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Steve Hendrix

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2018, 05:46:46 pm »

one
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Phase-One-XF-IQ3-100MP-Camera-Kit-80mm-Lens-152-clicks-Absolutely-LN/253526371585?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D51001%26meid%3D3deabf648e0d490d9d564186bd335c2a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D253526371585%26itm%3D253526371585&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A74139bf2-4ab8-11e8-a159-74dbd180a142%7Cparentrq%3A0b38f2c61630a86bde2e173dffffb484%7Ciid%3A1

two
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Phase-One-XF-IQ3-100-Trichromatic-Set-Boxed/282902324304?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D51001%26meid%3D3deabf648e0d490d9d564186bd335c2a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D253526371585%26itm%3D282902324304&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A74139bf2-4ab8-11e8-a159-74dbd180a142%7Cparentrq%3A0b38f2c61630a86bde2e173dffffb484%7Ciid%3A1

three
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Phaseone-IQ3-100-MP-Boitier-XF-Schneider-Kreuznach-80mm/232740895252?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D51001%26meid%3D3deabf648e0d490d9d564186bd335c2a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D253526371585%26itm%3D232740895252&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A74139bf2-4ab8-11e8-a159-74dbd180a142%7Cparentrq%3A0b38f2c61630a86bde2e173dffffb484%7Ciid%3A1

four
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Phase-One-XF-with-IQ3-29518-1/282540966303?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D51001%26meid%3D3deabf648e0d490d9d564186bd335c2a%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D253526371585%26itm%3D282540966303&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A74139bf2-4ab8-11e8-a159-74dbd180a142%7Cparentrq%3A0b38f2c61630a86bde2e173dffffb484%7Ciid%3A1


Thanks Bo. I didn't do so bad, the 2 Phase One IQ3 100 listings I found in the USA were the ones you cited.

But again, in the USA, one listing from a non Phase One dealer, probably took a trade in toward something and isn't comfortable selling it directly, and the second from  legacy Leica dealer, probably the same situation. And perhaps at least one of those dealers in the UK also a Leica dealer.

There are also 26 Hasselblad X1D listings on eBay.

None of this really means anything. You've always been able to find high end digital capture products on eBay.



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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2018, 05:56:30 pm »

Gotcha, but I was talking about lights suitable for normal studio use, and I don't think these are going to do me much good. I need to be able to use standard light modifiers.

I didn't sit through the whole hour and fifteen-minute video. Actually, I couldn't sand more than a few minutes, so I didn't see the spectrum. I did find the web page that describes the lights.

Thanks.

Jim

Jim,

 If you are in the studio, and your subjects are not fragile I would recommend tungsten, from a flash brand eg, Elinchrom so you can use modifiers modifiers.
 The spectrum is smooth, a color transform usually takes care of tungsten's low CT, and you can always stick a filter on the camera.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #62 on: April 29, 2018, 05:59:20 pm »

Rob, if I remember correctly Pussy was killed off in series 2.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #63 on: April 29, 2018, 09:15:09 pm »

I do a lot of jewelry and some fashion photography.
I used Capture One and Phocus.
I did the tests with a mix of jewelry where the colors are usually not so easy to get. And the color of a stone in jewelry can sometimes make a $100k price difference.
I was surprised that the Phase One was a lot closer to the original colors because I thought the Hasselblad should be better with the multi shot. But it was not. I was showing the photos to the client I had the jewelry from together with photos of other cameras I did the test with (two other Phase Ones, Canon 5Ds R, Nikon D850) and she pointed immediately to the photo of the Trichromatic.
So just a test with the work I do and the way I work.
Hi i also shoot mostly jewelry and gems, in my experience with gems due their properties the multishot not necessarily helps, nor any of the cameras listed would get right on the spot, while trichromatic might get you closer to the point, but still you would have to manually adjust the colors in the software of your choice, the main advantage of the MF i see in the hue transitions...as of lighting i'm using profoto 7A powerpack and didn't have any troubles in focus stacking work...

