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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1380 on: September 02, 2020, 09:17:52 pm »

Cut funding to cities that behave badly, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/514903-trump-calls-for-review-to-cut-funding-to-cities-with-lawless-protests. I'm sure that will help.

This idea will likely die quickly, never to be mentioned again, like many many others, but you got to wonder, why say it at all.

I'd agree with it.  I am a firm believer in Menckens, "democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." 

I dont believe any city or state should get any federal funding, for anything, let alone policing. 

But anyway, the result of this liberal madness (and it is madness) will be the same it has always been, people with money (especially liberals, since they tend to be weak) in crazy areas will move to less crazy areas, leaving those without money in even worse economic positions.  This will then make the economic divide even worse. 

It is even starting to show up in school systems.  Many democratic school districts remain closed, but they are renting their school buildings out to professional tutoring companies to provide in-person monitored online learning for children in the district ... for a price of $140 per week.  My friend on Havertown, PA is dealing with this right now. 

So the rich will continue to educate their children while the poor will rely on online services, which, as a former teacher, I know to be a complete joke.  The fact that this is blatantly political makes it even worse. 

In Havertown, the district did a survey of the parents to see if they wanted in person teaching.  The survey found that the majority of the parents did, but the district ignored the parents and capitulated to the teacher's union instead. 
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1381 on: September 03, 2020, 12:11:54 am »

Actually, no.  While it clearly is inappropriate for a president to state an opinion regarding facts that may be the subject of a future criminal trial―Trump simply should have responded to the reporter's question with an anodyne statement to the effect that he was not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation―"being 100% clear that this guy is a murderer" would have been a far more serious blunder than what he actually said because if "this guy" is put on trial for murder, a statement of that nature would have provided the defense with enormous leverage to use in negotiations with the prosecution for a plea to a lesser offense.  It would have handed the defendant's attorney a powerful argument that a fair trial would be impossible, not only in Wisconsin but anywhere in the country, because of a prejudicial statement by the highest elected official in the country.

Again, Trump's comment was clearly inappropriate, but what you are suggesting would have been much worse.

I agree Chris, what I wrote wasn't properly stated.

What I meant to say that is that Trump should have condemned with total clarity violent actions, be it from people sharing his views. Him not doing so is unheard of in a democratic state in such situations.

I agree that, although the images are 100% clear about what happened, it's an on-going investigation.

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« Reply #1382 on: September 03, 2020, 05:06:03 pm »

Trump claimed some awful things a couple of days ago, I managed to miss it when it happened, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729. Someone claimed to have seen a plane full of thugs, he said, going somewhere to disrupt something.

Were they from Roswell, I wonder?

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« Reply #1383 on: September 03, 2020, 06:21:58 pm »

Trump claimed some awful things a couple of days ago, I managed to miss it when it happened, https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729. Someone claimed to have seen a plane full of thugs, he said, going somewhere to disrupt something.

Were they from Roswell, I wonder?

It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.

How did we fall so far in such little time?
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« Reply #1384 on: September 04, 2020, 08:24:25 am »

Another idiot who should have stayed home.

Suspect in fatal Portland shooting of right-wing activist killed during attempted arrest, US Marshals say
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/us/portland-protest-suspected-killer/index.html

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« Reply #1385 on: September 04, 2020, 09:14:28 am »

It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.

How did we fall so far in such little time?
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AG Barr:  Antifa flying around the country...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-barr-police/us-attorney-general-barr-says-antifa-flying-around-us-to-incite-violence-idUSKBN25T3AI
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« Reply #1386 on: September 04, 2020, 10:16:37 am »

It's this kind of bullshit coming from a world leader that makes one shake their heads. Just blatant lies. You cannot believe a single word from his mouth...even if he's telling the truth.

How did we fall so far in such little time?
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AG Barr:  Antifa flying around the country...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-barr-police/us-attorney-general-barr-says-antifa-flying-around-us-to-incite-violence-idUSKBN25T3AI

Oh...so Barr says so...it must be true. Trump's right hand man. You got to be a fool to believe anything coming out of the mouths of people that Trump has surrounded himself with. Anyone that ever said anything that conflicted with Trump has been fired...so the yes-man brigade remains.
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« Reply #1387 on: September 04, 2020, 10:31:23 am »

Oh...so Barr says so...it must be true. Trump's right hand man. You got to be a fool to believe anything coming out of the mouths of people that Trump has surrounded himself with. Anyone that ever said anything that conflicted with Trump has been fired...so the yes-man brigade remains.

