Leica's new MF system

[James R Russell]

1600iso will result in a 15MP file.

Lance Schad
Capture Integration - Miami/Atlanta
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So is a CLEAN iso 800 a 30mpx file?

Thx.

JR

[heinrichvoelkel]

I'm wondering where Phase One is heading.

They seem to be all over the place....russian Hartblei lenses for the Phase One camera....65 MP for the top...and now selling Leica S2 as well ....to Wim Wenders (damn I was thinking he is going to shoot his next movie on a 5dMKII)

I dont get it!


@ Lance : If I walk into your shop next summer and I'm a fashion/portraitshooter, what will you sell me? A cheapo MamiyaPhase 30+ or a S2? (Don't get me wrong, just asking/curious)

[Doug Peterson]

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Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer
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[tho_mas]

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Thanks Lance!
That's what I've expected. But... ISO1600 in 15MP are still very good (if the high ISO is really good).
Nevertheless the binning thing /scalable pixelsize and the upgradeable chip are the most interessting news to me personally amongst everything that has been announced the least weeks.

[lance_schad]

Thanks Lance!
That's what I've expected. But... ISO1600 in 15MP are still very good (if the high ISO is really good).
Nevertheless the binning thing /scalebale pixelsize and the upgradeable chip are the most interessting news to me personally amongst everything that has been announced the least weeks.
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I think all of the info that is coming from Phase One is very positive.
Phase One is aligning themselves with existing manufacturers to enhance their existing and or new offerings and combining it with Phase One's  knowledge/intellectual property and value added distribution channels.

Phase One is also not leaving any of their supported platforms (bodies) behind either. With Capture One Pro when released will have their Lens+ technology which does not only correct for CA/Purple Fringing (today), but will do lens geometry as well not just for Phase One/Mamiya lenses, but Hasselblad and Contax lenses as well (from what I understand from what was explained to me this morning)

As far as what system I will sell to you Heinrich if you walk into my office and are a fashion/portraitshooter next summer it will all depend on what is actually available at the time, your budget and what features you will need. So lets cross that bridge when we come to it.

More news out of Photokina cannot come quick enough!!!

Lance Schad
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[Streetshooter]

"Dentists and Outgoing CEO's unite! Come to the front of the line -- do WE have a camera for YOU!"
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Hey, I'm neither of those. Does that mean I can't have one ?  Mind you at the quoted price it's going to be mostly be used to take pictures of Aunt Ethel and the cat by the said Dentist's and CEO's.

It's a pity that it's not going to be priced so that it's within reach of most people that want one. It's the best designed camera I've ever set my eyes on and Leica lenses are just simply the best.

Now if Nikon can make an MX that looks that good things could get really interesting.

[gwhitf]

echo +rental houses
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Do you sometimes get the feeling that we're nearing that time where the business model of still photographers is more like filmmakers? Where nobody owns their own gear -- everything is rented for the job? Maybe we'd each own a 5DII for location scouting and talent casting, but the day before the job, everyone heads to TREC or FotoCare for the real camera?

With depreciation on this stuff so extreme, any BeanCounter would think you were nuts to buy one, especially if you could bill the rental. It's no fun to take a big hit. So buy with extreme care. I'd say, by the time these Leicas are shipping, and the bugs are worked out, we'll be reading about the NEXT photokina. So the day you actually take delivery on the S2, and get it in your hands, the next one will be announced, and your one-day old camera is worth pennies on the dollar, uh, Euro.

These people get their business models from AA and Drugs on the Playground. I recommend to everyone -- revolt against this practice of "announce one year, and ship the next", when the prices are so extreme. It starts with you. Draw up your own official-looking Contract and whip it out right before you sign your name on that check, and let the Contract state that they'll write you a check for the difference in what the camera is actually worth on the street, when the software is right, and the bugs are worked out. And then when they won't, then leave the boxes on the counter, and turn and walk away.

[Raphael]

Do you sometimes get the feeling that we're nearing that time where the business model of still photographers is more like filmmakers? Where nobody owns their own gear -- everything is rented for the job? Maybe we'd each own a 5DII for location scouting and talent casting, but the day before the job, everyone heads to TREC or FotoCare for the real camera?

