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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14280 on: June 20, 2022, 10:55:20 am »

That's what he meant if you read between the lines.
Just try reading and the comprehension of English before “reading between the lines” and as expected, assuming the meaning of the writings!
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« Reply #14281 on: June 20, 2022, 11:56:09 am »

Despite complete lack of evidence, Texas Republicans declare themselves on the last federal election, https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/texas-republicans-declare-biden-election-illegitimate-despite-evidence/.

Also, they declared homosexuality to be abnormal. Now all they have to do is declare tornadoes, heat waves and snowstorms illegal and they'll be all set.
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« Reply #14282 on: June 20, 2022, 12:04:13 pm »

Well summed up visually:
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« Reply #14283 on: June 20, 2022, 12:29:52 pm »

Just try reading and the comprehension of English before “reading between the lines” and as expected, assuming the meaning of the writings!

If someone genuinely doesn't understand what I've written, I'll try to find a better way to make my meaning clear for them. I don't have a problem with that. But when someone pretends not to understand, that's someone that will waste my time and I'm no longer interested.

I'm not going to reject a conversation with someone based on a perception of their knowledge or lack of it. Their sincerity or lack thereof is another matter. I'm happy to engage with people of differing opinions. I enjoy honest debate with people who are sincere in what they say.

For me, it's not a question of true or false; it's a question of whether I believe someone is being honest or dishonest in the way they interact with me. I'm not willing to waste time with people that pretend not to comprehend, that pretend to reply to what you've written but are replying to things that you've never said.

Whether I engage with someone isn't a matter of their intelligence, knowledge, judgement, or conditioned on agreeing with what I believe to be true or factual. It's their character that determines if I want to engage in conversation or not. I actually like some of the people with whom I've had many disagreements here. I may enjoy their wit or intelligence, but most of all I appreciate their sincerity — despite the fact that we may disagree on some matters.

I'm done interacting with anyone that knowingly creates false pretexts and frameworks just to get a response. Let them bait someone else for the attention they seek. That hook is going to float on by from now on.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14284 on: June 20, 2022, 01:27:52 pm »

Despite complete lack of evidence, Texas Republicans declare themselves on the last federal election, https://nypost.com/2022/06/20/texas-republicans-declare-biden-election-illegitimate-despite-evidence/.

Also, they declared homosexuality to be abnormal. Now all they have to do is declare tornadoes, heat waves and snowstorms illegal and they'll be all set.

Good. Let them go back to drawing lines in the sand to declare who's a Real American and who's not. There are simply too many "others" for that to achieve widespread electoral success in the long run.

Of course, the downside is they realize that. This is the reason for wanting the fewest number of people to vote and why they are ready to overturn, thru any means neccessary, the legitimate elections which they lose.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14285 on: June 20, 2022, 03:14:01 pm »

Agreed, but the sideshow spectacle of the Big Lie continues, truly baffling. The Trumpster himself just keeps doubling down, a one-trick pony. At this point his antics and those of some acolytes, MJT, Tuck on TV, etc., seem to belong more in the realm of psychiatric care than anything. I get an icky feeling the rare time I listen to it, incredible to me that it has any traction.

The more worrying aspect is that they have been actively placing fellow travellers in positions in state legislatures that have some control over the disposition of electoral votes. It sounds like to me as if they are being placed there to overrule voters' wishes in the future. Isn't that treason, sort of? At the very least, it goes agains the basic idea, doesn't it? Is this threat exaggerated because if it isn't shouldn't people be more worried?

The concerns you express are all too real. They are shared by those that place the preservation of freedom and democracy above of the promotion of party and ideology. Let's hope there are enough of those to keep what has been treasured for over 230 years.
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« Reply #14286 on: June 20, 2022, 03:27:41 pm »

Excerpted from The Economist,

... The insurrection, Ms Cheney suggested, was not an unfortunate culmination of his lies; rather it represented his last throw of the dice in a “sophisticated seven-part plan to overturn the presidential election and prevent the transfer of presidential power”...

Thanks for the link. I'm not a subscriber, but I did read a Google cached version of the article.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/www.economist.com/united-states/2022/06/16/the-criminal-case-against-donald-trump
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #14287 on: June 20, 2022, 04:02:58 pm »

Agreed, but the sideshow spectacle of the Big Lie continues, truly baffling. The Trumpster himself just keeps doubling down, a one-trick pony. At this point his antics and those of some acolytes, MJT, Tuck on TV, etc., seem to belong more in the realm of psychiatric care than anything. I get an icky feeling the rare time I listen to it, incredible to me that it has any traction.

