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« Reply #100 on: July 12, 2011, 05:44:15 pm »

Lol. 

I doubt that.  We are waaay too expensive. ;)

I think Microsoft invested in Phase One. They have money and a history of making products which people really like to use :)

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« Reply #101 on: July 12, 2011, 06:00:36 pm »

I think Microsoft invested in Phase One. They have money and a history of making products which people really like to use :)

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Da...., I thought that Apple :-)
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« Reply #102 on: July 12, 2011, 06:10:59 pm »

I think Microsoft invested in Phase One. They have money and a history of making products which people really like to use :)

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Hi Edmund,
It seems to me that Mac has taken the torchlight in making mass products wich people really like to use.  

History is a non-stop turning wheel.

About the Larkis comparaison Nuke-after effects with MF,
Having great or good low-light capabilities is foremost a money saver, specially in commercial where hot lights are invading the setups and numbers can raise rapidly.

Nuke is more than just a luxury after-effect wich only would do all what AE can but integrated in a more pro package. I think it is oversimplified (and guess you did it on purpose).
Nuke is node based, Cineon built, 3D compositing integration is way more advanced and powerfull, supports exr etc etc...and has became the industry standart to the point that there is almost not one movie where Nuke is not involved, and oh yeah, it's not that expensive, so as Red One wich are scandalously cheap for the product-performance and even Arri Alexa keeps reasonable prices for what we are talking about.

Anyway, out of thread, sorry for that.
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« Reply #103 on: July 13, 2011, 05:23:33 am »

Da...., I thought that Apple :-)

Yes, they are also sitting on a pile of cash that is larger than most companies market cap (65Billion USD). The interest on this alone would be enough to buy Hasselblad probably. We could end up with the iBlad...
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« Reply #104 on: July 13, 2011, 05:26:28 am »

Yes, they are also sitting on a pile of cash that is larger than most companies market cap (65Billion USD). The interest on this alone would be enough to buy Hasselblad probably. We could end up with the iBlad...
;D ;D

Perhaps they could do a reverse takeover and we would end up with the Hasselpod?
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« Reply #105 on: July 13, 2011, 05:31:13 pm »

Hi Edmund,
It seems to me that Mac has taken the torchlight in making mass products wich people really like to use.  

History is a non-stop turning wheel.

About the Larkis comparaison Nuke-after effects with MF,
Having great or good low-light capabilities is foremost a money saver, specially in commercial where hot lights are invading the setups and numbers can raise rapidly.

Nuke is more than just a luxury after-effect wich only would do all what AE can but integrated in a more pro package. I think it is oversimplified (and guess you did it on purpose).
Nuke is node based, Cineon built, 3D compositing integration is way more advanced and powerfull, supports exr etc etc...and has became the industry standart to the point that there is almost not one movie where Nuke is not involved, and oh yeah, it's not that expensive, so as Red One wich are scandalously cheap for the product-performance and even Arri Alexa keeps reasonable prices for what we are talking about.

Anyway, out of thread, sorry for that.

Yes, low light is a money saver but at the expense of image quality at the moment. As far as the nuke vs AE comparison, AE also supports EXR and a lot of the stuff AE does, but just like cheaper SLR's the implementation of those features is half assed or slow which makes their use in production (i work in commercials/film vfx) dangerous. Yes come of the consumer grade cameras have a lot of gadgets that do make life easier but many pro's rather have equipment that does less, is a lot more reliable and is focused on a few key functions that work flawlessly. As cool and inexpensive SLR video and low light photography at high ISO is, no serious post production can be done on it if quality is paramount. Perhaps 80% of the market is willing to go for good enough and does not want to spend 500% more money for a 20% improvement, but there are still people out there that turn the extra 20 percent high end gear gives into a final product that looks vastly better when compared to the rest.

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« Reply #106 on: July 13, 2011, 07:09:03 pm »

Yes, low light is a money saver but at the expense of image quality at the moment. As far as the nuke vs AE comparison, AE also supports EXR and a lot of the stuff AE does, but just like cheaper SLR's the implementation of those features is half assed or slow which makes their use in production (i work in commercials/film vfx) dangerous. Yes come of the consumer grade cameras have a lot of gadgets that do make life easier but many pro's rather have equipment that does less, is a lot more reliable and is focused on a few key functions that work flawlessly. As cool and inexpensive SLR video and low light photography at high ISO is, no serious post production can be done on it if quality is paramount. Perhaps 80% of the market is willing to go for good enough and does not want to spend 500% more money for a 20% improvement, but there are still people out there that turn the extra 20 percent high end gear gives into a final product that looks vastly better when compared to the rest.
Larkis,
I agree that the differences between AE and Nuke reside for the most part in the speed and implementation rather than in the real capabilities. A nodal based software anyway appears to me the grail when it comes to have an overview, specially on complex projects, but yes, in absolute AE would do the job in 95% it just would do it the painfull way.

