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Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« on: January 24, 2014, 06:57:36 am »

The Phase One IQ250 is real. That is to say the rumors of announcement are true, but more importantly the IQ250 starts shipping Monday.

1. It ships starting on Monday
2. DT will be doing tech camera tests this coming week
3. It really does look good at ISO6400
4. It's a Sony sensor, Phase One everything else
5. M, H, V, and C mounts available
6. Capture Pilot for iOS7 also coming very soon
7. Live View is available on LCD, 24fps
8. Cost is $34,990 - Upgrades available
9. It does long exposures, really well
10. Same interface/chassis as other IQ2 backs
11. GPS Logging (also coming to IQ260/280)

More details can be found here: Details about Phase One IQ250

Questions?
I'm glad to answer any questions. I've been in Hong Kong all week and have worked with a production IQ250, spoken to the engineers, and played with numerous raw files.

Feature Length Story Coming
I'll also be writing a feature length story for Luminous on the back story of the IQ250, and specifically how they've managed to get such great live view, on the LCD itself, and how they were able to achieve great color using a CMOS sensor.

Free Rental
Digital Transitions will be giving away a free rental of the first IQ250 entering the country (must pickup/return in person to NYC office). Enter on our facebook page.

Other Links
Phase One IQ250 Product Specs
Phase One IQ250 Justine Ungaro Shoot (raw files soon)
Luminous Landscape already.

Quick Tease
Many more images and tests to come. Here is one from our client Justine Ungaro:
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2014, 07:07:41 am »

Well, now we know, and can stop the speculation.

For me, it's all about the S/N at higher ISO. This definitely looks good. A worthy successor to the P30+.

But more importantly, commercial CMOS has finally broken the 36x24 mm barrier. All bets are off now for how big it can get.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2014, 07:08:52 am »

Hi Doug, will C1P 7.3 open the files now or should we wait for a software update?
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 07:11:00 am »

Hi Doug, will C1P 7.3 open the files now or should we wait for a software update?

7.1.6 is the current version and can NOT properly open the IQ250 files.

7.2 is required for proper reading of IQ250 files, and is in final beta at the moment. It should be publicly released next week.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 07:14:03 am »

Doug: how well does this back work with technical cameras?

To be more specific: does it do wide symmetric wide angles like Schneider 35XL better or worse than a IQ160 (or P40+ to take the same sensor size)?

And does the live view work in dimmer conditions, ie if you shoot with your tech cam in dusk, will live view be usable for focusing, or does it require a specific narrow lighting condition to work well as the CCD live view?

I think 44x33mm is a bit too small to make it popular for technical cameras, but it would be great to know if the sensor technology would work for it if/when backs with larger sensor area arrive.
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 07:15:59 am »

lots of videos on the phase website but none of the live view?
economical with the truth or you really can zoom in at 100% on the back of the camera and focus?

edit: live view available on lcd
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 07:17:47 am »

While the ISO capability does look nice indeed, can you comment on low iso quality, this is MF after all, and most importantly how does it compare with CCD.
Do you also have any info on potential future releases of fullframe CMOS backs? 1.3x is probably a good starting point but crop backs are not interesting.
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 07:19:07 am »

lots of videos on the phase website but none of the live view?
economical with the truth or you really can zoom in at 100% on the back of the camera and focus?

edit: live view available on lcd

Absolutely, positively, yes.

It's very good. It's been live for all of 10 minutes and most of the videos would have been produced many weeks ago (due to time for video post production).

I've played with it personally and it is very fast (about 24fps) and very low latency (maybe 1/10th of a second between changing focus and seeing the result).

All a long way of saying yes yes yes.

Also works by USB.

All covered in the section about Live View on IQ250

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 07:19:13 am »

7.1.6 is the current version and can NOT properly open the IQ250 files.

7.2 is required for proper reading of IQ250 files, and is in final beta at the moment. It should be publicly released next week.

Oh, thanks for the correction and the info. Will wait for the update to work on the files you will be posting shortly.
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 07:19:30 am »

Doug,

Thank you for the well-presented news. Hope you sell lots of them.

The part I don't understand is how Phase managed to announce ahead of Hasselblad even though Hassy are partnered with Sony.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2014, 07:21:12 am »

Doug: how well does this back work with technical cameras?

To be more specific: does it do wide symmetric wide angles like Schneider 35XL better or worse than a IQ160 (or P40+ to take the same sensor size)?

And does the live view work in dimmer conditions, ie if you shoot with your tech cam in dusk, will live view be usable for focusing, or does it require a specific narrow lighting condition to work well as the CCD live view?

I think 44x33mm is a bit too small to make it popular for technical cameras, but it would be great to know if the sensor technology would work for it if/when backs with larger sensor area arrive.

This will not be a back you use with Schneider wides. It will be Rodenstock only.

Which Rodenstocks will work wonderfully with what amount of movement is not something I can comment on yet - we're doing more comprehensive testing this coming week so I can give accurate information rather than "so far we've seen".

FYI: We have maybe 1/3rd of our tech camera customers using a less than full frame sensor. If you don't need SUPER wide the size of the sensor on a rangefinder/techcamera is not really that relevant.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 07:22:43 am »

16bits raw file?
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 07:29:20 am »

Doug, would the IQ 140 still remain in the lineup?

Also; you probably can't answer this right now, but is this sensor heading to Leaf too?
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 07:31:53 am »

Doug, would the IQ 140 still remain in the lineup?

Also; you probably can't answer this right now, but is this sensor heading to Leaf too?

Refurbished IQ140 and other IQ1 backs are still available. But no more new IQ140 are being made. The next several months will be the best time there has been to buy an IQ140 as I expect many to upgrade to the IQ250.

There are no Leaf/Credo products in this announcement.

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 07:32:13 am »

See this sites home page for live view quick demo and more.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 07:35:37 am »

FYI: We have maybe 1/3rd of our tech camera customers using a less than full frame sensor. If you don't need SUPER wide the size of the sensor on a rangefinder/techcamera is not really that relevant.

Yeah, you're right, and the Digaron-S range is a bit more interesting with a smaller sensor, as you get some reasonable amount of movement inside that 70mm image circle. If it can do the Digaron-S 28mm it will have pretty good wide coverage.

Many tech users are however already invested in lenses targeting a different sensor size and wide angle capability, and then it may be hard to move down to 44x33.
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2014, 07:37:31 am »

Long exposures on the 250 will they need a dark frame for best results?

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2014, 07:38:03 am »

Refurbished IQ140 and other IQ1 backs are still available. But no more new IQ140 are being made. The next several months will be the best time there has been to buy an IQ140 as I expect many to upgrade to the IQ250.

There are no Leaf/Credo products in this announcement.

Pardon the red wine, I meant the IQ 240.
But yes I agree, now is a good time to buy refurbished IQ 140s.
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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2014, 07:45:22 am »

I don't think there ever was a IQ240. Just the 260 280 and 260 monochrome back.

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Re: Phase One IQ250 - 11 things you need to know and Q&A
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2014, 07:45:44 am »

Pardon the red wine, I meant the IQ 240.
But yes I agree, now is a good time to buy refurbished IQ 140s.

There is no IQ240, never was.

Perhaps now it makes more sense why the IQ140 was not brought into the IQ2 series :).
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