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Photo of caged children
« on: June 20, 2018, 02:47:23 am »

Interesting that even in these days of video everywhere, it is a still photo of a child in the TrumpCages that has the most emotional impact.
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 07:01:48 am »

Along with a sound recording that has no image.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 08:06:54 am »

Along with a sound recording that has no image.
That audio is far more painful for me than any single photo I have seen.
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2018, 08:25:33 am »

So Obamacages have now become Trumpcages?
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 08:45:09 am »

So Obamacages have now become Trumpcages?
The difference is, Trumps hands are smaller among other parts, and his cages are much much larger.  :D
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 09:06:54 am »

So Obamacages have now become Trumpcages?
Feel free to back up your suggestion with something resembling evidence (photographic or otherwise) of children being caged during Obama's presidency.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 09:24:30 am »

It's more than a "suggestion," Jeremy: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/may/29/donald-trump/trump-correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/

Jeremy, I really should add that that's just one of many. What you're seeing is a huge push from the left to lay this on Trump's shoulders. From what I read in less biased sources like the Wall Street Journal, Trump's doing his best to get this fixed, but his fixes are being resisted by Democrats who want to be able to keep up the misinformation and the pressure.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 10:53:58 am »

It's more than a "suggestion," Jeremy: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/may/29/donald-trump/trump-correctly-tweets-democrats-mistakenly-tweete/

Jeremy, I really should add that that's just one of many. What you're seeing is a huge push from the left to lay this on Trump's shoulders. From what I read in less biased sources like the Wall Street Journal, Trump's doing his best to get this fixed, but his fixes are being resisted by Democrats who want to be able to keep up the misinformation and the pressure.

You should have quit while you were ahead. There may have been children in cages during Obama's presidency, but relatively few, and even fewer deliberately separated from their families. Trump could fix this the same way he broke it, but he chooses not to. It's just another step towards Trump's vision of Gilead.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 10:54:03 am »

According to DHS, 2342 children have been separated from their parents since last month.
How many children were separated in the 8 years under Obama?
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 11:04:12 am »

As Casey said, Andrew, "You could look it up." The point isn't how many kids were separated from their parents under Obama versus Trump. The vast majority -- more than 80% -- of the kids are sent across the border without their parents -- by their parents. You can look that up too. The point is to get this wretched situation under control. From everything I read, Trump's trying to do that. Part of the legislature is resisting. Guess which part that is. And I'll admit that The Stupid Party is acting stupid as usual, but we're at a point where the Dems could solve the problem if they didn't want to continue the pressure on Trump. At any cost.
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 12:26:26 pm »

As Casey said, Andrew, "You could look it up."
I did:
"Deportations haven't hit the high point reached during the early years of Obama, but one difference stands out in the first year of Trump: ICE arrests of unauthorized immigrants with no criminal record surged 146 percent in one year, to 37,734 from 15,353 over the same period".
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The point is to get this wretched situation under control.
Which Trump could do in a minute IF he wanted to!
Question: 6 months ago, prior to the so called zero tolerance, were as many kids being separated from their parents, the same or less? Look it up. What changed? Sessions under Trump ordering this new zero tolerance action in April. Trump could order Sessions to go back to the behavior Trump himself was abiding by with a phone call. He refuses to do this. Then he lies that this is the fault of the dem's when the facts are clear; that order* by Sessions caused this situation to what what it is today. At a massive cost to you and I as taxpayers too. Look up the cost to house the children separately per day, versus housing them with their parents which was the norm less than 4 months ago. What changed? This zero tolerance mandate*.

Now yes, we DO need to follow the law! However think about being pulled over by a cop because you were driving 56MPH in a 55MPH zone. That's what such a zero tolerance mandate ends up doing. I suspect you wouldn't be too happy about getting a ticket for going 1MPH over the speed limit. Yet you broke the law. Further these people being arrested face a mere misdemeanor! For that, we separate kids from their parents and pay nearly 2X to house them for how long, at what expense to their future behavior? It's simply unacceptable and unnecessary. And utterly un-American. The fix is easy too.

