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Rob C

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« Reply #740 on: March 20, 2020, 03:23:15 pm »

I hope you're right, but as a cynical pessimist when it comes to white collar crime, I fear you're being optimistic.

And if the worst that happens to them is that their political careers are over, my cynical response would be, "Hey, I'd take that." They have the cash, they will probably retain their elected office pension, and some corporation or lobbying organization will hire them because that's exactly the kind of person they want in their organization.

I sincerely hope that I am so stupidly wrong.


Unfortunately, that's what makes politics function and business run sweetly and fortunes amassed. Why else would fat cats take to political life - in the UK, at least, it's not the regular pay packet for that job that pulls the rich: it's the opportunities.

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« Reply #741 on: March 20, 2020, 03:33:22 pm »

It depends. He may have to sell his Leica.

Good one!

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« Reply #742 on: March 20, 2020, 04:07:50 pm »

The Economist has just published an article referencing a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine . Studies show that Covid-19 can linger in the air for hours and on some materials for days; far longer than previously thought.

Cardboard and plastic are two materials extensively used in the packing, transportation and storage of manufactured goods - paricularly clothing.

This means that the Amazon Prime shipping service is far more dangerous when it comes to the Covid-19 transmission than their Standard shipping method.
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« Reply #743 on: March 20, 2020, 04:23:28 pm »

... We are too dependent on drug components coming out of China right now to piss them off so much so they close the door.  Unfortunately they do have us, and the rest of the world, by the balls here.

Whose fault is that. This is not a confrontation, it's an honest question. Why do we let situations like this happen? So someone saved a few bucks by relocating a factory, bully for them.

Why was there one factory in Puerto Rico that made 95% of the world's IV bags? Why did the world put itself into that position?

Calculating the savings due to economies of scale are one thing, but what does that cost? The calculations never seem to be complete, someone always leaves something out. People are shocked when, suddenly, externalities matter, as if it's the first time.

Is it sensible to let private interests solely decide matters of national importance? Optimize your business, sure, but what if your optimization puts lots of people at risk? By the time you find out what you've lost, it's too late, and the guy who made the decision cashed his bonus cheque and has moved on.

 
I fully hope that after we get out of this, they will be held accountable for this and directly blamed.

I hope so too but what form would that take. Were the people who fed meat to herbivores years ago held accountable for Mad Cow? If we let the cows eat grass, someone makes less money or steaks cost more. So are we still feeding meat to herbivores today? Last I heard (maybe 5 years ago) we still were, only now we have stricter rules about which animal parts are used to make the feed. I hope they're abiding by those rules. Who is watching to make sure.

We keep hearing about pressures from industry to let it police itself, get the government out of regulation, by starving government of tax funds if we need to. I hope those are good decisions. What could go wrong. Who will be held accountable if/when something does go wrong?

So far as I know we're still pumping hormones and anti-biotics into hogs and milk cows and chickens. Is that really a good idea.

I hope that chronic wasting disease that deer are getting in the north-east doesn't jump to other species. It may already be in moose though.

Everyone wants the Chinese government to come up with new market stall and wild animal rules and enforce them. Makes sense. How would other countries feel if the Chinese demanded that we alter how we run our countries? All I'm saying is that there may be some things we want them to do, so we'd better find a way to convince them, a way that actually works. Because so far nothing is working. Pathogens keep coming out of there, their own people suffer from them, but that doesn't seem like enough incentive to make them change things.

This is not promising for the human species. This is highly off-topic, I guess.
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« Reply #744 on: March 20, 2020, 04:26:03 pm »

I do see an issue, besides the xenophobic card being played (an outside enemy is more convenient than admitting that one's own initial response was substandard).

The initially named "novel coronavirus" was officially labeled on February 11th, 2020, by the World Health Organisation (WHO) as "COVID-19". The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) decided to call it "SARS-CoV-2", which is more descriptive for insiders.

There is no valid reason to call it anything else than by its official name, from that moment on.
Influenza every year is called the Asian flu because it starts there.  Spanish FLu.  I don't agree its racist.  Just more silly stuff from the left and Trump haters.

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« Reply #745 on: March 20, 2020, 04:27:40 pm »

Italy reported 627 new deaths today. Spain 213, and China only 3.

Well, China probably has the vaccine.

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« Reply #746 on: March 20, 2020, 04:31:51 pm »

Based on the data from the last few days, it looks like the daily global increases (both the infection and death counts) are roughly 10-12% of the total numbers.
26,000 infections and 1,271 deaths compared to 271,598 total infections and 11,299 deaths. In other words, the total numbers double every 8 days globally (in some countries they double every 2-5 days).

Using the 8 days doubling model, we can expect around 600,000 total infections and 25,000 deaths by end of March.
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« Reply #747 on: March 20, 2020, 04:32:19 pm »

This means that the Amazon Prime shipping service is far more dangerous when it comes to the Covid-19 transmission than their Standard shipping method.

The Black Plague was transmitted town to town, city to city, nation to nation by rats.  Now we have Amazon and Fedex doing it.

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« Reply #748 on: March 20, 2020, 04:39:05 pm »

Based on the data from the last few days, it looks like the daily global increases (both the infection and death counts) are roughly 10-12% of the total numbers.
26,000 infections and 1,271 deaths compared to 271,598 total infections and 11,299 deaths. In other words, the total numbers double every 8 days globally (in some countries they double every 2-5 days).

