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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1460 on: September 09, 2020, 01:13:18 pm »

As for the electoral college, a column in the Washington Post (I think -- I also read the Times and the WSJ) points out that Texas is slowly moving toward becoming a Democratic-leaning state. It will be close this time, close in 2024, but the change seems to be almost inevitable...it's been moving that way for years, as older people die off and people who are younger swing the vote totals. In any case, the column points out that if Texas becomes Democratic, the Republicans may never again win a presidential race.
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« Reply #1461 on: September 09, 2020, 01:16:09 pm »

Well, that is a howler alright.  OTOH, it's only a nomination, not a done deal yet.

If the Peace one doesn't work out, are there any others he'd quality for, Medicine, Physics, or something?  :)

Curing the common cold?  Hey, it is a corona virus, and research is showing anti-bodies for common colds are working against C-19.  So I'd expect it to work in reverse too. 

But anyway, yes it is only a nomination, but at this point, Trump has two major peace deals under his belt, in only the last couple of weeks.  Israel & the UAE and Serbia & Kosovo are both pretty bid deals.

As usual though, the reporters made asses of themselves.  They insisted on asking the gay white official who announced the deal instead about Trump's dealings with gays then about Serbia & Kosovo.  Thankfully, Ric Grenell slapped the reporter down. 
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1462 on: September 09, 2020, 07:22:58 pm »

Nice to see your M. O. has not changed, attack the person instead of the argument. 

I believe there is a Latin phrase for that.

As i’ve pointed out before, if you go by the standards used in 2009, it’s impossible to argue against this without serious TDS.

Again, you are showing your inability to think outside a box made up of Republicans and Democrats.

I don't think that the 2009 standards are right and I have never written anywhere that I thought the Nobel Prize of Obama was deserved. I think it wasn't. Or, to be more accurate, I think it was too early. Overall it's probably deserved and Obama was a reasonable candidate in the mind of many people inside and outside the US.

But proposing Trump for Peace Nobel prize is so insane that you cannot help but wonder who proposed it. Because it is coming from someone right? This is not a proposal coming out of nature due to the naturally peaceful nature of Trump. He is the exact opposite of someone promoting peace. He is all about hatred and division.

By the way, the fact that an open democratic system is used to propose Peace Nobel prize candidates is a beautiful analogy for the weakness of democracy when cheaters like Trump come into play.

If you think of it for a few seconds, you realize the incredible irony here. Anyone can figure out that Trump isn't a serious candidate for Peace Nobel prize and he is never going to be selected by the good people of the Nobel selection team. Similarly, he isn't a credible candidate for Nobel Prize just like he isn't a serious candidate for re-election.

The only thing this proposal does is to expose the fraudulous nature of his bid for re-election (note that I haven't written illegal).

The analogy goes farther... look at who proposed him for re-election as President... HIM-SELF...

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1463 on: September 09, 2020, 07:29:49 pm »

As for the electoral college, a column in the Washington Post (I think -- I also read the Times and the WSJ) points out that Texas is slowly moving toward becoming a Democratic-leaning state. It will be close this time, close in 2024, but the change seems to be almost inevitable...it's been moving that way for years, as older people die off and people who are younger swing the vote totals. In any case, the column points out that if Texas becomes Democratic, the Republicans may never again win a presidential race.

Considering what they are doing with Trump, the Republicans, as they have chosen to become what they have become, don't stand a chance to win a fair election that isn't rigged.

Trump knows it and that's why he is planning to trick the current election or not to admit defeat if he looses.

The only tactics that he hopes may work is to tell the world that the opposition is the Devil made man. Joe Biden, whose past policies can only be described as right winged by WW standards, would have become all of a sudden a crazy socialist. The insane part here is that some Trump supporters, although they know he lies all the time (and some here have been telling us time and again that what he is saying should not be given too much attention), choose to believe him on this point. Talk about self deception.

That did work in France when Macron managed to position the extreme right leader Marie Le Pen in second position of the first round of the French Presidential election after comploting to eliminate his only true rival. But Le Pen had always been an extreme right winged person. Although she was trying to position her self more centrally, she was suffering from her past mistakes.

But Biden doesn't have such a history. He has always been very reasonably in the middle of the road and anyone looking at things objectively will know he is going to be the President of all Americans. Much more so than Trump who is only the President of the 25% of Americans who voted for him in 2016. I should say "claims to be" the president of the 25% who voted for him, because his actual policy is clearly favouring the rich and not the middle class white man.

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« Reply #1464 on: September 09, 2020, 07:53:44 pm »

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Curing the common cold?  Hey, it is a corona virus, and research is showing anti-bodies for common colds are working against C-19.  So I'd expect it to work in reverse too.

