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« Reply #4460 on: December 18, 2020, 09:46:43 am »

** like tax cuts for the rich.
Trump once vowed to wipe out the federal deficit.
Donald Trump: “We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.”
Bob Woodward: “How long would that take?”
Trump: “I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers…”
Trump: “Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.”
Woodward: “Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?”
Trump: “I don’t think I’ll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.”
Woodward: “That would be $2 trillion a year.”
Trump: “No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody.”

Finally you post what you said you did, but didn’t.

Interesting, Trump has a 33% increase.  What was Obama’s?  Oh yea!

Btw, when you choose to quote a website the correct thing to do is offer up the link so people can see your source.  You have a nasty habit of not doing that.  In this case I already had this site bookmarked but others may not.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
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« Reply #4461 on: December 18, 2020, 09:48:53 am »

I get it. Democrats criticized Trump's picks so Republicans criticize Biden's picks. Turn about is fair play. It's your turn, so have at it. I have no interest in doing a comparison of all of Trump's picks and all of Biden's picks, and then arguing about whose are worse. Some others may be up for it though.

There is a lot of criticisms to go around, but after thinking about it, I feel the Mayor Pete pick is the funniest.  Not because of his lack of qualifications, but because of the real reason Biden picked him for that position that everyone seems to be ignoring. 

This was just Biden, who dislikes Mayor Pete, luring him into a quit corner so he can stab him in the groin and have him die a slow political death while no one is watching.  I'm not sure where his career really goes from here, which is a shame since he was the most talented guy who ran in the primary.  Don't get me wrong, it's not like I want him to succeed, just pointing out the obvious. 
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« Reply #4462 on: December 18, 2020, 09:49:04 am »

For someone who keeps on insisting you are not taking me seriously, you sure go out of the way to take my quips as seriously as possible.   ;)

It’s just more of dogs threadbare shtick.
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« Reply #4463 on: December 18, 2020, 09:53:50 am »

In all seriousness, like Trump didn't?
If you really need multiple examples, ask.
Don't forget all those who correctly called him a moron or otherwise, or all the 'best people' he fired or quit.
When you give Biden a year or so, then you can comment on his picks and their actual abilities on the job. The last four years isn't going to be difficult to improve upon!

I dont remember Dr. Den Carson getting the benefit of the doubt for a year.  I also dont remember Trump's picks sailing through in his first month like Obama's did.

In full disclosure, I also did not think Carson should have been the HUD Secretary, and still dont. 

Also, I fully expect, just like Obama did, that the Biden administration will light the entire Middle East on fire again with his insistence to re-enter the Iran Deal, our modern day version of "A Peace for Out Time."  Come to think of it, is this how Biden is going to buy American?  Increase our defense manufacturing? 
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« Reply #4464 on: December 18, 2020, 09:55:32 am »

For someone who keeps on insisting you are not taking me seriously, you sure go out of the way to take my quips as seriously as possible.   ;)
I actually take you more seriously than Craig. That's not a very high bar but a bar indeed.🤔
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« Reply #4465 on: December 18, 2020, 09:59:10 am »

I actually take you more seriously than Craig. That's not a very high bar but a bar indeed.🤔

Well then, I would recommend learning when not to take me seriously.  A little piece of advice, about 40% of what I write here is not meant to be serious. 

But anyway, back to being serious, just saw the 7 day average daily of new C-19 cases in CA (lockdown heavy) is 90.5 whereas in TX (lockdown lite) is 42.  Those heavy lockdowns sure are working like a charm. 

Who would have thought that taking away all outdoor activities and forcing people to stay home indoors without socially distancing breathing recycled air would increase the spread of a decease that almost only spreads indoors?  Strange. 
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« Reply #4466 on: December 18, 2020, 10:06:17 am »

Well then, I would recommend learning when not to take me seriously.  A little piece of advice, about 40% of what I write here is not meant to be serious.
Good to know. Is it exactly 40%? 😜
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« Reply #4467 on: December 18, 2020, 10:07:59 am »

Good to know. Is it exactly 40%? 😜

Well, if we're checking the odds ...

73.6% Of All Statistics Are Made Up
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« Reply #4468 on: December 18, 2020, 10:10:49 am »

Joe, are the so called lockdowns (undefined) identical in all counties of both states? Let's start there and move on to the infection rates.
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« Reply #4469 on: December 18, 2020, 10:11:56 am »

Well, if we're checking the odds ...

73.6% Of All Statistics Are Made Up
"There are two kinds of statistics, the kind you look up, and the kind you make up." -Rex Stout
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« Reply #4470 on: December 18, 2020, 10:22:49 am »

Joe, are the so called lockdowns (undefined) identical in all counties of both states? Let's start there and move on to the infection rates.