Want to put a bet that the upcoming bills in the House that are 'supposed' to fix this will not happen of if they do, the senate will fail to pass a bill? Or if they do actually manage to pass a bill in both houses, Trump will sign it? All this could stop today IF Trump wanted it to stop; he started it without altering the law. Bush and Obama didn't have this zero tolerance mandate, Trump does, by his own action. Do you really believe that it would be better to wait on the one branch of Government to write a new law than just have Trump tell Sessions to back off from what HE started a few months ago, all while more kids get separated from their parents? They can't even produce an emergency bill that solely addresses what to do with kids with parents who face this misdemeanor.
The political will to fix this doesn't exist with the people in power. The people who produced this awful situation in the first place.
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From everything I read, Trump's trying to do that.
Are you serious? Maybe you need to read other resources.*
Do you not know the history of what started this in the first place and who started it, a few months ago? Trump is a liar, can you accept WHO started this process of separation/when? He's trying how? Certainly not telling his AG to go back to the previous actions that AG, under Trump applied to get this mess going in the first place.

* https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/06/19/the-facts-about-trumps-policy-of-separating-families-at-the-border/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.633714ff9b09
I'm sorry if these facts ruin your day.  :'(
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2018, 12:33:53 pm »

How Clinton used to snatch kids from parents' or relatives' arms:

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2018, 12:35:07 pm »

How Clinton used to snatch kids from parents' or relatives' arms:
And turn them into sex slaves....
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2018, 12:40:07 pm »

And turn them into sex slaves....

Are you suggesting that the above posted photo is fake?

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2018, 12:58:06 pm »

Are you suggesting that the above posted photo is fake?
Not at all. Are you suggesting that this one kid, being taken at gun point equates to the thousands of kids today being taken from their parents?
Are you suggesting the 'right' hasn't stated Clinton ran a sex slave operation?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/04/conservative-daily-post/evidence-ridiculously-thin-sensational-claim-huge-/
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2018, 01:00:29 pm »

... There may have been children in cages during Obama's presidency, but relatively few, and even fewer deliberately separated from their families...

That there was less of that under Obama is the direct cause that now there has to be more of that.

(Hint: it incentivized sending children across the border, with or without parents)

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2018, 01:04:52 pm »

Not at all. Are you suggesting that this one kid, being taken at gun point equates to the thousands of kids today being taken from their parents?
Are you suggesting the 'right' hasn't stated Clinton ran a sex slave operation?...

I am suggesting that, when the government decides to enforce the law, it often ain't pretty. Clinton was right to do it (enforce the law, thought the image wasn't pretty), just as Trump is right to do it (enforce the law, thought the image isn't pretty).

Your red herring about sex slaves has nothing to do with this thread, so I won't respond to that.

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2018, 01:13:48 pm »

I am suggesting that, when the government decides to enforce the law, it often ain't pretty. Clinton was right to do it (enforce the law, thought the image wasn't pretty), just as Trump is right to do it (enforce the law, thought the image isn't pretty).
Your red herring about sex slaves has nothing to do with this thread, so I won't respond to that.
It isn't pretty and as we've seen, it's massively uglier when people like Trump and Sessions go out of their way to make it uglier. Worse, when they lie that it isn't their fault with the facts, as provided, prove that they indeed are the cause of new and unnecessary ugliness. Or do you believe like RLS, that Trump really doesn’t like what he and Sessions have done and can't themselves fix what they created?
I don't expect an answer, like the one's I asked you (pick one of three doors) in the Cooling Earth thread. As answering would submit you to admitting what you clearly don't wish to admit.  ;)
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Your red herring about sex slaves has nothing to do with this thread, so I won't respond to that.
It illustrates the lengths some will go to fool themselves into believing what isn't true.
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Re: Photo of caged children
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2018, 01:41:01 pm »

BBC is reporting that an XO is being drafted to annul the policy. Gambit appears to have failed.
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2018, 01:50:03 pm »

Our hero, what a guy!


President Donald Trump, under pressure from angry members of his own party, said Wednesday that he would be "signing something in a little while" that would keep families together at the border, halting a policy he instituted earlier this year.

The spin (polite for lie) about what a humanitarian he is will soon follow.
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