Thanks for all the GREAT data and insight.  You're an amazing resourse.  Keep up all the great work. 
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« Reply #1465 on: September 10, 2020, 12:28:19 am »

Here is a short but good presentation by the US president

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
 
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« Reply #1466 on: September 10, 2020, 07:03:27 am »

Again, you are showing your inability to think outside a box made up of Republicans and Democrats.

I don't think that the 2009 standards are right and I have never written anywhere that I thought the Nobel Prize of Obama was deserved. I think it wasn't. Or, to be more accurate, I think it was too early. Overall it's probably deserved and Obama was a reasonable candidate in the mind of many people inside and outside the US.

But proposing Trump for Peace Nobel prize is so insane that you cannot help but wonder who proposed it. Because it is coming from someone right? This is not a proposal coming out of nature due to the naturally peaceful nature of Trump. He is the exact opposite of someone promoting peace. He is all about hatred and division.

By the way, the fact that an open democratic system is used to propose Peace Nobel prize candidates is a beautiful analogy for the weakness of democracy when cheaters like Trump come into play.

If you think of it for a few seconds, you realize the incredible irony here. Anyone can figure out that Trump isn't a serious candidate for Peace Nobel prize and he is never going to be selected by the good people of the Nobel selection team. Similarly, he isn't a credible candidate for Nobel Prize just like he isn't a serious candidate for re-election.

The only thing this proposal does is to expose the fraudulous nature of his bid for re-election (note that I haven't written illegal).

The analogy goes farther... look at who proposed him for re-election as President... HIM-SELF...

Cheers,
Bernard

No Bernard, it is you that can not get out of the right vs. left mind set.  You are just projecting that onto me. 

You see, you brought up what side the person who made the nomination is on, and since it is so important to you, you just naturally projected those feelings onto me.  It is not important to me. 

I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel.  That is a big deal for peace in the region.  Not to mention Trump fundamentally changed the way we view the Middle East from focusing on Palestinians, which was always flawed, to focusing on commonalities between countries, such as combatting Iran.  It has even been suggested that the BDS movement is now dead due to this deal. 

And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace.  Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel. 

But once again, you show your severe TDS in your response and how it has filled you with so much hate you dont even entertain writing about the facts.  You just write about your own version hate against him. 


PS, after thinking about your post, what I find most disturbing is how you find democracy flawed, thus implying you support some form of totalitarianism so long as it confirms to your preferences.  That's a dangerous thought and to act on it in governing invariably leads to oppression. 

And what is wrong with someone saying they should be re-elected?  Every first term president, including Obama, makes the same claim. 
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« Reply #1467 on: September 10, 2020, 07:04:32 am »

Thanks for all the GREAT data and insight.  You're an amazing resourse.  Keep up all the great work.

Aww Hugh, thank you so much!  To be honest though, it's not too difficult to post anything above your intellect. 

FYI, I know liberals lost there sense of humor on Nov. 8, 2016, but at least, maybe, perhaps, in all seriousness, think, "maybe he was joking with this comment." 
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« Reply #1468 on: September 10, 2020, 10:20:16 am »

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Aww Hugh, thank you so much!  To be honest though, it's not too difficult to post anything above your intellect. 

You are a kind person.  Thank you. 
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« Reply #1469 on: September 10, 2020, 02:30:10 pm »

If four years of the nonstop Trump daily drama and 24/7 reality TV presidency has you felling a bit worn thin, you're not alone...

https://thenib.com/more-at-eleven/

And on a more expository note, the former spokesman for the Republican National Committee, Tim Miller has a new article today titled...

Bob Woodward and the Nihilism of “LOL Nothing Matters” Republicans

Real people are dying. Real people are hurting. And all of this matters.

https://thebulwark.com/bob-woodward-and-the-nihilism-of-lol-nothing-matters-republicans/

And there were those that saw it coming even before Trump took office...

https://www.lawfareblog.com/lol-nothing-matters-presidency
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« Reply #1470 on: September 10, 2020, 03:52:53 pm »

I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625. That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".
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« Reply #1471 on: September 10, 2020, 04:17:01 pm »

I think this post demonstrates the difficulty of trying to run a satire site these days, https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/09/trump-slams-bob-woodward-for-waiting-months-to-expose-his-lies-about-coronavirus/.

For those of you who are not familiar with The Beaverton, think of it as Canada's Onion.
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« Reply #1472 on: September 10, 2020, 05:03:05 pm »

I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625. That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".

Uh..this was not started by the Trump....look again.
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« Reply #1473 on: September 10, 2020, 05:19:04 pm »

I got a kick out of this lame "counter attack", https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/10/trump-counterattack-against-bob-woodward-411625. That's right up there with "the dog ate my homework".