About the MF look and image quality, I don't think anybody would complain about having the maximum possible IQ and larger possible files.
But honestly, it's been years and years now since photographers, MF users, are desperatly asking for serious improvements in usability and costs and if huge steps have been done in the sensors resolution, less moire etc...the story starts to feel like a remake of the same saga and a part from more MP and more consistant files (wich is nice), very little has been done in the other parts. Of course the vendors won't agree with that and could probably display a long list of those miracle improvements.

The thing is that all that turns arround the back, point! and even there we still have to tether. But talking about pro stuff, the bodies are, sorry for this expression, real toys than a serious thing, and it's been like that for ages, and it seems sadly that it will be like that tomorrow.

Talking about prices, even the big boys I know here, with a top carreer and reputation are looking at numbers since the crisis and the echo I have is that the MF brands are becoming more and more a problem than a solution in commercial (I insist in commercial) and people are very aware that the big brands are pushing technology so fast, so good and so close to the needs that the magic IQ at the expense of other parameters becomes very relative. Not everyone is in that case, no, but the tendency is there, no doubt. It's been ages now since I haven't touched a MF camera in a shooting session with a pro (and would like to).

Think that now, most professional have to think also about motion equipment. You just check the price of a 5k Epic, check the price of the latest MF back... and a quick calculation is rapidly done. We are not in 2007 anymore. The game has completly changed, there are new players, very good players, and the technology of the smaller sensors goes faster than ever.

So, if talking about passion, about craft...yes, I follow you and MF is great for that. But we should not ignore that today any commercial pro would make beneficial much more with a 1000 euros Panasonic, actually I've read some of the best Red One pros in France are amazed by this Panasonic they qualified the best bang-for-the-buck, some of those guys are photographers.

IMO, the problem of this segment of the industry is that it is now too conservative, practising an orthodoxy in a world that is changing at the speed of light.
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« Reply #107 on: July 13, 2011, 07:40:15 pm »

Professionals can usually afford lights and those cameras....

Of all professional photographers that I know (fashion, wedding, product advertising, etc) there is not one that shoots medium format, that is the brutal reality.
They still might have a medium format film camera stashed away somewhere because most of them did shoot medium format in the film days.
I am pretty sure that at least half of the people shooting medium format digital now are amateurs like myself... 
And I am sure that a lot of them would prefer better low light capabilities, etc over more megapixels...
Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Ventizz to acquire Hasselblad
« Reply #108 on: July 13, 2011, 08:28:44 pm »

On the other hand, Some guys have too much photographic equipment.

Edmund

Of all professional photographers that I know (fashion, wedding, product advertising, etc) there is not one that shoots medium format, that is the brutal reality.
They still might have a medium format film camera stashed away somewhere because most of them did shoot medium format in the film days.
I am pretty sure that at least half of the people shooting medium format digital now are amateurs like myself... 
And I am sure that a lot of them would prefer better low light capabilities, etc over more megapixels...
Just my 2 cents...
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Re: Ventizz to acquire Hasselblad
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« Reply #110 on: July 13, 2011, 09:22:32 pm »

This is my first post on any discussion forum. I am a fairly experienced photographer, having my photographs first published nearly 50 years ago. I have worked in every popular format. I currently use Canon and Hasselblad equipment, but I have owned a full array of Nikon and many other cameras and lenses over the years.

I have seen that the purchase of Hasselblad by Ventizz has led to discussions about market share, market position, technology leadership, and the like. I am posting the following comments, because I believe that many satisfied Hasselblad customers do not speak up in the forums, because they are just that, satisfied.

I am much more than merely satisfied with Hasselblad. I am delighted with Hasselblad and its customer service. I purchased my first Hasselblad more than 40 years ago. When I moved to digital, I first used Nikon and then switched to Canon, which I continue to use for applications where a faster camera is necessary.

I have owned the H2D, H3D, and now the H4D-60, and quite a few lenses.

I couldn’t be happier with the Hasselblad equipment or the service. The images are, of course, astounding. I have never scientifically or rigorously compared Phase One and Hasselblad images. My purpose in this post is not to say one is better than the other.

I do want to state that I know from first hand long term experience that the Hasselblad equipment, its camera/back/lens integration, its software, and workflow are all astonishingly good. I think True Focus, the HTS 1.5, Series II lenses, iPad/iPhone/iPod applications, are all about as cutting edge as you can get. And now we have all the new features in the latest firmware update.

