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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #640 on: November 10, 2020, 11:52:53 am »

How is what I am writing derision of half the American people (you need to agree with the other poster about the numbers btw ;))?

You understand that Trumpism has nothing to do with a majority of Trump voters right (whether they voted for Trump of against Biden btw)?

What is referred to as Trumpism has been discussed at length and is pretty much everything about Trump that even his supporters dislike. The constant lies, the sexism, the racism, the unethical sexual behaviours, the rejection of science, the decision making ignoring facts,...

Or are you aligned with him on these also?

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Bernard

You did it again.  You doubled down on implying Trump voters of all sorts of terrible things that aren't true.  Maybe we should be drawn and quartered as the Socialist OEC wants to do.  I think she would send us all away to a gulag.  Or worse. This is what is scary about the left. They could justify eliminating those who think differently then them "for the better good". 
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/aoc-cancel-worked-for-trump-435293

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« Reply #641 on: November 10, 2020, 11:58:50 am »

Turn about is fair play. And I believe Biden's team is concerned about the vaccine being distributed under Trump's plan, and his task force is working on version 2.0.
Then it's fair play for Trump to take credit for where it is now, that a vaccine was developed two to fours years earlier than otherwise, and that the distribution was set up ready to go. Of course, the biased media has lied about this.  Even Pfizer may be in on it releasing the data a week after the election.  Do you think someone in the Biden camp winked and nodded at the Pfizer CEO to hold his news until after the election?

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« Reply #642 on: November 10, 2020, 12:06:46 pm »

Then it's fair play for Trump to take credit for where it is now, that a vaccine was developed two to fours years earlier than otherwise, and that the distribution was set up ready to go. Of course, the biased media has lied about this.  Even Pfizer may be in on it releasing the data a week after the election.  Do you think someone in the Biden camp winked and nodded at the Pfizer CEO to hold his news until after the election?

To credit Trump for the vaccine is bordering on the ridiculous. The world would be a better place if he stuck to playing golf and watching Foxnews. 
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« Reply #643 on: November 10, 2020, 12:08:12 pm »

Easy, but will you accept it?
One example, Trump telling the world, the FREE press was the enemy of the people.
Need a few dozen more? Easy to provide. But again, would you accept them? If you can't accept, the President of the United States telling us the press is the enemy of the people, it's pointless to attempt to provide other as egregious examples.   
Authoritarians want to lock up their opponents;  and where did we hear the chant "Lock them up"?

Calling fake news fake news is not authoritarian, you're just stating a fact. 

Insofar as calling for locking up your opponents, he did not do it.  It's called politics. 
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« Reply #644 on: November 10, 2020, 12:08:20 pm »

Trump has been busy on Twitter this morning:

"Republicans, don’t let Andrew McCabe continue to get away with totally criminal activity. What he did should never be allowed to happen to our Country again. FIGHT FOR JUSTICE!"

McCabe was fired in January 2018 the day before his pension vested. Who says Trump can't hold a grudge?

"Highly Respected Ken Starr: “Pennsylvania’s three-day extension of the mail-in ballot deadline is a Constitutional Travesty.” Legal scholars agree!"

Biden is ahead in Pennsylvania by around 45,000 votes. This tweet relates to approximately 7800 ballots which were received in the three day period following election day. They are not included in the totals reported, and will make no difference in the vote count.

"BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE!"

Sort of vague don't you think.

"WATCH FOR MASSIVE BALLOT COUNTING ABUSE AND, JUST LIKE THE EARLY VACCINE, REMEMBER I TOLD YOU SO!"

We have been watching for a week and haven't seen much if anything.

"WE WILL WIN!"

Trump is in major denial.

"WE ARE MAKING BIG PROGRESS. RESULTS START TO COME IN NEXT WEEK. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

So far, he's got virtually nothing.

"“Only because of President Trump, we are going to have a Vaccine by the end of the year.”  Ronny Jackson, Texas Congressman-Elect"

Ronny Jackson is the idiot White House physician who claimed with a few changes in diet Trump could live until he was 200. He also gave Trump an extra inch in height so he would register below the obese level on his BMI score. Jackson was subsequently nominated by Trump and then withdrawn for the head of the VA. Then he was fired for handing out pills to White House staff. By some miracle he was just elected to the House Of Representatives for a district in Texas.