Depends on the state. 

Texas is fairly open and consistent, even in the blueberry floating in tomato soup, Austin.  I know this because I will be TX next month, in both Austin and Dallas, and perhaps a more rural area, and I have been looking at the lockdown policies. 

CA is a mixed bag.  Last I checked, Newsom tried putting 94% of the state on a lockdown and curfew.  Some counties are enforcing it, some are not.  It seems like if you are in LA you have to comply, but if you live in the more conservative country next to LA (I forget the name of it) they are not following the orders as much.
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« Reply #4471 on: December 18, 2020, 10:24:03 am »

"There are two kinds of statistics, the kind you look up, and the kind you make up." -Rex Stout

I dont need to be thinking about beer this early in the morning please. 
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« Reply #4472 on: December 18, 2020, 10:27:30 am »

I hate to interrupt this fascinating discussion about whether you are discussing the deficit or the national debt, but I was wondering whether there is anything else newsworthy. I looked through my newsfeed and the only thing that got my eyebrows up was that some advertiser, which I cannot remember, and therefore could probably use the advertising (wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Prevagen), had pulled its advertising from the Tucker Carlson hour because old Tucker boy opined that Jill Biden was illiterate, or maybe it was practically illiterate, which is probably not unlike other media pundits calling Melania vapid, except that Jill Biden has a Ed.D. and Melania has, well, modeling experience, and for some reason, perhaps surgical, always squints like she is peering into the Bat Signal from close range. 

Speaking of Jill Biden's Ed.D., last week, or maybe it was earlier this week, someone opined somewhere, perhaps the WSJ, that Dr. Jill should drop the Dr. from her name because she had an Ed.D., not an M.D., and was undeserving of the title. Well, that got everyone's hackles up who are even slightly left of center, along with all the people right of center who happened to have an Ed.D., and some even called it misogynic, which seemed a stretch, since guys get Ed.D.s too, and this particular pundit probably would have called out the president if he had an Ed.D. and wanted to be called Dr. President.  It did not escape the pundit's notice that Dr. Jill, or, if you prefer, Jill, teaches English at a community college, which is not exactly at the height of academe. It is unclear whether she teaches English, as in the language, or that she teaches English literature. After all, they do teach remedial English at community colleges. For some students it is required. Anyway, he also noted that she had received her Ed.D. from the University of Delaware, which happens to have a business school, or maybe it is a public policy school, named after her husband, and that her dissertation committee knew that secret and acted accordingly. Personally, I agree with the pundit on the issue, though not how he, shall we say, articulated it. So anyway, a lot of people were talking about it and generally feeling superior whether they had graduated from high school or not. It got me thinking maybe we should have an honorific for someone with a GED. It always hurts to be left out of the title game. And I think that's fair because it is probably harder to earn a GED than obtain a high school diploma, since you have to show some initiative and actually do stuff rather than just kind of show up.

So a day or so ago, another pundit, who happens to have a B.A. Phi Beta Kappa from Yale, decided to double-down in a follow-up opinion piece, also, I think, appearing in the WSJ. Now, as we have learned from Aunt Becky, a lot of undeserving students get into top colleges if their parents generously support higher education, or they pay someone to take their SATs, so just this guy graduating for Yale doesn't mean he is a genius, but he is probably pretty bright because they don't give out Phi Beta Kappa keys to students at the bottom of the class, not that his subsequent career trajectory has him in the running for a MacArthur fellowship or anything. So let's just call him Smarty Pants, and everyone can decide for themselves what credentials he holds for that appellation. Anyway, Smarty Pants, in the crudest possible description, rips Dr. Jill a new asshole, comparing her Ed.D. dissertation to a third grade social studies report without the magazine clippings. And he didn't do it quickly and painlessly; he really took his time and explored the subject in depth, probing every possible aspect of her intellectual deficiencies with surgical precision. My response was just wow. Wow. If he turned his talents to giving old Melania the once over, you probably couldn't have printed it anywhere you would admit to having read it. But I guess that is why politics is called a blood sport, and this guy is a gladiator. Shock and awe boys, shock and awe.

With these two opinion pieces floating around, old Tucker weighs in and attempts to one up Smarty Pants, but he didn't have the gravitas, or frankly the grammar and vocabulary, to even come close. I mean it was so obvious that he is not Phi Beta Kappa material it was embarrassing. I'd go so far as to say that he sounded pretty goofy. But a lot of guys like him aren't embarrassed when embarrassing themselves, which of course is why they have opinion shows on Fox News. But, still, they do not embarrass themselves badly enough, at least consistently enough, to qualify for Newsmax, so they have room for improvement. And then there's always OAN to aspire too. I think you have to do an summer internship at Infowars to even be in the running.

