Photo of caged children

[Alan Goldhammer]

What are those ways? And, to use your tactic, how many is "many"?

Many of them get ITINs

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... How are they lowering wages for jobs only they will fill?

I do not understand how is it even a question? When they come and offer to do the work for less, employers take it. Pretty soon, there are no Americans willing to work for so little, and bingo!, there is the proof that Americans do not want to do certain jobs.

I witness once a scene where an American contractor sent his team (of immigrants) to do the work. The team leader came up to the owner and whispered: "Hey, I can do this same work for a half. Here is my number."

Have you seen "Deadliest Catch"? A show about a crab-fishing job that is as unpleasant and dangerous as it gets. Have you seen Mexicans working there? Americans are not afraid to risk life and limb to do that job under extremely unpleasant circumstances. Why? It pays well.

[digitaldog]

Andrew,

I didn't ask you to go online and find somebody claiming illegal aliens pay taxes; anybody can do that. I asked you to explain how. How exactly would that work? They drop an anonymous envelope with cash in the IRS mailbox?

How, by filing a ITIN!

What is an ITIN?
It was created for tax purposes.  The ITIN program was created by the IRS in July 1996 so that foreign nationals and other individuals who are not eligible for a Social Security number (SSN) can pay the taxes they are legally required to pay.
ITINs are not SSNs.  The ITIN is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, for example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
Many immigrants have ITINs. People who do not have a lawful status in the United States may obtain an ITIN. In addition, the following people are lawfully in the country and must pay taxes but may not be eligible for a SSN and may obtain an ITIN:
A non-resident foreign national who owns or invests in a U.S. business and receives taxable income from that U.S. business, but lives in another country.
A foreign national student who qualifies as a resident of the United States (based on days present in the United States).
A dependent or spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident.
A dependent or spouse of a foreign national on a temporary visa.

Do I really have to continue teaching you about stuff NOT related to color and imaging?

[Frans Waterlander]

I do not understand how is it even a question? When they come and offer to do the work for less, employers take it. Pretty soon, there are no Americans willing to work for so little, and bingo!, there is the proof that Americans do not want to do certain jobs.

I witness once a scene where an American contractor sent his team (of immigrants) to do the work. The team leader came up to the owner and whispered: "Hey, I can do this same work for a half. Here is my number."

Have you seen "Deadliest Catch"? A show about a crab-fishing job that is as unpleasant and dangerous as it gets. Have you seen Mexicans working there? Americans are not afraid to risk life and limb to do that job under extremely unpleasant circumstances. Why? It pays well.

Slobodan,

Good points, but no rational argument is going to convert the true believers.

[Frans Waterlander]

How, by using a ITIN!

What is an ITIN?
It was created for tax purposes.  The ITIN program was created by the IRS in July 1996 so that foreign nationals and other individuals who are not eligible for a Social Security number (SSN) can pay the taxes they are legally required to pay.
ITINs are not SSNs.  The ITIN is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, for example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
Many immigrants have ITINs. People who do not have a lawful status in the United States may obtain an ITIN. In addition, the following people are lawfully in the country and must pay taxes but may not be eligible for a SSN and may obtain an ITIN:
A non-resident foreign national who owns or invests in a U.S. business and receives taxable income from that U.S. business, but lives in another country.
A foreign national student who qualifies as a resident of the United States (based on days present in the United States).
A dependent or spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident.
A dependent or spouse of a foreign national on a temporary visa.

Do I really have to continue teaching you about stuff NOT related to color and imaging?

Yes, explain how this works for illegals! Oh, you can't of course.

[digitaldog]

I do not understand how is it even a question?

That's an interesting and new excuse for not having the ability to answer a question. Are you certain you don't want to move to DC and work for the current administration? I mean a week ago, they told us they can't change the practice of separating children from families, only through changing the law, it's all the Dem's fault too. Then yesterday, they did what they repeatedly told the public that cannot do. They need staff big time, there was even a recent event in DC recruiting new people for the White House (despite Trumps lie that everyone wants a job in the White House). Seems a few folks here have proven they are prefect candidates for a job there.

[digitaldog]

Slobodan,
Good points, but no rational argument is going to convert the true believers.

Those that believe in facts and science, indeed. Those that believe anything they don't agree about being fake news, fake science, that's another group all together.

[digitaldog]

Yes, explain how this works for illegals! Oh, you can't of course.

Seems you wouldn't understand how to simply request and then fill out this ITIN!
By all means, ignore this as you do so well with other data you don't wish to accept:
Many immigrants have ITINs. People who do not have a lawful status in the United States may obtain an ITIN.

[texshooter]

Melania on the way to visit "caged" migrant children.  The media is going to have a field day with this one. A fashion faux pas worse than hurricane stilettos.




https://nypost.com/2018/06/21/melania-trump-wears-i-really-dont-care-do-u-jacket-to-border/

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

So far, Andrew, we've only heard, from you et al, of a possibility of anecdotal evidence, not even the evidence itself, let alone "how many." But never mind, I do not really care if they pay or not taxes. They are here illegally, which undermines the very foundation of this great nation: rule of law, in addition to economic and social consequences.

