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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2014, 03:36:52 pm »

I think Blackmagic are using a sensor from the same family.

Yes, I heard that too. Here's to hoping that the files that'll come out of the new S will have outstanding colour and IQ!
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2014, 03:59:33 pm »

I'm wondering, can one block certain posts by particular users on this forum? Is it possible?
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2014, 04:01:33 pm »

ΟΤΟΗ... one may find it sensible that they started developing the sensor as an MF one... and just cropped it down to be used on an their FF camera... At least that's what they did with the CCD sensor used with the M9.... they cropped it down from an MF sensor keeping MF qualities into it (the only ones that did).  ;) Look, Leica is NOT Nikon or Canon or P1 or Hasselblad... they are THE CREATORS of photography and they know it... The only thing they have to do is TO respect themselves, they'll never drop to a level as to explain their decisions... they just know what they are doing much better than any other... That's why they've survived Japan some 60 years ago, they've survived China or Thailand 10-20 years ago... and that's why they bought Sinar (losing money)! They just know more of photography and photographer's needs than others...  ;) Simple as that!  ;D

I think in this case it was the other way around; they needed a manufacturer that could make them a custom designed sensor in relatively low quantities for the M. Leica needed a sensor that could deal (as good as possible) with the steep angle of light coming out of the M lenses with special on sensor microlenses.

It would be quite something if Leica/Cmosis could come up with a 'better' sensor (think DXO mark ratings et al) than the Sony sensor that other MF camera makers chose, given the likely huge difference in R&D budgets. Of course a smaller R&D budget does not automatically mean worse IQ.

Anyway, maybe in a year the S sells like hot cakes because lots of photographers get fed up with 'the unified look' that comes out of all the Sony sensor-based cameras.
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2014, 04:08:07 pm »

I'm wondering, can one block certain posts by particular users on this forum? Is it possible?

Yes, there is an ignore feature. I think Eric Hiss can tell you how it works.

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2014, 04:19:31 pm »

Yes, there is an ignore feature. I think Eric Hiss can tell you how it works.

Edmund
Is there? More details please.
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2014, 04:50:16 pm »

I think in this case it was the other way around; they needed a manufacturer that could make them a custom designed sensor in relatively low quantities for the M. Leica needed a sensor that could deal (as good as possible) with the steep angle of light coming out of the M lenses with special on sensor microlenses.

It would be quite something if Leica/Cmosis could come up with a 'better' sensor (think DXO mark ratings et al) than the Sony sensor that other MF camera makers chose, given the likely huge difference in R&D budgets. Of course a smaller R&D budget does not automatically mean worse IQ.

Anyway, maybe in a year the S sells like hot cakes because lots of photographers get fed up with 'the unified look' that comes out of all the Sony sensor-based cameras.
Current S sensors also have "specially designed" micro lenses on them... and S is also a "steep angle" camera (for MF)... I don't think that Leica customers or Leica itself cares much about DXO findings... It didn't seem to affect their sales all that much up to now... neither I believe it will in the future.
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2014, 05:23:29 pm »

Is there? More details please.

Profile>Modify Profile>Personal Message Options.  Ignorelist - on the right-hand side.
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2014, 06:16:40 pm »

Actually, I am very disappointed in the new Leica S as detailed in today's announcement.
As a professional photographer specializing in "fine art", aka landscape, urban decay, abstracts,
I typically make prints that are minimally 20x30 inches and often 40x60 inches.  While 37 MP can
often suffice,  I would prefer 50 - 60 MP (or even higher).  I am disappointed that Leica did not
increase the resolution of the sensor.

Have you considered:
- A Zacuto viewfinder such as this (http://store.zacuto.com/z-finder-pro-3x-for-3-2-screens/)
- Stitching to reach righer resolutions. 50-60 mp is in fact a lowish resolution that is very easy to achieve if you stitch a few frames with a normal or longer than normal lens.

You could use either one of the Leica S, old or new although there are IMHO much cheaper option that are equal or superior.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2014, 06:22:28 pm »

You could use either one of the Leica S or a Nikon D810 with an Otus which is IMHO close or suprerior for a much cheaper price.

Bernard,

Since when does the Leica S take Nikon mount ( or Canon) lenses ? Is there an adapter or have I missed something ?

M
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2014, 06:23:57 pm »

Since when does the Leica S take Nikon mount ( or Canon) lenses ? Is there an adapter or have I missed something ?

It doesn't, both comments apply to the S.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #90 on: September 16, 2014, 06:27:31 pm »

I don't think that Leica customers or Leica itself cares much about DXO findings...

DxOMark thought the M9 sensor was of inferior quality.  It doesn't seem to have affected M9 sales…

That being said, the opinions about the CMOSIS sensor are divided.  A lot of people like the M9 look but do not like the M240 look.

I guess Leica has about another year to get it right...
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2014, 02:06:52 am »

DxOMark thought the M9 sensor was of inferior quality.  It doesn't seem to have affected M9 sales…

That being said, the opinions about the CMOSIS sensor are divided.  A lot of people like the M9 look but do not like the M240 look.

I guess Leica has about another year to get it right...
Maybe that is exactly the reason why they offer two versions of the camera... A CCD one and the new CMOS along it...
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2014, 05:43:05 am »

Profile>Modify Profile>Personal Message Options.  Ignorelist - on the right-hand side.


Brilliant, thanks!
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #93 on: September 17, 2014, 06:20:04 am »

Brilliant, thanks!

that just blocks pm’s not forum posts  :(
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #94 on: September 17, 2014, 07:07:29 am »

that just blocks pm’s not forum posts  :(

oops, apologies -
perhaps slobodan or jjj can answer - if all else fails and as a last resort, the only other solution I can think of is relying on mother nature's auto 'close-the-eye-lids' function ...

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #95 on: September 17, 2014, 07:12:32 am »

Have you considered:
- A Zacuto viewfinder such as this (http://store.zacuto.com/z-finder-pro-3x-for-3-2-screens/)
- Stitching to reach righer resolutions. 50-60 mp is in fact a lowish resolution that is very easy to achieve if you stitch a few frames with a normal or longer than normal lens.

You could use either one of the Leica S, old or new although there are IMHO much cheaper option that are equal or superior.

Cheers,
Bernard


Such as?
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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2014, 07:48:23 am »

that just blocks pm’s not forum posts  :(

PM Eric Hiss, he knows the trick.

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2014, 08:02:48 am »

it works! just had to log out and in. many thanks  ;D

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2014, 08:04:30 am »

The S2(007) is about 4K video.  Pros with video budgets are probably the only ones who can afford this gear anymore.  By incorporating what appear to be really well thought-out pro-grade video features, Leica has acted extremely intelligently.  They satisfy the fat-walleted amateurs to whom price is irrelevant, and give the pro market a reason to look at them.  I think it's impressively foward-thinking.

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Re: The New Leica S (Typ 007) and Leica S-E (Typ 006)
« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2014, 08:17:14 am »

the video is motion jpeg? if you are serious about 4k you are better off not buying the ostrich leather strap for your Leica and buying something from panasonic instead.
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