With depreciation on this stuff so extreme, any BeanCounter would think you were nuts to buy one, especially if you could bill the rental. It's no fun to take a big hit. So buy with extreme care. I'd say, by the time these Leicas are shipping, and the bugs are worked out, we'll be reading about the NEXT photokina. So the day you actually take delivery on the S2, and get it in your hands, the next one will be announced, and your one-day old camera is worth pennies on the dollar, uh, Euro.

These people get their business models from AA and Drugs on the Playground. I recommend to everyone -- revolt against this practice of "announce one year, and ship the next", when the prices are so extreme. It starts with you. Draw up your own official-looking Contract and whip it out right before you sign your name on that check, and let the Contract state that they'll write you a check for the difference in what the camera is actually worth on the street, when the software is right, and the bugs are worked out. And then when they won't, then leave the boxes on the counter, and turn and walk away.
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I second to that, by all means, and today more than ever, 20,000 euros is a lot of dough....

[eronald]

Whenever this thing hits the street, I'll gladly exchange my Mamiya P45+ for one. Good lenses and AF sound like a nice idea.

I don't antcipate that to happen too soon though. In fact, Leaf/Sinar and Hassy might decide that building a similar smaller sensor into their models allows them to break the $10K price barrier. And Sinar has some pretty nice lenses

Edmund

[Anthony R]

Do you sometimes get the feeling that we're nearing that time where the business model of still photographers is more like filmmakers? Where nobody owns their own gear -- everything is rented for the job? Maybe we'd each own a 5DII for location scouting and talent casting, but the day before the job, everyone heads to TREC or FotoCare for the real camera?

With depreciation on this stuff so extreme, any BeanCounter would think you were nuts to buy one, especially if you could bill the rental. It's no fun to take a big hit. So buy with extreme care. I'd say, by the time these Leicas are shipping, and the bugs are worked out, we'll be reading about the NEXT photokina. So the day you actually take delivery on the S2, and get it in your hands, the next one will be announced, and your one-day old camera is worth pennies on the dollar, uh, Euro.

These people get their business models from AA and Drugs on the Playground. I recommend to everyone -- revolt against this practice of "announce one year, and ship the next", when the prices are so extreme. It starts with you. Draw up your own official-looking Contract and whip it out right before you sign your name on that check, and let the Contract state that they'll write you a check for the difference in what the camera is actually worth on the street, when the software is right, and the bugs are worked out. And then when they won't, then leave the boxes on the counter, and turn and walk away.
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Yes. I was speaking a few weeks ago, at a dinner party, with a leasing agent for digital backs in NY and he explained to me that the prices are pretty much made, in his opinion, for the rental houses. They get a bulk discount and very attractive lease terms. This allows them to make their lease payment on each back with only 2 rentals a month or so - everything else is gravy. There is some sort of buy back or embargo period on the resale of those heavily used backs or the option of course to just trade up to the next latest and greatest. I've forgotten the details but basically, DBs priced not to own. And, those landscape shooters (dentists, former dentists, and the like, etc) who never make a dime on their work anyway but don't care because they already have a porsche AND a Harley.

[bcooter]

I think all of the info that is coming from Phase One is very positive.
Phase One is aligning themselves with existing manufacturers to



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lance,

wow.

lots of news.  i didn't think medium format had it in them to make so many changes and deals.

new leicas, medium format backs with 1600 iso, new lenses, variable resolution sensors.  wow.  

then I stop and re read the press releases.

60mpx backs for $45,000 u.s. and the same cell phone lcd.  

1,600 iso but it's only 15mpx.  a 5ds2 has 21mpx at 1600 iso, sells for $3,000 and shoots high def video.  

new medium format lenses but only two with leaf shutters and one made from old russian spy glass.  

a new bigger than 35mm leica but 20.000 euro and we don't know the prices of the lenses yet.  

a strategic alliance with microsoft.  

at least we have value added service.  whew!

so, as much as I hope this all works out for phase, leica, mamiya, bill gates and the ex-soviets, we won't know the real outcome until it is actually used by bill paying photographers.

that is if they have any money left to pay the bills.

wow.


big cooter

[tho_mas]

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That would be very very welcome! Hoefully I will see it tomorrow...