[digitaldog]

But never mind, I do not really care if they pay or not taxes.

Neither does Alan. Nor it seems like you, if who you hire is (oh the horror), an illegal immigrant. Again, the irony and hypocrisy rears it's ugly head here once again. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

That's an interesting and new excuse for not having the ability to answer a question...

I did answer the question, in the same post, in the most simple terms possible, with examples, so that even pigeons can understand.

[Frans Waterlander]

So far, Andrew, we've only heard, from you et al, of a possibility of anecdotal evidence, not even the evidence itself, let alone "how many." But never mind, I do not really care if they pay or not taxes. They are here illegally, which undermines the very foundation of this great nation: rule of law, in addition to economic and social consequences.

Amen to that, Slobodan!

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Neither does Alan. Nor it seems like you, if who you hire is (oh the horror), an illegal immigrant. Again, the irony and hypocrisy rears it's ugly head here once again. 

I never said I hire illegals. I do not. My "I do not care about them paying or not taxes" was in the context of that being used as a justification for amnesty.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Melania on the way to visit "caged" migrant children.  The media is going to have a field day with this one. A fashion faux pas worse than hurricane stilettos...

Oh, my!!!

Is that really true or just another fake news? If true, it is incredibly stupid of her and anyone around her. The explanation that "it's just a jacket, no hidden meaning" is even more stupid. No HIDDEN meaning? Of course it is not hidden when it can be seen from the Moon and means what is says.

Sheesh!!! And she is not even a blonde.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I do not understand how is it even a question? When they come and offer to do the work for less, employers take it. Pretty soon, there are no Americans willing to work for so little, and bingo!, there is the proof that Americans do not want to do certain jobs.

We used to have trade unions in this country that managed to negotiate good wages and benefits for employees.  Those are almost all gone with RTW legislation being the rule in most states now.  Look at how almost all manufacturing has exited the upper mid-west because the states were heavily unionized.  Why do you think foreign car manufactuers site their plants in southern RTW states (or even Mexico these days)?

The lawn and yard services in our area charge a good chunk of money (and yes as a 70 year old, I no longer do my own yard work).  The going rate is now about $40 a week for what is a 1/2 hour (at most) job.  I seldom see any Americans doing this kind of work other than the one who does our yard (he is the son of one of our old neighbors that hustled his own business when he graduated from high school and does quite well).

Have you seen "Deadliest Catch"? A show about a crab-fishing job that is as unpleasant and dangerous as it gets. Have you seen Mexicans working there? Americans are not afraid to risk life and limb to do that job under extremely unpleasant circumstances. Why? It pays well.

Any job presents peril of some sort.  Of course there was also that great film on the Atlantic fisherman who were caught in "The Perfect Storm"  So what?

[Alan Goldhammer]

So far, Andrew, we've only heard, from you et al, of a possibility of anecdotal evidence, not even the evidence itself, let alone "how many." But never mind, I do not really care if they pay or not taxes. They are here illegally, which undermines the very foundation of this great nation: rule of law, in addition to economic and social consequences.

Some obtained ITINs (we of course do not know how many) when the came in on a work visa and then stayed, 'becoming and illegal', but continuing to pay taxes using that same ITIN.  Dreamers were also allowed to join the US Military and President GW Bush signed an executive order that set this as a path to citizenship if they completed their military service and behaved honorably.  So much for something being a "law"

[digitaldog]

I never said I hire illegals. I do not. My "I do not care about them paying or not taxes" was in the context of that being used as a justification for amnesty.

Again, you post without reading. Do examine the word IF below*. But either way, how do you know? Ever eat out in what's called a Resturant?
Amnesty should be provided to people, like perhaps your father or grandfather, who came here to start a better life, who wish work hard, pay taxes, become good neighbors and so forth.
Amnesty should be allowed for people who flee their country to escape death and harm to themselves and their families. Without having to be subject to separation of their family in the process. Without being called rapists by someone who follows a rapists traits (grabbing women's genitals). 

Neither does Alan. Nor it seems like you, *if who you hire is (oh the horror), an illegal immigrant. Again, the irony and hypocrisy rears it's ugly head here once again.

[Alan Goldhammer]

And let's not forget the preferential treatment that has been given to Melania Trump's parents.  Oh wait, this was simple chain immigration that those in power right now don't like.  Oh the horror of it all.

[digitaldog]

Have you seen "Deadliest Catch"? A show about a crab-fishing job that is as unpleasant and dangerous as it gets. Have you seen Mexicans working there?

No, I have not see it. I take your word there are no Mexicans on that show. So your 'logic' if I can be so kind, because you've seen this TV show san's Mexicans, no Mexicans (legal or otherwise, you seem to believe many/all Mexicans are here illegally, the beginnings of a racist trait) or other nationalities therefore work on other fishing boats or do work many Americans refuse to do.
Man, the more you guys write the indefensible, the easier it gets to dismiss those indefensible and creeping into racist concepts.