US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[John Camp]

It is not the campaign mode that drains the life force out of you; it is the idiots campaigning. And their supporters.

Front page headline in the Santa Fe New Mexican yesterday:

State House candidate ‘not proud’ of past work in porn

[John Camp]

Golf carts are for wussies. If you can't carry your bag 18 holes you shouldn't be playing. The exception is if you are playing at the end of the day with one of your children. Kids love to drive the cart.

A little over generalizing, aren't we? My carry bag weighs about 25 pounds when loaded with clubs, balls, etc. I'm 76 years old, my golf club is at 7,500 feet above sea level, and it's in the foothills of the Rockies. Very few people carry.

[Craig Lamson]

You originally receive a 1-Y from them and in my case it was followed up about three months later by a 4-F designation.  I still have the cards.  Don't try to play cute with this if you have no first hand knowledge.

Play cute?  Cut the crap Alan.  He is listed as 1-Y and unless you have better data thats where it stands.  Deal with it.

[Craig Lamson]

I wish both sides would remove their pork. I don't like how they all do that. Whitehouse renovations and new FBI headquarters need their own bills too.
But I still think people who need relief will get more after the election when Trump and his enablers are no longer in power.

That remains to be seen.

[faberryman]

A little over generalizing, aren't we? My carry bag weighs about 25 pounds when loaded with clubs, balls, etc. I'm 76 years old, my golf club is at 7,500 feet above sea level, and it's in the foothills of the Rockies. Very few people carry.

I'll make an exception for you.  I used to go to Denver every year for a trade show. I had a headache the whole time I was there. Never stayed long enough to acclimate to the thin air.

[MattBurt]

That remains to be seen.

Agreed! Not time to get complacent before we cross the line. Be sure to vote!

[Alan Goldhammer]

Play cute?  Cut the crap Alan.  He is listed as 1-Y and unless you have better data thats where it stands.  Deal with it.

I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience.  How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then.  I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games. 

[faberryman]

I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience.  How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then.  I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games.

Biden was classified 1-Y in 1968. They removed the classification 1-Y in December 1971. Thereafter, you were classified 4-F. Trump was classified 4-F in 1972.

I hope that resolves this issue of national importance.

That being said, I think Biden is more likely to have had childhood asthma than Trump is to have had bone spurs in his feet, but I realize that some people believe anything and everything that Trump says, and so will have a different opinion.

[Robert Roaldi]

Front page headline in the Santa Fe New Mexican yesterday:

State House candidate ‘not proud’ of past work in porn

He might be future Supreme Court material. (Cheap shot.)

Wonder if he knows Stormy Daniels.

[Craig Lamson]

I have no idea what your point is, I only told you of my experience.  How can you defend President Trump's bone spurs which might just have been artifacts on the X-Ray which was quite common back then.  I had a good friend who got out because of the same thing and I know they never interfered with his basketball and volleyball games.

I'm not defending anyone.  That war sucked and anyone who found a way to get out of it got lucky.  I was 322 in 1971.

[Craig Lamson]

Biden was classified 1-Y in 1968. They removed the classification 1-Y in December 1971. Thereafter, you were classified 4-F. Trump was classified 4-F in 1972.

I hope that resolves this issue of national importance.

That being said, I think Biden is more likely to have had childhood asthma than Trump to have had bone spurs in his feet, but I realize that some people believe anything and everything that Trump says, and so will have a different opinion.

Thanks for new information.  As I told Alan I have zero problem with anyone finding a way out of going to Nam.  But then again I had not yet grown up back then and I was still a liberal.

People like to make a big deal of Trrump not serving, but considering since Clinton was President, Bush the second was the only President to serve.  Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.

[Alan Klein]

Thanks for new information.  As I told Alan I have zero problem with anyone finding a way out of going to Nam.  But then again I had not yet grown up back then and I was still a liberal.

People like to make a big deal of Trrump not serving, but considering since Clinton was President, Bush the second was the only President to serve.  Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.

That's OK.  If you weren't a liberal at 18, you had no heart.  If you still were a liberal at 38, you'd have no brain. 

