Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Craig Lamson]

No you did about my stance on the debt which was as expected utterly wrong.
If you are not a Republican, you can go on record and tell us.
In terms of the National Debt; I provide facts as to the President and his party that has a good track record.

I made no comment on your stance on the the national debt.    I’ve voted for democrats, republicans and independents for all offices including the President including one guy twice who is not a republican but running within the Republican Party.

I’ve been equally critical of lawmakers of both parties.

I currently find many of the Republican stance on issues more to my liking than Democrats, and given the trajectory of the Democratic Party I suspect I will be hard pressed to find much common ground with them going forward.  That said I’m am also quite unhappy with many of the current crop of Republicans and see some value in the positions of guys like Rand Paul.

[Craig Lamson]

No you did about my stance on the debt which was as expected utterly wrong.
If you are not a Republican, you can go on record and tell us.
In terms of the National Debt; I provide facts as to the President and his party that has a good track record.

Debt or Deficit?

[digitaldog]

This isn't going well:

Pfizer Says It Has Millions Of Vaccine Doses ‘Sitting In Our Warehouse’ But Hasn’t Been Told Where To Send Them
In a press release issued Thursday, Pfizer said that the company has millions of doses of its Covid-19 vaccines sitting in warehouses that have not been delivered because the company has not received shipping instructions from the Federal Government.
The company also said that it hasn’t experienced any production issues or shipping delays in regards to its vaccine.

The statement comes in the wake of several public comments from Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who told reporters this week that Pfizer was experiencing “manufacturing challenges” and “hiccups.”

Azar like his boss lied.
Like I've said; January 20th can't get here soon enough.

[digitaldog]

Debt or Deficit?

You have this odd habit of asking questions of others, when your posting history and agenda show/prove, you have no desire or ability to accept any answer. No need to ask.  Too bad this too will not sink in:
Imate tu neobičnu naviku postavljati pitanja drugima, kada vaša povijest objavljivanja i dnevni red pokazuju / dokazuju, nemate želju ili mogućnost prihvatiti bilo kakav odgovor. Ne treba pitati.

[Craig Lamson]

You have this odd habit of asking questions of others, when your posting history and agenda show/prove, you have no desire or ability to accept any answer. No need to ask.  Too bad this too will not sink in:
Imate tu neobičnu naviku postavljati pitanja drugima, kada vaša povijest objavljivanja i dnevni red pokazuju / dokazuju, nemate želju ili mogućnost prihvatiti bilo kakav odgovor. Ne treba pitati.

It’s a fair question, which it seems you don’t want to answer.  I wonder why?

[chez]

Why are you bringing up Trump? I never mentioned him not did anyone else.  You're obsessed.

No, but you mentioned government and caring about the pandemic and economy so Trump fits right into that picture...and my view that Trump does not give a rat's ass about the people dying from Covid...never has, not at all right now...and never will.

[digitaldog]

It’s a fair question, which it seems you don’t want to answer.  I wonder why?

CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time).
Don't wonder any longer.

[Craig Lamson]

CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time).
Don't wonder any longer.

Well let’s review.  You started out with a meme showing the yearly deficit.  Then you switched to talking about national debt.

It’s fair to ask which one you are really talking about.

[digitaldog]

Poll: Americans care a lot more about Covid-19 relief than the national debt right now
Americans prioritize economic relief over reining in the debt. When asked about the need to prioritize Covid-19 relief versus reining in America’s national debt, there’s no contest: People are a lot more focused on relief right now, according to a new poll from Vox and Data for Progress.
Seventy-four percent of likely voters surveyed December 11 to 13 say that passing new coronavirus relief is more important than getting the national debt under control, while 21 percent say the opposite. Even among Republicans, 65 percent of those polled said relief was more important than concerns about the national debt, while 31 percent disagreed.

[digitaldog]

Well let’s review.  You started out with a meme showing the yearly deficit.  Then you switched to talking about national debt.

It’s fair to ask which one you are really talking about.

If it isn't too confusing for you: Both.
Maybe I need to slow down for you, you seem to be having problems keeping up.
Keep your eye on the ball, and the words (the topic here has been about money for Covid that lead to debt and a Trump tax break:

Wow more National Debt.  But didn’t you just say we need to spread the money around?  Yes you did.

More National Debt indeed.