Using the 8 days doubling model, we can expect around 600,000 total infections and 25,000 deaths by end of March.

So by the end of April, that should be around 500,000 dead if it stops then which is about the same as regular flu last year.  Of course, will it stop?  It stopped in China, or so we're being told. 

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« Reply #749 on: March 20, 2020, 04:50:59 pm »

European Central Bank (ECB) follows America down the rat hole buying $750 billion in bonds to prop up Europe as the US starts with a trillion.  Nikon $1000 cameras will go to $2000.  Of course, you'll have to decide if you want that camera first or a loaf of bread.  The bubble gentlemen is about to break again.  The 2008 real estate bubble was nothing.  This one is the big one.  Real estate, stocks,, everything.  Lots of cash but no one working for it.  The government will provide it.  This is insanity. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/business/EU-European-Central-Bank-economy-covid.html

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« Reply #750 on: March 20, 2020, 04:53:36 pm »

So by the end of April, that should be around 500,000 dead if it stops then which is about the same as regular flu last year.  Of course, will it stop?  It stopped in China, or so we're being told.

500,000 Covid-19 deaths in first 4 months compared with 500,000 flu deaths for the entire 2019/2019 season.
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« Reply #751 on: March 20, 2020, 04:56:27 pm »

This means that the Amazon Prime shipping service is far more dangerous when it comes to the Covid-19 transmission than their Standard shipping method.

Standard practice until now was to quarantine ALL deliveries outside for at least 24 hours. Thinking of extending this and debating how to handle both supermarket and cooked food deliveries. Pizza was always a no-no, now an even bigger one.
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« Reply #752 on: March 20, 2020, 04:59:52 pm »

500,000 Covid-19 deaths in first 4 months compared with 500,000 flu deaths for the entire 2019/2019 season. Or 2 million Covid-19 deaths in 2020.
Well I'm only using that for comparison.  In any case, the regular flu season doesn;t last 12 months.  My point is will it be worse than the regular flu?  I don't know?  If not, why are we shutting down the world?  Meanwhile I'm cooped up and me and my wife are getting awful testy with one another.  And it's only been a few days.

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« Reply #753 on: March 20, 2020, 05:00:57 pm »

Standard practice until now was to quarantine ALL deliveries outside for at least 24 hours. Thinking of extending this and debating how to handle both supermarket and cooked food deliveries. Pizza was always a no-no, now an even bigger one.
Why is pizza a no-no.  I'm getting ready to order some.

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« Reply #754 on: March 20, 2020, 05:17:36 pm »

500,000 Covid-19 deaths in first 4 months compared with 500,000 flu deaths for the entire 2019/2019 season.

Not to mention deaths not directly attributed to Covid-19 but are heavily influenced by the virus due to the over strain on the medical system causing patients requiring ER or ICU care not getting it.
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« Reply #755 on: March 20, 2020, 05:17:59 pm »

Out-of-work Canadians filed 500,000 applications for employment insurance and financial assistance this week alone, up from 27,000 the same week last year.
https://thelogic.co/news/covid-19-roundup-the-jobless-tally-mounts/

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« Reply #756 on: March 20, 2020, 05:18:11 pm »

Well I'm only using that for comparison.  In any case, the regular flu season doesn;t last 12 months.  My point is will it be worse than the regular flu?  I don't know?  If not, why are we shutting down the world?  Meanwhile I'm cooped up and me and my wife are getting awful testy with one another.  And it's only been a few days.

Sitting alone in a warm place is the least of the problems. (although being cooped up with someone else could be entirely different matter).

BTW, my previous estimate about 2 million deaths in 2020 was wrong and I removed it from my post. The correct calculation based on existing model would be much worse, actually so alarming, that I didn't dare to post it. We really don't know now how it will develop. In two months, we'll be able to see it better. Two months ago, nobody would have predicted the 271,000 infections and 11,000 deaths.
   
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« Reply #757 on: March 20, 2020, 05:19:06 pm »

Not to mention deaths not directly attributed to Covid-19 but are heavily influenced by the virus due to the over strain on the medical system causing patients requiring ER or ICU care not getting it.
Valid point.
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« Reply #758 on: March 20, 2020, 05:19:23 pm »

Well I'm only using that for comparison.  In any case, the regular flu season doesn;t last 12 months.  My point is will it be worse than the regular flu?  I don't know?  If not, why are we shutting down the world?  Meanwhile I'm cooped up and me and my wife are getting awful testy with one another.  And it's only been a few days.

Because these deaths are on top of the regular flu deaths...thus basically bringing our medical facilities to it's knees.
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« Reply #759 on: March 20, 2020, 05:20:18 pm »

Sitting alone in a warm place is the least of the problems. (although being cooped up with someone else could be entirely different matter).

BTW, my previous estimate about 2 million deaths in 2020 was wrong and I removed it from my post. The correct calculation based on existing model would be much worse, actually so alarming, that I didn't dare to post it. We really don't know now how it will develop. In two months, we'll be able to see it better. Two months ago, nobody would have predicted the 271,000 infections and 11,000 deaths.
   
Why were the only three deaths in China today?  They only had a few thousand dead to date.  What's going on?
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