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #64 on: April 30, 2018, 01:55:49 am »

I didn't sit through the whole hour and fifteen-minute video. Actually, I couldn't sand more than a few minutes, so I didn't see the spectrum.

Ditto. I am not going to watch over an hour of video to get info about a product. Is there a direct link to a datasheet with the spectrum, please?
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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #65 on: April 30, 2018, 03:37:05 am »

Rob, if I remember correctly Pussy was killed off in series 2.

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You are confusing Italians with Frenchmen, New Jersey for Paris!

*These are testing times!(

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The above is code for what happens when you write using the keyboard set for English, when it's actually designed to be Spanish.

That may provide the sole reasonable reason I have found for Brexit.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #66 on: April 30, 2018, 03:41:24 am »


Thanks Bo. I didn't do so bad, the 2 Phase One IQ3 100 listings I found in the USA were the ones you cited.

But again, in the USA, one listing from a non Phase One dealer, probably took a trade in toward something and isn't comfortable selling it directly, and the second from  legacy Leica dealer, probably the same situation. And perhaps at least one of those dealers in the UK also a Leica dealer.

There are also 26 Hasselblad X1D listings on eBay.

None of this really means anything. You've always been able to find high end digital capture products on eBay.



Steve Hendrix/CI

It does mean something - that is what the thread is about. The point is that these have all gone online very recently. There haven't been any 100's on ebay at all up until very recently. I've never seen so many Phase One backs being sold that are "like new" or near mint. That's not just ebay. It appears they are being offloaded in outside channels to either make way for a new system and also because people are speculating that there is trouble at Phase One given the current environment and trend for mirrorless.

There are more X1D's because the price is relatively much lower and they are more common. The X1D appears to being sold off in the same manner, prices slashed, with a new model rumoured to be coming.
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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #67 on: April 30, 2018, 05:45:06 am »

Gotcha, but I was talking about lights suitable for normal studio use, and I don't think these are going to do me much good. I need to be able to use standard light modifiers.

Agreed. These are for art reproduction, not general studio use.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #68 on: April 30, 2018, 09:00:32 am »

Well...Phase One new iXM

I guess making the 1st 100MP BSI sensor camera has kept us busy  ;)

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #69 on: April 30, 2018, 09:01:31 am »

There haven't been any 100's on ebay at all up until very recently.

That is not true. I bought mine (from a dealer) in June of 2016 and there were 3 on eBay way back then.

Dave
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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #70 on: April 30, 2018, 10:25:30 am »

If you are in the studio, and your subjects are not fragile I would recommend tungsten, from a flash brand eg, Elinchrom so you can use modifiers.
 The spectrum is smooth, a color transform usually takes care of tungsten's low CT, and you can always stick a filter on the camera.

I agree about the upside of incandescent light. I just can no longer stand the heat (so I've gotten out of the kitchen, as the saying goes). I'm even getting rid of strobes that use incandescent modeling lights so I don't have to worry about overheating the strobes with some modifiers.   I do stick my spectrophotometer under every new LED I get, though.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #71 on: April 30, 2018, 01:01:01 pm »

It does mean something - that is what the thread is about. The point is that these have all gone online very recently. There haven't been any 100's on ebay at all up until very recently. I've never seen so many Phase One backs being sold that are "like new" or near mint. That's not just ebay. It appears they are being offloaded in outside channels to either make way for a new system and also because people are speculating that there is trouble at Phase One given the current environment and trend for mirrorless.

There are more X1D's because the price is relatively much lower and they are more common. The X1D appears to being sold off in the same manner, prices slashed, with a new model rumoured to be coming.




The (2) USA and (2) UK sellers you've referenced on eBay - 3 of whom who are not even authorized Phase One dealers - don't indicate anything at all. And, as Dave noted, 100mp products have been seen on eBay before now.

