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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2220 on: November 24, 2021, 03:18:59 pm »


What on earth prompted you to assume that? The statistics from the CDC are all listed as being for the same time period of 2020/2021. Where did you come up with your conclusion?

You must know by now Joe assumes everything without any real proof of anything. Joe's conclusions ( wrong as they may be ) always slant towards his obscured view of things.
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« Reply #2221 on: November 24, 2021, 04:19:02 pm »

You must know by now Joe assumes everything without any real proof of anything. Joe's conclusions ( wrong as they may be ) always slant towards his obscured view of things.
  Your post is just an ad hominem attack.  You provided no meaningful arguments.

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« Reply #2222 on: November 24, 2021, 05:35:59 pm »

  Your post is just an ad hominem attack.  You provided no meaningful arguments.

Calling Danny DeVito short is not ad hominem.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2223 on: November 24, 2021, 05:58:53 pm »

  Your post is just an ad hominem attack.  You provided no meaningful arguments.

Not an attack...just my observation.
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« Reply #2224 on: November 24, 2021, 06:25:46 pm »

Not an attack...just my observation.
You attacked Joe, not his points.

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« Reply #2225 on: November 24, 2021, 07:51:41 pm »

Might I be so bold as to suggest that these bilateral exchanges be moved to private messages.  This is a public forum.  If you are just arguing with one other participant, why inflict these screeds on everyone else who is following this thread?

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« Reply #2226 on: November 24, 2021, 11:21:23 pm »

Since there has been nothing here in a long while having to do with a "Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine," I get some entertainment from watching this "discussion" develop.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2227 on: November 24, 2021, 11:42:26 pm »

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« Reply #2228 on: November 25, 2021, 08:44:19 am »


Wife and I drove from South Dakota to Washington state in August, and back (of course.)  We had planned to spend three days in Idaho but the place was just nuts.  The hospitals were full and having to send people far away.   My wife, a hospital pharmacist, pointed out that if we had a car accident or I fell off a cliff and had to go to the ER there was serious question what the quality of care would be.  So, we left after one day and continued west.  We also didn't want to end up away from home with a breakthrough infection and be stuck for 10 days.

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Maybe I just happen not to see the relevant newscasts but why are these stories about full hospitals not at the top of all media stories? Surely that kind of news has to be in the top 5 most important things that actually affect people's real daily lives. I'd want to know.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2229 on: November 25, 2021, 08:50:31 am »

Scientists warn of new Covid variant with high number of mutations

And it may turn out to be a serious threat.  But, at least for the moment, the hyperventilating news coverage seems to be outrunning the available science.  Type "B.1.1.529" into your favorite search engine and you'll see what I mean.  As of 1300 UTC Thursday, other than the report of the initial genome sequence cited in the Guardian article, you'll turn up a frenzy of what appear to be derivative news stories that appear to be feeding on each other.

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« Reply #2230 on: November 25, 2021, 06:34:00 pm »

And it may turn out to be a serious threat.  But, at least for the moment, the hyperventilating news coverage seems to be outrunning the available science.  Type "B.1.1.529" into your favorite search engine and you'll see what I mean.  As of 1300 UTC Thursday, other than the report of the initial genome sequence cited in the Guardian article, you'll turn up a frenzy of what appear to be derivative news stories that appear to be feeding on each other.

Well, as of 1200hrs tomorrow Friday 26th, UKGOV has now red listed six South African countries. In practical terms, this means that anyone arriving in the UK from said countries will need to prepay and undergo 10 days of 'hotel' quarantine and those that have already entered the country within the last 10 days will, retroactively, be obliged to self-quarantine for 10 days starting tomorrow.

The Brits have, according to the Health Minister on national TV this evening, some 700 passengers a day arriving from South Africa, a number expected to increase over the Christmas holiday period. Obviously, the risk factor could not and should not be ignored. Experience dictates that these seemingly isolated discoveries can soon turn into national disasters. The UK / SPAIN experience of last year being but one example.

The oft repeated and imperative word in the minister's address was 'MAY'. No-one said it was a catastrophy. On a postive note, it should be welcomed that the health authorities are both transparent and co-operative in a free flowing exchange of information.

