Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Craig Lamson]

Everyone is pissed. The reality is though that most are doing what they are told and it is under control. There are even joke groups on Facebook like Bin Isolation Outing. Check it out.

Australia - 25M people, 4900 cases, 21 deaths, 269 new cases today, 348 new cases yesterday.
Maybe something closer to you
Canada - 37M people, 9005 cases, 105 deaths, 1300 new cases today, 1400 new cases yesterday

USA - 300M people, 187,000 cases, 3846 deaths, 24,100 new cases today, 22,600 new cases yesterday.
Work it out yourselves, if you can.

Yea, the USA is the number one travel destination  in the world.  Last stats I read in Jan, Feb, Mar. over 3 million people traveled to the US, of those 3/4 of Million from China.  Why don’t you compare those stats with Oz or Canada.

[Alan Klein]

If there is no such law, they should make one. Quarantine them in some shelter or at home.

I think it's happening naturally.  Have you been outside?  There're few people on the roads or on the streets except when they have to work or go shopping.  The governments of each state shut down various venues like malls, playgrounds, theaters, etc.  So you can't congregate there and subsequently have natural quarantine.  There will probably be a bounce in the birth rate in 9 months. I don't know how much more you can do short of martial law?  People do have to go places to get food and other supplies and handle their jobs otherwise there won't be any food for anyone. 

[Craig Lamson]

No. I spoke about reaction.

My exact words were: "the point isn't the prepardness - although there is a lot to say on this - but they way he kept denying the scientific facts. Every day matters here and your attempts to paint everything in a fuzzy light is not intellectually honest"

I wonder if you realize the extend to which you have integrated and made your own the conversational tactics of Trump industry... which is basically about stopping to converse. Continue to unleash a stream of stuff whose only coherence is that it fits a predefined story line. Completely ignoring secondary things such as facts and opinions, however logical and sensible they may be.

Cheers,
Bernard

But, sadly for you, once again you missed it.  Trump denied nothing.  He had his science experts present their fact every day.  He still does.  You are lost in your hatred, which is a really sad thing.  What’s worse you decided to blame Joe and others for the virus deaths, which is beyond the pale. 

[Alan Klein]

There is no clear data supporting the theory that the US was hit later than France.

Only the measures to test patients started later on a large scale. The incredibly fast pace of increase is simply because the epidemic was already there.

So the very fact that you think the US was hit later is the result of the late reaction by your President who has done everything he could to minimize the reality of the crisis.

Japan was hit way before France but the numbers are super low because they never tested anyone.

Cheers,
Bernard

I'm not clear why we're fighting about numbers at this point so early in the game.  Who knows what's going to happen especially if we get a second wave.  Does anyone believe Chinese numbers?  Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they started this to hurt America and move China up to #1.  They might even have an antidote.

[faberryman]

By what law could the US force it’s returning Citizen to be be quarantined without their permission?

I thought they quarantined those Americans they let off the Grand Princess cruise ship at an army base for 14 days. Maybe they all volunteered.

[Alan Klein]

Yea, the USA is the number one travel destination  in the world.  Last stats I read in Jan, Feb, Mar. over 3 million people traveled to the US, of those 3/4 of Million from China.  Why don’t you compare those stats with Oz or Canada.

NYC had 60 million visitors last year, up from 50 million. 

[Craig Lamson]

And so is every other business.  Even AOC suggested that renters go to their landlords and do this.  Add to that, that the relief bill specifically states that no businesses that have ownership connections to USA politicians are eligible for relief, which was specifically aimed at Trump.  This would make even more the case that his properties would need to do this.

I read or heard yesterday Trump is losing a million a day.

[Manoli]

What the hell are you talking about, what self contradiction?

Here you go,

Captain Brett Crozier, the ship’s commanding officer, wrote that the carrier lacked enough quarantine and isolation facilities and warned the current strategy would slow but fail to eradicate the highly contagious respiratory virus. In the letter dated Monday, he called for “decisive action” and removing over 4,000 sailors from the ship and isolating them. Along with the ship’s crew, naval aviators and others serve aboard the Roosevelt.

