Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Robert Roaldi]

Nothing. But that doesn’t mean they won’t be dragged through investigations and courts until nothing is proven.

I find this an odd position to take for someone who I would have characterized as a "law and order" type, or at least at that end of the spectrum. If an authority brought criminal charges against members of the Trump family, are you saying that they would do so without sufficient evidence? Isn't that something for the courts to decide, something for which you have expressed a lot of faith in the past. At least the Trumps wouldn't be dependent on legal aid lawyers (they'd have Rudy on the case).

But taking a step back, which is the steeper slippery slope, do you think? Which represents the greater risk to the country? That an incoming administration would use the law improperly to "punish" the relatives of former office holders (not behaviour I would have associated with the US), or the granting of near absolute powers to a "monarch" to pre-emptively forgive his relatives for crimes that are yet to be declared. Is that latter idea really a good one? Because it doesn't seem to me to be a good fit with the other the ideas in the constitution.

[pegelli]

Nothing. But that doesn’t mean they won’t be dragged through investigations and courts until nothing is proven.

You mean like the GOP, Trump, Giuliani, Ellis, Powell, diGenova et. al are now doing?

[faberryman]

Apparently, massive voter fraud is not the only kind of fraud going around these days.

Tucker Carlson: The coronavirus pandemic is a global fraud perpetrated by China, abetted by the powerful

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-on-chinas-global-fraud-coronavirus

[digitaldog]

I'll pick "burns it's cities down"

Ditto.
But he will conveniently ignore us both asking.

[jeremyrh]

Trump's going to sue her for copyright infringement... or at least threaten to.

Let's hope he hires a lawyer who can control his bowels :-)

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1334352749392228353

[Robert Roaldi]

The hilarity continues unabated. How about Lin Wood and Sidney Powell working for the Dems !!!, https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/02/the-conspiracy-theory-that-could-hand-joe-biden-the-senate-442415.

I don't want to mis-characterize the article, it more or less ridicules the idea, but it's sad that this kind of bar talk is discussed in polite company. Mind you, Wood/Powell more or less invite this kind of attention by their actions. The whole saga is more TV sitcom than legal proceeding. It's incredible to me that they are able to earn money doing such stupid sh*t. Must be a lot of unemployed rust belt voters wondering how they could cash in on that action. Talk about a swamp.

[Robert Roaldi]

Let's hope he hires a lawyer who can control his bowels :-)

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1334352749392228353

Is that real or doctored video? But geez, it's funny.

[Alan Klein]

Retweeting a petition he didn't read. How stupid can you be (either doing or assuming it).

I agree.  But this guy is just so happy that after four years of personal and financial destruction caused politically by those against his boss, that he's a free man.  He'd kiss the ass of anyone who encourages freedom regardless of the cause and process.  I'd have no sanity left after going through what he went through.  Give the guy a pass and let him put his life back together.

[pegelli]

I agree.  But this guy is just so happy that after four years of personal and financial destruction caused politically by those against his boss, that he's a free man.  He'd kiss the ass of anyone who encourages freedom regardless of the cause and process.  I'd have no sanity left after going through what he went through.  Give the guy a pass and let him put his life back together.

I'm sorry Alan, I just consider him a dishonest lying asshole who got lucky with the president granting him a federal pardon. If he really wants to be left alone he needs to rest his stupid and dishonest tweets and retweets.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... are you saying that they would do so without sufficient evidence?...

You mean like the "Russian collusion" fake charges?

... the granting of near absolute powers to a "monarch" to pre-emptively forgive...

Nobody is granting anything specifically new to the current president. It's already been in the Constitution (I presume, I am not a Constitutional scholar).

[faberryman]

Nobody is granting anything specifically new to the current president. It's already been in the Constitution (I presume, I am not a Constitutional scholar).

Nothing new. Always been there. Right of the king. Good thing they didn’t put that other right of the king in there.

[Alan Klein]

And don't forget, is in the process of defunding/destroying law enforcement!

The "left" is out from what I can tell. The democrats are moving back to the center and will marginalize the "squad".

