National Parks affected by the climate changes

[Alan Klein]

Ever notice that the amateurs who know the least about science have the most disagreement with actual science and scientists. There's a correlation worthy of examination.

Science is full of mistakes, politics, and changing theories.  A person would be foolish to believe things at face value.

[TechTalk]

...and the less they know, the more convinced they are of the virtue of their talking points.

[TechTalk]

According to Al Gore's prognostications from years ago, we all should be dead by now.
Bud

Hyperbole for the purpose of distraction or lack of concern for facts?

[Alan Klein]

...and the less they know, the more convinced they are of the virtue of their talking points.

Most people post articles that just repeat their preconceived beliefs.  They have little original thought. They take what they read for the truth without question.  I'm more impressed with people who think out of the box and can logically refute common beliefs with critical analysis of their own.

[Alan Klein]

Hyperbole for the purpose of distraction or lack of concern for facts?

It was Gore's hyperbole and prediction errors that convinced a generation about global warming and made him a multi-millionaire in the process. He knew it was BS but he was more interested in selling a product to make him rich.

[TechTalk]

Most people post articles that just repeat their preconceived beliefs.  They have little original thought. They take what they read for the truth without question.  I'm more impressed with people who think out of the box and can logically refute common beliefs with critical analysis of their own.

You'd love the Flat Earth crowd then. They can confidently spout BS that almost sounds superficially reasonable; as long as you don't know much about science, don't trust or listen to scientists, or think about it for a moment. You might first want to start with the we've-never-been-to-the-moon crowd as a warmup.

You should go to one of their meetups. Why, they'd welcome you with open arms!

[Alan Klein]

You'd love the Flat Earth crowd then. They can confidently spout BS that almost sounds superficially reasonable; as long as you don't know much about science, don't trust or listen to scientists, or think about it for a moment. You might first want to start with the we've-never-been-to-the-moon crowd as a warmup.

You should go to one of their meetups. Why, they'd welcome you with open arms!

Great entrepeneurs and scientists think out of the box.  They did not take for granted existing theories.  They always questioned them, critically.  Anyone can repeat the thoughts and opinions of others with no question.  Man would be no wheres with that attitude and back in the stone age. 

In any case, it's a matter of degree.  I don't question everything,  just more things than most I suppose.  When you see all the mistakes people make in so many fields, you become attuned to commonplace errors.  You read between the lines.  It becomes intuitive, maybe due to age.  In any case, you're just saying what you're saying for political and competitive reasons.  That's OK.  I get it.

[TechTalk]

Ascribe my motives to whatever makes you feel better. I have firsthand experience in trying to provide you with very simple, basic, and irrefutable information about science and your adamant refusal to acknowledge it.

Praise be to the Heavenly and Omnipotent Cosmic Toad that we don't rely on your reading between the lines and intuition for medical knowledge; or unlike the phony folktales about Al Gore, we really would all be dead by now.

[LesPalenik]

Middle East is experiencing also record temperatures this summer.

Kuwait has now been subjected to extreme summers this year and the weather has even resulted in human endangerment. If scorching heat keeps spiking like this in future days it would be unbearable to survive with this temperature in Kuwait.

The Meteorological Department of Kuwait’s monitoring stations in Jahra city recorded temperatures of 51 degrees Celsius in the shade yesterday. The temperature in Kuwait on Sunday, 5/6/2022, was the highest in the world yesterday.

The weather inside Kuwait City, Nuwaiseeb, and Al-Wafra reached around 49 degrees Celsius. Similar was the climate present near the airport region, according to the Abdali monitoring station. The Arab Regional Weather Center has previously warned that an extremely hot air mass followed by temperatures over 50 degrees Celsius will strike the eastern and northeastern regions of the Arabian Peninsula, including Kuwait.

According to Qatar Meteorology Department some parts of Qatar witnessed very hot temperatures today with Sudanthile recording a maximum of 49 degrees Celsius. Turyana, Mukaynis, Messaid, Mesaimeer, and Qatar University registered 48 degrees Celsius.  The department said in their weather report that tomorrow also will be hot to very hot daytime with blowing dust. It also mentioned that strong wind with poor visibility is expected on Monday.

https://curlytales.com/kuwait-records-highest-temperature-on-earth-at-53-degrees/

[Jonathan Cross]

In any case, it's a matter of degree.  I don't question everything,  just more things than most I suppose.  When you see all the mistakes people make in so many fields, you become attuned to commonplace errors.  You read between the lines.  It becomes intuitive, maybe due to age.  In any case, you're just saying what you're saying for political and competitive reasons.  That's OK.  I get it.

