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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #400 on: June 22, 2016, 01:37:30 pm »

http://www.adorama.com/hsx1d50c.html?utm_source=rflaid67913
Adorable has more info on it including the fact it can shoot 39mp square format and x-pan which is all previewed live in the evf
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« Reply #401 on: June 22, 2016, 01:38:40 pm »

That's pretty wide for MF, I don't think anyone else offers wider than 24/25mm even on the Pentax 33x44mm limited system.

24mm, 30mm, 45mm and 90mm would certainly be a good start though and this does generally seem to be well aimed at the travel/landscape market.
Phase One has a 28mm which is equivalent to 17mm on a full frame 35mm sensor when used with the IQx60, x80 and 3-100 backs!  There's also lenses for technical cameras that are in the low 20's which get you way wide when using a MF back.  Phase ships the A-series with a 23mm which when paired with a x60, x80, or100mp back is about like a 14mm on a full frame 35mm camera.
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« Reply #402 on: June 22, 2016, 01:51:00 pm »

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #403 on: June 22, 2016, 02:12:10 pm »

Wouldn't it be good if Hasselblad bought up Apple's Aperture & developed that, giving their users a fully-fledged alternative to LR?

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #404 on: June 22, 2016, 02:19:47 pm »

MTF of the new lenses look nice.

the 90mm f/3.2 MTF looks really fantastic. Look at the almost straight lines, f3.2 almost as good as at f8. very similar to the sharpest HC lens which is 150 f/3.2 IMO.
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #405 on: June 22, 2016, 02:29:12 pm »

Yes the lack of FPS is a big disappointment for frankenstein-camera-builders. However, how many of those (us) are there, really? Over the past few years I've seen the architectural/technical camera genre been constantly hammered. Copal is out, Schneider is out, sensor-lens compatibility is mediocre at best. Phase is talking about "hey, maybe you should crop and do keystoning instead". Simply put, no-one except the Alpa/Cambo/Arca/Linhof cares about this segment. They adapt as much as they can, just as photographers have to do. The A7r working out on tech cams is just a fortunate side effect.

The logical explanation to that this segment is so hugely ignored is that there's no money to make in it, so why make products for it?

Sure I'd love tech cams to be a significant market, but over the years I've become a lot more pessimistic about that. It would be interesting to have some actual statistics on where the sales go.

For genres of architecture and landscape, which general speaking require wider lenses, I do agree with you to an extent.  (I still think you are at the far end of being too concerned with lens cast and that the current wide line-up is fine for almost all needs, but I digress.)  However, for studio and table top work, where you are using longer lenses, having a good deal of shift and tilt/swing is very beneficial. 

There are things you just can not replicate in post with movements. 

So, the need for technical cameras (with bellows) is still very huge.  Yes, the focus stacking aspect of the XF is great, but you don't always want images that look like they were shot at f/64, but may want to manipulate the focus to an extent.  Plus, if something is moving, like liquids, focus stacking is impossible. 

Having an in-camera shutter here would have been a great advantage for studio shooters. 
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #406 on: June 22, 2016, 03:38:21 pm »

For genres of architecture and landscape, which general speaking require wider lenses, I do agree with you to an extent.  (I still think you are at the far end of being too concerned with lens cast and that the current wide line-up is fine for almost all needs, but I digress.)  However, for studio and table top work, where you are using longer lenses, having a good deal of shift and tilt/swing is very beneficial. 

There are things you just can not replicate in post with movements. 

So, the need for technical cameras (with bellows) is still very huge.  Yes, the focus stacking aspect of the XF is great, but you don't always want images that look like they were shot at f/64, but may want to manipulate the focus to an extent.  Plus, if something is moving, like liquids, focus stacking is impossible. 

Having an in-camera shutter here would have been a great advantage for studio shooters.