Here's why I say that.  Obama has come out against "defunding the police".  The left who supported it reacted.  Here's how it's being played by Republicans at Fox.  Not only is Obama's anti-defund position mentioned, they go on and on how the left supports defunding.
Fox:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/progressives-fire-back-at-obama-after-he-criticizes-defund-the-police-movement


Now, switch to what CNN says about it.  Their article is entirely on what Obama said and how the Democrats want to not defund but to work with everyone to make the police departments better.  Only one short sentence about the left is in there: "Many progressives, however, including New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have touted the phrase."

So this is how it's going down.  Biden's moving back to the center and the left will be marginalized because they lost seats in the House and down-ballot because of it.  The word's gone out by the DNC to their sycophants in the media who will play the new script.  They're not going down that back alley again with the crazies on the left.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/barack-obama-defund-the-police/index.html

[faberryman]

I'm sorry Alan, I just consider him a dishonest lying asshole who got lucky with the president granting him a federal pardon. If he really wants to be left alone he needs to rest his stupid and dishonest tweets and retweets.

Poor Michael Flynn. Maybe he learned his lesson not to lie to the FBI.

[faberryman]

Biden's moving back to the center and the left will be marginalized because they lost seats in the House and down-ballot because of it.  The word's gone out by the DNC to their sycophants in the media who will play the new script.  They're not going down that back alley again with the crazies on the left.

So no socialism after all? That’s got to be a disappointment.

[jeremyrh]

The "left" is out from what I can tell. The democrats are moving back to the center and will marginalize the "squad".

Here's why I say that.  Obama has come out against "defunding the police".  The left who supported it reacted.  Here's how it's being played by Republicans at Fox.  Not only is Obama's anti-defund position mentioned, they go on and on how the left supports defunding.
Fox:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/progressives-fire-back-at-obama-after-he-criticizes-defund-the-police-movement


Now, switch to what CNN says about it.  Their article is entirely on what Obama said and how the Democrats want to not defund but to work with everyone to make the police departments better.  Only one short sentence about the left is in there: "Many progressives, however, including New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have touted the phrase."

So this is how it's going down.  Biden's moving back to the center and the left will be marginalized because they lost seats in the House and down-ballot because of it.  The word's gone out by the DNC to their sycophants in the media who will play the new script.  They're not going down that back alley again with the crazies on the left.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/barack-obama-defund-the-police/index.html

That can't be right - Slobo has documentary evidence that the Democrats want to "abolish" and "murder" the police.  You can't be suggesting that he ..... just made that up ??

[Alan Klein]

Well, if you read the Fox piece, you'll see that the Democrats on the left might.  Of course, CNN is now ignoring them.  They've apparently become persona non grata since Biden won. He's moved back to the center so quickly, I'm waiting for a call from him any minute.

In fact, now that I look at it, Biden brings Washington back where it always was.  Back into the swamp where all the insiders make millions and things just play out as they always did - before Trump.  No wonder they hated what Trump brought.  He wanted to put an end to that after decades of cushy jobs.  So Biden will go back to that.  Crony Capitalism and all.  The fat cats will be happy and the insiders will do fine, thank you, while the rest of the country gets the usual promises and lives payday to payday.

[jeremyrh]

Well, if you read the Fox piece, you'll see that the Democrats on the left might.  Of course, CNN is now ignoring them.  They've apparently become persona non grata since Biden won. He's moved back to the center so quickly, I'm waiting for a call from him any minute.

So you're saying that murdering the police is no longer Democratic Party policy?  Boy, this is confusing,  But they still want to burn down the cities, right?

[Alan Klein]

So you're saying that murdering the police is no longer Democratic Party policy?  Boy, this is confusing,  But they still want to burn down the cities, right?

No.  Biden will send out the gendarmes like Trump. No more crazies allowed in the Democratic party.

[jeremyrh]

No.  Biden will send out the gendarmes like Trump. No more crazies allowed in the Democratic party.

Will you still get your Social Security check? Or is socialism completely finished ?

[faberryman]

In fact, now that I look at it, Biden brings Washington back where it always was.  Back into the swamp where all the insiders make millions and things just play out as they always did - before Trump.  No wonder they hated what Trump brought.  He wanted to put an end to that after decades of cushy jobs.  So Biden will go back to that.  Crony Capitalism and all.  The fat cats will be happy and the insiders will do fine, thank you, while the rest of the country gets the usual promises and lives payday to payday.

The delusions never end.