US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[TechTalk]

Falsehoods are in the eye of the beholder.

Opinions are in the eye of the beholder. Falsehoods remain false regardless of the eye or the beholder.

Unless of course your reason has been replaced with ideology; in which case, everything that fits your ideology is true and everything that doesn't is false. There are no limits to which one will go to rationalize falsehoods to be true in that scenario.

[Alan Klein]

I like the other expression that says opinions are like a$$holes.  Everyone's got one and they all stink. 

[TechTalk]

There are no limits to which one will go to rationalize falsehoods to be true in that scenario.

And when that fails... distract, deflect, distort, or diminish.

[Manoli]

Falsehoods are in the eye of the beholder.

Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.

Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h

[James Clark]

Just for you James

Punches thrown over passenger who won't wear mask on airplane.

An argument over face masks turned physical on an Allegiant Airlines flight from Mesa, Ariz., to Provo, Utah, on Saturday.

A passenger on the flight was wearing a face shield and a flight attendant asked him to wear a face mask as well, KSL TV reported. Allegiant’s policy is that face shields must be worn in addition to a face covering, not as an alternative.
https://thehill.com/homenews/519655-punches-thrown-over-passenger-who-wont-wear-mask-on-airplane

SMH.  Dude was being escorted off the plane, problem solved.  The heckler should have shut up, the guy (I assume, could be a woman I guess) should have just put on the mask.  What a colossal waste of time all around for the other passengers that just wanted to get the flight over with.

[James Clark]

What's with that? Is he unable to stand at a lectern for 90 minutes. I mean he can lean on it if he wants. Maybe he has low blood pressure and is afraid of fainting. Elastic hosiery should take care of that. I am still wondering if his wife is going to sit with him on stage. Maybe he has gotten special dispensation to go it alone since there will now be 12 feet and a plexiglass shield between him and Harris. I am not really up on those rules. Anyone?

He's arguing about the plexiglass shield too, for some bizarre reason.

[James Clark]

Trump shut down negotiations for a stimulus package promising that when he wins, he'll get all the out of work people and small businesses all the help they need.  Makes sense.  He flipped Democrats actual plans to really not want to give the money to out of work people who will vote against Trump.  Now, he'll complaint they just wanted to give money to those rich people in NY and California  when Trump and Republicans want to get the regular people the money.

Oh yeah.  It's a total genius move to announce that you're deliberately tanking the economy for 60 days in order to blackmail the electorate into voting for you.

[Craig Lamson]

Oh yeah.  It's a total genius move to announce that you're deliberately tanking the economy for 60 days in order to blackmail the electorate into voting for you.

Pelosi has no intention of moving.  Pass a few clean bills.  Quit playing games.  This has been going on for months with no resolution in sight.  A pox on both of their houses. 

[James Clark]

Pelosi has no intention of moving.  Pass a few clean bills.  Quit playing games.  This has been going on for months with no resolution in sight.  A pox on both of their houses.

Agree 100% that they should all be willing to pass some clean bills here to help the country.

[TechTalk]

Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.

Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h

Thanks. A timeline of actions, inaction, and statements well worth watching.

[Robert Roaldi]

Led By Donkeys is a British political campaign group which uses satire to call out what they call "thermonuclear hypocrisy". Originally targeting the UK, now turning their attention to the other side of the Atlantic.

Their short (9-minute) diary on Trump and his Covid-19 journey.
(tap the screen for sound-on)

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CGAI9EqnQBi/?igshid=7auc6hq3s58h

Thank you, never heard of Led by Donkeys till now.

[Robert Roaldi]

I like the other expression that says opinions are like a$$holes.  Everyone's got one and they all stink.

Cute but not really true is it. Some opinions are correct, others aren't.

[Craig Lamson]

Cute but not really true is it. Some opinions are correct, others aren't.

Some people don’t have a$$holes.

[LesPalenik]

Thanks. A timeline of actions, inaction, and statements well worth watching.

Couldn't agree more. No satire, a very serious video.

[Jeremy Roussak]

I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 

Sadly, Russ, this is indeed what passes for "informed debate".

Jeremy

[TechTalk]

I'm sure glad this is "informed debate." I'd hate to see what "ignorant debate" looks like. 

Sadly, Russ, this is indeed what passes for "informed debate".

Jeremy

While I'm sure that there is much worthy of criticism here, when presented in such a vague manner the critique tends to sound more condescending than informed.

[William Walker]

Further to Alan thinking that he knows how the rest of the world views Trump's antics, this link from a South African news outlet and speaks, I would think, for a large number of people everywhere.

It is an "appeal to the overwhelming majority of good and rights-loving people in the USA to use the last month before the election to campaign and to vote to advance the best interests of all the people in the USA and the world."

In case you want to dismiss this as "left-wing liberal" I include FactCheck's assesment of the Daily Maverick.

(I also realise that posting this here is probably a waste of time... )

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-10-07-letter-to-american-voters-vote-for-all-our-rights/

[Alan Klein]

If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age,  vote for Biden.  Nice guy but not up to the challenge.

[Robert Roaldi]

If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age,  vote for Biden.  Nice guy but not up to the challenge.

Well at least American banks would lend him money, more than you can say for the opponent.

Your "socialist panic" warnings are sounding more and more shrill, you know.

[BernardLanguillier]

If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age,  vote for Biden.  Nice guy but not up to the challenge.

- socialist: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him socialist. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- physically challenged guy: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him physically challenged. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- loosing his mental faculty: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump says he is loosing his mental faculties. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?

Cheers,
Bernard