I can tell you that the 2 largest dealers in the USA (and among the top 2-3 in the world) are selling IQ1/IQ3 100 product the same way we always have, directly, with our existing and prospective clients.

Photokina is in September. It's been over 2 years since the original Phase One 100mp model shipped. It has been over a year since X1D models began shipping. There have been published reports of new sensors from Sony.

Isn't it logical that a new model bearing a new sensor would be along at some point? Perhaps later this year, perhaps next year. There is no news here or anything unusual about this. How one goes from 1 single authorized dealer with 1 IQ3 100 listed on eBay meaning Phase One has financial troubles is something for sewing circle specialists.


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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #72 on: April 30, 2018, 02:19:53 pm »

Well...Phase One new iXM

I guess making the 1st 100MP BSI sensor camera has kept us busy  ;)

BR

Yair

Wait...hold on....100mp, 33x44mm, and BSI?  If so, I'm guessing this is the first camera out there with one of the new sony chips they teased us on the roadmap?
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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #73 on: April 30, 2018, 02:40:53 pm »

Hi,

It seems so, and storage is XQD. Possibly paired up with some new lens technology.

Now, just add an EVF and some decent autofocus...

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Wait...hold on....100mp, 33x44mm, and BSI?  If so, I'm guessing this is the first camera out there with one of the new sony chips they teased us on the roadmap?
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« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2018, 02:43:36 pm »

Well...Phase One new iXM

I guess making the 1st 100MP BSI sensor camera has kept us busy  ;)

Are you using the IMX461?

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« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2018, 02:47:53 pm »

Seems so...

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Are you using the IMX461?

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2018, 08:19:58 pm »

Wait...hold on....100mp, 33x44mm, and BSI?  If so, I'm guessing this is the first camera out there with one of the new sony chips they teased us on the roadmap?

Seems so...

Correct.

Yet another first claimed by Team Phase One, owed to its significant investment in R+D over the past decade.

For those keeping track at home (get out your bingo cards), using ship dates:
- First with long exposures
- First to 60mp
- First to 80mp
- First to MF CMOS*
- First to 100mp
- First to MF BSI

And those are just the modern sensor-based examples of firsts :).

Do note, that the iXM 100mp is quite specific to industrial applications such as aerial mapping. You won't be shooting selfies, cats, or landscape images with it anytime soon. And it's unclear when P1 or anyone else will use this sensor or its future cousins, into a standard photographic product. It's typically much easier to incorporate new sensors into industrial products than products with pesky requirements like batteries, viewfinders, LCDs, menus, user interfaces in multiple languages, on-camera live view, and high volumes of final-production sensors.
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« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2018, 10:12:16 pm »

Who cares? Phase may be first to market with a product for a totally niche market with nosebleed pricing, which sort of confirms where Phase is headed. However, it may very well be last to market with an actual camera that uses the new sensor and that photographers want to buy. Perhaps never to market.

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« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2018, 10:30:53 pm »

Who cares? Phase may be first to market with a product for a totally niche market with nosebleed pricing, which sort of confirms where Phase is headed. However, it may very well be last to market with an actual camera that uses the new sensor and that photographers want to buy. Perhaps never to market.

We're being very antiPhase here. It would be easier to just state that Pentax, Fuji and Hassy are now selling well below the Phase pricepoint, and the more units they sell, the more they will be getting the best chips.

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Re: Large amount of P1 backs for sales
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2018, 11:08:41 pm »

We're being very antiPhase here. It would be easier to just state that Pentax, Fuji and Hassy are now selling well below the Phase pricepoint, and the more units they sell, the more they will be getting the best chips.

I don’t think so.

P1 has chosen a business model that apparently works for them and that model means they are not interested in serving 99.99% of the market.

Other manufacturers have chosen to address 0.1% of the market instead of 0.01%, it is only natural that they get more praise from the 10 times more numerous users.

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