Crozier raised the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership that detailed his concerns about the spread of the virus on the ship. The letter leaked to the media and generated a series of headlines.

Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.

Modly  said Crozier was not removed because of any evidence suggesting he leaked the memo to the press, but rather for allowing "the complexity of his challenge with the Covid breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally when acting professionally was what was needed the most at the time."

[hogloff]

Your picky comment is typical from those who will find everything he does as wrong.  What confidence and hope would a president inspire if he was hiding in his basement like Biden?

Showing the public something totally opposite of what you are telling them sends yet another mixed message. Please, please people stay 2 meters apart from each other as he stands shoulder to shoulder at the podium. What message is that sending?

[Alan Klein]

Yea, the USA is the number one travel destination  in the world.  Last stats I read in Jan, Feb, Mar. over 3 million people traveled to the US, of those 3/4 of Million from China. Why don’t you compare those stats with Oz or Canada.

Half those Chinese stopped at B&H on 34th Street and 9th Avenue on Manhattan's west side exposing half of us photographers.   

[JoeKitchen]

Something about a barn door is rattling around in my mind.

You lost me here. 

Perhaps it's a farmhouse thing?

[hogloff]

Something about a barn door is rattling around in my mind.

Now the actin he's taking is setting up his sheep to think he's a genius if 100,000 people around them die because of his great actions he's taken. He claims his actions rats an A+...what utter nonsense.

[Alan Klein]

Showing the public something totally opposite of what you are telling them sends yet another mixed message. Please, please people stay 2 meters apart from each other as he stands shoulder to shoulder at the podium. What message is that sending?

Strength and courage. 

[Craig Lamson]

I thought they quarantined those Americans they let off the Grand Princess cruise ship at an army base for 14 days. Maybe they all volunteered.

I’m sure they did volunteer.  There is very little authority to deprive a person of their freedom in this situation. That pesky constitution.

[hogloff]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/after-mocking-trump-promoting-hydroxychloroquine-media-acknowleges-might-treat-coronavirus

"After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus"

I've seen discussions about really not enough data out there since 98% of infected people recover anyway so have the few tests that took the drug recovered from the drug...or would they have recovered anyway. Needs a lot more testing to be sure.

[hogloff]

By what law could the US force it’s returning Citizen to be be quarantined without their permission?

The law of common sense that comes from the leadership of your country. Canada has no such law, but people understand the importance because they were told about the consequences of going out and being infected. It all starts at the top.

[JoeKitchen]

There is no clear data supporting the theory that the US was hit later than France.

Only the measures to test patients started later on a large scale. The incredibly fast pace of increase is simply because the epidemic was already there.

So the very fact that you think the US was hit later is the result of the late reaction by your President who has done everything he could to minimize the reality of the crisis.

Japan was hit way before France but the numbers are super low because they never tested anyone.

Cheers,
Bernard

I would say that is more the fault of the media.  They, like every single news source, downplayed this as well until it became obvious with Italy. 

[hogloff]

What a steaming pile.  We still can’t get people to “fall in line”.  They get the strait goods every day at the press conference. Every day.  Nothing has been withheld from the American people.  Unless you think Fauci and company are lying.

Bullshit. Trump has mocked this virus enough before "it's nothing, we have it under control", "it will magically go away when it gets warm"...that any dribble that comes out of his mouth now is just not believable. "Sure Boommer"

[Craig Lamson]

Bullshit. Trump has mocked this virus enough before "it's nothing, we have it under control", "it will magically go away when it gets warm"...that any dribble that comes out of his mouth now is just not believable. "Sure Boommer"

Roflmao!  Why don’t you just own up to your failure instead of tying to shift the goalposts to try and save face.

The only mocking going on is you doing it to yourself. 

[JoeKitchen]

If there is no such law, they should make one. Quarantine them in some shelter or at home.

We do, but those laws are state laws and can not be implemented by the federal government. 

Just like how Ferguson was looted and burned, and no local politician had the balls to call in the National Guard because it would end his career, same mentality was working here in the beginning. 

Even if Trump asked in February for it, no governor would want to be the first, since politically, it would stink. 

As they say, everyone want to get to heaven but no one wants to die.