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Who do you think will be sworn in as President on Jan. 21?

Biden
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2360 on: October 16, 2020, 12:59:49 pm »

I see the analogy and certainly understand the critique. 

But the severe increase in suicide and attempted suicide amongst teenagers, not to mention increased depression rates, really make social media a different beast.  Young kids are in a constant battle to think they need to get likes on everything they do, and when they dont or, worse, when they get twitter mobbed, they lack the maturity to handle it. 
But it has gone way beyond just social media as Gamergate has shown.  Maybe the whole Internet needs to be shut down.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2361 on: October 16, 2020, 12:59:58 pm »

The Washington Post has an equal number of conservative op-ed columnists as liberal ones.  Unfortunately for the Trumpistas most of them are revolted by Trump (George Will, Michael Gerson, and Jenifer Rubin come immediately to mind and even Libertarian Megan McCardle is disgusted).
Who cares what their opinions are in the Op-Ed section?  Their bias is in the news section. 

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« Reply #2362 on: October 16, 2020, 01:00:38 pm »

Nobody is forced to use social media.  Other than LinkedIn (and I have gotten consulting work from contacts there) I don't use any of the others.

If a Biden presidency is the same as James Buchanan it will be a couple of orders of magnitude better than Trump.

Really, because I fail to remember any wars in the last 4 years, let alone a civil war. 

I mean even Obama had to have his war in Libya, without approval btw. 
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2363 on: October 16, 2020, 01:01:14 pm »

We had less evidence concerning Russia, and we got a 2 year investigation to find out it was a complete hoax by HRC. 

So, why not apply that standard here?
I think the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee arrived at a different conclusion than you did.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2364 on: October 16, 2020, 01:02:33 pm »

Who cares what their opinions are in the Op-Ed section?  Their bias is in the news section.
Because they are calling out lies?  The Washington Post fact check group goes after all of them Democrats and Republicans.  the problem you have is that the President has real problems telling the truth.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2365 on: October 16, 2020, 01:02:47 pm »

But it has gone way beyond just social media as Gamergate has shown.  Maybe the whole Internet needs to be shut down.

And maybe, just maybe, you can learn how not to be patronizing and actually take the issue seriously.

Children are killing themselves in much larger numbers.  Does that not concern you? 

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« Reply #2366 on: October 16, 2020, 01:05:26 pm »

I think the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee arrived at a different conclusion than you did.

And the recent release of documents shows that HRC created the story to take away attention from her email scandal, and nearly everyone in the White House knew about this.  Not to mention the only source was a person whom was known to be a Russian spy. 
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« Reply #2367 on: October 16, 2020, 01:05:56 pm »

I have documentation from a very highly paid doctor to show that my real name has bone spurs; so it's exempt. However, it does retain the neccessary mobility to wander into the alternate universe to observe and comment.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2368 on: October 16, 2020, 01:07:21 pm »

I see the analogy and certainly understand the critique. 

But the severe increase in suicide and attempted suicide amongst teenagers, not to mention increased depression rates, really make social media a different beast.  Young kids are in a constant battle to think they need to get likes on everything they do, and when they dont or, worse, when they get twitter mobbed, they lack the maturity to handle it. 

Sadly this does stop with just kids. 

Just this week a man shot a 6 minute video of him fending off a mountain lion.  Sure, it made for a viral video, but at what expense?  If he had tripped, because he was distracted from using his phone, that cat could have easily pounced and ripped out his throat, which is how cats kill things.  If he bled out and then we saw that 6 minute video, we would have all thought "what a jack ass, he should have put his phone down concentrated on not getting killed."  He is no less a jack ass because he survived. 
You're right.  He took a big chance.  But I learned from watching the video that throwing a few big rocks at them will scare away a mountain lion, not that there are too many around here in NJ.  But I suppose that will work with dangerous dogs or coyote which are here.  The rocks didn;t piss it off but chased it off. 

On the other hand, it didn't look like full size yet.  Or it could have just been protecting young not looking for prey.  So rocks might not work with a large hungry lion that usually stalks in secret and gets you before you can snap a picture.  :)

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2369 on: October 16, 2020, 01:09:19 pm »

I have documentation from a very highly paid doctor to show that my real name has bone spurs; so it's exempt. However, it does retain the neccessary mobility to wander into the alternate universe to observe and comment.

 ;D

If Joe DiMaggio can play baseball with bone spurs, your name should be strong enough to make an appearance from time to time. 
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2370 on: October 16, 2020, 01:20:07 pm »

In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.

In the alternate universe, it's naturally important because... reasons.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2371 on: October 16, 2020, 01:33:53 pm »

In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.
George Eliot and B Traven quickly come to mind.
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« Reply #2372 on: October 16, 2020, 01:38:08 pm »

In the real world it doesn't matter. Use of a pen name doesn't change an author's words.

In the alternate universe, it's naturally important because... reasons.

Forum rules? 

It does state in the forum rules to use your actual name in your user name.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2373 on: October 16, 2020, 01:59:57 pm »

Refer to me as Samuel Langhorne if it makes it easier for you to digest what I write.
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« Reply #2374 on: October 16, 2020, 02:04:09 pm »

The Washington Post has an equal number of conservative op-ed columnists as liberal ones.  Unfortunately for the Trumpistas most of them are revolted by Trump (George Will, Michael Gerson, and Jenifer Rubin come immediately to mind and even Libertarian Megan McCardle is disgusted).

Jenifer Ruben! ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!   
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« Reply #2375 on: October 16, 2020, 02:08:40 pm »

I was out of pocket most of the day yesterday, so I am trying to catch up. I've been checking my newsfeed and there is nothing about the Hunter Biden story other than the original article in the New York Post and an article saying the CEO of Tweeter apologized for doing whatever he did.  Zip. Zilch. Nada. Fox News is covering Trump's speech to seniors in Florida. I figured they would have the whole afternoon blocked off with special coverage and panels of experts. Is the news cycle so short it has already blown over?
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2376 on: October 16, 2020, 02:10:05 pm »

Now I'll speak for us.
What we do want is sensible people. People who surround themselves with true experts and listen to them. People who rely on science even when the answers don't suit their agenda.
People who are calculated and not impulsive in their words and actions because they realize there are bigger issues at play than their fragile egos. People who don't unnecessarily put themselves or others at risk to simply try to score political points through phony macho bravado.
This is what we want. I'm hopefully optimistic the election will prove that this is what we want and the next 4 years will prove that was a good choice.

You are not WE.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2377 on: October 16, 2020, 02:11:31 pm »

Forum rules? 

It does state in the forum rules to use your actual name in your user name.

Rules are only for the little folk Joe, you should know better.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2378 on: October 16, 2020, 02:11:44 pm »

I was out of pocket most of the day yesterday, so I am trying to catch up. I've been checking my newsfeed and there is nothing about the Hunter Biden story other than the original article in the New York Post and an article saying the CEO of Tweeter apologized for doing whatever he did.  Zip. Zilch. Nada. Is the news cycle so short it has already blown over?
They're protecting Biden and going after Trump.  All fake news.

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« Reply #2379 on: October 16, 2020, 02:29:45 pm »

There actually is no forum rule that requires use of a real name or prohibiting pseudonyms. The complaints regarding my name are used to distract, deflect, or diminish by those that don't like what I write. There's always the option to just ignore any information that doesn't fit inside whatever bubble you choose.
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