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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3480 on: December 03, 2020, 12:42:12 pm »

"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy," Mr Trump said on Monday. "These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hate has no place in America."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49240310
Even a broken clock is correct, twice a day Alan (Alan's readers, he's not paying attention).
Anyone think Alan would read all the statements Trump made that goes against in very strong words, what Alan reported he said like once? Not a chance.

This is the kind of tactic Trump uses on his cult followers and they eat up. Instead of telling us, that when Trump said ..."must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy" he's joking, they use it to tell us he's really serious. When so much of his language before and after saying this, he contradicts what he said. It's akin, as outlined earlier, to when he (and his cult) make utterly untrue statements but preceded it with "Many people say" or "I've heard that...." Or he retweets from others. His cult take what they want to believe as true and what they don't want to believe as fake news. The facts and data have no play in this mindset.

The bottom line for critical thinkers, after nearly four years in office and 20K lies is; don't take anything Trump says seriously or as truthful. He's joking. It's sarcasm. It's what someone else believes that he heard. It's rubbish. It vacillates. Mexico will pay for the wall. I know more about (fill in the blank) than (fill in the blank). We are rounding the corner. Only I can fix this. I hire the best people. And on, and on; the cult members must believe. It's really sad. 
Brain washed.  :'(
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« Reply #3481 on: December 03, 2020, 12:56:37 pm »

Thanks for the link Alan, hadn't seen that. I now only wished he would have lived up to that statement a little longer after uttering it and wouldn't have condoned the alt-right white supremacist gangs by saying "stand back but stand by" 
It's not much different than what Biden said that rioting and violence are wrong but he agreed that their right to demonstrate and demand they be listened to is OK. After all, American principals cherish free speech, regardless of your position, vile or not.  Unlike Europe, in America, even Nazis can demonstrate legally, march, etc.   Of course, both Trump's and Biden's words were twisted into something more negative, exactly what happened.   

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« Reply #3482 on: December 03, 2020, 01:05:37 pm »

It's not much different than what Biden said that rioting and violence are wrong but he agreed that their right to demonstrate and demand they be listened to is OK.
It's quite different but the difference can't penetrate the unreality bubble. Biden never called out for white supremacists as Trump has, never.
President Donald Trump, asked if he would denounce white supremacists and militia groups during the U.S. presidential debate, told the right-wing group the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”
Trump in August 2017 blamed "many sides" for deadly neo-Nazi violence in Charlottesville. The president said there were "very fine people" on "both sides."
Biden never said anything like that. That's the difference.
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« Reply #3483 on: December 03, 2020, 01:20:15 pm »

I agree Andrew, Biden's words were pretty clear and non-sensational and are hard to spin negatively. On the other hand words coming from Trump are always sensational, quite negative in the base case and are easy to spin and devide, which is exactly his intention. I only think the media that didn't agree with him gave him way too much attention, sometimes it's better to shut up and let it simmer.
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« Reply #3484 on: December 03, 2020, 01:42:53 pm »

Give it up guys. It's not worth the effort. It's not like you are going to change anyone's mind. Just move on to the next battle.
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« Reply #3485 on: December 03, 2020, 01:53:33 pm »

Give it up guys. It's not worth the effort. It's not like you are going to change anyone's mind.
So true and illustrated over and over again.
"An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head." -Eric Hoffer 
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« Reply #3486 on: December 03, 2020, 02:24:24 pm »

How that disproves what I said about Biden words? It simply reinforces my point. 1. You asked me to prove "burning down cities"... Biden did that for me: "burning down communities and needless destruction." 2. His quote confirms what I said: that he couldn't bring himself to lay blame on the clear culprit: the Left paramilitary forces, that he later called "just an idea," even though they have uniformes, fighting tools, flags, insignia, and mass show of force.

they forgot their shotguns... hopeless!
(hope you did not shoot it with your new Canon 70-200lens...)
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« Reply #3487 on: December 03, 2020, 02:53:56 pm »

(hope you did not shoot it with your new Canon 70-200lens...)
I don't think they're his.

Don't get me wrong, I think whoever did this burning and looting is absolutely wrong. No amount of anger justifies this (or any other) violence and destruction.
But to say it was done "by the Democratic party" is just alt-right propaganda.
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« Reply #3488 on: December 03, 2020, 03:17:52 pm »

Meanwhile as we round the corner...

The US recorded its highest daily number of coronavirus deaths on Wednesday, as the number of people admitted to hospital with Covid exceeded 100,000 for the first time since the pandemic began.
According to the Johns Hopkins University tracker, 3,157 new deaths were recorded on Wednesday, more than the number of people killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The previous high was the 2,607 deaths recorded on 15 April, at the beginning of the pandemic.