The more worrying aspect is that they have been actively placing fellow travellers in positions in state legislatures that have some control over the disposition of electoral votes. It sounds like to me as if they are being placed there to overrule voters' wishes in the future. Isn't that treason, sort of? At the very least, it goes agains the basic idea, doesn't it? Is this threat exaggerated because if it isn't shouldn't people be more worried?
I wonder if you're as concerned with Democratic plans to subvert the democratic process by gerrymandering more power to their party in Illinois, NY and other states?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/illinois-may-be-the-worst-democratic-gerrymander-in-the-country/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/nyregion/redistricting-congress-gerrymander-ny.html

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« Reply #14288 on: June 20, 2022, 04:03:36 pm »

I do subscribe and it's worth every penny. Or cent.
It's so patently obvious to removed observers (as we are in New Zealand) that many in the GoP/Republican Party are not only no longer supporters of democracy, or defenders of the Constitution, they are hostile to it.
If the electorate cannot grasp this, then they will get the Government they deserve.
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« Reply #14289 on: June 20, 2022, 04:05:07 pm »

I do subscribe and it's worth every penny. Or cent.
It's so patently obvious to removed observers (as we are in New Zealand) that many in the GoP/Republican Party are not only no longer supporters of democracy, or defenders of the Constitution, they are hostile to it.
If the electorate cannot grasp this, then they will get the Government they deserve.
See my last post.

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« Reply #14290 on: June 20, 2022, 04:19:29 pm »

I wonder if you're as concerned with Democratic plans to subvert the democratic process by gerrymandering more power to their party in Illinois, NY and other states?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/illinois-may-be-the-worst-democratic-gerrymander-in-the-country/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/nyregion/redistricting-congress-gerrymander-ny.html
We could ask Alan the same question of Republican gerrymandering but it would be pointless and the distraction he wants from the Trump coup he refuses to explore. Which he has to ask such a silly question which for all gerrymandering in comparison is an easy answer: no!!!
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« Reply #14291 on: June 20, 2022, 04:38:45 pm »

See my last** post.
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And here's the hypocrisy of Alans question and his utter lack of understanding gerrymandering by his party:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216821817
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« Reply #14292 on: June 20, 2022, 05:28:55 pm »

We could ask Alan the same question of Republican gerrymandering but it would be pointless and the distraction he wants from the Trump coup he refuses to explore. Which he has to ask such a silly question which for all gerrymandering in comparison is an easy answer: no!!!

• For anyone that is genuinely interested in the topic of the 50 states individual redistricting procedures or the history and ongoing efforts surrounding gerrymandering, I don't know of a better place to start than Ballotpedia. If anyone knows of additional resources, I'm always willing to learn more.

https://ballotpedia.org/Gerrymandering

https://ballotpedia.org/State-by-state_redistricting_procedures

• For insight into the well organized national Republican Party gerrymandering operation named REDMAP undertaken after their defeat in 2008 and in anticipation of the 2010 census redistricting...

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/07/19/gerrymandering-republicans-redmap

'Gerrymandering On Steroids': How Republicans Stacked The Nation's Statehouses

https://www.theatlantic.com/gerrymandering-technology-redmap-2020

How Redistricting Became a Technological Arms Race

Advances in data, computing, and fundraising have given politicians new power to gerrymander democracy away.

• There has been a great deal written about REDMAP which you can find with Google. If you prefer to listen while you multitask...

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/redmap-update
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« Reply #14293 on: June 20, 2022, 05:40:35 pm »

It's so patently obvious to removed observers (as we are in New Zealand) that many in the GoP/Republican Party are not only no longer supporters of democracy, or defenders of the Constitution, they are hostile to it.
If the electorate cannot grasp this, then they will get the Government they deserve.

I've long shared the sentiment that the citizens of the U.S. and other democratic republics get the government we deserve. If democracy is allowed to be replaced by demagogues, personality cults, or ideological zealots; we will, sadly, deserve that too.

