Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[JoeKitchen]

Joe, I am sorry, I don't understand you reply... not serious, don't worry! It strikes me as a poor attempt to move the goalposts.

You asked Bernard for proof that politicians were talking about this in February, I supplied you with the proof. I also believe that Tom Cotton tried to persuade Trump to take this thing seriously on the 29th of February: why would he do that if things were going as well as you suggest?

Go back and re-read all of my post on this, and you'll see I did not move the goal post. 

I stated in every post asking for one politician that I want to see a statement of that person taking this as seriously as we are now.  In every single post, I stated this. 

[JoeKitchen]

Trump Asks Deutsche Bank and Palm Beach County to Give His Businesses a Break

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/trump-organization-asks-deutsche-bank-for-loan-payment-delay

And so is every other business.  Even AOC suggested that renters go to their landlords and do this.  Add to that, that the relief bill specifically states that no businesses that have ownership connections to USA politicians are eligible for relief, which was specifically aimed at Trump.  This would make even more the case that his properties would need to do this. 

[Manoli]

Insofar as the captain, he broke the chain of command and went directly to the press.  He deserved to get fired. 

Well that's novel:

Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly announced on Thursday: "Today at my direction the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, Captain Brett Crozier, was relieved of command by carrier strike group commander Rear Admiral Stewart Baker," Modly said during a Pentagon press briefing.

Modly told reporters that Crozier was removed for showing "extremely poor judgment" and creating a "firestorm" by too widely disseminating the memo detailing his concerns, copying some 20 to 30 people.

He said Crozier was not removed because of any evidence suggesting he leaked the memo to the press, but rather for allowing "the complexity of his challenge with the Covid breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally when acting professionally was what was needed the most at the time."

[William Walker]

Go back and re-read all of my post on this, and you'll see I did not move the goal post. 

I stated in every post asking for one politician that I want to see a statement of that person taking this as seriously as we are now.  In every single post, I stated this.

So Chris Murphy's tweet, not good enough for you?

[JoeKitchen]

Well that's novel:

You apparently are more up to date on the specifics, or at least what the Pentagon is releasing.  The facts though are that it made it to the press, and more then likely due to his actions, whether directly or indirectly.  Or at least the inside story appears to be he went directly to the press himself.

But anyway, do you know anyone in the military?  Breaking the chain of command is taken pretty seriously. 

[JoeKitchen]

So Chris Murphy's tweet, not good enough for you?

Nope. 

I want to see something where a politician was suggesting we need to take as serious actions as we are now.  Show me someone telling the country that we need to do is something up to the level we have done now, like shutting it down for 6 weeks.

[Manoli]

The facts though are that it made it to the press, and more then likely due to his actions, whether directly or indirectly.  Or at least the inside story appears to be he went directly to the press himself.
But anyway, do you know anyone in the military?  Breaking the chain of command is taken pretty seriously. 

Point taken, so whose word am I to believe - yours or the Secretary of the Navy, Thomas Modly ?

He said Crozier was not removed because of any evidence suggesting he leaked the memo to the press, but rather for allowing "the complexity of his challenge with the Covid breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally when acting professionally was what was needed the most at the time."

[Alan Klein]

That's NY. And everybody knows NY is not America and America is not NY

Hey wait a minute.  I'm a New Yorker all my life. Now my wife is from Brooklyn. And well you know what they say about that. 

[JoeKitchen]

Point taken, so whose word am I to believe - yours or the Secretary of the Navy, Thomas Modly ?

Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier

NBC? 

Crozier raised the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership that detailed his concerns about the spread of the virus on the ship. The letter leaked to the media and generated a series of headlines.

Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.

The navy has stated he broke the chain of command, as I said.  People are demoted for less serious infractions when breaking the chain of command. 

[William Walker]

Nope. 

I want to see something where a politician was suggesting we need to take as serious actions as we are now.  Show me someone telling the country that we need to do is something up to the level we have done now, like shutting it down for 6 weeks.

Joe, you are incorrigible...

