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« Reply #13460 on: January 08, 2022, 05:26:49 am »

But it's the Democrats and you who are misusing the American language.  The way you describe it [* see below for how I actually described words], any demonstration against the government can be considered illegal and could be called an insurrection.  A demonstration is not illegal and not an insurrection.  It's our right of free speech. A riot is illegal but it's also not an insurrection unless there are activities that are legally acts of insurrection to overthrow the government. The government has charged no one with insurrection.  No one was trying to overthrow the government.  They were making a lot of noise and were destructive.  But that's not insurrection.  Stop using that word.  It's hyperbole that the Democrats are using for political influence.  It's all being overblown to try to keep Democrats in power and not lose the upcoming election.

These episodes of dancing around in circles and barking like an enraged poodle have me concerned about your health. Have you been checked for signs of a stroke recently? You've become worryingly confused and apoplectic!

Meanwhile, you might consider simply consulting a dictionary to gain some insight into the meaning of words. You've repeatedly confused insurrection with overthrowing the government [a revolution] and now you're fabricating a claim that I've described insurrection to be the same as a demonstration. Here, I'll help you get started (New Oxford American Dictionary)...

• insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government
• rebellion: an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler; the action or process of resisting authority, control, or convention
• revolt: rise in rebellion, refuse to acknowledge someone or something as having authority: voters may revolt when they realize the cost of the measures.
• revolution: a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system
• demonstration: a public meeting or march protesting against something or expressing views on a political issue
• riot: a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd; take part in a violent public disturbance

You can compare the definitions above to the general descriptions I used to describe some of these words and my, and others, use of insurrection to describe January 6th, both of which have had you responding with bizarre ramblings: * "As an example, insurrection, rebellion, and revolt refer to acts of defiance against government authority. These acts are often aimed at a specific type of government authority which is being defied or challenged, such as taxation or the drafting of soldiers—perhaps the results of an election. Revolution, on the other hand, is an act or series of acts which seek to overthrow and replace an existing government with a new government."

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*** I know, I know, some will say that everything I've written will just bounce right off and I'm wasting my energy—and you're right. But it may be of benefit to someone else that reads it, even if it is ignored or twisted beyond all recognition by the person to whom I've replied.
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« Reply #13461 on: January 08, 2022, 05:36:03 am »

But it's the Democrats and you who are misusing the American language.  The way you describe it, any demonstration against the government can be considered illegal and could be called an insurrection.  A demonstration is not illegal and not an insurrection. 

This could be described as a demonstration.



This less so ...



A demonstration is not illegal and not an insurrection.  It's our right of free speech.

THIS is no demonstration and certainly not your 'right to free speech'



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« Reply #13462 on: January 08, 2022, 05:52:29 am »

Try using your brain!
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« Reply #13463 on: January 08, 2022, 06:39:35 am »

These episodes of dancing around in circles and barking like an enraged poodle have me concerned about your health. Have you been checked for signs of a stroke recently? You've become worryingly confused and apoplectic!

Meanwhile, you might consider simply consulting a dictionary to gain some insight into the meaning of words. You've repeatedly confused insurrection with overthrowing the government [a revolution] and now you're fabricating a claim that I've described insurrection to be the same as a demonstration. Here, I'll help you get started (New Oxford American Dictionary)...

• insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government
• rebellion: an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler; the action or process of resisting authority, control, or convention
• revolt: rise in rebellion, refuse to acknowledge someone or something as having authority: voters may revolt when they realize the cost of the measures.
• revolution: a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system
• demonstration: a public meeting or march protesting against something or expressing views on a political issue
• riot: a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd; take part in a violent public disturbance

You can compare the definitions above to the general descriptions I used to describe some of these words and my, and others, use of insurrection to describe January 6th, both of which have had you responding with bizarre ramblings: * "As an example, insurrection, rebellion, and revolt refer to acts of defiance against government authority. These acts are often aimed at a specific type of government authority which is being defied or challenged, such as taxation or the drafting of soldiers—perhaps the results of an election. Revolution, on the other hand, is an act or series of acts which seek to overthrow and replace an existing government with a new government."

** If the above doesn't help... Try repeating: Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV  (Under 2-minutes) https://www.youtube.com/Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV: The Movie

*** I know, I know, some will say that everything I've written will just bounce right off and I'm wasting my energy—and you're right. But it may be of benefit to someone else that reads it, even if it is ignored or twisted beyond all recognition by the person to whom I've replied.
You can define it however you want.  But the facts are that the Justice Department has not charged anyone with insurrection.   It was a riot. If it was an insurrection, you can be sure that Attorney General Garland and the Demcoratic Biden-controlled DOJ would have charged it.  If they did, the Federal judges would throw them out of court accusing them of overcharging.  The DOJ would be laughed at and then Democrats would also be embarrassed to use the word.  This way Democrats can continue to use that politically-charged word without penalty.