Hasselblad service is excellent. Just by way of example,  when I call the Hasselblad service facility in New Jersey, I typically can immediately speak directly to a technician and be walked through a firmware update or other support need step by step. I’ve emailed David Grover on more than one occasion to ask about a recommendation or support question, and always received a prompt and informed response. I have emailed a support technician in New Jersey, and in 10 minutes received back a telephone call from the service director, who was at a meeting on the west coast, to tell me the technician was out for the day and asking if he could be of any help.

My primary Hasselblad contact has been Steve Goldsmith at Calumet in Chicago. His knowledge and customer attention are extraordinary. The first time I talked to Steve, he gave me his personal cell phone number in case I needed to reach him after hours. I have emailed him about the status of an order on a Sunday afternoon, not expecting an answer until Monday, only to have him respond Sunday evening from home. You couldn’t find a more professional or knowledgeable camera expert to deal with. I have had him return my voice mail messages on his day off.

More than once I have called Hasselblad in Redmond to check on an upgrade or inquire about a new product, and every time I have been treated as though I were Victor’s nephew.

Based on my personal experience, I don’t know how Hasselblad’s equipment, sales, or service could possibly be any better.
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« Reply #111 on: July 14, 2011, 04:09:43 am »

This is my first post on any discussion forum. I am a fairly experienced photographer, having my photographs first published nearly 50 years ago. I have worked in every popular format. I currently use Canon and Hasselblad equipment, but I have owned a full array of Nikon and many other cameras and lenses over the years.

I have seen that the purchase of Hasselblad by Ventizz has led to discussions about market share, market position, technology leadership, and the like. I am posting the following comments, because I believe that many satisfied Hasselblad customers do not speak up in the forums, because they are just that, satisfied.

I am much more than merely satisfied with Hasselblad. I am delighted with Hasselblad and its customer service. I purchased my first Hasselblad more than 40 years ago. When I moved to digital, I first used Nikon and then switched to Canon, which I continue to use for applications where a faster camera is necessary.

I have owned the H2D, H3D, and now the H4D-60, and quite a few lenses.

I couldn’t be happier with the Hasselblad equipment or the service. The images are, of course, astounding. I have never scientifically or rigorously compared Phase One and Hasselblad images. My purpose in this post is not to say one is better than the other.

I do want to state that I know from first hand long term experience that the Hasselblad equipment, its camera/back/lens integration, its software, and workflow are all astonishingly good. I think True Focus, the HTS 1.5, Series II lenses, iPad/iPhone/iPod applications, are all about as cutting edge as you can get. And now we have all the new features in the latest firmware update.

Hasselblad service is excellent. Just by way of example,  when I call the Hasselblad service facility in New Jersey, I typically can immediately speak directly to a technician and be walked through a firmware update or other support need step by step. I’ve emailed David Grover on more than one occasion to ask about a recommendation or support question, and always received a prompt and informed response. I have emailed a support technician in New Jersey, and in 10 minutes received back a telephone call from the service director, who was at a meeting on the west coast, to tell me the technician was out for the day and asking if he could be of any help.

My primary Hasselblad contact has been Steve Goldsmith at Calumet in Chicago. His knowledge and customer attention are extraordinary. The first time I talked to Steve, he gave me his personal cell phone number in case I needed to reach him after hours. I have emailed him about the status of an order on a Sunday afternoon, not expecting an answer until Monday, only to have him respond Sunday evening from home. You couldn’t find a more professional or knowledgeable camera expert to deal with. I have had him return my voice mail messages on his day off.

More than once I have called Hasselblad in Redmond to check on an upgrade or inquire about a new product, and every time I have been treated as though I were Victor’s nephew.

Based on my personal experience, I don’t know how Hasselblad’s equipment, sales, or service could possibly be any better.


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« Reply #112 on: July 14, 2011, 04:57:00 am »

This is my first post on any discussion forum. I am a fairly experienced photographer, having my photographs first published nearly 50 years ago. I have worked in every popular format. I currently use Canon and Hasselblad equipment, but I have owned a full array of Nikon and many other cameras and lenses over the years.

I have seen that the purchase of Hasselblad by Ventizz has led to discussions about market share, market position, technology leadership, and the like. I am posting the following comments, because I believe that many satisfied Hasselblad customers do not speak up in the forums, because they are just that, satisfied.

I am much more than merely satisfied with Hasselblad. I am delighted with Hasselblad and its customer service. I purchased my first Hasselblad more than 40 years ago. When I moved to digital, I first used Nikon and then switched to Canon, which I continue to use for applications where a faster camera is necessary.

I have owned the H2D, H3D, and now the H4D-60, and quite a few lenses.

