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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12860 on: December 21, 2021, 04:35:34 pm »

J&J and AstraZeneca are essentially the same vaccine. 50,000,000 in the UK received the AstraZeneca vaccine ( a 2-dose course v the single shot of the J&J vaccine) . Of the 50 million around 70 are believed to have died and of those, only 17 died from blood clots arising from the vaccination. In the EU, vaccination was temporarily halted and then resumed but only for those below 60 years of age. It’s reasonably safe to assume that there’s at least another 50,000,000 on top of the UK figure. The US death toll seems to match the UK percentages.

17 dead out of 50 million. and the kink in the armour has probably been discovered:
Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists

The above is but one example in a sea of many why you should be banned - for wilful, deliberate and persistent misinformation. I’ll leave aside your racist tendencies for the moment.

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You need to spend some time with a good dictionary and learn the difference between lying, falsification and misrepresentation, at least as a start.


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Yours are often NOT opinions, but blatant falsifications and obfuscations. Very much a reason why you certainly deserve to be banned.
I reported you to the moderator for calling me a racist.  Shame on you. 

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« Reply #12861 on: December 21, 2021, 04:49:33 pm »

One of the main arguments from the greenies is that renewables save cost for energy.  So now you're admitting that was a lie.  Those were fake facts used to sell renewables. 

Not a lie: "Renewables are now significantly undercutting fossil fuels as the world’s cheapest source of power," according to the World Economic Forum. I do not know what happened in Germany, but I do know that a large chunk of their electricity cost is not related to how the power is produced--in other words, it is not related to wind/solar/coal/gas etc. Rather it is taxes, fees, transmission costs, and other things that would be the same no matter the power source.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12862 on: December 21, 2021, 04:50:58 pm »

When you accused me of racist thoughts...

The fact is you don't feel black people are capable of getting ID's so they can vote, that they're too ignorant and not smart like white people.  You're the one putting down minorities, not me.  I think they're very capable and should be treated like adults which they are while you would treat them like children. That's racist and very demeaning.

I didn't go crying for a moderator, I replied to you directly...

Yeah. I'm not at all interested in your opinion of me or your assigning opinions to me. Ever. And for good reason.

This isn't debate, discussion, or argument. This is just you shoving opinions and words into peoples mouths. You can shove it back where it belongs.

Then again, I'm not here to play martyr and victim roles for attention. Besides, you've posted things to others which were even worse—so I didn't feel all that special.

What a coward you are.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12863 on: December 21, 2021, 04:52:22 pm »

I reported you to the moderator for calling me a racist.
I wonder if Amazon has an option to replace the word "stupid", not that it isn't fitting (Extra, extra large I suspect).  ;D
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12864 on: December 21, 2021, 04:54:42 pm »

Alan, you'd better get used to paying more for things like energy.  It's just a sensible policy if you want a better life for everyone.  The Germans have learned that, and they have arguably a better life than Americans. 

Americans pay some of the lowest prices in the western world for vehicle fuel. Americans also have some of the worst-maintained roads in the western world -- a sure sign of poor governance, formerly the sole province of the third world and TinPot dictatorships. If you want to fix the potholes, you're going to have to pony up. 

Same thing for renewables.  It's gonna cost us all more, even you, but it's worth it.  Just ask the younger generations.
You may not be familiar with US taxes.  But we pay very high taxes in gasoline that are supposed to be used for maintaining the roads.  Much of that money however goes for redistribution.  It pays for other social benefits.  There also a joke, mainly true,  that the George Washington Bridge joining New Jersey and New York State has been paid for 50 times with the tolls it's collected since it was built. It now costs $14 to drive a car into NYC.  $0 when you drive from NYC to NJ.  I guess they want people to leave and never come back.  :) 

Again, much of this money goes to social welfare. Unfortunately, my government wastes enormous amounts of money.  Actually, the roads aren't that bad. Sure there are potholes, worse in snow areas in the north. And in heavily congested municipal areas like NYC.   Roads are better in the warmer south and even in northern suburban areas.  There are also variables depending on which of the 50 states you live in as much of the cost for road repair is paid by the states, not the federal government.   

Vehicle fuel may be cheaper here.  But we drive more than in let's say Europe due to longer distances and suburban living. So total costs per year are about the same.  By the way, Canadian gasoline costs are a little more expensive than America's but a lot less than Europe's too.  I believe you have longer driving distances like us. 