Mike Pompeo Is Throwing a 900-Person Indoor Holiday Party as COVID-19 Deaths Approach a “9/11 Every Single Day”
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« Reply #3489 on: December 03, 2020, 03:27:59 pm »

Well it all seems safe there in the White House, McEnany: If you can loot... you can also go to a Christmas party'
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« Reply #3490 on: December 03, 2020, 03:49:14 pm »

Well it all seems safe there in the White House, McEnany: If you can loot... you can also go to a Christmas party'

If someone wants to go to a Christmas party at the White House and not wear a mask, let them go. Asking the White House if it is setting a good example by holding in-person holiday parties during a pandemic is a waste of breath. You are only going to get an idiotic response, particularly from Kayleigh McEnany. She has binders full of idiotic responses. That's her specialty. Can you imagine what it would be like if your job was to run around reading idiotic responses out of a binder all day? White House press briefings are a complete waste of time for everyone involved. I don't know why the media cover them.
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« Reply #3491 on: December 03, 2020, 03:49:23 pm »

Well it all seems safe there in the White House, McEnany: If you can loot... you can also go to a Christmas party'
Despite what the CDC recommends. That twit can't see the difference between the two or the message it sends. Don't do as our agency says, do as Pompeo wants. Pathetic.
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« Reply #3492 on: December 03, 2020, 04:26:38 pm »

... to say it was done "by the Democratic party" is just alt-right propaganda.

You and Jeremy are simply disingenuous. You want to see a party document specifically saying "let's burn down 25 American cities." Who in their right mind would put that on paper or say it? But you both know that in criminal law there is a crime of action and a crime of inaction (i.e., crime of omission - a failure to act). The Democrats chose the second one: in cities where they are mayors and states where they are governors, they simply failed to act, let the riots and looting continue for 100 days, ordered the police to stand down and not engage, organized bail money and legal help for rioters, etc.

If you pretend that crimes of omission, a failure to act, do not exist, so be it. I know you will not change your mind and will continue to pretend you do not understand what I am saying. Or pretend it doesn't have merit what I am saying.

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« Reply #3493 on: December 03, 2020, 04:35:07 pm »

You and Jeremy are simply disingenuous. You want to see a party document specifically saying "let's burn down 25 American cities." Who in their right mind would put that on paper or say it? But you both know that in criminal law there is a crime of action and a crime of inaction (i.e., crime of omission - a failure to act). The Democrats chose the second one: in cities where they are mayors and states where they are governors, they simply failed to act, let the riots and looting continue for 100 days, ordered the police to stand down and not engage, organized bail money and legal help for rioters, etc.

If you pretend that crimes of omission, a failure to act, do not exist, so be it. I know you will not change your mind and will continue to pretend you do not understand what I am saying. Or pretend it doesn't have merit what I am saying.

I am not an expert in criminal law, but I was wondering if it would be a crime of omission on the part of federal, state and local leaders to fail to enact and enforce a mask mandate? I believe I read that we had something like 3160 COVID deaths yesterday.
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« Reply #3494 on: December 03, 2020, 04:43:38 pm »

When you say "crazy fringe," or something similar, do you have in mind popular members of Congress too:


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« Reply #3495 on: December 03, 2020, 04:44:10 pm »

But you both know that in criminal law there is a crime of action and a crime of inaction (i.e., crime of omission - a failure to act). The Democrats chose the second one: in cities where they are mayors and states where they are governors, they simply failed to act, let the riots and looting continue for 100 days, ordered the police to stand down and not engage, organized bail money and legal help for rioters, etc.

If you pretend that crimes of omission, a failure to act, do not exist, so be it. I know you will not change your mind and will continue to pretend you do not understand what I am saying. Or pretend it doesn't have merit what I am saying.

So Trump's failure to act on Covid should be considered a crime with hundreds of thousands dead?

It's a hoax.
It will magically go away one day.
It will go away when it gets hot.
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« Reply #3496 on: December 03, 2020, 04:45:50 pm »

I am not an expert in criminal law, but I was wondering if it would be a crime of omission on the part of federal, state and local leaders to fail to enact and enforce a mask mandate? I believe I read that we had something like 3160 COVID deaths yesterday.

Time for Alan to remind you about what... about whataboutism ;)

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« Reply #3497 on: December 03, 2020, 04:50:41 pm »

When you say "crazy fringe," or something similar, do you have in mind popular members of Congress too:



Minorities are the biggest victims of crime. For AOC and the squad to call for defunding the police is like shooting yourself in the foot. But then again, she was the person who soured Amazon from opening their headquarters in Queens NYC.  Because of her stupidity, minorities lost the chance for thousands of well-paying jobs with Amazon.  What a dope.

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« Reply #3498 on: December 03, 2020, 04:51:52 pm »

When you say "crazy fringe," or something similar, do you have in mind popular members of Congress too:
Another guy like Frans who hasn't a clue what defund the police slogan actually means.
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« Reply #3499 on: December 03, 2020, 04:52:13 pm »

So Trump's failure to act on Covid should be considered a crime with hundreds of thousands dead?

It's a hoax.
It will magically go away one day.
It will go away when it gets hot.
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Whataboutism. :)
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