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« Reply #4480 on: December 18, 2020, 11:59:11 am »

Well then, I would recommend learning when not to take me seriously.  A little piece of advice, about 40% of what I write here is not meant to be serious. 

But anyway, back to being serious, just saw the 7 day average daily of new C-19 cases in CA (lockdown heavy) is 90.5 whereas in TX (lockdown lite) is 42.  Those heavy lockdowns sure are working like a charm. 

Who would have thought that taking away all outdoor activities and forcing people to stay home indoors without socially distancing breathing recycled air would increase the spread of a decease that almost only spreads indoors?  Strange. 

New Yawkers are doing what New Yawkers do, snow or Covid.



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« Reply #4481 on: December 18, 2020, 01:10:05 pm »

I hate to interrupt this fascinating discussion about whether you are discussing the deficit or the national debt, but I was wondering whether there is anything else newsworthy. I looked through my newsfeed and the only thing that got my eyebrows up was that some advertiser, which I cannot remember, and therefore could probably use the advertising (wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Prevagen), had pulled its advertising from the Tucker Carlson hour because old Tucker boy opined that Jill Biden was illiterate, or maybe it was practically illiterate, which is probably not unlike other media pundits calling Melania vapid, except that Jill Biden has a Ed.D. and Melania has, well, modeling experience, and for some reason, perhaps surgical, always squints like she is peering into the Bat Signal from close range. 

Speaking of Jill Biden's Ed.D., last week, or maybe it was earlier this week, someone opined somewhere, perhaps the WSJ, that Dr. Jill should drop the Dr. from her name because she had an Ed.D., not an M.D., and was undeserving of the title. Well, that got everyone's hackles up who are even slightly left of center, along with all the people right of center who happened to have an Ed.D., and some even called it misogynic, which seemed a stretch, since guys get Ed.D.s too, and this particular pundit probably would have called out the president if he had an Ed.D. and wanted to be called Dr. President.  It did not escape the pundit's notice that Dr. Jill, or, if you prefer, Jill, teaches English at a community college, which is not exactly at the height of academe. It is unclear whether she teaches English, as in the language, or that she teaches English literature. After all, they do teach remedial English at community colleges. For some students it is required. Anyway, he also noted that she had received her Ed.D. from the University of Delaware, which happens to have a business school, or maybe it is a public policy school, named after her husband. Personally, I agree with the pundit on the issue, though not how he, shall we say, articulated it. So anyway, a lot of people were talking about it and generally feeling superior whether they had graduated from high school or not. It got me thinking maybe we should have an honorific for someone with a GED. It always hurts to be left out of the title game.

So a day or so ago, another pundit, who happens to have a B.A. Phi Beta Kappa from Yale, decided to double-down in a follow-up opinion piece, also, I think, appearing in the WSJ. Now, as we have learned from Aunt Becky, a lot of undeserving students get into top colleges if their parents generously support higher education, or they pay someone to take their SATs, so just this guy graduating for Yale doesn't mean he is a genius, but he is probably pretty bright because they don't give out Phi Beta Kappa keys to students at the bottom of the class, not that his subsequent career trajectory has him in the running for a MacArthur fellowship. So let's just call him Smarty Pants, and everyone can decide for themselves what credentials he holds for that appellation. Anyway, Smarty Pants, in the crudest possible description, rips Dr. Jill a new asshole, comparing her Ed.D. dissertation to a third grade social studies report without the magazine clippings. And he didn't do it quickly and painlessly; he really took his time and explored the subject in depth, probing every possible aspect of her intellectual deficiencies with surgical precision. My response was just wow. Wow. If he turned his talents to giving old Melania the once over, you probably couldn't have printed it anywhere you would admit to having read it. But I guess that is why politics is called a blood sport, and this guy is a gladiator. Shock and awe boys, shock and awe.

With these two opinion pieces floating around, old Tucker weighs in and attempts to one up Smarty Pants, but he didn't have the gravitas, or frankly the grammar and vocabulary, to even come close. I mean it was so obvious that he is not Phi Beta Kappa material it was embarrassing. But a lot of guys like him aren't embarrassed when embarrassing themselves, which of course is why they have opinion shows on Fox News. But, still, they do not embarrass themselves badly enough, at least consistently enough, to qualify for Newsmax, so they have room for improvement.

