Hasselblad's "game changer" 22nd of June?

[Christopher]

how does everyone like the look of the camera (if this is real). for me the lenses are too big compared to the body, and I don't like it too much on the look. But besides that they have done a great job. still like smaller lenses on a bigger body (Leica M, Mamiya 7). I still think design is an important selling point in the area Hasselblad is aiming. one of the reasons why some camera makes selling better than others.

If you want to have good lenses for a 50MP sensor you need a certain size, especially if you want to have fast lenses.

[Franzl]

If you want to have good lenses for a 50MP sensor you need a certain size, especially if you want to have fast lenses.

this is not true, as those lenses are not fast...autofocus makes lenses bigger...mamiya 7 lenses look smaller than those here.

[siddhaarta]

Design-wise, for me, it seems a mixed bag. I like the reminescence of SWC (although you miss the back…), but from behind it seems like a Leica T. Strange. Touch screen, but also with buttons and wheels.

I had some (totally unfounded) hope that Zeiss will come back for lenses. I am not a fan of Fuji-Hasselblad lenses. Its obvious that they try to keep the lenses small (3,2/3,5, corresponding to 2,5/2,8 in 35 terms) which makes sense, also price-wise. I personally like lenses with smaller DOF.

[Franzl]

Design-wise, for me, it seems a mixed bag. I like the reminescence of SWC (although you miss the back…), but from behind it seems like a Leica T. Strange. Touch screen, but also with buttons and wheels.

I had some (totally unfounded) hope that Zeiss will come back for lenses. I am not a fan o Fuji-Hasselblad lenses. Its obvious that they try to keep the lenses small (3,2/3,5, corresponding to 2,5/2,8 in 35 terms) which makes sense, also price-wise. I personally like lenses with smaller DOF.

can just aggree 100%...also the DOF of a 35mm Format lens at 1,4 will be nicer than it might be from one of those lenses. also wondering about the time Hasselblad is announcing this? is it just they want to be the first, as Fuji announces a similiar system (with same lenses) at photokina or why not wait till Photokina if it is such a game changer and be the "star" when there is the full fair press buzz about cams...

[narikin]

Yes and the last place I would preorder. Don't think they will get any Hassi cameras soon.

Well, your loss. KM camera are one of the two legendary camera stores of NYC left in business. Robert Frank goes there for goodness sake!

The other is Jeff Hirsch at Fotocare, who, between him and Peter at KM, cover every great photographer in the city. Just you keep on shopping at B&H if you want. All the easier for the rest of us to get really knowledgeable personal attention.

[Christopher]

Well, your loss. KM camera are one of the two legendary camera stores of NYC left in business. Robert Frank goes there for goodness sake!

The other is Jeff Hirsch at Fotocare, who, between him and Peter at KM, cover every great photographer in the city. Just you keep on shopping at B&H if you want. All the easier for the rest of us to get really knowledgeable personal attention.

Great for you. I actually wouldn't want to buy anything in the US if I don't have to. To many electronic products have a way shorter warranty.

[skierd]

I'm a big fan of what this camera appears to be, and the pricing is in the realm of reason like the Pentax 645 digitals. I'm very excited to see what adapters pop up for this body too, there's lots of great glass out there.

How hard would it be to include a shutter in an adapter if indeed the native lenses have the shutter build in?

[Christopher]

I'm a big fan of what this camera appears to be, and the pricing is in the realm of reason like the Pentax 645 digitals. I'm very excited to see what adapters pop up for this body too, there's lots of great glass out there.

How hard would it be to include a shutter in an adapter if indeed the native lenses have the shutter build in?

I don't know exactly, but my guess would be pretty hard and expensive.

[narikin]

Might I just point out that the Alpa FPS has provided an MF mirrorless solution to many of us for years. It's sitting right beside me now as I take a coffee break on location!

Currently setup for 100mp with 60mm lens. Focal plane shutter and Zeiss optical finder. No EVF as yet, but it's pretty obvious that's coming soon.

Just sayin' !

[torger]

Just sayin' !

So what did that cost, and how much does it weigh?

[ErikKaffehr]

Hi,

Good point…

But the X1D is a fully integrated camera with a much lower price tag. That is not saying the FPS is not great, just saying that the X1D is different.

