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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #10800 on: June 01, 2021, 01:37:48 pm »

You know you can still get private insurance, right?  Heck, I bet NJ has one of the better ACA exchanges. I assume you also know that the ACA exchanges are still setting you up with private insurers, right?  Also, the Brit in question lost his EU coverage because the morons in the UK decided to LEAVE THE EU.
By the way, there was nothing stopping the British parliament from continuing health insurance for ex-pats after they left the EU.  Or, they could have provided a rebate to ex-pats who aren't using the British health system so they could have money for private health care insurance. After all, those Brits paid into the system all their lives.  But the British parliament in their wisdom or cheapness or lack of caring didn't feel they wanted to do that.  That's what happens when you depend on government.

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« Reply #10801 on: June 01, 2021, 01:42:05 pm »

Peter, The high cost of electricity in Germany due to green energy production is a well established fact.  You can check your own sources to confirm it.
Yes I've confirmed that again, you have no idea what you're talking about and cherry picking your posts with a confirmation bias against green energy. Nothing new sir!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/418078/electricity-prices-for-households-in-germany/
Germany is one of the most expensive countries worldwide for electricity supply. In 2018, German customers were charged 0.33 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour. Although production is cheap, additional taxes and fees increase the final cost.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-power-retail/german-household-electricity-prices-fall-2-year-on-year-but-still-near-record-highs-verivox-idUKKBN29C1XC
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - German households are paying 2% less for electricity than a year ago, power prices portal Verivox said on Thursday, citing lower renewable support fees and temporary tax cuts while noting the level remains close to all-time records.
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« Reply #10802 on: June 01, 2021, 01:57:16 pm »

Alan, as usual you're generalizing and cherry-picking in order to advance your ideology.  Comparisons between US and German electricity bills are complex. 
Yup, just minutes ago we got to see him do this again.
Alan doesn't do complex well. Or even simple! He's struggling just figuring out how to back up his computer, so how can a discussion of US and German electricity bills be anything but yet another generalization and assumption from him? Ignoring complexity and facts, zeroing in on an agenda (like being anti green energy in this example) is all he can focus on.
"While intelligent people can often simplify the complex, a fool is more likely to complicate the simple."  -Gerald W. Grumet
Sad thing is, the guy doesn't seem to notice or care that nearly everyone here finds his ideas so foolish.  :'(
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« Reply #10803 on: June 01, 2021, 02:00:38 pm »

Who cares what the reason is?

It's really easy to rationalize any viewpoint when you adopt the attitude of—"Who cares what the reason is?"
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« Reply #10804 on: June 01, 2021, 02:02:48 pm »

It's really easy to rationalize any viewpoint when you adopt the attitude of—"Who cares what the reason is?"
Or in this case, substitute "reason" with facts, science, data, truth, logic....
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« Reply #10805 on: June 01, 2021, 02:50:35 pm »

Here's a Google search link that will list article after article where Germany's high cost for electricity is due to their use of green energy.  Cherry pick at your peril.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=why+is+german+electricity+expensive&cvid=62f3b3434de440aaa9b4de5d74b87c8d&aqs=edge..69i57j0.5030j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531
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« Reply #10806 on: June 01, 2021, 02:56:44 pm »

It's really easy to rationalize any viewpoint when you adopt the attitude of—"Who cares what the reason is?"
Britain's parliament decided not to pay for health care for their ex-pats living aboard.  They could have continued to pay for it.  Why is the reason important?  Just because they pulled out of the EU, they still could have continued it.  Meanwhile, ex-pats are screwed by their government.  Proves my case.   You can't trust government for your health or anything else for that matter.  You never know when they're going to stick it to you.  Are you counting on your Social Security?  Hmmm.  Good luck.

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« Reply #10807 on: June 01, 2021, 03:10:41 pm »

Here's a Google search link that will list article after article where Germany's high cost for electricity is due to their use of green energy.  Cherry pick at your peril.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=why+is+german+electricity+expensive&cvid=62f3b3434de440aaa9b4de5d74b87c8d&aqs=edge..69i57j0.5030j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531
Thanks again for showing us you did a search and didn't read anything or did and didn't understand what came up as I did. Or see that the first entry was 4 years old unlike the one(s) I provided: citing lower renewable support fees and temporary tax cuts. 
Do you really want to be embarrassed again by posting stuff here you didn't read or understand?
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« Reply #10808 on: June 01, 2021, 03:22:30 pm »

Thanks again for showing us you did a search and didn't read anything or did and didn't understand what came up as I did. Or see that the first entry was 4 years old unlike the one(s) I provided: citing lower renewable support fees and temporary tax cuts. 
Do you really want to be embarrassed again by posting stuff here you didn't read or understand?
You're the one refusing to admit you're wrong. Why are you having such trouble understanding that Germany's move to green has caused electric prices there to be 2 1/2 times as much as America's and highest in Europe period?  Your bias for green doesn't allow you to see issues with it.