[faberryman]

Given the public outcry*, Pence has agreed to have a plexiglass barrier on his side of the stage as well.

*Actually, there wasn’t really a public outcry; it was more like everyone was saying: “What an idiot.”

[chez]

Trump knows he won't get any credit for a stimulus deal, so instead of helping everyday Americans, he'll just stall. He obviously won't do anything as a lame duck. He wouldn't get anything out of it. His executive action flurry in August didn't help him because it was a nothing burger, and everyone knew it. The only thing it proved was that he could scribble his name with a sharpie. A real class act.

Didn't Trump prove that again the other day signing a blank page for his photo OP? Amazing how vain one can be.

[MattBurt]

Didn't Trump prove that again the other day signing a blank page for his photo OP? Amazing how vain one can be.

Yeah but Obama didn't stop people from calling the ACA Obamacare and is therefore an egomaniac!

[TechTalk]

Retired United States Air Force four-star general and former Director of the National Security Agency and former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Michael Hayden has endorsed Joe Biden. He made a video explaining his reasons.

https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/hayden-endorses-biden-says-trump-doesnt-care-about-facts

[BernardLanguillier]

Now if Biden somehow wins we can add another.

Isn’t that by far the most likely scenario?

As a Republican voter not interested in the politics of the Republican party you should support him, Biden is much closer to Republican values than Trump is.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Robert Roaldi]

Here's a very informative podcast interview (and transcript) from NPR's Fresh Air, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts.

The lead blurb from the podcast: "Forbes magazine investigative journalist Dan Alexander has pored over business records, mortgage documents and government reports — and even staked out some Trump properties — to assemble a detailed picture of the president's business interests. He says the president has broken a number of pledges he made about how he would conduct business while in office."

There are numerous interesting take-aways. One is that Trump actually seems to be an actual billionaire, worth between 1 and 2 billion, according to the author's research. This is less than what Trump claims, but he has run successful businesses as well as many unsuccessful business. But the idea that he simply inherited his money is not solely true, he has parlayed that inheritance into real profits. The consensus is though that he has been unquestionably unethical in his business dealings. The main thrust of the story is that he has flaunted previous conventions about separating personal business and the country's business, with the author implying that this was done to Trump's personal benefit. Several instances were given of specific actions. The descriptions of how much work is required to uncover this information is fascinating in itself.

[Alan Klein]

Here's a very informative podcast interview (and transcript) from NPR's Fresh Air, https://www.npr.org/2020/09/22/915609582/white-house-inc-author-trump-s-businesses-offer-a-million-potential-conflicts.

The lead blurb from the podcast: "Forbes magazine investigative journalist Dan Alexander has pored over business records, mortgage documents and government reports — and even staked out some Trump properties — to assemble a detailed picture of the president's business interests. He says the president has broken a number of pledges he made about how he would conduct business while in office."

There are numerous interesting take-aways. One is that Trump actually seems to be an actual billionaire, worth between 1 and 2 billion, according to the author's research. This is less than what Trump claims, but he has run successful businesses as well as many unsuccessful business. But the idea that he simply inherited his money is not solely true, he has parlayed that inheritance into real profits. The consensus is though that he has been unquestionably unethical in his business dealings. The main thrust of the story is that he has flaunted previous conventions about separating personal business and the country's business, with the author implying that this was done to Trump's personal benefit. Several instances were given of specific actions. The descriptions of how much work is required to uncover this information is fascinating in itself.

If Trump's  been using his office to enrich himself, he's done a very poor job of it.  He now worth $1.2 billion less than when he became president.  It seem Biden's done better for himself now worth tens of millions, not bad for a guy who worked for the government for 45 years. The Clintons did better worth hundreds of millions, most of it earned during Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State selling influence.

[Robert Roaldi]

If Trump's  been using his office to enrich himself, he's done a very poor job of it.  He now worth $1.2 billion less than when he became president.  It seem Biden's done better for himself now worth tens of millions, not bad for a guy who worked for the government for 45 years. The Clintons did better worth hundreds of millions, most of it earned during Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State selling influence.

You didn't listen to it, did you.