US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[BernardLanguillier]

Trump shut down negotiations for a stimulus package promising that when he wins, he'll get all the out of work people and small businesses all the help they need.  Makes sense.  He flipped Democrats actual plans to really not want to give the money to out of work people who will vote against Trump.  Now, he'll complaint they just wanted to give money to those rich people in NY and California  when Trump and Republicans want to get the regular people the money.

I have been literally laughing out loud for 30 seconds after reading this.

Trump would want to give money to regular people.

On what kind of drugs are you Alan? Trump has done everything he could for nearly 4 years to help the super rich get richer. He has done nothing for regular Americans. He doesn't care the least bit about regular Americans, just like he doesn't care about war veterans. For him "regular" and "sucker" are synonyms.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Alan Klein]

- socialist: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him socialist. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- physically challenged guy: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump calls him physically challenged. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?
- loosing his mental faculty: the only element supporting this theory is that Trump says he is loosing his mental faculties. Since you admit that Trump lies all the time you shouldn't believe him on this point right?

Cheers,
Bernard

Biden's conversion to the left and his decrease in mental ability comes from Biden himself.  I've been watching him since the days when put hair plugs in his head and plagiarized other person's speeches.

[Robert Roaldi]

The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?  When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?

[BernardLanguillier]

Biden's conversion to the left and his decrease in mental ability comes from Biden himself.  I've been watching him since the days when put hair plugs in his head and plagiarized other person's speeches.

Even if that were true and if Biden did absolutely nothing it would still do a lot less damage than Trump.

Besides if you were to convince the world that you are right the message would remain that you vote more against Biden than for Trump. And that is more telling than any spelled out argument. Even the most hard core fan isn’t really one.

Cheers,
Bernard

[faberryman]

The clowns at the White House can't even keep their lies straight about whether Trump was in the Oval Office or the residence yesterday. It doesn't matter whether he was in the Oval Office or the residence yesterday. What does matter is their lying about it. Just like they lie about everything else. Day in, day out, 24/7, non-stop.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/kudlow-refuses-to-say-whether-trump-wore-a-mask-in-return-to-oval-office.html

[MattBurt]

I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.

[Craig Lamson]

Given the poliitcal discussion as to wearing masks I thought it might be informative to post a chart of mask effectivness.

[faberryman]

I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.

Trump knows he won't get any credit for a stimulus deal, so instead of helping everyday Americans, he'll just stall. He obviously won't do anything as a lame duck. He wouldn't get anything out of it. His executive action flurry in August didn't help him because it was a nothing burger, and everyone knew it. The only thing it proved was that he could scribble his name with a sharpie. A real class act.

[James Clark]

The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?  When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?

Honestly, it's exhausting.  With my background in history, it's also fascinating, sort of like the train wreck you see coming from afar.

[Craig Lamson]

The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?  When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?

Its beyond stupid. Its every two years for the House Reps. But it is what it is.

[Craig Lamson]

I think we will get a better stimulus deal after the election anyway with a lot of new blood in government.
But some people won't be able to hold on that long and it's so heartless of him to do this to them. I'm not one bit surprised.

If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing couldchave passed months ago.  Its all political for her IMO.  They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.

[faberryman]

Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?

It is not the campaign mode that drains the life force out of you; it is the idiots campaigning. And their supporters.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Oh yea, it had to be the rules...you bet.

Biden was 1-Y, had a "history" of Asthma as a teenager.

You originally receive a 1-Y from them and in my case it was followed up about three months later by a 4-F designation.  I still have the cards.  Don't try to play cute with this if you have no first hand knowledge.

[Alan Goldhammer]

If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age,  vote for Biden.  Nice guy but not up to the challenge.

You might want to take another look at President Trump walking down the ramp at the West Point graduation ceremonies.  You might also ask yourself why he always uses a golf cart when he plays.

[Alan Klein]

If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing ouldhave passed months ago.  Its all political for her IMO.  They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.

Trump's initial instincts are correct. Democrats don't want a deal. They want the unemployed to go into the voting booth still unemployed and still without any money coming from the government so they vote against Trump. They'll wait for after the election to make a deal. Or wait until 2021 when they can give all that money to their friends in the broke Democrat states who are running out of pension money.

[MattBurt]

If Pelosi were open to removing the pork from her bill this thing ouldhave passed months ago.  Its all political for her IMO.  They cna pass the clean bills to help people and they could get it done this week if they wanted to do that.

I wish both sides would remove their pork. I don't like how they all do that. Whitehouse renovations and new FBI headquarters need their own bills too.
But I still think people who need relief will get more after the election when Trump and his enablers are no longer in power.

[MattBurt]

If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age,  vote for Biden.  Nice guy but not up to the challenge.

How about instead of the next presidential debate they can have a race instead? Running or biking. Shoot, even walking so the obese guy can participate. 
In fact I bet Joe could win if he was running and Trump was on the bike. Trump probably can't ride a bike and if you look at him it's not hard to image he can't run either.

But I'd still prefer Biden even if he was the fat slob of the two. But I'm glad he isn't.

Left leaning would be good too but I'll settle for Biden's centrist politics because that is what we have to choose from.

[faberryman]

You might want to take another look at President Trump walking down the ramp at the West Point graduation ceremonies.  You might also ask yourself why he always uses a golf cart when he plays.

Who drinks water using two hands? Maybe he needs a sippy cup. Honestly, I wasn’t sure he was going to make it to the top of the stairs the other night. He was wandering. It was obvious he could barely breathe. And it looks like he has gained a lot of weight. Did you see the size of his jacket. Not exactly the picture of health even before COVID.

Golf carts are for wussies. If you can't carry your bag 18 holes you shouldn't be playing. The exception is if you are playing at the end of the day with one of your children. Kids love to drive the cart.

[TechTalk]

Some people don’t have a$$holes.

That would be one explanation for Trump's strange facial color and what we hear expelled from his mouth. However, my best guess is that the former is simply bad makeup and the latter the result of malignant narcissism propelled by deep rooted insecurity.

[John Camp]

The sparring on this thread is sometimes entertaining and occasionally informative, but I have a question for American contributors. Does the permanent election campaign mode of US public life drain the life force out of you?  When we have elections in Canada, the campaign lasts 30-60 days and even that seems too long. Sure, there is sparring between elections by the parties but that mostly takes place in the context of Parliamentary legislative debates, and they don't dominate the news cycle. But no sooner is a Presidential election finished that you start to see articles about what has to be done to be re-elected 4 years later, and who will be the successor in 8 years time. How can you stand it?

We ignore it. You don't actually have to watch this sh*t, you know; you have a choice. Political junkies may pay attention, but most people don't. Pretty much like Canada.