I couldn’t be happier with the Hasselblad equipment or the service. The images are, of course, astounding. I have never scientifically or rigorously compared Phase One and Hasselblad images. My purpose in this post is not to say one is better than the other.

I do want to state that I know from first hand long term experience that the Hasselblad equipment, its camera/back/lens integration, its software, and workflow are all astonishingly good. I think True Focus, the HTS 1.5, Series II lenses, iPad/iPhone/iPod applications, are all about as cutting edge as you can get. And now we have all the new features in the latest firmware update.

Hasselblad service is excellent. Just by way of example,  when I call the Hasselblad service facility in New Jersey, I typically can immediately speak directly to a technician and be walked through a firmware update or other support need step by step. I’ve emailed David Grover on more than one occasion to ask about a recommendation or support question, and always received a prompt and informed response. I have emailed a support technician in New Jersey, and in 10 minutes received back a telephone call from the service director, who was at a meeting on the west coast, to tell me the technician was out for the day and asking if he could be of any help.

My primary Hasselblad contact has been Steve Goldsmith at Calumet in Chicago. His knowledge and customer attention are extraordinary. The first time I talked to Steve, he gave me his personal cell phone number in case I needed to reach him after hours. I have emailed him about the status of an order on a Sunday afternoon, not expecting an answer until Monday, only to have him respond Sunday evening from home. You couldn’t find a more professional or knowledgeable camera expert to deal with. I have had him return my voice mail messages on his day off.

More than once I have called Hasselblad in Redmond to check on an upgrade or inquire about a new product, and every time I have been treated as though I were Victor’s nephew.

Based on my personal experience, I don’t know how Hasselblad’s equipment, sales, or service could possibly be any better.


Thanks for your support!

I think it is true to say that there are 100's, if not 1000's of photographers, working and plugging away, who simply do not have the time or inclination to participate in these forums.

I meet them every week and it is not always as "doom and gloom" as some participants would like us to think.

Thanks again!

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« Reply #113 on: July 14, 2011, 05:05:52 am »

Of all professional photographers that I know (fashion, wedding, product advertising, etc) there is not one that shoots medium format, that is the brutal reality.

That's funny, I know a bunch, me included. Of course I also use a 5D mkII, mostly for catalog stuff. If IQ is my main concern though and the assignment allows for it I always reach for my DB. I've also noticed when looking at behind the scenes videos of the top names in fashion they almost all use digital backs. And with good reason too, as the files hold up much better in post when you're doing heavy duty retouching.

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« Reply #114 on: July 14, 2011, 06:22:12 am »

If Hasselblads new owners have any sense they will open up the platform again. I like the camera, when it doesn't lock up, but I've never been so sure about the backs or the software and I'm certainly not going to invest in the system on a whim.

Still seems like a dead end, one way street to me and the need for new investors just makes me think that even more.
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« Reply #115 on: July 14, 2011, 06:32:16 am »

 Have to say, I can't recall any people other than pro photographers wanting to lug around a Hasselblad outfit during the 50s, 60s, 70s and even 80s. Leica was the jewel of choice.

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I have on many occasions. One that stands out occurred in Roturua, NZ. I watched not one, but four Japanese tourists step off a tourbus with Blads on neckstraps. Still gives ne the giggles.
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« Reply #116 on: July 14, 2011, 07:52:32 am »

If Hasselblads new owners have any sense they will open up the platform again. I like the camera, when it doesn't lock up, but I've never been so sure about the backs or the software and I'm certainly not going to invest in the system on a whim.

Still seems like a dead end, one way street to me and the need for new investors just makes me think that even more.

Nobody invests on a "whim".  They talk to a dealer and take a demo, make a decision.
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« Reply #117 on: July 14, 2011, 07:53:25 am »

I think this is an important point.

Most of the photographers I know have never heard of Luminous Landscape or GetDPI, if they do participate it tends to be on lists that are associated with the professional organisations.

It would be a mistake to think of this place as representative of the typical MFD user.

Exactly.  And it is far from being an accurate representation.
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« Reply #118 on: July 14, 2011, 08:07:15 am »

Exactly.  And it is far from being an accurate representation.

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« Reply #119 on: July 14, 2011, 11:47:50 am »

If Hasselblads new owners have any sense they will open up the platform again.

Unlikely I think.  Why would Hasselblad do that?  Leica or Pentax don't do it either.  The main profits would go to Phase One.  What Hasselblad should come up with is a strategy for the existing H1/H2 owners with a Phase One back.  Now that they don't sell CF backs anymore they should come up with an very interesting trade-in/upgrade offer and convert these customers into H4D customers. 
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