Believe what you want.  Whatever fits your agenda. 
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« Reply #1388 on: September 04, 2020, 10:41:36 am »

Believe what you want.  Whatever fits your agenda.

But don't you find it a little bit suspect that they would all wear black together on on airplane? There ought to be photos or videos all over the web by now.




 
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« Reply #1389 on: September 04, 2020, 11:22:13 am »

But don't you find it a little bit suspect that they would all wear black together on on airplane? There ought to be photos or videos all over the web by now.

Not a bit.  We know they are traveling from city to city and what better target than Thumps acceptancce speach.
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« Reply #1390 on: September 04, 2020, 12:05:26 pm »

Not a bit.  We know they are traveling from city to city and what better target than Thumps acceptancce speach.

We know? Because Trump said so?
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« Reply #1391 on: September 04, 2020, 12:29:57 pm »

We know? Because Trump said so?

Do you ever really read the news?  Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/

Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
 
Every heard of Riot Kitchen?  In Kenosha?  Really?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/

Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?

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« Reply #1392 on: September 04, 2020, 03:24:00 pm »

Do you ever really read the news?  Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/

Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
 
Every heard of Riot Kitchen?  In Kenosha?  Really?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/

Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?

What about the right wing militia carrying AK-47 guns killing 2 people. What about all the militia in Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles  Do you think maybe...just maybe they are imported as well?

Still have not seen any images of this airplane full of thugs wearing black posted anywhere. Maybe Trump let out a little white lie...he's been known to do that you know.
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« Reply #1393 on: September 04, 2020, 03:26:32 pm »

They all should stay home.

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« Reply #1394 on: September 04, 2020, 04:51:33 pm »

What about the right wing militia carrying AK-47 guns killing 2 people. What about all the militia in Portland and Seattle and Los Angeles  Do you think maybe...just maybe they are imported as well?

Still have not seen any images of this airplane full of thugs wearing black posted anywhere. Maybe Trump let out a little white lie...he's been known to do that you know.

Like I said, chez or whoever you are today, believe what you like.
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« Reply #1395 on: September 04, 2020, 05:59:27 pm »

Do you ever really read the news?  Arrests at many of these "protests" are people who are from out of town.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/most-suspects-arrested-in-kenosha-riots-live-outside-city-according-to-police/

Or how about the arrest of the Antifa thug from Seattle, in Green Bay , along with a bunch of his friends?

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/antifa-commander-with-flamethrower-cried-when-he-was-arrested/
 
Every heard of Riot Kitchen?  In Kenosha?  Really?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/activists-arrested-in-kenosha-after-filling-up-gas-cans-police/

Or do you think this is simply home grown rage all from people where any given riot is taking place?

From out of town? So what? Where do you think that caravan of Trump supporters came from. This whole situation affects all Americans, it is not just local. This a tired right-wing bogey man, the "out of town agitators" crap.

And the NY Post? Seriously? It's a sensationalist tabloid. Why pollute your brain with such crap? Or maybe you just don't care.
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« Reply #1396 on: September 04, 2020, 07:06:54 pm »

109-Year-Old Rode’s Camera Shop Burned Down in Kenosha. Along with old prints, negatives and some special equipment.
Actually, it didn't burn down by itself, someone set it on fire.

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Rode’s Camera Shop, a 109-year-old camera store, burned down last week during rioting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, sparked by the shooting of 29-year-old African-American man Jacob Blake by a police officer.

The store first opened in 1911 and became a fixture in the community for over a century as a place to buy camera gear and get photos processed in the lab. The business was owned by the Rode family until eight years ago when it was purchased by business partners Paul Willette and Tom Gram. Gram had worked at the store for 41 years prior to taking over.

“This was just a building, but people’s memories were inside. That’s what is killing me,” Willette tells Kenosha News. “A woman had just come in Monday and brought in a photo of her grandparents in elementary school, wanting it to be restored. I left it on my desk. Now it’s all gone. Our customers lost family memories.”

https://petapixel.com/2020/09/02/109-year-old-rodes-camera-shop-burned-down-in-kenosha/
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« Reply #1397 on: September 04, 2020, 07:21:48 pm »

From out of town? So what? Where do you think that caravan of Trump supporters came from. This whole situation affects all Americans, it is not just local. This a tired right-wing bogey man, the "out of town agitators" crap.