I’m no billionaire but I found the Trump  tax cuts to be quite helpful.  Ymmv

Trump  tax cuts indeed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/amp/
Trump’s Wasteful Tax Cuts Lead To Continued Trillion Dollar Deficits In Expanding Economy

Pay attention of move on. 

[Craig Lamson]

If it isn't too confusing for you: Both.
Maybe I need to slow down for you, you seem to be having problems keeping up.
Keep your eye on the ball, and the words (the topic here has been about money for Covid that lead to debt and a Trump tax break:Pay attention of move on. 

Quit trying to cover your sorry azz. You went off the rails and you know it.

[digitaldog]

Quit trying to cover your sorry azz. You went off the rails and you know it.

Ah no, you did. I don't expect you to read your own ramblings when so many others here don't take them seriously.
Classic Trump defense too. What you really mean, what really happened is, you are trying to cover your behind and are off the rails. The paper trail outlined show this in black and white.  I again don't expect that to punctuate your unreality bubble.   
Once again, my predictions come true: CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time).
Arms to short (hands to small) to box with dog. 

[Craig Lamson]

Ah no, you did. I don't expect you to read your own ramblings when so many others here don't take them seriously.
Classic Trump defense too. What you really mean, what really happened is, you are trying to cover your behind and are off the rails. The paper trail outlined show this in black and white.  I again don't expect that to punctuate your unreality bubble.   
Once again, my predictions come true: CWOBaT (colossal waste of bandwidth and time).
Arms to short (hands to small) to box with dog. 

My post made perfect sense, you just failed to understand and off the rails you went.  So yes your meme showed yearly DEFICIT.  You made that claim. 

I correctly stated that the additional deficit from Trump added to the national Debt.

Then you jumped the shark.

You started talking about facts and the National Debt, but you never offered any.  All you ever offered were deficit numbers.

So why not offer National DEBT numbers by President and THEN you will be actually doing what you claim to be doing but are not.

[Ray]

What's amazing, and perhaps rather disturbing, is the sheer size of the USA debt. The following article goes into great detail.

https://www.justfacts.com/nationaldebt.asp#:~:text=*%20The%20U.S.%20Treasury's%20official%20figure,%E2%80%94or%20more%20precisely%E2%80%94%2427%2C406%2C075%2C682%2C381

"The U.S. Treasury’s official figure for the debt of the federal government on December 1, 2020 is $27.4 trillion—or more precisely—$27,406,075,682,381. This amounts to:

$82,884 for every person living in the U.S.

$213,358 for every household in the U.S.

131% of annual U.S. economic output.

7.5 times annual federal revenues.

70% more than the combined consumer debt of every household in the U.S."

However, something similar has happened before. In terms of 'percentage of GDP' the current US debt is not much more than the previous record set at the end of World War II, and the economy bounced back quite impressively after 1946, didn't it? So perhaps there's no need to worry too much. 

"In May 2020, the national debt reached 120% of the nation’s annual economic output, breaking a record set in 1946 for the highest level in U.S. history. The previous high of 118% stemmed from World War II, the deadliest and most widespread conflict in world history."

[digitaldog]

My post made perfect sense, you just failed to understand and off the rails you went.

More evidence of a confused poster, someone not able to follow two different topics about money/debt/deficit only minutes apart. Between you, Alan and the popup Frans, thankfully Joe is here to make the 'debate' at least intellectually interesting. 
When you do the boat waxing, maybe you should consider pure Carnauba. Maybe the Petroleum distillates in your brand is affecting memory function. 🤮

[LesPalenik]

What's amazing, and perhaps rather disturbing, is the sheer size of the USA debt. The following article goes into great detail.

https://www.justfacts.com/nationaldebt.asp#:~:text=*%20The%20U.S.%20Treasury's%20official%20figure,%E2%80%94or%20more%20precisely%E2%80%94%2427%2C406%2C075%2C682%2C381

"The U.S. Treasury’s official figure for the debt of the federal government on December 1, 2020 is $27.4 trillion—or more precisely—$27,406,075,682,381. This amounts to:

$82,884 for every person living in the U.S.

$213,358 for every household in the U.S.

131% of annual U.S. economic output.

7.5 times annual federal revenues.

70% more than the combined consumer debt of every household in the U.S."

However, something similar has happened before. In terms of 'percentage of GDP' the current US debt is not much more than the previous record set at the end of World War II, and the economy bounced back quite impressively after 1946, didn't it? So perhaps there's no need to worry too much. 