Your claim that so much of the cost only has to do with support fees and taxes goes right to the heart of it's overall expense.  Those fees and taxes are paying for the transition to green.  Of course, since you favor the transition of America to green, you refuse to consider the huge costs involved if we or any other country follows Germany's path.

Quote: Over 50 percent of residential electricity bills in Germany are made up of taxes and fees, most of which support the transition away from coal, natural gas, and nuclear power through subsidies and mandates, which makes Germany’s electricity 43 percent more expensive than the average across the 27-nation European Union, which is expensive generally. (2)   
https://principia-scientific.com/germanys-misguided-energy-program/

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« Reply #10809 on: June 01, 2021, 03:28:28 pm »

You're the one refusing to admit you're wrong.
Nope, I did so just the other day. In this forum post.
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Why are you having such trouble understanding that Germany's move to green has caused electric prices there to be 2 1/2 times as much as America's and highest in Europe period?
Straw man again. NO one here has said Germany's electric prices are NOT more than Americas. You state a simplistic reason in total which has already been shown to be simplistically wrong. Like you did when discussing doctors and medicare. Which you then decided to ignore. You're the one refusing to admit you're wrong about these doctors. 
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Your claim that so much of the cost only has to do with support fees and taxes goes right to the heart of it's overall expense.
I made no such claim. That's another of your assumptions.
You also of course failed to examine other facts provided to you, about the costs of NOT going to renewable energy. Because if you paid attention, you'd see your overall simplistic assumptions are not valid. But then thus far, there is only one person here who believes what you state; you.
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Of course, since you favor the transition of America to green, you refuse to consider the huge costs involved if we or any other country follows Germany's path.
Of course, since you do not favor the transition of America to green, you refuse to consider the huge costs involved if we do NOT follows Germany's path.
In the URL you provided, did you even think to examine the cost mentioned for Fukushima? Of course you didn't!

The government says Fukushima's decommissioning cost is estimated at 8 trillion yen ($73 billion), though adding compensation, decontamination of surrounding areas and medium-term storage facilities would bring the total to an estimated 22 trillion yen ($200 billion).

I understand this topic is too complex for you to wrap your head around; that's been proven over and over again.
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« Reply #10810 on: June 01, 2021, 03:36:53 pm »

Nope, I did so just the other day. In this forum post. Straw man again. NO one here has said Germany's electric prices are NOT more than Americas. You state a simplistic reason in total which has already been shown to be simplistically wrong. Like you did when discussing doctors and medicare. Which you then decided to ignore.   I made no such claim. That's another of your assumptions.
You also of course failed to examine other facts provided to you, about the costs of NOT going to renewable energy. Because if you paid attention, you'd see your overall simplistic assumptions are not valid. But then thus far, there is only one person here who believes what you state; you. Of course, since you do not favor the transition of America to green, you refuse to consider the huge costs involved if we do NOT follows Germany's path.
In the URL you provided, did you even think to examine the cost mentioned for Fukushima? Of course you didn't!

The government says Fukushima's decommissioning cost is estimated at 8 trillion yen ($73 billion), though adding compensation, decontamination of surrounding areas and medium-term storage facilities would bring the total to an estimated 22 trillion yen ($200 billion).

I understand this topic is too complex for you to wrap your head around; that's been proven over and over again.
So Fukushima's nuclear disaster in Japan is the cause for Germany's high cost for electricity.  What an amazing deflection.  Again you avoid the truth.  I'll let others read the articles and make up their own minds. You're just getting sillier and sillier.

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« Reply #10811 on: June 01, 2021, 03:48:36 pm »

So Fukushima's nuclear disaster in Japan is the cause for Germany's high cost for electricity. 
What a stupid statement/question. Where did I say that? I didn't. What again is your native language Alan?
You are entitled to have an opinion. I am just letting you know that it is stupid.

Clearly you have proven again you didn't read the article you posted here to prove (actually disprove) your point. Read it. Slowly. Fukushima's nuclear disaster is mentioned. You now know the costs for that which you can't seem to factor. And no, there may not be earthquake fault lines but Germany has justification to move away from this old form of energy generation: the worst nuclear accident in history took place at the Chernobyl nuclear power station in Ukraine. The disaster was caused by uncontrolled overheating of the reactor, not an earthquake. The cost? The initial emergency response, together with later decontamination of the environment, ultimately involved more than 500,000 personnel and cost an estimated 18 billion Soviet rubles—roughly US$68 billion in 2019, adjusted for inflation

So you complain about green, safe renewable energy and your short sighted view on cost is really stupid if you just look at Japan and Ukraine. Plus those who died.

Alan, you're OK if there is an old nuclear power station in your neighborhood? Even if the cost of electricity is lower?
Yes or No is all that is necessary.

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I'll let others read the articles and make up their own minds.
Who here posting hasn't made up their mind that you're not utterly lost? Name one.
Who here has posted that you're utterly lost (too many to mention).