And the NY Post? Seriously? It's a sensationalist tabloid. Why pollute your brain with such crap? Or maybe you just don't care.

So, you can’t refute the facts.  Thanks for the admission.  BTW, are Trump supporters burning down city blocks and looting stores?  Just curious.
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« Reply #1398 on: September 04, 2020, 08:35:10 pm »

False Claims of Antifa Protesters Plague Small US Cities

"In the days since President Donald Trump blamed antifa activists for an eruption of violence at protests over police killings of black people, social media has lit up with false rumors that the far-left-leaning group is transporting people to wreak havoc on small cities across America.

The speculation was being raised by conservative news outlets and pro-Trump social media accounts, as well as impostor Facebook and Twitter accounts.

Twitter and Facebook busted some of the instigators behind the unsubstantiated social media chatter. Twitter determined Monday that a tweet promising antifa would "move into residential areas" and "white" neighborhoods was sent by the white supremacy group Identity Evropa. The tweet was shared hundreds of times and cited in online news articles before Twitter removed it Monday, a company spokesperson said.

Yet the tweet continued to circulate Tuesday on Facebook and Instagram.

Facebook, using information shared by Twitter, announced Tuesday night it also took down a handful of accounts on its platform that were created by white supremacy groups like Identity Evropa and American Guard, some of them posing as part of the antifa movement.

For years, some social media users have tried to delegitimize controversial or political protests with baseless theories that they were organized by wealthy financiers or extremists organizations. Over the weekend, Trump singled out antifa as being responsible for the violent protests triggered by the killing of George Floyd, saying in a tweet: "It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left."

"Usually you see this when there's an interest to deflect conversations from protests to just accusing the protests of being violent, organized or having backers that are evil,"said Filippo Menczer, a professor of informatics and computer science at Indiana University. "The president mentioning it, of course, has generated a huge spike."

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« Reply #1399 on: September 04, 2020, 08:54:33 pm »

Lara Logan, the Fox ‘Investigative Journalist’ Who Keeps Falling for Antifa Hoaxes

"The key “investigative journalist” lending credibility to Fox News’ incessant coverage of an alleged “antifa” insurgency has frequently promoted obvious hoaxes about her supposed area of expertise.

Lara Logan, an award-winning former CBS News correspondent who joined Fox News as a host on their online-streaming service Fox Nation last year and has been billed an “investigative journalist” by herself and in promos, has become a fixture of the network’s coverage of the loosely organized anti-fascist movement.

But a review of Logan’s reporting—both online and on Fox News—shows a clear pattern of repeatedly falling for obvious hoaxes and passing along eye-popping but completely unsubstantiated claims.

Fox News and Logan didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Logan posted a picture of a tweet purporting to come from a national antifa group threatening to terrorize majority-white neighborhoods. The tweet she cited read: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades...Tonight we say ‘F**k The City’ and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what’s ours,” along with a black raised-fist emoji.

That tweet turned out to have come from a fake account linked to white-nationalist group Identity Europa posing as antifa while calling for violence. The fake antifa account even included the acronym “I.E.” in its logo, a clear reference to its ties to Identity Europa.

After being called out for credulously passing along two hoaxes, Logan did not correct, update, or delete either tweet, instead lashing out at critics as waging a smear campaign to “destroy” her. There can be “no doubt,” she wrote, that liberal media-monitoring group Media Matters for America had “marshaled their army & all their resources” against her. (In 2013, Media Matters exposed Logan’s false 60 Minutes reporting on Benghazi, which resulted in a retraction, an on-air apology from Logan, and a leave of absence.)

Several days after posting the fake antifa tweets, Logan would again fall for another hoax—this time taking an obvious joke about rap-loving clowns as serious proof of an antifa conspiracy.

As a joke, one Twitter user wrote a thread connecting antifa to costume-wearing furries, Korean pop listeners, and the rowdy, soda-chugging fans of horrorcore rap duo Insane Clown Posse, who call themselves “juggalos” and dress up in clown makeup.

Even as Logan struggles to discern disinformation and parody from verifiable evidence, Fox News has repeatedly touted Logan’s expertise on antifa during her on-air appearances."

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