COVID-19 updates

[armand]

That’s rich coming from you, who has used veiled political references for post after  post.  Take a good hard look in the mirror dude before you start calling people zealots.  Your hypocrisy is simply stunning.

Just go away or talk about the actual epidemics, will you? This a total waste. All my “political” comments are in the Covid topics and regarding how the response was, and that was based on factual data of which I had knowledge; find other political comments from me elsewhere in this forum. You are blinded by your prejudice.

[armand]

When you don't learn from history you are bound to repeat it: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-17/europe-s-doctors-getting-sick-like-in-wuhan-chinese-doctors-say

[LesPalenik]

If it's 45 days, I'd be ecstatic. I'm thinking we hit the peak sometime this summer.

The infection rates and deaths are still going up, and the curves are steepening. It won't get much better in 2 weeks, but giving up early and letting it run its natural course could be even worse.

[KLaban]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere?

"Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.

Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients."

Favipiravir

[rabanito]

Okay.   

And if you are not trying to make something of this, why post it?  Really, what is your point here?  Like I said, I dont see anything wrong with asking this, might as well try.  But I dont think it would have anything to do with him implying that the USA should only have access to this technology.

As I can see you are a customer of this coffee corner. As such you surely be well aware of the numerous pointless discussions in it, over different subjects.
I got that info from the European press, especially the German but not only.

Since we're talking here of Covid and the subject was never touched, I threw it in.
As a result Alan Goldhammer wrote that it was fake news.
It could be that other people had some to say as well.
Maybe he's right, maybe he's not but in the era of tweetting and infotainment it is difficult to discern.
I take his info seriously and put it in the scales, trying to form an opinion
Maybe you call this "a point"?

[Manoli]

Not sure if this has been reported elsewhere? ...

Yes, Keith I've seen and heard of this and other advances most notably from Germany. I'd hope that Alan Goldhammer could give us input.

ITM.
'track & trace' mainly from mobile phone records, seeks to identify and isolate any who may have had contact. So far the most successful method of minimising contagion.

“Contact tracing is also very influential in epidemic control, as is case isolation,”

Europe is now the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic. Case counts and deaths are soaring in Italy, Spain, France, and Germany, and many countries have imposed lockdowns and closed borders. Meanwhile, the United States, hampered by a fiasco with delayed and faulty test kits, is just guessing at its COVID-19 burden, though experts believe it is on the same trajectory as countries in Europe.

Behind South Korea's success so far has been the most expansive and well-organized testing program in the world, combined with extensive efforts to isolate infected people and trace and quarantine their contacts. South Korea has tested more than 270,000 people, which amounts to more than 5200 tests per million inhabitants—more than any other country except tiny Bahrain, according to the Worldometer website. The United States has so far carried out 74 tests per 1 million inhabitants, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

South Korea’s success may hold lessons for other countries—and also a warning: Even after driving case numbers down, the country is braced for a resurgence.

[KLaban]

Yes, Keith I've seen and heard of this and other advances most notably from Germany. I'd hope that Alan Goldhammer could give us input...

Apparently Fujifilm shares are on the up.

[Manoli]

self-explanatory:

[JoeKitchen]

Yea we are going to lose the economy, and market share.  That’s the way it works.  I, like most everyone else am going to lose money and maybe even clients.  Thats the price we are going to pay.  I for one don’t want to see this thing kill anyone, not me, not my wife, not my parents, not my brothers and sisters....no one.  I really hope you and everyone will do what’s necessary to try and keep people alive. 

Two or three weeks are not going to do it.  45 days minimum. There is a pretty good chance you won’t be given an option.  This is going to be ugly Joe, and painful.  I don’t want to go through it, and I now you don’t.  But, there are the cards on the table. We gotta play the hand.

Here’s the problem with “ protecting it old” and business as usual.  It’s gonna kill people.    Parks and forests? You make contact with people who make contact with people who make contact with people and in the end people die.

The cure is going to well and truly suck.  It has cost a lot of us a lot of money already and it’s gonna cost a whole lot more before it ends.  We did’nt ask for this but we have it and that’s just the way it is.

Like I said, I dont see the point to it to a full shut down for 45 days or more.  Two to three weeks to help flatten the curve, then take measures to protect older people, and let others get back to their lives. 

I am being realistic here.  People are going to boil over and start doing this regardless.  Plus we need to develop an heard immunity to this, or it wont matter anyway.  We'll just come out and it will start up again. 

In Philadelphia, the courts have nearly completely shut down and all bail hearings have stopped.  To help keep the jails from overflowing, the police department yesterday announced they will no longer be making arrests for anything but major felonies.  If this is the case, how will they enforce a curfew or anything else.  Are they actually going to arrest someone for breaking a curfew but not for robbing his neighbor?  It just wont happen.  Politically it is a total non-starter. 

