Covid 19 Updates Part 2

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Big countries with socialized medicine. Hmmmm....

A virus doesn't care about your political persuasion, as you should know...

[LesPalenik]

Canada has 5.

Canada was included in the post #654 on pg 33 to which Slobodan responded. Here it is again:

Deaths per 1 million
S. Korea - 3
Australia - 1
Finland - 3
Greece - 5
Singapore - 1
Croatia - 2
Canada - 5
Czechia - 4

Germany - 13
USA - 18
UK - 43

France - 83
Spain - 243
Italy - 230

[JoeKitchen]

The dates are not super accurate but the article below, on top of all the evidence shown by others here demonstrate that Trump is at least two weeks late in his reactions.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5103335002

And that’s 2 weeks late compared to a country (France) that was itself late by 2 weeks.

But I don’t even know why I am trying to provide you with facts since, once again, you have obviously decided that you could do without them.

Cheers,
Bernard

The fact is, he took actions, some drastic actions, which you are insisting he did not. 

France was hit before we were, so they were forced to take actions prior to us.  Would I have liked Trump to do so earlier, maybe.  Do I think the country would have listened earlier, no.  But that is not the point.  He did take some very serious actions and has continued to evolve as more data has come in. 

On top of that, we have a federal form of government, and Trump can not legally shut down the country.  Only governors can do that.  Holding him responsible for actions of the governor's shows a complete lack of knowledge on USA civics. 

[Alan Klein]

Here is another country with socialized medicine: Germany  - only 13 deaths per 1 million

My New Jersey has gotten hit pretty hard due to our proximity to NYC where many people commute for work.  They apparently brought the disease back to NJ.  If you look at the current map and statistics, you can see how NJ counties closest to NYC are worse.  There are 61 deaths per million and going up.  By comparison, every year, a total of about 8500 per million die in the US of all causes.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/new-jersey-coronavirus-cases.html
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Seriously!? Because you say so?

No, because people who are (still) capable of thinking know that the spread of a virus doesn't care about how large the population is. It just takes a bit longer before all of the people get infected. The growth rate is only dependent on the preventative, or (at a later stage) mitigation, attempts put into actual action.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Bart, I really dont think any of the Democratic Governors listen to him.  If they did, we would not have any sanctuary cities or states.  Please provide me with which governors you are talking about.

Georgia Governor, Brian Kemp.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/georgia-governor-admits-he-just-learned-asymptomatic-people-can-spread-covid-19-81570885546

[JoeKitchen]

Johns Hopkins has identified 1,007,977 cases known to have been infected worldwide, of which most have been in the US.
Global death toll has passed 50,000
Italy remains the worst affected with 13,915 deaths, followed by
Spain, 10,003.
USA,  5,316 total deaths.
In all, at least 52,771 people are known to have died worldwide.

The first death in Italy occurred on the 22-February
9-March lockdown orders extended to the whole of Italy.

2,977 died in 9/11
2,403 died at Pearl Harbour in 1841

US entering a critical 14-day period  and between this thread and the previous one, over 100 pages have been spent bitchin' about Dems and Republicans preaching their virtues. Nice one.

Okay, so I only just noticed individual posts in each topic are numbered as well.  I took a look at your post, and to me it seems like that no matter what, it is almost always the case that some liberal on here starts bashing  Trump for no apparrent reason.  Trump is almost always brought up by a liberal to bash, creating the situation where conservatives need to then defend. 

Even the more jovial "What Will You Do During the Plague Year?" topic, Fabberyman couldn't help himself and needed to add an anti-Trump post on the first page.  It seems to me, it is the liberals here who cant control themselves when it comes to discussing Trump. 

[Alan Klein]

Trump's last few televised updates have seen him standing shoulder to shoulder with others: solidarity or stupidity?

What ever happened to social distancing?

Your picky comment is typical from those who will find everything he does as wrong.  What confidence and hope would a president inspire if he was hiding in his basement like Biden?

[JoeKitchen]

Georgia Governor, Brian Kemp.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/georgia-governor-admits-he-just-learned-asymptomatic-people-can-spread-covid-19-81570885546

That has been known for a while now; I believe I heard this in February.  Perhaps the voters will solve this problem and not re-elect him.  But blaming Trump for him not know something that was reported on constantly is a stretch. 