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« Reply #13464 on: January 08, 2022, 06:43:11 am »

This could be described as a demonstration.



This less so ...


THIS is no demonstration and certainly not your 'right to free speech'



Those guys with guns are the cops, not the demonstrators.  Why didn't you also show us some Army tanks?

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« Reply #13465 on: January 08, 2022, 06:52:15 am »

You can define it however you want.

I don't need to define words. We have dictionaries for that purpose. You should try one sometime. Your posts wouldn't appear so foolish if you did.

You might also try looking up factual information, rather than fabricating the bullshit that you post.
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« Reply #13466 on: January 08, 2022, 06:58:01 am »

To go back to a previous discussion when people objected to Rittenhouse marching around protecting property with an AR15 and then winding up shooting three people killing two of them, should the New Black Liberation Party be allowed to do similar things? Those look like AR15s as well and a shotgun.

Shackled killers of black US teen Ahmaud Arbery are led out of court to begin their life sentences as heavily-armed Black Panthers stand guard outside the Georgia courthouse - and two of them will die in jail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380573/Shackled-killers-Ahmaud-Arbery-led-court-New-Black-Panthers-stand-guard.html


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« Reply #13467 on: January 08, 2022, 07:00:52 am »

I don't need to define words. We have dictionaries for that purpose. You should try one sometime. Your posts wouldn't appear so foolish if you did.

You might also try looking up factual information, rather than fabricating the bullshit that you post.
When you start cursing, you lost the argument.  :)

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« Reply #13468 on: January 08, 2022, 07:02:23 am »

To go back to a previous discussion...

Maybe someone will take your bait. Personally, I don't really care for the smell, taste, or visual appearance of the bait you've been using.
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« Reply #13469 on: January 08, 2022, 07:03:15 am »

When you start cursing, you lost the argument.

How nice for you. Congratulate yourself.
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« Reply #13470 on: January 08, 2022, 07:44:12 am »

To go back to a previous discussion when people objected to Rittenhouse marching around protecting property with an AR15 and then winding up shooting three people killing two of them, should the New Black Liberation Party be allowed to do similar things? Those look like AR15s as well and a shotgun.

Shackled killers of black US teen Ahmaud Arbery are led out of court to begin their life sentences as heavily-armed Black Panthers stand guard outside the Georgia courthouse - and two of them will die in jail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10380573/Shackled-killers-Ahmaud-Arbery-led-court-New-Black-Panthers-stand-guard.html





I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that only white people should be allowed to protect themselves and their families? Are you playing the race card here?

Aren't you the one who has advocated for the use of weapons by citizens to defend themselves from arbitrary government (or however you phrased it)? Might this not be an example of that.

We'll leave aside for the moment the fact that Rittenhouse travelled to a different city to confront demonstrators and wasn't defending anything. The courts have decided that one, at least in that case. They've made their bed and will have to lie in it, assuming it's not overturned on appeal. Maybe now you'll get roving armies of armed citizens travelling from demonstration to demonstration shooting people. What could go wrong?

Taking a step back, if citizens feel that they have to parade the streets with loaded AR15s to make their point or to protect themselves or at least pretend that they protecting themselves, then I'd say you have a big problem to fix. I have no expertise in cultural studies but as a layman I'm saying that the "armed militia in public" behaviour may be one of the markers of a failing culture. Normal people don't behave this way. That's the kind of photo that war photographers take in foreign countries. I hope this kind of behaviour is mostly theatre because if it's not and all these guys decide to start shooting, well, that's not a good thing.

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« Reply #13471 on: January 08, 2022, 08:04:57 am »


I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that only white people should be allowed to protect themselves and their families? Are you playing the race card here?

Aren't you the one who has advocated for the use of weapons by citizens to defend themselves from arbitrary government (or however you phrased it)? Might this not be an example of that.

We'll leave aside for the moment the fact that Rittenhouse travelled to a different city to confront demonstrators and wasn't defending anything. The courts have decided that one, at least in that case. They've made their bed and will have to lie in it, assuming it's not overturned on appeal. Maybe now you'll get roving armies of armed citizens travelling from demonstration to demonstration shooting people. What could go wrong?

Taking a step back, if citizens feel that they have to parade the streets with loaded AR15s to make their point or to protect themselves or at least pretend that they protecting themselves, then I'd say you have a big problem to fix. I have no expertise in cultural studies but as a layman I'm saying that the "armed militia in public" behaviour may be one of the markers of a failing culture. Normal people don't behave this way. That's the kind of photo that war photographers take in foreign countries. I hope this kind of behaviour is mostly theatre because if it's not and all these guys decide to start shooting, well, that's not a good thing.


