Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Alan Klein]

Yet another wild-assed assertion by Mr. Klein. 

Back it up with proof, otherwise, it's just more political bullshit.

Slobodan showed the pictures previously.  Would you like to see a piece of charred wood?

[pegelli]

Therre were individual assaults on both sides.  But most burning and looting were on the left and often were done by organized gangs.

No data to back that up, and my second remark would be it's not a competition who kills most people or creates most damage (or the reverse), both alt-left radical looting/burning/killing on the heels of peaceful protests as well as alt-right using peaceful protests as a shield to create havoc, kill and compromise these peaceful protests is despicable.

[pegelli]

Slobodan showed the pictures previously.  Would you like to see a piece of charred wood?

Slobodan's pictures weren't detailed enough to recognise "Make America Great Again" caps and/or other identifiers of any of the two biggest US parties, so they prove nothing about the political ideology of these criminals (if they even have one, my guess [speculation warning] is that they are nutters and morons who just like creating havoc for the fun of it)

[jeremyrh]

You and Jeremy are simply disingenuous. You want to see a party document specifically saying "let's burn down 25 American cities."

Not at all disingenuous - it was you who wrote "I am sure you are aware that every.single.thing I listed above is documentable?"  Now you want to run away from your claim, or pretend "documentable" has nothing to do with .   errr ..  documents ?

[jeremyrh]

Back it up with proof,

Are you new around here ?:-)

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... creating havoc for the fun of it)

The question is who let them do so for 100+ days, telling the police to stand down, not sending in National Guard, bailing rioters and providing legal aid to them? And, supposedly, that was the right approach, which allowed the riots to end sooner (only 100+days - but guess it is just mere nanoseconds in Earth's time). And who was the guy who kept quiet about it in his basement for those 100+ days, so that he can get Bernie supporters to vote for him?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Not at all disingenuous - it was you who wrote "I am sure you are aware that every.single.thing I listed above is documentable?"  Now you want to run away from your claim, or pretend "documentable" has nothing to do with .   errr ..  documents ?

When AOC asks for a list to be compiled about all the Trump supporters so that they can never again work anywhere and are forever shunned, humiliated, or else, and such lists are prepared and publicly available, that is not documentable for you?

But if you want to pretend that only literal meanings of words exist in this world, be my guest.

[jeremyrh]

When AOC asks for a list to be compiled about all the Trump supporters so that they can never again work anywhere and are forever shunned, humiliated, or else, and such lists are prepared and publicly available, that is not documentable for you?

I think you'll find that AOC doesn't speak for the Democrat party, so whatever she may or may not have done is not relevant to your claim.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Slobodan's pictures weren't detailed enough to recognise "Make America Great Again"...

Seriously!? 99% (and I am being charitable) of the riots, burnings, monument toppling, etc. comes from the Left.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I think you'll find that AOC doesn't speak for the Democrat party, so whatever she may or may not have done is not relevant to your claim.

Really!? A member of the Congress and the leftie Squad within it, is not a part of the Democratic party with the growing influence, who helped Biden win with her and Bernie's legions of faithful followers? And she is not on Biden's team for the Green New Deal?

[Robert Roaldi]

Really!? A member of the Congress and the leftie Squad within it, is not a part of the Democratic party with the growing influence, who helped Biden win with her and Bernie's legions of faithful followers? And she is not on Biden's team for the Green New Deal?

Back on caffeine, aren't you?

[pegelli]

Seriously!? 99% (and I am being charitable) of the riots, burnings, monument toppling, etc. comes from the Left.

Two points, it's not true, the actual figure is much more balanced and secondly it's not a competition.

[pegelli]

The question is who let them do so for 100+ days, telling the police to stand down, not sending in National Guard, bailing rioters and providing legal aid to them? And, supposedly, that was the right approach, which allowed the riots to end sooner (only 100+days - but guess it is just mere nanoseconds in Earth's time). And who was the guy who kept quiet about it in his basement for those 100+ days, so that he can get Bernie supporters to vote for him?

Too much Fox, Breitbart and Newsmax are seriously influencing your ability to distinguish facts from propaganda. 

[Robert Roaldi]

More on the GOP's internecine strife and the 2024 election, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/03/trump-2024-election-republicans-442728.

First, why are people talking about 2024 already?

Second, while reading that I got the impression that maybe some Repubs are a bit surprised that Trump has no loyalty to their party.  Well, duh.  They wanted to disrupt politics as usual.

[pegelli]

Really!? A member of the Congress and the leftie Squad within it, is not a part of the Democratic party with the growing influence, who helped Biden win with her and Bernie's legions of faithful followers? And she is not on Biden's team for the Green New Deal?

I'm actually much more afraid of all the damage that Majorie Taylor is going to do, but as usual everybody has their favourite and less favourite politicians but I will never hold the crap she is spewing against other party members who show more common sense.

[Robert Roaldi]

I don't think it has been mentioned much lately but daily US Covid deaths were near enough to 3000 in the last couple of days. Those are worse numbers than during the first wave.

[jeremyrh]

Really!? A member of the Congress and the leftie Squad within it, is not a part of the Democratic party with the growing influence, who helped Biden win with her and Bernie's legions of faithful followers? And she is not on Biden's team for the Green New Deal?

And none of that equates to speaking for the party.

[James Clark]

Seriously!? 99% (and I am being charitable) of the riots, burnings, monument toppling, etc. comes from the Left.

...whereas the right confines itself to attempts to blow up buildings, kidnap federal officials and, oh yeah, outright sedition.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

And none of that equates to speaking for the party.

So, instead of distancing from her:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama-says-democrats-should-make-sure-ocasio-cortez-has-a-platform/ar-BB1byWiR

[ErikKaffehr]

Going to court to make legal challenges is not overturning democracy.  It's what democracy is all about.  He's failing at that approach so it shows the system is working.  What isn't democracy is when the Obama administration used a phoney dossier created by one party as false evidence to go after an adversary in the other party and create an issue for over two years.  Yet, you refuse to even acknowledge that as an issue.

It may make a difference if the claims have a merit. Courts need evidence, it is not their task to investigate claims.

Making claims, that cannot be be proven, could undermine democracy.

There are authorities that superwise elections and it seems they found that elections were clean and unmanipulated.

Also, elections are based on a set of rules. Voting was based on that set of rules. You cannot change the rules after the fact.

It may be that the US election process needs a reform. But, if that is the case it needs to be handled in the democratic process. Having 50 pretty independent states does not make things easier.

Best regards
Erik