I've seen the argument put forth on this forum that the United States isn't a democracy. I suppose those with that point of view will be less disappointed if it should disappear.
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« Reply #14294 on: June 20, 2022, 08:55:52 pm »



A police hostage situation? A raid to arrest a violent fugitive? No... this is a still from a campaign video for U.S. Senate candidate and former Governor of Missouri Eric Greitens and the theme it depicts is "RINO Hunting". For those not familiar with U.S. political jargon, RINO is what Republicans call other Republicans who aren't crazy enough for their liking. It is an acronym which means "Republican In Name Only".

It's from a 38-second campaign ad which begins... "I’m Eric Greitens, Navy Seal, and today we’re going RINO hunting. The RINO feeds on corruption and is marked by the stripes of cowardice.” Then a battering ram bashes in the door of an average looking suburban home followed by: "Join the MAGA crew, get a RINO hunting permit. There’s no bagging limit, no tagging limit and it doesn’t expire until we save our country.”

If you can stomach the 38 seconds of U.S. Senate campaign ad video, here's a link...

https://www.youtube.com/Eric Greitens political ad - KMIZ ABC 17 News

Twitter has flagged it, but decided to leave it up. Perhaps because it's important to show just how out of control and insane this has become.

"This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about abusive behavior. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible"

https://twitter.com/EricGreitens/status/Order your RINO Hunting Permit today!
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« Reply #14295 on: June 21, 2022, 05:30:13 am »

Zoologist, Economist, Virologist, Climatologist, legal scholar, and he still has time to practice the hobby of Photography.  :o

Alan may be not the expert in all these areas, but he has more grasp of economy than Jeremy Powell and the other Fed clowns. I suspect that he is also a better photographer than the aforementioned ensemble.

First, the Fed didn't heed the warnings about coming inflation caused by all the money printing, wasted six trillions on cavalier covid stimulus, then they hired hundreds of investigators to follow up on fraudulent stimulus applications and billions of dollars and then they are shocked to discover the "transitory" inflation only to declare a few months later that the transitory inflation is now a permanent 8.6% inflation, which of course, is only about half of the real inflation when you consider increases of gas and food prices. And Walmart is selling now a two-pack of no-name brand men's boxer briefs for $23.

While the initial covid stimulus was meant to prevent job losses and collapse of economy, now they are resolved to follow through the series of rapid interest rate increases to fight the inflation even if it will cause a stock market crash and millions of unemployed. 

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IRS investigators have uncovered more than $1.8 billion in fraudulent activity related to federal COVID-19 stimulus funds, the agency said Wednesday. Two years after the Trump administration passed the first trillion-dollar stimulus package, which provided $1,200 checks to individuals and forgivable loans to small businesses as the US economy shut down, the IRS said it has closed 660 criminal cases related to various stimulus bills prompted by the pandemic.

“These cases included a broad range of criminal activity, including fraudulently obtained loans, credits and payments meant for American workers, families, and small businesses,” the IRS Criminal Investigation division said in a statement.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/599371-irs-probe-finds-nearly-2-billion-in-covid-19-related-stimulus-fraud/
 
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« Reply #14296 on: June 21, 2022, 07:22:43 am »

Alan may be not the expert in all these areas, but he has more grasp of economy than Jeremy Powell and the other Fed clowns. ...
First, the Fed didn't heed the warnings about coming inflation caused by all the money printing, wasted six trillions on cavalier covid stimulus ...

Attached are 4 charts,
WTI Crude Oil
Industrial production
Containership - cost of transportation, and finally
US dollar v Russian Rouble.

Please explain exactly how the Fed are, or were, able to influence the first three markets (prime inflation 'movers') - it's a rhetorical question.

And second, how come the trade sanctions, so beloved of Trump and the MAGA crowd, resulted in the rouble initially collapsing to a low of 134 against the greenback, yet now in the midst of record sanctions as a consequence of the Ukrainian invasion, the rouble stands at an alltime high against the dollar of 55 (strong rouble, weak dollar).
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« Reply #14297 on: June 21, 2022, 07:33:45 am »

• For anyone that is genuinely interested in the topic of the 50 states individual redistricting procedures or the history and ongoing efforts surrounding gerrymandering, I don't know of a better place to start than Ballotpedia. If anyone knows of additional resources, I'm always willing to learn more.

https://ballotpedia.org/Gerrymandering

https://ballotpedia.org/State-by-state_redistricting_procedures

• For insight into the well organized national Republican Party gerrymandering operation named REDMAP undertaken after their defeat in 2008 and in anticipation of the 2010 census redistricting...