Just to round this out, I think the debt and the deficit are too high, but maybe I'm just jealous that the government has a higher credit limit on its credit cards than I do, and the collection agencies aren't calling it up at all hours of the day or night threatening to take their first born.

I haven't watched any news today but a friend sent me this intriguing item, https://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/parents-lose-lawsuit-destruction-sons-porn-stash-74799119. I wondered who his legal team was, I bet it was better than Trump's.  ;)
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« Reply #4482 on: December 18, 2020, 01:16:51 pm »

Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood are hanging in there. Apparently, they've got their kraken lawsuits all on appeal to the Supreme Court, which the justices are sort of hoping get lost in all the paperwork. So the Krakettes were sitting around brainstorming while they were waiting and decided to send some tweets to His Majesty, and implored him to use his executive power to impound all the voting machines. Not sure he has the executive power to impound state voting machines, but I defer to you constitutional scholars out there on that. It just seems to me if he has no legal authority to do anything related to the pandemic, and has to leave everything to the governors, impounding state voting machines may be off the table too. Besides, where's he going to put them. He would have to redirect money from the Wall which he redirected from the Pentagon to build some big, beautiful warehouses. And it would take ASOG years if not decades to "forensically examine" all the machines because they only have about five guys on staff and they have no idea what they are doing. On the other hand, it would give old Kayleigh McEnany some work to do churning out affidavits while she is looking for a new job. But anyway, this has given Trump supporters a new reason to live, which is certainly better than the alternative, at least to them.

https://www.newsweek.com/lin-wood-sidney-powell-trump-impound-voting-machines-1555838
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« Reply #4483 on: December 18, 2020, 01:34:02 pm »

Sidney Powell and L. Lin Wood are hanging in there. Apparently, they've got their kraken lawsuits all on appeal to the Supreme Court, which the justices are sort of hoping get lost in all the paperwork. So the Krakettes were sitting around brainstorming while they were waiting and decided to send some tweets to His Majesty, and implored him to use his executive power to impound all the voting machines. Not sure he has the executive power to impound state voting machines, but I defer to you constitutional scholars out there on that. It just seems to me if he has no legal authority to do anything related to the pandemic, and has to leave everything to the states, impounding state voting machines may be off the table too. Besides, where's he going to put them. He would have to redirect money from the Wall which he redirected from the Pentagon to build some big, beautiful warehouses. Besides, it would take ASOG years if not decades to "forensically examine" all the machines because they only have about five guys on staff and they have no idea what they are doing. On the other hand, it would give old Kayleigh McEnany some work to do churning out affidavits while she is looking for a new job. But anyway, this has given Trump supporters a new reason to live, which is certainly better than the alternative, at least to them.

https://www.newsweek.com/lin-wood-sidney-powell-trump-impound-voting-machines-1555838

Did they use those machines in any of the states that Trump won?
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« Reply #4484 on: December 18, 2020, 01:39:47 pm »

Did they use those machines in any of the states that Trump won?

Yes, and within a state they used them in counties Trump won and in counties Biden won. Obviously, the machines were rigged only in the states and counties Biden won. That's proof of the conspiracy.
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« Reply #4485 on: December 18, 2020, 01:54:59 pm »

New Yawkers are doing what New Yawkers do, snow or Covid.

Yeah, you guys are nuts.  You need wool blankets and fondue if you insist on eating outside during the winter, and a nice view of Lake Zurich.  One of the most comfortable meals I've ever had. 

But anyway, last week only a little over 100 restaurants were refusing to follow the orders from Sturmmann Wolf to stop indoor dining.  We are now at over 360 restaurants doing indoor dining against orders. 
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4486 on: December 18, 2020, 01:58:16 pm »

So in San Diego a couple of strip clubs filed suit claiming the requirement that they shut down in the latest shut down order wasn't enforceable because it wasn't based on any science that demonstrated that strip clubs spread COVID. At least I think that is what they said. It could have been something different, but let's just go with that. So the judge said he was going to expand the scope of the suit to include restaurants, and then ruled that neither strip clubs nor restaurants had to close. Apparently, in the strip club, strippers were stationed 15 feet away from customers and other strippers, and the strippers wore masks, which probably means they just rearranged their outfits, assuming they had outfits. If I went to a strip club, I would be more worried about all the other stuff I might catch than COVID. Governor Newsome of French Laundry fame has appealed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/strip-club-ruling-covid-rules-protects-restaurants-san-diego-judge-says/
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4487 on: December 18, 2020, 02:03:04 pm »

BTW Joe, the BBQ brisket at Terry Blacks in Austin👍
I'm not willing to wait hours for Franklins.

