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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2320 on: December 03, 2021, 08:28:49 pm »

You still have not denied my assertion.

I don't really care enough to feel any any obligation or need to deny anything that you may assert and it certainly isn't a priority for me. You can sit on your assertion until I find time to address your concept of "cherry-picking".

In the meantime, you can contemplate what I've already written...

I already supplied, multiple times, the logic and motivation for the initial choice of a single data set which encompassed the entirety of the nearly two years of COVID-19 fatality data which exists and to which I supplied a link. You can find those here, and here (in which I also included flu data for the worst season in a decade, and once again here.

Finally, though I don't care about your presumptions or assertions regarding my motives; I will, in a post to follow, address your assertions regarding "cherry-picking" data and your concept of what that means.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2321 on: December 03, 2021, 09:30:11 pm »

You still have not denied my assertion.
He like many, understand it is pointless. When this is actually done, what often occurs multiple times a day here, it make zero difference to you. Your assertions are rarely factual expect in your head. Facts exist even if you don't like them or can accept them in your head.  ;)

An assertion comes from someone who stands up boldly with a point in opposition to the another, despite having valid evidence to support his statement. It is your daily lack of having valid evidence to support your statements that is so well understood by so many here.

"An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head." -Eric Hoffer

I said he cherry picked it because it made covid look worse.
Simply because, IT IS worse. I know you are purposely trying not to understand this, and you are really struggling with it.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2322 on: December 03, 2021, 10:21:52 pm »

I don't really care enough to feel any any obligation or need to deny anything that you may assert and it certainly isn't a priority for me. You can sit on your assertion until I find time to address your concept of "cherry-picking".

In the meantime, you can contemplate what I've already written...

It appears then that you cherry-picked the data.

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2323 on: December 03, 2021, 10:41:34 pm »

The supply of merry-go-rounds is limitless. But, the operator of the ride always outlasts the riders as they never tire of the repetition.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2324 on: December 04, 2021, 08:02:13 am »

In Canada, thousands of people died in 2021 because of delayed or cancelled medical procedures due to Covid-19. Direct C19 fatalities so far this year were over 25,000, compared with 353,000 in USA. 

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Stats Canada says more than 19-thousand Canadians lost their lives during COVID-19 than would have had the pandemic never happened.

While acknowledging more than 25-thousand people have died as a direct result of contracting the virus, Stats Can notes many others have died due to delayed medical procedures. It also suggests a rise in substance abuse during the pandemic has contributed to a number of deaths.

https://barrie360.com/pandemic-deaths-covid-canada/
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« Reply #2325 on: December 04, 2021, 11:59:04 am »

You win. You can outlast me on this merry-go-round.

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« Reply #2326 on: December 04, 2021, 02:20:27 pm »

You still have not denied my assertion.

He certainly did, but it sailed straight over your head.

It appears then that you cherry-picked the data.

Same problem, and this from the man who can't read a wiki article to save his life.

As always,
read more, post less.
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« Reply #2327 on: December 04, 2021, 02:29:28 pm »

He certainly did, but it sailed straight over your head.

Same problem, and this from the man who can't read a wiki article to save his life.

As always,
read more, post less.

What post did he deny it?  It's not there.

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« Reply #2328 on: December 04, 2021, 03:00:33 pm »

What post did he deny it?  It's not there.
You have this odd habit of asking questions of others, when your posting history and agenda show/prove, you have no desire or ability to accept any answer. No need to ask.
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« Reply #2329 on: December 04, 2021, 03:40:55 pm »

Patients are suing hospitals because doctors won't prescribe ivermectin for Covid. Do these clowns actually think they know better than the doctors what meds they should take? If that's the case, why go to a hospital in the first place. Geez, just stay home and howl at the moon, leave the hospital beds for others.

It's very difficult to remain polite, https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/some-covid-19-patients-want-ivermectin-so-badly-theyre-taking-hospitals-to-court/.

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« Reply #2330 on: December 04, 2021, 04:35:36 pm »

It's because there are fools who will believe misinformation spread online that I'm prompted on occasion to push back on misinformation posted in this little corner of the web. It's sometimes difficult to remain polite given some of the replies that I get in response, but I try as best I'm able.
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« Reply #2331 on: December 04, 2021, 06:14:16 pm »

It's sometimes difficult to remain polite given some of the replies that I get in response, but I try as best I'm able.

The Brits would describe it as 'admirable restraint', as would I.
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« Reply #2332 on: December 04, 2021, 06:31:44 pm »

New stats from '@OurWorldinData' , an Oxford University research group, shows Japan with almost ~80% of its population fully vaccinated, currently running with

~100 cases/day, 1-2 deaths/day, amongst a population of 126 million people,  (vs 100% Delta):
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« Reply #2333 on: December 04, 2021, 10:14:52 pm »

Here is a link to the data on daily confirmed COVID-19 cases in Japan which you posted from Our World in Data.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/japan

I'm posting the link because it's also worth looking at the Log data in addition to the Linear data. The linear data shows the increase or decrease by daily volume of cases. The log data shows the rate of change in daily cases with each horizontal line in the graph representing a 10x increase or decrease. The rate of change indicated by the log graph is valuable to see the exponential increase or decrease in new cases over time. In the simplest terms, the linear graph shows the amount of growth and the log graph the rate of growth.

Using the link also allows you to select different countries and compare data.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2334 on: December 04, 2021, 10:17:34 pm »

Our World in Data has a great deal of well organized data and is worth exploring.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2335 on: December 05, 2021, 04:50:09 pm »

And the country's average IQ continues its upward trend as unvaccinated Trumpists continue to drop like flies. I know I shouldn't make light of this; after all, stupidity should not carry a death sentence, but still......

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2336 on: December 05, 2021, 05:04:57 pm »

And the country's average IQ continues its upward trend as unvaccinated Trumpists continue to drop like flies. I know I shouldn't make light of this; after all, stupidity should not carry a death sentence, but still......

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate


They're definitely the deplorables.

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« Reply #2337 on: December 05, 2021, 05:21:22 pm »

They're definitely the deplorables.
Less and less each day (since you didn't read the best bits):
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A new NPR analysis reveals that since May of this year, people living in counties that voted for Donald Trump have been almost three times as likely to die from Covid-19 than those living in counties that Joe Biden won.
NPR published its findings on Sunday after examining the number of deaths per 100,000 people across nearly 3,000 U.S. counties since May 2021, when vaccines became widely available. They found a disturbing trend: counties that voted for Trump with a 60 percent or more majority had 2.7 times the death rates as counties that Biden won. This data can partially be explained by another troubling finding: higher margins of victory for Trump correlated with lower vaccination rates. Even when controlling for age, a risk factor for dying of Covid, Trump county residents were still more likely to die of the virus than residents of Biden-supporting counties.
+1 for evolution!
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« Reply #2338 on: December 05, 2021, 05:31:03 pm »

And the country's average IQ continues its upward trend as unvaccinated Trumpists continue to drop like flies. I know I shouldn't make light of this; after all, stupidity should not carry a death sentence, but still......

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

Thanks for the link to the article. For those that haven't or will not read it, here's a graphic that is informative.

https:///www.npr.org/graphics/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate
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« Reply #2339 on: December 05, 2021, 05:37:24 pm »

They're definitely the deplorables.

If they want to kill themselves, OK. When their actions kill others, then "deplorable" is too gentle a description.
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