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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9080 on: March 16, 2021, 08:07:38 pm »

The details of their investigation should be released as to why the officer felt compelled to shoot to death an unarmed woman.

Given that a violent mob was trying to smash thru the barrier to the house chamber in the U.S. Capitol to get to the representatives that were meeting there; I don't think that he had time to check her for weapons.
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« Reply #9081 on: March 16, 2021, 08:08:28 pm »

Did anyone say there was no violence? 93% of the protests were peaceful and 7% had incidents of violence per the association of major city police chiefs study.

If you'd like to cite your source, it appears to be this...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8740609/Rioting-140-cities-George-Floyds-death-cost-insurance-industry-2-BILLION

Is that your source or do you have another link you can provide?
Yes that's the link.  I usually provide links to extracts I post.  I missed it this time.

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« Reply #9082 on: March 16, 2021, 08:11:18 pm »

That they were protecting "senators and representatives from a violent mob of domestic terrorists"?
Oh please.  Stop acting stupid.  You're not.  They were both just doing their jobs and the perpetrator died.  It happens.   Sorry about that. 

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« Reply #9083 on: March 16, 2021, 08:16:25 pm »

Oh please.  Stop acting stupid. 
Using Trump language for Alan: “Hypocrisye” bigly.
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« Reply #9084 on: March 16, 2021, 08:17:27 pm »

Given that a violent mob was trying to smash thru the barrier to the house chamber in the U.S. Capitol to get to the representatives that were meeting there; I don't think that he had time to check her for weapons.
Police are not supposed to fire into a crowd.  There was no one shooting at the cop.  He wasn't returning fire. 

Why haven't they released the investigation?  It's been more than two months since she was killed.  What did the investigation show? Doesn't her family deserve to know what happened as well as the public?  Are we going to run a country where government police can kill a person at will with no explanation.  And the public does not get an explanation? 

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« Reply #9085 on: March 16, 2021, 08:18:12 pm »

Oh please.  Stop acting stupid.  You're not.  They were both just doing their jobs and the perpetrator died.  It happens.   Sorry about that.

You're right. I'm not stupid enough to entertain a comparison of what occurred in George Floyd's death to what happened at the Capitol. Frankly, I'd have to be idiotic to accept that comparison.

Maybe you could view the videos of those two incidents and let me know if you can find the differences between them.
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« Reply #9086 on: March 16, 2021, 08:19:13 pm »

You're right. I'm not stupid enough to entertain a comparison of what occurred in George Floyd's death to what happened at the Capitol. Frankly, I'd have to be idiotic to accept that comparison.

Maybe you could view the videos of those two incidents and let me know if you can find the differences between them.
Why didn't the cop use tear gas, pepper spray, or a baton?  Was he trained in such situations?  Who was his commander?  What orders did he receive and by whom?

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« Reply #9087 on: March 16, 2021, 08:21:59 pm »

Police are not supposed to fire into a crowd.  There was no one shooting at the cop.  He wasn't returning fire. 

Are you going to continue to humiliate yourself with this nonsensical comparison and utterly absurd minimization? Have you no pride?
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« Reply #9088 on: March 16, 2021, 08:30:40 pm »

Are you going to continue to humiliate yourself with this nonsensical comparison and utterly absurd minimization? Have you no pride?
The answer, after all these months is without a doubt Yes and then No.
This has to be one of the stupidest posters by posting volume.
And he will go on and on and on.
If you guys all just get on his ignore list, he has nothing stupid to reply to.
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« Reply #9089 on: March 16, 2021, 08:39:18 pm »

Are you going to continue to humiliate yourself with this nonsensical comparison and utterly absurd minimization? Have you no pride?
In a free society like ours, it's not up to you to justify what the cop did because you didn't like the perpetrators.  There should be a report that explains the conditions, his orders, his training, who told him to fire, why he didn't take non-lethal action, etc.  Why did other cops hold their fire yet he felt compelled to use deadly force?  How was the woman threatening him?  Who was he? You don't get to kill civilians and not have your name released after two months.  Certainly, there should be a report by now providing these details. Or do you think cops should be allowed to kill people with impunity?    Minimizing the death of this woman as if her life doesn't count and calling me names does you no service. 