Just to round this out, I think the debt and the deficit are too high, but maybe I'm just jealous that the government has a higher credit limit on its credit cards than I do, and the collection agencies aren't calling it up at all hours of the day and night threatening to take its first born.

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« Reply #4473 on: December 18, 2020, 10:45:18 am »

I hate to interrupt this fascinating discussion about whether you are discussing the deficit or the national debt, but I was wondering whether  there is anything else newsworthy. I looked through my newsfeed and the only thing I saw that got my eyebrows up was that some advertiser, which I cannot remember, and therefore could probably use the advertising (wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Prevagen), had pulled its advertising from the Tucker Carlson hour because old Tucker boy opined that Jill Biden was illiterate, or maybe it was practically illiterate, which is probably not unlike other media pundits calling Melania vapid, except that Jill Biden has a Ed.D. and Melania has, well, modeling experience, and for some reason, perhaps surgical, always squints like she is peering into the Bat Signal from close range. 

Speaking of Jill Biden's Ed.D., last week, or maybe it was earlier this week, someone opined somewhere, perhaps the WSJ, that Dr. Jill should drop the Dr. from her name because she had an Ed.D., not an M.D., and was undeserving of the title. Well, that got everyone's hackles up who are even slightly left of center, along with all people right of center who happened to have an Ed.D., and some even called it misogynic, which seemed a stretch, since guys get Ed.D.s too, and this particular pundit probably would have called out the president if he had an Ed.D. and wanted to be called Dr. President.  It did not escape the pundit's notice that Dr. Jill, or if you prefer Jill, teaches English at a community college, which is not exactly at the height of academe, and that she had received the Ed.D. from the University of Delaware, which happens to have a business school, or maybe it is a public policy school, named after her husband. Personally, I agree with the pundit on the issue, though not how he, shall we say, articulated it. So anyway, a lot of people were talking about it and generally feeling superior whether they had graduating from high school or not. It got me thinking maybe we should have an honorific for someone with a GED. It always hurts to be left out of the title game.

So a day or so ago, another pundit, who happens to have a B.A. Phi Beta Kappa from Yale, decided to double-down, in a follow-up opinion piece, also, I think, appearing in the WSJ. Now, as we have learned from Aunt Becky, a lot of undeserving students get into top colleges if their parents generously support higher education, or they pay someone to take their SATs, so just this guy graduating for Yale doesn't make him a genius, but he is probably pretty bright because they don't give out Phi Beta Kappa keys to students at the bottom of the class, not that his subsequent career trajectory has the loft of a three iron. So let's just call him Smarty Pants, and everyone can decide for themselves what credentials he holds for that appellation. Anyway, Smarty Pants, in the crudest possible description, rips Dr. Jill a new asshole, comparing her Ed.D. dissertation to a third grade social studies report without the magazine clippings. And he didn't do it quickly and painlessly, he really took his time and explored the subject in depth, probing every possible aspect of her intellectual deficiencies with surgical precision. My response was just wow. Wow. If he turned his talents to giving old Melania the once over, you probably couldn't have printed it anywhere you would admit to having read it. But I guess that is why politics is called a blood sport, and this guy is a gladiator. Shock and awe boys, shock and awe.

With these two opinion pieces floating around, old Tucker weighs in and attempts to one up Smarty Pants, but he didn't have the gravitas, or frankly the grammar and vocabulary, to even come close. I mean it was so obvious that he is not Phi Beta Kappa material it was embarrassing. But a lot of guys like him aren't embarrassed when embarrassing themselves, which of course why they have opinion shows on Fox News. But, still, they do not embarrass themselves badly enough to qualify for Newsmax, so they have room for improvement.

Just to round this out, I think the debt and the deficit are too high, but maybe I'm just jealous that the government has a higher credit limit on its credit cards than I do, and the collection agencies aren't calling them up at all hours of the day or night.

Are you sure you didn't miss anything?  Oh wait you forgot Whoopie wondering if Dr Jill will be named Surgeon General because she's such a wonderful doctor.
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« Reply #4474 on: December 18, 2020, 11:03:57 am »

Who would have thought that taking away all outdoor activities and forcing people to stay home indoors without socially distancing breathing recycled air would increase the spread of a decease that almost only spreads indoors?  Strange.