You guys have a very limited memory.  Trump was upfront and open about exactly what Woodward is trying to sell as news. Back  months ago he told the same thing to asshat Jim Acosta in a live press conference.  He was not trying to panic the country, etc.  Lets also remember he had his expert scientists like Fauci out there every day telling Americans exactly what the virus was doing and what was known about it at that point in time.  Its not like the Trump admisistratiuon was hiding the data 

Nothing like recycling old news, to try and make a buck and influence an election.
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« Reply #1474 on: September 10, 2020, 06:17:25 pm »

Who knows what other concerns may be on Trump's mind in downplaying the pandemic and the desire to reopen quickly?

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It has been a tough year for President Trump. On top of impeachment and the pandemic, his net worth has dropped an estimated $600 million since last September, to $2.5 billion. That puts him at No. 339 on The Forbes 400, down 64 spots from a year ago.

Blame the coronavirus, which has battered not only the president’s poll numbers but also the very industries in which he holds his biggest assets. Values for office buildings have plummeted. Same with hotels, particularly ones in big cities. Trump has significant debt against his properties in D.C. and Chicago, both of which appear to be underwater these days. Doral, his golf resort in Miami, is worth an estimated $28 million, after accounting for its mortgages, down 80% in a year.

https://www.forbes.com/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1475 on: September 10, 2020, 10:14:09 pm »

Fox telling it like it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc9K5W6fgw

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« Reply #1476 on: September 10, 2020, 10:22:37 pm »

No Bernard, it is you that can not get out of the right vs. left mind set.  You are just projecting that onto me. 

You see, you brought up what side the person who made the nomination is on, and since it is so important to you, you just naturally projected those feelings onto me.  It is not important to me. 

I just look at the facts, and the facts are Trump got the first Arab nation in 26 years to normalize relations with Israel.  That is a big deal for peace in the region.  Not to mention Trump fundamentally changed the way we view the Middle East from focusing on Palestinians, which was always flawed, to focusing on commonalities between countries, such as combatting Iran.  It has even been suggested that the BDS movement is now dead due to this deal. 

Right... And you don't think that all the efforts done by Trump to undo what Obama did to establish fair relationships with Iran is far more damaging than anything he may have done?

I personally do.

What would have impressed me would have been an improvement of the relationship between the US/Israel and Iran. We got the exact opposite. We got back 8 years in time.

What would have impressed me is coherence in fighting the arab terrorist groups in the region (those same groups that were allowed to florish thanks to the second Irak war), instead we got the exact opposite.

And if you look further into this, Saudi Arabia is now allowing Israel to use it's airspace.  Also, this past weekend in Mecca, a leading cleric gave a sermon that was soft towards Israel, and what many assume to be a preamble to them getting ready to normalize relations with Israel. 

But once again, you show your severe TDS in your response and how it has filled you with so much hate you dont even entertain writing about the facts.  You just write about your own version hate against him. 

Israel and Saudi Arabia are both long standing allies of the US in the region using the exact same military equipment and have Iran as common enemy. What's so spectacular about what you are talking about?

PS, after thinking about your post, what I find most disturbing is how you find democracy flawed, thus implying you support some form of totalitarianism so long as it confirms to your preferences.  That's a dangerous thought and to act on it in governing invariably leads to oppression. 


Fascinating stuff. How exactly do I find democracy flawed?

You are supporting a President who publicly refused to confirm he would follow the results of the next elections, is doing everything he can to prevent people from voting, who has stared to speak about 12 years in office, who has done everything he could to prevent the press from doing their job, has kept praising authoritarian leaders and their actions against democracy,...

How is it not you who is endangering democracy by providing unconditional support to a President that doesn't believe in democracy the least bit?

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« Reply #1477 on: September 11, 2020, 07:43:06 am »

This altercation between a Secret Service officer and a member of the media from a previous election cycle has a photography component, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304.

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« Reply #1478 on: September 11, 2020, 08:43:02 am »

This altercation between a Secret Service officer and a member of the media from a previous election cycle has a photography component, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/secret-service-agent-choke-slam-trump-rally-dhs-412304.

The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security to access records to confirm an alleged altercation between a Secret Service agent and then-Vice President Joe Biden.

The records in question relate to an alleged physical altercation during a 2009 photo-op in which the agent alleges Biden cupped one of his girlfriend's breasts.

In July, the Secret Service told Judicial Watch that the file in question had been destroyed and that "no additional information is available.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/judicial-watch-sues-dhs-gain-access-file-altercation-between-biden-and
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« Reply #1479 on: September 11, 2020, 08:44:56 am »

Joe appears to pinch a little girls nipple.....

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