US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Jeremy Roussak]

Wonder what an "uninformed" debate would look like.

Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.

Jeremy

[faberryman]

When President Kennedy called for putting a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's, everyone thought he was inspirational giving the country a positive goal we all could join in on to strengthen the country and remind us we're all Americans.  Why should anyone be opposed to Trump's similar recommendations other than you just don't like him?

Nothing wrong with setting a goal to establish moon bases and go to Mars. The thing is people have been talking about this, and working on this quite successfully, for years, so I'm not sure Trump deserves all the credit. It is like if Kennedy gave the moon speech, and we had already developed the rockets, and had sent the capsule up to the space station and it worked fine. In that case, instead of calling Kennedy an inspirational genius, people would probably ask where he has been all this time. Or kind of like setting a goal to develop and deploy the iPhone 12.

[Alan Klein]

I have no idea what kind of filters you'll need for the red planet. It's a long flight, pack a lunch.

Red filters? 

[Alan Klein]

Careful, Russ. You'll upset TechTalk, whoever he (or, of course, she) might be. He (or, of course, she, but I think probably he) thinks this debate is pretty high-level stuff and has reprimanded me for describing it as drivel.

Jeremy

Drivel's only allowed on my thread. 

[Alan Klein]

Nothing wrong with setting a goal to establish moon bases and go to Mars. The thing is people have been talking about this, and working on this quite successfully for years, so I'm not sure Trump deserves all the credit. It is like if Kennedy gave the moon speech, and we had already developed the rockets, and had sent the capsule up to the space station and it worked fine. In that case, instead of calling Kennedy an inspirational genius, people would probably ask where has he been.

Trump is taking positions on a full range of issues for the election showing what his policies are for voters.  That's appropriate and is what candidates do. It would be nice to know what Biden's policy is on packing the court.

[William Walker]

Actually, I though I heard from him awhile ago that he was opposed to going back to the moon.  After all, we did that 50 years ago.  Why are we doing it again like all these other countries want to do?  We should look forward and jump ahead and go directly to Mars.  Well, anyway, that sounds more inspirational.  Recently, I bought a 4x5 view camera after shooting medium format and 35mm for decades.  I thought it might inspire me.  Nothing much yet, though. Maybe I should sign up for Mars?

...and make Mexico pay for it..!

[faberryman]

Trump is taking positions on a full range of issues for the election showing what his policies are for voters.  That's appropriate and is what candidates do. It would be nice to know what Biden's policy is on packing the court.

Why do you want to know Biden's policy on packing the court? If he said he wouldn't allow it during his administration, would you vote for him?  As far as Trump's agenda, I thought the Republicans just re-adopted the 2016 platform?

[Craig Lamson]

Why do you want to know Biden's policy on packing the court? If he said he wouldn't allow it during his administration, would you vote for him?  As far as Trump's agenda, I thought the Republicans just re-adopted the 2016 platform?

The 2016 plan working pretty well until the China virus started and the Biden youth vote trashed our cities.

[Craig Lamson]

You guys enjoy your day.  Its cool and sunny here.  I'm gonna finish mowing the lawn and then we are going to pull out the 530i and take a spin in the country for a bit. 

We areh aving a nice steak for supper.   Then a fire in the firepit and some Fireball later in the evening.  I've voted so my choice has been made.  Politics can wait for another day.  Life awaits! Cheers!

[Alan Klein]

...and make Mexico pay for it..!

I think we should build a wall on Mars to keep the Venusians out.  I'm not sure who we can get to pay for it though.

[Alan Klein]

You guys enjoy your day.  Its cool and sunny here.  I'm gonna finish mowing the lawn and then we are going to pull out the 530i and take a spin in the country for a bit. 

We areh aving a nice steak for supper.   Then a fire in the firepit and some Fireball later in the evening.  I've voted so my choice has been made.  Politics can wait for another day.  Life awaits! Cheers!

The clouds are breaking here.  I think I'll get out and see how the foliage is doing and shoot some film. What's Fireball?

[faberryman]

The 2016 plan working pretty well until the China virus started and the Biden youth vote trashed our cities.

Perhaps. But that was then and this is now. You'd think they might want to update it a little here and there in light of changing circumstances. Probably too much effort. I thought at the 2020 convention Republicans said they wanted to do whatever Trump wanted to do whenever he comes up with something, you know, sort of the we don't want to restrain the genius of our candidate with a platform approach.

[LesPalenik]

I think we should build a wall on Mars to keep the Venusians out.  I'm not sure who we can get to pay for it though.

Since the gravity on Mars is 38 percent of Earth's gravity, a 500-pound wall panel on Earth would weigh only 200 pounds on Mars, so the construction should proceed much quicker than of the border wall along the banks of the Rio Grande.

[faberryman]

The clouds are breaking here.  I think I'll get out and see how the foliage is doing and shoot some film. What's Fireball?

We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.

[John Camp]

We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.

I find that I can complain.

[Alan Klein]

Perhaps. But that was then and this is now. You'd think they might want to update it a little here and there in light of changing circumstances. Probably too much effort. I thought at the 2020 convention Republicans said they wanted to do whatever Trump wanted to do whenever he comes up with something, you know, sort of the we don't want to restrain the genius with a platform approach.

I didn't realize there was a Republican convention because of the virus.  Was there? Did anyone pay attention?  I remember the Democratic convention or at least there was something on Zoom I think.  Everyone had a mask on so you couldn't tell who was speaking.  I thought I was watching an old Lone Ranger movie.  AOC nominated Bernie Sanders for president, and everyone got a good laugh again like they did in 2016.

[Alan Klein]

Since the gravity on Mars is 38 percent of Earth's gravity, a 500-pound wall panel on Earth would weigh only 200 pounds on Mars, so the construction should proceed much quicker than of the border wall along the banks of the Rio Grande.

If Biden wins, he could tear down the wall at the Rio Grande and send the bricks to  Mars.

[faberryman]

I find that I can complain.

I could if I wanted too I guess, but I find it is rarely worth it in either the short or long run. I guess sometimes I do. I'm not perfect.

[Alan Klein]

We'll it's raining here and I didn't get any sleep last night, so I am just sitting on the sofa and the dogs are snoozing. I may summon the energy to re-arrange my sock drawer in a little while. If I don't, I am pretty sure my wife think of something else. She's pretty good at that, and usually the stuff she thinks up for me to do needs doing, so I can't complain.

I did my sock drawer last week and feel very pleased with myself.  My wife didn't tell me to do it.  I'm still working on the video from our vacation in California and Las Vegas.  That was last December.   

[Alan Klein]

 

I could if I wanted too I guess, but I find it is rarely worth it in either the short or long run. I guess sometimes I do. I'm not perfect.

We're on page 149.  Just a reminder.  We'll all have to detox when Jeremy shuts us down.