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« Reply #9090 on: March 16, 2021, 09:20:37 pm »

In a free society like ours, it's not up to you to justify what the cop did because you didn't like the perpetrators.  There should be a report that explains the conditions, his orders, his training, who told him to fire, why he didn't take non-lethal action, etc.  Why did other cops hold their fire yet he felt compelled to use deadly force?  How was the woman threatening him?  Who was he? You don't get to kill civilians and not have your name released after two months.  Certainly, there should be a report by now providing these details. Or do you think cops should be allowed to kill people with impunity?    Minimizing the death of this woman as if her life doesn't count and calling me names does you no service.

Your comparison of the police actions in George Floyd's death and the death that occurred at the Capitol, as a violent mob tried to break through a security barricade outside of the House of Representatives, is so egregious that it's an insult to my intelligence and anyone else that reads such slop. I'll not waste a single second more discussing this as it is so patently absurd.

"That's the argument the cops are using in the death of George Floyd. They were just doing their job." "Police are not supposed to fire into a crowd.  There was no one shooting at the cop.  He wasn't returning fire." "They were both just doing their jobs and the perpetrator died.  It happens.   Sorry about that."

Your bland description of "a crowd" is not what you had trying to smash their way into the House Chamber — it was a violent mob intent on getting to Members of Congress. The wall of windows and doors the mob was trying to smash thru is directly outside the doors to the House Chamber and is the last physical security barrier protecting it. The woman shot was the first to breach security to the restricted area outside of the doors of the House by climbing thru a smashed out window frame. Any protective service is going to do whatever is required to prevent a violent mob from getting inside the doors to where the people they protect are either sheltering and taking cover or trying to escape — whether it is the Capitol Police or the Secret Service.

You can see a video of what it looks like when a mob isn't trying to smash thru the barrier to the doors of the House Chamber below, above the barrier are the words "Speakers Lobby".

https://history.house.gov/Education/Capitol-Tour/Behind-the-Scenes-Tour

https://www.c-span.org/video/ray-smock-house-speakers-lobby

Your refusal or inability to recognize the imminent danger that existed, at that moment—directly outside the doors to the House, is utter crap. Just like it was when you previously referred to the violent mob storming the Capitol as "over the line"; "trespassing the Capitol"; "trespass and interrupting Congress"; "a bunch of stupid demonstrators armed only with anger"; "But they were basically demonstrating and got unruly."

There is only so much horse sh*t you can expect someone to tolerate. Peddle this garbage to someone else.
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« Reply #9091 on: March 16, 2021, 10:07:11 pm »

The one person shot was a white 35-year-old Air Force veteran.  She was unarmed.  The government has not released the name of the officer who killed her nor any details of their investigation.  ...

Well, they haven't done so yet. I don't find it unusual that investigations take time. What's your hurry?

... Can you imagine if she was an unarmed black woman? ...

I know what you mean. Anti-white racism in the US these days is terrible. Something should be done.
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« Reply #9092 on: March 17, 2021, 02:05:20 am »

The one person shot was a white 35-year-old Air Force veteran... Can you imagine if she was an unarmed black woman?

If she were a black woman, there'd be rioting in the streets.  Don't White Lives Matter?

There does seem to be an undercurrent to this narrative.
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« Reply #9093 on: March 17, 2021, 05:38:55 am »

Police are not supposed to fire into a crowd.  There was no one shooting at the cop.  He wasn't returning fire. 

Why haven't they released the investigation?  It's been more than two months since she was killed.  What did the investigation show? Doesn't her family deserve to know what happened as well as the public?  Are we going to run a country where government police can kill a person at will with no explanation.  And the public does not get an explanation?

