Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

Will you still get your Social Security check? Or is socialism completely finished ?

Well, I didn't agree we should have Social Security.  But I had no choice.  I and my employers paid into Social Security thousands and thousands of dollars during all the years I worked.  They took my money.  So now I want it back.  It's not socialism when they borrow your money. But then you're supposed to get it back.  It's only socialism when they steal your money to give it to someone else who didn't work for it.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That can't be right - Slobo has documentary evidence that the Democrats want to "abolish" and "murder" the police.  You can't be suggesting that he ..... just made that up ??

The fact that Biden is distancing himself from abolishing and murdering police now is the proof that policy existed and was used to attract Bernie crazies to vote.

[jeremyrh]

The fact that Biden is distancing himself from abolishing and murdering police now is the proof that policy existed and was used to attract Bernie crazies to vote.

Cool.  Meanwhile I'm still waiting for that documentation.....

[pegelli]

The fact that Biden is distancing himself from abolishing and murdering police now is the proof that policy existed and was used to attract Bernie crazies to vote.

I don't think it proves anything. You will always have crazies on the left which want to abolish Police (and all other means in which authority is established) as well as crazies on the right who think the President needs overturn the election based on conspiracy theories without any shred of evidence up to and including declaring martial law. Both of these extremes are delusional.

[chez]

That can't be right - Slobo has documentary evidence that the Democrats want to "abolish" and "murder" the police.  You can't be suggesting that he ..... just made that up ??

Who Slobo...nah. After all he knows socialism...and everyone knows socialist countries murder their cops.

[Robert Roaldi]

You mean like the "Russian collusion" fake charges?

Nobody is granting anything specifically new to the current president. It's already been in the Constitution (I presume, I am not a Constitutional scholar).

Now hang on a second. Were there actual "collusion" charges brought that had to defended in court? Surely they had a duty to investigate if they thought something was wrong. And they found a lot wrong with the entire stinking mess. Ultimately, there were no criminal charges brought against Trump himself, but that's not a reason not to investigate what did happen.


And, as I stated, my question about pardons was more general, not related to the current drama. If I remember right, Clinton made some pretty iffy use of it that raised a few eyebrows. Does it make sense that this power even exists?

[pschefz]

Like who?

silly me, I just assumed that would include you....and one or two others HERE who seem to believe every single line coming from "the non fake media" although I am not so sure what that is anymore either since even fox now sometimes has to offer a glimpse of reality....

[chez]

It's only socialism when they steal your money to give it to someone else who didn't work for it.

Heaven forbid the well off help out someone in need.

[Alan Klein]

I don't think it proves anything. You will always have crazies on the left which want to abolish Police (and all other means in which authority is established) as well as crazies on the right who think the President needs overturn the election based on conspiracy theories without any shred of evidence up to and including declaring martial law. Both of these extremes are delusional.

But the main parties can't ignore them.  Because of our electoral system, each party needs the crazies to take them over the 50% majority required to win the presidency. So each party puts up with all types. 

In a parliamentary system, the main party could ignore them before the election.  The crazies just start a third and fourth parties to represent the minorities on both sides.  Of course, after the election in a parliamentary system, the main parties might have to make deals with the minority parties to win power.  But the differences in our systems are what accounts for these strange alliances before the election.  That 50% is why there are only two main parties in America and you rarely hear about third party candidates.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I'll pick "burns it's cities down"

[chez]

The fact that Biden is distancing himself from abolishing and murdering police now is the proof that policy existed and was used to attract Bernie crazies to vote.

If it existed...why not show it to us? Or does it exist like Trump's election fraud.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

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[jeremyrh]

Heaven forbid the well off help out someone in need.

It's only women and colored folks - who cares if they starve?

[jeremyrh]

Nice pics, Slobo - are they from the Democrats' manifesto, or what?

[pschefz]

Cool.  Meanwhile I'm still waiting for that documentation.....

we are all waiting, but in certain circles it is enough to write TREMENDOUS and BEAUTIFUL EVIDENCE (in all caps of course)
sometimes a little 45min video presentation with graphs is needed to drive home the point
because everybody knows smart people geniuses use graphs

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

silly me, I just assumed that would include you....

Silly you indeed. Show me where I said I believe in the election fraud on a massive scale?

[pschefz]

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so if we post pics of some dictator handing out gifts to kids, does that prove that they are and always have been nice people?
I think there is a word for oversimplification of this kind of thing....propaganda...

[chez]

And who was president when all this unrest occurred?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Nice pics, Slobo - are they from the Democrats' manifesto, or what?

They all happened in Democrat-run cities, with a tacit support from Democrat mayors and governors, and total radio silence from Biden in the first 100 days of the riots. Only when the polls starting showing it hurts Dems chances in the election, he changed the tune, but even then couldn't directly name the perps, because they are his perps.

[Alan Klein]

It's only women and colored folks - who cares if they starve?

Nobody wants anyone to starve.  But the best way to help people, especially the poor,  is to have a system that encourages enterprise and investment and sound government policies when it comes to economics.

Overtaxing discourages investment and reduces the number of jobs the poor need.  Allowing illegal immigration to pay less salaries takes jobs away from poor Americans. Transfering too much wealth discourages people from taking chances on new businesses that would provide more jobs for the poor.  Higher business taxes reduces available capital used for investment to create more businesses, jobs and available taxes to support government programs.