Thanks, I'll have to try it.  Although, I am disappointed that drinking only establishments are closed, not because I want to party, but a TX Wine tasting room that does TX wine samples is closed.  So I guess I'll have to imbibe full glasses.

I'm still trying to find buildings for personal projects and have not even thought of food yet.  In Austin the Federal Court House and Public Library both look pretty neat. 
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4488 on: December 18, 2020, 02:28:14 pm »

I hate to interrupt this fascinating discussion about whether you are discussing the deficit or the national debt, but I was wondering whether there is anything else newsworthy.
The SolarWind Hack is looking to be potentially terrifying. Which is why we haven't heard a word from Trump about it.
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« Reply #4489 on: December 18, 2020, 02:41:54 pm »

BTW Joe, the BBQ brisket at Terry Blacks in Austin👍
I'm not willing to wait hours for Franklins.

HA!  I just had lunch from Franklin's literally an hour ago (someone else waited in line.)    Terry Blacks is damn good too, and we've got several other places that are not as well known but still really good.  The chef at our other world-class restaurant, Uchi, has a joint place with Aaron Franklin called Loro for something completely different. (Asian BBQ smokehouse)
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« Reply #4490 on: December 18, 2020, 02:47:31 pm »

Until a full definition of ”lockdown” news about forgoing and herd immunity:
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Sweden's king said in a new address that the country's strategy to slow the spread of COVID-19 has "failed" as the fatality count in the Scandinavian country continues to rise.

Carl XVI Gustaf told residents of the country in his annual Christmas address that Sweden has suffered "enormously" amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and it is "traumatic" that many loved ones of the nearly 8,000 people who have died from COVID-19 were unable to say goodbye to them in person.

"I think we have failed. We have a large number who have died and that is terrible. It is something we all have to suffer with," the king said in comments that were released on Thursday.

Sweden's top infectious disease expert said late last month that the country has not seen evidence of herd immunity slowing the spread of COVID-19 in the country. 
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« Reply #4491 on: December 18, 2020, 02:55:39 pm »

The SolarWind Hack is looking to be potentially terrifying. Which is why we haven't heard a word from Trump about it.

I don't don't know anything about computers or hacking, and have enough trouble making my Epson printer use the green carte. What I was wondering about all the hacking stuff is, why should anyone be worried about it? When I was in the Army lo these many years go, I ran the base newspaper, but my alternative assignment was as a courier, and to be a courier I had to have a top secret clearance, which I got. So anyway, during various exercises I was taking top secret documents from one place to another, and one thing I couldn't help noticing was that the top secret documents were about as secret as the Easter Bunny. So if these hacks spill all our secrets, so what? So somebody I don't know makes or loses a buck? Should I be concerned? My default position is that cliche, "Information should be free," and while I don't know all the ramifications of information freedom, I can't really feel too concerned about it. I do agree that if we're about to drop 500 paratroopers somewhere, it would be desirable to keep that secret at least until they hit the ground, after which everyone would know anyway. And I'm sure there are dozens of other things that should be kept secret, but we have vast industries that keep things secret and try to steal secrets from other countries. Why is that? Why not spend the money on community colleges so more Ed.Ds would have employment opportunities, and more jobless people could get jobs. It may be that the SolarWind hack is a big deal, but exactly how is going to effect people who are out driving around town looking for a donut?
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« Reply #4492 on: December 18, 2020, 03:05:08 pm »

Why the hack should concern you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/massive-alleged-russian-malware-hack-hits-us-through-solarwinds-what-you-need-to-know/
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« Reply #4493 on: December 18, 2020, 03:26:04 pm »

Why the hack should concern you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/massive-alleged-russian-malware-hack-hits-us-through-solarwinds-what-you-need-to-know/

So I read that -- and I still wonder, so what? Let's take what might be the most serious hack -- that they may have gotten access to nuclear secrets. So Russia, probably the most advanced nuclear country after the US, and maybe even more advanced than the US, got access to documents. Yeah? So what? What secret do we have that they don't? What we do have is a giant "secrecy" industry who's ox has just been gored. It's not like they could use the hack to set the bombs off (or if they could, some US generals need to be shot.)