The details were released next day, on January 7. She was trying to breach through a smashed window a corridor where the Capitol Police officers were assembled. She seemed like a violent individual - rear-ended three times her former girlfriend's car and subsequently threatened her, so that that person had to apply for a protection order. She wasn't the brightest bulb in the room. Applied for a costly business shark loan and after a few initial payments stopped paying. Going to storm the Capitol seemed an obvious way out from her troubles. She was a white anarchist, so there is no way her family can get $27 million settlement like George Floyd's family.
   
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Videos of the shooting recorded by people at the scene show a woman draped in a Trump flag clambering up a doorway with smashed glass windows in a chaotic confrontation between the Trump-supporting intruders and police in an ornate hallway in the Capitol.

A Capitol Police officer on the other side of the doorway then fires his handgun, and the woman — whose appearance matches that of Babbitt's photos — falls backwards onto the ground, bleeding profusely and visibly in shock. People around her scream and try to tend to her injuries.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/capitol-riot-woman-killed-1.5864915
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« Reply #9094 on: March 17, 2021, 07:02:51 am »

The details were released next day, on January 7. She was trying to breach through a smashed window a corridor where the Capitol Police officers were assembled. She seemed like a violent individual - rear-ended three times her former girlfriend's car and subsequently threatened her, so that that person had to apply for a protection order. She wasn't the brightest bulb in the room. Applied for a costly business shark loan and after a few initial payments stopped paying. Going to storm the Capitol seemed an obvious way out from her troubles. She was a white anarchist, so there is no way her family can get $27 million settlement like George Floyd's family.
   
BTW, eating fatty fish and blueberries is said to be good for preventing declining memory.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/capitol-riot-woman-killed-1.5864915
Your summary of a newspaper article is not an official report. 

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« Reply #9095 on: March 17, 2021, 08:11:21 am »

Your summary of a newspaper article is not an official report.

No, that was not an official report, just my unscholarly commentary. For a more professional description, you can google "Ashli Babbitt January 6".
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« Reply #9096 on: March 17, 2021, 08:50:43 am »

No, that was not an official report, just my unscholarly commentary. For a more professional description, you can google "Ashli Babbitt January 6".
I found this.  All info is being withheld by the government. A civilian was shot by the police and killed.  Yet the officer's name and details are being withheld 2 1/2 months later.  That's wrong.  Speculations and opinions by the media and others are prejudiced. We need an official report.  What is the government covering up?

Capitol riot shooting death shrouded in mystery more than two months later
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/15/ashli-babbitt-capitol-riot-shooting-death-shrouded/

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« Reply #9097 on: March 17, 2021, 08:58:55 am »

Your summary of a newspaper article is not an official report.

If you would like to obtain a copy of the official internal investigative report relating to the incident in which an officer shot and killed Ashli E. Babbitt during Capitol riot, you should write the Capitol Police  and the Department of Justice and request one. If they do not respond, or deny your request, you may need to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Here is a link to the governmental website which explains how to go about it. It is a straightforward process and can be done online.

https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/action/public/request

Let us know when you get a copy.
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« Reply #9098 on: March 17, 2021, 09:00:27 am »

If you would like to obtain a copy of the internal investigative report relating to the incident in which an officer who shot and killed Ashli E. Babbitt at the Capitol, you should write the Capitol Police  and the Department of Justice and request one. If they do not respond, or deny your request, you may need to file a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. Here is a link to the governmental website which explains how to go about it. It is a straightforward process and can be done online.

https://foiaonline.gov/foiaonline/action/public/request

Let us know when you get a copy.
Cute.  This information should be public after 2 1/2 months. 

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« Reply #9099 on: March 17, 2021, 09:08:43 am »

Cute.  This information should be public after 2 1/2 months.

Sometimes you have to press the government to do things. I'd suggest you take the simple expedients of writing the Capitol Police and DOJ, and filing a FOIA request. In the alternative, you can sit on your ass and wait for it to fall in your lap. It's your choice. Complaining about it here on the LuLa Coffee Corner is unlikely to get you any closer to your goal of finding out what happened.

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