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« Reply #12865 on: December 21, 2021, 04:59:32 pm »

Not a lie: "Renewables are now significantly undercutting fossil fuels as the world’s cheapest source of power," according to the World Economic Forum. I do not know what happened in Germany, but I do know that a large chunk of their electricity cost is not related to how the power is produced--in other words, it is not related to wind/solar/coal/gas etc. Rather it is taxes, fees, transmission costs, and other things that would be the same no matter the power source.
If you only look at the cost for what a solar panel or wind generator produces, the costs are less than fossil.  But there are other factors as I said such as having fossil fuel backup when the sun doesn't shine or the wind blow.  Unfortunately, battery storage has not reached the level required to store enough for these periods at a low enough cost.  So we are stuck with costly backup plants. 

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« Reply #12866 on: December 21, 2021, 05:01:11 pm »

When you accused me of racist thoughts...

I didn't go crying for a moderator, I replied to you directly...

Then again, I'm not here to play martyr and victim roles for attention. Besides, you've posted things to others which were even worse—so I didn't feel all that special.

This is between me and Manoli.  It has nothing to do with you.  Stay out of it. 

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« Reply #12867 on: December 21, 2021, 05:07:39 pm »

But we pay very high taxes in gasoline that are supposed to be used for maintaining the roads.  Much of that money however goes for redistribution.  It pays for other social benefits. 
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Are such taxes diverted away from just road maintenance, yes. Social benefits; do tell, be specific, provide outside references. You must consider Mass Transit a social benefit. Because you have that big Lincoln.
And be clear as to which so called social benefits in your state, you don't access from any tax.
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« Reply #12868 on: December 21, 2021, 05:10:32 pm »

This is between me and Manoli.  It has nothing to do with you.  Stay out of it.

No. I don't think I will. But, thanks anyway.
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« Reply #12869 on: December 21, 2021, 05:11:42 pm »

Here are some articles...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/10/is-germany-making-too-much-renewable-energy/

From Foreign Policy link above:

"Battery technology has advanced vastly in recent years and already contributes to the short-term reliability of Germany’s grid. California has gone further, though: Utility battery developers have actually undercut the prices of gas companies to provide back-up capacity to the state’s energy system. California energy authorities expect that storage coupled with deft energy management and renewables will replace natural gas and coal-fired generations across the American West."
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #12870 on: December 21, 2021, 05:15:48 pm »

A great resource for energy storage information is Energy Storage News.

https://www.energy-storage.news/market-segments/grid-scale/
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« Reply #12871 on: December 21, 2021, 05:22:40 pm »

But we pay very high taxes in gasoline 

You do not.  You might want to believe that, but you're either ignorant of the facts or intentionally fooling yourself. 

Before Covid, I used to cross the border frequently to pick up mail and my online shopping and, yes, to fill up my tank. It was at least a third less than what I paid in Canada. My vehicle has a huge tank and the savings were significant. (I felt very slight guilt.) One day I asked the fuel delivery truck driver at the USA station where my tank of cheap diesel actually came from.  "Edmonton" was his reply.  The difference in price was tax. Tax that you don't pay, but that the rest of the world does.  If your fuel taxes aren't being used to repair the roads as they are mandated to do, that's lack of governance. Poor management.

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By the way, Canadian gasoline costs are a little more expensive than America's but a lot less than Europe's too.  I believe you have longer driving distances like us.

Very observant of you. Yes, we are a large country. Please refrain from stating the obvious. It's annoying, unproductive and has precisely zero to do with USA fuel taxes or highway maintenance standards.
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« Reply #12872 on: December 21, 2021, 05:25:06 pm »

This is between me and Manoli.  It has nothing to do with you.  Stay out of it. 

Oh please ! Spare me your sanctimonious posturing. It's well documented - you were encouraged by many to retract and apologise on several occasions - you steadfastly refused to do either and this forum lost valuable contributors as a direct result of your obstinacy.

I'll send you a box of Kleenex.
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« Reply #12873 on: December 21, 2021, 05:26:35 pm »

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« Reply #12874 on: December 21, 2021, 05:34:11 pm »

I didn't argue solar-generated energy cannot be cheaper. It's the cost of fossil generated plants for backup that costs a lot.  In effect, we have double capacities as fossil sits sort of idle. 