[JoeKitchen]

Joe, you are incorrigible...

 

But I have been consistent on this.  I wrote in every single post that I wanted to see a politician take it as serious as we are now pre-Italy. 

[faberryman]

Point taken, so whose word am I to believe - yours or the Secretary of the Navy, Thomas Modly ?

The problem is that you are taking Modly literally. Obviously he meant the opposite of what he said. The captain was fired for going to the press.

Modly understands this lieterally-seriously thing. Remember that the captain said he had an corona virus outbreak on his hands. Modly didn't take the captain literally. He really meant only one or two guys. So why make a fuss. Clearly, the captain overreacted, which is why he was fired. Correctly so.

Get with the program Manoli. Haven't you ever seen a Monty Python skit?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Bernard's wet dream:

[Manoli]

NBC? 

Crozier raised the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership that detailed his concerns about the spread of the virus on the ship. The letter leaked to the media and generated a series of headlines.

Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.

Less than 24 hours and they still can't get the 'story' right, self-contradiction right of the bat. Which one is it ?
And, frankly, ITM, where are we with the 4,000 complement of the aircraft carrier ?

For a final aside, look up Captain Rochefort, Vice Admiral Leyton and Nimitz - see if that historical matter of record doesn't strike a chord ...

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Joe, I'm out of here. See post #676.

[BernardLanguillier]

So when did Trump stop travel from China?  January, before every other country.  He also started shutting down travel to/from Europe beginning of March.  When did Trump shut down the country, middle of March, like everyone else.  Did Trump reopen the  country even though he said he wanted by Easter.  No, he extended it. 

Please explain to me how this is doing nothing and not listening to the experts. 

You and so many others get caught up in the minutia of what he says, but not what he means or does.

The dates are not super accurate but the article below, on top of all the evidence shown by others here demonstrate that Trump is at least two weeks late in his reactions.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5103335002

And that’s 2 weeks late compared to a country (France) that was itself late by 2 weeks.

But I don’t even know why I am trying to provide you with facts since, once again, you have obviously decided that you could do without them.

Cheers,
Bernard

[hogloff]

Here is another country with socialized medicine: Germany  - only 13 deaths per 1 million

Canada has 5.

[Manoli]

Get with the program Manoli. Haven't you ever seen a Monty Python skit?

You are so right! I'm struggling ...

[JoeKitchen]

Looks like someone was ahead of the curve here. 

After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus

Some backtracking by the media.

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study

Do I think Trump got everything right here, of course not.  Do I think anyone else, even a Democrat, would have done better, of course.  The abject failure of nearly every government in the world proves that, and those that did a little better only did so out of luck from having to deal with H1N1. 

But at least Trump was not dismissing ideas from the other side of the aisle just out of spite. 

[JoeKitchen]

Less than 24 hours and they still can't get the 'story' right, self-contradiction right of the bat. Which one is it ?
And, frankly, ITM, where are we with the 4,000 complement of the aircraft carrier ?

For a final aside, look up Captain Rochefort, Vice Admiral Leyton and Nimitz - see if that historical matter of record doesn't strike a chord ...

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Joe, I'm out of here. See post #676.

What the hell are you talking about, what self contradiction?  I have seen the same charge of going outside the chain of command for the last couple of days.  Sure, the story has developed, but it has been consistent on he broke the chain of command. 

What post 676, and where?  I am close to #3000 and you're way over that number too. 

[BernardLanguillier]

Looks like someone was ahead of the curve here. 

After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus

Some backtracking by the media.

Malaria Drug Helps Virus Patients Improve, in Small Study

Do I think Trump got everything right here, of course not.  Do I think anyone else, even a Democrat, would have done better, of course.  The abject failure of nearly every government in the world proves that, and those that did a little better only did so out of luck from having to deal with H1N1. 

But at least Trump was not dismissing ideas from the other side of the aisle just out of spite.

Trump was indeed promoting any argument supporting his theory that the covid19 was not a big deal.

Had he come accross an article claiming that masturbation helped he would have promoted that.

Cheers,
Bernard