I suspect what worries people is not that this is a terrible hack, but that some *industrial or manufacturing* techniques may have gotten out, and that somebody won't make the bucks they would have made before whatever product it is, got reverse engineered. But, they hacked Congress? I mean, really? They learned in advance what Nancy Pelosi was going to have for lunch?

I hate to by cynical (though I am) but I suspect that the several things going on here, that cause the commotion are (1) a few bucks are going to be lost by people I don't care about and by some companies that I would probably actively dislike if I even knew about them; (2) Some Important People are going to be embarrassed, which would rank about 39,422 on my list of most serious concerns; (3) This is a big opportunity for some companies to make large bucks by displacing Solar Winds; (4) This is an opportunity for people who don't like Russia to whack Russia, and for people ho do like Russia (Trump, McConnell) to celebrate the Motherland's technical expertise.

Seriously, Andrew, and I am somewhat serious about this, suppose you had the ability to hack the CIA and you did, and you managed to download, say, oh, a billion documents...what would you do with them? How would you even read them? How would you even sort them out? If you managed to download every document held by Boeing, what would you do with them? Start an airplane company? With whose money?

I don't know; I'm going to take some convincing that I should move Solar Winds from my present concern position of 12,314 to any higher position.
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« Reply #4494 on: December 18, 2020, 03:33:37 pm »

I hate to by cynical (though I am) but I suspect that the several things going on here, that cause the commotion are (1) a few bucks are going to be lost by people I don't care about and by some companies that I would probably actively dislike if I even knew about them; (2) Some Important People are going to be embarrassed, which would rank about 39,422 on my list of most serious concerns; (3) This is a big opportunity for some companies to make large bucks by displacing Solar Winds; (4) This is an opportunity for people who don't like Russia to whack Russia, and for people ho do like Russia (Trump, McConnell) to celebrate the Motherland's technical expertise.

The good news is that LifeLock will probably make a new commercial. The one they have been running for the past who knows how long is getting old. It looks too much like the trailer for Get Smart, which wasn't exactly a box office hit. The bad news is that all the anti-virus software companies are going to be spamming your inbox with end of days warnings until there is, in fact, no tomorrow.
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« Reply #4495 on: December 18, 2020, 03:34:16 pm »

So I read that -- and I still wonder, so what?
Time will tell how bad this is or hopefully isn't.
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that they may have gotten access to nuclear secrets
Not too good.
So what if they get into the grid, or control of dams, or....
It's a big friggin hack, that's been going on quite awhile.
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I don't know; I'm going to take some convincing that I should move Solar Winds from my present concern position of 12,314 to any higher position.
What I wrote was this: The SolarWind Hack is looking to be potentially terrifying.
This is what CISA wrote:
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"CISA has determined that this threat poses a grave risk to the Federal Government and state, local, tribal, and territorial governments as well as critical infrastructure entities and other private sector organizations," the alert issued by the agency said. "CISA expects that removing this threat actor from compromised environments will be highly complex and challenging for organizations."
So on top of a pandemic, economic issues, a president who's MIA, this isn't great news (and that was the subject, what's new in the news).
I'd far rather hear, it is nothing. What I've heard thus far isn't that as outlined above.  :'(
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« Reply #4496 on: December 18, 2020, 03:55:00 pm »

“It’s not complex at all.”

Legal opinions are regularly described in simpler terms, as is often the case during news reports for example.

Legal opinions can certainly be summarized in simpler terms. That can be done accurately, as is the case with professional journalists or inaccurately, as is frequently the case with online comments like yours or junk news and conspiracy sites. Superficial reading, shallow understanding, and faulty reasoning lead to false and misleading comments like the ones that you made.   

https://webcache.google:https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/wisconsin-supreme-court-leaves-voters-decide-confined-status

The Wisconsin Supreme court just yesterday said votes were likely case [cast] illegally.

Simply false.

The law says indefinitely confined does not include being afraid of Covid.

The law does not say that nor did the Wisconsin Supreme Court in its opinion or conclusions. The Court said that such an application cannot be based solely upon the existence of the current pandemic or on stay at home orders as they may affect the population as a whole. It may, however, be based on how Covid affects their personal circumstances as they differ from the general population.