Exactly. Instead of Biden's slogan being Build Back Better, it should be Pitch A Tent. I guess that leaves out voters in the inner city, so they went with Build Back Better. The problem is what his slogan is going to be after a hurricane hits Puerto Rico again. Maybe Bounty, The Quicker Picker Upper. No, that one's been used already.
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« Reply #4475 on: December 18, 2020, 11:17:34 am »

Depends on the state. 
Yes, and in many cases, each county in that state. Does here. There are 33 counties, they can differ in terms of the restrictions/mandates and if you must call, "Lockdown". That doesn't mean someone from out of state, say Florida will act differently in NM.
But you keep using the term 'Lockdown' and it's broad and vague and differ. SO if we are going to have a serious discussion about about infections, shouldn't we define what lockdowns mean, where? 
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Texas is fairly open and consistent, even in the blueberry floating in tomato soup, Austin.  I know this because I will be TX next month, in both Austin and Dallas, and perhaps a more rural area, and I have been looking at the lockdown policies.

Lockdown is?
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CA is a mixed bag.
What's in the bag and is that everywhere in this massive state?
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Last I checked, Newsom tried putting 94% of the state on a lockdown and curfew.
Meaning what?
Does Santa Fe have lockdowns because we do not allow Restaurants to serve people indoors but does allow service outdoors? Does Santa Fe have a lockdown because they have a limit of people inside of some stores? Is anything but 100% allowance of people inside say Sams Club at all times mean this is a lockdown?
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Some counties are enforcing it, some are not.

Yes, exactly! And isn't it sad that not only this is taking place after a mandate/law (governors do have the power of enforcement) that people go out of their way NOT to follow the mandate/law? It's a deadly infections disease after all that has killed (by a low count) over 300,000 Americans.   
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It seems like if you are in LA you have to comply, but if you live in the more conservative country next to LA (I forget the name of it) they are not following the orders as much.
It's a mess. It didn't have to be. It shouldn't be. This is what happens when the US government decides to let each state do it's own thing or, agencies like the CDC in that government make recommendations that state governors let along the president doesn't follow. It shouldn't be political should it? The virus doesn't care if you are in a red or blue state or you yourself (and what about small children) have no political party or they do.
IF you want to have a serious conversation about 'lockdowns' and the spread of the virus, the first thing you should do (PLEASE) is define what is a lockdown, how it differs from locality to locality, how people there abide of do not abide by CDC guidance.

I would think/hope we would both agree that if every American followed the CDC and other scientific guidelines to restrict the virus, we would need no 'lockdowns' (restrictions), along with government financial support (like Alan's Social Security check) to keep business 'lock-downed' until the virus is eradicated and going to those business is safe.     
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« Reply #4476 on: December 18, 2020, 11:18:57 am »

Are you sure you didn't miss anything?  Oh wait you forgot Whoopie wondering if Dr Jill will be named Surgeon General because she's such a wonderful doctor.

Well, I was just going on memory, so I probably left a lot out, and got most of the stuff I did remember wrong. That's why I left out the links. I am pretty sure one of you guys would have fact checked me and ripped me a new asshole because Smarty Pants compared Dr. Jill's, or just Jill's, Ed.D dissertation to a fourth grade social studies report not a third grade social studies report. But Joe has me convinced that I should be more reckless, so I didn't double check that.

As for Whoopie, I don't watch much daytime television. The only time I see Whoopie is when I am watching reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Her character is named Guinan, and she tends bar in Ten Forward. Guinan is a terrible name. It sounds like it's short for gynecologist. Most of the time you want your barkeep to be a psychologist, not a gynecologist. I guess old Gene Roddenberry didn't want her character's name to be Pyscho. Anyway, I think Psycho is Worf's nickname, or if it isn't, it should be. Have you seen that stuff he eats called gagh? Gagh is Klingon for serpent worms. There alive, for God's sake. I have to advert my eyes whenever they bring him a bowl of that so I don't throw up. If I were on the Enterprise, I'd probably hack the replicator software so it couldn't conjure up gagh. Otherwise, every time you cleared your throat, here it comes. So old Worf probably wouldn't think it was very funny if I hacked the replicator software like that. And you don't want Worf to get pissed off. That's another reason why Worf's nickname is, or should be, Psycho. He's got so many weapons in his quarters, you'd think he lived in Idaho.
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« Reply #4477 on: December 18, 2020, 11:21:31 am »

As for Whoopie, I don't watch much daytime television. The only time I see Whoopie is when I am watching reruns of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Her character is called Guinan, and she tends bar in Ten Forward. Guinan is a terrible name. It sounds like it's short for gynecologist.
Wait, she's playing Mother Abagal in King's "The Stand" remake. I will probably watch it, but I already know the book is better. 
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« Reply #4478 on: December 18, 2020, 11:22:27 am »

I dont need to be thinking about beer this early in the morning please.
I prefer a good hit on a Vape.  ;D
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« Reply #4479 on: December 18, 2020, 11:37:12 am »

BTW Joe, the BBQ brisket at Terry Blacks in Austin👍
I'm not willing to wait hours for Franklins.
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