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« Reply #10812 on: June 01, 2021, 04:14:52 pm »

As we hop down the rabbit holes of one low-traffic conspiracy-promoting pseudoscience website like Climate Change Dispatch to another, like the impressive sounding Principia Scientific, it's worth examining how their ecosystem works, and sometimes spills over into widely viewed news sources such as Fox. Here's the recipe...

Start with a misrepresentation of sources; add a dash of imprecise language; mix throughly; then spread generously across unreliable news sites, blogs, and social media accounts which will repeat and amplify the claims, and often add unique distortions of their own.

Here's an example...

https://climatefeedback.org/false-claims-coming-ice-age-ecosystem-unreliable-news-sites-blogs-social-media-accounts

Recently, a claim that we are heading towards a mini ice age has been popping up across the web. This was the subject of a widely discussed Metro article titled “A mini ice age could be on the way which means it will get very, very cold”. Similar claims that we would be heading towards an imminent “mini ice age” were also repeated without verification throughout a network of unreliable outlets for climate news including Sputnik, The Sun, Fox News, and numerous hyper-partisan blogs such as Zero Hedge, Principia Scientific, IceAgeNow, Alien-Star… (listed in the table below).

The stories claim to be based on a September 27th article at Space Weather Archive, in which NASA scientist Martin Mlynczak discusses the influence of current low solar activity on the Earth’s thermosphere—a layer of the atmosphere that begins about 65 miles above the surface. Mlynczak explained to Climate Feedback that headline claims of coming cold weather are "false": "There is no relationship between the natural cycle of cooling and warming in the thermosphere and the weather/climate at Earth’s surface. NASA and other climate researchers continue to see a warming trend in the troposphere, the layer of atmosphere closest to Earth’s surface."
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« Reply #10813 on: June 01, 2021, 04:39:16 pm »

Why is the reason important?

As it was explained to me as a child in school, examining the reason or reasons, for why something occurs, allows for a more complete understanding of the background, context, and nature of whatever is being examined and discussed.
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« Reply #10814 on: June 01, 2021, 06:14:04 pm »

Here's a Google search link that will list article after article where Germany's high cost for electricity is due to their use of green energy.  Cherry pick at your peril.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=why+is+german+electricity+expensive&cvid=62f3b3434de440aaa9b4de5d74b87c8d&aqs=edge..69i57j0.5030j0j1&pglt=43&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

SO WHAT? Figure in the incidental costs of coal, wood pellets, natural gas, oil, nuclear, etc -- costs that are not carried directly by the consumer but by society at large -- and the costs of conventional energy would be much higher. And then figure in the current and future costs of climate change due to fossil fuel use and the overall costs of conventional energy would be even higher. Germany is thinking to the future rather than fretting about every monthly utility bill.
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« Reply #10815 on: June 01, 2021, 06:19:32 pm »

Britain's parliament decided not to pay for health care for their ex-pats living aboard.  They could have continued to pay for it.  Why is the reason important?  Just because they pulled out of the EU, they still could have continued it.  Meanwhile, ex-pats are screwed by their government.  Proves my case.   You can't trust government for your health or anything else for that matter.  You never know when they're going to stick it to you.  Are you counting on your Social Security?  Hmmm.  Good luck.

By the way, there was nothing stopping the British parliament from continuing health insurance for ex-pats after they left the EU.  Or, they could have provided a rebate to ex-pats who aren't using the British health system so they could have money for private health care insurance. After all, those Brits paid into the system all their lives.  But the British parliament in their wisdom or cheapness or lack of caring didn't feel they wanted to do that.  That's what happens when you depend on government.

Again, factually so far off base coupled with an opinion predicated on bollocks.

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« Reply #10816 on: June 01, 2021, 06:31:39 pm »

When you repeatedly come on here saying stupid bullshit …  then I'm going to call you on it. Believe whatever you want, but stop peddling crap about things that you don't know anything about.

540 pages and counting says that there’s little likelihood of that ever happening.
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« Reply #10817 on: June 01, 2021, 06:34:53 pm »

540 pages and counting says that there’s little likelihood of that ever happening.
Now let's be fair; Alan is “only” responsible for 512 pages of stupid BS. 😜
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« Reply #10818 on: June 01, 2021, 06:35:28 pm »

SO WHAT? Figure in the incidental costs of coal, wood pellets, natural gas, oil, nuclear, etc -- costs that are not carried directly by the consumer but by society at large -- and the costs of conventional energy would be much higher. And then figure in the current and future costs of climate change due to fossil fuel use and the overall costs of conventional energy would be even higher. Germany is thinking to the future rather than fretting about every monthly utility bill.
Your monthly electric bill will increase 2 1/2 times.   Nothing to fret about.

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« Reply #10819 on: June 01, 2021, 06:38:57 pm »

Again, factually so far off base coupled with an opinion predicated on bollocks.

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You didn't explain why parliament couldn't continue health care for ex-pats or provide a rebate for not using British health care and reducing government cost.
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