The Covid pandemic can clearly be included as a factor in choosing to apply for an indefinitely confined absentee ballot when considered with the voter's age or medical condition; as their personal combination of circumstances differ relative to the population as a whole. The determination rests solely with the individual voter based on their current personal circumstances.

Understanding that requires a more conscientious effort and careful reading of the language used by the Court than you appear to be willing and/or able to engage in, as evidenced by your faulty assertions. Although it doesn't fit well within your suspicions of "illegal votes" and "fraud", it is not surprising that during the Covid pandemic there was a substantial increase of voters, who due to their age or current medical conditions—such as compromised immune systems or chronic conditions—determined themselves to be indefinitely confined and chose to apply for that type of ballot to which they are legally entitled.

With that, I'm done with this topic as: suspicions are not evidence; it has likely become boring to others, as it has to myself; the issue has already been settled in court and is now moot; and no amount of additional beating will bring a dead horse back to life. You can continue to indulge in your tempest in a teapot suspicions, unbecoming juvenile insults, and congratulate yourself—but I'm done.
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« Reply #4497 on: December 18, 2020, 04:05:12 pm »

The SolarWind Hack is looking to be potentially terrifying.

So I think Papa Don was retweeting some tweets for [insert your favorite right wing conspiracy theorist here; if none, Paul Sperry will do] pointing out that Dominion voting machines use SolarWinds software, which would explain how China and Iran were able to swing the election for Biden. I can't evaluate that because I don't have any idea what SolarWinds and its software, if it actually writes software, do and for whom, if anyone. Sounds like a solar panel or windmill franchise. I think I may have seen one of their vans when I was out and about the other day. I guess I have some background reading to do.

Update:

So I perused their website and it says they are in the IT management business. I read all about what they can do for their customers, and still have no idea what they are talking about. You probably have to have a Certificate from ITT Technical Institute to understand it, and increasing your student debt load in a pandemic is probably not wise, even though Ivanka says that we should all be exploring different career paths in these dark days, so I'll just figure it has something to do with the internet and call it a day.

Updated Update:

So I have been reading some more about this hacking, and the thing I can't understand is how China could be stealing our technology and intellectual property. I thought Trump fixed that with tariffs? Do we need to slap some tariffs on all the stuff we buy from Russia, like those nesting dolls, to stop Russia from doing the same thing?
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« Reply #4498 on: December 18, 2020, 04:20:14 pm »

Time will tell how bad this is or hopefully isn't. Not too good.
So what if they get into the grid, or control of dams, or....
It's a big friggin hack, that's been going on quite awhile. What I wrote was this: The SolarWind Hack is looking to be potentially terrifying.
This is what CISA wrote:"CISA has determined that this threat poses a grave risk to the Federal Government and state, local, tribal, and territorial governments as well as critical infrastructure entities and other private sector organizations. CISA expects that removing this threat actor from compromised environments will be highly complex and challenging for organizations." So on top of a pandemic, economic issues, a president who's MIA, this isn't great news (and that was the subject, what's new in the news).
I'd far rather hear, it is nothing. What I've heard thus far isn't that as outlined above.  :'(

I inserted the CISA quote from Andrew's original post, which wasn't copied when I quoted his post.

Andrew, you may very well be right, and this is a potentially terrifying problem. I don't know enough about computers and networking to argue about that. What I know is, after covering state and local governments in Florida and Minnesota for years upon years, I pity the poor asshole who has to page through anything they downloaded from those sources. Honestly, there are secrets at those governmental levels -- secrets that are being withheld from the voters (like the numbers of Covid infected in Florida.) The people withholding those secrets could really give a rat's ass if Russia learns them, because Russians don't vote here. (Usually -- they may have in 2016.) The only secrets I ever saw at those governmental levels involved mis- mal- and non-feasance by governmental officials. Seriously, look at that CISA list, and -- you live in Santa Fa, I think -- imagine what critical secrets the Russians could have extracted from the Taos Pueblo, or the Jicarilla Apache Nation.     
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« Reply #4499 on: December 18, 2020, 04:20:51 pm »

More new news: we are rounding the corner (again) on Covid-19. Fake news:
Vice-President Mike Pence appeared before the cameras today to get his vaccine dose. Then he announced, “As President Trump often says, we are rounding the corner.”

Kinda news:Anyone see Chris Christie’s PSA?
https://mobile.twitter.com/GovChristie/status/1339339901704302592
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