"In May 2020, the national debt reached 120% of the nation’s annual economic output, breaking a record set in 1946 for the highest level in U.S. history. The previous high of 118% stemmed from World War II, the deadliest and most widespread conflict in world history."

The size of the US debt is indeed alarming.
One difference between 1946 and 2020 is that after WW2, USA had highly developed manufacturing industry and was uniquely positioned to export easily its highly sought manufactured goods to other parts of the world. By now, the other countries caught up and even overtook USA in the education, science and manufacturing, and USA is falling further and further behind.

[Ray]

One difference between 1946 and 2020 is that after WW2, USA had highly developed manufacturing industry and was uniquely positioned to export easily its highly sought manufactured goods to other parts of the world. By now, the other countries caught up and even overtook USA in the education, science and manufacturing, and USA is falling further and further.hind.

Good point. Maybe the US under the Biden Presidency can become a world leader in renewable energy through research and development of solar panels, Electric Vehicles, and alternatives to the Lithium used in current batteries. Lithium is likely to become a very scarce element in the near future, therefore effective, alternative elements will be required.

"The majority of photovoltaic solar panels sold in the United States aren’t actually made in the US. In the past few months, however, several Asian solar companies, most notably those in China, have begun moving operations and manufacturing solar panels in America.
Why? Because of an import tariff on solar panels implemented by the Trump administration. To incentivize US manufacturing, President Donald Trump introduced a 30% tariff on imported solar panels and the cells used to manufacture them. Because of this, some US solar energy companies have begun manufacturing at new US-based facilities."

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/best-american-solar-panel-manufacturers#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20photovoltaic%20solar,manufacturing%20solar%20panels%20in%20America

"Lithium (Li)-ion batteries (LIBs) are the electrochemical energy storage systems of choice for a wide variety of applications, however other types of emerging battery technologies are currently on the path to share their dominant position.
Among them Sodium (Na)-ion batteries (NIBs) have great potential to represent the next generation low cost and environmentally friendly energy storage solution."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/09/200922102424.htm

[Craig Lamson]

More evidence of a confused poster, someone not able to follow two different topics about money/debt/deficit only minutes apart. Between you, Alan and the popup Frans, thankfully Joe is here to make the 'debate' at least intellectually interesting. 
When you do the boat waxing, maybe you should consider pure Carnauba. Maybe the Petroleum distillates in your brand is affecting memory function. 🤮

More empty attempts at deflection from Andrew.

You truly are a confused poster and are trying really hard, and failing to cover your shortcomings.

Andrew sezs:

“In terms of the National Debt; I provide facts as to the President and his party that has a good track record.”

Only one problem.  Andrew has not presented any facts about Presidents, party or their track record on the National Debt.  When he says he did, he’s not telling the truth.

[digitaldog]

The Best Way to Measure Debt by President
The best way to measure a president's debt is to add up their budget deficits and compare that total to the debt level when they took office. A president's budget reveals their administration's priorities**. The deficit by president reveals how much deficit was in each year's budget.
Though they sound similar, a deficit and debt are two different things. A deficit is a budget shortfall, whereas debt is the running total of deficits and surpluses.
**Donald Trump: As of the end of FY 2020, the debt was $26.9 trillion. Trump added $6.7 trillion to the debt since Obama's last budget, a 33.1% increase due to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) predicted that the pandemic would raise the FY 2020 deficit by $2.2 trillion and the FY 2021 deficit by $0.6 trillion.
In his FY 2021 budget, Trump's budget includes a $1.566 trillion deficit, representing a projected 5.8% increase over 2020.10

** like tax cuts for the rich.
Trump once vowed to wipe out the federal deficit.
Donald Trump: “We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.”
Bob Woodward: “How long would that take?”
Trump: “I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers…”
Trump: “Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
Woodward: “Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?”
Trump: “I don’t think I’ll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.”
Woodward: “That would be $2 trillion a year.”
Trump: “No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody.”

Worth adding:

Barack Obama (2009-2017): Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise ($8.6 trillion) but was fifth in terms of percentage: 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts.

[JoeKitchen]

Yet you can't answer the question to the quip. A quip was only a bit funnier/sad than Craig's rhetorical question: Who needs the Vaccine. 
If you two think you can start a comedy act, keep your day jobs. 

For someone who keeps on insisting you are not taking me seriously, you sure go out of the way to take my quips as seriously as possible.