"“President Trump told us for some time we would be getting a Vaccine by the end of the year and people laughed at him, and here we are with Pfizer getting FDA approval by the end of this month. He was right.” @MariaBartiromo"

This is a tweet of a quote from a Fox News anchor who apparently hasn't gotten the memo.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #645 on: November 10, 2020, 12:11:19 pm »

Maybe we should be drawn and quartered as the Socialist OEC wants to do.

What is the OEC?

Otis Elevator Company? Offshore Energy Center? Oregon Environmental Council?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OEC
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #646 on: November 10, 2020, 12:13:09 pm »

Funny, I don't remember that.

The country felt more unified then ever before in 2008, then Obama 2.0 decided to use identity politics for re-election.  This is what divided the country.  You seriously have to be blind to not see that a guy that broke up the country into nothing but groups (like white vs. blacks vs latinos vs. asians vs. rich vs. poor) and pitted them against each other did not divide the country. 

Obama was not a unifier, just Biden, the proud inventor of Borking, probably his only real accomplishment in his career, wont be either. 
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« Reply #647 on: November 10, 2020, 12:13:55 pm »

Maybe we should be drawn and quartered as the Socialist OEC wants to do.

So who exactly is "Socialist OEC"?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #648 on: November 10, 2020, 12:14:37 pm »

Calling fake news fake news is not authoritarian, you're just stating a fact. 

Insofar as calling for locking up your opponents, he did not do it.  It's called politics.

And statements like this are called ideologically induced historical blindness.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #649 on: November 10, 2020, 12:15:04 pm »

Then it's fair play for Trump to take credit for where it is now, that a vaccine was developed two to fours years earlier than otherwise, and that the distribution was set up ready to go. Of course, the biased media has lied about this.  Even Pfizer may be in on it releasing the data a week after the election.  Do you think someone in the Biden camp winked and nodded at the Pfizer CEO to hold his news until after the election?
Not everything is a political choice or a left conspiracy against poor loser Trump... ( and he just got less votes, it is a simple as that, it is called election)
It takes time to develop a SAFE vaccine.
If anyone gets credit it will be the manufacturer, not Trump or any other person that likes to be credited.
Many governments push the making of a vaccine, because fortunately most of them did not think Covid would go away by itself, miraculously.
Then the vaccin is still in a test fase; better a well tested vaccin than one with bad side effects, maybe even worse than covid.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #650 on: November 10, 2020, 12:15:21 pm »

Then it's fair play for Trump to take credit for where it is now, that a vaccine was developed two to fours years earlier than otherwise, and that the distribution was set up ready to go. Of course, the biased media has lied about this.  Even Pfizer may be in on it releasing the data a week after the election.  Do you think someone in the Biden camp winked and nodded at the Pfizer CEO to hold his news until after the election?

More conspiracy theories. I guess I need to forward this to Alex Jones over at Infowars. It may take a while for him to get to it. He and a few of his friends are currently driving back to NYC from Arizona in some Chrysler minivans in what they are calling the "Stop the Steal Caravan". Perhaps they couldn't afford the flight back, or didn't want to wear masks on the plane, or something.
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« Reply #651 on: November 10, 2020, 12:15:54 pm »

And statements like this are called ideologically induced historical blindness.

So, do you have any real examples? 
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« Reply #652 on: November 10, 2020, 12:18:57 pm »

Then it's fair play for Trump to take credit for where it is now, that a vaccine was developed two to fours years earlier than otherwise, and that the distribution was set up ready to go. Of course, the biased media has lied about this.  Even Pfizer may be in on it releasing the data a week after the election.  Do you think someone in the Biden camp winked and nodded at the Pfizer CEO to hold his news until after the election?

You're at it again.
More conspiracy theories.

In the spirit of the punctilious, let me point out that the the monoclonal antibody drug that Trump claimed so 'miraculously' saved him, Regeneron, was discovered by a Greek-American - the CSO and co-founder of Regeneron (the company) George Yancopoulos. Likewise the CEO and Chairman of Pfizer, Albert Boula - another Greek.

Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin.
I doubt anyone cares, let alone knows, who was the Prime Minister of the day..
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« Reply #653 on: November 10, 2020, 12:19:42 pm »

So who exactly is "Socialist OEC"?

