COVID-19 updates

[LesPalenik]

We have a couple down the block. Police were there again last night. Some domestic dispute, I figure.

Must have been about the in-house toilet paper allocations.

[faberryman]

the next 14 or 21 days, I'll play along.  If it is for the next 90 and people are not dropping like flies, that is what I would consider illogical and mass hysteria.  I will not follow rules that fall into this criteria, I dont care who is putting them forth.

Not sure what you are going to be doing. Are you and like minded people going to get in your cars and go have a meet-up in a vacant Walmart parking lot?

[John Camp]

Just saw a report that the Chinese are testing a vaccine candidate and are set to ramp up bulk production.

[chez]

The problem is experts have differing opinions.  Ever listen to stock market reviews?  It's why we have bears and bulls.  Why do we have such differing opinions in these forums? Same with many scientific and economic things.  Then you have politicians and newspapers who spin the news and facts to fit their own agenda.  The poor guy on the street like us is just confused and finds it hard to believe anyone.  That's why politicians, media, and so many other have so low levels of trust.  Also, even experts can't read the future.  They don't have crystal balls.  This seems like a new situation we haven;t faced before.  Also, fighting the last war may not be the way to fight the new one.  History has a way of surprising us.   God too.

Right...no one has a crystal ball, but who would you believe in...someone who has devoted their entire life studying the exact problem we want to solve or someone that know f'all about things...but might have a big mouth. No one is perfect and no one knows everything...but I'd place my bets along the experts in the field. What about you...just roll the dice...put head in the sand and hope?

[chez]

Your eyes are closed if you actually think this way.   

I am very libertarian and use to feel the same way; if someone wants to use drugs, why would that bother me attitude.  Then CA, for all intents and purposes, legalized all drug use.  You can't arrest someone in CA with out them having at least $1000 worth of drugs on them, and you cant mandate a person go to rehab.  What did we get for this?

A homeless crisis.  Shit and piss on the street.  Parks covered in needles and other drug paraphernalia.  Addicts sleeping in store doorways, shutting down businesses.  With the exception of weed, you cant make drugs legal without serious effects on the community.  I have completely changed my point of view on this in the last year. 

And no, homelessness does not cause drug use.  It is drug use that causes homelessness; ask any addiction specialists. 

I was listening to a pod cast on this today.  You know cant take away a homeless person's possessions in CA.  Sounds like a good policy until you note the fact that if a homeless person hoards his feces, it is legally considered a possession and you cant take it away from him.  Many homeless people hoard their feces.

Where would you rather be homeless in winter, North Dekota or California. Think about it...maybe there are other reasons why the homeless gravitate to California.

As far as drugs go...here in BC there are dispensers that give out hard drugs which don't have fentenal in them and safe drug shootup facilities that have medical staff on hand with clean needles to ensure the shootup goes without an issue.

It's time to treat drug dependencies of all kinds a disease and not a crime.

[chez]

Sadly it's likely there will be contributors to LuLa who will die due to the selfishness of their neighbours.

Happily it's likely there will be contributors to LuLa who will live due to the selflessness of their neighbours.

6 members from a care home in Vancouver died because 1 person brought the virus into the facility ( the person did not know they were infected ). That person must feel like shit now. Everyone needs to look at it this way...you can be carrying a bomb on you that can go off at any time.

[chez]

Sounds very much like what the militant environmentalists were campaigning on all last year. 

What if this sparks a war?  Not that difficult to do so under stressed economic conditions.  Those dead solders and innocent civilians wont recover either Keith.

Joe...too much TV watching. I suggest switching to Gilgans Island and you'll see life from not such a pessimistic view.

[chez]

If deaths don't skyrocket then lets hope Americans follow the rules.

Isn't this isolation plan to prevent deaths from skyrocketing? It's a success not a failure...talk about backwards thinking.

That logic is like buying life insurance today and being pissed off tomorrow because you didn't use it.

[chez]

I'll post this again just in case you missed it. 

A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data

"This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4% rate from the World Health Organization, cause horror — and are meaningless. Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future." 

Everyone is being hysterical right now.  Dont call me crazy when I am merely looking at this logically.

Judging from your posts...seems like you might be leading this hysteria. Chill, take a pill, have a drag and relax a bit.

[JoeKitchen]

Joe...too much TV watching. I suggest switching to Gilgans Island and you'll see life from not such a pessimistic view.

I could say the thing for some of you. 

FYI, out in the park and it is crowded with all ages; I’m a bit surprised going by what I read on here.  Walked past at least 200 people in an hour. 

[chez]

The lunatics are not all in the asylums.

Bang on Rob.

[chez]

I could say the thing for some of you. 

FYI, out in the park and it is crowded with all ages; I’m a bit surprised going by what I read on here.  Walked past at least 200 people in an hour.

As long as one keeps their distance, there is no problem.

[texshooter]

Would it be cheaper to build quarantine camps for old people than to shut down the whole economy?

[Robert Roaldi]

Would it be cheaper to build quarantine camps for old people than to shut down the whole economy?

It's not just old people.

[faberryman]

Photokina 2020 is cancelled. Next scheduled for 2022. The photo industry may well conclude press releases work as well as expensive trade shows.

[Craig Lamson]

Isn't this isolation plan to prevent deaths from skyrocketing? It's a success not a failure...talk about backwards thinking.

That logic is like buying life insurance today and being pissed off tomorrow because you didn't use it.

You missed the point.  Joes said if death dont spike he's chucking the rules.  What Im saying is if they dont spike lets still keep up following the rules.

[Craig Lamson]

As long as one keeps their distance, there is no problem.

Its not just distance but also surfaces....

[chez]

Its not just distance but also surfaces....

Right...that's where to washing hands and not touching your face comes in.

[Craig Lamson]

Right...that's where to washing hands and not touching your face comes in.

Yep, if you do it...

[KLaban]

Many in the UK lost faith in politicians long, long ago. Hope here in the UK lies with the likes of Professor Christopher Whitty, the government's chief medical adviser and with Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser. The weight on their shoulders is palpable, but coming from their position of strength and knowledge they appear to bear it exceedingly well.

Let's hope they are our Churchill in this time of crisis.