mr16-lamp-replacement/#comment-5778782

** suffering such embarrassment in two, he deleted his own threads:
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=141796.0

And slopy raw rendering resulting in green overlay in Elements:
https://www.photo.net/forums/topic/548271-green-patches-after-using-haze-removal-in-photoshop-elements-2021/page/3/#comment-5782000

And: Epson ET-2800 printing resolution problem
https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=144748.0
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