US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[faberryman]

What flavor of kook aid is your favorite?

It is against my interest to do so, but I recommend that you call Giuliani and tell him to get his head out of his ass and open the briefcase. You are running out of time.

[Alan Klein]

Here's some more inconvenient information for the Trumplets to ignore: 700 economists including seven Nobel winners, are urging Trump's defeat.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/economy/economists-oppose-trump-election/index.html

Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration. Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades.  His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.   

[faberryman]

The plot thickens.

I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in in to testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?

[Craig Lamson]

I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobonski guy to come in into testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is.? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?

He sent the senate a big ole pile of information.  You really need to try and stay up to speed.

[Craig Lamson]

It is against my interest to do so, but I recommend that you tell Giuliani to get his head out of his ass and open the briefcase. You are running out of time.

No we are not, just because the MSM is trying their darnest to keep a lid on this it is still coming out.  Watch the Wall Street Journal. 

[Manoli]

Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration. Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades.  His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.   

Not ezactly.

[PeterAit]

Most of the economists who signed are Democrats who will be looking for jobs in a Democrat Biden administration.

And you know this ... how? You don't of course, just another in an endless list of excuses for Cheeto.

Trump's economy before Covid was the strongest in decades.  His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites.

This has been explained about 50,000 times - all that you say is false or misleading. Figuring that the 50,001st time won't make a difference, I will not bother. But if you're happy believing this claptrap, I would not want to spoil your fun.

[Alan Klein]

I may have missed it. Has Ron Johnson called this Bobulinski guy to come in into testify before his committee. I can't remember which one it is? He said he was going to call in Twitter, Facebook, and the FBI. When are the hearings set for?

Bobulinski apparently is an ex-Navy guy who's donated to many Democratic campaigns and was involved in business deals with the Bidens. 

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs confirmed that it has reached out to Tony Bobulinski regarding his connection to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

https://www.newsweek.com/senate-committee-looking-tony-bobulinski-after-allegations-hunter-bidens-business-partner-1541390

[TechTalk]

So you want us to believe that VP Biden got the prosecutor fired because he was not doing his job investigating Burisma, the company Hunter Biden was getting millions from, so that Ukraine would install a prosecutor that would do a better job investigating Hunter's Burisma. 

That is the reality. It requires a willful ideological blindness to facts to believe otherwise. Of course within the U.S. and EU governments and world financial institutions, discussions and criticism related to Shokin's massive and widespread corruption, wasn't limited to only Burisma.

Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.

[Alan Klein]

Not ezactly.

Yes exactly.  None of your graphs disprove my statement which I'll repeat for convenience:

His tax legislation added jobs and wealth to the nation, reduced inefficient regulations, boosted stock markets to their highest ever, and brought unemployment to the lowest level ever for blacks and other minorities as well as whites. 

[faberryman]

He sent the senate a big ole pile of information.  You really need to try and stay up to speed.

I read where he said he was going to, but I don't know if he has gotten around to it yet. Did Ron Johnson say he's gotten it? I admit I may have missed it if he did.

[TechTalk]

What flavor of kook aid is your favorite?

Whatever the Republicans are drinking as it seems to rev their engines into overdrive trying to hold onto power by whatever means they can conjure up.

[Alan Klein]

That is the reality. It requires a willful ideological blindness to facts to believe otherwise. Of course within the U.S. and EU governments and world financial institutions, discussions and criticism related to Shokin's massive and widespread corruption, wasn't limited to only Burisma.

Do you believe that as Vice-President with no political power of his own, Joe Biden was somehow capable of manipulating the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch, the European Union, the IMF, the World Bank, Ukrainian anticorruption groups, and the citizens of Ukraine in their pressing for the removal of a notoriously corrupt prosecutor? Where did that kind of incredible power come from? It appears that you do, as we have already been down this ridiculous and well trodden path before.

Money talks.  BS walks. The IMF, World Bank, EU, etc were impotent.  It was America that was holding back $1 billion dollars that the Ukrainian government desperately needed, I think for arms.  It was Biden who told them to fire Shokin or they won't get the money.  And they did, within hours. He bragged about that publicly.  Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

[faberryman]

Bobulinski apparently is an ex-Navy guy who's donated to many Democratic campaigns and was involved in business deals with the Bidens. 

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs confirmed that it has reached out to Tony Bobulinski regarding his connection to Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

https://www.newsweek.com/senate-committee-looking-tony-bobulinski-after-allegations-hunter-bidens-business-partner-1541390

So the Senate Committee "has reached out". Well, you have to start somewhere I guess. What's the time frame for getting to the bottom of this?

[TechTalk]

It was Biden who told them to fire Shokin or they won't get the money.  And they did, within hours. He bragged about that publicly.

So you also believe that Biden corruptly, through some mysterious hidden political power of his own, controlled the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that was actually pursuing corruption cases, and then went and publicly bragged about it. For what reason? To show off this mysterious power that you believe that he had? You're living in a pure fantasy ideological dream world. You just ignore all of the pressure coming from many countries and financial institutions as that doesn't fit inside the bubble.

Money talks.  BS walks. The IMF, World Bank, EU, etc were impotent.  It was America that was holding back $1 billion dollars that the Ukrainian government desperately needed, I think for arms.

Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking. The IMF was threatening to withhold $40 Billion dollars of financial aid during this time period. The U.S. $1 Billion loan guarantee was a drop in the bucket by comparison. And the $1 Billion from the U.S. was a loan guarantee, not an arms deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/imf-warns-ukraine-halt-40bn-bailout-corruption-christine-lagarde

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/

[faberryman]

Watch the Wall Street Journal.

Okay. I checked today's WSJ and didn't see anything other than confirmation that the Senate Judicial Committee has authorized subpoenas for Facebook and Twitter. Apparently my subscription has expired, so I couldn't read the whole story to find out when they were scheduled to testify. I'll check again tomorrow.

[Peter McLennan]

Your complete lack of knowledge regarding anything related to this topic is breathtaking.

The recommended interpretation is that the word "your" be taken as the plural usage.

I'm reminded of bricks and calculus, but at least bricks aren't intransigent. 

[Craig Lamson]

Whatever the Republicans are drinking as it seems to rev their engines into overdrive trying to hold onto power by whatever means they can conjure up.

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Yea, the Democrats don’t engage in anything like that at all.
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[JoeKitchen]

What I want to know ... did adults back in the 1980s actually think that space trvael could ever be like commercial jet travel? 

Watching the new Netflix doc on the Challenger and it is beyond me that anyone would actually think strapping multi-ton rockets on a small ship would ever be near the safety requirements for planes.  I would love to go into space, but would be fully aware that my chances of dying WHENEVER are higher then average. 

[TechTalk]

But worse than that for Joe Biden was that he used his position of VP to get the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma

Shokin is old news

Apparently Allan disagrees.

but you are right it’s a valiant attempt by Wilfred to try and change the subject. 

Just trying to introduce some facts into the discussion started by Allan's erroneous belief as expressed in his comment.

Too bad he failed miserably.

Don't look now, but your insecurities are showing.