Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[digitaldog]

There is no serious election fraud as has been shown innumerable times. Yet the GOP keeps bleating this crap and all too many people fall for it. And you are one of those people. Why? Have you no self-respect?

No, clearly no.

[digitaldog]

Another way to look at it is:
Some Supreme Court Justices may not be as wise as we thought they were.

Another way to look at it; some don't care about the well being of others, their peers.

[Alan Klein]

There is no serious election fraud as has been shown innumerable times. Yet the GOP keeps bleating this crap and all too many people fall for it. And you are one of those people. Why? Have you no self-respect?

the reason is little election fraud now is because we have rules that it's criminal to do certain things. The Democrats in Congress want to do away with those rules to make finagling legal. That's the problem.

[Peter McLennan]

the reason is little election fraud now is because we have rules that it's criminal to do certain things. The Democrats in Congress want to do away with those rules to make finagling legal. That's the problem.

Hogwash, Alan.  They work to counter the ongoing vote-limiting actions of Republicans.

Please give us some examples of how the Democrats are doing away with rules that currently prevent voter fraud. 

Do you agree that, if there is any voter fraud, it is very likely to occur on both sides of the political spectrum?
Do you agree with your Justice Department, who proclaimed the 2020 election as the "safest in history"?
Do you agree that the extent of voter fraud is vanishingly small? So small as to have precisely zero effect on who got elected?

[digitaldog]

Hogwash, Alan.  They work to counter the ongoing vote-limiting actions of Republicans.

Such facts cannot enter the sphere of his strong conformation bias.
"An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head." -Eric Hoffer 

[Alan Klein]

Hogwash, Alan.  They work to counter the ongoing vote-limiting actions of Republicans.

Does Canada allow non-citizens to vote? No.  Yet in NYC, they're going to allow non-citizens to vote.  This is what the Democrats in Congress want to do across the entire country in all elections, not just local like in NYC - to secure complete power in all future elections. This is why Biden opened up the southern border.  To let in people who will vote for the democrats to secure their power.   You Canadians don't do that so why do you want us to do it? In fact, your rules are more restrictive than what republicans want to do to secure fair elections here.  You require voters to be pre-registered.  The Democrats want open elections where you just show up and vote.  You'll also be able to send ballots in after the election day, everything to finagle the vote. You want America to do what you Canadians won't do.

Noncitizens’ Right to Vote Becomes Law in New York City
Starting next year, 800,000 legal permanent residents will be eligible to vote in municipal elections.
Mayor Eric Adams, setting aside prior misgivings, allowed a bill to become law on Sunday that would grant more than 800,000 noncitizens the right to vote in municipal elections.

“I believe that New Yorkers should have a say in their government, which is why I have and will continue to support this important legislation,” the mayor said in a statement.

“I look forward to bringing millions more into the democratic process,” he added.

The measure applies to legal residents, including those with green cards, and so-called Dreamers who were brought to the country illegally as children but were allowed to remain under a federal program known as DACA. Although the City Council approved the bill last month, New York law provides the mayor the opportunity to veto it within 30 days. Without any action, the bill passes into law automatically, as happened with this measure.

Because of the new law, an estimated 808,000 adults will be eligible to vote beginning Jan. 9, 2023, according to the City Council. They will be able to vote in primary and general elections for citywide contests, like those for mayor and public advocate, as well as in local races, like those for City Council and borough presidents. The law does not allow noncitizens to vote in state or federal elections.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/09/nyregion/noncitizens-nyc-voting-rights.html

Who Can Vote in Canadian Elections?
To vote in a Canadian federal election, you must be a Canadian citizen and be 18 or older on election day.

The names of most eligible voters in Canada will appear on the National Register of Electors. This is a database of basic information drawn from various federal and provincial sources, including the Canada Revenue Agency, provinces' and territories' motor vehicle registries, and the Citizenship and Immigration Canada department.

The National Register of Electors is used to prepare the preliminary list of electors for Canadian federal elections. If you want to vote in Canada and you're not on the list, you have to get on the list or be able to demonstrate your eligibility through other qualifying documentation.
https://www.thoughtco.com/who-can-vote-in-canadian-elections-510183

[Peter McLennan]

Can non-citizens vote in presidential elections?  Or just to elect dogcatchers?

This is why Biden opened up the southern border.  To let in people who will vote for the democrats to secure their power.

You overlooked the term "permanent, legal residents".  Hardly the people at the southern border to which you refer.

What Canadians do or don't do in our elections has little to do with the topic at hand.  Other than the fact that our elections are well-run, and well-attended, voter fraud is negligible and our usually uncontested results are public knowledge within hours.

You know, "democracy".

[Alan Klein]

Can non-citizens vote in presidential elections?  Or just to elect dogcatchers?

You overlooked the term "permanent, legal residents".  Hardly the people at the southern border to which you refer.

Can non-citizens vote in presidential elections?  Or just to elect dogcatchers?

You overlooked the term "permanent, legal residents".  Hardly the people at the southern border to which you refer.

Not yet. But that's what the Democrats will do if they get their way.  Allow them to vote in all state and federal elections. In NYC, it's not just dogcatcher.  That's a distraction and an attempt to minimize the seriousnesss of the issue.  The new rule allows non-citizens to vote for all public offices in NYC including mayor, comptroller, all the city council, judges, district attorneys, etc. 