[EricWHiss]

I know when Sinar announced their new offerings people jumped all over poor Thierry for not providing all the details.  

But we have no representative from Leica here to push on....  so come on Leica how can you invite all these people to a big splash photokina presentation and not even give us  some simple facts like the ISO range of the new camera?  Is it that far from being finished?

[Quentin]

http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

They are certainly taking this seriously...

Quentin

[EricWHiss]

http://www.s.leica-camera.com/

They are certainly taking this seriously...

Quentin
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Wow was that video introduction painful to watch.   From the site it appears they are planning to send out a newsletter to anyone that signs up next year..... so probably the camera is a long ways off from being finished, though I'd like to hear otherwise.

[paul_jones]

although i would love a camera like this, i really dont quite know what its for.
i shoot advertsing only, but a lot of variety.
im sure this camera is good for someone, but i find i need two distinct types of cameras- slow, high quality cameras for when you need to do a deliberate studied shot, ie car shooting, complicated comps. these cameras need lots of MP, and theres no worries about shooting to a big screen.
and a waist finder is handy with these.
and then theres a need for a  fast camera, for shooting people, or fast stuff, high iso. good to keep out the dirt, sand and water.

so i have an h1/DB and a 1dsmk3.

but i never find i need something in between.

maybe its a good fashion camera when shooting with flash? but it isnt quite a car, landscape, architecture, sports camera.

who here will really consider buying one? maybe im missing something?

paul

[paulmoorestudio]

although i would love a camera like this, i really dont quite know what its for.
i shoot advertsing only, but a lot of variety.
im sure this camera is good for someone, but i find i need two distinct types of cameras- slow, high quality cameras for when you need to do a deliberate studied shot, ie car shooting, complicated comps. these cameras need lots of MP, and theres no worries about shooting to a big screen.
and a waist finder is handy with these.
and then theres a need for a  fast camera, for shooting people, or fast stuff, high iso. good to keep out the dirt, sand and water.

so i have an h1/DB and a 1dsmk3.

but i never find i need something in between.

maybe its a good fashion camera when shooting with flash? but it isnt quite a car, landscape, architecture, sports camera.

who here will really consider buying one? maybe im missing something?

paul
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I just checked out your very nice website.. seems to me that this S2 camera would do it all for you.. not sure how big your h1 digital back is or really how good this new one is.. .. I am seeing this is a fast small camera with all the quality of my big slow medium format.. I stlll need a view camera so it won't replace my db..but for everything else this would be my ideal goto camera.

[John Camp]

Wow was that video introduction painful to watch.   From the site it appears they are planning to send out a newsletter to anyone that signs up next year..... so probably the camera is a long ways off from being finished, though I'd like to hear otherwise.
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I've been reading a bunch of forums on this camera, and in one of them, there was a link to a magazine that had actually seen the camera, and referred to it as a "working prototype." So it's not far from being done...

JC

[John Camp]

And, those landscape shooters (dentists, former dentists, and the like, etc) who never make a dime on their work anyway but don't care because they already have a porsche AND a Harley.
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No, no, no. It's Porsche and a BMW. It's Corvette and a Harley.

JC

[paul_jones]

I just checked out your very nice website.. seems to me that this S2 camera would do it all for you.. not sure how big your h1 digital back is or really how good this new on is.. .. I am seeing this is a fast small camera with all the quality of my big slow medium format.. I stlll need a view camera so it won't replace my db..but for everything else this would be my ideal goto camera.
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thanks paul. maybe you are right- the "one camera for all" idea.
i only have a leaf with 22mp, so obviously this will blow it away mp wise. but i was planning to get a used p45 asap (unless i get lured into something else).

there are many shots that i just couldnt live with out the canon. i really do need 5fps and i need a camera that has many focus points, and actually has water housings available for it. not to mention f1.2 50 and 85.
if i got a leica, maybe the quality would render the h1 not needed, but definately not the canon.
but i would miss the waist level finder of the h1.

the big thing that im sure this camera would really blow away the canon as far as im concerned is that it should have decent software and tethering. that is by far the worst aspect of the canon, completely crap software. hats off to leica to team up with a proven, professional software company.

paul