I do agree that I am in the far end, as I not only look at actual end results but at the fact if the sensor+lens combination leaves the sensor operating in its designed range. It's obvious that newer sensor designs totally disregarded from tech lens lines, and as a side effect of very good progress in dynamic range and color separation it can be somewhat masked. The point is that the trend is there -- for Phase One / Hasselblad it's not seen as a major issue, they look at their main systems and tech cam get what they get, if it happens to work, that's fine let's ride the wave a bit longer, if not, that's fine too. Their long-term idea is that features like super-high resolution, improved perspective reprojection in post, and focus-stacking will eventually bring tech cam users to their main systems. I certainly agree that it's not the same, but some things just fade away even if they had some merit... :-/

Historically Hasselblad has been much worse than Phase One on the tech cam support too. While they had the Kodak sensor and Phase One ditched them for Dalsa, Hassy had a great opportunity to push hard the superiority of the Kodak on tech lenses (especially the Digitars), but they totally missed out. So it's not surprising that they don't do it now either.

But this is perhaps not so much about tech, but third-party compatibility in general, as FPS would be used for SLR lenses (with tech lenses we can use Copal and flash-sync perhaps, if the camera has it?). Hasselblad doesn't have too good history there either, they want you to stay within the Hasselblad ecosystem...
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #407 on: June 22, 2016, 03:40:19 pm »

I would love this camera for architecture.  Live view, a slim body, and access to great lenses with leaf shutters sounds perfect. 

However, $8k for the body, $4k+ for the HTS, and $6k for the 24mmHCD..oh yeah...and probably what...$500 for the adapter to H lenses.  All that to get a roughly 26mm equivalent field of view shift lens for architecture. 

That's a steep price.  I already own a Phase back, H system, and Cambo system.  I would LOVE to switch over and gain more than ISO 50 and a prehistoric working method.

It is a very appealing camera.  I wish us architectural photographers got a bit more love out there.  Or is everyone satisfied with 5DS and a shift lens?     
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #408 on: June 22, 2016, 03:45:45 pm »

This is a total game changer. Putting Medium Format into such a tiny body and dropping $16K of the H6-50c price is absolutely ridiculously incredible. This puts Hasselblad back in the game, something most of us thought would not be possible. I was expecting a half baked hyped up junk product but it is not. Well done Hasselblad for setting a cat amongst the pigeons - Very interested to see how disrupts the industry and how they react.

Re no Focal Plane Shutter - It seems the camera has an electronic shutter instead. On the Mode dial it says Mq. This is apparently Manual-quiet so a way to adapt lenses within the parameters of current electronic shutter technology. Pentax put a shutter in their Q/K adapter and there is nothing to say Hasselblad or someone else won't create one. I think there will be some surprises left for Photokina and this might just be one of them. I am also expecting/hoping for a 70mm f2 or faster. It's odd there is no standard lens at launch and I feel this could be why.
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #409 on: June 22, 2016, 03:48:38 pm »

AFAIK an electronic shutter will make the sensor lose significant dynamic range, if so it's probably still not a real option for architecture photography. I'm not 100% sure if this is the case though...
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #410 on: June 22, 2016, 04:16:57 pm »

Well now you know!

As I've said I think this is a lovely camera and it feels fantastic in your hands.

Some of the posts here are pretty funny, especially the ones who say "I can't believe they didn't put this thing in, it's so cheap and easy to do"

Do you really think that Hasselblad decided not to put cheap and easy things in just to annoy people?

C'mon it's a great piece of kit I think it will be a great walk about camera, can't wait to get hold of one.
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« Reply #411 on: June 22, 2016, 04:27:05 pm »

Interesting, no meter/feet reading on the lenses. Focus-by-wire?
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« Reply #412 on: June 22, 2016, 04:28:48 pm »

Put me also firmly in the "I really really want this!" camp.  Medium format in a camera that's basically the size of my APS-C DSLR?  How is that not exciting?!

Some fodder for thought, Pentax Q lenses have the shutter built in.  For their Q to K mount adapter, they included a mechanical shutter:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/891530-REG/Pentax_Adapter_Q_for_K_mount.html

So it's definitely possible to build an adapter with a built-in shutter that talks to the camera.  I'm guessing a Hassy version will cost a bit more than the Pentax, but saying there's still hope for a series of adapters for those complaining about the lack of a focal plane shutter.