Of course, some renewable are extremely expensive such as off-shore wind like they're building now in NYS.  Of course, they'll be overruns in cost as there always are in government projects. Plus they have to build new fossil fuel plants to back up the wind.  That cost was not mentioned by Governor Cuomo when he announced the wind plant project.  Nor did he mention that the cost surcharge that would be included in people's utility bills is hidden in the overall cost per KWH.  There won't be a separate breakout for that surcharge.  That way they can hide it from the public as costs escalate due to green energy production.  The whole thing is a lie.

The fossil peaker plants are old technology. Nowadays, you can cover the peaks more effectively with the power from stand-by batteries.

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Lily D’Ambrosio, Australia’s Minister for Energy, Environment and Climate Change, said in a tweet on Wednesday in Australia, “The Victorian Big Battery is here. It’s the biggest battery in the southern hemisphere — safeguarding our energy supply through hot days, driving down electricity prices and supporting our massive renewable energy build. Victoria, you should be proud.”

She also said, according to a report in the Australian daily newspaper The Age, that 80% of the system’s capacity will be reserved for moments when Victoria’s power supply is under high stress. In those situations, the big battery should be able to power more than 650,000 homes for an hour.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/australia-switches-on-victoria-big-battery-powered-by-tesla-megapacks.html
 
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« Reply #12875 on: December 21, 2021, 05:38:07 pm »

The other major cost is for servicing offshore wind.  Unlike land-based fossil fuel where you can have repairmen stationed at the site or travel there by a service van, offshore requires boats and helicopters to get servicemen out there to maintain the equipment, as well as construct it.  Additionally, their labor rates will be higher because of where they're working and the additional dangers involved.  How much does a helicopter pilot get nowadays?

The repairmen like those helicopter and boat sea trips. Especially on nice summer days.
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« Reply #12876 on: December 21, 2021, 06:51:16 pm »

More anti-Trump delirium syndrome. Please. If we're closer to less democracy it's because Democrats favor more government power and control and redistribution of wealth which is antithetical to democracy and liberty.

More denial.

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« Reply #12877 on: December 21, 2021, 06:56:20 pm »

One of the most interesting grid/utility scale energy storage technologies that I've been following is Cryogenic Liquid Air Energy Storage. Highview Power has developed this technology and has built a full scale operating demonstration system in the UK. They have plans for additional energy storage plants in the UK, United States, Latin America, and Spain.

What's interesting about this is that it uses the well known mature technology and process of gas liquefaction, that is used for storing liquified natural gas for example, along with off the shelf industrial components and ties them together in a clever way to store and produce energy using large tanks and turbines. It does this relatively cheaply and the price decreases with scale. It is also easily scalable by adding more storage tanks for energy or adding turbines for power. Here's a 2-1/2-minute video that explains the process...

https://www.youtube.com/Highview Power Cryogenic Energy Storage System - Trailer

They have attracted investment from Sumitomo Heavy Industries and partnered with MAN Energy Solutions as a supplier of turbomachinery (turbines and compressors).

A couple of longer videos on Liquid Air Energy Storage...

https://www.youtube.com/Liquid Air Batteries. Literally energy from thin air. Seriously

https://www.youtube.com/Portable Liquid Air Power. A new boost for electric vehicles.
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« Reply #12878 on: December 21, 2021, 08:34:08 pm »

Most of the Pacific Northwest is one ginormous battery. It charges during the spring freshet and then discharges all summer as we sell gigawatts to AZ to keep their AC running.  You're welcome.

https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam/BCHydro/customer-portal/documents/corporate/community/columbia-river-operations-summary-fall-2018.pdf
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« Reply #12879 on: December 21, 2021, 08:42:37 pm »

The fossil peaker plants are old technology. Nowadays, you can cover the peaks more effectively with the power from stand-by batteries.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/australia-switches-on-victoria-big-battery-powered-by-tesla-megapacks.html
 
That's a nice start.  But the batteries will only provide power in an emergency to 1/10 the population of the state of Victoria for one hour, or the entire population for 6 minutes.  That might be ok during an emergency power interruption.  But it won't provide the power required to handle the load when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.  That would still require fossil fuel generators to back up renewable generation.  Also, your article didn't mention the cost of the batteries.  How much are they in comparison to a small fossil-fuel generator to back up similar power? 
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