Thank you Alan for this.  It confirms my opinion of you.  You do question a lot, even opinions that have national and international consensus.  That is obviously your nature.  I am now out of this and will leave you alone to your opinions and questioning.

Jonathan

 

[Alan Klein]

Ascribe my motives to whatever makes you feel better. I have firsthand experience in trying to provide you with very simple, basic, and irrefutable information about science and your adamant refusal to acknowledge it.

Praise be to the Heavenly and Omnipotent Cosmic Toad that we don't rely on your reading between the lines and intuition for medical knowledge; or unlike the phony folktales about Al Gore, we really would all be dead by now.

Why ascribe my beliefs to some nefarious objectives? People believe different things and not every idea is set in stone.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing.  But attacking people as is often done on social media just ruins the conversation. 

[Alan Klein]

Thank you Alan for this.  It confirms my opinion of you.  You do question a lot, even opinions that have national and international consensus.  That is obviously your nature.  I am now out of this and will leave you alone to your opinions and questioning.

Jonathan

 

Sorry to see you go, Johnathan.  It was nice having new people adding their thoughts to the conversation.

[Alan Klein]

Middle East is experiencing also record temperatures this summer.

https://curlytales.com/kuwait-records-highest-temperature-on-earth-at-53-degrees/

The temperatures now are not record breaking.,  They have been higher before.  What's interesting is Kuwait is an oil-producing state  So what do you think they're going to do?


Last Saturday (June 2019), Kuwait reportedly recorded the highest temperature on Earth at 63°C under sunlight (and 52.2°C in the shadows). The claim was reported Thursday in Gulf News, which quoted the Al Qabas newspaper, and added that Al Majmaah in Saudi Arabia recorded 55°C. Unless the Kuwait temperature is verified, however, the world record stands at 56.7°C, recorded at Death Valley in Furnace Creek Ranch, California, on July 10, 1913.

The United Nations agency World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has often examined claims of weather and climate records. One temperature claim found invalid was of 58ºC, said to be recorded at El Azizia, Libya, on September 13, 1922. In 2011, an investigation found an error in recording that temperature; in 2012, the WMO declared Death Valley’s 56.7°C as “officially” the highest on record.
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/fact-check-63c-claim-from-kuwait-is-it-really-a-world-record-5779655/

[DavidJ]

Hi Jonathon, good to see your post.

Here is a chart of global temperatures over a longer period for those who are dubious about what recent changes might mean.

[TechTalk]

Why ascribe my beliefs to some nefarious objectives?

I haven't. That's you putting words in my mouth, as you've often done when pretending to reply to myself and others. I don't find turning over your objective reasoning to a reliance on reciting ideological talking points nefarious. I find it sad, as I do the voluntary blindness to any information that conflicts with that. I also find your disingenuous responses and the attention seeking behavior sad, along with the immediate resort to victimhood when criticized.

On the other hand, whatever makes you happy.

[Alan Klein]

Hi Jonathon, good to see your post.

Here is a chart of global temperatures over a longer period for those who are dubious about what recent changes might mean.

So it's increasing.  That doesn't explain what they mean.  When I was working, my bank account increased too.  I thought that was better than it standing still. 

[Alan Klein]

Getting warmer means that populations are expanding and territory not previously occupied because it was too cold are now being filled by expansion of many species into them.  That's good by most standards. 

I live up north in NJ with a bunch of "snow birds", neighbors who vacation in hot Florida every winter.  Warm is good.  I'm jealous because I stay here in cold New Jersey.

[Peter McLennan]

There is no correlation between CO2 levels and global temperatures, in spite of the phenomenon you described. During long periods in the past global temperatures went down while CO2 levels rose and the other way around.

Show us valid, verifiable data proving these assertions and we might take you seriously.

[Frans Waterlander]

Show us valid, verifiable data proving these assertions and we might take you seriously.

There was global cooling in the '40s, '50s, and '60s, even while human greenhouse-gas emissions were rising.

[Alan Klein]

There was global cooling in the '40s, '50s, and '60s, even while human greenhouse-gas emissions were rising.

Scientists were warning of Global Cooling back then.  Newspapers were broadcasting how cold it's going to get - another Ice Age.  Brrrr.