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/07/19/gerrymandering-republicans-redmap

'Gerrymandering On Steroids': How Republicans Stacked The Nation's Statehouses

https://www.theatlantic.com/gerrymandering-technology-redmap-2020

How Redistricting Became a Technological Arms Race

Advances in data, computing, and fundraising have given politicians new power to gerrymander democracy away.

• There has been a great deal written about REDMAP which you can find with Google. If you prefer to listen while you multitask...

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/redmap-update
Of course, Republicans engage in gerrymandering just like Democrats.  My point about Democrats doing it was to answer another poster's comment that Republicans aren't democratic.  I was pointing out that Democrats are equally undemocratic when given a chance to put their thumb on the electoral process using Gerrymandering to distort the vote. Both parties engage in it. 

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« Reply #14298 on: June 21, 2022, 07:40:52 am »

Alan may be not the expert in all these areas, but he has more grasp of economy than Jeremy Powell and the other Fed clowns. I suspect that he is also a better photographer than the aforementioned ensemble.

First, the Fed didn't heed the warnings about coming inflation caused by all the money printing, wasted six trillions on cavalier covid stimulus, then they hired hundreds of investigators to follow up on fraudulent stimulus applications and billions of dollars and then they are shocked to discover the "transitory" inflation only to declare a few months later that the transitory inflation is now a permanent 8.6% inflation, which of course, is only about half of the real inflation when you consider increases of gas and food prices. And Walmart is selling now a two-pack of no-name brand men's boxer briefs for $23.

While the initial covid stimulus was meant to prevent job losses and collapse of economy, now they are resolved to follow through the series of rapid interest rate increases to fight the inflation even if it will cause a stock market crash and millions of unemployed. 

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/599371-irs-probe-finds-nearly-2-billion-in-covid-19-related-stimulus-fraud/
 
Thanks for the support and comments. But you are the photographer having published professionally.  I recommend to others here to  check out your photobook and purchase one as I did.  They can contact you privately to do that. If I remember that stats, you sold thousands.
Here's some info on the book.  https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/georgian-bay-panoramas_les-palenik/8286169/#edition=32488232&idiq=43252134

Regarding the Fed, I would not blame them alone.  It's Congress that spends beyond taxes, abhorrent as they are to increase taxes and not get re-elected.  So they depend on the Fed to make up the difference with printing.  Of course, they want to be re-elected to the Fed by the President and Congress, and they might even get promoted to US Treasurer like Yellen, so there's that incestuous relationship as well.
(correction: Yellen is Secretary of the Treasury, not US Treasurer).
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« Reply #14299 on: June 21, 2022, 07:54:26 am »

Attached are 4 charts,
WTI Crude Oil
Industrial production
Containership - cost of transportation, and finally
US dollar v Russian Rouble.

Please explain exactly how the Fed are, or were, able to influence the first three markets (prime inflation 'movers') - it's a rhetorical question.

And second, how come the trade sanctions, so beloved of Trump and the MAGA crowd, resulted in the rouble initially collapsing to a low of 134 against the greenback, yet now in the midst of record sanctions as a consequence of the Ukrainian invasion, the rouble stands at an alltime high against the dollar of 55 (strong rouble, weak dollar).

People make the mistake of defining inflation as the rise in prices.  That's a modern definition, and incorrect traditionally.  Inflation traditionally was defined as the expansion of the money supply done by the Fed and other central banks.  If there isn't a corresponding increase in productivity, then each unit of the currency is worth less so you need more of it to buy the same product.  So prices go up.  During COvid, we got a double whammy.  FIrst productivity went down as the government shut down businesses.  Then they issued stimulus and Covid money increasing the money supply.  So you had more money chasing fewer goods.  Hence, prices go up.  Governments are the cause of inflation.  Of course, they try to blame greedy industrialists and greedy labor unions to take the heat off themselves so voters won't blame them. 

Of course, there are other factors in an economy that affect prices.  Supply and demand, war, disease, weather, sanctions, product availability, monopolies, labor strikes, government regulation, taxes, import duties, etc. Each product is affected in its own way.  But inflation, the expansion of the money supply, affects the overall market and economy as it generally causes the rise of prices and costs across the board. 
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