We are not China; the military is not going to descend into every town.  Even if this was an option, we are too large a country and our military is far too small to do so. 

[Manoli]

Internet whispers:

Doctors in India having success in treating covid-19 with a combination of Lopinavir, Retonovir,, Oseltamivir, Chlorphenamine.
Research at Erasmus Medical Center [?] claiming to have found an antibody against covid-19
A network of Canadian scientists making excellent progress in covid-19 research
Ditto, a San Diego biotech company working in conjunction w/ Duke University and National University of Singapore

Just whispers, attach importance at your peril.

[Manoli]

Like I said, I dont see the point to it to a full shut down for 45 days or more. 

See post #385 : how South Korea has manged it so far.
There's no magic quick-fix: It's 'track, trace and isolate'.

[JoeKitchen]

See post #385 : how South Korea has manged it so far.
There's no magic quick-fix: It's 'track, trace and isolate'.

South Korea ain't the USA.  We have defiance in our hearts for authority.  I'd be surprised if overall Americans listened to government here when people dont seem to be dropping like flies. 

[Manoli]

South Korea ain't the USA.  We have defiance in our heart for authority.  I'd be surprised if overall Americans listened to government here when people dont seem to be dropping like flies. 

Wait until they do ?
Unless I'm mistaken Califormia & NYC are already in lockdown.
Obviously, those in rural, less populated areas, are less at risk than those in the densely populated cities.

[chez]

South Korea ain't the USA.  We have defiance in our heart for authority.  I'd be surprised if overall Americans listened to government here when people dont seem to be dropping like flies.

Once you are in the dropping like flies mode...you can kiss your ass good bye. These measures are to stop from getting there. Ain't that hard to understand this.

[armand]

Internet whispers:

Doctors in India having success in treating covid-19 with a combination of Lopinavir, Retonovir,, Oseltamivir, Chlorphenamine.
Research at Erasmus Medical Center [?] claiming to have found an antibody against covid-19
A network of Canadian scientists making excellent progress in covid-19 research
Ditto, a San Diego biotech company working in conjunction w/ Duke University and National University of Singapore

Just whispers, attach importance at your peril.

There are some concerns that with the first 2 you might drive the body into immune reconstitution syndrome, basically the immune system goes into overdrive and starts killing friend and foe. Exaggerated immune response seems to be part of the pathology COVID-19.

Once you are in the dropping like flies mode...you can kiss your ass good bye. These measures are to stop from getting there. Ain't that hard to understand this.

But it is, proof is current behavior. I do get it it's tough for some people without some science/medical training to fully understand why they have to give up their current way of living when people around them seems fine. Part of that is the assault on expert opinion and how anybody with internet thinks they know better.

[JoeKitchen]

Wait until they do ?
Unless I'm mistaken Califormia & NYC are already in lockdown.
Obviously, those in rural, less populated areas, are less at risk than those in the densely populated cities.

If/when it happens, things will change.  If it does not, the way I described it is how it will proceed. 

FYI, as much as Bill DeBlasio would like to live his wet dream as an authoritarian, NYC is not locked down.  De Blasio would need state approval, and Cuomo, who hates De Blasio, already shut down that idea.  And plus I dont plan on taking him seriously when he cant even follow his own orders.  The day after he put in place a mandatory closure of gyms, he forced his to open so he could get his morning work out in.  His excuse?  I need to stay mentally fit to make the decisions for the city.  LOL.   

[William Walker]

Okay, this really is getting stupid.  All of the golf courses here are shutting down.  Seriously? 

I cant think of an activity that keeps you away from large groups in a more open space then golf.  I mean I can understand locker rooms and club houses being an issue, but to shut down the courses?  What's next, a ban on fishing?

It's funny, someone - it could have been Dr Fauci - said that what happens in situations like this, is that folks always say at the beginning, the government is doing too much and at the end of it they say the government did not do enough....

[JoeKitchen]

It's funny, someone - it could have been Dr Fauci - said that what happens in situations like this, is that folks always say at the beginning, the government is doing too much and at the end of it they say the government did not do enough....

Give me a break Will. 

Like I said before, stores, gyms, etc., I can see those.  Very large outdoor parks and forests?  It's an over reach. 

[armand]

South Korea ain't the USA.  We have defiance in our hearts for authority.  I'd be surprised if overall Americans listened to government here when people dont seem to be dropping like flies.

The civic duty in Japan and South Korea is likely far higher than US, and most countries for that matter.

It's funny, someone - it could have been Dr Fauci - said that what happens in situations like this, is that folks always say at the beginning, the government is doing too much and at the end of it they say the government did not do enough....

Yep. The initial response looks alarmist and but in retrospect it was not enough.

[William Walker]

Give me a break Will. 

Like I said before, stores, gyms, etc., I can see those.  Very large outdoor parks and forests?  It's an over reach.

Time will tell...