[JoeKitchen]

Trump was indeed promoting any argument supporting his theory that the covid19 was not a big deal.

Had he come accross an article claiming that masturbation helped he would have promoted that.

Cheers,
Bernard

Yep, he was promoting all those crazy arguments from medical doctors that just so happens to look like were correct.   

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Another liberal madness:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/malibu-paddleboarder-arrested-for-violating-stay-at-home-order

Who was he going to infect? Sharks?

On the other hand, interactions with multiple police were much more dangerous.

[Craig Lamson]

Don't know what you watch, but I saw him right there in one of his campaigns surrounded by his sheep saying exactly that. How can you even defend this guy when he's right there on video with his lips flapping and getting cheers from his sheep.

And you failed to listen, then didn’t you.  He did not call the virus a hoax, he call the Dems attempt to polities the hoax.  sheesh you guys with TDS are something.


Trump:
“ Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right?” he said. “Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.”

Then the president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation as a hoax, continued, “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”

[Craig Lamson]

Clear to most scientists, cloudy to most politicians.

Yea and a good part of the scientists got it wrong too.

[faberryman]

The fact is, he took actions, some drastic actions, which you are insisting he did not.

Something about a barn door is rattling around in my mind.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/after-mocking-trump-promoting-hydroxychloroquine-media-acknowleges-might-treat-coronavirus

"After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus"

[Alan Klein]

Navy relieves captain who raised alarm about coronavirus outbreak on aircraft carrier

NBC? 

Crozier raised the alarm this week, sending a strongly worded letter to Navy leadership that detailed his concerns about the spread of the virus on the ship. The letter leaked to the media and generated a series of headlines.

Speaking at a news conference Thursday evening, Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Crozier was removed from his post because he sent the letter over "non-secure unclassified email" to a "broad array of people" rather than up the chain of command.

The navy has stated he broke the chain of command, as I said.  People are demoted for less serious infractions when breaking the chain of command. 

The US Navy is probably the most traditional of all the branches. Captains go down with their ship.  You don't embarrass your commander or the navy by sending out emails to 20-30 people to cover your ass and make it seem like others weren't doing their job.  He should have made a private phone call to his commander or written just him to ask for help and given them an opportunity to help fix the problem or he should have fixed it himself. As a Captain, one grade below an Admiral, and commander of one of America's largest fighting ships with 5000 men and officers, you expect more.  The Secretary lost confidence in his ability to command such a large vessel and relieved him.

[Craig Lamson]

No one is quarantined. People can go out for shopping or excersise.

In Canada, if you returned from foreign soil, you were quaranteened...no shopping, no friends, no going out your door. And guess what, no gun fights as a result...

By what law could the US force it’s returning Citizen to be be quarantined without their permission? 

[LesPalenik]

By what law could the US force it’s returning Citizen to be be quarantined without their permission?

If there is no such law, they should make one. Quarantine them in some shelter or at home.

[Craig Lamson]

It would amaze you how much people would fall in line if they would get the straight goods and repeatably getting the straight goods. It's when they get lied to over and over that things go wrong.

What a steaming pile.  We still can’t get people to “fall in line”.  They get the strait goods every day at the press conference. Every day.  Nothing has been withheld from the American people.  Unless you think Fauci and company are lying. 

[BernardLanguillier]

The fact is, he took actions, some drastic actions, which you are insisting he did not. 

France was hit before we were, so they were forced to take actions prior to us.  Would I have liked Trump to do so earlier, maybe.  Do I think the country would have listened earlier, no.  But that is not the point.  He did take some very serious actions and has continued to evolve as more data has come in. 

On top of that, we have a federal form of government, and Trump can not legally shut down the country.  Only governors can do that.  Holding him responsible for actions of the governor's shows a complete lack of knowledge on USA civics.

There is no clear data supporting the theory that the US was hit later than France.

Only the measures to test patients started later on a large scale. The incredibly fast pace of increase is simply because the epidemic was already there.

So the very fact that you think the US was hit later is the result of the late reaction by your President who has done everything he could to minimize the reality of the crisis.

Japan was hit way before France but the numbers are super low because they never tested anyone.

Cheers,
Bernard