Would I buy? I don't know! A lot of money for another platform. I am quite happy with the A7rII I have now. Also, I have spent to much on the A7rII to junp on another train.

I would guess that we will see a Fujinon sibling pretty soon.

Anyway, it seems that some new things are coming from Hasselblad and that is great to see!

Best regards
Erik

Might I just point out that the Alpa FPS has provided an MF mirrorless solution to many of us for years. It's sitting right beside me now as I take a coffee break on location!

Currently setup for 100mp with 60mm lens. Focal plane shutter and Zeiss optical finder. No EVF as yet, but it's pretty obvious that's coming soon.

Just sayin' !

[torger]

can just aggree 100%...also the DOF of a 35mm Format lens at 1,4 will be nicer than it might be from one of those lenses.

To me the look of fast lenses are overrated, or rather like grunge HDR -- made boring through it's overuse. I'm not particularly fond of portraits when only a slit at the eyes are in focus, or totally blurring out the background. To me it's more refined taste to stop down a little. As long as these new lenses have great quality wide open, which I'm sure they have, then I have no problem with their "small" largest aperture.

[siddhaarta]

The only real advantage I can see in mirrorless for MFD is the possibility to reach critical focus handhold. On the tripod, LW on the rear screen works just fine.

The compactness argument had proven nearly false already with the A7, as at the end, equipment weight has a lot to do with lenses and here physical laws can't be fooled (at least if you do not invent something like the Nikon 300 PF...)

[narikin]

But...  this is MF digital forum, we don't discuss price do we?!

It weighs less than an XF, but more than this new Hassy. But has twice as many pixels, so it has to be heavier, right?! 

and... has an extraordinary range of lenses. (All of Canon, Nikon, most of Hasselblad, Rodenstock, Schneider, etc)

[Christopher]

Hasselblad is probably laughing right now as the new camera doesn't have 50MP but the new 100Mp. That would be a game changer. Especially below 9K

[siddhaarta]

If this price is correct, it is a real danger for their new H6D 50MP (27.000 EUR), especially IF it will allow the use of H lenses.

If it's a 100MP sensor it would be a game changer and suicide ...

[hubell]

To me the look of fast lenses are overrated, or rather like grunge HDR -- made boring through it's overuse. I'm not particularly fond of portraits when only a slit at the eyes are in focus, or totally blurring out the background. To me it's more refined taste to stop down a little. As long as these new lenses have great quality wide open, which I'm sure they have, then I have no problem with their "small" largest aperture.

So true. There are trade offs between how fast a lens is and its size/weight. For my photography needs, I am way more interested in somewhat slower but smaller/lighter lenses. The Hasselblad X1D seems to check that box. Compare the Leica SL.....what were they thinking? A 35mm FF mirrorless with lenses the size of bazookas.

[torger]

If this price is correct, it is a real danger for their new H6D 50MP (27.000 EUR), especially IF it will allow the use of H lenses.

I think it will allow for H lenses via adapter, almost certainly, although the adapter may not be immediately available.

It will still be (almost) as little threat to H6D-50c as the CFV-50c (which is at $10k). Why? They've surely removed some features that professional studio photographers need (which is the H6D-50c focus group), but enthusiasts don't. Perhaps there no possibility to tether for example. I also think that most studio professionals actually like to hold a SLR with a "real" viewfinder still for some time.

If this camera is successful, perhaps in the longer term it will set a new standard for medium format pricing and the H systems will go down in price too (aiming for more volume). That would be nice...

[gazwas]

Hasselblad is probably laughing right now as the new camera doesn't have 50MP but the new 100Mp. That would be a game changer. Especially below 9K

Lets hope so!

As a camera for architecture it will be perfect mounted to a mini view camera but with a 1.3 crop sensor no so great and the much talked about Sony A9 would fit better IMO.

[siddhaarta]

I don't think you can compare this camera with the CFV 50c back. We are talking of a whole camera with EVF. The CFV 50c is nice for tech cams (cross talk included) and the Hasselblad "oldtimers" (I have 3 of them), but with all the problems involved (focus precision, legacy lenses made for film and another format, etc.)