He might have meant OPEC.
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« Reply #654 on: November 10, 2020, 12:27:52 pm »

The country felt more unified then ever before in 2008...

I don't seem to remember the country being united at the end of George W. Bush's term. I think that was the time of the financial collapse and general opposition to the continuing war in Irag. But hey, if you have fond memories, don’t let me burst your bubble.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #655 on: November 10, 2020, 12:28:55 pm »

When the vaccine works, hopefully, Biden and the Democrats will take credit for it and the distribution that Trump set up.  They'll claim they cured the world.  After all, it happened on their watch.
All they need to take credit for, if it works out, is getting stupid Americans to wear a mask when outside, wash their hands, social distance. That's going to HAVE to happen between now and when (IF, big if) 300 million American's all get two shots of the vaccine (so 600 million doses). Thanks to Trump not only making fun of his own CDC guidelines over and over again, he's gone on record against vaccines. Let's see him step up, IF while in office, and get his first dose of the Vaccine to show Americans it's safe and he did such a great job getting it made.
Hold your breath while waiting for that happening Alan.   ;D
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« Reply #656 on: November 10, 2020, 12:29:31 pm »

You know, it really is amazing.  I thought a Trump defeat would break up the Republican party and unify the left.  Well golly, just the opposite happened. 

First, lets state the obvious, Biden is not the winner here.  As my brother (far left wing democratic operative) candidly told me last night, McConnell is the real winner of this race.  I know some of you have high hopes for GA, but no republican has ever lost a run off in GA for any position.  Plus, we only need to win one of the races, and Warnock has now been connected to Fidel Castro, plus he wont answer if he will pack the court.  Schumer is certainly not helping your hopes either. 

So I am predicting McConnell will stay majority leader, and that, along with the now "McConnell Court," will pretty much make Biden completely inert. 

Next, Republicans are fully unified and actually grew some balls, which is what Trump's real legacy will be.  Democrats, though, are now heading into a full out civil war while Pelosi refuses to denounce socialism when asked in press conferences.  It is going to be beautiful to watch.  At least when we went through this 2010, we had Obama to hid the unrest behind.  But this is going to be fully on display. 

And part of the reason is because it is obvious many lefties have been so broken by Trump, they are incapable of being fixed.  Look at Bernard over the past few days.  You would think he would be happy, but no. 

But the real reason the party will not be able to do this is because Biden (the only person who advised against the Bin Ladin raid) is more feckless then Obama.  Truly unifying the country would require Biden to turn to his left flank and tell them to knock it off.  He does not have the balls to do that. 

Division and break down of the Dems, along with McConnell and the court driving them insane, means Republicans have all of the momentum, especially considering our uptick in support from minorities. 
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #657 on: November 10, 2020, 12:31:12 pm »

Calling fake news fake news is not authoritarian, you're just stating a fact. 
Yes, I'm stating facts.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." --Mark Twain
Like Trump's call of massive vote fraud, you too have provided zero proof. Easier to simply stick your head in the sand and call facts "fake news".
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Insofar as calling for locking up your opponents, he did not do it.  It's called politics.
Like so many of Trump's followers, you don't believe his words carry weight when he says something irresponsible; he's just kidding.
Like that  other follower, do look up The Bully Pulpit.   
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« Reply #658 on: November 10, 2020, 12:31:55 pm »

I don't seem to remember the country being united at the end of George W. Bush's term. I think that was the time of the financial collapse and general opposition to the continuing war in Irag.

I was talking specifically about race.  1st quarter of 2009 had the most positive results ever from racial relation surveys.  It steadily dropped after that an took a nose dive in 2012. 

Now, as I stated before, Trump did nothing to improve this, but he was not the cause of it. 
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« Reply #659 on: November 10, 2020, 12:34:52 pm »

So, do you have any real examples?

Every authoritarian regime in modern history starts by whipping up the populace with claims that the press is controlled by [insert relevant targeted group here] and can't be trusted, only the authoritarian can be trusted to tell the truth to the people.

Every authoritarian regime in modern history starts by whipping up the populace with claims that their opponents are criminals and/or treasonous and working against the people's best interest and the authoritarian threatens to lock them away or execute them for their treason.

The purpose of the rhetoric is to provide one or more targets on which to focus the fears, unhappiness, distrust, and concerns of the populace in order to gain power.

Want to borrow some books?
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