Meanwhile you avoided my question.  Why do you want America to allow non-citizens to vote and not require stringent applications to register to vote.  Yet, you feel that those rules are required in your country of Canada? 

[Alan Klein]

Can non-citizens vote in presidential elections?  Or just to elect dogcatchers?

You overlooked the term "permanent, legal residents".  Hardly the people at the southern border to which you refer.

What Canadians do or don't do in our elections has little to do with the topic at hand.  Other than the fact that our elections are well-run, and well-attended, voter fraud is negligible and our usually uncontested results are public knowledge within hours.

You know, "democracy".

It does matter what you do and don't do in Canada.  You have stringent rules because you see that having non-citizens vote, even in local elections, is dangerous.  It will encourage office seekers to promise non-citizens benefits that may go against the citizens of your own country.  WHO OWNS THE COUNTRY?  No country turns their country over to foreigners.  You don't. But you think it's good for America.   

[digitaldog]

Can non-citizens vote in presidential elections?  Or just to elect dogcatchers?

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

Who Can Vote?
You can vote in U.S. federal, state, and local elections if you:
    Are a U.S. citizen (some areas allow non-citizens to vote in local elections only)

Once again, we see racial dog whistles and knee jerking sans any attempt to view the facts about voting. Like the nonsense of election fraud posted here with the jerk of a knee. The tiny number of people caught (and in the last election, republicans), it makes zero difference in the outcome.
Engaging trolls who post FUD and misinformation only results in more FUD and misinformation.

[digitaldog]

This will likely only be a shock to one person who posts here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/ny-ag-says-investigation-trump-business-found-significant-evidence-sug-rcna12685  Jan. 19, 2022

NY AG says investigation into Trump and his business found ‘significant evidence’ suggesting fraud
A new court filing says that Trump and two of his children were in charge when misleading financial statements were issued to lenders and the federal government.
New York Attorney General Letitia James disclosed new details Tuesday night about her civil investigation into former President Donald Trump’s business, saying the probe has uncovered evidence suggesting the company put a fraudulent value on multiple assets and misrepresented those values to financial institutions for economic benefit.

Lock her up?

[Peter McLennan]

Not yet. But that's what the Democrats will do if they get their way. 

You have absolutely no knowledge of what "they will do if they get their way".  You are simply fearmongering.

Meanwhile you avoided my question.  Why do you want America to allow non-citizens to vote and not require stringent applications to register to vote.  Yet, you feel that those rules are required in your country of Canada?

I never said that I wanted non-citizens to vote in America.  YOU said that.  Quit attempting to put words in my mouth.  That's a standard rightist trick and it's disreputable, unproductive and the exact opposite of the "reasoned dialogue and debate" that you profess to enjoy.

[Peter McLennan]

Meanwhile you avoided my question.

Meanwhile, you avoided four of my questions.

[Peter McLennan]

It does matter what you do and don't do in Canada.  You have stringent rules because you see that having non-citizens vote, even in local elections, is dangerous.  It will encourage office seekers to promise non-citizens benefits that may go against the citizens of your own country.  WHO OWNS THE COUNTRY?  No country turns their country over to foreigners.  You don't. But you think it's good for America.

Absolutely pathetic, Alan.  And you wonder why we disparage you and your "discussion".  If you keep coming up with rubbish, we'll just hurl it back in your face.

[Robert Roaldi]

another way to look at it is as follows:

Chief justice allows individual decision regarding mask-wearing

If they're not going to wear masks, then they should sit farther apart.

[digitaldog]

Meanwhile, you avoided four of my questions.

"The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite! "-Tennessee Williams

[Alan Klein]

Absolutely pathetic, Alan.  And you wonder why we disparage you and your "discussion".  If you keep coming up with rubbish, we'll just hurl it back in your face.

When Canada changes their rules to open up elections to non-Canadians as the Democrats here intend to do, then we can take your arguments seriously. 

[Alan Klein]

If they're not going to wear masks, then they should sit farther apart.

Here's an update to the original news.

Roberts, Sotomayor and Gorsuch Address Reports of Conflicts Over Masks
In an unusual joint statement on Wednesday, Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Neil M. Gorsuch sought to rebut reports that Justice Gorsuch’s refusal to wear a mask at Supreme Court arguments has created tensions between them.

“Reporting that Justice Sotomayor asked Justice Gorsuch to wear a mask surprised us,” the statement said. “It is false. While we may sometimes disagree about the law, we are warm colleagues and friends.”

A few hours later, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. issued his own statement. “I did not request Justice Gorsuch or any other justice to wear a mask on the bench,” he said.

...All of the justices are fully vaccinated and have received a booster shot, a court spokeswoman has said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/supreme-court-masks.html

[Alan Klein]

Biden greenlights "minor" invasion of Ukraine by Russia.  Also suggested NATO countries aren't in agreement as to what their response should be.  Ukraine is beside themselves with his comment. 

Biden sees Russia moving on Ukraine, sows doubt on Western response
-Biden suggests smaller penalty for 'minor incursion' by Russia
-White House seeks to clarify Biden comments
-U.S. president open to third summit with Putin
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/blinken-says-russian-attack-ukraine-could-come-very-short-notice-2022-01-19/

[Robert Roaldi]

Biden greenlights "minor" invasion of Ukraine by Russia. ...

Really? Biden is "greenlighting" the invasion? Please.