Thnaks for your opinion on this.  I presented it as a "what if the shoe was on the other foot" kind of question.  Some seem to feel that Rittenhouse, a white guy at a black demonstration, had no right to protect people and businesses in a town only a few miles away from where he lived on the border, but where some of his family lived or came from. That he was looking for an excuse to cause trouble.  But do those same people feel that Blacks, who probably aren't from this town where the trial was, have a right to defend their rights and issues with similar armament?  I'm just curious if what's not good for the goose is also not good for the gander?

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« Reply #13472 on: January 08, 2022, 08:19:35 am »




Those guys with guns are the cops, not the demonstrators. 

DUH, You dimwit !!
Yes, armed police protecting premises and persons from the incursion.

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« Reply #13473 on: January 08, 2022, 08:27:11 am »




DUH, You dimwit !!
Yes, armed police protecting premises and persons from the incursion.


When people are rioting, you show the rioters.  For all we know, there was one old woman on the other side knocking on the door to get it.  Showing a bunch of scared police with the guns drawn explains nothing about the situation.  It's clickbait.

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« Reply #13474 on: January 08, 2022, 09:17:49 am »

Thnaks for your opinion on this.  I presented it as a "what if the shoe was on the other foot" kind of question.  Some seem to feel that Rittenhouse, a white guy at a black demonstration, had no right to protect people and businesses in a town only a few miles away from where he lived on the border, but where some of his family lived or came from. That he was looking for an excuse to cause trouble.  But do those same people feel that Blacks, who probably aren't from this town where the trial was, have a right to defend their rights and issues with similar armament?  I'm just curious if what's not good for the goose is also not good for the gander?

I don't know why you're trying to turn this into a race thing. If you want my personal opinion, anybody roving the streets with loaded guns should be in jail. You're not living in war-time Kabul. And if your streets are really so dangerous that people feel the need to walk around armed, then you're toast anyway.

What's over-the-top repulsive though, is a political class that is deliberately stirring up feelings of fear encouraging lies and bullshit conspiracies. I'm surprised you don't see that for what it is, given that you profess to believe in constitutional freedoms and have bragged in the past about American fighting fascism overseas. You seem to be always looking for a fight but I think you don't even though what you're fighting about.
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« Reply #13475 on: January 08, 2022, 09:25:40 am »

By the way, these are not the cops where the woman was shot.  There's no black male cop there who was the one who shot her. .  Also, I notice that the black female cop with her back to us didn't draw her gun.  She's calmer than the rest of the 7 male idiots there. The cop on the right has a club and gun in the same hand.  Do you mean they couldn't control the situation with nightsticks that they had?  Well, apparently they did.  After all, these cops didn't shoot anyone so why were their guns drawn?  It looks like the Gunfight at the OK Corral.

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« Reply #13476 on: January 08, 2022, 09:32:48 am »

I don't know why you're trying to turn this into a race thing. If you want my personal opinion, anybody roving the streets with loaded guns should be in jail. You're not living in war-time Kabul. And if your streets are really so dangerous that people feel the need to walk around armed, then you're toast anyway.

What's over-the-top repulsive though, is a political class that is deliberately stirring up feelings of fear encouraging lies and bullshit conspiracies. I'm surprised you don't see that for what it is, given that you profess to believe in constitutional freedoms and have bragged in the past about American fighting fascism overseas. You seem to be always looking for a fight but I think you don't even though what you're fighting about.
I agree.  The Democrats and left-wing press keep stirring up conspiracy theories that the right is going to take over the government and country.  They use the word insurrection a lot.


Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/08/post-911-domestic-terror

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« Reply #13477 on: January 08, 2022, 10:59:39 am »

I agree.  The Democrats and left-wing press keep stirring up conspiracy theories that the right is going to take over the government and country.  They use the word insurrection a lot.


Far-right terror poses bigger threat to US than Islamist extremism post-9/11
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/08/post-911-domestic-terror

Maybe I'll ask the question in a different way. Do you think that Trump actually believes that the election was stolen? Even though he's an obvious beta, I don't personally think that he truly believes that. He's a grifter and this is his latest con. Every con needs a mark. And he's found many of them. The reason that I believe that he's perpetuating this con is because he is incapable of doing anything more worthwhile with his time, which is a spectacular failure of imagination, at best.

Or maybe let me ask this in another way entirely. Do you think that pro wrestling is real?
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« Reply #13478 on: January 08, 2022, 11:38:30 am »

Maybe I'll ask the question in a different way.
Do you think you'll get an honest answer, one provided with any logic or thought?
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« Reply #13479 on: January 08, 2022, 12:10:19 pm »

Do you think that Trump actually believes that the election was stolen?

I think a more revealing question would be "Do YOU think the election was stolen" 
(or "stoled" as the Pillow man termed it)
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