The post and the news article were but a heads-up.

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As of a few minutes ago, the NYT has also picked up on it.
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A new variant of the coronavirus, whose mutations display a “jump in evolution,” is driving a spike in Covid infections in South Africa.
Thursday, November 25, 2021 5:23 PM EST

So far, 22 positive cases have been identified in South Africa, according to the country’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases. The variant is displaying mutations that might resist neutralization, and scientists are still unclear how effective existing vaccines will be against it...

A new variant of the coronavirus, whose mutations display a “jump in evolution,” is driving a spike in Covid infections in South Africa.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2231 on: November 26, 2021, 07:59:21 am »

According to Worldometer, US deaths are at 798,000+, so will probably reach 800,000 before December 1st.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2232 on: November 26, 2021, 09:38:16 am »

NYT
Friday, November 26, 2021 9:25 AM EST

BREAKING NEWS
Fears over a new variant prompted at least 10 nations to limit travel from African countries, and sent markets around the world tumbling.  Scientists are still unclear on how effective vaccines will be against the new variant flagged by a team in South Africa, which displays mutations that might resist neutralization.

BREAKING NEWS: Fears over a new variant ...


And now add the USA to the list .
United States will place travel restrictions on South Africa and 7 other countries.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2233 on: November 26, 2021, 09:50:02 am »

DOW on the NY Stock Market is down 750 points due to the new variant.


Boeing, airline stocks tumble as new Covid variant spurs travel curbs

The U.K. said it would suspend flights from South Africa and surrounding countries because of the new variant.
The European Commission recommended a pause on travel between the EU and southern Africa.
The latest rules come just as many airlines and aircraft manufacturers like Boeing were upbeat about a rebound in travel demand.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/boeing-airline-stocks-tumble-as-new-covid-variant-spurs-travel-curbs.html

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« Reply #2234 on: November 26, 2021, 04:21:45 pm »

DOW on the NY Stock Market is down 750 points due to the new variant.


Boeing, airline stocks tumble as new Covid variant spurs travel curbs

The U.K. said it would suspend flights from South Africa and surrounding countries because of the new variant.
The European Commission recommended a pause on travel between the EU and southern Africa.
The latest rules come just as many airlines and aircraft manufacturers like Boeing were upbeat about a rebound in travel demand.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/boeing-airline-stocks-tumble-as-new-covid-variant-spurs-travel-curbs.html

All stocks tumbled today. Except Zoom and a few other covid-friendly companies.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2235 on: November 26, 2021, 04:38:42 pm »

Cutting through the fluff, a 6 hour old uopdate on the new variant from one Katelyn Jetalina. Highly recommended.

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/new-concerning-variant-b11529
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« Reply #2236 on: November 26, 2021, 05:03:29 pm »

All stocks tumbled today. Except Zoom and a few other covid-friendly companies.
Dow ended down 905 points or -2 1/2%.  My wife also relented and decided to get the booster shot tomorrow.   :-[

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« Reply #2237 on: November 26, 2021, 05:26:51 pm »

Cutting through the fluff, [an update] on the new variant from one Katelyn Jetalina. Highly recommended.

Indeed: a clear and comprehensive summary of what is known so far.

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. . . we can detect B.1.1.529 on a PCR test. This typically isn’t the case. Usually a swab would have to go to a special lab for genome sequencing to know which variant caused the infection. However, it looks like B.1.1.529 has a special signal like Alpha on the PCR directly. For example, when the PCR is positive it lights up two channels instead of three channels, indicating that it’s B.1.1.529. . . .

Assuming this is verified, it should facilitate rapid data collection on this variant, and greatly accelerate the analysis of how much of a threat it poses and how to deal with it.

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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2238 on: November 26, 2021, 06:20:43 pm »

All stocks tumbled today. Except Zoom and a few other covid-friendly companies.

Hell of a buying opportunity out there.
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Re: Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine
« Reply #2239 on: November 26, 2021, 07:19:21 pm »

Who's going to make new vaccines if you're going to steal their inventions? What a dumb idea.  Photos next?

Biden calls for intellectual property waivers on COVID vaccines
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/26/biden-calls-for-intellectual-property-waivers-covid-vaccines
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