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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #413 on: June 22, 2016, 04:29:32 pm »

Maybe I missed this, but what sort of weather sealing is on this body/new lenses? I'm not immediately in the market but as an H system user, I could see myself considering this as a backup/walk around body. But I'd really want it to be something I could throw in a bag and use anywhere, not (as) worried about the fragile/expensive tool (I baby my H/Credo set up).
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« Reply #414 on: June 22, 2016, 04:39:23 pm »

It would be fun to try out on an Actus.
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« Reply #415 on: June 22, 2016, 04:52:47 pm »

This camera gives me headaches.

There is so much really nice stuff. The menues look good, the formfactor is nice, the size is great.

BUT: why oh why - did Blad decide to keep this a part of the H System with leafshutters involved ? for... what ?
Light and carry backpack shooters will most likely not use studio flashes. For all the others there is now HSS if needed.
Excluding this camera from a simple adapter solution because of the lacking FPS is such a total misconception of the understanding
of the success of the mirrorless bodies. It´s about the lenses Hasselblad - all these wide open old or new pieces of glass that
invite the creative spirit for experiment ? You could have done that , making some nice f2.0 or brighter series for that camera especially ?
No leaf shutter, which is only a source of additional headaches (as we heard before ?).

And then: no 4K finder ? Epson sells these, they are available for some time now. A 9000$ body which cannot get the best out there in finders ?

and finally: I get the point that making a 4K video option in a high quality way may have been difficult. But at least some more punch on the video side
like mabe 120fps in full HD, Log S or some of these goodies ....?

Sigh......

Such a nice camera. But a "close to" hit is still a miss.

I don´t even want to speak of the now cannibalizing effect of this body for all the hobbyists that have been buying H6D before and can now get the Blad name and the lenses on a 7k $ less expensive body ? Did nobody speak with the dealers first ?

BIG Sigh

I wish Hasselblad Luck. They will need it.

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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #416 on: June 22, 2016, 04:52:51 pm »

Just wondering - the look on Perry Oosting's face, and the tone in his voice, when talking about Nitto and not Fuji for lenses was quite guarded and odd I thought.

Fuji have not done the lenses on this because they are probably about to launch their own camera at Photokina.
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« Reply #417 on: June 22, 2016, 04:59:15 pm »

Yes the lack of FPS is a big disappointment for frankenstein-camera-builders. However, how many of those (us) are there, really? Over the past few years I've seen the architectural/technical camera genre been constantly hammered. Copal is out, Schneider is out, sensor-lens compatibility is mediocre at best. Phase is talking about "hey, maybe you should crop and do keystoning instead". Simply put, no-one except the Alpa/Cambo/Arca/Linhof cares about this segment. They adapt as much as they can, just as photographers have to do. The A7r working out on tech cams is just a fortunate side effect.

The logical explanation to that this segment is so hugely ignored is that there's no money to make in it, so why make products for it?

Sure I'd love tech cams to be a significant market, but over the years I've become a lot more pessimistic about that. It would be interesting to have some actual statistics on where the sales go.

It's not just for tech cam makers.
How many A7R2 users are using Canon lenses? Hint: A lot.

It would have been nice if one could use Canon/ mamiya/ nikon etc. lenses on this.
For me personally, if this had an FPS, I would have gotten rid of the nikon gear, bought an adapter for my mamiya lenses plus maybe a canon 24 TSE. No frankencamera necessary.
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Re: Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?
« Reply #418 on: June 22, 2016, 04:59:40 pm »

Just wondering - the look on Perry Oosting's face, and the tone in his voice, when talking about Nitto and not Fuji for lenses was quite guarded and odd I thought.


I missed that but check out the MTF for the 90mm, absolutely amazing.
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« Reply #419 on: June 22, 2016, 05:02:27 pm »

I missed that but check out the MTF for the 90mm, absolutely amazing.

which may be indicating that they use the electronically (by Firmware) corrected MTF´s only........
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