Brexit Encore

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

...Or as the Sun puts it - no doubt offensively...

Or just another case of premature evacuation 

[Alan Klein]

Apparently, it's not all in the family.

"Boris Johnson's Brother Resigns From U.K. Parliament Over Brexit"
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/05/757888779/boris-johnsons-brother-resigns-from-u-k-parliament-over-brexit

[Alan Klein]

With Germany in near recession, this is a good time for making a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU.  German car manufacturers are on their heels.  So is other German industry.  The EU will have to treat Britain fairly if they want to sell their stuff to them.  If Britain makes a trade deal with the US quickly, we can use our joint pressure as even more leverage to help both our countries in trading with the rest of the EU.  Of course the Brits have to stop squabbling with themselves first, and get on with it,  before they shoot themselves in the foot. 

"Eurozone crisis: Germany economy crippling with manufacturing industry facing collapse" 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174459/Eurozone-news-germany-economy-angela-merkel-trade-war-ECB-china-trump-brexit

[jeremyrh]

With Germany in near recession, this is a good time for making a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU.  German car manufacturers are on their heels.  So is other German industry.  The EU will have to treat Britain fairly if they want to sell their stuff to them.  If Britain makes a trade deal with the US quickly, we can use our joint pressure as even more leverage to help both our countries in trading with the rest of the EU.  Of course the Brits have to stop squabbling with themselves first, and get on with it,  before they shoot themselves in the foot. 

"Eurozone crisis: Germany economy crippling with manufacturing industry facing collapse" 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1174459/Eurozone-news-germany-economy-angela-merkel-trade-war-ECB-china-trump-brexit

Alan - if the Express says that the grass is green I go to the window to check.

As for a trade deal, we don't want US food or opioids thanks.

[Rob C]

Alan - if the Express says that the grass is green I go to the window to check.

As for a trade deal, we don't want US food or opioids thanks.

+1

As I recall, wasn't it America that has been tying to bankrupt European car makers with fines for inaccurate emissions statements? A little bit of a sense of proportion would come in handy; who, in the US, last measured GM at al. with such dedicated scrutiny? Other than Nader, I mean; and recently?

Strikes me that the US business sense of fair play - cute olde-worlde concept - consists of annihilation of any competion rather than defending that other olde-worlde concept: level playing fields (for ever, as the Beatles might have added).

[Alan Klein]

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.   America might be the only friend you have after Brexit.  If you want fair play, let's get rid of tariffs on all sides.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... As for a trade deal, we don't want US food or opioids thanks.

Opioids are like lawyers or dentists: you hate them until you need them.

[Chris Kern]

who, in the US, last measured GM at al. with such dedicated scrutiny? Other than Nader, I mean; and recently?

The federal Environmental Protection Agency and the California Air Resources Board.

[kers]

Would it make a difference for the better if Corbyn would step down?

[Rob C]

Would it make a difference for the better if Corbyn would step down?

Not really; the party is like the other big one: split asunder. Yes, on the one hand it might mean some Tories crossing over, but I think the cultural differences are set in stone. I think the only thing that may help is a massive shift to the Libs, but then the only thing I think that will attract some new voters is their refusal to countenance any Brexit at all. It would do it for me. If the many millions who voted remain voted Lib, then matter resolved at one stroke. But as I and a million plus expats were not allowed to vote on the matter of Brexit - which side figured that bright one out? - maybe the system is so fixed that nothing much matters anymore.

[Robert Roaldi]

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.   America might be the only friend you have after Brexit.  If you want fair play, let's get rid of tariffs on all sides.

So let me get this straight. You've been in favour of Brexit from the start, but now you think that it will isolate the UK. So what was so good about exiting?

[kers]

Not really; the party is like the other big one: split asunder. Yes, on the one hand it might mean some Tories crossing over, but I think the cultural differences are set in stone. I think the only thing that may help is a massive shift to the Libs, but then the only thing I think that will attract some new voters is their refusal to countenance any Brexit at all. It would do it for me. If the many millions who voted remain voted Lib, then matter resolved at one stroke. But as I and a million plus expats were not allowed to vote on the matter of Brexit - which side figured that bright one out? - maybe the system is so fixed that nothing much matters anymore.

Are you telling me expats, being British citizens, could not vote in the Brexit referendum?

[jeremyrh]

Would it make a difference for the better if Corbyn would step down?

Why would it?

[jeremyrh]

Don't cut your nose off to spite your face.   America might be the only friend you have after Brexit.  If you want fair play, let's get rid of tariffs on all sides.

But we don't want or need anything you have to sell. 

[Alan Klein]

So let me get this straight. You've been in favour of Brexit from the start, but now you think that it will isolate the UK. So what was so good about exiting?

My country has imposed tariffs on China.  These are hurting us.  However, it's part of a battle we hope to win that have more important long-term consequences of stopping them from stealing our intellectual property and dealing with us in a more fair way.  So I'm willing to take the hit for a higher purpose.

Likewise, my position on regarding Brexit was that I couldn't see America being run politically by gnomes in another country.  Why would I want foreigners making laws I have to abide with in my country?  My freedoms, political and personal, and independence are more important than making a few extra bucks.  I also said that while there would be hardships for Britain, many countries currently including the US are not in the EU.  However, we have very good trade relations with Europe.  There's no reason Britain couldn;t do the same.  Of course, I don;t vote in Britain and I'm not British.  So it's their decision to make. 

[Alan Klein]

But we don't want or need anything you have to sell. 

So then you shouldn;t have any problem dropping all tariffs on our goods and allowing the import of all our stuff.

[jeremyrh]

Are you telling me expats, being British citizens, could not vote in the Brexit referendum?

 correct

[Alan Klein]

correct

What is an expatriate?  How does the government know you are one?  Does Britain have mail-in voting?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

correct

Not.

[jeremyrh]

So then you shouldn;t have any problem dropping all tariffs on our goods and allowing the import of all our stuff.

Unfortunately there is a short term effect where people buy cheap crap which results in higher quality local producers going bust and removal of choice. Thus the market needs correction in This case with tariffs.